In reference to Dr. Shahid Masood’s recent column in Daily Jang, Asif Ali Zardari has pointed the involvement of a Muslim country in murder of his late wife and ex-Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto. Has Zardari accused Saudi Arabia in involvement of Benazir’s Assassination? Is this the reason that Zardari has been insisting for UN investigation?
In the same column, Dr. Shahid Masood adds that the Americans shared this accusation with that country, and relations between Pakistan and that country have been strained since then. This was also reflected in a muted response by Saudis in Tokyo Conference of “Friends of Pakistan”. This perception was further strengthened due to Zardari’s inclination towards Iranians through direct and indirect contacts. Rehman Malik, who is responsible for interior affairs, went on special visit to Iran that was observed with suspicion as in obvious it was out of his Ministery’s domain. This visit was followed by Zardari himself, which might have raised some reservations from Saudis.
Stop playing dirty games Dr Shahid Masood. You are a PPP agent, and you are trying to cover up Zardari.
The video clips are available that Rehman Malik and incharge of Security ran away from the murder scene, because her assasination was ordered by Zardari himself, as he also murdered Murtaza Bhutto few years earlier. Also the incharge of Security at Bilawal House in Karachi has also been murdered at the orders of Zardari
Moreover in the public meeting on 27 Dec 2008 in Larkhana, Zardari said very loud and clear that he knows the killer of Benazir, but our Awam is so stupid and jahil that no one had the courage to ask him to name the killer.
This is also an attempt by Dr Shahid Masood to divert the attention from MQM and PPP ittehad, which took place in London when Zardari presented flowers to Altaf Hussain and touched his feet.
If this speculation is true I won’t be much surprised. Saudi Arab is one dirty country. The Saudi regime in both international and domestic front is horrible. Since this is speculation I can’t say much. But their role in promoting secterianism that ruthlessly kills fellow muslims in mosques is an open secret.Afzal Lala is right beheadings are not our traditions Arabs exported this to us. Saudis particularly and Arabs on the whole was worst barbarians on the face of the planet.
Shahid Masood’s article has so much important hidden information, that need to be read very carefully, and the timing of the article is also very important to look.
It is not a secret that Zardari and Saudis are not on the same page. Today Robert Gates is in Saudia Arabia and talking with Saudis, which is also very important development.
Other news is, Sherry Rehman might be replacing Haqqani in Washington. ISI chief Gen Pasha has more trust on Sherry than Haqqani.
Coming back to article, I still dont think Zardari is going home soon, Army and US will keep him in power and run the show behind the door unless Talibans will become a real danger, which I doubt it is the case.
In my opinion, Pakistan army is playing very smart ( double) game here. US is telling them to use more force against Talibans but they are not moving their forces from Eastern border and telling US to tell India to move their forces from Kashmir. India is not going to move their forces unless Kashmir issue is going to be solved. So Obama and Hillary will be talking to Indians to solve the Kashmir issues ASAP. Pakistan army is also telling US that people are supporting Talibans because of social issues ( poverty, justice, health, education,..), means we need more money to solve those social issues.
I am seeing Kashmir issue to be solved in near future and more dollars will be coming to the country and hopefully this time the money will be spend on people instead of DHA societies. ( Merey saadgi dekh kaya chahtaa hoon!!).
I smell rat in this article of Dr Shahid Masood. He must stop playing dirty tricks as he is aPPP agent.
There is no truth in this article as there is a very srtong video evidence avaiable that Rehman Malik, Babar Awan and Safdar Qureshi diappeared from the murder scene. Moreover Zardari has admitted in the Public meeting last year at the death anniversary of Benazir that he knows her killer. This article is either fake or been drafted by Babar Awan.
Dr Shaid Masood is failed prsenter just like our failed Zardar’s Govt.
@Sic5770
Stop Dreaming. Your Army is Agent of USA. Dont expect anythin from Army. Write ma word on paper.
zardari would never restrict any line of money coming into his pocket
dunno why shahid masood was say such a thing. media, especially geo, is not a news reporting channel anymore
sad that everything can be bought in pakistan
Why this SOB Bilawal is sitting with Obama? What a disaster, country has been represented in Washington by two SOB idiots.
http://www.ummatpublication.com/2009/05/07/pic-02.html
thanks god..atleats zardari did one good thing… Saudia Arabia has hurt islam more then Ban-u-Ummia. have you ever try to find out who is funding these Taliban maderssas in Pakistan. He is too much pain in the butt of islam. we have to tell them clearly that stay away from our country… you gambler kings
Zardari is committing yet another big mistake by calling a friend an enemy. Pakistan is left with very few friends in the world and by doing this Zardari will further isolate Pakistan. Bringing our country closer to Iran will only worsten the situation coz it comes as a rogue state. Why am I smelling Shia and Sunni politics here?
I honestly believe that who ever is behind killing of BB is really a true friend of Pakistan…… THAN YOU
We need such friends for NS, SS, Altaf H, Qazi H, Sufi, Ch shujat and his gang any many other high level dirty politicians and their families….
@syed Haider
your post is based on sh-ia rivalry not political facts. SA is America’s big time chamcha so why doesn’t America stop SA to stop funding the taliban?They have money and oil and not dependent on American aid and have no oil therefore America would treat us like stray dogs. How many times has America told them to stop funding the taliban when everyone knows that SA is funding them?
@expakistani
After reading your post I am glad that you are ‘ex’. If you come back to Pakistan I will make sure you are also included in the list mentioned in your post.
Is Zardari nuts? The only country that has stood by us through thick and thin is being estranged and for whom…Iran? A dictatorial fascist regime with no sense of shame. Here is what Iran has done and is doing.
The so-called revolutionary government of Iran bought weapons directly from Israel to use against muslims in Iraq. (Reference: Every spie a prince: The complete history of Israeli intelligence).
During this Iran-Iraq war Pakistan remained neutral in spite of intense Arab pressure to side with an arab country. Pakistan’s neutrality so much struck the Iraqi regime that it used its embassy to smuggle weapons into Pakistan and Pakistan had to make a raid on the embassy to discover weapons there. Yet in spite of all that pressure Pakistan did not go against Iran rather Pakistan generously opened its doors for training and spare parts to Iranian military during that war and what did we get from Iran a huge propaganda campaign even during that time that Pakistan is a poodle of the “great Satan”. (Reference: Profiles of Intelligence by Brig. Tirmizi).
Iran has never voiced any diplomatic support for Pakistan on the Kashmir issue. When Irani president Khatami visited Pakistan, in spite of Pakistan’s best efforts he did not even utter the word Kashmir once during his visit!! What a shame for the government of Iran that it can see the miseries of the people in Lebanon but chooses to remain silent over Kashmir just because of their Indian friends.
Iran’s negative role in the whole nuclear scandal is no secret. They bribed our scientists and against the expressed policy of the Govt. of Pakistan not to export the sensitive technology they bribed our scientists and when the western pressure came they dumped everything on our heads and went away clean as if they had nothing to do with it. Shame on them for putting us into this difficult position and then showing their back.
It is no secret anymore that India’s consulates in Iran along Pakistan’s border are being used for massive terrorism in Balochistan only so that Pakistan’s Gawadar port cannot rival their Chah Bahar port.
Please also read George Tenet’s (ex-director of CIA) book “At the center of the storm: My years at the CIA” in which he openly discloses that Iranian revolutionary guards carried official American equipment in official Iranian vehicles to be given to Kurd rebels in Iraq so that they can destabilize Iraqi regime.
Such is the shameless character of the Irani regime. Regardless of any religiosity or sectarianism Irani regime has been constantly acting against Pakistani interests from the beginning and it is time that our people know the true face of this so-called brother of ours.
Did you conceive “Aliya ne Pakistan kyun chora”
He might be just upset with Saudis for refusing to transfer any aid directly to his personal bank account….
well whoever killed her meant to strike at the very foundations of Pakistan. for all her faults and I was as critical of her as anyone else, she was a strong leader. she might have had an ego and a lust for power but which politician doesn’t.
but she also had something the rest of politicians don’t have and it is/was – clarity of thought. the current breed of politicians including Nawaz Sharif are pygmies compared to her. the PPP is lost without her and so is the country. if anyone could have brought people together against the challenge posed by the religious beasts known as the Taliban, it was her. if she could sell a deal with Musharraf to her voters, then she could have convinced them of anything…
and as much as I hated her for it at the time, what alternative was there to the “deal” as she herself asked? we’re not a country where you have mass executions of political/military classes. we were never going to kill or even prosecute Musharraf and his crony generals. democracy was only going to come from transformation – not revolution. (sorry Imran I love you as a person and a hero but you have a lot of growing up to do.)
Benazir Bhutto was right. and despite being someone who had little respect for her in her life, I confess that I was wrong. she deserved much better than what she got. and apart from what happened to her as a person, Pakistan lost its only real leader. she was a much bigger leader than she was ever given credit for and I realize that now that she is gone. whoever killed her knew that she was the one leader who might achieved some form of consensus on how to fight this fight or at least what to do about it. so they got rid of her.
Pakistan is weaker without the leadership of Benazir Bhutto. RIP BB! you are missed… God save our beloved country which you loved as much as we do…
I am agree with nota.
Saudis are our friends, always helped us in need.
We will be out of mind if not recognized our friends.
@nota
He (zardari) sure is upset on that account.
@Tarar
I agree with your honest analysis about BB. She definately was someone Pakistan needed at this feeble period of our history needless to say why she was killed.
@tarar,i liked ur post.nice tribute to BB.now i realize how importnat she was for pakistan.we miss u at this difficult times.liberal forces has become very weaker with out u.
@freemason
if it only were words, but anyone remember khana-e-farhang massacare in khi, how shah loyalist and iranian revolutionary guards agents used karachi to kill each other. How secreterian violence has been aided by Iran in Pak, and b4 Pak start making the gawadar port and making inroads in baluchistan how Iranian have been basically using pak territory as thier own. Compare to that Saudi Arabia has been guardian angel lol
No wonder why saudis contributed so little in Friends of pakisatan forum. As far as i remmeber, they always helped Pakistan in good and bad times and they were always there for us. Pakistan has only two true friends, One is china and second is saudis whom are time tested friends.
Zardari wont be able to hold on the power for long coz he doesn’t have ability to lead the country like pakistan.
@democrate,
unfortunately I rarely find myself agreeing with anything you say… and even if we do agree on something, your motives for taking a position are generally very different from mine…
but you’re spot on when you said “liberal forces has become very weaker without” Benazir Bhutto…
the liberal forces have definitely become very weak with BB’s shahadat. there’re no strong leaders to rally the troops. and the rest of leadership that could have kept the flame going has been pushed out by Zardari. the top leaders of PPP should know better than that…
they should stop pussyfooting about. take a damn position and educate people on why it is right. don’t worry about what people think right now and if it will cost PPP votes in the short term. public opinion is fickle. the job of a leader is use his/her foresight to make difficult decisions that might not be popular in the short term but are ultimately for the best. the PPP leadership is failing miserably in this regard. all PPP’s current leadership has done is pick unnecessary fights and make non-issues issues like the CJ issue and the Punjab govt issue. the first one was super easy to resolve. there was absolutely no need for the second one.
the PPP govt needs to get its priorities straight… and stop playing games. things might have been better and more focused under BB..
@freemason
with his latest BS
“Is Zardari nuts? The only country that has stood by us through thick and thin is being estranged and for whom…Iran? A dictatorial fascist regime with no sense of shame. Here is what Iran has done and is doing.”
Is freemason nuts, he is comparing and calling a democratic country, a fascist regime against absolute monarchy and dictatorship of so called Kingdom.
Actually Saudis and Americans both stood by us through thick and thins, thats the reason we are on the verge of breaking.
These two friends have hurt us more than our known enemy India.
Then freemason shows his depth of the matter with these gems
“The so-called revolutionary government of Iran bought weapons directly from Israel to use against muslims in Iraq.”
I am trying to understand whats the pearl in his above gem.
Probably buying weapon from Israel, what this hypocrite(with zionist ID) has against Israel, perhaps its buying of weapon bothering this a hole.
And using against muslims of Iraq must not be concern of this zionist hypocrite.
Mr. freemason when Iran was forced into war and the whole world was against Iran and supplying financial and moral support to Saddam of Iraq, then bigger partner of Saudia , I mean USA, in this heinous crime of war against Irani revolution, decided to balance the war because a victorious Iraq was neither in favor of USA and Israel but a potential danger to Saudi Monarchy as well.
So Israelis businessmen were moved to facilitate Irani needs of weapons.
As far killing of Iraqi Muslims, which I believe would be your least concern or no concern, was not about killing Iraqis but defending an attack on their motherland and defending newly born Islamic revolution.
Off course when Khurram City captured within days then to liberate Khurram City you have to kill those who capture, killing in your defense is allowed in Islam and in all the charters of humanity.
Though you are right Iran is not our good friend as compared to Saudia because we belong to anti Iranian Zionist block of USA and Saudia and self claimed kings of Arab countries, which include midget of Jordan and no king but king of Egypt.
If you are paid to spread disinformation about Iran then I must say you are doing a poor job.
From Pakistan’s public or Pakistan’s interest point of view, it doesn’t make any difference who killed BB? Her two times in power performance was hopeless, that would have been repeated third time, she didn’t make any difference in the life of majority of people of Pakistan then and would not have made any difference in majority of Pakistanis now, except jiyalaas, because when you talk about someone you talk in the light of their past performances. People don’t become angle in short period of time. For Pakistan she is irrelevent.
Why I believe theres a substance in Saudi involved in alleged killing of BB.
Saudis depends on USA for their existence , they can not have their own free foreign policy.
But every now and then they do things on their own as well, specially spreading Wahabiat is their independent agenda sometimes it coincide with American interests sometimes it may go against USA interest unintentionally but soon they realize the conflict of interest , they patch up.
Wahabis are staunch believer of no woman rule, so chances are killers were funded by Saudis to do an Islamic wahabiat job, its hard to tell Masa interests were conflicting or in coincidence.
Recent Taliban insurgency probably is the result of Saudi funding and anger.
Now Masa is patching up the damage done.
Benazir Shaheed was a great leader. Due to her, Pakistan has missile technology. Whatever the performance of her last two periodsof goverment, No one can deny her missile technology’s contribution to Pkistan.
May be so. But reasonable is that an FIR must be lodged against the persons nominated by the assessinated Benazir Bhutto. Thereafter, according to law, investigation should run to a conclusive proof with tengible evidence never refutable. THIS IS CONSIPIRCY TO WEEKEN THE GOOD TIES BETWEEN PAKISTAN AND SAUDI ARABIA BY THE AMERCAN TYPE LOBY.
We all know Zardari is a pathological liar. All you have to do is to see all the promises he made during elections. He has yet to honor one.
Where he is becoming extremely dangerous for our country is that he is totally capitulating to the Americans. CNN Wolf Blitzer tried hard to ask him if he will disclose the location of our nuclear assets. He stayed away in answering it but he was far from being convincing. I suspect the danger to us is that he may well disclose this information to the Americans sooner or later in return for his staying on in power till of course Bilawal is ready to jump in.
We should all be concerned about our country. I am all for wiping out Talibans but on our term and not on someone else’s terms. Zardari and few other of his entourage are extremely dangerous. Rehman Malik and Salman Tasreer amongst them. ISI should note that. They will sell there own mothers to stay in power.
In all the interviews that he has given he has not defended the actions we have taken in the past, the actions we are taking now and the actions no doubt we will take in future. One attack from the drone creates 10,000 militants. That is the message we should tell the western audience. But guess what, these thugs called PPP do not believe in defending our country.
Saudis has nothing to do with Zardari’s conspiracy theories.
@jazoo
Your pathetic commentary never merits a response.
Since Iran is partnering with India to spread terrorism in Pakistan, would it be morally just for Pakistan to provide Israel bases to bomb Iran’s nuclear facilities? Pakistan should consider that option so that the anti-Pakistan regime learns a lesson.
@Tarar
What makes benazir a great leader of pakistan, what is her achievment as a great leader. She was an opportunist, but a great leader who wanted to rule to benefit the PPP not Pakistan,yes she was a liberal pro western far from Islamic values with no interest in islamic republic of pakistan but she wanted turn pakistan into a whore house..
@freemason
What could be more pathetic to say my comments are not worth a response but then making an ass of yourself by responding.
What you said in your response like yelling after sound public spanking.
People do feel proud of their lineage and heritage, only a low life would assume a Baby killer Zionist ID.
Its like kala aungrez try to feel home with gora aungrez where he is not welcome.
Make no mistake your zionist ass is mine for public spanking.
BB Shaheed?????
After looting the plundering the nation twice I opted for ‘self exile” to enjoy a luxirious life abroad!
One day BB Rani woke up to find out there is a power vacuum and dictator’s power was wanning. BB turned to Almighty Amrika for confession, got baptized and Almighty absolved her of all crimes and blessed her with NRO.
She returned to Pakistan as a lone SAVIOR, got assasinated, and became a MARTYR.
Easy way to become shaheed, eh?
Rotting in Hell sounds more real, doesn’t it?
@ msohail83,
You have hit the nail on the head. I agree with you totally Sir. I wish I could send your email to each and every member of PPP.
I hope they all rot in hell
very interesting and informative article.
dr shahid also has revealed that MUSH has left pakistan forever. cofirmed in todays news.
http://www.thenews.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=21992
There is nothing extraordinary in this article…….. we all are moving fast in a direction where all muslims will be fighting each other and playing in the hands of our enemies. Our enemies are all the same and its only a matter of time when its our turn…… but eventually everyone’s turn will come.
This is the dilemma in Islamic world. All OIC countries have their own agendas based on black mailing and personal interests. Thats what our enemies have been planning and implementing for long. If Muslim countries want to have some respect in the world, they need to unite and sacrifice individual interests for the greater cause of peaceful Muslim world as a whole. If they do not move in correct direction, they will be taken by our enemies one by one. Religious differences have always been sowed and ignited by these countries. That why today we are so much apart from our neighbors. Lot of ppl here have mentioned Saudis effect on promoting extremism, but are we not forgetting another Islamic country rich in oil and a co-sponsor of extremism and in Pakistan?? please think about it………they are running high number of Madrassas and funding construction of many mosques to support a specific religious group.
So folks we all need to first of all define Islam in such a way that no religious group is excluded from Islam. Put a religious ban and extreme punishment for anyone who used words like Kafir, Mushrik, Badati, wahabi etc for any other fellow muslim. Start by agreeing on points that are common in all the factions. one thing that is common among all is that “every kalmago muslim will eventually go to heaven” Then we can move on to the points where we have differences and do “Ijtehad” on these points. This is not very difficult but there is only one problem to this “a religious leadership that can see beyond themselves” Govt should take the initiative and invite all religious groups for an open discussion “possibly live on media”. The agenda should only include things that are limiting muslims from getting united. This should be properly advertised so that all the population is involved in it. The debate should be totally based on knowledge from Quran and Sunnah and should not end until a consensus is developed on all the issues causing differences among Muslims.
If we can unite Muslims in Pakistan, we should go beyond borders and invite scholars from other Muslim countries. If we succeed, which we eventually will as there will be Allah’s help in this, it will be a great service to Islam and Muslim world. God Bless us all.
@msohail83
Quote of the day
“One day BB Rani woke up to find out there is a power vacuum and dictator’s power was wanning. BB turned to Almighty Amrika for confession, got baptized and Almighty absolved her of all crimes and blessed her with NRO.”
TENSIONS BTW SAUDIS AND ZARDARI
Saudis stop Mr. 10% Asif Ali Zardari from selling half of Pakistan
Written by http://www.daily.pk
Friday, 24 April 2009 16:09
An international conspiracy to split Pakistan into two zones by turning them into two separate geographic units was foiled by a brotherly Arab Muslim country in Dubai a week before the Tokyo meeting of the Friends of Pakistan Forum.
A plan to set up the so-called ‘Trust Fund’ was drawn up for provision of ’special aid’ to the provinces of Balochistan and the NWFP with huge amount of international assistance separately – meant to disconnect them from the rest of the country. The idea was reportedly widely accepted by senior officials in Pakistan and even some high-ups in Islamabad considered it a ‘lucrative’ and ‘harmless ‘ proposition.
Highly-placed sources told that some Western countries campaigned for making the idea acceptable to all the participants of the Dubai meeting. Several calls were made from Abu Dhabi to different world capitals to get the approval of the Dubai meeting but the country in question, who enjoys tremendous esteem in the Muslim world and has a leading role for the Muslim Ummah, came in the way of the proposal. This country delayed announcing its contribution for the Tokyo meeting. It threatened that if the West continues to press for the proposal, it would publicly announce its opposition to the idea and may stay away from the forum, the sources said.
This leading Muslim country was of the view that once the Trust Fund was established, it would be used as conduit for the dismemberment of Pakistan. The diplomats expressed apprehension about Pakistan’s interests and said once the Trust Fund became effective, the United Nations would be subsequently asked to come forward to play its role for the region to the detriment of Pakistan.
It was feared that in a calculated step, international financial institutions would contribute billions of dollars in the name of rehabilitation of those areas. Later, they would ask the world body to come forward to play its role to save their huge investment there.
Thus the move would have the mandate of the United Nations to give it the cover of legitimacy. This could have cut Pakistan to size on the one hand and paved the way for the creation of a buffer state between Pakistan and Afghanistan on the other hand. Most of the bordering countries of Pakistan would have supported such a division.
For the reason, the respected leading Muslim country insisted that any assistance for any region within the territory of Pakistan must be routed through the authority of Pakistan.
Shaukat Tarin, Adviser to the Prime Minister on Finance and Economic Affairs, told that the proposal for the creation of the Special Fund was deferred. He revealed that Pakistan had sought $2.5 billion for security purposes while $4 billion for education, health and other welfare activities. However, Pakistan was assured of $5.5 billion aid, an amount beyond its expectations.
To a question, he said the security requirements and the Trust Fund would be taken up again after the Pakistan Development Forum (PDF) meeting to be held in May/June next. The government will also knock the doors of the IMF for the fund, Shaukat Tarin added. pkkh
@msohail83
You are so right !!!!and said it beautifully.
@imran
“dr shahid also has revealed that MUSH has left pakistan forever. cofirmed in todays news.”
What took the coward so long? I think he is going to take the same stand as Kalia: “I will come when you make me Prez or PM”
So the “credit” goes to PZP. NRO payback? Wonder what PML-N has to say? Will they feign helplessness or protest vehemently and demand he is brought back?
ACTIVITIES IN SAUDI ARABIA RECENTLY INCLUDING VISIT OF ROBERT GATES YESTERDAY SAYING THAT WE NEED SAUDI INFLUENCE ON PAKISTAN.
Saudi money for a Marshall Plan to bail out PakistanPosted: Apr 16, 2009 Thu 05:44 pm Views: 131
A clutch of important Pakistani leaders visited Saudi Arabia last week. These included General Tariq Majeed, Chairman Joint Chiefs of Staff Committee, and General Ashfaq Kayani, COAS. There is speculation that maybe Mr Nawaz Sharif too paid a secret visit there recently. Mr Sharif’s trips to Riyadh always set tongues wagging, given his close links to the Saudi monarchy which is singularly responsible for his rising political fortune. Mr Sharif, interestingly, was in Dubai for a day last Tuesday, probably to meet President Asif Zardari who made a detour before turning around and flying off to Japan for the critical moot of the “Friends of Pakistan” consortium. The FOP is deliberating how much economic assistance to give Pakistan over the next few years and Saudi Arabia may turn out to be the biggest single donor in it.
Are these meetings, therefore, all about propping up Mr Zardari’s government and Pakistan’s economy? Is Mr Sharif hoisting the national interest above his party political interest by putting in a good word with the Saudis on behalf of Mr Zardar? Is General Kayani also backing up Mr Zardari for the grand sake of democracy?
Not at all. None of the political players is doing anything without a core vested interest. Indeed, there is a seamlessness about political developments in Pakistan since that fateful day of March 16 when Mr Zardari was out maneuvered by a combination of Army and America, and Mr Sharif was raised as a smart alternative to Mr Zardari in Washington. The fact that visiting American, British and EU bigwigs have probably met Mr Sharif as many times as they have President Zardari, says it all.
In consequence, we have seen their joint handwork in unmistakable terms. First, Mr Iftikhar Mohammad Chaudhry was restored as chief justice of Pakistan. Second, and as a consequence of Mr Chaudhry’s intervention, Mr Shahbaz Sharif was restored as chief minister of Punjab by a specially constituted bench of the Supreme Court. Third, Mr Zardari decided to constitute a bipartisan parliamentary committee to determine how to implement the Charter of Democracy and get rid of the 17th constitutional amendment, which empowers the office of the President and stops Mr Sharif from becoming a prime minister for the third time. Surely, this was not done happily and voluntarily. Fourth, the decision by Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani to invite Mr Sharif’s PMLN to join the federal cabinet and claim a stake in government is not gratuitous. It suggests there is pressure from certain quarters to get Mr Sharif to take greater responsibility for certain unpalatable decisions regarding the “war against terror” and belt-tightening the economy. Fifth, Mr Zardari’s decision to place the matter of the Nizam i Adl Regulation in Swat, which cements a dubious peace deal between the local government and the Taliban, before parliament and get its stamp of approval unanimously, implies that Mr Zardari has finally succumbed to pressure and didn’t want to take sole responsibility in the event of its failure. Sixth, the release of Maulana Aziz, the firebrand Lal Masjid religious leader, from prison on the orders of the Chaudhry-led Supreme Court, on April 15, against the inclination of the Zardari administration, signals an army/ISI interest because he might prove an intelligence asset in the three-way tussle for leverage between the Army, Taliban and America. Similarly, Mr Sharif’s cooperation suggests a movement towards a “national government” as a prelude to a mid-term election, which remains the PMLN’s most outstanding demand.
Still, there are wheels within wheels. Washington first put all its eggs in Benazir Bhutto’s basket and then in Mr Zardari’s. But President Musharraf didn’t survive the political fallout of the elections. So Washington quickly transferred its affection to General Kayani. However, this didn’t pay off because General Kayani was angered by the Obama administration’s allegations of “double dealing” by the ISI and crude attempts to nudge Mr Zardari to cut the secret agency down to size. So Mr Sharif was brought on board, to give the civilian government greater muscle and popular backing. That is where the Saudis come in, right behind Mr Sharif.
Mr Zardari has been considerably weakened in the last month or so by a string of bad political decisions which have alienated him from the army and most Pakistanis. Meanwhile, the US is frustrated because it is unable to have its way fully with Islamabad. The recent assertion of “gaps” between Washington and Islamabad, at the behest of the hardline army, including a refusal to give a blank cheque to Mr Holbrooke, is a measure of the bumps that lie ahead.
Mr Zardari wants nothing less than a Marshall Plan to bail out Pakistan and stabilize his PPP government. But the US is tying money and weapons to a proper quid pro quo from the army and ISI. However, both are not ready to accept Mr Zardari’s pro-US prescriptions because of long-held views on regional security. So the US is compelling him to bring Mr Sharif into the loop because of his popular backing. But Mr Sharif has his own agenda. He is using Saudi money and clout to guarantee a passage back to power sooner than later. Which power or actor will ultimately prevail and what will be the fate of Pakistan in these tumultuous times remains to be seen.
@nota
but why was he allowed to run away? was this a deal as well? what about article 6 ,and other crimes on him? why was his name not in the ECL?
he was in SAUDI ARABIA few days back as a royal guest? was there another deal brokered?R we all stupid awan unaware of lot of things despite so called free media?
Saudi money for a Marshall Plan to bail out PakistanPosted: Apr 16, 2009 Thu 05:44 pm Views: 131
A clutch of important Pakistani leaders visited Saudi Arabia last week. These included General Tariq Majeed, Chairman Joint Chiefs of Staff Committee, and General Ashfaq Kayani, COAS. There is speculation that maybe Mr Nawaz Sharif too paid a secret visit there recently. Mr Sharif’s trips to Riyadh always set tongues wagging, given his close links to the Saudi monarchy which is singularly responsible for his rising political fortune. Mr Sharif, interestingly, was in Dubai for a day last Tuesday, probably to meet President Asif Zardari who made a detour before turning around and flying off to Japan for the critical moot of the “Friends of Pakistan” consortium. The FOP is deliberating how much economic assistance to give Pakistan over the next few years and Saudi Arabia may turn out to be the biggest single donor in it.
Are these meetings, therefore, all about propping up Mr Zardari’s government and Pakistan’s economy? Is Mr Sharif hoisting the national interest above his party political interest by putting in a good word with the Saudis on behalf of Mr Zardar? Is General Kayani also backing up Mr Zardari for the grand sake of democracy?
Not at all. None of the political players is doing anything without a core vested interest. Indeed, there is a seamlessness about political developments in Pakistan since that fateful day of March 16 when Mr Zardari was out maneuvered by a combination of Army and America, and Mr Sharif was raised as a smart alternative to Mr Zardari in Washington. The fact that visiting American, British and EU bigwigs have probably met Mr Sharif as many times as they have President Zardari, says it all.
In consequence, we have seen their joint handwork in unmistakable terms. First, Mr Iftikhar Mohammad Chaudhry was restored as chief justice of Pakistan. Second, and as a consequence of Mr Chaudhry’s intervention, Mr Shahbaz Sharif was restored as chief minister of Punjab by a specially constituted bench of the Supreme Court. Third, Mr Zardari decided to constitute a bipartisan parliamentary committee to determine how to implement the Charter of Democracy and get rid of the 17th constitutional amendment, which empowers the office of the President and stops Mr Sharif from becoming a prime minister for the third time. Surely, this was not done happily and voluntarily. Fourth, the decision by Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani to invite Mr Sharif’s PMLN to join the federal cabinet and claim a stake in government is not gratuitous. It suggests there is pressure from certain quarters to get Mr Sharif to take greater responsibility for certain unpalatable decisions regarding the “war against terror” and belt-tightening the economy. Fifth, Mr Zardari’s decision to place the matter of the Nizam i Adl Regulation in Swat, which cements a dubious peace deal between the local government and the Taliban, before parliament and get its stamp of approval unanimously, implies that Mr Zardari has finally succumbed to pressure and didn’t want to take sole responsibility in the event of its failure. Sixth, the release of Maulana Aziz, the firebrand Lal Masjid religious leader, from prison on the orders of the Chaudhry-led Supreme Court, on April 15, against the inclination of the Zardari administration, signals an army/ISI interest because he might prove an intelligence asset in the three-way tussle for leverage between the Army, Taliban and America. Similarly, Mr Sharif’s cooperation suggests a movement towards a “national government” as a prelude to a mid-term election, which remains the PMLN’s most outstanding demand.
Still, there are wheels within wheels. Washington first put all its eggs in Benazir Bhutto’s basket and then in Mr Zardari’s. But President Musharraf didn’t survive the political fallout of the elections. So Washington quickly transferred its affection to General Kayani. However, this didn’t pay off because General Kayani was angered by the Obama administration’s allegations of “double dealing” by the ISI and crude attempts to nudge Mr Zardari to cut the secret agency down to size. So Mr Sharif was brought on board, to give the civilian government greater muscle and popular backing. That is where the Saudis come in, right behind Mr Sharif.
Mr Zardari has been considerably weakened in the last month or so by a string of bad political decisions which have alienated him from the army and most Pakistanis. Meanwhile, the US is frustrated because it is unable to have its way fully with Islamabad. The recent assertion of “gaps” between Washington and Islamabad, at the behest of the hardline army, including a refusal to give a blank cheque to Mr Holbrooke, is a measure of the bumps that lie ahead.
Mr Zardari wants nothing less than a Marshall Plan to bail out Pakistan and stabilize his PPP government. But the US is tying money and weapons to a proper quid pro quo from the army and ISI. However, both are not ready to accept Mr Zardari’s pro-US prescriptions because of long-held views on regional security. So the US is compelling him to bring Mr Sharif into the loop because of his popular backing. But Mr Sharif has his own agenda. He is using Saudi money and clout to guarantee a passage back to power sooner than later. Which power or actor will ultimately prevail and what will be the fate of Pakistan in these tumultuous times remains to be seen.
read something related and very interesting
http://www.chowk.com/ilogs/71621/38095
@imran25
No new deal needed. Remember “THOU SHALT NOT TOUCH MUSHY” was one of the commandments of the Mush/ BB “Shaheed” deal brokered by the Saudi’s, Brits, and Americans…
Past of the most corrupt person of Pakistan Mr Zardari ( WORSHIPPER OF GOLD) with authentic proofs by Kamran Khan.
how we can believe on such a person who put his country at stake just for the money, we should must not forget the past of him, this is time we should unite other wise we will loose every thing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cax6xkIRHr4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7TKi3s6gHw
@nota
i do agree about your point of not calling BB a shaheed. but what makes zardari hidding names of her killers is very important. whats the role of haqqani and her wife. read someting interesting. its an article written recently.
In continuation to “Postmortem of Faraznaz Ispahani and Hussain Haqqani”, some more information is collected to highlight activities of Farahnaz Ispahani, in reply to her sectarian video address (click link given below). Politicians and public usually complain that some hidden hands in “establishment” are controlling govt. but no one is able to define word “establishment”, some prominent figures which were pointed out previously and in current article will represent a tiny fraction of hidden hands controlling Pakistan since 1947, their links have been multiplied like cockroaches in entire system. Nobody dared to point out their links. Current example of Afia Siddiqui case, at New York courts, the lady FBI agent and representative of Pak Embassy both have same links. Check the names and back ground for confirmation.
Storey was started with sectarian influence and heritage of M H Ispahani (Abul Hasan Ispahani) as ambassador to US in 1947, later a series of same sectarian thought fanatics, with their Iranian links were appointed as Ambassador at US, UN, and other countries.
Agha Shahi:
1955-58: Consular at Washington, 1958-61: Deputy permanent resident to UN
1967-72: Permanent resident to UN, 1973-77: Foreign Secretary govt. of Pakistan. 1978-82: Foreign Minister
Agha Shahi’s elder brother Agha Hilali, who was also appointed as ambassador to UN from 1966-71, later appointed at London, Moscow and Washington. Both were son of Mirza Ismail of Mysore, history tells that this family has extremists’ sectarian views. Both have been working on solid sectarian footings. Another descendents of same family, Zafar Hilali who has been working as advisor in BB’s govt. currently visible on Dawn TV channel with his polluted doctrine full of sectarian hatred, a continuity of M H Ispahani. All such Iranian linked have some associations with Nusrat Bhutto, in Swiss corruption case her Iranian links were greatly publicized.
Prince Ali Khan: (Ally Khan)
British Govt. awarded title of Prince in 1938 to Agha Khan Family due to their Iranian links. Prior to 1938 those were not entitled to write Prince. In 1957 Naheed Sikandar Mirza Iranian wife of Sikandar Mirza brought Prince Ali Khan who was even not Pakistani national, and on Feb 06, 1958 he was appointed as ambassador to UN (1958-60), his mother Leo Teresa of Italy was dancer, he married or living as boy friend with dozens of other women, Including film actress Rita Hayworth, and actress Gene Terney etc. He was killed in France with his pregnant girl friend.
To have a look on his licentious and lavish life style, on a wedding he spent millions including 50 pounds caviar, 600 bottles of Champagne, dinning was arranged around swimming pool filled with 200 gallons of Eau de Cologne. When he divorced his one wife, it was settled for $ 1.5 million with $ 100,000 per year. Irani Naheed Sikandar Mirza later trapped Z A Bhutto through Nusrat Bhutto, he was so influenced that he wrote Sikandar Mirza in a letter that “Your name will be written before Quaid e Azam”. Yahya Khan was not trialed by any court when PPP took over govt., one of the causes was his Iranian links, and he had been enjoying wines and women living at Harley Street, Rawalpindi till his death.
After appointment of Ali Khan at UN by Govt. of Pakistan, probably on August 19 1958 Washington Post wondered on his appointment and wrote about his shouts of “wine for everyone” and “where the girls are” etc. None of descendents of Agha Khan are Pakistan national, moreover their women married to non-Muslims openly. Only private rituals are served after death in hidden manner in a few cases. Some adopted Christian names and married to non-Muslims.
Prince Sadar ud Din was his brother who worked at UNESCO and known for protecting Jewish heritage at Egypt.
Mirza Zia Ispahani:
He was appointed as ambassador to many places including Switzerland and Italy. While M M Ispahni was appointed as Ambassador to US (1947-52), High commissioner at UK (1952-54), Trade Ministr (1954-55), and Ambassador at Afghanistan (1973-74). In 1950 visit of Liaqat Ali Khan to US was a complete failure. However Korean war of 1949 was a lottery for Ispahanis, those earned billions in sale of jute and tea. Such hidden hands are plunderer who made solid footings and businesses. Their sectarian ambitions were also not hidden; its one example is Farahnaz Ispahani’s above polluted video. There are a lot of other details of loot which are part of history now.
Jamshed Marker: He was Parsi but it is necessary to be included due to his Iranian links. He is world’s longest serving ambassador, Ambassador to UN (1986-89) and (1990-95), appointed at Russia, Canada, E Germany, F R Germany, France and Japan etc. Shakuit Aziz appointed him ambassador at Large in 2004.
Links of Hussain Haqqani with above information
Haqqani is trapped by Farahnaz Ispahani to use his talent for her ancestral sectarian role and keep up monopoly of their cronies appointed throughout world and locally, otherwise Haqqani is a middle class person well known for his fundamental beliefs, and change in his ideology was surprising for lot of persons who knows him since early education, he was trapped by Ispahani, who viciously took place of his second wife, and later adopted her religion, and now he is flag bearer of sectarian doctrine of Ispahani & Co. However Haqqani himself is opportunist and he is also using Ispahani as stair to get benefits of established mafia.
Same story took place with Z A Bhutto, and he was so fascinated by Iranian Naheed (Sikandar Mirza) and Nusrat (Bhutto) that later what happened in Pakistan is a history, and will be presented at some appropriate time. There are so many other victims of sectarian extremism and Iranian women.
Particularly Hussain Haqqani has lost his senses and gone too far in influence of his rich sectarian wife, and no harm in naming as sectarian fanatic or extremist. Both ruined the career of Naheed khan and Safdar Abbasi, those were named in murder of BB, and yesterday those were not even invited in oath taking ceremony of Zardari, major crime of Nahid Khan is that she is sister of former wife of Haqqani (in fact that marriage was part of opportunism of Haqqani to take advantage of Naheed Khan’s relations with BB). Example of opportunism of Ispahani was visible and her activities at president house should be alarming for Haqqani.
If you may like to know what polluted doctrine Ispahani & Co has? Listen to Zafar Hilali on Dawn TV channel; judge his poisonous doctrine full of sectarian hate. Such peoples are called “establishment” since creation of Pakistan, sucking its blood and their loyalties are with enemies of Pakistan. Think what Farahnaz Ispahani had been doing on foreign channels as employee, only to damage Pakistan.
g names of her killers is very important. whats the role of haqqani and her wife. read someting interesting.
@nota
read why zardari is pointing fingers on saudis
http://www.makepakistanbetter.com/Why_how_what_forum.asp?GroupID=1&ArticleID=3904
sorry in the above mentioned post i posted the article in the middle of my opening remarks
This piece is turning into shia/sunni (Saudi/iran) proxy blog.
it has given a good opportunity to all haiders, naqvis, razas, jaaferis rtc to vent their usual anger against the Saudis. The rest are defending them.
I think that this Muslim country is not Saudi Arab, it is Afghanistan. Saudi’s are great friend of Pakistan and they can not even think about such terrible action.
However Afghanistan is surely playing a great role in dysfunction of Pakistan. It has been traced that through Afghanistan India is supplying Guns and money to destabilize Pakistan.
And Mr. Bramdagh Bugti who is claiming independence for blochistan is living in the neighbourhood of Mr Karzai Palace.
Saudi’s are active in Pakistan politics to bring in Nawaz Shrif.
although i had stopped reading R Klasra but his article in the News today gives more weight to the conspiracy theory re tilt towards Iran and annoyance of Saudies
http://www.thenews.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=21975
he writes
‘Likewise the Saudi rulers having strong influence within the Pakistani establishment were seriously annoyed when he openly started not only defying them, but also started coming closer to its traditional enemy, Iran. The major irritant for the Saudis after the sacking of the Sharif government in Punjab was Zardari’s new love for relationship with Iran, as they feared it would revive the influence of Iran within Pakistan, and this is where the Saudis were concerned’
it seems like Dr SM has got his timings completely muddled up in his conspiracy theory ….because Saudies showed their displeasure towards ZPP after Iran incident….and perhaps rightly so as it is really Saudies who have bailed out Pakistan when in need whereas Iran has always been waiting for opportunities to damage Pakistan despite our support to them in need of hour
this really gives weight to @nota’s observation ‘He might be just upset with Saudis for refusing to transfer any aid directly to his personal bank account’!!
@Malek
have u read my posted link above abt farah naz isphani
@all
reading carefully the article. i realised zardari is trying to implicate some ISI elements with saudis and trying to save his and his cronies from BB’s murder.
@R A AHMED
if afghanistan,why zardari is having PYAR KI GHAPPI AGAIN AND AGAIN with corrup karzai?
It is hard to believe you SM. I think this “news” has been planted by your master. He found out that you could not help them in the “best” possible way by staying in PTV=mouthpiece of any government. When they realised their fault they sent you back to from where you came, but thank God you were already exposed as the hypocrite you are.
BTW: I don’t deny that you (in between) make some good work, but that’s a part of the game plan to become “reliable”. That’s what you have to do and then off course the plan is to put in Zardari-spin. People with a little bit of sense will not be fooled by you again
@imran25
r u referring to your article 7 May 2009 at 8:48 am?
not yet…..but may be after i have started some ‘work’ at work!
@Shirkuh
whats the point ?r u mr haaqani or rehman malik?instead of commenting on zardari crime,u r trying to malign people who r exposing him. CJ IMC is a govt servant. is he a hypocrite? I am sure some people on this plateform are either zardaris hidden chamchas or failed media guys jealous of dr shahid and come back with their venom,whenever he does something brilliant.
i was disappointed when he went to ptv and glad he admitted his mistake publicaly, coming out clean.
is he corrupt,? having properties or plots? exposed of what? go and get some treatment for your mental disorders.
let me assure people are not fools. comment on the article.
An oldie, but goldie:
Princess Ferragamo at the Barricades – It’s all about “regime change”
@Malek
yes. i am neither sunni or shia myself . just an ordinary muslim . and hate secterianism, but pl remember BB and Zardari are shias.
this goes deep in modern muslim world as well.
and the they declared it.
@Malek
Since you are here, here is something unrelated but a subject we had talked about before:
Did you hear PITB Office caught fire two days ago? ALL records were conveniently destroyed
Funny thing is the PITB Main Office had long been moved to Model Town but office that caught fire was on 6th floor of LDA Plaza
those who believe that any country ( iran, saudi arab , india, afghanistan, russia usa or china) can be “friend” of pakistan
need to read history.
pakistanis themselves are sufficient to destroy this country, and they have done major part of that job in 1971 with the help of “friends”
and now they are working on the rest of job
points to remember
no british army was ever sent to win muslim india
local muslims won india for british
when the ottoman turks finished conquering most of eastern europe, their armies marched
to win the then austrohungarian empire, vieanna was besieged and was about to fall
embessadors from viesnna came for help to safavid iran , the help was provided
iranian army was moved to attack ottoman turks, and turkish army had to
go back without conquering vieanna,
the role of saudi nation state not to revive caliph when last turkish sultan was
banned in 1924 by turkish grand assembly is no secret
as long as ottoman empire existed, muslims all over the world could go to do hajj and umra
without a visa, could live there as long as they like and could work without an iqama
From the Rauf Klasra piece:
“Nawaz Sharif, the seasoned politicians believe, holds the key to the new set-up. There is a mature realisation in some top PPP circles that Nawaz Sharif had acted wisely and saved the system on March 16 by calling off the long march despite the fact that conditions were ripe to fold the system.”
And here is the funny bit:
“Circles close to the president rejected the report on any move to change the government. They said Zardariís image was tremendously enhanced after he restored the deposed judges fulfilling the will of the people.”
@nota
to be honest i have been pretty depressed with the situation in Pakistan and have only been infrequently listening to news/pkpolitics etc
sorry i dont know about PITB news item?….to start with what is PITB?? (ignorant me!)
@imran25
“whats the point ?”
Should be obvious. Don’t ask silly questions.
“r u mr haaqani or rehman malik?”
In “fact” I am both
Newbies don’t know, but all the old visitors “know” which camp I belong to.
“instead of commenting on zardari crime,u r trying to malign people who r exposing him.”
Let’s see how the story develops.
“CJ IMC is a govt servant. is he a hypocrite?”
Who claims that?
“I am sure some people on this plateform are either zardaris hidden chamchas or failed media guys jealous of dr shahid and come back with their venom,whenever he does something brilliant.”
I think you are “on spot”. SM took “MY” job when he made his comeback
Is your age 25?
@Malek
This might remind you
@Shirkuh
sorry i i said somthing wrong.
yes i am 25.
@nota
oh yes…remember now!
have you got any link to the fire story?
my understanding was…remember reading it long time ago that the ghost IT company was not awarded contract and some investigation was underway………….
@Imran25
@Malek
Nope. Tried but could not find one. It only made it to the print edition of Dawn (Metropolitan section, Lahore edition) and is nowhere to be found online.
The fire was noticed at 6 am Sunday morning by a passerby….As always, an electrical short-circuit was blamed… (wink wink)
rouf klasra,report is rubbush.there is no danger to zerdari government.zerdari doing great.after 5 year pakistan will be very diffrient what we seeing now.its very possible zerdarie could rule next 15 years.
@Malek
P.S. Also the Chairman Rizwan Amin Sheikh along with other few top officials were arrested (but not the main culprit Kamran Khan). Guess they will now go free as well
@democrate
You really are funny. Thaks for the laugh
@Shirkuh
why robert gates in saudi arabia gave a statement that they should play an important role in pakistan’s politics?
when the dumb zardari tola is having photops in washington? kayani went to saudi arabia last week but refused to join zardari trip? why kyani and mullen r so close? why everyone meeting zardari in US but the pentagon guys? like mullen,david patreaus?
@nota
Unfortunately the story about PITB hardly surprises anyone.
The institutes in Pakistan remind me of Davis Attenborough’s nature programs. Whenever he turns a stone he is ready to tell a story about what (creepy-crawleys) is beneath a stone. The same goes with each institute/venture with a relation to the rulers in Pakistan. Whenever someone digs just a little bit, then we see a sea of fraud cases, incompetent leadership, nepotism etc.
@imran25
Isn’t it obvious?
@nota
Zard-o-crate wrote:
“after 5 year pakistan will be very diffrient what we seeing now”
I think we can agree on the above statement. If this fraudster completes his job (God forbid), then the above statement could be true.
@Shirkuh
different plans at the same time with different players you mean?
@imran25
Because “So far he’s done everything he told me he would do.”
@Shirkuh
“I think we can agree on the above statement”
But can you imagine Pakistan after “15 years” Zardaro rule?
@imran25
I think it’s a part of the grand plan for the area. The SA regime is totally controlled by the US. All the actions are approved by the Yankees, but the financing is coming from different accounts. SA uses their money to fulfil the Yankee plan (MuselmanoN key jotey MusalmanoN ke sar par maro). Be it the financing of Taliban, which has the aim to fuel the unrest in the area (especially Pakistan) to provide USA the excuse to stay in our neighbourhood to fulfil their goals i.e. control the resources, split potential powerful countries like Pakistan into small pieces, sell outdated weapons so that Muslims can kill Muslims. Our leaders don’t seem too bothered, and why should they be since they (most of them) have their main assets outside Pakistan. At least they (contrary to common man) have a safe haven outside Pakistan.
@nota
un-imaginable
Even five years seems like end of times
@imran25
Corrupt people are the best puppet because they have no will of their own.
This sectarian division exists only in low class.
Upper class has only one sect i.e. money.
You quote Farah Isphahani and her sectarianism, probably she does not know the name of 12 Imams and then you took it all the way to Sikandar Mirza and his wife and Nusrat Bhutto like they were players implanted in destruction of Pakistan.
ZAB was not shia but then perhaps an unknown enemy of Pakistan brought NB from Iran and convince him to marry her because some good work in destruction of Pakistan was expected from her.
And NB successfully destroyed Pakistan by giving first and only constitution of Pakistan and her conspiracy against Pakistan was not limited, she also make sure constitution upheld Quran and sunnah.
She further damaged Pakistan through her husband by making it a nuclear state.
She didn’t stop here, she had him built one and only steel mill, which may help in building weapons and theres unending list of her damage to this country.
Mr. Your conspiracy theory is wildest of all known theories.
You have to make up your mind, is Zaradi implanted as a stooge or he has his own free will to be friendly with Iran.
If he is puppet, which probably is the case and Saudia for sure is a plaything of Masa then make no mistake both of these players right now being played to break Pakistan.
Nothing could be more potent tool to break Pakistan than sectarianism, Masa know the polarity of both players, one is north(shia) and other is south(wahabi).
Suppose Saudia is involved in BB killing but how Zardari knows it unless Masa through establishments has convinced him.
Once Zardari was convinced KSA behind it, Masa used shia and sunni card , which could be detrimental for the existence of this nuclear state.
A rift already exist in the form of Iran and Arab conflict, only a name has to be given it as shia sunni conflict though corrupt Arabs has nothing to do with sunni Islam on the other hand Iran has to do everything with shia Islam.
NY Times and Washington Post are not Daily Jang or Daily Dawn, these are well reputed newspapers and they bear responsibility for everything they report.
If these papers say Pakistan is left with few months then we must take it seriously.
All these things about Arab Iran and shia sunni pop up from nowhere for nothing, there must be some planning behind these schemes.
@Shirkuh
but we should remember,that we can no more provide a battlefield for proxys btw SA and IRAN,as we did in ZIAs era. we will be destroyed this time.
Another point here are the nukes. if iran is working on its programme,what are saudis and arabs doing to counter it?
@imran25
Very seriously who are u and whats ur agenda here.
You are speaking exactly Masa language.
Read carefully what you wrote and try to find some similarity with Masa.
“Another point here are the nukes. if iran is working on its programme,what are saudis and arabs doing to counter it?”
@imran25
And don’t forget the Yankees. They were an integral part if not the leading part when this mess was created during Zia’s era.
Things are so bad now that we need to swallow bitter pills. First of all we need peace and then deal with elements hostile towards Pakistan. Here I am foremost thinking about the lackeys of foreign governments/agencies.
@jazoo
what is Masa friend?
@Shirkuh
Agree. every country has lot of internal religious and ethinic dives,but no one is suffering like us. even lebanon has learned its lessons. if we dont show our weakness to the world and beg for their help, try to resolve them ourselves, only then can we survive.
I agree with your point,all our so called muslim brother are puppets of yankees,playing their own games.
We should clear our mess ourself first.
Freemason@
I admire your post regarding Iran and also surprised that admin has allowed it( anything I write about shias/Iran had always being moderated and not allowed on site).
Iran’s supporter on this site can never( or may with some spin can actually) justified khana-e-farhang presence in every nook and corner of Pakistan, but not allowing a single ”Sunni Mosque” in whole of tehran.
This hatred of anything sunni goes back to times of Ameer ul Moemaneen Umar bin Khattab’s conquest of fire worshipping Iran, and this will go forever.
admin@ I am not surprised, you can allow anything against Allah and Rasool Allah but not against those who hates our rasool and khulafa, shame on you
@imran25
You ask me whats Masa friend
“In continuation to “Postmortem of Faraznaz Ispahani and Hussain Haqqani”, some more information is collected to highlight activities of Farahnaz Ispahani, in reply to her sectarian video address (click link given below).”
A Masa friend would talk about so called sectarian video without giving the link to that video.
The text you brought from known sectarian site makepakistanbetter.com
I am seriously interested to watch her sectarian stuff, pl post the link to her video if you have one.
Dr Shahid Masood was part of the government few months back…. He is pointing fingure to the most thought off accuse.
US gift:
Problems with Afghanistan, Problems with Iran, issues coming up with China and now Saudi Arabia. India was already our enemy. Russians are not going to spare any opportunity.
What do we want to do with this country?
Don’t you people think we as a nation heading for a huge disaster due to these agents of CIA, MI6 and others?
This is the only video I found about Farah Isphahani.
I am not fan of her or her husband but please some sane poster tells me wheres the sectarian stuff she is talking about.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17Avakc2gqk&feature=PlayList&p=0F995B375FB1FF0E&index=47&playnext=2&playnext_from=PL
Dear All,
It is part of politics that some ppl prefer some party or idealogy and other prefer some others..this is called diversity and beauty of any society.We should agree or disagree on any agenda or thought system but we should avoid being very personal or even use unethical lanaguage.any ways,If you have time,do visit following link and check out latest interview of President Zardari with CNN.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ziNELTBUBNE
Thanks
If there was an “Islami Mulk” , it was Afghanistan. I find it funny how Pakistani’s automatically assume “Saudi Arabia” whenever they hear “Islami Mulk” … though nothing could be further from the truth …
I’m not sure how “Islami” automatically means “Saudi Arabia”. Even if S.A. was involved, Zardaro is too much of a coward to mention their names to America whom he knows are the real masters. Implicating S.A. is like implicating the US itself, plus you wouldn’t get any money to boot and plus we know HOW MUCH he really Wuved Benazir …
“Hello? BS? is it you BS?”
First of all, Dr. S.M is talking out of his a$$ as usual. And whatever he said does not imply “Saudi Arabia” by any stretch of the imagination. If Zardari had accused them, they would never recieve him at that high a level.
Guess who was the last “leader” to meet her on the day of her assassination?
Hamid Karzai.
How have the relations been with Afghanistan Karzai?
Strained!
[tinfoil hat = on]
MY hunch has always been that Karzai was somehow involved in this. In fact my conspiracy theory has both Zardari and Karzai in it as both seem to be CIA assets.
He probably put some kind of ‘pixie dust’ on her so the killer could see her clearly.
You gotta wonder why the killer was wearing sunglasses at dusk time, it doesn’t really help you see better when the light is so low to begin with.
And you gotta wonder why the crime scene was washed so quickly … was it because there was some kind of luminescent material that would have looked really weird to the interrorgaters?
[tinfoil hat = off]
Dear all,
Our land of pure contains all the tastes of the world. This is fact that Zardari regime days are numbered and you will see the change within less than 90 days. The reason behind is USA, Saudis and most importantly establishment who are not happy with games played by Zardari, Rehman malik etc.
Coming to topic, in this world every step is measured by benefit. If we look at Benazir death, we can simply analysed who all are beneficial from her death. Those who are dancing on the rings wont be in the scene if she would be there. So all of them are involved as they have been avoiding investigation on one pretext or other. I know that killers can be identified easily by forensic analysis of her body even today but look at approach towards UN. UN investigation will be much theoretical in nature as criminal investigation is not their mandate. So we must see who all are demanding UN investigation are serious in finding her killers…. i dont think so.
Mr Zardari is a big mouth, shrewd personality. He must be trying to play smart by blaming saudis to american who like always acted smartly to isolate Pakistan by transferring information to them.
Mr Zardari is just a player, he is the pawn not the controller of the game, who is only intersted in minting money due own lust… so if he goes to whereever, it should not bother pakistanis.
@Kashif
Dear Alia ne pakistan sirif UK main settel hone ke leye chorra hey or GEO ka sahara leya he kion ke GEO main us ka bap ek Show ka host hey baqi sab darama hey.
Zardari can blame anyone for the assasination of BB, just to divert the attention of real happenings. It was he who has benefitted most, the smile on his face tells it all. He accumulated all the wealth and never liked it BB sharing it with him. Now he is even claiming Bhuttos vast properties in Larkana, Naudero and Karachi. He also got BB insured and all the benefits goes to him. Two people who had knowledge of BBs death, driver and BBs friends who came to visit after her death, died misteriously. This is all drama from Zardari and his cohort Rehman Malik. I agree with Dr. Shahid in one point all the gang with Zardari will run soon from country, this time they have accumulated billions of dollars and will never come back.
@nota
‘The fire was noticed at 6 am Sunday morning by a passerby…..’
agree short circuits happen around late night and early hours of morning when no one is using electricity!
Yes fire was hardly surprising as you and @shirkuh say however what seems surprising was that such a ‘well established’ IT company only had ‘manual’ records all burnt by fire……..IT equipment was for display purposes only….with back up and disaster recovery plans…..all catching fire at 6am!
Well if Zardari has done that, then though Pakistanis have never liked or approved of the man for this job, he might be right there, but then we have always given this right to the others. and now people are asking the following question:
http://www.pakspectator.com/is-saudi-arabia-friend-of-muslims/
But the truth is that above all these accusations and perhaps the conspiracy theories and finger pointing, we the Pakistanis should get to our feet, and stop looking towards KSA and USA.
Shahid masood is actually getting more psychotic each day and he needs to see a psychiatrist, his articles are just heresy in my view and he has lost all credibility after accepting ptv bribe and now only tries to say sensational things to stay in the competition.I say he should provide strong evidence instead of just blabbering away whatever he can think in his psychotic fit.
brothers , clever politicians think of the countrys future , not playing in hands of others.from the start it was not the right time to divide indian muslims leaving so many behind, q azam didnt didnt prepare leader ship for even 5 yrs,even after him there was no right person to rule the country.liberation of country need blood( we have given blood onlt during migration) not dreams of iqbal.then army destoyed country,Zia fought USA war calling it jihad .some leaders like wali khan used to say it is american war no body was listening.now afganis hate pakis as they think that we have destroyed AFGH.Saudis are pupets ,helped pak to build traing camps in shape of madrasas but how many hospital or schools they have built for us.they suported sadam to fight agains iran new revoltion , iran didnt have any choice except to buy weapons from israel.saudis responsible for kiling shias in pak.responsible for taliban.As far zardari can i ask you one question when he was in jail for 10 yrs why he was not proved quilty , why the money was not taken from him , our justice system is same corupt as zardai.what about chaudry , faisal hayat, sherpao.why there is no major issue in india because of groomed politician and secularism.religiuos people are killing in mosques.taliban says it is right to slaughter people because they r quoting weak hadit
I just posted my comments for the first time but it seems they are not being posted on the site,i have joined this site for the first time.i ask admin whether only few pesons are allowed to put up their comments?
I see my comments now, thanks.
I believe that saudi arabia who has always been helping pakistan should not be dragged into zardari (the snake)s politics,they dont are care about what he is doing but anybody with right sense would not give aid to a person who goes to beg with 200 people in 2 planes and spends millions of tax money on his begging tour and what interest saudis had that they had to kill BB.Shahid masood needs his medicine.
Zardari and Shahid Masud are untrusted person nows……….
Zardari is mentally sick
Saudi is a true friend or a brother of Pakistan
SA kingdom cannot let us down
Zardari a real threat to Pak future,, he bowed before India by say her Pakisani k ander ik bharati hay
Why he does not want to launch an
investigation of BB assasination,,,why He did not let her body for postmortm
he himself is involved
As a metter of Gawadr and Blochistan, India has been given a free Hand by both Our Western Muslim neighbours.
Guys .. my urdu reading is li mited .. I can only read a few lines of the fine print in Jang .. can anyone post the english translation.
Thanks
Dr Shahid is a self confessed agent of multiple agencies (watch Jawab deh).
Zardari still is the chief suspect of killing Murtaza Bhutto – the police officer incharge of Murtaza’s Murder (Shoaib suddle) was made IG sindh when Zardari returned to power this time. The same officer was given extention when he retired!!
Despite all her weaknesses we miss BB at this critical juncture.
The country seems rudderless in her absence.
She had the will & courage to face this menace we call taliban.
The wrong policies of Saudia and their allies have diminished pakistan’s institutions in cold war.These Saudias’s agents still exist and sometimes make their existence as they deeply rooted in history .
I do not believe that Saudi Arabia was involved in the killing of Benazir Bhutto. I am a strong believer that USA is behind this dirty game.
Zardari happened to be a lucky bast***d and landed in the right time and got support of US and now enjoying the presidency which is more like a dictatorship in my opinion.
Israel does not want any Iran to have a nuclear weapon. Pakistan happened to be next to Iran and an Islamic country and more prone to selling nuclear technology to Iran, is not considered to be a safe country to have a nuclear weapon by West and most specifically, Israel.
Since, Israel has a very strong influence in US government and its policies, USA is doing everything to prove that Pakistan is “unstable” and is a safe heaven for Talibans and most likely that its nuclear weapons may end up in Taliban’s control. Therefore, USA will send its forces or agents to control the nuclear assests of Paksitan (for the sake and security of Pakistan).
All of these Taliban activities, in my opinion, are being funded by the USA. All of the bomb blasts are either directly or indirectly (with the help of Indians or Talibans) are being arranged by USA.
Zardari has already sold himself to USA and his saying that Saudi Arabia is involved in the killing of Benazir Bhutto is a step that Saudis won’t like and they might isolate Pakistan. Likewise, other Islamic countries might follow Saudi Arabia and this will just help USA and ofcourse India to divide Pakistan into atleast three regions.
Our media needs to make our people aware of the real circumstances and situations.
@altf_0011 I am 100% agree with you,see when PPP and NS-L SIGNED COD in London,they clearly were agree on not to talk with any army general in future but she did talk with musharaf in uae and got nro deal which was against pakistan law also,if big fish can get away from this justice system of pakistan then how about little guys who are in jail for ever?
on Saudi involvement in bb-s is a joke of the century.
@imran25
Some more on Masa friend
A Masa friend would tell Arabs
Irani nuclear program which is not nuke yet is more dangerous for Arabs than peaceful atom bomb of peace loving Israel.
@ ranajee.
Majority of comments shown here, indicate the the same, but correct, line of thinking, just as yours.The only problem is, who will listen? When the ‘only super power’ i.e; USA, has been all along, & since donkey years, (& still is,) all three-in one, i.e; the Jury, Judge & the Executioner, then ‘nobody can do nothin’ as per the language used by Obama’s Yankee tribe, i.e; by his negro counterparts.
huge conspiracy aggainst Pakistan
No doubt that Saudis might have leaded the dirty game of assassination of BB. When they can take Mian Brothers out and press Musharraf to make a deal they can do everything.
They were being the supporters and financiers of the Sipah-e-Sahabah in killing shia community in Pakistan.
However the inside of the Saudi is very dirty. And Saudi government is the puppy of UK and USA.
We Pakistani are unlucky , and it is a shame for us that we wanted to get rid of Musharraf and wanted Democracy but what we got …nothing ,,, again there is one Person who makes decision not the Pak Parliament,,,#
And this is too much that he claims that he believes in Democracy…
You mentally sick shit if you believe in Democracy why you not Act upon that the Parliament joint session Resolution Passed unanimously last October…
Now what is Reason for blaming SA simple already the world is against Pak few countries Left who Stay with us …He wants Tell them not to support Pak…Which is what USA and India Want
He is doing exactly What India and US want him to do… SA is the only country which will be deeply hurt if any change is brought in Pak Geography, Compare to our other neighbours who will be very happy to see what they wanted for long time
World most intelligent and educated brains are in USA plus they got billion of dollors. Don’t even think that Saudi’s or any other country is free to play their own game. Benazir Bhutto raise a question in his last speech ‘ Who is supplying arms to Taliban in Swat? and She said C. Iftikhar is our chief justice… and she murderd. US always support dictators in muslim countries. US don’t like over smart people in muslim world.
I am open to donating my hard earned money to pay the Saudi’s to get rid of Zardari via whatever methods, including assassination -;)…………….seems like such an action is now overdue for AZ-;)
‘Over smart’ people of Pakistan, Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto, Benazir Bhutto and now who will be the next? NS ? no, IK is the next, because he is talking in same tune like Bhutto and BB. These three persons studied in same educational insitiute.
@ iamsowise.
You have very nicely worded the whole problem. The world also knows that it is the Jewish power & conspiracy, behind every country, including the U.S itself. Any suggested solution?
A good read prepared by a Jamati friend of mine
Historical reminders of the Past Intrigues:
1990. June. Iraq requests compensation from Arab countries for war with Iran that nearly bankrupted Iraq. The heated debate in a meeting results into claim of Kuwait as territory of Iraq.
1990, June. Saddam confers with U.S. Ambassador April C. Glaspie about claim over Kuwait and plans to attack Kuwait. Glaspie informs him, “U.S. considers this a quarrel between two Arab family members.”
1990, July 2. Iraqi troops enter Kuwait, the prelude to Gulf War, a trap for Saddam set by U.S. and Israel for his continued support of the Palestinians. 1990, July: U.S. grants Visa to Sheikh Omar Abdel Rahman (the blind Egyptian Cleric who helped OBL in the recruitment of Mujahideen) to come to United States, but Zionists had other plans for him. His contacts and movements amongst Arab/Muslim community are surveilled by hired FBI Informants, Mahmud Zaki Zakhary (an Egyptian Coptic Christian) and another Egyptian traitor, Col. Emad Salem around the Mosque in Jersey City, New Jersey.
November 5, 1990. An Egyptian American, El Sayyid Nosair assassinates a Zionist, Rabbi Meir Kahane (founder of the Jewish Defense League or JDL). Right Wing Zionist JDL is a terrorist organization created to assassinate and kill Muslims/Arabs in U.S. who support Palestinian cause
1991, Jan.16. U.S. declares War to Liberate Kuwait, by equating Saddam with Hitler.
1991, Sept 12.. “Iraqi soldiers were buried alive: Army officials say thousands ploughed under in trenches,” by Patrick J. Sloyan of Newsday, reprinted in Houstob Chronicle, Thursday.
This news is corroborated by Atkinson in his book: “CUSADE: The Untold Story of Persian Gulf War,” published by Houghton Mifflin and Company, Boston, New York, and a documentary assisted by Atkinson and telecast by PBS-TV.
1992, February. “Speaking Out: A Campaign to Discredit Islam? Time for American Muslims to Wake Up,” by Paul Findley, U.S. Congressman for 22 years, The Washington Repoort on Middle East Affairs, pp. 38 & 83.
1992, Sept. 8. “Gulf War’s Cost to Arabs Estimated at $620 Billion, ” by Youssef Ibrahim, NYT, pp. a4, col. 1&2.
1993, March.. “Hate Watch: Secret Files on Arab Americans Sold by U.S. Police Officer to Israel,” by Rachelle Marshal, The Washington Report on Middle East Affairs, pp. 16 & 18.
3/23/93. ” Editorial: Beware of Religious Stalinists – . . . The Gulf War was just a paragraph , the World Trade Center bombing a sentence in the long war between the West and the radical Islam . . .” by Mortimer B. Zuckerman, Editor-in-Chief, U.S. News & World Report, page 80.
1993, March 30. The CIA anf the SHEIKH,” by Robert I Friedman, published by “the village VOICE,” Vol. XXXVIII, No. 13, pp 20-26, March 30, 1993.
It’s also posted on web at:
http://billstclair.com/911timeline/1990s/villagevoice033093.html
1993, Feb. 26. First bomb attack on World Trade Center killed 6, and for this four Arabs were convicted and sentenced for more than 250 years and sent to the highest security prison in Colorado.
1993, Apr. 19. A 51-day siege of WACO, Texas ends in a brutal clash between Federal agents from ATF and FBI sharpshooters, ends as burning more than 70 alive under the orders of Clinton’s Attorney General, Janet Reno.
1994, Feb. 21. CIA officer Aldrich Ames and his wife caught for spying and passing U.S. secrets to Russia, and received life sentence.
1994, May 6. NYT: “U.S. Portrays Wide Network of Terror in Bomb Plot Case,” by Richard Bernstein (pages 5/6/94 (pp. A1&B11).
1994, May 9. Former Top BCCI Executive (Swaleh Naqvi) Pleads Not Guilty,” Reuters/AOL.
1994, May 9. Judge Joyce Hens Green: BCCI fugitive may plea bargain. UPI/AOL
1994, May 25.. “Trade Center Bombers Get Prison Terms of 240 Years – Extraordinary Sentence Bars Parole Bids,” by Richard Bernstein, NYT (Wed. pp.A1 & A11).
1994. Cease-Fire in Chechenya Punctuated by Shelling,” Nazom, Russia – AP.
1994. Afghan Rebel Leader (Gulbuddin Hikmetyar) Suffers Major Defeat – Charayab, Afghanistan
1994, Sept. 15. U.S. used depleted Uranium Shells in “desert storm,” {Ref. METAL OF DISHONOR by Helen Caldicott et al. International Action Center, New York 1999.
1995, Jan. 6. “Conspiracy Trial Gives Muslim Sheik Pulpit of a Lifetime”: Omer Abdel Rahman’s Blend of Religion and Politics will Get Global Spotlight,’ by Peter Waldman & Francis McMorris, Staff reporters, Wall Street Journal.
1995, Feb. 6. “Bomb Plot Defendant (Siddig Ibrahim Siddig Ali) came from wealthy upbringing,” by Jeane King, Reuters.
1995, Feb. 7. . “Bomber Plot Defendant Enters Plea of Guilty, Turning U.S. Witness,” by Richard Bernstein, (pp. A1 & A8).
1995, Feb. 8. “F.B.I. Watched Two Defendants in Bomb Plot Trial Since 1989,” Richard Bernstein, NYT, pp. A1&A9.
1995, Feb. 9. “Authorities Are Seeking a Link to Bomb Plots in Thailand and the Philippines,” David Johnston, NYT.
And “Jury in the Bomb Plot Trial Is Questioned About Arrest.” Dennis Hevesi., NYT.
1995, Feb. 10. “Behind Bomb Fugitive’s Arrest, Quick Action On Informer’s Tip: World Manhunt Had Sought Suspected Plotters,” Richard Bernstein, NYT, pp. A1 & A12.
1995, Feb. 2. “Pakistan Reports Terror Informer Taken to U.S. for His Protection,” John F. Burns, NYT pp. A1 & A12.
1995, Feb.13. “Pakistani Officials Hope Move Will Help Repair Ties With U.S,” (Pakistan’s speedy deportation of a bombing suspect has political risks), John F. Burns, NYT.
1995, Feb. 14. “Informer (Ishtiaq Parker of South Africa) in Terror Case is Reported to Hate U.S. Bounty or No, He Shared Suspect’s Faith,” John F. Burns, NYT.
1995, Feb. 15. “Informer in Terror Case Is No Hero in Homeland (Johannesburg, Cape Town),” Bill Keller, NYT, Wed. pp. A7.
1995, Feb. 15. CIA Blocks Release of Documents on Japan (WDC), NYT.
1995, Feb. 16. “Judge to Name Lawyer for Bombing Suspect,” James C. McKinley, NYT, Thursday.
1995, Dec. 14. Warring parties in Bosnia and Herzogovina were herded in Dayton, OH to sign a treaty.
1997, June 22. Timothy McVeigh, was convicted for blowing up the Federal building in Oklahoma City and eventually put to death by lethal injection.
1997, Nov. 12. Ramzi Ahmed Yousef and Eyad Ismail Yousef were convicted for World Trade Center Bombing plot, and sent to high security prison in Florence, Colorado to serve their life sentences.
1998, Jan. 22. Dr. Theodore Kaczynski, the so-called Unabomber (apprehended by his brother who was lured by his wife to collect million dollar reward), pleaded guilty and sentenced for life to serve his sentence in the famous high security prison in Florence, Colorado.
1998, July 28. Monica Lewinsky sex scandal comes to light, and ended into a disgraceful event for President Clinton resulting into his impeachment trial for which he was acquitted on Feb. 12, 1999 by the Special prosecutor Ken Starr and Senate inquiry.
1999, Feb. 4. Amadou Diallo 22, an innocent immigrant shot to death by New York City Police pumping 41 bullets in his body without provocation or threat.
1999. April 13. Dr. Jack Kavorkian, MD, who assisted 130 patients take their own life, was sentenced to 10 years imprisonment. He was released from jail about two weeks ago.
1999, July 16. . John F. Kennedy Jr, son of late President JFK, died in mysterious plane crash along with his wife Carolyn Bessette Kennedy , and his sister-in-law Lauren Bessette.
EVENTS IN TWENTY FIRST CENTURY:
July 15, 2001 in a strategic meeting to warn Taliban not to go with the offer of BRIDAS of Argentina, they are threatened in this Berlin meeting “If you go with us we will pave for you a carpet of gold, but if you don’t then you will be buried under a carpet of bombs.” The rest is history. The Oil-Rich region of the Middle East and CAR has been termed as “Petrolistan” by Paul Robins, in Houston Environmental Directory, 2007, and full description of this area is provided in a 30-page PDF File on the Web at http://www.environmentaldirectory.info [just click on Houston after clicking on this web-link. This web-link provides very useful information
The book "The Terror Timeline" provides the following vital information:
The interest of Exxon Mobil, Texaco, Unocal, BP, Amoco, ENRON and Shell Oil companies in Oil & Gas Pipelines to bring these commodities from Central Asian Republics to the Arabia sea, especially that of Turkmenistan-Afghanistan-Pakistan pipeline for which there still exists hindrance through Afghanistan and Pakistan, and for this excuse is being used for the continued existence of Al-Qaeda and Taliban for which NATO forces in concert with Pakistan are being used to flush out this area by series of Covert operations and Bombing Raids. The current episode in Islamabad related Jamia Hafsa & Red Mosque is part of the same game in which billions of dollars are stake for the parties involved and Afghanistan-Pakistan corridor for completion of this vital OIL outlet to the Market.
May- 2001 George Tennet visited Pakistan
2001, June 12. Sting Operation "Diamondback" by FBI conducted and entrapped two guys, named Diaa Mohsin and Mohammed Mallick who wanted to buy Shoulder fired Missiles, from an undercover FBI agent.
September 12, 2001: Pakistani General Mahmud, Chief of ISI, receives threat from Richard Armitage, Under Sec. of State, "Help us and breathe in the 21st Century along with the international community or be prepared to live in the stone age."
Mid September 2001: Israeli elite Counter-terrorism unit Sayeret Matkal arrived in the U.S. and began training with U.S. Special Forces in a secret location. The two groups developed contingency plans to attack Pakistan's military bases and remove its nuclear weapons if the Pakistani government or the nuclear weapons fall into the wrong hands." [Ref. Seymour Hersh, “New Yorker” Magazine , Oct. 29, 2001]
July 1, 2001. Meeting in Berlin failed, in which last effort to persuade Taliban to dissuade them from accepting BRIDA’s higher bid for ATP Pipeline was made leading to a threat: “Either you accept our offer of a carpet of gold, or we will bury you under a carpet of bombs.” [Witness- Niaz Naik, Pakistan's former Foreign Minister, and corroborated by Lee Coldren, a member of U.S. delegation] Taliban representative walked out, and the rest is history.
2002, Feb. 4. “Periscope – Deals: “Neal Bush’s Saudi Business Connections,” Michael Isikoff, News Week, pp. 6.
2003. “AN END TO EVIL: How To Win The War On Terror,” by David Frum and Richard Perle, Ballantine Books New York 2003 & 2004 (pbk). [David Frum and Richard Perle, the two Neocons along with many others are responsible for invasion and occupation of Afghanistan and Iraq. Frum interjected the words "Axis of Evil" in Bush's speech after 9/11. For their description of "Evil" they have used the words Islamic schools (pp. 73, 74, 77, 79, 112, 113, 223, 225, and 226); Jihad (pp. 2, 6, 16, 26, 50, 75, 106-106, 117, 119, 131, 224, 225,
and 231); Muslims (pp. 24, 109, 194, 238,255-57, 261, and 262);and Taliban (pp. 29, 36, 37, 64, 100, 132, 149, 181, 184, 191, 197, 206, 222, 223, 237). President Bush has used the word "Evil" umpteen times in his speeches.
2004: "Nuclear Terrorism: The Ultimate Preventable Catastrophe," by Graham Allison, Owl Books/Henry Holt and Company, New York 2004 & 2005. ISBN 0-8050-7852-5. [Graham Allison is the founding Dean of Harcard's modern John F. Kennedy School of Government, and the Director of the Belfer Center for Science and International Affairs and the Douglas Dillon Professor of Government. The author of "Essence of Decision: Explaining the Cuban Missile Crisis." He served as special advisor to the secretary of defense under President Reagan and as assistant secretary of defense under President Clinton.]
Reference “The Terror Timeline: year by year, day by day, minute by Minute (A comprehensive chronicle of the road to 9/11 – and America’s response,” by Paul Thompson and the Center for Cooperative research, foreword by Peter Lance, Regan Books/Harper Collins Publishers, New York 2004. ISBN 0-06-078338-9 (pbk).
2005. “The Al-Qaeda Connection: International Terrorism, Organized Crime, and the Coming Apocalypse,” by Paul L. Williams, Prometheus Books, Amherst, NY 2005. This is most prejudiced book written by this man to link most Muslims with Al-Qaeda.
2006 “SHOPPING FOR BOMBS: Nuclear Proliferation, Global Insecurity, and the Rise and Fall of A.Q. Khan Network,” by Gordon Corera, Oxford University Press, New York 2006. ISBN 0-19-530495-0 (cloth) The opening page across the title-page provides a black & white World map showing graphical A. Q. Khan’s alleged network reach in Europe, South Africa, Iran, Libya, Singapore, Malaysia, North & South Korea and China, all linked to Pakistan, for psychologically scaring the reader before he opens the book to read its contents. Corera is a journalist working for BBC reporting on Defense related news.
Important Leaders Eliminated (or attempted to be eliminated):
Sukarno (1950-Indonesia), Chu-En-lai (50’sChina), Jawahar Lal Nehru (1955-India), Gamal Abdel Nasser (1957- Egypt), Brig. Gen Karim Abdel Kasem (1960- Iraq), Fidel Castro (1960’s- Cuba), Charles de Gaulle (1965-6-France), Salvadore Allende (1970-Chile, King Faisal )1975-Saudi Arabia), Z. A. Bhutto (1979 – Pakistan), Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto (1979-Pakistan), Muammar Qaddafi (1980-86-Libya), Gen. Ahmed Dlimi (1983-Morocco), Mohammed Hussein Fadlallah (1985-Lebanon), Mohammed Hussein Fadlallah (1985-Lebanon), Gen. Zia-ul-Haq (1988-Pakistan), Mukllah Umar (1999-Afghanistan), Saddam Hussein (1991-2006-Iraq), Yasser Arafat (2002-Palestine); Ahmed Yassin (2004-Hammas -Palestine), Udey and Qusay Hussein (2003-Iraq), Abdul Aziz Rantisi (2004-Hammas, Palestine),
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2003. “The Penguin Atlas of WAR and PEACE,” by Dan Smith, Penguin Books, New York 2003. 0-14-200294-1. (pbk)
2004. “The Pentagon’s New Map: War And Peace In The Twenty-First Century,” by Thomas P. M. Barnett, Berkeley Books, New York 2004. ISBN 0-425-20239-9.
2004. “OIL, POWER & EMPIRE, and the U.S. Global Agenda,” by Larry Everest, Common Courage Press, Monroe, ME 2004. ISBN 1-56751-246-1. This book gives a good summary of U.S. Foreign policy and the Neocons who created a quagmire for the Bush administration]. [Note pages 216-217, describe “plotting a New Century” It a;; began in 1996, former Reagan officials Bill Kristol and Robert Kagan wrote what would become a seminal article for Foreign Affairs – “Towards a Neo-Reaganite Foreign Policy.” It called for “benevolent” U.S. global hegemony” Having defeated the ‘evil empire,’ the United States enjoys strategic and ideological predominance . . . “ They also applied their vision to the Middle East, which they viewed as key to a new American imperium. In 1996, Perle, Douglas Feith, and David Wurmser – al later top officials of Bush II administration – and others produced a strategy paper for the Likud Party leadership titled “A Clean Break: A New Startegy for Securing the Realm.” It called for radically reshaping the Middle East and targeting Iraq: [Israel can shape its strategic environment in cooperation with Turkey and Jordan, by weakening, containing and even rolling back Syria. This effort can focus on removing Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq – an important Israeli objective in its own right- as means of foiling Syria’s regional ambitions.]. In September 2000, the Project for the Ne American Century issued a major study expanding on the 1992 Pentagon Guidances would become top officials under Bush, Jr.: Wolfowitz, Zakheim, Stephen Cambone, and Abram Shulsky in the Pentagon, and Vice President Cheney’s chief of staff, Lewis Libby. Titled “Rebuilding America’s Defenses, Strategy, Forces and Resources For a New Century,” it asked: Does the United States have the resolve to shape a new century favorable to American principles and interests?” Its prescription: “At present the United States faces no global rival. America’s grand strategy should aim to preserve and extend this advanmtageeous position as far into the fututree as possible.” “Rebuilding America’s Defenses” called for a major military build-up and vast extension of U.S. military deployments around the world. Significantly, it singled out Iran, Iraq and North Korea as immediate targets nearly two years before George W. Bush labelerd them as “axis of evil,” [a term interjected in Bush speech by a Neocon, David Frum] and criticized previous Pentagion planning for giving “little or no consideration to the force requirements necessary not only to defeat an attack but to remove these regimes from power. “Rebuilding” concluded that radically recasr=ting U.S. global strategy would take time – barring a dramatic attack on America itself. These crusaders for U.S. global hegemony got theitr “Pearl Harbor” on Spt. 11, 2001, their grand vision became government policy, and suddenly war on Iraq seemed both feasible and necessary.]
2004. “Confessions of an Economic Hit Man,” by John Perkins, Plume Book/Penguin Group, New York 2004. ISBN 0-452-28708-1 (pbk)
2004. “THE TERROR TIMELINE,” by Paul Thompson, Regan Book/Harper Collins Publisher, New York 2004. ISBN 0-06-078338-9
2004. “MASTERS OF CHAOS: The Secret History of the Spoecial Forces,” by Linda Robinson, Public Affairs, New York 2004. ISBN 1-58648-352-8.
2005. “The Al-Qaeda Connection: International Terrorism, Organized Crime, and the Coming Apocalypse,” by Paul L. Williams, Prometheus Book, Amherst, New York 2005. ISBN 1-59102-349-1 (Hard).
2005. IN THE NAME OF DEMOCRACY: American War Crimes in Iraq and Beyond,” Edited by Jeremy Brecher, Jill Cutler and Brenda Smith, The American Empire Project, Henry Holt and Co., New York 2005. ISBN 0-8050-7969-6.
2005. “THE WAR ON TRUTH: 9/11 Disinformation and the Anatomy of Terrorism,” by Nafeez Mosaddeq Ahmed, Olive Branch Press, Northampton, MA 2005. ISBN 1-56656-596-0.
2006. “BLEEDING AFGHANISTAN: Washington, Warlords, and the Propaganda of Silence, by Sonali Kolhaltkar & James Ingalls, Seven Stories Press, New York 2006. ISBN 1-58322-731-8.
2006. FIRST IN: An Insiders Account of How the CIA Spearheaded the War on Terror in AFGHANISTAN,” by Gary C. Schroen, Ballantine Books, Presidio Press, New York 2006.
2006, January 20. Larry Anthony Franklin, a U.S. Air Force colonel and working in Douglas Feith’s Office in Pentagon, pleaded guilty to passing information about U.S. Policy towards Iran to the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) the foremost pro-Israel lobbying organization in the U.S., while he was working for the Defnse Department in an attempt to get the information passed on to the United States National Security Council, which he could not do through regular Pentagon channels. Two former employees of that arganizatuon are also facing charges that they assisted him in the AIPAC espionage scandal and passing Classified information to an Israeli diplomat Naor Filon. Judge T. S. Ellis III sentenced Franklin to serve 151 months (almost 13 years) in prison and fined him $10,000 on the afore mentioned date. Franklin was charged with unauthorized disclosure of classified information, not with espionage (only a technicality).
PBS-TV’s Frontline Program (WGBH-Boston) “The Man Who Knew,” the transcript DVD that shows the life of John O’Neill, and his life till he died on 9/11. O’Neill was a career FBI Counter-Terrorism chief in New York Office, obsessed with catching Bin Laden. You can learn more about his life by searching Google for key words [John O'Neil, FBI, World Trade Center] or from http://www.pbs.org/frontline.
It’s believed that he was one of the co-conspirator of WTC disaster, and for that he was eliminated like many other assassinations [like Dr. Yahya El-Meshad in Paris and his assassin by Mossad, and similarly that of JFK]
2007: “ALLAH’s BOMB: The Islamic Quest For Nuclear Weapons,” by Al J. Venter, and published by The Lyons Press, Guilford, Connecticut 2007. ISBN 978-1-59921-205-0 (Hard) Venter has written several books related to Warfare in different parts of the world and is a frequent contributor to Soldier of Fortune Magazine (related to adventures of Mercenaries).
Those who are interested to learn more about issue, the following books have been published about Abdul Qadeer Khan to tarnish the image of Pakistan, through very organized lobbies like AIPAC and allocation of funds from WOT.
Pakistan is still on the Cross-Hair as a Target. A book to continue the campaign against Pakistan’s nuclear program has recently been advertised in Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists as follows: “NUCLEAR BLACK MARKET: Pakistan, A. Q. Khan and the rise of proliferation networks – A net assessment,” published by The International Institute for Strategic Studies, London UK. 2007
A net assessment: The IISS Strategic Dossier on nuclear black market
provides a comprehensive assessment of the Pakistani nuclear program came from which the Khan network emerged, the network’s proliferation activities, and the illicit trade in fissile materials. In addition, the Strategic Dossier provides an overview of the clandestine nuclear procurement activities of other states,
along with the efforts made both by Pakistan and the International community to prevent the reoccurrence of further proliferation networks and to secure nuclear technology. The final chapter assesses policy options for further action.
Another article a review “The Kahn Job” of a Documentary Film ” Der Physiker der Mullahs (The Mullah’s Physicist ), produced by Egmont R. Koch, and broadcast on German Public Television (WDR) on February 22, 2007, by Tom Bielefeld and Hassan Abbas, Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists, pages 72 & 73, July/August, 2007.Many books about Abdul Qadeer Khan has been published since 2000, and another article Reviews: “The Kahn Job ” [Der Physiker der Mullahs (The Mullah's Physicist), a film by Egmont R. Koch, broadcast on German Public
Television (WDR) on February 22,2007] is of particular interest in the current issue of Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists (pages 72-73), dubbed as “Pop Culture Review by Tom Bielfeld & Hassan Abbas,” is worth reading as part of the continued battle against A. Q. Khan or Pakistan. Authors: Tom Bielfeld and Hassan Abbas are research fellows at the Managing the Atom Project at Harvard
University’s Kennedy School of Government. Bielfeld, a physicist, works on technical issues related to nuclear terrorism and non-proliferation. Abbas is the author of Pakistan’s Drift into Extremism: Allah, the Army, the America’s War on Terror (2004).
2007. “DECEPTION: Pakistan, The United States, and the Secret Trade in Nuclear Weapons,” by Adrian Levy & Catherine Scott-Clark, published by Walker & Company, New York Oct. 2007. ISBN -10: 0-8027-1554-0.
2007. “THE MAN FROM PAKISTAN: The True Story of the World’s Most Dangerous Nuclear Smuggler,” by Douglas Frantz and Catherine Collins, published by Twelve, Hachette Book Group, New York 2007. ISBN -10:0-440-19958-3.
2009,. The May/June 2009, issue of The Washington Report on Middle East Affairs has some very interesting articles:
1. “Neocon Ideologues Launch New Foreign Policy Group, FPI, or “Foreign Policy Initiative, by Daniel Luban and Jim Lobe, pages 15 & 17. The transcript is posted at http://www.ips.org/blog/jimlobe/ It is spearheded by William Kristol, and supported by Robert Kagan (Brother of Fredric Kagan, the architect of IRAQ invasion & occupation) and Dan Senor ( who was embedded in the Occupation administration and working with General Sanchez under whose watch the Abu Gharaib fiasco took place.
2. “Beware Those Treacherous Afpaks ,” by Eric Margolis. (pages 27 & 29). In this article the author warns about the possibility of unintended consequences in Baluchistan and FATA, which might lead to break up of the country, and increased anti-Americanism due to anger building up amongst the Pakhtoons .on both side of the border that might turn into Civil War between the Religious Right and the well-to-do elite who regard themselves as SICKULAR Muslims. Margolis warns about the Dirty role being played by the Jew York Times, which has been selected to perpetuate the propaganda for war mongering and is very bad for Pakistan. After Weissman & Krosney of New York Times produced the book “The ISLAMIC BOMB: The Threat to Israel and the Middle East, “ in 1981, since that time Jew York Times chose the task of going after Pakistan’s nuclear program. After a NYT’s woman reporter, Judith Miller lost her job in disgrace, the task of snooping was assigned to David Sanger and associates to chase Pakistani ATOM.
3. PBS’s Frontline-World Program recently chose a good looking tall Pakistani woman, Sharmeen Obaid Chinoy, also to carry out the dirty work against Pakistan in the War Against Terror. About two years ago she was sent to interview General Baig and Hamid Gul, which posed a threat for both by pinpointing their location of residence. This time she played a key role in PBS Frontline-World program, “Pakistan’s Taliban Generation.” She was sent to ask loaded questions to innocent youth
to create an impression that every young boy wants to be martyr and would like to support Taliban. In fact the people of FATA are reacting to American attacks by Drones that have devastated not only the beautiful Swat valley but killed many innocent civilians, which might turn into a Civil War like tsunami, as the Americans have no idea about the culture and religion of Islam. They are poking at the hornet’s nest that will prove to be more disastrous than the War in Iraq.
@ snrctzn
I think IK should make a team. If he repeat the mistake as our previous leaders did Bhutto, BB they dont make a team but they worked alone. then some thing bad will come soon to IK.
I READ SOME OF ABOVE POSTS ,,,, so i will first of all comment on these posts,,,
@ expakistani
as an other member answered u ,,, i will say the same thing ,, thankgod u r ex,,,,,
if u want this ,, then we will have to see same distruction like we saw after benazeer BB’s death,,, and pakistan would have elimanted ,,,, very good advice, thank full u r not in ISI,, so u would have been able to execute ur plan!!!!!!
@ TARAR
U R rite BB was someone which could have done some good things ,,atleast she had some vision
Mentally sick President and his rubbish Cabinet belive inDemocracy as Ghaddari said in his Speach 17 times ;;Democracy….
The transit Trade Agreement u sogned is Demcratic way of taking decesion or it is a dectator ship
Democracy…. What Happened to ur joint Parliment Resolution passed in October LAst year ..
Shame on you and your Parliment which PM calls soverign ????????
The Pakistani people are so uneducated. The country is about to collapse because the country is led by criminals, lairs, thieves and despised people like Zardari, Nawaz Sharif etc. These people only know how to loot the country but the people do nothing.
these saudis kings are bastered and big fitna in islam. they are american agent.
saudis are no angels.they are responsible for the sectarain shit in pakistan.the maddrassas from which taliban were born were setup as a result of saudi funding
I got surprise when my fellow Pakistanis are not looking into reality and commenting just for the sake of sectrial prejudice with SA. There is big difference between Saudi Arabia and Iran as for as Pakistan frienship is concerned. I am around 46 years old and I did not here single time “supporting comment” from Iran on any core issue of Pakistan. This can also be prooved by digging the newspapers since 1947. Where as SA stands with us for every bad time.
My friend’s above statment thet SA is funding Maddrassas to create Taliban is not true. My friend, first of all we should know clearly that ” Who are Taliban?” “Who created them actually?” “Whom Taliban are fighting for?” many questions. We should also know that how SA is helping us since ever and now as well. Please see the newspapers that how SA is contributing in sustaing our survival.
I have much to write about the topic, may be later. I would only say “please do not acuse each other”, try to recognize enemies of Pakistan and be loyal to country and each other. Otherwise we all will be “FINISHED” means that “na raha ga bans na baja gi bansuri” our leaders as commuters they are coming in the country to govern and grape the money and runaway. Just do at your level somthing for the country.
In continuation to my above comments I would like to express my views regarding assassination of BB; I have strong openion that she was murdered by AZ the beneficiary of this “MURDER” how ?
1. He got all the property of BB (some can think of the “property of one of the 22 fuddles)
2. The money and business including insurance
3. Political assets, name, shuhrat, jiyalas, in brief , everyting which belongs to BB. AZ even cannot think of the baove mentioned benifits in life of BB.
Acusing SA is just the “joke of the era” . How any one is claiming that SA might be involved?can he give a single eveidence? KSA never opposes any Pakistani leader in the “office” since the existance of Pakistan, I have many prooves. The main proove is ZB and Shah Fasial were only two muslim leaders who gathered all Islamic countries, did anybody did this after they gone? These two were murdered by CIA becuase of this “ACT” Now non of the muslim leader have capability to agree any two muslim comtries on one “AGENDA” For example, the Iraq and Afganistan wars.
It is also surprising that Shahid Massod or AZ statement that “a muslim contry is involved in assassination of BB” diverts the thoughts towards KSA? It is quit foolish. It may be true if some one thinks about Afganistan but KSA …….noway. I am not defending but I am only giving the facts.
Having said all the above, for sure this is not the time to acuse or blame Pakistani leadership because nothing will change because we the “Awam” has no choice otherwise to live with them. We need a rvolution (not like Iran) but a true revolution to change Pakistan completely. To do this every Pakistani should be loyal to it and avoid “sectarian” extremism”. Sectarial extremism will be diluted if our agencies do not let foreigners to fund different sects. By the way our agencies know very well about every foreign involvement. Please try on individual level not to be so prejudice and “Shiddat Pasand” sectarially. Let everybody be answerable to God for his/her deeds, Adeedas, Muslik etc. because “Kitab and Sunah is completely understandable now. No one has any excuse.
Even to suggest the involvement of Saudi Arabia is ludicrous, ignorance and utter nonsense. Our media seems to have gone beserk and the anchors have lost the plot completely.
It is quite plausible what President A.A.Zardari is saying that Saudi Arabia has plotted to kill Benazir is true. She was openly talking of taking on the Taliban and finishing their terrorism. And Saudi Arabia was pumping money and their brand of faith of Wahabism in Fata and Swat and they could not see it disrupted. Their interest in Fata and Swat is by building warlords their who if they support their regime and faith their kingdom survives longer.
As for Pakistan’s friendship build up with Iran, it is natural. Both follow natural Islam, not modified version as in Saudi Arabia.
More over Iran is an strength in Eeman and weaponry both – look they don’t have as much money as Saudi Arabia yet they send satellite in space and launch long range missiles. In every field they are ahead of Saudi Arabia except masiat – the sin and our army must not be involved with them.
Reply to Sayed Ather Husain
Muhtarim, what are you talking about? You are going away from the subject and starting a sectarial topic. Please do not think that Iran is a friend of Pakistan. Can you give a single exapmle of this “friendship” What do you say when Iran decleared that Nuclear support have been given by Dr. Abdul Qadir to them. Is this a freindship? You should know that waht Iran is doing in every area of Pakistan and specially in Blouchistan along with India. You should also know that Iran bought wepons from Israeal during Iraq war.
How are you saying that Iran has natural islam? Did Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) born in Iran? Did the Prohet had all the wars with Kuffars in Iran. Where the companions of Prohpet come from…… Iran? You should know the living and religous conditions of non Shias in Iran I do not need to describe here. Please do not touch this topic otherwise we all put ourself into a “black hole” which is not the subject of this forum.
Zardari kuta (poodle).
ZardariKuta.com
Asif Ali Ghardari
Peoples of Pakistan do you have sense , do you who is Asif Ali Ghardari, if you do not wish to know then I can inform you that he is kuta (poodle )like his master bushraff, please do not believe this kuta (poodle ) also do you know why our country’s best friend keeping away from Pakistan.
Do you know Pakistan’s NaPak Army is killing our own Muslim brother’s, father’s, son’s, that is why our Muslim friend countries like KSA , Dubai, Abu Dubai, Qatar and many more has not taken part in the relief funds for our peoples of Swat . Days to come the other countries will be keeping away from us because of this Asif Ali Ghardari kuta (poodle).
Allah the almighty knows best and may Allah the almighty guide me to the right path.
When Zardari very first time paid visit to KSA with his PM Wife if I remember correctly ’88 or ’89 he sat on SOFA as if he had been sitting in his own Drawing or at Dining Room mean to say one leg foot was putting down another knee more over he was wearing at that moment Shalwar Kurta & his appearance was in this manner, the upper/front side two buttons were not fixed & this was totally against the REQUIRED PROTOCOL which was quiet enough to ANNOYED to King’s Cabinet.
This was the Attitude our PM Husband with the cabinet of KSA.
she was killed by little green aliens in silver suits….this is more plausible
Syed Yousaf Raza Gilani said, If we failed to defeat Taliban then Pakistan will be disntegrate.
http://www.khabrain.com/htmls/pg1.htm
He is PM of Pakistan what kind of language this MFkrs is using?
I feel this is more secreterian war on international screen extremist Shia’s grab the govt power and they are using govt force against extremist wahabis and sunnis. Pakistanis don’t like Both of them extremist corrupt Shia’s PPP and extremist wahabism.
Why all syed are against Pakistan? Syed Parvaiz Musharaf, Syed yousaf Raza gilani, look at this syed what is his plan for Pakistan.
http://www.dividepakistan.blogspot.com/
Khabrein news page has been changed.
All the trouble Pakistan is facing is because the chunk of the population does not act on one prominent Hadees of the Prophet SAWW viz:
“I am leaving behind with you two weighty things, one the Quran and the other my Itrat – the offspring – those carrying my flavour (my smell), as long as you will cling to both of them you willl not go astray.”
The bulk of the population don’t exactly do that. They hold only Quran and have coined a word Hadees and take that from any source and not the reliable Imams of the house of the Prophet SAWW and they have left the Aehlebaait A.S. – the twelve Imams from Hazrat Ali to the Present Imam Ajul Allah ho Farjahoo.
In order to overcome all difficulties keep the Aehlebaait and the Quran both. All the rivalries, sectarianism and terrorism will disappear and even the commentators on these topics advanced by the pkpolitics will start pour out flowery talk.
My response space was blocked for several days for some reason. I wish to reply to MTT.
Please my dear note;
Natural Islam is what God desires and not what Ijmah desires.
The other day I was listening to a Sunni correcting a Shia on the TV. The issue was Masah in Wazoo.
The Sunni said the Ijmah of the Sunni Imams said wash, not Masah. Do Masah on 3/4 of the head etc.
The Shia said the God did not teach of Namaz in the Quran, but has taught of ablution – the Wazoo in the Quran and says there in the Quran do Masah. And following that is Natural Islam.
And I do think that Iran is a friend of Pakistan and there you are way off by saying it is not.
And I do think a healthy discussion on these topics is the way out of our current problems, making us sob. So please have your eyes and ears open for such good intentioned writings as these.
Reply to Sayed Athar Husain:
I will not discuss here the “Muslik” “lakum din-u kum wali yadin”. You will be responsible for your deeds and I will responsible for mine. Do not foget that this forum is not for this. We all Paksitanis here and Pakistan is burning now, let us contribute to extiguish this “FIRE” rather than to “IGNITE” . Do not think of yourself or any Shia like “Ahlebait” or any “Sahabi” of the Prophet (PBUH).
Finally the real story is in news. Dick Cheny orderd US special death sqaud to kill Benazir.
http://www.sott.net/articles/show/184636-Seymour-Hersh-US-special-squad-killed-Benazir-Bhutto-on-orders-of-Dick-Cheney
http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/south-asia/us-journo-claims-bhutto-was-killed-on-cheneys-orders_100194038.html
Seymour Hersh: ‘US special squad killed Benazir’ Bhutto on orders of Dick Cheney
The Nation (Pakistan)
Mon, 18 May 2009 17:23 UTC
Former prime minister of Pakistan Benazir Bhutto was assassinated on the orders of the special death squad formed by former US vice-president Dick Cheney, which had already killed the Lebanese Prime Minister Rafique Al Hariri and the army chief of that country.
The squad was headed by General Stanley McChrystal, the newly-appointed commander of US army in Afghanistan. It was disclosed by reputed US journalist Seymour Hersh while talking to an Arab TV in an interview.
Hersh said former US vice-president Cheney was the chief of the Joint Special Operation Command and he clear the way for the US by exterminating opponents through the unit and the CIA. General Stanley was the in-charge of the unit.
Seymour also said that Rafiq Al Hariri and the Lebanese army chief were murdered for not safeguarding the US interests and refusing US setting up military bases in Lebanon. Ariel Sharon, the then prime minister of Israel, was also a key man in the plot.
A number of websites around the world are suspecting the same unit for killing of Benazir Bhutto because in an interview with Al-Jazeera TV on November 2, 2007, she had mentioned the assassination of Usama Bin Laden, Seymour said. According to BB, Umar Saeed Sheikh murdered Usama, but her words were washed out from the David Frosts report, he said.
The US journalist opined that it might have been done on purpose because the US leadership did not like to declare Usama dead for in the case the justification of the presence of US army in Afghanistan could no more be there, hence no reason for operation against Taliban.
On the other hand, the diplomatic analysts believe that BB murder is still a fable and it is for the reason Asif Zardari and other govt authorities are stressing UN probe in the murder case, also paying huge sums for it.
Another website has disclosed that Benazir was put to death in order to roll back Pakistan nuclear programme and the take over its nukes and India, Israel and the US, were making hectic efforts to deprive Pakistan of its atomic capability so as to bring to under their control.
http://www.sott.net/articles/show/184636-Seymour-Hersh-US-special-squad-killed-Benazir-Bhutto-on-orders-of-Dick-Cheney
http://www.khabrain.com/htmls/pg14.htm
http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/south-asia/us-journo-claims-bhutto-was-killed-on-cheneys-orders_100194038.html
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