check this two statment then decide;

1. Pakistan is helping Americans and his Allies against Terrorism on the price of boost up his economy, solution of Kashmir issue, relief his Debit from World bank and now 1.5 Billiion per anum. So just think we are helping against a nation (leave it to religion) which boarder alocate over 2600 km with us and allow Americans and his allies to bombed them and till now they killed more then 100 thousand Civilians in all over afghaninstan on our behalf so this is shameless act we did against a nation to gain money….!

2. Today we are crying with our own blood, we are weaping and sounds like a ciron that Taliban and other Millitants are killing our Army and Civillians with the Help of out side hands (IF out side hands are ) … so what is the best judgment on ground is……

When we (Pakistan) getting money to destabalize a nation and allow others to use our sapce and all facility to kill other nation so WHY WE ARE CRYING IF TALIBAN ARE DOING THE SAME WITH US AS A “REVENGE “…..???? WHY TODAY WE ARE BARKING LIKE A DOG HAVING NO TEETH ??…….MAN…!! YOU DID A ACT AGAINST A NATION SO THEY ARE DOING THE SAME WITH US….!! So Don’t CRY.!! its Pay Back TIME………….!!!

don’t dive in same way of water with all…see with Birds eye view to situation

“Its easy to balme but hard to justify ” so we should see in our Necks first…!

Wasalam

We have same Quran, same Hadith and same Namaz. Can we become ‘Sahabi’?? NO! It means having a long tradition of teacher and passing down the knowledge/experience/practice with changing times is necessary. After gaps of hundreds of years, how can we have a puritan Islamic society? Impossible!

If someone is interesting in developing society according to soul of Islam, they should start building Madrassahs that are pioneers for science and technology and a place where Ijtihad flourishes. Only a scientist can interpret accurately what Islam says about Universe. Only a medical doctor can interpret what Islam says about human body. Only a soldier can understand what Quran says about warfare. This way, we might have capable people in 50 years time who could introduce an Islamic society. Jahil Mullah doesn’t even understand what Biology is, how can he interpret Quranic suras on these complicated issues.

There is no short cut. Any short cut will push Islam another 100 years away and world will equate it to barbarity (and it will be very close to barbarism). Not something that the world will be attracted to embrace.

It seems someone sick with racism would hate Pathans and before that in late 70s Bengalis now this hate-ness is turned into Pathans & Baluchis and quite possibly with an equal passion.

It is not enough to label this Talibanisation Logo as is obnoxious and detrimental to freedom of thought, expression, and the need for mankind to continue to question at our beloved country, whether controversial or not?

@anti_democratic: would be interested to hear your thoughts on BanglaDesh and its separation despite the fact that it was Majority Muslim Province, was Part of a Pakistan (a Muslim nation) and in fact the concept of Pakistan or a separate homeland was actually floated by and first approved by the Bengali Muslims of India themselves.

If your theory of Islam alone as binding force stands, then why did Bengal leave the federation of Pakistan (Big Bad India? even if so, why couldn’t Islam keep us together as one nation in the face of Indian conspiracy to break us?)

Sir… Your question has my answers in it.

First, We failed because we were building a state, which had huge ethinic and language gaps based on principles borrowed from West. Had we established it on Islam, I bet there wouldn’t have these problems.

To further push my point forward, I would like to ask everyone Why after 1971, Pakistan saw a need to “Islamicalize” their constitution… why not before??? They saw very closely, this secularism/nationalism based systems/thinking failed to bound people together … (even in 1973 constitution, I personally see huge lapses, which are causing us problems now — Mixture of ideals taken from west and Islam— nice try, but is bound to fail — it is something to be discussed later on) —

Secondly, It is never a solution to use military force on your own people … They did that in Bengladesh, we have already seen the result. They tried that in Baluchistan, we can see now how baluchi perception is changing about pakistan. Same in NWFP … We just don’t learn from our mistakes.

Running a state needs some planning, some fundamental priciples which don’t change with time. We have in pakistan none of above. We have no planning, our scholars have shown no direction in last 62 years (Completely Failed-) — And our principles/aims changes with phone calls, Is this a country or what — that’s why, i think we are not heading in right direction —

To be honest, I don’t blame India for 1971. Even today, I don’t transfer blame for our shortcomings on US/India/Israel. People who do that, they are not recognizing their own problems… How can you blame them, they are doing what they are expected to be doing… We collectively as a nation failed to do what we supposed to be doing…

Sure. And it is more of Sehbai’s hope that “all those on whom Zardari depends for his US policy, either in Washington or in Islamabad, it is time to pack up and go home”. But that would be too ‘reasonable’ for Zardari to do, now won’t it? But keeping the messenger aside, there is no question Obama has thrown a ton of bricks on Zardari. Certainly more $$$ and toys are headed Kiyani’s way, but at what cost, I wonder….

Did you catch this one by Shaheen Sehbai?
Obama throws a ton of bricks on Zardari
“And for all those on whom Zardari depends for his US policy, either in Washington or in Islamabad, it is time to pack up and go home”