by Shoaib Bakhtyar
Once in a village there was a thief who used to steal shroud from every newly buried dead person. The people of that village could not succeed in capturing that thief neither do they knew who he was? But whenever the thief committed an act of stealing the shroud, the people used to curse him the very next day. One day that thief saw his death near and so he called upon his son and advised him that “my son, I have lived a disgraceful life and now I think I am going to die but before death takes me away I would like you to do me a favour. My son, please try to improve my image after my death and earn me some respect…” after saying these words that thief passed away. Immediately after his father death, the thief’s son started the very same business that his father used to do but with a little change. The change was that after taking the shroud away he would humiliate the dead body too. When the people of that village came to knew that their beloved’s bodies are being humiliated they cursed the thief in such words “The earlier thief was good he only used to take away the shrouds but this thief is very inhuman as he not only takes away the shrouds but also humiliates the dead bodies.”
If the same story is applied to Pakistan, we saw the day when Nawaz sharif’s government was overthrown and our people celebrated that act. Later however the people did not agreed with the policies of Mr. Musharraf. On the other occasion when PPPP won the elections and came into power rather than PML-Q the very same citizens of Pakistan celebrated this act too. And now the same people of Pakistan are cursing Mr. Zardari. Mr. Zardari on one hand is decreasing the popularity of his party PPPP while on the other hand he is improving the image of the former dictator by committing acts which are more severe than those committed by Mr. Musharraf. In my opinion the Pakistan army is supporting Mr. Zardari because he is unaware of the fact that he is washing dirt from their image and that day is not far when the innocent people of Pakistan will forget the acts committed by an Ex-
army chief.
I am a Pashtun here in Sweden and live within a community that is a Pashtun majority and we belong to the very same NWFP province where the so called militancy by the Zardari team is an immense threat to the local residents. In our opinion Mr. Musharraf bargained on South Waziristan and Bajaur while the Zardari team is busy in selling other parts of our beloved NWFP to Americans. But that does not come to an end here, if the government of
Pakistan is dissolved and another major political party comes into power, we expect the same from them too. May Allah does not show us that day when either the fire of NWFP has effects on Punjab or Sindh or the province of NWFP is an independent state itself. Worst politicians are of two types, one who are absolutely corrupt and, secondly one who are short sighted. The worst of them is the one who are both corrupt and short sighted because
of the fact that they take bribes but do not have any idea what they are going to pay in the future for the incentives they are getting? We don’t know exactly in which category the current government should be placed but one thing is for sure and that is of short sightlessness. It is their short sightlessness by not realizing the fact that a Pashtun fears dishonour more than his death. In a Pashtun society it is considered really disgraceful if any
of the female family members is seen without a veil yet the present government is forcing these proud people to flee their decades old houses and live in camps where the life for them is not only disgraceful as well as miserable due to shortage of resources. The life in these camps may be possible to live for a month or two but if the duration gets longer then most probably the young blood from these camps will fight against the government not for
Taliban but for their family honour.
I was delighted to hear that our respected Prime minister has announced Rs. 1 billion for the displaced persons of NWFP. The same day I saw in the news that according to U.N there are some 1 million displaced persons. When I calculated the amount of money each displaced person will get I got the result equals to Rs. 1000 only and suddenly my delighted mood changed into a sad one. Is this a joke?? You are requesting a proud Pashtun to leave his ancestral house and live in a disgraceful manner in a camp where the resources are too short to meet his needs and in return you are offering him Rs. 1000.
Our atomic bomb was made so that we can live in peace, but unfortunately due to the inefficiency of our politicians, the atom bomb is at peace while we are not. It is a moment of shame for the civilian government as well as the Pakistan army that they are killing and dishonouring their own people just to get economic incentives and protect or nukes from the Americans. I am not saying that we should surrender to Taliban or we should surrender
our nukes to any other country but for a country to exist in honour it must be sovereign enough which in the case of Pakistan is not.
Best regards,
Shoaib Bakhtyar
M.S in Computer Science
Blekinge Institute of Technology
Ronneby, Sweden.
very well written and argumentative. A reply should be given by the liberal fashists on what terms we are fighting their war.
Well criticism is always easy people waste so much time criticizing then giving any good suggestions. I am not supporting Army or government. Can you just tell me are you willing to go Swat which is ruled by bloody militants killing people just because they have a different point of view. If people are not saying anything against militants its not because they like what they are doing but they are scared of getting killed by militants. Please give suggestions to possible solutions of problem whenever you criticize on anything or any action. Otherwise you leave your reader frustrated, angry and depressed.
ok what is the alternate solution, my dear honorable pushtun bhai. you are not ready to see your females beside males in a refugee camp for some time but it is ok to see her being fl0gged 34 times with impun!ty by another honorable and male pushtun (don’t give a me sh!t that it was a zi0nist c0nspiracy because it has been proven without doubt). Basically for you; and I am not generalizing this at all, I believe majority of pushtuns are as balanced as other 90% people of pakistan; and likes of you consider women to be your tangible property which can be traded as desired to satisfy your male eg0. Call it honor, religion, traditions or whatever it is just male chauvini$m. It is the same mentality where wadea$ can marry their daughters to Quran to avoid inheritance sp!it, burying women alive in baluchistan to satisfy traditions, chaining women by chaudharie$ or common practice of wife beating in punjab etc, the root cause remains the same.
Dear Brother Bakhtyar,
I agree with you 100% but let me make one point very clear that the rulers ruling us in Pakistan and the rest of the Muslim world are not amongst us, they are being paid for what they have been doing to their own country and people. They are equally partners in all these crimes with United Snakes of America. The example you quoted in the beginning is absolutely right because of the fact that each one of them know that for them the road to presidential palace or parliament house comes through Washington and London and that why each of these dishonest, corrupt, traitor politician try to be loyal to king more then the king himself. We have a saying in Pashto “Mudaee sust ao gawah chust” and that is what we are witnessing in the entire Muslim world.
I believe that the politicians are to be blamed for all this mess that has been created in Pakistan but more then that the system of democracy/Elitocracy/hypocrisy is responsible for brings up such corrupt personalities. If we want to solve the problem and not merely symptoms we must understand and then expose the fallacies of the system that has been enforced by the western colonialist with the help of these traitor rulers.
The only solution and viable alternative to the current system is Khilafah state and nothing else. Khilafah state is not only a solution to all our problems but is a farz (Obligation) upon every Muslim to know about and to work for its re-establishment.
Bro if you want to know details about khilafah I would like to recommend you some websites that will help you in understand it in great details;
http://www.khilafat.dk
http://www.khilafah.com
http://www.hizb-pakistan.org
http://www.hizb.org.uk
Please visit these websites and try to learn about khilafah and details of other systems of Islam i.e. Social, economic, ruling, education, foreign policy etc etc. Besides please read this article about Pakistan its future, US evil designs for Pakistan and the solution…..
http://pkpolitics.com/2009/05/11/redefining-pakistan/
FYI I have so many members of my family in Sweden, they live in Naka and you may know them as they are all pashton….
Internationalist1@gmail.com
Best regards
Hi@shoaib bakhtayar.
very well said.yesterday i were in mardan and i seen personaly the conditions of the people coming from swat,that was worst,people were more cursing army than taliban,bcoz Army personnel treat the people in manner as they are invaderes. To look how they treat pathans just once travel by road from peshawer to islamabad,at atock they will trat you in the same manner as the americans do with pakistanis at airports.
my dearest brother Bakthyar, my heart goes with you as i cry 10 times a day when i see my sisters on road among the crowd of men.but who is responsible you have to go back to history.This is not Zradari .i lived in afghanistan (AFG) for 2 yrs ,it was peaceful , free education and very liberl minded people. people from PAK used to go on honey moon there.Turns comes in the history of country, so comunist idealogy came in power and probem started from there.So many changes came in PAK but never intervened by AFG. But ISI and Jumathi started jihad for america.Nationalists used to say that it is not jihad but fasad but they were labbled kafirs by american paid mullahs.they predicted the same situation 30 yrs ago but no one listened to them as whole west media was with USA.Mullhas used to say on loudspeakers in mosques in AFG that if you dont go to PAK you will be living with your divorced wives , just to show to the media that people are dispalcing.Arabs used to fight on my soil why they couldnt fight against own regiems bec pukhtoons leaders and mullahs has been bribed.Then AFG has been destroyed more by mullahs than Rusians for yrs for the grip of power. All institutes has been destroyed by mullahs.We didnt learn lessons from suferings of afghans and discourage extremism in our pukhtoonkhawa.we encourged fazal ullah a jahil muulah bec ISI wantted him.
cont with previous, we pukthoons just barely started education and our sisters were coming to jobs.Some agencies want us as labours, chowkidars , suicidals.if you remember sofi Mohd and jumathi islami took 10000 thousands from bajur with simple guns to fight against america when AFG was attcked by US and how many came back.Did any one ask them.This what religious parties does with pukthoons.MMA was in power for 5 yrs did they stop supply to kabul at that time ,why now.simply we killed 30000 afghans for america to fight USSR and now we will kill (i dont know how many )for india and russia.Bec ISI and mullahs had interfered in all neigbring countries ,now they are taking revenge on my soil.This is our war now , dont cofuse issues.Have u seen talat programe on ajj that all taliban leaders even didnt have matric exams , how will they take us with world leaders.You live in sweeden whicn may be nice but in UK every thirty seconds one car is stolen.it doesnt mean that UK is bad, same our govts will be not good but it doesnt mean we should encourage these murderers.Swat was the highyly educated district but still traditional muslims. why they have to be ruled by bus conducter and ujrathi qatils.simply see what happened to AFG in last 30 yrs, we will get the same results if we dont get rid off these jahil mullahs which is taking 1000 yrs back.Where ever in the word when terrorist is caught he had been trained on my soil, why saudis built 80000 madrasas and training camps and no universities in my badnaseeba land.we Puktoons have to see 40 yrs back who made our sisters widowed and our children orphans.Why only puktoons have to suffer for religion,just think who is funding taliban .we have rights to enjoys pleausres of live , we are not born to be killed, get united puktoons as nation and fight your right for the life otherwise we will be killed all the time on name of religion
Mr.Shoaib Bakth SALAM & well done ! your arguments are very strong but don’t take this impression that we are a Short Memory People .We never ever Pardon Gen.musharraf even if Zerdari going to do whatever bad… for the Last so many years its Musharraf who Torn apart our Nationalism & made Pakistan “the most Obedient Servant ” of USA & even of INDIA.
Yes u are right Zerdari has not a Charismatic leadership which we need today .
Changing this Scenario need a Gr8 leadership which is absent but have one thing in mind ,leader or No Leader we have to FIGHT…..Pakistan has been invaded by lots of different enemies belonging to different Powers… we are fighting against the Whole Army of enemies .Its not an easy war brother !!
This war was started just from 1948 when Quaid got died…. if you point out Swat & Bonair ,what is happening in Karachi since 1985, why Balochistan got on fire time to time ?? all is going on under a certain plot .
You are absolutely right in saying that this Atom bomb which “WE ” have built with our sweat & blood & for which Pakistan had to Scarify her most Brilliant Son Zulfi Bhutto , is no longer a safety thing for us rather becoming a hell for us as every body is saying ” Nukes Mehfooz hathoon main hain ( nukes in the Safe hands) how stupid?? the nukes has to SAVE the millions of hands but the world is worried about its Safety instead of People’s Safety….
The world has its own Agenda & our leadership both army & Politician ( including those who have British Passport & have no business in pakistan whatsoever) are Coward & Inefficient.
Just have Believe in your own self & do lots of duas /prayers & Ask Allah to Guide us to the Path of HIS favor…ameen
I am not a Pashtoon but have a gr8 respect for your Value system & hope that Pashtoon studying in the west like you & Obeying Hazoor Pak (PBUH) hadith that Acquire Knowledge even if you have to go to China , must remain loyal wid your Value system.I also hope that educated Pashtoons like you will also let their sisters & Daughters to acquire education wid the same zeal while upholding Pashtoon Value system.
Allah be with u..ameen
@bechari-awam:
Well said….i appreciate ur comments. One bad act should not be an excuse to commit another one….i agree that the flopping of girl was very inhuman and i am not favoring those who did it but that does not mean that in the fight of talibans and the pak army, innocent civilians should be sacrificed. There should have been some proper planning for the innocent people of the affected areas.
The residence problem for the IDPs should have been first planned and then a military operation should have been done.
Our politicians should Stop playing into the hands of US..I am ashamed to see that Ms. Hilliary is giving lecture to our so called Mr. President of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan. And in return Mr. President replies to her from a paper which is believed in the media circle to be a script given to him by the US.
Is pakistan sovereign state?? are we taking our own decisions?? is it our own war or has the US imposed it on us? who are we fighting?? is it a group of people with guns or is it a group of people having a common ideology?? If its a group of millitants with guns then this war would have ended in a few months in Afghanistan but offcourse its an ideology that we are fighting and the use of guns should not be considered as a primary solution to fight an ideology.
if u still do not agree with me then watch out Capital talk of 11 May 2009. Atleast the three minutes clip between 18:00 and 21:15 minutes is worth watching.
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@jaidu8989:
Thanks for the comments. I agree with u.
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@anna:
Thanks for the comments. what i mean to say was not about u or me….its for those who casts thier votes while not keeping in mind the last performance of that govt. for which they are casting their vote. Anyways thanks.
Bakhtiar,
Would you offer an alternate solution to the plight of the people? Yes, nobody likes to leave his home and have his family on the streets but would you leave them in a war zone only to be flogged by the barbarians. You bash the army and the government for forcing the people to flee and if the government negotiates with those who flog the women of the area you bash the government then, and when the government doesn’t ask you to leave your homes and your homes are attacked by Taliban you bash the government again!! For God’s sake what do you want!! Extraordinary times call for extraordinary measures and those extraordinary measures are not necessarily easy and likeable. Rather you should support the military so that it can do its job quickly and flush out the militants soon so that the refugees can return to their homes in peace quickly. Do not give up hope and in your anger do not give up objectivity. The government or the military doesn’t get anything positive by displacing its own people. Its the extremist barbarians who have caused this misery to fall upon us. Help the military flush these barbarians for all those officers and soldiers have also left their homes and families to fight for your sake and your people and they are also shedding their own blood in the way. Now is not the time for criticism or debate. Now is the time for decisive action which should reach its logical conclusion. May God bless all of us and help Pakistan steer through this crisis.
@Bakhtyar
You started argument by wrong example. Gen Zia’s era was not better than PPP/PMLN governments in 1990′s. Similarly I think present government is better than Mushraaf’s regime despite your propaganda. Government was at fault when they didn’t curtail extremist’s activities when they were growing. The FM radio broadcasts should have been stopped within first few months. If first few culprits of throat slitting were punished we’d have avoided present operation by either people or government. I do blame government where it is at fault but government is not the only one. When in the name of religion anyone can fool you who’d you blame. First Americans used religion to wage a war against Russia for their political motives and now Alqaeda/Taliban are using religion to wage a war against America for their political motives. Those who follow religion blindly have their share in present crisis.
As freemason said at this point we don’t have good choices we have either bad or worse option. The present course of action by government is bad to avoid the worse.
@ Kashif:
I am a student and not a political activist that works for any political party. The article that I published through this website is not any sort of propaganda rather it’s a mixture of opinions by the Pashtun community in the southern part of Sweden. And one should respect another person’s right to express himself. You are welcome for any positive or negative comments, you may term our opinions wrong but it is not justified to declare it propaganda. I have raised my voice in order to express the opinions of the Pashtun community here about the ongoing operation and its effects on the local residents.
@Freemason:
I am not a pro Taliban or pro government person. But what motivated me to write such an article was my moral duty towards the Pashtun families on Swat and Malakand division. I am not concerned with the success or failure of Taliban or our government but sure I have grave concern about my Pashtun brothers and sisters that are being affected by the success or failure of each of the party mentioned.
As Bhettani said, the local residents neither agree to the agenda of Taliban nor the Pak army. They would have agreed to the Pak army on the condition that they were being given enough time for evacuation and later they are being guaranteed camps without any shortage of resources. Before a military of such scale, in which there is the use of jet fighters, is launched it have been properly planned. Then how can one ignore the rights of the local residents in this military planning. For those who do not agree with my words about rights of the IDPs, they should look into the report by the UN at:
The point that I want to highlight about the IDPs in this report is that “less than 20 per cent are staying in camps, while 80 per cent are staying outside the camps”.
Demise of Pukhtoon Nation
Since the mass explosion of electronic media in Pakistan, the war on terror, being chiefly fought on Pakistan’s north western borders, has finally arrived in every Pukhtoon’s House. Time has come for Pukhtoons to fight or perish as this is the way a Pukhtoon lives!
Starting from the days of Russian invasion on Afghanistan, Pukhtoons have been used by ISI and the hard core religious parties of Pakistan with funding from Saudia Arabia, USA and Iran.
Before I elaborate the misery of this nation, I would like to highlight some of the background of this nation.
The Best way to describe “Pukhtoon” is with words from a great Pushto Poet, Ghani Khan (Brother of Abdul Wali Khan and son of Baccha Khan, A Pukhtoon Legend)
Pukhtoon loves fighting but hates to be a soldier, love music but has great contempt for the musician, he is kind and gentle but hates to show it, loves his new rifle and his old wife, hot-blooded and hot-headed, poor and proud with strange principles, might be a loving friend or a deadly enemy in general he is the most simple complicated simplicity.
With the invasion of Russian, First they were fooled in the name of “Jihad” and were used merely as the fighting machines while our so called “Establishment” rear the benefits of this war. Yes! There are people who have enjoyed the benefits by diverting all those $$$ to use them for their own motives. Afghan Refugees only received nominal aid as most of the aid went to please the war lords or used by Pakistani Bureaucracy.
On the other hand, Pukhtoonkwa (North West Frontier Pakistan) got only bombs, explosions and army operation in return. Today Pukhtoons are dispersed as refugees in their own country. There are thousands of Pukhtoon families living under sky with no help, what so ever from the Pakistani Govt.
The Families who moved/migrated temporarily to other cities like Karachi and Lahore have been labelled as “Talibaan terrorist” Scores of Pukhtoons are killed recently in Karachi. Most of these innocent Pukhtoons were from labour class including, Rickshaw drivers, Cobblers, Guards (Chowkidars) Tea stall workers and owners. These People are killed not by anyone else but one of the biggest ethnic groups called MQM who are apparently fighting for the rights of suppressed Pakistani’s.
So where Pukhtoon does stands today? After fighting for years against Russia and then now America, these Pukhtoons have been declared “Unwanted”. There is a full Army Operation in Pukhtoonkwa and they have been disposed from their own land with no where to go?
When people like me were screaming and protesting against these Drone Attacks, then there was no Voice from any political leader except Imran Khan. When I objected that “Punjab” should come out and their leaders should condemn these attacks, I was considered racist but as soon as the Talibaan penetrated northern Punjab, all of a sudden, everyone is active in stopping those Talibaan who are allegedly less then 80/90 Miles away from Islamabad.
An Ordinary “Pukhtoon” can see and understand the “Love” pouring for them from all over Pakistan! They can see that they are deemed terrorist in Sindh by the goons of MQM who is the biggest terrorist organisation of Pakistan’s history. Scores of Pukhtoons have been killed in last few months in the name of Talibaan. On the other hand, the champions of Pukhtoonkwa, ANP are busy dealing with PPP and MQM for more benefits in return of selling Pukhtoons.
So what should an ordinary Pukhtoon do? They have been killed by Talibaan on one side; they have been disposed off from their own land into camps. They have been even killed in Karachi by the thugs of MQM. They have been attacked by Americans with their Drones and our army are the facilitator of these attacks. Our So called corrupt President is too busy begging the Americans to get more money so that he and his party can sell the rest of Pakistan to these Americans.
I have no hope left that “Pukhtoons” will ever get any “Rights” in this country. We have been robbed off by our Big brother first and now by our big sister. We can give our land for Dams but we should not get any royalty back. It’s amazing when you see villages which are couple of miles away from these dams (e.g. Shabqadar village which is in Mohmand Agency) and they are without any electricity for 20 hours and Islamabad is kept “Roshan” as that is “Islam abad”
I remember when the Afghan conflict came to have a defining moment in Afghan politics as well as Pakistan’s , Wali Khan, like his compatriots, had objected to the superpower meddling in the region, which in his words, will bleed the Pukhtoons. Watching Waziristan and Bajaur and the rest of Pukhtoonkwa today, this prophecy seems to have come true.
Pukhtoon is bleeding to death and all my fellow countrymen are standing and watching the sad demise of this nation, thinking that Americans and Talibaan will never knock at their doors!
It’s the time for Pukhtoons to Fight or perish for ever as there is no “Tomorrow” for them. If they don’t want Pukhtoonkwa to be another Afghanistan, they have to take their matters in their hand. We don’t want traitors like ANP who cannot leave the collation govt because of their greed unlike the Great Baba of Pukhtoon nation who said goodbye to politics after his defeat to Maulana Hasan Jan during the 1990 elections. He simply left the political scene – a graceful act in this dastardly world of politics.
Nineteen years on, one wonders who has had the last laugh. Perhaps Wali Khan is no more with us but his sagacity and vision shall guide the future generations – that is if we can avoid the follies and traps that he and the great Baccha Khan warned us about – but we did not heed their advice because Pukhtoons are a too greedy, impatient and unprincipled lot as a nation. Wali Khan never surrendered or bowed down to power intrigues – so he shall never die but unfortunately his party has sold his Leader.
Pukhtoon needs to wake up and fight against every one who is taking this great nation for a ride. Be that the Talibaan or MQM. We must stand up and fight! It’s not late to go back to our basic tribal ways as “Hum tou doobain gay sanam…. Pur… tum ko bhee lay doobaain gay!
I won’t be surprised if I get banned or this letter gets deleted but i would do my best to spread this letter everywhere
@truekhan
its easy to critisize but difficult to come up with a solution.
The only solution is to pacify these taliban and I hope this time we do it.
America did it in Faluja and we need to do it in Swat & waziristan
@Freemason:
I think it is inappropriate to say that the govt or army is not getting anything for displacing its own people in a country where 80 percent of the budget is taken by the army. Secondly I don’t think that we are fighting a group of people with guns rather we are fighting an ideology. The solution to eliminate an ideology is not the use of bullets or bombs.
Well guys thanks for all ur comments. Critics are there to improve one’s performance and I welcome all of them. Few of my brothers ask what should be the solution? I am not a think tank neither am I a political analyst but a simple student to suggest any better solution to the ongoing plights of the IDPs, but I do have an opinion that I would highlight here.
If we are fighting the US war against terror and in that war our near and dear ones are effected then the US should take care of our IDPs instead US is offering us aid in return of our army’s and political govt’s performance. I mean is it not enough that our people are being effected by their interests?
@truekhan
You are entitled to your opinion so am I. If you look at Merriam Webster dictionary the definition of propaganda is “the spreading of ideas, information, or rumor for the purpose of helping or injuring an institution, a cause, or a person”. Irrespective of your political affiliations or motives your article diminishes the urgency and significance of much needed anti insurgency operation. You are pushtoon but you are not there representative. Pustoons voted for ANP, PPP, JUI and PMLN. They all are supporting the operation. Nobody wants to see blood bath but they are supporting this for long term peace and harmony that you seem to ignore. I appreciate your and Swedish Pushtoon community’s concerns but where were you for last five years when Taliban was slitting throats and demolishing schools in Swat and FATA? Why didn’t you write articles on this site when FM radio was used to promote militancy? If you are selective I have every right to term your thoughts propaganda in favor of one party – Taliban in this case.
I repeat myself I wish government and Army had stopped this militancy 5 years ago but they didn’t. Your Pushtoons brothers and sisters that you are defending today are partly responsible for this mess too. They should not have allowed any cult to grow where its openly slitting throats, demolishing schools and hanging dead bodies in public. Back in early 90′s when I did engineering from UET Peshawar Pushtoons were very proud of their arms. They were like because of this gun and “gharut” culture nobody or group in pushtoon belt can control university or town like Akram Ghugar controlled UET Lahore and MQM Karachi then. Honestly I believed this myth until Taliban busted this in the heart of the Pushtoon belt in last few years.
@truekhan,
Dear, first of all your repeated use of the word “pakhtoon problem” only alienates the rest of the population with this problem. I am a pakhtoon myself. This debate of pakhtoon punjabi etc. etc. only causes disunity at critical hour and disunity causes weakness. This is a pakistani problem affecting the pakhtoons of pakistan over which we are equally worried. The problem that I repeatedly pointed out was that we are all criticizing and commenting without any solution to present. Criticism is the easiest thing to do and a more easier thing is commentary from sidelines. I asked you (meaning a lot of people in general) that you are criticizing the government and the military in every case whether it be negotiations, whether it be withdrawl as the military did earlier or whether it be operation which is now running. This state of mind where we are not focused on any strategy and criticizing every path will only worsen the situation. Criticism, debate and analysis is not carried out in the middle of military operation. Whether the decision to carry out the operation was right or wrong, whether the beginning time was right or wrong, this debate is now meaningless as already the fighting has begun. Once you are in a fight you don’t stop to think should I do this or should I not do this. If you wait to think you get punched by the enemy. I am not a proponent of violence or wars but now when the operation has begun put full support behind the military so that the operation ends as soon as possible. If you begin to raise hue and cry in the middle of the operation it will slow the momentum of the operation and as a result its duration will increase resulting in more loss which none of us like. It is my opinion that the government did wrong in being impatient and hurriedly launching the operation. However, it would be worse if we grow impatient with the operation now and hurriedly call it off. All this misery will go waste and the conflict will prolong beyond imagination. I also urge you to deplore and condemn with equal force the barbaric taliban who had destroyed the peace of that region and who are the cause of this problem. Remember, brother, wars are not easy. Sacrifices have to be made, homes have to be abandoned and miseries have to be suffered but surrender is never an option. Just take a lesson from our Afghan pakhtoon brothers. They were attacked by soviets, they became refugees, they left their homes, they endured miseries but at no point did they become confused about fighting the enemy. They remained persistent until they made the enemy run from their homes. At this stage, if you withdraw support from the operation the operation may last for 3 months but if you put support behind it, it can end in 1 month. Which option will you choose?
Please stop calling the swat problem a US war. Can’t you see how the barbarians looted shops, kidnapped people for ransom, blew up their homes and markets, snatched from the people their employment from tourism, took extortion from people and how shamefully they brought a girl out of her house to flog her in an awkward position in a street. These barbarians deserve to be hit. Do not get confused at this hour. Do not lose hope. Fight along until we defeat them and then once we are done we will do a hisaab of this Zardari.
God bless us all.
@truekhan,
Oh I forgot to mention the issue of the IDPs. Yes, mismanagement is being seenm and it should be justly criticized but just look at the scale of the problem. Can any government handle this perfectly? No. The IDPs are not going to camps and are making demands which no government on earth will be able to meet. Of course nobody wants his women and children to live on streets in tents, nobody. But, do you think it is practical to set up houses for 1 million people on a temporary basis?? No. Besides, it is not the job of military to take care of the IDPs. In no country it is the job of the military. Civilian governments and administrations do that and therefore we should ask questions and lay critcism where it belongs. Ask questions from the NWFP government and ask questions from the federal government. I agree with you 100% that what is being done for the IDPs is not enough and more is required. We should also help the government in whatever way we can.
God bless us all.
@Da Chamkani Pukhtoon
In your Bramdad Bugti style speech you forget to acknowledge that half of the culprits you pointed out are pukhtoons. General Fazle Haq was one of the biggest beneficiaries of American aid in 80′s, he was Pukhtoon. Over whelming majority of Talibans are Pukhtoons. Why didn’t you write this letter when Osama bin Ladin was welcomed in tribal area? Why didn’t you write this letter when Osama and your other “guests” waged bloody war against Pukhtoons through suicide attacks, throat slitting, demolishing shrines and schools. Because you thought they are fighting for the cause of Islam. You remained quite when Pukhtoon’s religious sentiments were first exploited by Americans against Russians and then by Arab militants against Americans. Now that Pakistan Army despite all their deficiencies and short comings of past came to your rescue you are declaring yourself biggest Pukhtoon nationalist. You are declaring ANP (only Pukhtoon nationalist Party) as traitor. My friend field is open to you why don’t you rally Pukhtoon support around your nationalist thoughts in these tough times.
The issue is much beyond Pukhtoonkhawa or any other nationalist movement but alas your analysis and vision doesn’t see beyond nationalist boundaries. There is a small difference between your inflammatory postings and Bramdad Bugti’s interviews. He is a son of a Nawab and you perhaps Khan both of you can’t take off nationalistic and linguistic glasses. BTW your most despised organization MQM is shares the field with you when it comes to linguistic and nationalist politics.
My friend! Times are tough we need to unite. We are reaping the fruit of division that was sowed for decades. Your letter is throwing fuel in fire. We need to move in opposite direction.
@muhammad777
In ref: to your comment-
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” The only solution is to pacify these taliban and I hope this time we do it.
America did it in Faluja and we need to do it in Swat & waziristan ”
The first part of your comment shows that you have not spend a great deal of time studying the history of the rebelious movements in Pukhtoonkhawah for the last 500 years . What YOU are suggesting is IMPOSSIBLE when it comes to the Pukhtuns.
The second part of your comment-( viz a viz : the Amricans in Falujah ) does not deserve any comment as anyone -( including the Americans ! ) who knows anything about what happened in Falujah is simply disgusted with what was done.
Fallujah “Pacification”
Fallujah – The Hidden Massacre
If you think bombs get you peace – then you will get war unending.
Soviet union didn’t have peace when it had bombs — it had to destroy bombs to get peace.
@Shimatoree
Just want to add that “Fallujah” didn’t “just happen” either. It was thought out before and “practiced” at least a year eariler. Hear is my comment on it from a year ago:
(Of course the fault lies with the militants who made him do it
)
Hey I am a pukhtun and I dont subscribe to any of this romantic crap about “….by not realizing the fact that a Pashtun fears dishonour more than his death”. If this was so than these IDP camps would not have been full of people.
@shimatoree what 500 years of Pukhtun history are you talking about?
Its time we get rid of these romantic myths about our bravery and honour etc. There are brave and cowards in every race and society. Do you think we are more brave than the Vietnamese who sacrificed 3 million people and made the USA run like jackals?
These are tough times for the pukhtuns but we need to help the army get rid of the talibans. We need to help the IDP’s to the best of our abilities and Insha’Allah when the menace of taliban is finished we should focus on educating our brothers and sisters because that is the only tool through which our people can rise.
UNITED WE STAND – DIVIDED WE FALL
Asslamualikum
Pashtun have a key of successful Pakistan.
I think we can’t defence Pakistan without our pashtun brothers.
I hope pashtun brothers won the war against america in nwfp and in afganistan.
You have right to defence your own motherland. Even i think that is our equal responsiblity to prmot and help you in this war.
Peoples of Pakistan seeing your Victory.
@chamkani khan brother we have to be united as tribe and as paksitanis.i totaly agree with you what you said about pukhthoon sufferings.we are very unfortunate as tribe but we have to keep our hopes, look at the bright side , i am qualified from khyber medical we used to have 3 % female students now it is 60% still behind from many countries but the progress is there.The face of politics has changed now our punjaibi brothers dont call us traiters and kafirs as they know the reality now who sacrificed for independence of indian subcontinent.Please i will ask all my pukhthoon brothers dont blame any one for your mess, we puhthoons are responsible for this.We have been killed all the time on name of islam, this goes back 1400 yrs back to pir Rokhan and Elen Faqir.Our main destruction is done by mullahs in different forms like now days jumathi islami.people from Swat was giving donations to Fazal ullah and women used to give their jewelery.If we are lucky and can get lesson from now i think it will be blessing for us.
This is not right time to discuss ANP but i just tell you when Bacha khan was doing strugle for pukthhoon nation and tried to disarm and educate them , we call him an indian agent. Then when Wali khan took over he was blamed to be getting money from india and we pukhthoons used to say that his father was good but he is corupt.But how much wealth was left to ASFAND, just go to charsada and ask any one.Now we say Asfand is corrupt.As a small party what options they have .As far karachi is concerned we have to appreciate ANP to get two provincial seats which we never thought.ANP asked US to pay money to tribal maliks for industries but PAK beurocrates asked US not to give to tribals , it should come through islam abad.Just one question from you my brother how rich is wali bagh family after doing politics for 70 yrs as simply compare to sherpao and chaudries of punjab( Wali khan died in her daughter house in peshawer not wali house or Asfand house) .I will fully support you and any one who is critising ANP for wrong doings , i will never blindly trust them.But this the group who had vision 30 yrs ago for what is hapenings now,but we didnt listen to them and now they went till the last border line with jahil mullah but they had diferent agenda,
I am in UK but i am not sure how much scars we pukhthoons will get in mind from Malakand disaster and what will be the psycholigical effects on our budnaseeba kids.
For those want to KNOW- a little !
http://atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/KE13Df03.html
bechari-awam said:
ok what is the alternate solution, my dear honorable pushtun bhai. you are not ready to see your females beside males in a refugee camp for some time but it is ok to see her being fl0gged 34 times with impun!ty by another honorable and male pushtun
Well said
very well said !
try writing ‘An Open Letter from a Pakistani’ next time and make it worthwhile for us to read instead of describing your pashtun values which everyone already knows (& seen)
These Vampires in the disguise of Bechari-awam are the MQM terrorists who have the heart to make fun of the situation and make ridicule using the false video that they somehow created.
People of Karachi, given fair chance, will make example of Bhatta Khor Altaf and flog him 68 times before he is really humiliated just to make him realise what he has done to so many of decent, educated and peace loving Urdu speaking people.
On behalf of the islam loving awam of punjab , i feel ashamed in front of our pasthun mothers and sisters by the disrace and dishounour that have been caused by our now Napak fauj operation
I just hope that the Taliban win this war and conquer punjab and give us islamic law …its a disgrace to live under these American dogs. My prayers are with the Talibans and insha-ALLAH our brave mercenary army will see its nose rubbed in the dust.
i know its very disturbing for all pusthuns to bear whats happening , but i know that these sacrifices will only strengthen the resolve of pusthuns to never compromise on thier honour.
Its a tragedy that the Pak fauj which was supposed to lead the fight against the Crusaders , having given nuclear arms by the civilian islam loving scientist choose the way of cowardice and sided with the opressor kafirs.
i can see the bushra of our nabi P.B.U.H of rising of an army from the east which will help Imam Mehdi in defeating the Dajjal ,coming true , as these Pasthun talibans which will insha-ALLAH defeat the crusaders and thier dogs in the form of Napak fauj.
I would request not to use divisive term or language. We must act like one body and should expose the evil designs of our enemies and the corrupt rulers who are partner in all these crimes with the enemy. Moreover we need to call the Army not to kill their own brother and sisters rather turn the barrels of the guns towards the real enemy who is causing all these problems to Pakistan and want to destroy it. We have witnessed in the history how the US betrayed us and ran away after achieving its objectives. It can never be our friend rather it is an open enemy…..
We as part of the Ummah should expose these rulers and the corrupt system that has made possible the entrance of a criminal like Mr. 10%/Killer/Deceiver etc and made him president, can you believe this??? Democracy is a poisonous tree that will always bear poisonous fruits. We Must replace it with the ruling system of Islam that is khilafah, which will protect the blood, honor, dignity, resources, land and above all Aqeedah of Ummah.
Regards
To All The People Out Thier,
In such a difficult phase in the historyof PAKISTAN,ISLAM,and disinformation out thier .
We should try At-Least one time to understand the situation in LIGHT of our religiouse sayings,here are some ahadeese mubaraka with sanads(Authienticity) regarding this war.
Narrated Abdullah ibn Hawalah al-Azdi: “The Apostle of Allah (peace be upon him) sent us on foot to get spoil, but we returned without getting any. When he saw the signs of distress on our faces, he stood up on our faces and said: O Allah, do not put them under my care, for I would be too weak to care for them; do not put them in care of themselves, for they would be incapable of that, and do not put them in the care of men, for they would choose the best things for themselves. He then placed his hand on my head and said: Ibn Hawalah, when you see the caliphate has settled in the holy land (i.e., Palestine), earthquakes, sorrows and serious matters will have drawn near and on that day the Last Hour will be nearer to mankind than this hand of mine is to your head.
(Translation of Sunan Abu-Dawud, Jihad (Kitab Al-Jihad), Book 14, Number 2529)
Related by Abu Hurayrah: The Prophet Sallallahu ‘Alaihi Wa Sallam said: “(Armies carrying) black flags will come from Khurasan (Afghanistan). No power will be able to stop them and they will finally reach Jerusalem where they will erect their flags.” (Tirmidhi).
Buraidah says that Rasulullah Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam said: “There will be many armies after me. You must join that army which will come from Khurasaan.” (Ibn Adi) .
LONG LIVE PAKISTAN.
@kjat
You could be a good story writer, plus after reading your speech I can say you are easy make many so called jihadi’s … but why your taliban’s are not fighting with US army instead of killing own people … why they do not go to Afghanistan and do what ever they want…? why sufi muhammad flew from afghanistan after his commarades got killed there? may be he is coward enough not to get the greatest gift “shahadat” …. or may be it is easy to ignite other people like you are doing but not doing yourself ….
@Kjat please dont bring this fasad to pinjab, we puhthoons have suffered alot because this american and suadi funded jihad was brought to our pukhthoonkwa 30 yrs ago , and then these jihadis started fighting gainst their boses .US has their own agenda and maulvis worked for them and grew terorist nursery .Any where in the world when there is terrorist activity they are linked with pukthoonkhwa.Nursery is grown up and now killing their own people. i think you are educated person , how your mind will accept the ideas of a terrorist mullah who is not even gone to school and is not aware that what is going in the world. How will accept a bus conducter( one of taliban leader) as your leader. Apart from other problem they distorted face of isalm , in islam you cant see any barbarian acts they did in swat. a 3yrs child has been given pistol to shoot some one head who didnt agree with their brand of islam and cutting throats , this is not pukhthoons culture this is arab culture.I dont know why inteligent people like you understand that in 80s dollars given to grow up poisnous plants and now we are getting dollars to get rid of this poisnous nursery, in 80s it was american war and now it is our war if army can fight with sincerity and not allowing killing ANP leaders in front of army .NOW if you go to afghanistan they hate pakis mullahs as they think that they are responsible for AFG destruction. Mullah hikmat yar destroyed AFG more than russian,pukhthoons were killing farsi zaban and uzbeck puhthoons.It was not like this before in AFG. so brother you are good educated muslim and have more knowledge than these jahil talibans , you dont need to be converted to be a muslim , get education and serve muslims , dont kill other muslim brothers.But if you still to be a shaheed there is fight in AFG and they will welcome you.Pathans bravery has been used by PAK inteligence and mullahs.we gave alot of blood for islam and now some one get this torch from us, let pukthoons to built their house as they are building other houses and then become chowkidars. We are happy to give our bravery medals to punjabis if you want.
@Kashif & Zardari Company
Help me here. If your government claims that there is a foreign hand involved which is using Taliban to destablize Pakistan funding and supplying arms and tech support to them based in Afghanistan what is that mean? Doesn’t that mean Afganistan is being used to destablize Pakistan? Now the question is who is controling logistics in Afghanistan? Have your stupid leaders ever taken this matter with them? How your goverment and Army can win against the Taliban when you are sitting as a partner with those who fund and train Taliban. How you can go ask money from America when you knnow CIA is recruiting the criminals in the cover of Taliban to kill Pukhtoons and blow the schools and bridges. Instead of warning America and Kerzai Company for this double game policy,you goverment go and sit with them how to kill more Pukhtoons.
@noorul
Please don’t try to play pukhtoon card here. Issue is much bigger. Logistics in Afghanistan are not controlled by anyone. The condition of Afghanistan is worse than Pakistan. Pakistan doesn’t seem to be under our control what do you expect in Afghanistan? Karzai or Americans control Afghanistan – ridiculous. Why ‘d Americans support Taliban to destablize Pakistan? Its like our Babu bahi’s fav argument Americans crashed planes on their own buildings. On one hand they are giving you billions to combat Taliban and on the other hand they are pumping money in this Taliban franchise. Don’t you get tired of these stupid conspiracy theories?
Why is it that when we are talking about Taliban we say “Pakhtun” Taliban or the Taliban are “Pukhtoon”. As one of my friend said, When a girl is flogged in the public, we dont say a girl in Pakistan was flogged in Public. We say A girl in Swat was flogged in Public. Who flogged her? the answer would be A Pakhtun Talib or a Swati Talib, and you wont say Pakistani Talib. If a Pakhtun politician does ome thing bad, he is all-of-a-sudden not a Pakistani Politician but a Pakhtun politician.
And then when the Pakhtun call themselves Pakhtun, we dont like it and we say you are dividing Pakistan. We are all Pakistani. What a hypocricy.
@Kashif
You are everywhere do they pay you in $ or Rs. Anyway, if America the largest most powerful and resourcefull army can’t control the Taliban in Afghanistan in 7 years how the Hell Pakistan a hand to mouth country with largest begging bowl in the hand can afford to control this mess in Pakistan. That is what IK has been saying from day one. But you are so blindly arrogant to not to agree on anything he says, yet using his argument to support your argument, good work.
Yes, issue is much bigger, but who is responsible?
Kashif you have been screwed up to the neck by American, the food your corrupt father have earned which is running as blood in your body is a curse on you but poor people of Pakistan is paying back to clean it with their blood.. I know guys like you support America because you are the generation of those corrupt generals like Mushraf and bureaucrats like Reman Malik who couldn’t’ have made it on their own without America. That is why you feel insecure without America and that’s is why you can not handle anything against America or their dirty works which they have been doing for past 60 years around the world to blackmail other nations sometimes economically and sometimes politically just to extend their control and influence on the world energy resources and people like you and your parents have always been there to help them. That is one reason every thing against America is a conspiracy to you, but you will not bother to move your stkn S to find some answers for important questions which have been ignored and not answered in the pretext of conspiracy but you have all answers how to kill Taliban. You people are sick and deserve some Taliban treatment.
@nooral.u will see how pakistani army control these taliboo beasts.america could,nt control,ok, i agree but pak army launched operation two months ago,nearly most of the taliban has disappeared,they are on the run.just two months ago i was listening taliboos are close to capture islamabad but now i dont see any threat to islamabad.i feel secure now.i will rather die than living under taliboo rule.
@Kashif (democrate)
>>>>>>>>i was listening taliboos are close to capture islamabad but now i dont see any threat to islamabad.i feel secure now.i will rather die than living under taliboo rule.<<<<<<
You were listening your own beaten drums ofcourse you will feel insecure and secure whenever you will feel so. … you are dead already in soul and spirit……Taliban and no Taliban won’t make any difference.
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