The Nizaam-e-Adl Regulation, following the peace agreement in Swat district has been formally signed by President Zardari followed the resolution of Parliament.
Prime Minister Yusuf Raza Gilani speaking on the occasion said the Parliament was taken into confidence in the above matter and added: “We respect the mandate of the provincial government and congratulate the people.” Muttahida Qaumi Movement (MQM) representatives sat on the fence. The Prime Minster at the time of presenting the Regulation before the Parliament said Asfandyar Wali and Maulana Fazl-ur-Rehman had been taken into confidence. Awami National Party (ANP) had protested on tabling of the Regulation 2009 at the Parliament.
Text of Swat Peace Accord:
1- The Sharia law will be imposed in Swat, including the whole Malakand division;
2- The Army will gradually withdraw security forces from the region;
3- The government and the Taliban will exchange prisoners;
4- The Taliban will recognise the writ of the government and they will cooperate with the local police;
5- The Taliban will halt attacks on barber and music shops;
6- The Taliban will not display weapons in public;
7- The Taliban will turn in heavy weapons like rocket launchers and mortars to the government;
8- The Taliban will not operate any training camps;
9- The Taliban will denounce suicide attacks;
10- A ban would be placed on raising private militias;
11- The Taliban will cooperate with the government to vaccinate children against diseases like polio;
12- The Madrassa of Maulana Fazlullah in Imam Dherai would be turned into an Islamic University;
13- Only licensed FM radio stations would be allowed to operate in the region
14- The Taliban will allow women to work without any fear.
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Text of draft Nizam-e-Adl Regulation 2009
Regulation to provide for Nifaz-e-Nizam-e-Shariat through Courts in the Provincially Administered Tribal Areas of the North-West Frontier Province, except the Tribal Area adjoining Manshera district and the former State of Amb.
Preamble: Whereas it is expedient to expedient to provide for Nifaz-e-Nizam-e-Shariat through Courts in the Provincially Administered Tribal Areas of the North-West Frontier Province, except the Tribal Areas adjoining Mansehra district and the former State of Amb; and whereas Clause (3) of Article 247 of the Constitution of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan provides that no Act of Majlis-e-Shoora (parliament) or a provincial assembly shall apply to a Provincially Administered Tribal Areas, or any part thereof, unless the Governor of the Province in which the Tribal Area is situated, with the approval of the President, so directs, and in giving such direction with respect to any law, the Governor may direct that the law shall, in its application to a Tribal Area, or to a specified part thereof, have effect subject to such exceptions and modifications as may be specified in the direction; and whereas clause (4) of Article 247 of the Constitution of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan provides that the Governor of a Province, with the prior approval of the President, may, with respect to any matter within the legislative competence of the Provincial Assembly, make regulations for the peace and good governance of Provincially Administered Tribal Areas or any part thereof; now, therefore, in exercise of the powers aforesaid, the governor of the North-West Frontier Province, with the approval of the President, is pleased —
(i) to direct that the laws specified in column 2 of Schedule-I shall
(ii) apply to the Provincially Administered Tribal Areas as aforesaid; and
(iii) (ii) to make the following regulation:
1. Short title, extent and commencement:
This regulation may be called the Nizam-e-Adl (Sharia’h) Regulation, 2009
(2) It shall extend to the Provincially Administered Tribal Areas of the North-West Frontier Province, except the Tribal Area adjoining Mansehra district and the former State of Amb, hereinafter referred to as the said area
(3) It shall come into force at once and shall be deemed to have taken effect on 16th day of February, 2009
2. Definitions:
(1) In this Regulation, unless there is anything repugnant in the subject or context –
(a) “Dar-ul-Dar-ul-Qaza” means the final appeallate/revisional court, in the said area, designated as such, under this Regulation, in pursuance of clause (2) of Article 183 of the Constitution of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan;
(b) “Dar-ul-Qaza” means appellate/revisional Court constituted by Government in the said area, under clause (4) of the Article 198 of the Constitution of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan;
(c) “Government” means the Government of the North-West Frontier Province;
(d) “paragraph” means a paragraph of this Regulation;
(e) “prescribed” means prescribed by rules made under this Regulation;
(f) “Qazi” means a duly appointed Judicial Officer as specified and designated in column 3 of Schedule-II;
(g) “recognized institution” means the Shariah Academy established under International Islamic University Ordinance, 1985 (Act XXX of 1985) or any institution imparting Sharia’h training and recognized as such by Government;
(h) “Schedule” means a Schedule to this Regulation; and
(i) “Shariah” means the injunctions of Islam as laid down in Quran Majeed, Sunnah-e-Nabwi (Sallallaho Alaihe Wasallam), Ijma and Qiyas;
Explanation.-In the application of this clause to the personal law of any Muslim sect, the expression Quran Majeed and Sunnah-e-Nabvi (Sallallaho alaihe wasallam) shall mean the Quran Majeed and Sunnah-e-Nabvi (Sallallaho alaihe wasallam) as interpreted by that sect.
(2) All other expressions, not expressly defined in this Regulation, shall have the same meanings as assigned to them in any other law for the time being in force, in the said area to which this Regulation applies.
3. Application of certain laws to the said area:
(1) The laws specified in column 2 of Schedule-I, as in force in the North-West Frontier Province immediately before the commencement of this Regulation, and so far as may be, all rules, notifications and orders made or issued thereunder, shall apply to the said area
(2) All the laws applicable to the said area, including the laws mentioned in sub-paragraph (1), shall so apply subject to such exceptions and modifications as specified in this Regulation
4. Certain laws to cease to operate:
If immediately before the commencement of this Regulation, there was in force in the said area any law, instrument, custom or usage having the force of law not corresponding to the Injunctions of Quran Majeed and Sunnah-e-Nabvi (Sallallaho alaihe Wasallam) or provisions of any of the laws applied to the said area by this Regulation, such law, instruments, custom or usage, as the case may be, shall upon such commencement, cease to have effect in the said area
5. Courts:
Besides, Dar-ul-Dar-ul-Qaza and Dar-ul-Qaza, there shall be following courts of competent jurisdiction, in the said area:
(i) Court of Zilla Qazi;
(ii) Court of Izafi Zilla Qazi;
(iii) Court of Aala Illaqa Qazi;
(iv) Court of Illaqa Qazi; and
(v) Court of Executive Magistrate
6. Qazis and their powers and functions:
(1) Any person to be appointed as Illaqa Qazi, in the said area shall be a person who is a duly appointed Judicial Officer in the North-West Frontier Province. Preference shall be given to those Judicial Officer who have completed Shariah course from a recognized institution
(2) In relation to proceeding with and conducting the criminal or civil cases, all powers, functions and duties concerned, assigned or imposed on Judicial Officer in the North-West Frontier Province under any law for the time being in force, shall, subject to application of such law in the said area and established principles of Sharia’h, be exercised, performed or discharged by them as designed in column 3 of Schedule-II.
(3) Subject to the general superintendence of the principal seat of Dar-ul-Qaza, a Zilla Qazi shall supervise the work of subordinate courts, and, through the District Police Officer concerned, the process serving staff, within the local limits of his jurisdiction.
7. Executive Magistrate:
(1) In each district or protected area, there shall be a District Magistrate, Additional District Magistrates, Sub-Divisional Magistrates and other Executive Magistrates, as the Government deems necessary.
(2) The District Magistrate and the Executive Magistrates shall discharge their responsibilities and exercise their powers according to the established principles of Sharia’h and other laws for the time being in force, in the said area
(3) The District Magistrate shall supervise the work of other Executive Magistrates in the District
(4) Keeping peace, maintaining order, enforcing the executive authority of the Government and “Sadd-e-Zara-e-Jinayat” shall be the duty, responsibility and power of the Executive Magistrate
For this purpose he can take action against an individual, under the established principles of Shariah.
Explanation.-The phrase “Sadd-e-Zarr-e-Jinayat”( ) means and includes all actions and steps taken under the Sharia’h laws and any other law enforced for the time being for the control of crimes.
8. Submission of Challan to Qazi or Executive Magistrate:
(1) It shall be the duty of every officer-in-charge of a police station to ensure that complete challan in each criminal case is submitted to the concerned Court within fourteen days from the date of lodging in the first information report, except in a case in which the concerned Qazi or Executive Magistrate has granted special extension of time for a specified period for the reasons to be recorded:
Provided that if any officer-in-charge of police station or investigating Officer fails to submit complete challan within specified period, the Qazi or Executive Magistrate concerned shall refer the matter to competent authority for disciplinary action against the police officer responsible for such delay, upon which necessary action shall be taken against him forthwith and shall be duly communicated to the referring Qazi or Executive Magistrate
(2) The officer-in-charge of a police station shall submit a copy of the first information report to concerned Qazi or Executive Magistrate, within twenty four hours of its lodging
9. Proceedings to be in accordance with Shariah:
(1) A Qazi or Executive Magistrate shall seek guidance from Quran Majeed, Sunna-e-Nabvi (Sallalllaho Alaihe Wasallam), Ijma and Qiyas for the purposes of procedure and proceedings of conduct and resolution of cases. While expounding and interpreting the Quran Majeed and Sunna-e-Nabvi (Sallalllaho Alaihe Wasallam), the Qazi shall follow the established principles of expounding and interpreting Quran Majeed and Sunna-e-Nabvi (Sallallaho Alaihe Wasallam), and, for this purpose, shall also consider the expositions and opinions of recognized Fuqaha’s of Islam
(2) No Court shall entertain a suit unless the plaintiff/complainant verifies that copies of plaint alongwith supporting documents have been sent, through registered post with acknowledgment due to all the defendants, except in case of a suit for perpetual injunction accompanied by an application for temporary injunction.
(3) The pleadings shall be accompanied by copies of all relevant documents and affidavits of all the unofficial witnesses duly attested by an oath commissioner. The affidavits so submitted shall be treated as examination-in-chief of such witnesses:
Provided that if, after submission of pleadings, in the opinion of court, new issue arises, party to pleadings may be allowed to submit afresh copies of relevant documents and affidavits of unofficial witness attested in the manner aforesaid, for arriving at just conclusion of case
(4) In all cases of civil nature written statement shall be submitted within seven days and where the defendant fails to do so his defence shall be struck off Provided that the court may extend time for filling of written statement in extra ordinary circumstances. The time so allowed shall not be extended further on any ground whatsoever
(5) After completion of evidence, the court shall ask the parities to argue, either verbally or in writing, on the adjourned date, and, if either of the party fails to do so, the court shall pronounce judgment on merits, without any further adjournment for arguments:
Provided that it shall be the duty of the court to make list of relevant reported judgments, referred to by any party as precedent, which shall form part of judicial record
(6) No adjournment shall be granted to either party in any civil or criminal proceedings, except where the court is satisfied that adjournment is unavoidable. In such case the requesting party shall deposit the costs in court which shall not be less than two thousand rupees
10. Observance of time schedule:
(1) A period of not more than six months for disposal of a civil case, and a period of not more than four months for disposal of a criminal case, shall be standard time schedule, excluding the time spent for sulh proceedings
(2) A Qazi shall finalize a case within the time schedule prescribed under sub-paragraph (1) and, in case of any delay in disposal of any case beyond such schedule, shall report the cause and reasons of such delay to the Zilla Qazi or, as the case may be, to the presiding officer of the principal seat of the Dar-ul-Qaza, and shall act on the directions issued by such court in that behalf
(3) An Executive Magistrate shall also finalize a case within the time schedule prescribed under sub-paragraph (1) and, in case of any delay in disposal of any case beyond such schedule, shall report the cause and reasons of such delay to the District Magistrate and shall act on the directions issued by District Magistrate, in that behalf
(4) If the Zilla Qazi or, as the case may be, the presiding officer of the principal seat of the Dar-ul-Qaza, in relation to proceedings in the Court of Qazi, upon examination of causes of delay, is of the opinion that the delay has been caused due to the delaying tactics of a party, it shall fix a penalty or cost to be recovered from the defaulting party and direct the court concerned to dispose of the case within an extended period of not more than one month.
(5) If the District Magistrate, in relation to proceedings in the Court of Executive Magistrate, upon examination of causes of delay, is of the opinion that the delay has been caused due to the delaying tactics of a party, it shall fix a penalty or cost to be recovered from the defaulting party and direct the court concerned to dispose of the case within an extended period of not more than one month.
(6) If in the opinion of Zilla Qazi or, as the case may be, of the presiding officer of the principal seat of the Dar-ul-Qaza, the Qazi or Executive Magistrate, dealing with the case or proceedings, is responsible for delay in its disposal, the Zilla Qazi or, as the case may be, the presiding officer of the principal seat of Dar-ul-Qaza may,
(i) in the case of Qazi, deliver upon him a letter of displeasure. If a Qazi is served with three letters of displeasure in a year, then the Zilla Qazi or as the case may be, the presiding officer of the principal seat of Dar-ul-Qaza, after providing him an opportunity of being heard, may make an entry in his service record; and
(ii) in the case of Executive Magistrate, inform the District Magistrate about such delay and recommend for disciplinary action, provided in clause (i) of sub-paragraph (6) of paragraph 9.The District Magistrate shall act on the recommendations accordingly.
(7) In criminal cases, the Investigating Officer shall prepare copies of the case file in triplicate, in addition to judicial file, so that the trial court may retain the judicial file for regular trial, and the remaining two files, may be sent to the court concerned when requisitioned
(8) An appeal or revision under this Regulation shall be filed within thirty days from the date of the decision in the respective case, after sending its copies, through registered post with acknowledgement due, to the opposite party, and the appellate or revisional court shall decide the same within thirty days, without remanding it on any ground whatsoever
Provided that such court shall have the power to rectify any illegality or irregularity of omission which, in the opinion of he said court, may result injustice to any of the parties.
(9) Any decree shall be executed, either by the court which passed it, or by the court to which it is sent for execution, within two months
11. Establishment of Courts:
(1) Soon after the commencement of this Regulation, Government shall take necessary steps to establish as many courts to ensure expeditious dispensation of justice within prescribed time schedule.
(2) Where the number of pending cases at a time exceeds more than one hundred and fifty in a court of Zilla Qazi, District Magistrate, or, as the case may be, Izafi Zilla Qazi, or exceeds more than two hundred cases in a court of Aa’la Ilaqa Qazi, Executive Magistrate, or, as the case may be, Ilaqa Qazi, it shall be necessary for Government to establish a new court and provide it all related facilities to ensure dispensation of justice within prescribed time schedule.
12. Appeal and Revision:
Subject to the Constitution of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, appeal/revision against the Orders/Judgments/Decree of the Dar-ul-Qaza shall lie to the Dar-ul-Dar-ul Qaza, for the purpose of this Regulation.
13. Power to appoint musleh:
(1) Any civil or criminal case, subject to mutual consent of parties, may be referred to Musleh or, as the case may be, musleheen before recording of evidence, either on the agreement of the parties regarding the names of such musleh or musleheen, or in case of their disagreement, to such musleh or musleheen whose names appear on the list maintained by the court for such purpose: Provided that the cases falling within the purview of Hudood laws and cases by or against the Federal or Provincial Government or any statutory body or persons under legal disabilities shall not be referred for sulh
(2) The musleheen shall record their opinion with regard to a dispute referred to them with reasons therefore
(3) Where a musleh or, as the case may be, musleheen, to whom a dispute has been referred for resolution, either fail or refuse to resolve it, or the Court is of the opinion that unnecessary delay has been caused, without sufficient reason, in resolving it, the Court, may, on the application of a party or suo moto, for reasons to be recorded, withdraw the order of such reference, and, after such withdrawal, it shall resolve the dispute in accordance with Sharia’h as if it were not referred for sulh:
Provided that, in no circumstances, a case shall remain with a musleh or, as the case may be, musleheen for a period of more than fifteen days, but the court may, in extraordinary circumstances, for reasons to be recorded in writing, extend the time for fifteen days and, on the expiry of the aforesaid period, it shall stand withdrawn to the court for further proceedings.
(4) The Musleh or, as the case may be, the musleheen, appointed for such resolution of the dispute, after hearing the parties and their witnesses, if any, perusing the relevant document, if any, and inspecting the spot, if need be, shall form opinion about resolution of the dispute, with reasons therefor, and submit a report of their opinion to the concerned court without delay:
Provided that, in case the opinion is not unanimous, the opinion of the majority members and the opinion of each dissenting member, separately or jointly, with reasons therefore, shall be so submitted
(5) The Court shall, if it is satisfied that the opinion in a case referred to for sul’h under sub-paragraph (1) is in accordance with Sharia’h, make it the rule of the Court, and shall announce it as such, but, if the court comes to the conclusion that the opinion is not in accordance with Sharia’h, it shall declare the opinion, for reasons to be recorded, as null and void and shall start its proceedings for decision of such dispute in accordance with Sharia’h as if it were not referred for sulh
(6) The court shall, before proceeding further, provide an opportunity to the parties to submit objections, if any, to such report, and, if any, objections are so made, the court shall, after hearing the parties, decide about the correctness or otherwise of the objections.
(7) The court shall, keeping in view the actual expenses incurred by the musleh or musleheen, on traveling to, an stay at, the place other than the place of his or, as the case may be, their residence, and the time spent in dealing with the case, in particular circumstances of each case, fix the remuneration of such musleh or musleheen, to be paid by each party in such proportion as may be determined by the court.
14. Conduct of Judicial Officers and Executive Magistrates:
(1) The conduct and character of each Judicial Officer and Executive Magistrate shall be in accordance with the Islamic principles
(2) Notwithstanding anything contained in any law for the time being in force, all cases, suits, inquires, matters and proceedings in courts, pertaining to the said area, shall be decided by the courts concerned in accordance with Shariah provided that cases of non-Muslims in matters of adoption, divorce, dower, inheritance, marriage, usages and wills shall be conducted and decided in accordance with their respective personal laws
(3) Government may, from time to time, take such measures for the purposes of sub-paragraph (1), as it may deem necessary
15. Aid and assistance to courts:
All executive authorities in the said area, including members of law enforcing agencies and members of other services of Pakistan, shall act in aid and assistance of the Courts, and shall implement their judicial orders and decisions.
16. Directions to law enforcing agencies:
Government may, where necessary, issue such directions to any law enforcing agency as are necessary in relation to the service of Courts Processes on the parties, witnesses or any other person, and, for any general or specific purposes, in order to ensure the conduct of such law enforcing agency in aid and assistance of the Courts.
17. Language of the Court and its record:
All the processes and proceedings of the court, including the pleadings, evidence, arguments, orders and judgments shall be recorded and conducted in Urdu, Pushto or in English and the record of the Court shall also be maintained in the said language.
18. Powers to make rules:
Government may, make rules for carrying out the purposes of this Regulation.
19. Regulation to override other laws:
The provisions of this Regulation shall have overriding effect notwithstanding anything to the contrary contained in any other law for the time in force in the said area.
20. Repeal:
(1) The Provincially Administered Tribal Areas Shariaa’h Nizam-e-Adl Regulation, 1999 (N.-W.F.P. Reg. I of 1999), and rules framed thereunder are hereby repealed
(2) The Code of Criminal Procedure (Amendment) Ordinance, 2001 (Ord. No. XXXVII of 2001), applied to the said area vide Notification No. 1/93-SOS-II(HD)/2001, dated 27th April, 2002, is hereby repealed
(3) Notwithstanding the repeal of the Regulation under sub-paragraph (1), or cessation of any law, instrument, custom or usage under paragraph 4, the repeal or cessation, as the case may be, shall not –
(a) revive anything not in force or existing at the time at which the repeal or cessation take effect;
(b) affect the previous operation of the law, instrument, custom or usage or anything duly done or suffered thereunder;
(c) affect any right, privilege, obligation or liability acquired, accrued or incurred under the law, instrument, custom or usage;
(d) affect any penalty, forfeiture or punishment incurred in respect of any offence committed against the law, instrument, custom or usage; or
(e) affect any investigation, legal proceeding or remedy in respect of any such right, privilege, obligation, liability, penalty, forfeiture or punishment; and any such investigation, legal proceeding or remedy may be instituted, continued or enforced, and any such penalty, forfeiture or punishment may be imposed, as if the law, instrument, custom or usage had not been repealed or ceased to have effect, as the case may be.
SCHEDULE-I
[See the preamble and paragraph 3(1)]
1. Fatal Accident Act, 1855 (Act XIII of 1855)
2. The Partition Act, 1893 (Act IV of 1893)
3. The Essential Commodities Act, 1957 (Act III of 1957)
4. The West Pakistan Historical Mosques and Shrines Fund Cess Ordinance, 1960 (W.P. Ord. V of 1960)
5. The West Pakistan Suppression of Prostitution Ordinance, 1961 (Ord. II of 1961)
6. The Indecent Advertisement Prohibition Act, 1963 (Act XII of 1963)
7. The Family Courts Act, 1964 (W.P. Act XXXV of 1964)
8. The West Pakistan Regulation and Control of Loud Speaker and Sound Amplifiers Ordinance, 1965 (Ord. II of 1965)
9. The Pakistan Arms Ordinance, 1965 (W.P. Ord. XX of 1965)
10. The Law Reforms Ordinance, 1972 (Ord. XII of 1972)
11. The North-West Frontier Province Orphanages (Supervision and Control) Act, 1976 (Act XIV of 1976)
12. The Code of Civil Procedure (Amendment) Act, 1976, (XV of 1976)
13. The Law Reforms (Amendment) Ordinance, 1976 (Ord. XXI of 1976).
14. sThe Travel Agencies Act, 1976 (Act XXX of 1976)
15. The Prevention of Gambling Act, 1977 (Act XXVIII of 1977)
16. The North-West Frontier Province Suppression of Crimes Ordinance, 1978 (NWFP Ord. III of 1978)
17. The North-West Frontier Province Prevention of Gambling Ordinance, 1978 (N.W.F.P. Ord. V of 1978)
18. The North-West Frontier Province Waqf Properties Ordinance, 1979 (Ord. I of 1979)
19. The Code of Civil Procedure (Amendment) Ordinance, 1980 (Ord. X of 1980)
20. The Offences Against Properties (Enforcement of Hudood) (Amendment) Ordinance, 1980(Ord. XIX of 1980)
21. The Offence of Zina (Enforcement of Hudood) (Amendment) Ordinance, 1980 (Ord. XX of 1980)
22. The Offence of Qazf (Enforcement of Hadd) (Amendment) Ordinance 1980 (XXI of 1980)
23. The Ehtram-e-Ramzan Ordinance, 1981 (Ord. XXIII of 1981)
24. The Offences Against Property (Enforcement of Hudood) (Amendment) Ordinance, 1982 (Ord. II of 1982)
25. The Zakat and Ushr (Amendment) Ordinance, 1983 (Ord.VII of 1983)
26. The Zakat and Ushr (Second Amendment) Ordinance 1983 (Ord. X of 1983)
27. The Zakat and Ushr (Third Amendment) Ordinance, 1983 (Ord. XXVI of 1983)
28. The Anti-Islamic Activities of Qadianis Group, Lahore Group and Ahmadis (Prohibition and Punishment) Ordinance, 1984 (Ord. XX of 1984)
29. The Zakat and Ushr (Amendment) Ordinance, 1984 (Ord. XLVI of 1984)
30. The North-West Frontier Province (Enforcement of Certain Provisions of Laws) Act, 1989 (NWFP Act II of 1989).
31. The Code of Civil Procedure (Amendment) Act, 1989 (IV of 1990)
32. The Employment of Children Act, 1991 (Act V of 1991)
33. The Enforcement of Shariah Act, 1991 (X of 1991)
34. The Zakat and Uishr (Amendment) Act, 1991 (XXIII of 1991)
35. The Pakistan Bait-ul-Mal Act, 1992 (I of 1992)
36. The Code of Civil Procedure (Amendment) Act, 1992 (VI of 1992)
37. The Civil Law (Reforms) Act, 1994 (Act XIV of 1994)
38. The North-West Frontier Province Consumer Protection Act, 1997 (Act VI of 1997)
39. The Pakistan Environmental protection Act, 1997 (Act XXXIV of 1997)
40. The Control of Narcotics Substances Act, 1997 (Act No. XXV of 1997)
41. The Anti-Terrorism (Second Amendment) Ordinance, 1999 (Ord. XIII of 1999)
42. The Anti-Terrorism (Third Amendment) Ordinance, 1999 (Ord. XX of 1999)
43. Juvenile Justice System Ordinance, 2000 (Ord. XXII of 2000)
44. The Anti-Terrorism (Amendment) Ordinance, 2000 (Ord. XXIX of 2000)
45. The National Highway Safety Ordinance, 2000 (Ord. XL of 2000)
46. The Control of Narcotic Substances (Amendment) Ordinance, 2000 (Ord. LXVI of 2000)
47. The Zakat and Ushr (Amendment) Ordinance, 2000 (Ord. LIX of 2000)
48. The Patents Ordinance, 2000 (Ord. LXI of 2001)
49. The Zakat and Ushr (Amendment) Ordinance, 2001 (Ord. XXI of 2001)
50. The Arms Laws (Amendment) Ordinance, 2001 (Ord. LXVI of 2001)
51. The Pakistan Electronic Media Regulatory Authority Ordinance, 2002 (Ord. No. XIII of 2002)
52. The Zakat and Ushr (Amendment) Ordinance, 2002 (Ord. XXV of 2002)
53. The Drugs (Amendment) Ordinance, 2002 (Ord. XXVIII of 2002)
54. The National Commission for Human Development Ordinance, 2002 (Ord. No. XXIX of 2002)
55. The Code of Civil Procedure (Amendment) Ordinance, 2002 (Ord. XXXIV of 2002)
56. The Representation of People (Amendment) Ordinance, 2002 (Ord. XXXVI of 2002)
57. The Representation of People (Amendment) Ordinance, 2002 (Ord. XXVIII of 2002)
58. The General Clauses (Amendment) Ordinance, 2002 (Ord. XXXIII of 2002)
59. Pakistan Electronic Media Regulatory Authority Ordinance, 2007 (Ord. XIII of 2002)
60. The North-West Frontier Province Forest Ordinance, 2002 (Ord. XIX of 2002)
61. The Zakat and Ushr (Amendment) Ordinance, 2002 (Ord. XXXVIII of 2002)
62. The Representation of People (Third Amendment) Ordinance, 2002 (Ord. XLV of 2002)
63. The North-West Frontier Province Registration and Functions of Private Educational Institutions (Amendment) Ordinance, 2002 (Ord XLVI of 2002)
64. The NWFP the Punjab Minor Canals (Amendment) Ordinance, 2002 (Ord. LVIII of 2002)
65. The Prevention and Control of Human Trafficking Ordinance, 2002 (LIX of 2002)
66. The Probation of Offenders (Amendment) Ordinance, 2002 (LXVI of 2002)
67. The Prohibition of Smoking and Protection of Non-Smokers Health Ordinance, 2002 (Ord. LXXIV of 2002)
68. The Freedom of Information Ordinance, 2002 (Ord. XCVI of 2002)
69. The Press Council of Pakistan Ordinance, 2002 (Ord. XCVII of 2002)
70. The Press, Newspaper, News Agencies and Book Registration Ordinance, 2002 (Ord. XCVIII of 2002)
71. The Monopolies and Restrictive Trade Practices (Control and Prevention) Ordinance, 2002 (Ord. CI of 2002)
72. The Political Parties Order, 2002 (C.E.O. 18 of 2002)
73. The Political Parties (Amendment) Order, 2002 (C.E.O. 20 of 2002).
74. Police (Amendment) Order, 2002 (C.E.O. 36 of 2002)
75. The North-West Frontier Province Shari Act, 2003 (NWFP Act No. II of 2003)
76. The Contempt of Court Ordinance, 2003 (Ord. V of 2003)
77. The Political Parties (Amendment) Act, 2004 (Act III of 2004)
78. The Code of Civil Procedure (Amendment) Act, 2004 (Act VIII of 2004)
79. The Defamation (Amendment) Act, 2004 (Act IX of 2004)
80. The Anti-terrorism (Amendment) Act, 2004 (Act X of 2004).
81. The North-West Frontier Province Consumers Protection (Amendment) Act, 2005 (Act II of 2005)
82. The North-West Frontier Province Local Government (Amendment) Act, 2005 (Act X of 2005)
83. The North-West Frontier Province Housing Authority Act, 2005 (Act XI of 2005)
84. The Illegal Dispossession Act, 2005 (Act XI of 2005)
85. The North-West Frontier Province Local Government (Second Amendment) Act, 2006 (Act II of 2006)
86. The North-West Frontier Province Societies Registration (Amendment) Act, 2006 (Act III of 2006)
87. The North-West Frontier Province Prohibition of Kite Flying Activities Act, 2006 (Act IV of 2006)
88. The Marriage Functions (Prohibition of Ostentatious Displays and Wasteful Expenses) (Amendment) Act, 2006 (Act IV of 2006)
89. The North-West Frontier Province Interest of Personal Loans Prevention Act, 2007 (Act III of 2006)
90. The North-West Frontier Province Agriculture and Livestock Produce Markets Act, 2007 (Act IV of 2006)
91. Prevention of Electronic Crimes Ordinance, 2008 (Act IX of 2008)
SCHEDULE-II
[See paragraph 2(1)(g) and 5(2)]
Designation of Judges and Judicial Officers in the NWFP. except PATA.
Designation of Judges and Judicial Officers in PATA of the NWFP.
1. District and Sessions Judge.
Zilla Qazi
2. Additional District and Sessions Judge.
Izafi Zilla Qazi
3. Senior Civil Judge/Judicial Magistrate under section 30 of the Code of Criminal Procedure, 1898 (Act V of 1898).
Aa’la Illaqa Qazi
4. Civil Judge/Judicial Magistrate.
Illaqa Qazi
What else would you expect from a gutless parliament — shame on this parliament.
From now on it will be perfectly legal for any violent cave man to experiment his own version of sharia on a subjugated group of people. I salute Ayaz Amir and MQM for standing up to these goons.
@5Rivers,
Shame you on.
@5Rivers
I salute Ayaz Amir and MQM for standing up to these goons.
Wow…good jokes MQM for standing up to these goons
Keep em coming
Lets hope it work and peace prevail.
so it means the Supreme Court of Pakistan has no legal say in swat anymore!is this true or i am having difficulty in understanding this regulation?
When Chaudhry/Mian and Dakoo like Zaradri are the leaders what you can expect….
We all know Zardari is dcaiot he will do antyhing to reamin on power until he has sniffed/stolen $4-5 billion from Pakistan
but Where is his brother “Nawaz Sharif” — what the f**k just happened?
How some so easily PML-N and PPP Jointly passed this bill? No parliamantry debate?
Nawaz Sharif – Voice of Justice and Judiciary????
where the f88k is he on this bill????
How PML-N can vote for it ? we know PPP is just bunch of looters and killers and thieves.
They voted for it, handed over Swat to Taliban
Civils courts gone, told to stay home…
Polive already disppeared
School allowed upto 5 grades
women can’t go out without accomapaying Man
Women can’t work
Ta;iban will give heavy ammo like rocket launchers, but will keep AK47 and other weapons to deal with local populations.
Taliban will denounce suicide bombers (for PR reason on Media) but never SAID that they will stop suicide attacks.
Peoples struggle 2 years for Judciary – Where are those Motherfuckers Nawaz Sharif, Ch Nisar, Hassan Iqbal and others with Imran Khan and thier pimps on GEO TV.
This country is fucked-up, and being prepared for India and US to carry out thier future plans…..
ANP has done this being a secular party
@all
I don’t understand, what’s wrong with this regulation?
If the people of Swat are happy and that it is not against the constitution and on top of that parliment is endorsing it then why people are against it (I am not considering MQM the mafia), my question is just from an ordinary Pakistani, please enlighten us.
Implementation of Sharia shouldn’t be a problem for us being Muslims, but the way this came about is a matter of serious concern. It begs a question whether this governmnet is capable to maintain law and order in rest of country. For now this was probably the best thing to do in order to prevent the loss of innocent lives. But in the long run govt has to reestablish its writ in the area and take back the land from the de facto rulers of area called Taliban.
Caving in to a few hundred armed militants is not what any govt should be doing under any circumstances. This will encourage others to take up arms to have their demands met. I understand we have to look at things in a bigger picture as it is a very convoluted matter where we have several power players involved due to foreign presence in the region.
We all know that battle is about to rage on this year in Afghanistan and after this deal focus will be shifted across the border with new alliance of Talibans which will bring back temporary relief in our region but we shouldn’t settle for that instead we should use that time and all of our energy to reorgainze state machinery in the region.
Sufi Mohammed’s days are numbered and after his death Fazlullah will most probably take over. He’s a hardliner and fanatic that believes in bloody movement and will not budge when it comes to negotiations.
Who will bail us out next?
It is a good deal to bring peace in the valley. I hope it will give freedom to pakistanis from the indian and foreign mafias who were using the name of Islam to kill fellow muslims.
Everyone knows these are not only talibans who are fighting in tribal areas(some of them are working on the enemy agenda,some are motivated,some of them are real fighters and offcourse some criminals.) int that scenario this peace deal was the best option. It is very easy to condemn this deal here on the internet and sitting in the drwaing rooms.
Pakistan is our country and the deal has been approved the parliament.
shame on MQM which calls rallies for gunda singh tafoo every second day and don’t dare to call even a single rally against the killings of innoccent Pakistani by their masters.
All who are opposing the deal come with the better idea if you have or just sit here and listen tafoo actor all the time who is against our Pakistan.
Pakistan Zindabad.
what is wrong with this Sharia Regulation? If any one being muslim is afraid of sharia rules then he should better change his name to some non-muslim name.
Just to remind you people that , Taliban in Swat area established after massacre in Lal Masjid , just for the sake of getting revenge from the security forces. We should salute sufi muhammad by bringing them on the peace deal. And this peace deal has nothing wrong , instead we should greet each other that it contains all the good things. Can any body point anything wrong?
@pak007,
Are you talking about the Supreme Court that was itself jailed by Army less than 2 years ago?
It is all over. Swat is officially now an Islamic Emirate run by illiterate Mullah Taliban. The next step is handing over Baluchistan to the BLA. The army is at fault here. They do not have the capacity or the will to fight these Taliban bastards. The people of Pakistan have fattened them up too much. All they are good for is running Real Estate businesses. Goodbye to the Pakistan that we knew and grew up in.
I myself is very much against Talibs. I dont believe in there interpretation.
Having said that after trying every option if people of swat are satisfied and majority of parliamnet excluding MQM have approved it, what is wrong with some people.
I ahve no problem with objection from MQM , it is democartic right.
I wish they could have used this right when musharaf was in power. They could have opposed 3rd november action. Could ahve anstained from voting from musharaf.
What today they are arguing some thing done on gun point should not be approved. What about musharaf holding gun in hand asking for votes—– Any explanations any apology.
I have big problem with RAUF KLASRA. He seems to be in inferiority complex.
He has done some 3 yrs stint in WILAYAT. so impressed with them always praising justice system. Critcizing zardari and nawaz Left and right. he himself is so biased , never condemend khakwanis for harassing female doctor , becuase they are from same belt. Talking about human rights. Ch nisar rightly pointed out him in speech. This dual personality jurnalsit yesterday wrote that pmln n is tight spot. See with how much ease both parties and ANP approved this, Big slap on klasra face.
He has no guts to condemn wilayat sarkar for unjustifed tratment to pakistan TALIBILMS .
HYPOCRACY
Ansar abbasi has rightly pointed out today ANP has done with big risk. PPP and ANP should be appreciated.
In ref: to the issue of jurisdiction of the Supreme Court- it remains.
The issue of appeal was added by the ANP .
I would recommend that everyone READ the WHOLE DEAL- meaning each and every line, then store it in their hard disc with instant recall possible before letting loose with their commentary. Please keep in mind that this document has been written by good lawyers, and scrutinized by even better lawyers- after all that is what took the 7 weeks that Zardari sat on.
I am not a lawyer and do not pretend to be one- so I defer the critical analysis to them .
But the bottom line is that the people’s reps. have passed it and the people of Swat are for it. End of story.
I appeal to all
Discuss any political move on merit.
Please critique it. Have your personal favourite with argument.
Stop being critical for the sake of criticism
I hope some friend from MQM will answer logics about gun forced agreement and decisions
@Brampton,
When your papa Musharraf f***ed entire Pakhtoons and Baloochis with Army and Air Force, where were sitting then? Musharraf did everything in Swat except putting nukes and you saw the results.
You better shut up mind your own business and let people of Swat deal with it.
We have so called civilized police and law in other parts of Pakistan, like Karachi, but everyday people are murdered and they are deprived of their properties. The crime rates in Karachi are hundreds of times higher than Swat and FATA.
Do you want to give them same to people of Swat? First put your own house in order and before selling your bullsh!t to people of Swat.
all credit goes to anp and ppp.
@rasheed , shame on you for supporting violent thugs and their predatory behavior.
@BlackHawh, I am not a supporter of MQM and I am very much against it. But, the crimes of MQM pales in comparison to those of Taliban.
I think some people are really upset , why parliament has united on some issue.
Has signing this gave zardari , nawaz, asfand billions of dollars.
Brampton you will sitting in safe heaven saying bull shit about establishe dpolitical leaders.
Answer the valid questions . Why you followed same principle to GIve your services to the scum of the earth musharaf
Brampton you will sitting in safe heaven saying bull shit about establishe dpolitical leaders.
Answer the valid questions . Why you followed same principle to GIve your services to the scum of the earth musharaf
Can some one from PUKHTOKHWA answer MQM
correction PUKHTOONKHWA
@5rivers,i agree ur point of view but just tell me what other option government has.u know when army started to clear swat from taliban whole media and majority of public was with taliban and they were criticizing army,blaming them for killing of innocent people,blaming them killing for their own people.then wy army fight with taliban.
@5Rivers,
I fully support people of Swat and their wishes. It is guys like you with Busharraf mentality who just want bloodshed everywhere and having pain in their butts why their beloved army is not bombing Swat, NWFP and Balochistan anymore.
If you don’t respect elected the decision of people of Swat, endorsed by parliament of Pakistan, then get you better get lost somewhere and find a new country.
The question is not if Sharia law is good or bad. It’s an altogether a separate debate and should be held in an open and free atmosphere and if the weight of argument and the will of the people say that we need Sharia law’s to address today’s challenges facing our societies and they so be it. And, no one would have a problem with that.
However, this is not sharia. Fazlullah talking about Sharia is like Musharraf talking about democracy.
Neither people of Swat nor the parliament really wanted this law. Both were under Duress.
First, people of SWAT were taken hostage by bloody taliban thugs and only by threatening to disturb the peace of SWAT talibs have convinced the locals that the only way out for locals is to go along with Talibs. Locals want peace not Taliban’s Shariat.
Second, In the history of Pakistan, Parliament has always been the place of who’s who’s for self serving corrupt egos. This is where the nation sends it garbage. It’s the same parliament that has – through out the history – insulated itself from the miseries and cries of common people.
It seems like even Almighty has stopped having mercy on Pakistan. This nation would have to pay for the crime of not speaking up when and where it matters.
@rasheed : “who just want bloodshed everywhere and having pain in their butts ”
Keep your homosexual talk to yourself. Don’t flirt with me.
@rasheed : “get lost somewhere and find a new country”
Only if we can send all idiots like you to India. You are nothing but a waste of oxygen. People like you don’t understand the meaning of difference in opinion. Mullah’s like you are fitna and would burn in hell for your crimes.
@5Rivers,
Any Mr. Rivers, you better have something to sell to people of Swat.
- In interior Sindh, people are enslaved like animals and forced into hard labor – this does not happen in Swat.
- In interior Sindh, pregnant girl is fed to dogs – this does not happen in Swat.
- In Balochistan, women are burned alive in name of pride – this does not happen in Swat.
- In Punjab, nose, hands and legs of women are cut – this also does not happen in Swat.
The only problem you have that people in Swat have beard versus the elites of other regions don’t have beard, even though they do hundreds of times worse crimes against Humanity.
i totally agree with @5 rivers. why can people not understand that debate is not sharia law. it is the way it has been accepted and implemented. In face of utter disgrace and surrender.
If govt has any brains left (highly doubtful) this is the best chance they gonna get.
If Talibaan donot mend their ways then Govt should do the following. Implement sharia then use the sharia to beat up retards like molvi fazalullah. Use a compaign and every media person should be involved, bring it upon a sustained compaign to show how govt has use the power of constitution, parliment and democracy to implement wat was the law, then use it to show how Talibaans r now (after thier demands r met) abusing the sharia n screwing the peace built a consensus against them by showing our moral superioroty. Get rid of Mullah diesel and ilk and use muslim scholors like Maulana taqi usmani, mufti muneeb, maulana rafiuddin and Dr. Israr and flood the area to moderate and educate. When Talibaan resist dun just pound them use media and ulema to show the hypocricy and the ineptness of Talibaan only then we can get rid of them by the power of public opinion behind us.
These MQM guys are a pain in the @$$,
http://www.jang.com.pk/jang/apr2009-daily/14-04-2009/up02.gif
ye log her mamlay main taang kion aratay hain?
@razakhan,
Why don’t you do something yourself instead of complaining and giving lecture to other ulema to take care of this?
Does Dr. Israr or Mufti Taqi’s version of Islam forbids things like “Stoning to Death”? You wouldn’t even accept their version of Islam if it is 100% implemented where hands and necks are cut in public.
@rasheed
Yeah but you wont see Parliament passing resolution condoning these henious activities and turning it into a law.
This is the biggest blunder of MQM. I think it is good for JI as now they will sure be able to gain some good number of seats from Karachi.
MQM is a Munafiq party and Altaf Hussain is a Munafiq, period.
I urge all urdu speaking people of Karachi to vote JI in next election.
What the f**k is Altaf Hussain doing in Pakistan when he does not support Shariah.
He should go back to India.
Now the whole world knows Altaf is a Munafiq and a looser.
@5Rivers,
Can you just read the above resolution on this very page and let me know which part is considered heinous activities? Don’t twist the facts and speak based on the actual document that parliament passed.
Do you even know the history of this regulation? When was it originally made?
Mubarak to people of Swat. They have done what all Pakistani should have done 60 years ago. As i have experienced in my life that people of Swat are a bit well off and quite educated in Deen and as well as Dunya than rest of Pakistan’s general population.
And now they have proven that with lots hikmat and patience.
May Allah support them and help all of them for this step, Aameen.
a sad, sad day for the state of Pakistan. every state has its challenges but very few just give up like this.
the country burns and that Kiyani khusra is off golfing when what he should be doing is learning to dance – at least he will be able to make some money that way. if the army won’t fight the Taliban because of “strategic depth”, then these army khusras should be lined up in front of a firing squad and executed. if they can’t fight the Taliban because the savage animals are too good for them, then they should turn in their arms and in exchange accept bangles from the govt of Pakistan. with all the defence money saved up, maybe we will finally be able to spend some money on important things like education and healthcare instead of feeding a khassi, impotent, shameless, useless, corrupt army of generals aka dollar-wh0r3s.
shame on Kiyani and all his la’anti generals… first gave away half the country… now giving it away piece by piece. ashamed to think that I went to an army school and looked up to these pieces of sheet once upon a time.
hats off once again to that brave giant from Chakwal, Ayaz Amir. you have shown more courage Ayaz sahib than the cursed, useless army of our country. please be extra careful about your personal security now… we need honest, brave men like you…
Another slap.
I am waiting in anticipation whats next from Baboos.
Golden Words
Apna promise tub tuk poora na kero jub tuk tumharay sath kuttay wali na ho jaey.
Hazrat Asif Ali Zardari lanuti-ul-azeem.
@rasheed @5Rivers,
ahaaa, now we come to the crux of the problem which is u dun want sharia law at all. Y dun u say so. And yes as Prophet PBUH said agar meri baiti Fatima bhi chori kartee to main oska haath kaat daita.
Khud badaltey nahi quran ko badal daitey hain
lol. dudes if the issue is that pak shouldn’t have sharia law at all or should have ppl say if they want it or not then there is no point to argue.
1 – We have completed ur deen – Alquran
2 – Constitution of Pak states that sharia law will be supreme (plz b4 u ask which fiqh or which molvi, read the article above that each fiqh will have their where it effects them in personal law and beside all these qts have been answered by Islamic nazaryati council)
So to conclude as per Quaran and Sunnah as muslims the only law we can live under is sharia, the ijma and qayas Islam asks us to use for things not mentioned in Quran e.g the punishment for drug dealings, how to tax and how to spent that tax (main idea is that all should be for benefit of Ummah and humankind etc etc).
To change that what u guys need is constitutional amendement. So good luck wit that. So plz temme if that is ur premise then there is nothing to argue or agree. cuz we will stand always on opposite sides. Why waste breath and then since U can’t bring that amendment leagally may i suggest 2 ways.
1 – Leave pak and enjoy secularism in west.
2 – Try what they doing in Thailand
@razakhan
CCI ( Council Of Islamic Ideology ) has not approved it. And I doubt if Mr. Ghamidi , head of CCI, will ever approve Taliban’s Sharia.
You don’t leave your home just because bees erect hive in your verandah.
@razakhan,
Just to clear any misconception, I am not pro-Sharia and I DO NOT believe in the versions of Islam by any current list of Mualanas, Muftis and/or Talibans.
My personal belief is that western societies are more closer to the core principles of Quran and our different versions of Islam are far away from the Quranic principles.
My solution is that we fix the corrupt police and slow judicial system in civilized cities in all over Pakistan, which would not be possible in less than 10 years.
We should accept the Swat agreement as a tactic and work hard for setting an example for people of Swat and FATA, and then offer them something better before depriving them of what they want at this time.
There is no other solution at this time.
@rasheed
well thanks for calrifying now i dun need 2 respond to u since we will never agree:)
@5Rivers
what a joke ghamdi who dun believe in sunnah as constitutional pillar is the head of Islamic ideology council. Need I say more Musharraf rooshan khayali. Same as rasheed no point arguing since we will never agree.
BTW Islamic Council can only recommend to accept or not is Parliment responsibility as it should be, since they are the elected members, the council role is to advise and recommend and thats all and that should always be like this.
@who the h3ll is Ghamidi to impose his version of Islam?
This was needed in Swat to stop the innocent killings and insurgency. What problems do people have with this?
Doctrine of necessity should not be limited to the notorious decisions of the previous judiciary only.
MQM is mad..Zardari has used and discarded them…they like to build their own 1-1/2 inch ki masjid to whine until their handlers give them a shut-up call.
@Admin,
This picture of POOR PASHTOON is very dishonest and thankless of you,there should a talib there brandishing his ak 47.After all it was made possible by TALIBAN after giving GREAT SACRIFICES.Me,my children and their children are going to listen and live through this for the next say 50 years.
Credit of NIZAM-E-ADAL regulation goes to taliban and not PASHTOONS.
lol ghamdi is a dirty ***. are we supposed to take our Islam from him now? baboos are dreaming if they think any true Muslim will follow ghamdi’s enlightened moderate fitnah.
@pak.nukes
“@who the h3ll is Ghamidi to impose his version of Islam?”
Exactly. And who gives a damn if CCI has approved it or not? What fvcking authority does Mr Ghamadi have? (@5R, Don’t take this to mean I am anti G but that statement that “CI hasn’t approved it” is preposterous. NO ONE is asking them for their approval)
“This was needed in Swat to stop the innocent killings and insurgency. What problems do people have with this?”
Is that question rhetorical?
@Traffic
Thats exactly what they want to do.
Haven’t you seen how Ghamdi is being promoted on all channels?
We do not need his interpretation of Islam/Quran. Allah has given us a book with complete guidance and HE has given us brains to understand/decide/follow what HE has conveyed to us.
@
pak.nukes said:14 April 2009 at 5:25 am
This was needed in Swat to stop the innocent killings and insurgency.
Plus ANP wanted to stop its @$$ whipping by TALIBAN.
@nota
Use your wildest imagination to interpret my question like Ghamdi.
@pak.nukes,
MQM is going to use this opportunity to cash against ANP & Pathans in Karachi.
MQM has already started to label ANP as supporters of Talibans and they will use this opportunity to maximum extent and Altaf Katta will continue shouting that ANP Talibaans are in Karachi and we need to kill them to make Karachi safer.
Their ultimate dream would be to somehow create unrest in Karachi, followed by bloodshed where they will show themselves as victims. United Nations troops would arrive in Karachi for peacekeeping while Pakistan army is engaged elsewhere. With backing of India, UN would announce a new border and put Karachi & Hyderabad in a new country. Altaf Hussain will arrive back from London and become President or Prime Minister of this country.
@justice4all
Today Zia-ul-Haq’s bud-rooh must be dancing in hell.
@ pak.nukes
you’re right. ever since Moshe hijacked our country, these fifth columnists like ghamdi, taseer, RM, zardari etc. have infiltrated into seats of power and influence. ghamdi Islam ka bara dars deta hai, has he ever criticized the Lal Masjid and Jamia Hafsa massacre while he was enjoying his seat of head of CII(probably granted to him by Moshe)?
Before Javaid Ch. in Kal-Tak yesterday Javaid Hashmi of PML(N) categorically said in America almost in every 3rd State different laws are prevailing which are totally different with each other these Americans whatever is Good for them to do Immediately but for Muslims they draw the lines & create hurdles just like that.
Therefore Nizam e Adl if it is Good for our country we must adopt the same on spur of the same moment without wasting any single minute. Interestingly our Ruling Elite so called public demand leader(s) speak their language on the behalf of Americans.
@rasheed
Altaf kaali mata has been whining about Taliban Hawa since long now. I dread the day their drones enter Sindh.
@nota
What is the next scene of Act-1?
Who will emerge victorious, Caesar or Cassius?
@@rasheed
Kaliya winning seats outside karrachi, not unless they fixing elections lol and even in karachi lets have fair elections and see how mqm fairs:p. MQM wnning seats in NWFP lol good joke:p
every one has the right to live his own life,
good decision……….
@Traffic and pak.nukes
I think you guys haven’t heard much about Ghamidi sahib. Do try and watch the following programmes where he talks about democracy and Lal Masjid incident:
http://tv-almawrid.org/vd/TV%20Pro%2035.wmv
http://tv-almawrid.org/vd/Lal%20Masjid%20kay%20baad-Pakistan%20aur%20Alim-e-Islam.wmv
Two opposing views (I know which one the Baboos aggree with)
Zardari makes his mark By Ansar Abbasi
ISLAMABAD: The collective wisdom of the country’s prime public representative body — the National Assembly of Pakistan — has put its weight behind the Swat peace deal to save the people of the valley from ruthless killing and complete lawlessness, which has been the hallmark of this once the enchanting tourist resort of Pakistan.
The parochial view of NGO types, liberal extremists and confused souls has been rejected by those, most of whom are known liberals, whether belonging to the Pakistan People’s Party, the Awami National Party and to some extent even the Pakistan Muslim League. They have definitely played their role of being public representatives and thus should be encouraged and praised. Going well beyond their personal philosophies, ideologies and political thinking, these members of the Parliament supported the peace deal, which in normal circumstances would not have been acceptable to most of them. Their priority was to secure the people of Swat from being pushed back to the pre-Feb 16 situation when innocent people were beheaded, butchered, looted, harassed and even flogged at the whims of a group of armed individuals….
An open letter to Gen Kayani by
Col (r) Harish Puri of the Indian Army
[I won't quote anything here because it is worth a read. It is insult after insult laid on the Army and am surprised The News printed it. Certainly an excellent example of how not to make an argument.]
So what do you say, Baboos?
@razakhan
Anything can happen in Pakistan. MQM may become Pakistan’s biggest political party from a terrorist group. Bas mai baap ki inayaat ki zaroorat hai.
@nota
What is this bakwaas ‘open letter to Kiyani’.
How could ‘the news’ publish it?
It is very unfortunate that our army chief is being told what to do and what consequences could we face.
Harish Puri thank you and get lost.
@pak.nukes
Don’t forget the bakwasi’s email is given at the end:
hbpuri@hotmail.com
@nota
I have already started working on that….Plz copy me whatever you send him.
@ All….
Please, enlighten me…. where the hell does it says that the power will go to Talibans????????
Show me the NAME of f**kin Taliban in this whole document………… I challenge you.
It says, the Qazi shall be a judicial officer having completed a course in Shariah… so basically a “judge” with an additional course in Quran, Hadith, Ijma’ and Qiyas. They will not be some “maulvis” as expected by some people here.
The interpretation of Quran and Hadith will be done in accordance with the sect of the Muslims involved in the case.
The courts will be setup by the GOVERNMENT … I dunno how this is read as Taliban…
According to peace deal, Taliban are to surrender power…. whether they will do or not is a seperate debate but there is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WRONG with this Regulation and the peace deal.
Besides, there IS already a Shariat court operational in Pakistan. As far as this regulation is concerned, the only new thing is the time constraints and provision of sul’h. I dont think there is any problem with that.
@ nota
Ah the Indian colonel speaks the same language of our baboos. It is laughable to read him saying that India cares about some imaginary Swati girl being flogged while these b*st*rds are the ones funding terrorism in Pakhtunkhwa and Balochistan. The similarity between his arguments and those of baboos and NGO’s is so great that its not even funny.
@nota and Pak.nukes
Our problem is that our so called danishwars and media personalities are so enamoroed with indian media and so called intellectuals, Pak media (read geo hamid mir specially) keep giving indian writers and intellectuals space and they use it to spout their ideology. REemeber the great debate geo sponsored wasnt even shown in India, this friendship with India is an illusions. India is out enemy #1. To give u an idea, when gandhi started politics in India he has already made his name in SA, so Quaid-e-azam gave a dinner in his honor at his residence. Addressing the dinner Gandhi said (dun remember exact words) A Mohammadan has honored me, to which quaid replied we are indian not mohammadan (that was when Quaid was in congress and was a fervent indian nationalist). Then when Allama Iqbal proposed the idea of Pakistan, Gandhi said creation of Pak is like tearing up Gao mata. Now we all know gao mata is sacred to hindus and u can look at mindset of Gandhi the so called secular Indian. We have to stop living this illusion, of India-pak freindship. Once again am not calling for perpetual war and would like to see noramlize relationships but we must remember India dun accept Pak and will do nething to harm us, WE have to stop this nonsense of letting Indian use Pak media until unless the reciprocate.
@Traffic
Yes and I am surprised that people haven’t already started supporting this bl@@dy Indian guy in this forum.
Indians care for Pakistanis….joke of the century.
@ All.
The ‘treatment’ to be given to the ‘fence-sitters’ like MOM is that Sharai h should be implemented immediately in whole of Sindh, INCLUDING Karachi. Only then it will be ‘killing of two birds with one stone’ i.e; erasing of : 1. crimes/criminals 2. MQM, the thug mafia.
@ shandana. I am sorry to inform you that MQM is certainly a ‘thug mafia.’ Ask any non-MQM Karachite & he/she will explain to you the details.
@ shimatoree/others.
If the majority of residents/dwellers are in it’s favor, THEN THATS IT !
@ rasheed. Do you call police of Pakistan as ‘civilised’? No sir,not possible.
@ Traffic/pak.nukes. Ghamdi is a product of Mush regime. Day after day, he sounds more like a Qadiyani. Dont you agree?
@ All.
1. It is again my REPEATED request, to all here that let us NOT, (i.e; the members of/on this forum) get personal against each other. If we so desire to discuss a topic, then let us do so in a mature manner, while staying within the bounds of decorum, propriety in, manners & conduct.
2. Getting personal with each other breeds animosity & acrimony. Everybody get nasty in return, but let us not wash our ‘dirty (Pakistani) linen’ in full view of the world’s public.
2. Apart from it’s browsing by Pakistanis within & outside Pakistan, I feel this website, i.e; PkPolitics is also read by each & everyone the world-over. So let us also not make us Pakistanis, a laughing stock in the world. Otherwise people from other nationalities will treat us with contempt & ridicule, that it deserves.
3. With the poor conduct abroad of/by SOME of our un-educated classes,we Pakistanis, generally & as a whole, are known to be derided/bemocked with contemptuous laughter, especially by the educated classes of the West.
4. So much so that I still remember Peter Sellers mocking the spoken English of the natives of our Indian sub-continent in one of his films, the ‘Pink Panther.’
7. If anybody wishes to disagree with what I have elaborated as above, he/she is welcome to state so; BUT SHOULD PLEASE DO SO WITH PROPRIETY IN MANNERS & CONDUCT.
8. Some of our visitors in the past have tried to be ‘nasty’ against me, & for NO RHYME OR REASON, WHAT-So-EVER. I tried my best to complian about the matter to Admin PkPoliticks, with a request to them to caution such visitors to abide by their own (PkPolitic’s) Do’s & DONT’s.
9. After I found out that my requests to pkpolitics fell on their ‘deaf ears’ then I had no other recourse than ‘TO PAY’ THOSE FALLIBLE GUYS ‘BACK IN THE SAME COIN’ that they deserved.
10. I only hope somebody does not try it again, or otherwise DOES NOT COMPEL ME TO RESPOND in the same manner?
History will no doubt record this day as a dark one…when the Pakistani state surrendered to a handful of illiterate barbarians. In any case, I wish the people of Swat well, and pray for their safety. This will serve to embolden the Taliban, their territory will continue to grow, and writ of the state will continue to recede.
On the positive side, at least a small portion of Pakistan is now officially Dar-al-Islam, whereas the rest of us devil worshippers, are clearly residing in Dar-al-Harb. But worry not friends, soon the saintly sufis and fiery Fazlullahs will come to us, bringing with them, our salvation.
I leave you with a simple thought. Granted that it is pathetic to be America’s bit**, I wonder how being Fazlullah’s bi*** is any different?
@SnrCtzn
surprise surprise I think the 1st time I agree with all ur points – see the benefits of sharia nizaam we all agreeing lol
@pakcitizen
Since you can’t think beyond being someone’s bitch, let me make a simple suggestion:
Be whosoever’s b!tch you want to be. Hell, you can even be Col(r) Puri’s if you so desire.
@nota
How about I make you my b!tch…I’ll treat you nice, that’s a promise
Good…
Atlast something good comes out of the parliament and some good news for the people of Malakand division especially for swat.
Now “Maghrib Zada” people must be having nightmares. Go hide the shariah is gonna get you.
lets get back to the topic.
God have mercy on us he has given us one more chance are we smart enuff to grab it. By comparision to rest of Pak malakand division is small. Lets use this oppurtunity to achieve peace and prosperity the FALAH that Quran commands us not the FALAH of west.
1 – We can be smart and honest and use sharia system and expand it in malakand division, lets appoint God feearing qazi (in english a qazi is called a judge :p), we will stumble but lets make it a true islamic part in the image of quran and sunnah. Use the occassion to route out psuedomullah’s extremist who use the name of religion for thier own ways. Use the justice and Islamic sharia to bring order in the area and then use that model which once perfected to slowly implement in res of Pakistan.
2 – Economic development of the area, education are to be made 1st priority in that area. The ppl have suffered a lot and should be compensated for that. Take away the reason for extremism make so call Talibaan understand they wanteed sharia and what sharia demands from them.
Most imp be patient and keep vigil on govt who under pressure might try to sabotage this deal. There are already forces working to destroy the deal, they are open enemies and those who use Islam’s name to achieve thier goals and devieve us. Be watchful and resist any outside influence. Thats why I suggeested that Govt should use the likes of maulana rafiuddin usmani, taqi usmani dr. israr to flood the area and use them to deny those who claims 2 be muslim yet distort Islam. ALLAH bless us all and guide us to the righteous path.
Above all donot let any liberals in the area:p
@pakcitizen
“I leave you with a simple thought. Granted that it is pathetic to be America’s bit**, I wonder how being Fazlullah’s bi*** is any different?”
Ooh — just the pathetic response I expected. But you forgot: being someone’s bitch is your aim in life. Remember?
(G@ndu, tu kisi ko kiay bitch banaay ga? Bhool giya apni asliat?)
indians cared for muslims for centuries.even todays muslims are ruling in india.just think who is shaw rukh ,dr,kalam,sania mirza.i can give a long list these muslims are as popular among hindues as in muslims.we muslims has to change our mantality.
http://www.jang.net/jm/4-14-2009/pic.asp?picname=31.gif
May God bless the people of Swat.
And Swati’s don’t worry, I know there are too many liberals, and not enough circuses, but we sure will find a way to keep em busy.
iran supports terror groups in balochastan not india.in history more wars are bettween muslims than with non muslims.
@ democrate
haha, man I like your jokes.
http://thecurrentaffairs.com/index.php/muslims-of-india-sachar-commission-report-2006/
@SnrCtzn said:
“@ Traffic/pak.nukes. Ghamdi is a product of Mush regime. Day after day, he sounds more like a Qadiyani. Dont you agree?
”
I second to you regarding “Ghamdi is a product of Mush’s rigime. “Though I don’t like Ghamdi because of his flip-flop personality, being consider himself “Mujtahid e Fee zamana” and present Islam with “tarkaaa” of “Mush’s enlighten moderation” but i think “qadiani” is not suitable word to label him.
anyhows, your analysis sum up all points of entire discussion and I appreciate it.
@nota
LOL…tu nay to rona shuru kar diya hai…LOL!
Ghamdi is actually very good…indeed an enlightened progressive scholar…
As far as being a product of Mush’s regime, the free media was also a product of Mush’s regime, doesn’t mean it was a bad thing…
Some things just surface because their time has come, and they coincide with adverse prevailing conditions (like Mush’s regime), but we must be careful not to read too much into those coincidences and accept a good thing for what it is.
The parochial view of NGO types, liberal extremists and confused souls has been rejected by those, most of whom are known liberals, whether belonging to the Pakistan People’s Party, the Awami National Party and to some extent even the Pakistan Muslim League. They have definitely played their role of being public representatives and thus should be encouraged and praised.
http://thenews.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=21502
Ayaz Amir, a liberal intellectual and columnist, was the only parliamentarian to shout, “This agreement was signed under the shadow of guns and most importantly the guns of Taliban had turned out to be more powerful than the guns of our Pakistan Army.”
It was crystal clear that the serious threats of Taliban spokesman Muslim Khan, carried by all the morning newspapers on their front pages, were very much on the minds of all the scared looking parliamentarians. So except for those in favour of the deal, no one from the Punjab or Sindh spoke out.
Salute to Ayaz Amir!
http://thenews.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=21505
“democrate said:
indians cared for muslims for centuries.even todays muslims are ruling in india.just think who is shaw rukh ,dr,kalam,sania mirza.i can give a long list these muslims are as popular among hindues as in muslims.we muslims has to change our mantality.
”
WTF, democrate have you ever talked to a ordinary indian Muslims? I have had interaction with more than a dozen and every one of them said that muslims are completely marginalize by hindus.
Atleast think before writing bu11sh1t.
@jamil
It’s not just ordinary muslims…see how those “ruling muslims” fare
I know @dem and @pakcitizen will scream this is a lie and that they love us there….
@urazzaq12
“The parochial view of NGO types, liberal extremists and confused souls has been rejected”
And did you catch the other one?
@jamil
democrate is a declared pagal like his demented leader so don’t waste time on him/her.
“An open letter to Gen Kayani by
Col puri”
Why The News printed this crap? There can be no justification of printing this load of sh1t.
Call mushi back so he can kick their ar5e once aagin
@pakcitizen
Ghamdi views r not new they been there 4 centuries and have been rejected by majorityof muslims. Dude use some brain and read Islamic thoelogical history and different scholors and thier point of view. Ghamdi is old wine in new bottle just being pushed down on masses by the same liberal elites who thought Mushy was the elightened one and Barak Obama is the messiah. Next u gonna say u agree with democrate that India cares abt muslims, wait a minute i might be wrong but wasn’t that you who said in other posts usa wanteed to help veitnamese but they didn’t appreciate and threw usa out? if u agree with that why am wasting my time lol
@nota
send @dem and @pakcitizen to Gujrat for sight seeing, they are waiting for them, lovely weather I heard
Oooh elections are near aswell time for another muslim massacre?
@razakhan
Nope, I didn’t say anything about US-Vietnam in any post. Seem to be mistaken
@jamil @nota
I’m not sure how I got dragged into this Indians love Muslims thingy…I smell a nota
And since unlike nota, I don’t live under a rock, and don’t need to google everything to make a point, I too have Indian Muslim colleagues, and I second what jamil says. They are indeed outnumbered, overwhelmed and highly marginalized.
@Admin PKPolitics
I am not sure why my comments has been moderated and removed from this thread that I posted 2 hours ago. I didnt posted any offensive language or inflamatery comments.
@Patriot
” I dunno how this is read as Taliban…”
That’s because the disgraceful baboo tola WANT to.
The big risk behind this deal is there is no gaurantee that Talibs will put down their weapons. There is no gaurantee that they will not infeltrate to other areas and will not blackmail at gun point again and again.
I bet you guys talibs will not infeltrate to other areas like they did in Bunair and will carry on and on. They will keep on pressing government by saying we will break the peace deal if yu will stop us. I am supporter of talks and deals. I am just worried that there is no win-win for government at other end, where talibs will not do what they need to do now. “Layoffs weapons, let the security (police, rangers, army)” take control. Do no spread in other areas like they are doing.
Now everybody should pray for peace as well. This Nizam Adl was being sold as the last condition for end of bloodshed. Still doubt the intentions of Zardari and Rehman Malik.
@supercreature
and ur right, but as I mentioned b4 in my above post, Govt should use the brains and use same sharia law to mariginalize talibaan by showing what true sharia law can do. But Like other ppl have mentiiooned I fear govt serving usa inetrests will find a way to break the deal and then blame it on talibaan. I have np as long as they do it wisely unlike all the last times and in the end talibaan gets stronger cuz they turn around and say see we were ready but govt keep breaking thier promise. So key is use brain.
@ supercreature
If the talibans don’t abide by peace agreement, the government can anytime disown the agreement and start a army operation against them. And then the people of swat will also stand by the army.
HI TO ALL
WHATS WRONG WITH SHARIAH LAW AND WITH U GUYS OPPOSING IT? THERE IS A UCOURT IN ISLAMABAD. WOULD U PEOPLE LIK TO PROTEST IN FRONT OF IT?? I THIK ITS GOOD . WE ARE WITH SHARIAH LAW BUT THE WAY THEY IM[OSED IT IN SWAT THRU PRESSURE I OPPOSE IT. BUT THERE WAS NON E OTHER WAY TO STOP INNOCENT KILLINGS. I CANNOT UNDERSTAND WHY OUR ARMY FAILED THERE IN SWAT?? WHY OUR GOVT IS WEAK?? I CANT BELIEV ON THIS MYTH THAT TALIBAN HAVE TAKEN CONTROL OVER THERE. ITS VERY EASY TO STOP THEM, WITHOUT KIILING INNOCENTS IN SWAT. WE HAVE MI, ISI, FIA ETC. WHAT ARE THEY DOING?? IF OUR ISI CAN BREAK USSR OR CAN CREATE INSURGENCY IN KASHMIR. WHY CANNOT THEY PULL OUT TALIBANS FROM SWAT?? WE CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT THE REAL GAME IS. WE ALL PAKISTANIS CAN UNDRSTAND WELL. AGAGIN ARMY AND CIVIL GOVT IS CREATING SITUATION LIK 1971. AND WE HERE BUSY IN WRITING LONG USELESS POSTS
SORRY ITS SHARIAH LAW COURT IN ISLAMABAD
Who needs Indian press when you’ve got (Baboos’ Guru) Sethi/DailyTimes
Editorial: Getting parliament to endorse Swat laws
“…The warlord son-in-law of Sufi Muhammad is not only swelling the ranks of his army, he is also putting together an economic base for his satrapy that will serve as the future backbone of the Taliban invasion of the NWFP. He has taken control of the Mingora emerald industry and will soon be in the international market selling precious stones….”
Taliban recruiting anew in Swat
…“As long as we were there enforcing peace, they were not recruiting,” Rizwanullah Farooq, son of Sufi Muhammad, told Bloomberg on Monday. “Now recruitment is going on even in Buner because they don’t see a chance for peace. The government must understand this….
@razakhan @urazzaq12
The solution is not by breaking the peace deals, the solution is to abide the deals from both ends. I am a big critic of the PPP govt, but if Govt has shown good gesture now talibs need to do similar things.
Beside that no one should be allowed to force by gun their own version of islam. If peace deal is chalked out to stop the bloodshed and spreading of talibs there and then then talibs should not dare to spread in other areas and do the same like in swat. If they will do it, it will show every one their intentions …
EU has many countries and they implement Europe wide laws, but by referendum. if Talibs want to enforce sharia in other areas, they MUST let alone those areas, should NOT make then hostage and just ask the government to held referendum in those area’s. They they want well enough if not still should be well enough for them.
@pakcitizen
yeah blame nota, i was just following his lead. Just read my earlier post dont now why you end up in it. must be nota .. lolzzz
@ nota
That puri’s letter is not worth the read..
He’s just urging the army to kill their people, and repeat the mistakes that happened in East Pakistan.
What he was actually trying to say is:
“The New York Times predicts that Pakistan will collapse in six months.” Do you want to go down in history as the man who acted against their objectives? So just abide by their rules and kill your own d@mn people.
If that Puri had a bit of sincerity in him he should have pointed out that Raw is funding Baloch liberation movements, so find the agents and bl0w there heads off.
Anyways I don’t think except a handful of baboos, there is anyone else who agrees with that halwa puri.
@pakcitizen
“and don’t need to google everything to make a point, “
Off course not, “Oracles” don’t need Google
@pakcitizen
““and don’t need to google everything to make a point, “
Ah, at least you admit I made my point
@democrate said:
“indians cared for muslims for centuries.even todays muslims are ruling in india.just think who is shaw rukh ,dr,kalam,sania mirza.i can give a long list these muslims are as popular among hindues as in muslims.we muslims has to change our mantality.”
Are you in “sleeping mode”? WTF
Read “Sachar report on Muslims” , how the poor condition is of Muslims!!!!
http://www.milligazette.com/dailyupdate/2006/200612141_Sachar_Report_Status_Indian_Muslims.htm
AND
BBC Urdu published it today!!!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/urdu/india/2009/04/090413_azamgarh_votes.shtml
Further
http://www.bbc.co.uk/urdu/india/2009/04/090413_raigarh_elections.shtml
come out from dreams and face the reality rather to watch Shah Rukh, Amir , Salman and Frhan’s movies and portraiting “shanti hi shanti” about muslims in india
Malakand is a region in the North West Frontier Province of Pakistan. Named after Malakand Agency, a part of this region, it covers one third of the total area of the province.The area of Malakand Region is 29,872 sq. Km and its population is 5.52 million. The region is further divided into Chitral, Dir upper,Dir Lower, Swat, Buner, Shangla Districts and Malakand Agency. Although the bill of Islamic Law (Sharia) for Malakand division in Pakistan was passed almost unanimously by the parlimant, there were few voices against it: “This agreement was signed under the shadow of guns and most importantly the guns of Taliban had turned out to be more powerful than the guns of our Pakistan Army.”
In addition to issue of imposing the law at gunpoint, there are concerns about the very nature of laws itself blamed for brutality and violations of basic human rights. But there is an alternate view as well (.) Further for West, it means providing help to militants in the region which would not be inline with war against terror. . Implementing law in one region of the country can escalate the demand for implementing it in other regions which can result in complete takeover of Islamists in the country with dozens of nuclear weapons. West recently started blaming Pakistan Army and ISI for purposefully remaining silent against Islamic extremists. In fact they blame army to support these factions. “The risk of an Islamist takeover in Pakistan is a myth invented by the Pakistani military to consolidate its hold on power. In fact, religious political parties and militant organizations are manipulated by the Pakistani Army to achieve its own objectives, domestically and abroad. The army, not the Islamists, is the real source of insecurity on the subcontinent. Sustainable security and stability in the region will be achieved only through the restoration of democracy in Pakistan. The West should actively promote the demilitarization of Pakistan’s political life through a mix of political pressure and capacity building. Enlarging the pool of elites and creating alternative centers of power will be essential for developing a working democracy in Pakistan.” .
Being a Muslim and Paksitani, I seek answers to the following questions.
1. Is Islamic law really horrific? What makes it unacceptable to the West? Are they afraid of potential of an alternate system?
2. Is Talibnization of Pakistan possible? Does majority of people of Pakistan support Islamic Law in its current form? Does majority of people of Pakistan support Talibnization of Pakistan?
3. What is wrong with accepting the will of people of a region?
4. Does not Pakistan has right to safeguard its own interests i.e. neutralizing the insurgency in a region by accepting demands of its majority?
5. What is war against terrorism?
6. What is the importance of Pakistan’s nuclear assets and Pakistan Army in the whole scenario?
7. What is the role of India, Iran and Russia as common stakeholders in the region along with USA?
8. What is the policy of China?
9. What should be the policy of Pakistan in current circumstances?
10. What is the future of Pakistan? Are we able to survive internal and external issues we are facing?
Being an active community with diverse point of views, I seek your participation to answers these questions. Maybe we can compile it and float it on the Web.
Taleban ‘kill love affair couple’ :
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7997749.stm
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…”Three Taleban mullahs brought them to the local mosque and they passed a fatwa (religious decree) that they must be killed. They were shot and killed in front of the mosque in public,” the governor said. …
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Now this may be the Governor’s side of the story but if this is true then this is how judgements will be made in Swat as well.
In the context of the Nizam-e-Adl, the question that what will be the qualification of the Qazis of the Qazi courts? We all know that we have not produced any scholars of Islam but Mullahs whose view are extremely narrowed and therefore, can not be trusted to interpret Shariah.
@abuzarghafari
The problem with ‘Shariah’ law is that the muslim community is fragmented into a many sects/schools/subsects etc etc who do NOT agree on a single interpretation of Shariah.
Therefore imposition of shariah law in this case, will pander to the the whims and interpretations of the dominant political force which happens to belong to a fairly rigid, orthodox and inflexible school (i.e. wahabi) which many other muslims may not agree with.
anytime ’shariah’ has been implemented in the past it has benefited one group,sect,school over another – which logically implies it is not a universally applicable legal system.
@ NOTA and the incoherence of incoherence
dude!!!!!!! once upon a time you were easily the most rational commentator on this site…. what happened??? you seem so focused on tripping up the ‘babu’s’ that you’re losing the plot here…
our country is on the verge of imploding and you’re too busy point scoring instead of using your (considerable) writing ability to get people to focus on the real issues at hand…
@Amir Hameed
and we should trust ur interpretation of Islam? U claim we haven’t produced any scholors? fine prove it?I can name u scholors after scholors produced by Pak, did u know banori town fatwa is considered even in Jamea azhar and in Saudia? Did u know the work done btween Iranian scholors and Pakistani scholors? Do u know Justice Taqi Usmani? Muftee muneeb? Have u heard of dr. Israr Ahmed?
Plz dun give false info. Pakistan has produced eminent schoolors in Islamic teachings. Maulana Muadudi’s deenyaat is consider a text book on Islam and is taught all over the world.
fauzia wahab on In session, sadar sahib nahi chahtey thai ke akailey boojh uthain (translation main sab ko phansana chahta tha) wat a brave prez we have lol
@ razakhan
I agree with your post, but the example’s you quoted are not so good.
Dr. Israr ahmed was recently banned on Qtv and you might be aware why it was done. And everyone is aware of Maulana Maudoodi’s comments about Prophet Muhammad(pbuh).
But even then scholars from all schools of thought must be respected, but when they give twisted interpretations of Islam, this act should be condemned.
Anyways Mufti Muneeb was a good example.
@ Amir Hameed
“We all know that we have not produced any scholars of Islam but Mullahs whose view are extremely narrowed”
You couldn’t be more wrong…
I know Saudi Arabia is pumping money into Pakistan, to promote their interpretation of Islam, but majority of Pakistani’s have not bought it.
@ razakhan
Did you catch the “Mubahisa” :p between hamid mir and Saeed ahmed jalalpuri in jang…
@urazzaq12
I dun know what objection u have on Maulana Maududi or dr. Israr, dun know what is QTV and its thier loss if they banned Dr. Israr. Once again if Ghamdi and liaqut amir can be on tv and not Dr. Israr is not we r ourselves to be blame.
If u talking abt the book fitna-e-mauduiyaat, i have read it and I can assure u that it was taken wayyyyyyyyyyyyyy out of context.
regarding Hamid Mir adn his mubahisa they all missing the point of contention by most uleman, including eminent quranic scholor, 1st prez of India abulkalam azad, that obtaining a country dun neccessarily means Islamic state. The points raised by ulema n what they said will happen has happened in Pak, so history stands corrected that they were right. With all thier reservations and objections they supported Muslim League becausse of personality and character of Quaid-e-azam, the same mullahs supported Mohaterima fatima ali jinnah for president against Ayub. It was the character of quaid and mohaterima fatima ali jinnah that amde them follow. Another point of contention was what quaid called meri jaib ke khotey sikkey.
Anyho thats a different debate but I suggest u read up the objections against Pak, and I confidently ask anyone to show even one thing that hasnt come true in today’s pakistan.
@razakhan said:
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…and we should trust ur interpretation of Islam?…
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What do you know about my interpretion of Islam? but you are willing to give fatwa on my believes. bravo!
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…U claim we haven’t produced any scholors? fine prove it?I can name u scholors after scholors produced by Pak, did u know banori town fatwa is considered even in Jamea azhar and in Saudia? Did u know the work done btween Iranian scholors and Pakistani scholors? Do u know Justice Taqi Usmani? Muftee muneeb? Have u heard of dr. Israr Ahmed?…
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Okay, so in a nation of 160 million people and in the last 60 years, we have successfully produced a handful of scholars!! wow, now that is an achievement that we should be proud of, especially considering that we are an Islamic Republic. As for Dr. Israr, I grew up listening to him and I always admired him for his knowledge and style of speech. But, when Imran Khan was getting married to Jamima, he gave a statement that how it was a Jews conspriacy and all that BS and for me, he lost the respect that I had for him because his hatred or prejudice clouted his judgement.
Plz dun give false info. Pakistan has produced eminent schoolors in Islamic teachings. Maulana Muadudi’s deenyaat is consider a text book on Islam and is taught all over the world.
You jumped the gun before reading my question, so read it again and give your opinion:
–…In the context of the Nizam-e-Adl, the question that what will be the qualification of the Qazis of the Qazi courts?…
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I was asking for the qualifications of the Qazis who will be running the Shariat courts and if you believe that the Talibans way of life is Shriah then I rest my case because there is nothing to argue here.
@urazzaq12 said:
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…You couldn’t be more wrong…
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I am open to your comments and criticism and listening if you have a point to make.
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I know Saudi Arabia is pumping money into Pakistan, to promote their interpretation of Islam, but majority of Pakistani’s have not bought it.
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I hate the Saudies, primarily because I believe that even though they hate the US but they do not have the balls to stand up to it and that they always use our shoulder to fire the guns. I agree with you that they have been pouring all the money into the country for a long time to promote their view but I have no regards for them.
@Amir Hameed
I just gave u some name there are many more scholors, so ur argument is mute.
Regarding what Dr. Israr said abt Imran and Jamaima is his personal opinion I dun have to agree with it. I dun agree with some of his explanations and some of his ideas dun mean his knowledge is any less he is still more knowledgeable then me., I wil just follow some other interpretation. U just pissed cuz he said something abt IK, what IK is Obama :the messiah” that noone cna said nething abt him? lol thats just show ur maturity.
To be qazi u dun need to be scholor of law, most cases they will be dealing are common sense cases, not some constitutional interpretation, as long as they not corrupt all well and good. Its the basic premise of judicial system, common sense is required for regular cases, the Islamic law in casses of zina, murder, inheritance is crystal clear, if they follow common sense rule of evidence then whats the problem. Surely they can’t do worst then last 60 yrs of Pak supreme court judges who gave us such wonderful gifts as nazarya-e-zarooriiyat:p
I have never given a fatwa I asked u qts if u can’t udnerstand that difference when there is a qts mark at the end of sentence I guess nothng to argue:p
A scholar who can not provoke your thought, is not a scholar.
Dr. Israr perhaps need another 40 years to bring results
The parroting is not the scholarship, it needs conviction & thought provoking philosophy.
Molana Maududi in a sense was a scholar, even without bringing results, at least he was thought provoking, he was among first few including Hasan Bana who interperet Deen in Quran in its true spirit
As we do not know much about our unsung hero Raja Sahib Mehmoodabad,we also do not know much about our another unsung hero Dr.Kalim Siddiqui, a true scholar.
Daily Guardian was honored to have an association with him.
Kalim Siddiqui was born in British India on September 15, 1931. His family were small land-owners in the United Provinces (now Uttar Pradesh), but his father worked as a sub-inspector of police. He first became politically aware and active as a teenager at boarding school in Faizabad in 1944-45. At this time, he became a student activist of the Muslim League during the Pakistan movement.
The Islamic symbolism the Muslim League used to mobilise the Muslim masses of India was one of the major attractions to him. He had received a six-volume set of Seerat-un Nabi by Shibly Nomani and Sayyid Sulaiman Nadwi as a gift from a teacher when he was 12, and considered the life and example of the Prophet as his inspiration from that time onwards.
He moved to Karachi in 1948, a few months after the partition of British India and the establishment of Pakistan. There his political maturity grew and he realized that the new State was little more Islamic than British India had been. As a student, he was active in a Khilafat Group dedicated to establishing khilafah in Pakistan, and founded and edited a popular political newspaper The Independent Leader.
http://www.israhaber.com/dr-kalim-siddiqui-607-news.html
@razakhan said:
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…U just pissed cuz he said something abt IK, what IK is Obama :the messiah” that noone cna said nething abt him?…
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What gave you the impression that I got pissed at Israr because he said something about IK? I was disappointed because his comments were illogical and clout his gudgement.
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…Its the basic premise of judicial system, common sense is required for regular cases, the Islamic law in casses of zina, murder, inheritance is crystal clear, if they follow common sense rule of evidence then whats the problem….
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The problem is that common sense is not used and has never been used and Mullah-ism is used instead. Do you think that if a boy and a girl want to get married against the wishes of their families then they should be gunned down becaus they “humiliated Islam”? If this is common sense then I don’t know what you call non-sense.
@jazoo
Raja sahib gave everything 4 pak and he couldn;t even spend his last days in pak, he lived in londo, shame on us, for treating our true heroes like this while the likes of gormani enjoyed miinisterships
didnt read kalim siddiqi will try getting his material so read must be thought very highly as two great scholors of Islam thought so high of him i.e allama shibli naumani and syed nidvi.
@ Amir Hameed
my answer to u is this
javad jahilaan bashad khamoshi
@razakhan,
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…javad jahilaan bashad khamoshi….
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Yeah right, I expected this from you because you had no “logical” answers.
After watching Live with Talat yesterday I got a clear impression that peace and stop of bloodshed now will come, why becuase these talibs will stop the bloodshed of hostage swati’s …. they will not give up arms and now start taking hostages to other places and do the same game …
@Amir Hameed
“Taleban ‘kill love affair couple’ ”
I saw this earlier in the day but did not post it but I knew it would make it’s way here. Was just curious as to how long it takes and who posts it.
1. I would like to point out clearly that this happened in Afghanistan (and not Swat).
2. Even if there were no Taliban, I doubt the outcome would have been different being where they were. Let us not enforce our morality/customs on these people. What would have been the punishment for the “crime” of “An unmarried young boy and an unmarried girl who loved each other and wanted to get married had eloped because their families would not approve the marriage” ? I know where I come from, some family members would probably killed them, fatwa or no fatwa, and without being under Taliban rule.
@nota,
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…Let us not enforce our morality/customs on these people….
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This is not about imposing our morality on the Swaties. Remember, there was an event a few months ago when a few girls were buried alive. Why was there a hue and cry; may be based on their custom, it was a justifiable act. Do you believe that the public flogging of the young girl (assume for a moment that the video was not fake) was an “Islamic” act?
My problem is that these people puts a label of “Islam” on every illogical act that they commit.
This is a good sign, apparently, our parliament has finally stood up & taken a decision which is anti-US. Though they had been arm-twisted by the Taliz and made to pass the bill
but still..
Deep down somewhere, i smell some consipracy. The way zardari threw the ball @ parliament & the way Kiyani has kept silent & been visiting Saudi king & NS disappearing from the scene as if he is out of town..all this seems to be a part of a bigger conspiracy in future.
I wonder what these guys are doing in U.A.E .. asfand yar wali, NS, Kiyani, & zardari is also reported to drop in.??
Are they preparing some sort of ground for future actions of U.S / India in this malakand division/ swat area ? Are they all key players or say ‘MOHRAY’ ?
Setting up the scene for U.S to step in say .. 8 to 10 months down the lane by giving us some shitty excuse?
I say.. if U.S sends one more drone to attack us.. pak army should respond ?
@ razakhan/z.b mustafa.
Thnx for your comments. It is nice to know that you both had time to understand my line of argument. I presume that’s what happens when we think & pay attention cool y & consider each others points of view in condescending manner.
I don’t see how people got the impression that Ghamidi sahib is somehow linked to Musharraf. In fact, during Mush’s time, he was one of his strongest critics, he even labeled his coup as high treason and ‘Gunah-e-Kabeera’ and thinks he should be tried under Article 6. Note that this is what he said during Mush’s time, at the peak of his power.
People here should really take a look at the following video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAP9DM8VTGc
All credit goes to ANP only!
its good to c finally our parliment did according to wish of swatis , thats good sign ,every
thing should b in parliment, people who r against this try to understand what is happening
in swat, if westerns gov can give rights of muslims in their country (even there is
hypocracy exists) why not peolple in pakistan have thier say, So thats what people in
swat wants, good luck , In democracy people power is every thing , i personally dont like
ZPP but Zardari done good work by listening people of swat.
Are we going back to 7th century?
@gv
I DO AGREE A BIT WITH U. IN PAST MUSLIMS DID THIS TO THEMSELVES, BUT CANT U SEE JEWS CHRISTIANS AND FOLLOWERS OF OTHER RELIGION TOO DID THE SAME PRACTICE. WE KNOW WE NEED IJTEHAD. WE NEED MORE SCHOLARS LIK DR ZAHEER AHMED AND GHAMIDI. WE HAVE TO OPEN OUR MINDS . I THINK ITS A LONG DEBATE WHAT IS SHARIAH LAW?? BUT RIGHT NOW WE HAVE TO BEND A BIT IN FRONT OF TALIBANDS. WHICH IS WRONG WE ALL KNOW, BUT OUR ARMY N GOVT IS NOT TAKING SERIOUS THIS PROBLEM THATS WHY THEY ARE GETTING WORSE. NO BODY REPLIED ME .WHAY OUR ARMY N GOVT IS NOT HANDLING THEM WITH FORCE N OTHER TACTICS?? WHAT IS THE TRUE REASON BEHIND ALL THIS??
I am glad Zardari took parliment on board. Its a temporary patch (I won’t even call it a fix). I am certain this won’t work. I am not surprised that this so called nizam e shariat is coming through force. Historically Islam spread by force. There is nothing peaceful about Islam (except the name) or for that matter any religion.
On one hand I am glad it is providing temporary peace to people in Sawat on the other hand I am worried it will agravate this militancy issue. All those who are praising this deal today will come out tomorrow and say what were they smoking? How can they ratify this crap under public pressure?
Politically I can understand why MQM opposed it. I do not approve or endorse every thing that MQM does but I commend them on this issue. Ayaz Amir’s opposition is much more meaningful and significant. He went out of the party line to oppose it. I salute him for that.
Excellent decision, finally NAR has been signed.
As much as I hate zardari, he was very smart in bringing the parliament into this, so that our liberal fascists, and the US, could not blame one party, and put pressure on pakistan about NAR.
Now, we know what the people of Pakistan want, since it was approved unanimously, with MQM abstaining.
This is the benefit of democracy. There isn’t one center of power. And now, who will the US pressurize? Not the whole parliament ha
Seems like many people are criticizing this Nizam-e-Adl Regulation without even bothering to read it.
Would these critics make an effort to actually read it (it is on top of this page) and then educate the rest of us how is it bad or against the constitution of Pakistan?
i just wondering what has happened to people.why we think every one is our enemy.hindus,chiristians jews all are our enemies.interestingly non believers are our friends.now just compare china,s muslims to indian muslims.then u will see the differience.india is the only non muslim country where muslims can live according to their religous customs.even a muslim man can marry more than one woman at a time.this is not allowed even in west.5% kota is allocated for muslims.this sort of kota is not even allocated inwestern countries.indian muslims had more rights than muslims living in muslims countries.if muslims are behind in india,blame goes to muslims.they want to stick with urdu.they dont want to learn english.they dont want thier women work outside with men.they want to live old traditional way.we muslims have the habit ,always blame others but never admit their own failures.
http://www.thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=172290
Agree with every word of this indian colonel……
shame on this napak army
@ Rasheed
yes the same Supreme Court that was jailed by a dictator but we Awam struggled long and hard for its supremacy.
i as a muslim dont have any problem with Shariat. But the way it has become a tool in the hands of the militant is not justified.we should have an open debate in the parliament to discuss whether we are ready for Shariah Laws. As Islamic laws are not only for punishment but also to teach us the way of life in all respect. i personally dont think that this bill will bring peace as you can see from the following ;
Sharia for other parts of Pakistan also: TNSM
Tuesday, 14 Apr, 2009 | 03:07 PM PST |
BATHKELA: The Tehrik Nifaz-i-Shariat Muhammadi (TNSM) said Tuesday that after Swat and Malakand, Sharia will be implemented in other parts of the country as well.
While talking to the media in Batkhela, the TNSM chief Sufi Mohammad said that the Taliban and TNSM will work alongside the government for the implementation of Sharia and will maintain peace in the region.
Sufi Mohammad also said he will not abolish the peace camp he established in Malakand and will continue the peace process in the Swat valley.
The TNSM chief added that once Sharia is implemented in Swat and Malakand it would soon after be extended to other parts of the country.
He also urged all TNSM loyalists to work towards furthering the peace process.
Earlier, Sufi Mohammad had welcomed the signing of Sharia bill as a positive sign.
I stress again , is this the real Shariat( in its true spirit) that they are trying to implement???
plus, the confession from the taliban spokesman that they will keep weapons for their defence. Defence from whom? from empty handed and helpless Awam????
another News;
Schisms surface in NA over Nizam-i-Adl
Tuesday, 14 Apr, 2009 | 04:10 PM PST |
ISLAMABAD: The implementation of Sharia law in Malakand came up for discussion in the National Assembly on Tuesday with a number of senior lawmakers raising concerns on the issue.
Former information minister Sherry Rehman Rehman said the manner and timing of implementation of Sharia in Malakand were matters of grave concern. She sought a guarantee for peace in the post-Nizam-i-Adl Swat and said the Taliban may not stop their inhuman practices such as the flogging of women.
Aftab Sherpao, leader of PPP-Sherpao and interior minister in the Musharraf government, said the government signed the agreement from a position of weakness. He expressed doubts if the peace deal would yield any positive results.
PML-Q MNA Marvi Memon said the Taliban are recruiting young people and advancing towards Islamabad.
Meanwhile, the Muttahida Qaumi Movement (MQM) continued its boycott of the National Assembly proceedings in protest against the Sharia in Swat.
Information Minister Qamruzzaman Kaira reacted to Ms Rehman’s reservations by saying that Sherry Rehman does not represent the 160 million people of Pakistan. He said there was nothing wrong with the Nizam-i-Adl regulation and that it was signed to stop the extremists from exploiting the issue.
Regarding the Taliban in Buner, he said the situation in that region is almost under control.
thoughts and suggestions please…
a humiliating reminder from across the border. http://thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=172290
Kiyani doob kay mar jaa…
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An open letter to Gen Kayani
View from the other side Col (r) Harish Puri
Tuesday, April 14, 2009
Dear Gen Kayani,
Sir, let me begin by recounting that old army quip that did the rounds in the immediate aftermath of World war II: To guarantee victory, an army should ideally have German generals, British officers, Indian soldiers, American equipment and Italian enemies.
A Pakistani soldier that I met in Iraq in 2004 lamented the fact that the Pakistani soldier in Kargil had been badly let down firstly by Nawaz Sharif and then by the Pakistani officers’ cadre. Pakistani soldiers led by Indian officers, , he believed, would be the most fearsome combination possible. Pakistani officers, he went on to say, were more into real estate, defence housing colonies and the like.
As I look at two photographs of surrender that lie before me, I can’t help recalling his words. The first is the celebrated event at Dhaka on Dec 16, 1971, which now adorns most Army messes in Delhi and Calcutta. The second, sir, is the video of a teenage girl being flogged by the Taliban in Swat — not far, I am sure, from one of your Army check posts.
The surrender by any Army is always a sad and humiliating event. Gen Niazi surrendered in Dhaka to a professional army that had outnumbered and outfought him. No Pakistani has been able to get over that humiliation, and 16th December is remembered as a black day by the Pakistani Army and the Pakistani state. But battles are won and lost – armies know this, and having learnt their lessons, they move on.
But much more sadly, the video of the teenager being flogged represents an even more abject surrender by the Pakistani Army. The surrender in 1971, though humiliating, was not disgraceful. This time around, sir, what happened on your watch was something no Army commander should have to live through. The girl could have been your own daughter, or mine.
I have always maintained that the Pakistani Army, like its Indian counterpart, is a thoroughly professional outfit. It has fought valiantly in the three wars against India, and also accredited itself well in its UN missions abroad. It is, therefore, by no means a pushover. The instance of an Infantry unit, led by a lieutenant colonel, meekly laying down arms before 20-odd militants should have been an aberration. But this capitulation in Swat, that too so soon after your own visit to the area, is an assault on the sensibilities of any soldier. What did you tell your soldiers? What great inspirational speech did you make that made your troops back off without a murmur? Sir, I have fought insurgency in Kashmir as well as the North-East, but despite the occasional losses suffered (as is bound to be the case in counter-insurgency operations), such total surrender is unthinkable.
I have been a signaller, and it beats me how my counterparts in your Signal Corps could not locate or even jam a normal FM radio station broadcasting on a fixed frequency at fixed timings. Is there more than meets the eye?
I am told that it is difficult for your troops to “fight their own people.” But you never had that problem in East Pakistan in 1971, where the atrocities committed by your own troops are well documented in the Hamoodur Rahman Commission Report. Or is it that the Bengalis were never considered “your own” people, influenced as they were by the Hindus across the border? Or is that your troops are terrified by the ruthless barbarians of the Taliban?
Sir, it is imperative that we recognise our enemy without any delay. I use the word “our” advisedly – for the Taliban threat is not far from India’s borders. And the only force that can stop them from dragging Pakistan back into the Stone Age is the force that you command. In this historic moment, providence has placed a tremendous responsibility in your hands. Indeed, the fate of your nation, the future of humankind in the subcontinent rests with you. It doesn’t matter if it is “my war” or “your war” – it is a war that has to be won. A desperate Swati citizen’s desperate lament says it all – “Please drop an atom bomb on us and put us out of our misery!” Do not fail him, sir.
But in the gloom and the ignominy, the average Pakistani citizen has shown us that there is hope yet. The lawyers, the media, have all refused to buckle even under direct threats. It took the Taliban no less than 32 bullets to still the voice of a brave journalist. Yes, there is hope – but why don’t we hear the same language from you? Look to these brave hearts, sir – and maybe we shall see the tide turn. Our prayers are with you, and the hapless people of Swat.
The New York Times predicts that Pakistan will collapse in six months. Do you want to go down in history as the man who allowed that to happen?
The writer is a retired colonel of the Indian army who lives in Pune. Email: hbpuri@hotmail.com
The concerns raised by Col (r) Harish Puri are legitimate and more than our politicians its the failure of our armed forces.
@ M Tarar,
Bro,thanks for sharing this open letter and its really thought provoking and at the same time..shameful for us as nation because our only respectful institution is also loosing its grip and due to its constant role in governance and all sort of businesses,they are unfortunately loosing their respect and professionalism.Wish our army learn from Indian Army,which never intruded into indian politics and democracy has flourished and india today is part of strongest 20 nations(G20).
It is wishful thinking though that our Army will not be intruding into politics but there is no harm to be hopeful.
@pak007
You have raised from good and legit questions.
@ Mtarar
we call indians our enemies ,but after reading this letter, we as a nation shud demand the same from kayani lik a retired colonel of indian army. its true stable pak is in favour of india. thanx for sharing mr tarar
the indians should first get they own house in order before they give this kind of advice, i hope they get rid of those lunatic’s first who killed a thousand people in gujrat a few years back.
to al who dun like the nifaz-e-adl and r so inlove with this indian letter why dun u all move to india:p jaan choro dafa ho lol
QAZI HUSSAIN AHMED (Retired Chairman JI) is free now and looking for a JOB.
Can some one consider his credentials for appointment as QAZI in swat.
@razakhan
All those who are in love with Nizam e adal pls first move to land of adal, Sawat, raise your families under Taliban rule and then spread Shariat.
@ razakhan
Yeah, it’s funny how some people are whining about the muqadas article written by retired indian colonel.
If that colonel is so sincere, then why doesn’t he just write a letter to his COAS or the PM and tell them to stop f**king around in Balochistan.
@georgebillo
will make him qzi of khi, mqm ke under tum logaan ke gunah buhat ho gaye hain lol
“1971 surrender was the price we Pakistani’s paid due to the Arrogance, selfishness ,pigheadedness and shortsightedness of our political elites and the Army brass. My best friend’s father spent many years in Indian camps and I experienced his pain along with him. One has to recognize that the great Bhutto family, even from their graves, they are a curse for Pakistan. holly father, the Son (murdered by the family)and the virgin from Urdu language and morality ”political marry”, the “Dasi Kutti Tay Walti Cheekaa”, Banzier Bhutto and now her criminally and literally insane’ “smiling baboon” husband and her demonic Son, in training from the enemies of Pakistan, Brest fed by the Neo-Satan Hussain Haqquni” and their grave worshipping goons and the MQM types in East Pakistan were the cause of the surrenders to the USSR, India the two largest countries and armies of the world. There is no shame to surrender, rather than continue the massacre of millions of your countrymen who wanted to be separated from an unnatural creation of two countries with more than 1000 miles of ocean in-between.
“But much more sadly, the video of the teenager being flogged represents an even more abject surrender by the Pakistani Army“.
Now the second part is hilarious, this Indian, cow urine drinking, cows and monkey worshipping occupier of Kashmir, should be ashamed of himself, what his kind are doing in India to several places and to all the minorities. This Hindu loony does not remember in Hyderabad riots, how the Hindu gangs in the protection of Indian government raped, burned, pillaged, gang raped women and children, and killed their loved ones in front of them. One recorded case the Hindu mob in the protection of Hindu police, gang raped a pregnant Muslim girl and the ripped her open and played soccer with her fetus.
I have attached a paragraph from Amnesty International USA report about 18-year-old Mubina Gani – Now this merciful, vegetarian, believer of non violence Col (r) Harish Puri
should go and fuck himself after reading this.
RAPE AND SEXUAL ABUSE:
Torture and Ill-treatment of Women in Detention
Just before midnight on 18 May 1990 a bus carrying 27 members of a family wedding party approached a roadblock manned by soldiers of the Border Security Forces (BSF) near Badasgam village in Kashmir, India. As the bus rolled to a halt, the soldiers opened fire, killing the bridegroom’s brother and wounding at least nine others, including the bride – 18-year-old Mubina Gani – and her husband. “We lay down under the seats and pretended to be dead,” she said. “After the shooting they came inside and started to beat everyone.” Some of the soldiers dragged the new bride and her heavily-pregnant aunt into a nearby field. “We were crying bitterly. I told them that I had not yet seen my husband. But they didn’t listen. They took off our clothes…and then we were raped. Four to six men raped me, I think.” Suffering from shock and gunshot wounds, Mubina Gani was taken away and held in military custody for 48 hours. Indian officials initially claimed that the bus had accidentally been caught in a cross-fire. However, the Superintendent of the Anantnag police later confirmed that the BSF had fired on the bus indiscriminately and that the two women had been gang-raped. Four BSF soldiers were apparently suspended from duty, but no further legal or disciplinary action appears to have been taken.
http://www.amnestyusa.org/document.php?lang=e&id=4FBAFB18141BB186802569A600601C5F
MQM kaliya we reject sharai bill. aab shariyaat maulana altaf sikhaingain lol
mqm don’t care either way, they probably want some more ministires.
lol the creepy crawlies are out showing their strength again. the indian colonel’s letter has been like rain to these worms. someone should pack them up and gift them to bharat mata. they dont belong here in a Muslim country.
and MQM munafiqs have officially become murtads after opposing Shariah. they should also be packed off and sent off to either india or if the UK is willing to accept them, they should be sent to Kali charan. but who will collect bhatta in Pakistan to finance Altaf’s lifestyle in London then?
@Traffic
Granted on MQM…lolz.
Yes bhatta job can be given to Nazir Naji, Abbass Ather and all other lifafa journos who will be out of work after their masters back off.
I don’t think UK wants more rubbish after accepting Kali Charan who has already polluted the North West of London with his stinky presence..yuckkkkkkk.
Those who think usa has best interst of Pakistan
http://www.thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=172292
@razakhan
Hey Raza whats up?
Iss jahan mein bewaqoofon ki kumi nahi…
I will say that if this law brings justice and peace in the region its not a big deal. but there are some problems like the state have let down in the front of arms but if talibans leaves there armes then it will be an achievement, but we musnt get army out of the region even if the peace is installed, and we should halt talibans from growing and spreading to other areas like BUNEER, and police and army should take action against them.
in seconde option we must rapidly grow our POLICE give them arms, train them against terroristes, this must be done immediately,army is not trained to operate inside the country and they cant, no army can and operate inside the country, no where in the world, so our POLICE should be made capable of doing things alone, if they need some backup from army thats ok, but if we want that police should stay behind and back army this wont work at all,, the gov should immediately transfer our defence budget into interior or even half of it. when our police WILL BE strong we will be able to demantel and destroy terroristes save heavens.
@ “dumb-o-crate”. I don’t know how many Indian Muslims you have come across in your miserable existance but I have come across a few and I can tell you of one of my Indian Muslim friend. We used to argue on the merits of creation of Pakistan till the day of Babri Mosque demolition. That day he came up to me and appologised profusely for having argued with me for years and he said something that has summed it forever for me “NOW WE WILL HAVE TO CREATE ANOTHER PAKISTAN IN INDIA”.
As usual Nota’s link of Shabana Azami incidence is an eye opener for those who keep their head in a dark hole!
@Traffic
who died and made you the dispenser-in-chief of certificates of patriotism? I’m a kaafir/liberal fascist/creepy crawlie and Pakistan is my homeland. I don’t have to have your permission to have an opinion on the affairs of my country.
one doesn’t have to be a retarded beardo to qualify as a Pakistani. so, go shove your beard and Islam up your behind. I don’t give a flying flux…
Pakistan is a Islamic state and should be governed by Sharia. But not people from Madarsa who are not qualified to implement Sharia.
If Swat is a part of Pakistan then assembly should have taken the responsibility of imposting the pure Sharia by the elected members of parliament.
But unfortunately the champions of judiciary PLMN and CJ Iftekhar Ahmed both are quite on this matter and they can not excercise their authority in Swat.
The next step would be to give liberation to Baluchistan in the name of Baluchi rights then Pakistan would be shrinking to Punjab and Sindh only.
God help us and save Pakistan from corrupt leaders.
Any one has any bright ideas?
1. Army and intelligence can triangulate and pinpoint Bugti from a sat phone intercept in a cave, a CAVE mind you, in Kohlu, but can’t find Mulla FM’s transmitter?
2. People, ORDINARY people from Buner surround and fight the Taliban intruding from Swat, the whole media carries the news, and NO ONE from the ARMY/GOVERNMENT comes to help?
3. Most of you are bashing each other or personalities and not concentrating on the issue.
WHO CONDUCTED A REFERENDUM IN SWAT AND CONCLUDED THAT 90% PEOPLE WANT SHARIA/NIZAM-E-ADL IMPOSED ON THEM BY GUN TOTTING BEARDED YAHOOS?
4. A couple of hundred thugs bring the largest Muslim army, supposedly the 4th-5th best army to its knees. So how exactly do they plan to fight a million strong indians?
@tauqeer akbar,after lal mosque incident u should,nt talk about babri mosque.u know how many schools,how many churches and how many mosques and tombs were burnt in pakistan.u even cannt count.indians are friends.india pakistan zinda baad,insaniat kai dushman murda baad
@ Mutazalzaluzzaman Tarar
you have a really rotten personality. If your outside is as ugly as your inside, you are bu.tt a$$ ugly !!!
And don’t bother replying, cuz I ain’t got no cow-pi$s to appease ur kaali maata.
By this agreement we just to prove the west that Islam was spread with sword. As per littile knowledge of Islam, all the prophets brought the Islam through preach. If doubt please check Surah Al-Asr.
@The Giant Squid
First of All give yourself a sensible and a decent Title so that people reading your article could make something out of it. Your comments are just as stupid as your name title.
Secondly Zardari is a root cause of ALL THIS MESS, because He continued with Musharraf policies and have allowed American to continue with the Drone Attacks. As you said most of us are bashing each other on personalities…………..
Try to understand it is the personalities who create the issues and problems……and the biggest problem we got on hand is Z A R D A RI.
Salam to all brothers and sisters
I have an advise for DR Amir Liaqat to stop his ALIM ONLNE program it is not needed becasue all the Ulama are Here on this Form
Look how these Ulma on this form Enterpret ISLAM
those who are oppsing this bill should not cross the limit e,i critisize Islam ot its Law
One thing is Cleare If we See All the points Shown above are imposed, if it is the right version pass in NA yesterday, then there will be Peace and writ of govt as well/
@urazzaq12
boy, you too are welcome to shove your beard up your behind. inshallah and mashallah…
@The Giant Squid,
The Tehreek-e-Nifaaz-e-Shariyat in Swat and Malakand started from 70s and there were no guns involved at that time. Repetitive broken promises by government made this mess.
Mushie sent all Army it could to fix the problem with gun, and it did not work. The ultimate solution is political.
Secondly, haven’t you seen the news where thousands of Swati protesters have come out in street in favor of the above peace agreement. How can you dare to speak on behalf of people of Swat that they don’t want this?
@TheGiant Squid said:
You said strong indian
same as 1965
all these people who are saying against this shria law.
Definately they are against the islamic sharia law in pakistan.
They are saying its sharia of taliban.., if they can contribute in it, why they are not pointiing out the things constructive things of sharia islam instead of going totally against shariat.
This ILTAF of MQM is ghdaar…… ARY is also gone in these list.
allah help kare allah is agreement ko successfull kary
@rasheed – Re: The Giant Squid
I have already given him a bolllocking……….pls read my reply above.
I am trying to post a comment which is not comming up on board. Is it a whole sale issue of just me ?
@munna
I think there is a issue with YOU…………… start praising Zardari—day and night, start praising policies of Peoples Party and make sure that every time you mention Bhutto’s you MUST add Shaheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeed with it. Show disrespect to Qazi Sahib and keep praising Musharraf and Zardari and keep saying Ya NRO Ya NRO Ya NRO thousand times every day.
Inshallah there will no be any more moderation of your comments and they will be put on board promptly. You must understand there is democracy in our Country and every one has the right of free speech……and that’s why these comments are appearing on Board. You see………….
@swat yosufzai said:
“same as 1965″
Same as 1971.
@A Mehmood
I add to your duaa………..Ameen suma Ameen.
Let’s give it a try……….ask those who have lost loved ones in this senseless killings.
@Muazalzaman…Tarar – posted/5.09pm
I do not see anything wrong with your comments but your reply to Urazaaq12……’boy, you are welcome to shove your beard up your behind………’ does leave a bad taste. Take it easy man……Let’s not move away from the main topic we are discussing here.
Baluchi, I have put up with a lot of abuse on this forum. and now I am going to pay people back in the same coin. seems like this is the only language understood around here.
Dear All,
please find the links below and decide on your own.Think who is right and who is wrong? who should be punished and who should get immunity? It seems even the taliban millitants are getting DIPLOMATIC IMMUNITY and a possible pardon under NRO!!
1) Militants enjoy immunity from law: TNSM
ISLAMABAD: The chief of Tehrik Nifaz-i-Shariat-i-Muhammadi came up with an audacious interpretation of the Nizam-i-Adl regulation on Tuesday, asserting that the law would protect militants accused of brutal killings from prosecution.
shocking isnt it? i nearly jumped on the sofa.click the link for the full report;
http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-library/dawn/news/pakistan/swat-deal-gives-taliban-immunity-sufi-ts?pagedesign=Dawn_PrintlyFriendlyPage
2) Taliban gun down three ‘accused’ in Kohat
KOHAT: Local Taliban killed three men who were accused of assaulting an eight-year-old boy and threw their bodies in Arakhel square in the Kohat Frontier Region on Monday.
A Taliban spokesman said the ‘accused’ had admitted before their shura and tribal elders to have assaulted the boy. The shura sentenced them to death before a firing squad.
The Taliban had announced last month that they would enforce religious laws in the region.
3) March of the Taliban
ON Saturday, March 11, a convoy of 10 double-cabin four-wheel drive pick-up trucks loaded with Taliban armed with every description of portable weapons – Kalashnikovs, rocket launchers, heavy machine guns – drove from Daggar the headquarters of Buner district to the villages of Sohawa and Dagai in Buner.
It entered Swabi district at Jhanda village, drove through the district headquarter (the town of Swabi), drove on to the motorway, exited at Mardan, drove through the cantonment of Mardan and, showing their weapons for all to see, went on towards Malakand.
In doing the above, the Taliban broke many laws of the state of Pakistan not least those that prohibit the possession of heavy weapons; showing weapons publicly and so on.
a must read, follow the link;
http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-library/dawn/the-newspaper/columnists/kamran-shafi-march-of-the-taliban?pagedesign=Dawn_PrintlyFriendlyPage
dear pakistanis!!
wakeupproject.com!
Sufi wants Sharia in rest of Pakistan
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BATHKELA: The Tehrik Nifaz-i-Shariat Muhammadi said Tuesday that after Swat and Malakand, Sharia will be implemented in other parts of the country as well. …
…. The TNSM chief added that once Sharia is implemented in Swat and Malakand it would soon after be extended to other parts of the country. He also urged all TNSM loyalists to work towards furthering the peace process….
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lo, hun kar lao gal!!!
Guys .. Pakistan is F***D with this.
1. Notice the absurdity .. Taliban would denounce (not renounce) suicide bombers!
2. No date for turning heavy weapons .. it could be after they take over rest of the country
3. No restrictions on women working — but nothing said about them leaving home alone !
This is not an agreement – it’s a shameless willful surrender of the national sovereignty – it’s affects will be evident in the days ahead.
This is not a peace process .. but a “piece” process — piece by piece Taliban will control Pakistan.
my views.
- Taliban are also Muslim(except very few who might be external agents), human beings, Pakistani(majority) so we should treat them with respect and care, but at the same time no one could be allowed to force or propagate his/her own designed Islam. It is work of Scholars to define Islam and not of Talibans or Liberals or any other!
- I have time and again mentioned this point that Taliban should be handled carefully and best way to deal them is by their regular interaction with learned and sincere scholars of Islam. If someone thinks that they could be handled through cheating then he/she is playing with fire as cheating gets exposed one day. Let the Scholars of Islam sit with them and talk openly.
- It is good to have peace and also rules/regulation which bring peace but it also does not mean that anyone one gets total free hand! Taliban and everyone else are not beyond Law of Allah. Taliban want to solve every problem through force which is definitely not the way of Islam! We really need to make sure that Taliban are not being used by any enemy against us!
- As Muslims Shariah is the way of rule for us and if Taliban want to bring this system then they are most welcome but first they will have to talk to the people and scholars to convince if their way is really Islamic! Not everything could be Islamic! Bring the Taliban to light, let them talk and bring their points in front of the people, it will show what really their motive and goal is!
- Our faiths and actions should be so strong that Taliban or any other could not dictate us for anything wrong but our rulers are so weak in this regard that they are unable to take even little pressure. They sit in beautiful and comfortable offices but want to solve the problems in Swat and other areas, and that mostly result in an extreme and wrong conclusion or decision!
- As a good solution Taliban should be asked to talk to scholars and that must be done as quickly as possible. They should neither be sidelined nor should be given total free hand! There are some elements who want to that there be misunderstandings and conflicts so people need to remain careful.
- In any case peace deals should be encouraged.
@ Zaheer
talibans caanot be rated as Pakistanis! they are not even worthy of calling themselves humans. they can be called ” creatures” in my opinion.a human being and a muslim cannot slaughter a fellow human being regardless of his/her religious belief.all these creatures should be punished and sentenced according to the True Shariat and Pakistani Laws. i challenge these “creatures” (if they are so Islamic and their hands are clean) to face charges and stand trial in the Supreme Court of Pakistan.
did i mention they are claiming to have an immunity against any possible prosecution!!
Paksitani constitution promises the implementation of shariah. It requires the government to implement Islamic edicts in the country. The difference is that the right to interpret shariah vests with the parliament.
During the last ten years we have seen a complete reversal of this role of the government. Instead of implementing shariah, steps have been taken to remove its influence from the state. This is in contravention of the constitution. Either the constitution should be changed or it should be implemented.
The mob rule we are seeing today is the result of the unwillingness of successive governments to implement constitution. Constiitution is the manifestation of aspiration of people. This deliberate abrogation of constitution has created an environment in which groups of vigilantees have taken things into their own hand imposing their own brands of shariah.
The secular ‘elite’ governing thsi country needs to realize that they cannot continue in this state of denial. Pakistan cannot be made a secular nation against the express wish of the overwhelming majority of Pakistanis. The constitution needs to be implemented in letter and spirit. This is the only way to stop this blight of extremism.
@Adonis
totally agree.
Awesome article by Dr. Shahid:
http://www.jang.net/jm/4-15-2009/pic.asp?picname=05_07.gif
The last Paragraph is a must read.
@Adonis
Is bowing to guns going to stop or encourage “extremisim”.
If Constitution does promise Shariat – then why did Zia issue ordinances ? There is a flaw in your understanding of law and constitution.
The argument is not Islam or Shariat — it’s goondagardi, it’s acceptance under the guise of religious tolerance.
Who is going to defend killing people and leaving their bodies to rot in the name of Islam?
Who believes that Pakistani Army that claims they are better than 1 Million Indian Army can’t root out 5,000 nut jobs?
Pakistani Army has found it convenient not to fight these guys in the name of failed strategic policies – this will only hurt the country further.
Average person who supports these in name of Islam are playing with fire. Don’t encourage morons like Imran Khan – he is the same Imran who was distributing mithai when Musharaf took over.
NWFP govt must protect human rights in Swat: Sherry
http://thenews.jang.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=21522
I wonder why she did not speak in the parliament and preferred to stay quiet.
For the sake of ‘justice’
http://thenews.jang.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=172493
I am sure that if this article is read by the Talibans, this poor chap would either be labeled as a “Kafir” or killed.
@Admin
Mutazalzaluzzaman Tarar has a right to abuse anyone he wants but he shouldn’t be allow to abuse Islamic symobol of beard,. Beard is a sunnah and his swearing at beard is getting way out of hand. I dun believe in this freedom of speech, and he should learn to make his arhument without insulting to Islam.
@Adonis
Bravo, thats wat I have been saying, lets implement 1973 constitution fully and negotiate a new deal with FATA and SWAT where they become instead of territories administered by federal govt a full fledge province. Otherwise no peace deal with accomplish anything and while we at it time to distance ourselves from USA and reevaluate our foriegn policy.
The way shias consider Hazrat Ali and his family their personal property,exactly the same way Taliban consider Shariah…Are we not responsible for this disaster? Have we not given the impression that we are against Shariah? We oppose Taliban Laws NOT Shariah…..
there’s something about daaktars in Pakistani politics… be it Babar Awan, that MQM badmaash Aamir Liaqat or this daaktar Shahid Masood Qiyamati – every single one is for sale. some are more expensive than others though.
so, the following is dedicated to pseudo-journalist and analyst-for-rent daaktar Shahid Masood Qiyamati:
aik ropaa… aik ropaaa…
do dhar wala bacha dekho…
bandar ka tamaasha dekho
aik ropaa… aik ropaaa…
fraudia daaktar dekho…
pseudo-journalist dekho
aik ropaa… aik ropaaa…
do ropaay day kay apni marzee ka article likhwaa lo…
teen ropaay day kay apni shaadi per bulwaa kay nachaa lo… with jhankaar…
aik ropaa… aik ropaa…
http://sheddy73.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/shahid-masood1.jpg
“Haqueeqat said:
@Adonis
Is bowing to guns going to stop or encourage “extremisim”.
If Constitution does promise Shariat – then why did Zia issue ordinances ? There is a flaw in your understanding of law and constitution.”
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Zia issued ordinances because he had suspended the constitution and there was no parliament at the time.
As for my understanding of law and constitution, I am sure that you are an expert on law and cosntitution. So would you care to enlighten me where is the flaw in my understanding?
@M TARAR
THERE ARE GOOD PPL IN PAK. N DR SHAHID IS ONE OF THEM .GOVT WAS TRYIBG TO MAKE HIM CONTROVERCIAL. BUT STILL HE IS MOST POPULAR AMONG PAKISANIS. NO DOUBT HIS ANALYSIS IS OUTSTANDING. HAVE U ANY PRSONAL PROBLEM WITH DR?? IF NO PLZZZ STOP POSTING SUCH COMMENTS N DONT WASTE THIS FORM. AND IF YES GO TO DUBAI AND SAY ALL THIS IN FRONT OF HIM IN HIS OFFICE ..IF U HAVE COURAGE
@Amir Hameed
I think that is a cheap shot at Taliban.
But thanks for giving me the opportunity to talk about something that I have been meaning to talk about but forgot. This article too repeats one of the favourite lines of anti-Talibs always use in their attempt “put them down” as “Jahils” of sort:
Ever consider maybe there are some legs to this belief?
There concern is nothing new and the same has been expressed for years all over Africa (e.g. read Polio Vaccination and Population Control: Some Food for Thought, Polio Vaccine in Banglorek and Kano link, Nigeria Still Fighting False Rumors About Polio Vaccine, )
And are you aware (the Taliban aren’t) that it is widely accepted that Oral Polio Vaccine (OPV) CAN cause poliomyelitis i.e. polio (and some believe today it is the leading cause of polio). And are you aware that OPV IS NOT USED in France, Germany, Canada and USA, Scandinavian coun-
tries and The Netherlands because of it’s safety issues alone?
Never been curious about it, have you? Ever wonder Who certified that OPV was safe for the rest of the world, and when? is an excellent question to ask, isn’t it??
@nota
ur wasting time mate, these not the talking points issued to them by usa and india lol – All prooblems r simple, black and white there are never grey areas and other person point of view must be rejected cuz what do they know stupid talibaan lol.
Anyho lets get back to teh topic guys, I think Adonis made a very good post, I think we should all return to basics, I dun see this peace deal standing up until unless we make fundamental change i,e constitutional restoration and new deal with FATA and swat couple with ofcoz bye bye to yankee morons
@ syed1508
Pakistan is a Islamic state and should be governed by Sharia. But not people from Madarsa who are not qualified to implement Sharia.
Do you think people who governed pakistan in last 60 years they were qualified?
Health , Education , Justice system , security for civilian , Drone attacks, Balouchistan BLA , Kashmir , Fata , Swat, Karachi killing/burnings and now Lahore attacks , this shows totaly failure of ‘Qualified People’ in all fields , in this country people need long march against ‘elected govt’ to restore free judiciary. lolz
Please try to understand why Taliban are getting growing papularity in ordinary people.
@razakhan
“I think Adonis made a very good post”
Fully agree
@nota
polio vaccines is believed to gave birth of HIV, no doubt contents are changed now.
In UK, children are vet with MMR vaccination and there is a lot of controversy association with it also. A lot of parents are saying no to it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MMR_vaccine_controversy
The problem is in our social order. We don’t trust politations. Taliban and other fundamentals are just a by product of it.
Our police system don’t work neither do our justice system. Elite is corrupt, Our parliamentarians can not take decisions at there will. They wail orders either from Presidency or from Jati omra. They only act on peoples wishes when Army forced them to do. With 85 minister in federal cabinet they are discussing more inductions. We don’t have any national interest, PPP govt are treating us as an impotent and pimps in world arena and then we are thinking that we can going to get rid of Taliban. For me both are same, One kills on the name of religion and other sells our souls on the basis of national interest. We need a social order. I am proud to be Muslim and Pakistani. Change is bound to happen, its upto us either to resist to it or become part of it.
One of my friend mention something like western laws are driven from Quran I respect his believes, but I dare not to agree with them. Archbishop of Canterbury purposed to implement Islamic laws in UK last year with one reason of “they are Just” btw This implementation was on top of Muslim Sharia courts and the Jewish Beth Din which already exist in the UK. More or less its Jirga or PANCHAYAT in Pakistan
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7232661.stm
@JavedKhan
Day aur dil un ko jo na day mujh ko zubaaN aur
Ansar Abbasi in his narrow minded wahabi shell started to see something good in Zardari.
Ansar Abbasi thinks Zardari plesantly stunned the nation with his good move.
This wahabi did not bother to see other angle of story.
Zardari to please American has repeatedly told these extremist are killer of his wife and not only in Pakistan but all over the world, a strong opinion exist that Zardari is behind killing of his wife, so
Ansar Abbasi should not be pleasantly stunned if he had been keeping in mind that this President already in collaboration with these extremists to allegedly have his wife killed.
Mr. Adonis
No need to find anything wrong in agreement
Everything is wrong with parties involved
@nota,
I respect your views but some time i contradict them too. I could not get few things
1. why democracy is haram? where it is written?
2. how in islam a Khalifa must be choosen, by majority vote? or by gun point?
3. In Islam if sharia government misinterprete law of islam and some one objects that, what will be the process to raise the issue, is there a way in talibs where,is there any scholar council there who will listen to you argable ?
Rest will follow but i will keep my question simple and precise for people here to make it easy.
@munna
“@nota
polio vaccines is believed to gave birth of HIV, no doubt contents are changed now. In UK, children are vet with MMR vaccination and there is a lot of controversy association with it also. A lot of parents are saying no to it….”
Certainly. There are many other horror stories that I did not touch upon (BTW: I am a strong anti-childhood-vaccine guy, and I did not get my own kids vaccinated …)
Regarding MMR: Just want to add: Before MMR: Autism almost non-existant; Since MMR: Autism sky-rocketing. Draw your own conclusions.
And do read this “rant” by Talib by the name of Robert Kennedy Jr. in the Talib Journo called Rolling Stones. And here is a more recent one.
(I know some doctors are going to get on me for this…)
@supercreature
Lemme get this right abt democracy where it says simply put govt of the ppl, by the ppl, for the ppl, in that sense watever ppl decide how they would like to be govern and by whom is democracy (plz correct me if am wrong). Under Islamic idea of govt, ppl dun decide which laws to be govern under, as ALLAH has already prescribed what law i.e sharia law. So the soverignity belongs to ALLAH SWT not the ppl.
Agar tum par ek nakta habshi ghulam bhi musallat kar diya jaey aur voh tumhain ALLAH ke bataey hoey rastey par lay kar chaley tum oski Itaat karna – Last sermon of Prophey PBUH .
Lemme put it this way, under democracy’s majority rule, tom if 99% of Pak population decides that alcohol should made legal, it dun change the fact that alcohol is haram and drinking is punishable under Islamic law. So once again what ppl want doesn’t matter when it comes to Islamic law they have to obey if they are muslims, if they not then they free to live according to thier faith.
What democracy in Islam is what Quran explains as shura i.e govt of Muslims should be run by consent and advise, what we call mashura. Consent is mentioned by bait in old days today will be through elections. advise i.e mashura will be parliment and President (Kaliph) will take advise but is not bound by that advise. The best example of Khliafah is the idea of US govt structuure (plz note that I am not saying hwo it is running or ran but how its suppose to be where executive, legislative and judicial barnces are seperate and indepent).
How to address the difference of islamic interpretations, is to be done by Parliment when the make law and reviewed by judiciary. So say e.g Talaq = 3 talaq at one time is talaq complete(hanafi)or dun matter how many talaq in one setting will consider still one talaq(shafi, shia etc). Parliment will choose which talaq process they want to make the law, where then populace will have to obey that law (again with personal religious belief taken into consideration e.g shia wont be forced to acccept something thats not in thier fiqh) and judiciary job is to interpretate this law.
The electiosn are neccessary cuz except zakat Islam dun mention any taxes, and one need taxes to run govt, and without represenatation there can’t be any taxation. Then the election process has to be strigent. No tom dick and harry can stand in elections and win it cuz he has more money then his opponent. Any candidate has to fullfill the basic criteria of a good muslim i.e He appears to be good muslim, not a liar cheat a charlatan, of a good character, is known by the ppl of his area etc etc. This is to stop someone who dun believe in a system or use cheating or money or power base to get into the parliment or to get power.
I can really go on but am trying to keep it simple and ofcoz thier are many nussiance in criteria to be a candidatee and much more qts we need a seperate discussion 4 that. But I hpe am able to give u a general overview.
Why I think Zionist powers behind this deal
This is always the policy of Zionist think tank to make the war without being part of it.
That means do not fight the war but exploit the rival factions to fight each other.
When two rival factions fighting each other and both are enemy or not friendly with USA, they will make sure none is victorious, so they keep balance of power among fighting factions.
Make no mistake Taliban are weakest party in Pakistan because it is not Afghanistan.
Pak Army can root them out within days but to do so they need permission of Masa.
Masa is out there to break this country, it does not suit Masa to finish Taliban, a flourishing & prospering Pakistan is not in their favor.
@ Javed Khan,
1. My title has got nothing to do with the content of my response. Please read it again. It is simple English.
2. Zardari is not the ROOT CAUSE of the problem, however he is part of the problem. So I do agree partially. Actually it is the Generals who are the ROOT CAUSE of our problems.
An old friend once quipped that in in Pakistan, no General should retire, so as soon as you make anyone a General, you should hand him over to a firing squad. A bit extreme, but I do see the point.
3. There were no Drone Attacks is Swat, EVER. So please don’t confuse one with the other. FATA is a separate issue.
4. If Entity A kills the family of Entity B living in Area B1, how does that give the Entity A to attack area C1? Or to kill the family of A1, C1, D1 — Z1?
5. wtf is bollocking?
@Rasheed,
1. You have raised an interesting historical point. Can you please cite your source about the movement from 70s?
2. I have heard from you that thousands of Swatis have come out. I disagree that they were in favour of this peace deal. Most of them, if not all of them, including the Maulvis have not even read this agreement. They have come out just because there is a ceasefire. And they want to get on with their lives. When these b@st@rds of Taliban started their attrocities and the army was first moved in, they showered the army with rose petals, or have you forgotten conveniently. It is the incompetence/unwillingness of the army to do the job that has caused this stalemate. So yes, I DARE !
@Swat Yousufzai,
What about 1965? Are you suggesting that 1965 was a victory? Do you really believe what the text book boards publish for our children’s digestion? I suppose you also believe the myth that it was India that started the war?
@razakhan
What is Islami Jhamoori Pakistan ?
You put government by the people for the people, under Islamic laws isnt?
ofcourse under your definination the defination of Pakistan is wrong? it has a haram element associated with it…. isnt?
kindly be brave enough to answer my other 2 questions instead of just first one.
@razakhan
You are trying to be complex and loosing in the middle, creating many question in your own, who will decide the a Right Candidate for election? would that athority be a dictator or a elected one? Govt job is not just to collect Zakat and distribute…
Kindly stay simple and straight
@pak007 said:
“talibans caanot be rated as Pakistanis! they are not even worthy of calling themselves humans. they can be called ” creatures” in my opinion.”
I think it is also an extreme opinion. Taliban (majority) are muslims and all of them are human beings, although there are some problems in their way and thinking. If they at first are labeled as creatures instead of Muslims and Human beings then they will react abruptly, i think any person would react abruptly at such a label! To reach the heart and mind of a person it is necessary that he/she should be respected and cared of! and Taliban are very tough/rigid mentally and physically so they should be changed through love and reasoning and not by force. I don’t think they will bow down to force ever!
“a human being and a muslim cannot slaughter a fellow human being regardless of his/her religious belief.”
It is true, a Muslim will not kill another Muslim! Allah Almighty in Quran has mentioned displeasure at such an act in extremely strong words!! Yes a Muslim is also not allowed to kill innocents of any other religion! BTW do you know there are groups in Pakistan who have been equally brutal but they try to present themselves as liberals, enlightened and moderates!
“all these creatures should be punished and sentenced according to the True Shariat and Pakistani Laws. i challenge these “creatures” (if they are so Islamic and their hands are clean) to face charges and stand trial in the Supreme Court of Pakistan.”
Well, it will be ideal if people are Judged fairly but to achieve that goal is not easy! We still as Muslims are weak at faith, understanding and practice of Islam and without that problems will not get fixed.
- In my opinion there are some elements in Pakistan and outside who are supporting Taliban, and they not doing it for the sake of Allah Almighty or Islam, rather they are doing it for their own vested/dirty interests.
- Never be fooled by Mr. Zaradari and Co. he is playing game of others and is making his ground for further attacks on Pakistan. He is trying to develop a trust and good name, but in reality he is opposite. Natures don’t change and that too at such an old age!
- There is very much possibility that among Taliban are agents of enemies who provoke them for violent actions and force by convincing them that it is will of Allah. That is the reason why i say that this problem needs to be tackled very carefully and intelligently! Don’t trust on external factors and don’t be emotional in the name of Islam/Shariah. This is a trap to make us fight with each other, to hurt Muslims, as our enemies know that only way to break us is by internal strife!
my opinion.
@supercreature
I gave u examples and tried to give u an overview of democracy as explained today and democracy as explained by Islam.
Aey Nabi, tumharee jaan ki qasam yeh os waqt tak musalmaan nahi bun saktey jab tak yeh os cheez se na ruk jain jis se tum inko rok do aur maan lain os cheez ko jis ki tum inhain ijazat day do (Al-Quran Paraphrasing aaya)
even after such a clear authority given by ALLAH swt, Prophet PBUH always consulted with sahaba on almost every matter except what has been prescribed, so democracy has been taught to us by Prophey PBUH and sahaba’s subsequent govt till it became malookiyaat instead of Khilafat. I hope now u clear abt what am saying abt democracy.
I dun understand bro wat u mean by defination of pak is wrong sorry could u plz clarify? If u mean currently the way we running the govt and the prresent laws we have, then yes there is element of haram in it, I will give u one specific example, forget that the govt dun establish salat, or do lot of islamic thing etc etc I will give u 2 specific example.
In Quran when the inheritance laws have been described, the whole thing ends with the verse, “Aur yeh ALLAH ki banai hoi hudain hain inkey qareeb bhi nahi phatakna”, this is serious warning to us that inheritance should be divided as has been prescribed to us by ALLAH SWT, and what does this govt do it has estate taxes, where in Quran the state has become an inheritee of a deceased? we r in clear violation of ALLAH’S order. 2nd alcohol is sold in Pakistan to non-muslims under law(4get that all muslims could get it too, and 4get why should it even be allowed) and govt charge tax on that, when alcohol is haram so tax on that is haram too, so yes there are elements of haram in the current state but that dun mean the govt is haram for simple quranic principle that once a govt is established then for sake of peace change it with dawa 1st and lastly with khurooj.
As for who will decide the correct candidate is ofcoz an independent election commissionar or panel who will be given the law and regulation and will judge accordingly and will have the same appeal process except taht laws will have teeths and best effort will be make to stop corrupt ppl from taking the power.
I just answered ur qts b4 and am answering it now bro, so if u need a specific answer feel free to ask, i wasn’t trying to muddle the queries just trrying to answer u to the best of my ability.
I tried to compare Islam and Democracy!
http://www.scribd.com/doc/7564226/Islam-and-Democracy
can someone guide me that what type of Sharia is this, Is it pure Islamic or some traditional things are included as well?
just to clarify who ever is quoting of Rasool Karim SAW saying kay agar Fatima RA bhi chori karay tu unkay hath kat diya jain ,, That was said in the background of welfare state where you provide food shelter justice and everytihng and then if someone still doesnt mend his ways then there is punishment for him and same like in other scenarios but who ask for repent and mercy i think Muhammad SAW have showed it with many examples i hope we learn from that as well .
@zaheer
May ALLAH reward you 4 this good work excellent composition to the point and true reflection of islamic political system.
@zaya qoum
Ur absolutely right, and its the basis of Islamic punishment that a state must take care of its citizen and remove all temptations when and if someone after this break the law then he/she should be punished severly. The point was that Islamic punishment are not barbaric as claimed by liberals on this forum. It was to refute the argument that Islamic sentences are barbaric and human right violations (Nauzobillah)
@razakhan
Indeed, perhaps this is the same i am talking about. but tell me can you fit what you have sit on Talib’s in swat?
@nota,
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…This article too repeats one of the favourite lines of anti-Talibs always use in their attempt “put them down” as “Jahils” of sort…
…Never been curious about it, have you? Ever wonder Who certified that OPV was safe for the rest of the world, and when? is an excellent question to ask, isn’t it??…
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Let me ask you this, do you really believe that the Taliban’s refusal to allow the polio vaccine is based on some scientific research and findings either of their own or of Europeans? What you have described and I have not read it completely has nothing to do with the context in which the Taliban’s have disallowed this vaccine in their areas. And btw, if it is really that bad then how come it is given to the children in the rest of the country? And please don’t tell me that Taliban’s are more scientifically advanced than the rest of the country.
@supercreature
qts is not what talibaan can sit on, qts is what as a state pakistan should do. Like I have been repeating over and over and what noone is listening to is go back to basics i,.e 1973 cconstitution implementation then u can deal with all forms of extremism.
Parliment shall not make any law contrary to sharia and shall implement sharia, its stated in constitution. When SC ruled abt 10 yrs ago that interest is haram and Govt should start with non interest banking why its taken 10 yrs to not even draft a legislation. We all know how bad interest is. Middle eastern economies been doing without the interest good, London is becoming the hub of Islamic banking imagine just on economic level what we have been loosing.
What Talibaan doing is same as what MQM doing in karachi, or what happening all over Pak, just substitute name of Islam with liberalism and secularism. There is a culture aspect of frontier or int sindh. I remember all these waderas daughter who were lucky enuff to study in karachi uni woiuld go one without burqa but in village the whole jeep will be covered lol So lets go back to basics which everyone agrees and then go 4 economics and education.
http://www.jang.com.pk/jang/apr2009-daily/15-04-2009/update.htm#56
i knew it from the day one…it was just a propagnda stunt
problem doesnt lie with Islam it lies with its followers . Rasool Karim SAW was the best exempler and we are worst follower .
Lashing if you dont have beard it means many japanese or chinese cant be muslims or if you are in cold weather and you cant wear shalwar kameez you cant be muslim.
Discrimination on basis of religion that my God is superior than yours so ive to kill you so thats how ill make my God happy. I think if we just look we have made more athesit with this approch rather than muslims. I m pointing to new generation
Hazrat Muhammad SAW never used force or even loud voice to convince any one to become muslim .He spent all His life to prove that point that patience and politness and we are trying our best by doing those kind of jabar in religion to prove Him wrong.
pai i see worse future of our country and its people. to summarise all this bitter ness.
I am wondering if some new found democrats liberals and rally renters will say some thing about this unjustice to paksi in their DESH
i forgot to mention parda , if you read quran and sunnah you will know it was different for Rasool Karim wives and for other womens , then its different in different cultures . kepping the minimum requirment . But with this talib approch a girl cannot become doctor becuase when she will go to operate someone she wont be able to see what is she operating. I think it would be right to say that we really need to educate ourselves . On which Rasool Karim SAW have emphasised much. Religion was made for eliminating discriminations of everykind but i think we are trying our best to use religion to amplify this .
“(OPV) CAN cause poliomyelitis i.e. polio (and some believe today it is the leading cause of polio). And are you aware that OPV IS NOT USED in France, Germany, Canada and USA, Scandinavian coun-”
Nota,
One of the reason for not giving Polio vaccine in these countries, the disease has been eradicated for long time in these countries.
Let me tell you, today every Pakistani is suffering except he/she belongs to elite class, why there is hypocracy and double standard of so-called Pakistani human rights (humanity rights of indian minority doesn’t come under humanity? We talk about the flogging of a girl but we don’t give a damn about the widows, helpless poor women and poor class people of our country to get food, medicines and other daily necessities of lives. That women is only repectable when she is flogged, but when she and her entire family dying little by little of lack of food and basic human need, then that very same woman is irrelivant? Why this hipocracy?
***correction***That woman is only respectable when she is flogged? But…….
Kerry of Democrate party is talking about financial aid to Pak civilian. What a joke? Who is going to make sure that aid money this time will reach to deserving people (pit of poverity) Zardari & Company? It is like telling beast to take care of floc (bakeriyu ka raywer) of sheeps.
@razakhan
Taliban and MQM may share their roots at GHQ and some militancy approaches but any comparision beyond that is highly unfair. Kidnapping, ransoms, torture is probably common but Taliban is much more than that. Our military and police are not attacked at this scale before by anyone as Taliban is doing now. MQM targets political opponents but nothing like Taliban. Their indiscriminate suside bombings have no political boundries. Last but not the least we like it or not MQM has been consistently winning since mid 80’s and Taliban believes this whole election process is kufur.
@sic5770 said:
“Nota,
One of the reason for not giving Polio vaccine in these countries, the disease has been eradicated for long time in these countries.”
Sorry but that makes no sense. If that were reasoning was true, then why continue to give IPV??
@Amir Hameed
“Let me ask you this, do you really believe that the Taliban’s refusal to allow the polio vaccine is based on some scientific research and findings either of their own or of Europeans? What you have described and I have not read it completely has nothing to do with the context in which the Taliban’s have disallowed this vaccine in their areas. And btw, if it is really that bad then how come it is given to the children in the rest of the country? And please don’t tell me that Taliban’s are more scientifically advanced than the rest of the country.”
I think you missed my point completely — and intentionally
.
– NOWHERE did I state that “Taliban’s refusal to allow the polio vaccine is based on some scientific research”
– It has EVERYTHING to do “with the context in which the Taliban’s have disallowed this vaccine in their areas.”
Regarding “if it is really that bad then how come it is given to the children in the rest of the country?” Because WE ARE TOLD it is “GOOD” for us. I certainly don’t buy it but most doctors/government officials do and WHO demands it. (BTW did you know even in America — by law — one has the right to refuse these vaccines? I found that out after much effort — all the doctors knew but tried their best to hide the info)
You cannot deny that “Polio Vaccination Used For Population Control” is a belief held by many all over, and not just the Taliban (and I thought I provided pretty clear evidence of that.) Just because you don’t want to believe it doesn’t make the truth go away…
@abuzarghafari,
make me.
Today again the government has failed to show the courage to face these cowards who have imposed their own brand of islam on the entire division , and i must salute MQM and the sole voice of Ayaz Amir from Pml(n) who raised their voice against these henious criminals of swat.
I dont understand why the armed forces of Pakistan are giving up to these terrorists if it is only for strategic reasons than let me assure them than in case of a crises the whole nation will be standing with them but for now they will have to take firm actions aganist these taliban terrorists because they are the real threat to the intergrity of the country.
Infact the Pak army should launch an operation the way Srilankan army has doing against tamils and i am pretty much sure that it will not take more than 6 months to exterminate these terrorists because the whole nation is aganist them and they will be eliminated in a matter of months.
So i think we should pray and atleast speak up aganist them openly because silence at this moment will amount of cowardice and an acceptance of the demand of terrorist of swat and their allies.
@all. suicidal attack in charsada. 15 dead. hidden hands active to fail the peace deal.
@all
zardai says he will review the bill,if np peace. i think theywant to make this deal a faiure themselves and then go for a big operation.
It was appalling to see the spineless parliament passing the Nizaam-e -Adal bill without having any debate. Now that Genie’s is out of bottle it will be very interesting to see Taliban’s knocking at the doors of Islamabad to implement their Sharia.
Our much loved cowardly and selfish leaders are busy in filling their pockets, why they care; they will move back to US, UK or UAE and live in their luxury palaces with lot more stolen money to spend.
Again the loser will be the poor public.
@razakhan
“What Talibaan doing is same as what MQM doing in karachi, or what happening all over Pak, ”
2 wrong or 3 wrong can not make 1 right … wrong will not create a good deed and will create more evil indeed.
@supercreature
sorry u keep missing the point nothing further could be gained by arguing so good luck.
@Kashif
MQM did targetted the security forces and has been targetting them from beginning, during operation clean up they targeted them as ruthelessly as Talibaan doing today. When there is an operation launched against some segment they will retaliate. The degree of retaliation is meaningless the point is retaliation.
In my opinion.
I want Sharia in my country. No more no less. Do the right fear no one.
Bros.
Instead of cursing each other we should move to do something. Don’t we? before its too late.
@Nonaligned
The change is bound to happen. The current social-political system has to go now.