Comments on: Visitors Views & News – Week 3, May 2009 http://pkpolitics.com/2009/05/16/visitors-views-news-week-3-may-2009/ Fri, 10 Feb 2012 06:24:27 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2 By: Shirkuh http://pkpolitics.com/2009/05/16/visitors-views-news-week-3-may-2009/#comment-214082 Shirkuh Mon, 25 May 2009 09:43:43 +0000 http://pkpolitics.com/?p=9930#comment-214082 @vampire cLutch “well.. my opinion is that PPP wont be able to resolve the basic awami problems… they dont have the vision or capacity to do so .. they dont even have the right team & leadership !!” You are most probably right, but the problem is that Pakistanis have a very short memory. If PML-N does not perform according to the promises and according to the wishes of the Pakistani awaam, then they will again wish for a PPP rule. “If NS is having mail-jool i dont think there is any harm in that unless and untill wo apni aur is koum ki ghairat aur izzat ki neelami kerday !! “ I agree, there is no harm in meeting people, but the problem is that NS/PML-N has changed the tune from a single voice to double voice. @vampire cLutch

“well.. my opinion is that PPP wont be able to resolve the basic awami problems… they dont have the vision or capacity to do so .. they dont even have the right team & leadership !!”

You are most probably right, but the problem is that Pakistanis have a very short memory. If PML-N does not perform according to the promises and according to the wishes of the Pakistani awaam, then they will again wish for a PPP rule.

“If NS is having mail-jool i dont think there is any harm in that unless and untill wo apni aur is koum ki ghairat aur izzat ki neelami kerday !! “

I agree, there is no harm in meeting people, but the problem is that NS/PML-N has changed the tune from a single voice to double voice.

]]> By: vampire cLutch http://pkpolitics.com/2009/05/16/visitors-views-news-week-3-may-2009/#comment-213818 vampire cLutch Sun, 24 May 2009 21:43:19 +0000 http://pkpolitics.com/?p=9930#comment-213818 well.. my opinion is that PPP wont be able to resolve the basic awami problems... they dont have the vision or capacity to do so .. they dont even have the right team & leadership !! If NS is having mail-jool i dont think there is any harm in that unless and untill wo apni aur is koum ki ghairat aur izzat ki neelami kerday !! Balkay meray khayal main to NS ko bhi jaa ker milna paray to explain our point of view to koi mushkil nai hay... but the problem is .. there is no SINGLE POINT jahan poori koum mutafiq o mutahid ho... to bahir walon ko koun samjhaye aur kya samjhaye !! har banda apne channay bechta hay bas !! apni party... apni koum.. apna sooba.. !! complete crap !! If NS / his party isnt in power.. it doesnt mean kay us ki responsibilities khatam ho gaee .. and he is not liable to do anything and so he may just wait n watch this country burn !! NO well.. my opinion is that PPP wont be able to resolve the basic awami problems… they dont have the vision or capacity to do so .. they dont even have the right team & leadership !!

If NS is having mail-jool i dont think there is any harm in that unless and untill wo apni aur is koum ki ghairat aur izzat ki neelami kerday !!

Balkay meray khayal main to NS ko bhi jaa ker milna paray to explain our point of view to koi mushkil nai hay… but the problem is .. there is no SINGLE POINT jahan poori koum mutafiq o mutahid ho… to bahir walon ko koun samjhaye aur kya samjhaye !!

har banda apne channay bechta hay bas !! apni party… apni koum.. apna sooba.. !! complete crap !!

If NS / his party isnt in power.. it doesnt mean kay us ki responsibilities khatam ho gaee .. and he is not liable to do anything and so he may just wait n watch this country burn !! NO

]]> By: vampire cLutch http://pkpolitics.com/2009/05/16/visitors-views-news-week-3-may-2009/#comment-213812 vampire cLutch Sun, 24 May 2009 21:20:46 +0000 http://pkpolitics.com/?p=9930#comment-213812 Many thanks mbokhari !! i am e-booked for the whole week now Many thanks mbokhari !!

i am e-booked for the whole week now

]]> By: bhola http://pkpolitics.com/2009/05/16/visitors-views-news-week-3-may-2009/#comment-213810 bhola Sun, 24 May 2009 21:14:35 +0000 http://pkpolitics.com/?p=9930#comment-213810 @vampire @Shirkuh Interesting! but dont you think that NS is losing or will lose points with current stance. People are already rightly or wrongly pointing it out, highlighting his increasing mail-jool with Americans and Europeans. And what if PPP does pull it through?. Doesnt matter how slim, but there still is a chance that PPP Gov may get over some if not all the problems. Where will NS find himself then. The strong position he was in after Long march would be long gone by then and PPP will rightly claim that they pulled the country through. @vampire
@Shirkuh
Interesting! but dont you think that NS is losing or will lose points with current stance. People are already rightly or wrongly pointing it out, highlighting his increasing mail-jool with Americans and Europeans. And what if PPP does pull it through?. Doesnt matter how slim, but there still is a chance that PPP Gov may get over some if not all the problems. Where will NS find himself then. The strong position he was in after Long march would be long gone by then and PPP will rightly claim that they pulled the country through.

]]> By: mbokhari http://pkpolitics.com/2009/05/16/visitors-views-news-week-3-may-2009/#comment-213797 mbokhari Sun, 24 May 2009 20:43:10 +0000 http://pkpolitics.com/?p=9930#comment-213797 @vampire cLutch I lost my Scribd account and everything I had because they found copyrighted material. You can contact me at mbokhari@mailinator.com Some more books: State Failure and State Weakness in a Time of Terror Robert I. Rotberg http://ifile.it/1b2xc57/0815775741.zip Postwar State-Building: The Long Road to Peace (Security and Governance) by: Roland Paris http://ifile.it/jz31i64/0415776287.rar At War's End: Building Peace after Civil Conflict by: Roland Paris http://ifile.it/eb284of/0521834120.zip Out of Afghanistan: The Inside Story of the Soviet Withdrawal by: Diego Cordovez, Selig S. Harrison http://ifile.it/r3fmw2k/0195062949.zip Taliban: Militant Islam, Oil and Fundamentalism in Central Asia by: Ahmed Rashid http://ifile.it/iyk53f/673_tiota.rar Pakistan, Reforming The Education Sector Executive Summary And Recommendations 2004 by: ICG Asia Report http://rapidshare.com/files/55800462/R20070818X.rar Pakistan Evaluation Study 2007 by: Asian Development Bank’s (ADB) http://rapidshare.com/files/49794810/R20070818T.rar Urban Battle Fields of South Asia: Lessons Learned from Sri Lanka, India and Pakistan by: C. Christine Fair (RAND Corp.) http://ifile.it/2x1jh54/0833036823.zip Dying To Kill: The Allure of Suicide Terror by: Mia Bloom http://ifile.it/gfi1dm9/0231133200__gigle.ws.rar password: gigle.ws Pakistan: Aid Effectiveness Initiative Country-Level Effectiveness And Accountability Review With A Policy Diagnostic by: Eric Duflos, Alexia Latortue, Rochus Mommartz, Graham Perrett, Consultative Group, Assist the Poor http://rapidshare.com/files/63315874/R20070818O.rar National Plan of Action on Education for All Pakistan (2001-2015) by: Peter Wolcott, Seymour Goodman http://rapidshare.com/files/55802299/R20070818Y.rar Pakistan: Social and Cultural Transformation (Routledge Contemporary South Asia Series, 1) by: M. Qadeer http://ifile.it/0yrtcbg/0415375665.zip Living Islam: Muslim Religious Experience in Pakistan's North-West Frontier by: Magnus Marsden http://ifile.it/hrnxuez/0521852234.zip Munitions of the Mind: A History of Propaganda, Third Edition by: Philip M. Taylor http://rapidshare.com/files/64662230/07190Taylor67677.rar Media Control : The Spectacular Achievements of Propaganda 2nd ed. by: Noam Chomsky http://ifile.it/3kg0ql/chomsky-_media_control.pdf The Subtle Subversion - The state of curricula and textbooks in Pakistan by: A.S. Nayyar Ahmad Salim (editors) - Sustainable Policy Development Institute http://rapidshare.com/files/177894590/State_of_Curr_TextBooks.rar Sources of Income Inequality and Poverty in Rural Pakistan (Research Report (International Food Policy Research Institute)) by: Richard H., Jr. Adams, Jane J. He http://rapidshare.com/files/157831657/0896291057_-Sources_of_Income.rar Federalism and Ethnic Conflict Regulation in India and Pakistan by: Katharine Adeney http://ifile.it/xun1jvk/1403971862.zip Incoherence of the Philosophers (Tahafut al-Falasifa) (12th Century) (in english) by: Abu Hamid Muhammad ibn Muhammad al-Ghazali (or al-Ghazzali) (1058-1111) http://www.mediafire.com/?my0ghjmmyjm The History of Al-Tabari: The Reunification of the Abbasid Caliphate (Tabari//History of Al-Tabari/Ta'rikh Al-Rusul Wa'l-Muluk) by: Tabari http://ifile.it/vwnksdm/the_history_of_al-tabari__the_reunification_of_the_abbasid_caliphate.rar The History of Al-Tabari: The War Between Brothers (S U N Y Series in Near Eastern Studies) by: Michael Fishbein http://ifile.it/y1pzxmo/0791410854.zip @vampire cLutch

I lost my Scribd account and everything I had because they found copyrighted material. You can contact me at mbokhari@mailinator.com

Some more books:

State Failure and State Weakness in a Time of Terror
Robert I. Rotberg
http://ifile.it/1b2xc57/0815775741.zip

Postwar State-Building: The Long Road to Peace (Security and Governance)
by: Roland Paris
http://ifile.it/jz31i64/0415776287.rar

At War’s End: Building Peace after Civil Conflict
by: Roland Paris
http://ifile.it/eb284of/0521834120.zip

Out of Afghanistan: The Inside Story of the Soviet Withdrawal
by: Diego Cordovez, Selig S. Harrison
http://ifile.it/r3fmw2k/0195062949.zip

Taliban: Militant Islam, Oil and Fundamentalism in Central Asia
by: Ahmed Rashid
http://ifile.it/iyk53f/673_tiota.rar

Pakistan, Reforming The Education Sector Executive Summary And Recommendations 2004
by: ICG Asia Report
http://rapidshare.com/files/55800462/R20070818X.rar

Pakistan Evaluation Study 2007
by: Asian Development Bank’s (ADB)
http://rapidshare.com/files/49794810/R20070818T.rar

Urban Battle Fields of South Asia: Lessons Learned from Sri Lanka, India and Pakistan
by: C. Christine Fair (RAND Corp.)
http://ifile.it/2x1jh54/0833036823.zip

Dying To Kill: The Allure of Suicide Terror
by: Mia Bloom
http://ifile.it/gfi1dm9/0231133200__gigle.ws.rar
password: gigle.ws

Pakistan: Aid Effectiveness Initiative Country-Level Effectiveness And Accountability Review With A Policy Diagnostic
by: Eric Duflos, Alexia Latortue, Rochus Mommartz, Graham Perrett, Consultative Group, Assist the Poor
http://rapidshare.com/files/63315874/R20070818O.rar

National Plan of Action on Education for All Pakistan (2001-2015)
by: Peter Wolcott, Seymour Goodman
http://rapidshare.com/files/55802299/R20070818Y.rar

Pakistan: Social and Cultural Transformation (Routledge Contemporary South Asia Series, 1)
by: M. Qadeer
http://ifile.it/0yrtcbg/0415375665.zip

Living Islam: Muslim Religious Experience in Pakistan’s North-West Frontier
by: Magnus Marsden
http://ifile.it/hrnxuez/0521852234.zip

Munitions of the Mind: A History of Propaganda, Third Edition
by: Philip M. Taylor
http://rapidshare.com/files/64662230/07190Taylor67677.rar

Media Control : The Spectacular Achievements of Propaganda 2nd ed.
by: Noam Chomsky
http://ifile.it/3kg0ql/chomsky-_media_control.pdf

The Subtle Subversion – The state of curricula and textbooks in Pakistan
by: A.S. Nayyar Ahmad Salim (editors) – Sustainable Policy Development Institute
http://rapidshare.com/files/177894590/State_of_Curr_TextBooks.rar

Sources of Income Inequality and Poverty in Rural Pakistan (Research Report (International Food Policy Research Institute))
by: Richard H., Jr. Adams, Jane J. He
http://rapidshare.com/files/157831657/0896291057_-Sources_of_Income.rar

Federalism and Ethnic Conflict Regulation in India and Pakistan
by: Katharine Adeney
http://ifile.it/xun1jvk/1403971862.zip

Incoherence of the Philosophers (Tahafut al-Falasifa) (12th Century) (in english)
by: Abu Hamid Muhammad ibn Muhammad al-Ghazali (or al-Ghazzali) (1058-1111)
http://www.mediafire.com/?my0ghjmmyjm

The History of Al-Tabari: The Reunification of the Abbasid Caliphate (Tabari//History of Al-Tabari/Ta’rikh Al-Rusul Wa’l-Muluk)
by: Tabari
http://ifile.it/vwnksdm/the_history_of_al-tabari__the_reunification_of_the_abbasid_caliphate.rar

The History of Al-Tabari: The War Between Brothers (S U N Y Series in Near Eastern Studies)
by: Michael Fishbein
http://ifile.it/y1pzxmo/0791410854.zip

]]> By: Shirkuh http://pkpolitics.com/2009/05/16/visitors-views-news-week-3-may-2009/#comment-213794 Shirkuh Sun, 24 May 2009 20:40:21 +0000 http://pkpolitics.com/?p=9930#comment-213794 @Vampire Then why don't they at least give a clear message? What is their stand about the military operation? Which solution do they favor? @Vampire

Then why don’t they at least give a clear message?
What is their stand about the military operation?
Which solution do they favor?

]]> By: vampire cLutch http://pkpolitics.com/2009/05/16/visitors-views-news-week-3-may-2009/#comment-213792 vampire cLutch Sun, 24 May 2009 20:37:43 +0000 http://pkpolitics.com/?p=9930#comment-213792 mbokhari thanks for giving the link to download the ebook abt RAND corp. i am reading it ....interesting stuff .. Can you please refer some more ebooks ? i had seen your list of ebooks in the discussion forums here at pkp & made an account at scribd to download those books but guess u've removed them from there. Can i have any alternative source to download those books, pleasE? Regards P.S. Is there any way to communicate with you directly as well, email or somethin ? mbokhari

thanks for giving the link to download the ebook abt RAND corp.

i am reading it ….interesting stuff ..

Can you please refer some more ebooks ?

i had seen your list of ebooks in the discussion forums here at pkp & made an account at scribd to download those books but guess u’ve removed them from there.

Can i have any alternative source to download those books, pleasE?

Regards

P.S. Is there any way to communicate with you directly as well, email or somethin ?

]]> By: vampire cLutch http://pkpolitics.com/2009/05/16/visitors-views-news-week-3-may-2009/#comment-213790 vampire cLutch Sun, 24 May 2009 20:34:16 +0000 http://pkpolitics.com/?p=9930#comment-213790 I believe... NS is quite for a purpose here :) Things that are at stake are much bigger than 'kursi' & political mileage .. ye mulk rahay ga to sab rahaingay !! aur politics bhi tab hi rahay gi the administration / govt of pakistan is so weak .. so DAMN weak right now .. kay NS aik phoonk bhi maar day to shayad is ka kaam tamaam ho jaye :) it is just about playing the cards right u know BUT... he is " not going for the kill .." -economy is in really .. and i mean really bad shape.. -security conditions are in really bad shape.. judiciary has JUST been restored.. it will take time for the cleansing & -strengthening process to get completed -chances are high.. that army will have to take over again.. -india is playing its own shi*tt*y games NS is not scoring points despite all the loose ends left by the govt...probably b'cuz one doesnt need to score points when every one else is just losing theirs.. yeah.. IK / JI etc etc do need to score points for 2 reason... 1. They dont have any already 2. To ensure they gain / re-gain their one-seat representation in NA next time. and if my assumptions mentioned above.. abt NS are incorrect then .. i guess NS doesnt have the caliber to deal with all these problems currently being faced by the country, hence he is not stepping into this *s*hit I believe… NS is quite for a purpose here :)

Things that are at stake are much bigger than ‘kursi’ & political mileage .. ye mulk rahay ga to sab rahaingay !! aur politics bhi tab hi rahay gi

the administration / govt of pakistan is so weak .. so DAMN weak right now .. kay NS aik phoonk bhi maar day to shayad is ka kaam tamaam ho jaye :) it is just about playing the cards right u know

BUT… he is ” not going for the kill ..”

-economy is in really .. and i mean really bad shape..

-security conditions are in really bad shape..
judiciary has JUST been restored.. it will take time for the cleansing &

-strengthening process to get completed

-chances are high.. that army will have to take over again..

-india is playing its own shi*tt*y games

NS is not scoring points despite all the loose ends left by the govt…probably b’cuz one doesnt need to score points when every one else is just losing theirs..

yeah.. IK / JI etc etc do need to score points for 2 reason…

1. They dont have any already
2. To ensure they gain / re-gain their one-seat representation in NA next time.

and if my assumptions mentioned above.. abt NS are incorrect then .. i guess NS doesnt have the caliber to deal with all these problems currently being faced by the country, hence he is not stepping into this *s*hit

]]> By: Shirkuh http://pkpolitics.com/2009/05/16/visitors-views-news-week-3-may-2009/#comment-213780 Shirkuh Sun, 24 May 2009 19:58:12 +0000 http://pkpolitics.com/?p=9930#comment-213780 @Bhola Good analysis! “The alternate leadership of PML N is strangely quiet and confused. NS had a very good chance to rise as leader who could actually deliver but I dont know why on earth he is letting it slip away.” and “By taking this stance they are trying to keep everyone happy.” This is exactly the scenario. I agree that they could have scored a lot of political mileage, but instead they are giving contradicting statements from different corners of PML-N. I don’t think they are confused. Rather they want to confuse people. No matter the outcome they want to be in the winning team. I think there will be a backlash in the long run. “NS can do better,” The question is…Does he have the intention to do better? Or is waiting for his turn for power with the help of the Yankees? Haven’t you noticed the recent and frequent contacts with the Americans. @Bhola

Good analysis!

“The alternate leadership of PML N is strangely quiet and confused. NS had a very good chance to rise as leader who could actually deliver but I dont know why on earth he is letting it slip away.”

and

“By taking this stance they are trying to keep everyone happy.”

This is exactly the scenario. I agree that they could have scored a lot of political mileage, but instead they are giving contradicting statements from different corners of PML-N.

I don’t think they are confused. Rather they want to confuse people. No matter the outcome they want to be in the winning team. I think there will be a backlash in the long run.

“NS can do better,”

The question is…Does he have the intention to do better? Or is waiting for his turn for power with the help of the Yankees? Haven’t you noticed the recent and frequent contacts with the Americans.

]]> By: bhola http://pkpolitics.com/2009/05/16/visitors-views-news-week-3-may-2009/#comment-213774 bhola Sun, 24 May 2009 19:40:33 +0000 http://pkpolitics.com/?p=9930#comment-213774 @shirkuh Your suggestion earlier in the this thread are sensible but we need a sincere leadership for all the long term changes. I cant see that at the moment. Zardari tola is full of khushmadi darbaris , PM is probably a shreef aadmi but doesnt sound very intelligent. The alternate leadership of PML N is strangely quiet and confused. NS had a very good chance to rise as leader who could actually deliver but I dont know why on earth he is letting it slip away. I mean we cant see him coming fwd as a strong man at this critical time , who can take a clear stance and then own it. PML N is supporting the operation with reservations?. And most reservations are not about the operation itself but the timing and IDPs and timing of APC etc. By taking this stance they are trying to keep everyone happy. NS can do better, The educated , intelligent and sincere lot of pak has left politics to industrialist, thugs, wadairas and badmash , mentally and and morally corrupt people. @shirkuh
Your suggestion earlier in the this thread are sensible but we need a sincere leadership for all the long term changes. I cant see that at the moment. Zardari tola is full of khushmadi darbaris , PM is probably a shreef aadmi but doesnt sound very intelligent. The alternate leadership of PML N is strangely quiet and confused. NS had a very good chance to rise as leader who could actually deliver but I dont know why on earth he is letting it slip away. I mean we cant see him coming fwd as a strong man at this critical time , who can take a clear stance and then own it. PML N is supporting the operation with reservations?. And most reservations are not about the operation itself but the timing and IDPs and timing of APC etc. By taking this stance they are trying to keep everyone happy. NS can do better,
The educated , intelligent and sincere lot of pak has left politics to industrialist, thugs, wadairas and badmash , mentally and and morally corrupt people.

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