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It is clear now that it was the the former commissioner of Malakand, Syed Mohammad Javed who were responsible for the free hand given to Taliban during curfew times.
An interesting article on Swat from Christina Lamb
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article6350500.ece
Musharraf interview – Russia Today – May 28, 2009
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19VbTIcu5Jw
900 choohay kha kay billi …
people call him a true soldier, honest pakistani and patriotic bla bla bla ..
I ask only one thing, why is every country inviting him to give suggestions and share his opinions ?? Someone who is solely responsible for the situation that we are facing now. Someone who had been playing double games.
Why is he being treated like some scholar?
Police: Group of 400 abducted in NW Pakistan
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/01/AR2009060100236.html?hpid=moreheadlines
MIRAN SHAH, Pakistan — Suspected militants armed with rockets, grenades and automatic weapons abducted some 400 students, staff and relatives driving away from a boy’s school in a troubled tribal region in northwest Pakistan on Monday, police and a witness said.
@mbokhari,
I am sure this abduction was carried out as per the Taliban Shariah or Shar-O-Yeah!!.
“The myth of a political solution”
http://www.thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=180594
@admin
I had few comments 21 hours ago and they just came out of moderation filter. I am not saying that I am getting special treatment it might be happening with many others. But with this kind of moderation how can we do interactive blogging. I respond to some one’s comments and its not visible for alomst another day. Your technology seems to be like Pak railway where 24 hour delay is a norm. Please do some thing before you loose all the traffic. I love to blog here to express my views but due to moderatioin filter I am very discourraged and I hardly blog any more. Please sort out not just for me but many others like me.
Thanks
CJ wakes up from his sleep
Someone should tell him about the NROfied President.
President can get NRO benefits but not DSP !! Same old Pakistani Insaaf ?
Now India will also tell us what is good & bad for our own Internal Political & Social Affairs as we’ve already granted this Mandate to America.
Just wait patiently as the elite of PPP does have a long period to Rule therefore even Bhutan & Maldive will also provide the Guidelines.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/urdu/india/2009/06/090602_hafiz_sayeed_sz.shtml
http://www.bbc.co.uk/urdu/pakistan/2009/06/090602_malakand_raza_rza.shtml
ہمیں انسانی ڈھال بنایا گیا: پناہ گزین
مالاکنڈ ٹاپ کے علاقے رنگمالا میں پناہ گزین کیمپوں میں میں پناہ لینے والے افراد کا کہنا ہے کہ طالبان نے ان لوگوں کو نکلنے کی اجازت نہیں دی اور ان کو انسانی ڈھال کے طور پر استعمال کیا۔رنگمالا کے مقام پر پاکستان ہلال احمر کے زیر انتظام لگائے گئے کیمپوں میں تقریباً پانچ ہزار افراد رہائش پذیر ہیں اور روزانہ کم و بیش پچاس کے قریب خاندان اوسطاً وہاں آتے ہیں۔
میدان سے تعلق رکھنے والے تریسٹھ سالہ عبدالمالک نے بی بی سی اردو سے بات کرتے ہوئے کہا کہ وہ آپریشن کی ابتدا سے قبل ہی نکلنا چاہتے تھے لیکن طالبان نے نہیں جانے دیا۔ ’انہوں نے کہا کہ ہم شہری علاقوں میں لڑائی نہیں کریں گے اس لیے اپنا گھر چھوڑنے کی ضرورت نہیں۔ لیکن جب لڑائی شروع ہوئی تو طالبان ہمارے گھروں میں گھس کر فوج پر فائر کرتے اور بھاگ جاتے اور فوج کی فائرنگ ہمیں بھگتنا پڑتی۔‘
انہوں نے بتایا کہ وہ سنیچر کو آخر کار اپنے خاندان کے ساتھ گھر سے نکل پڑے اور ایک روز پیدل سفر کر کے سوموار کی شام اس کیمپ میں پہنچے۔ ان کا کہنا تھا کہ چونکہ لڑائی ابھی تک جاری ہے اس لیے ہمیں دشوار گزار پہاڑی علاقے سے پیدل آنا پڑا۔
اس سوال پر کہ کیا ان پہاڑی علاقوں میں طالبان نے ان کو نہیں روکا تو انہوں نے کہا ’ہمیں جب موقع ملا تو ہم گھر سے نکل پڑے۔ ہمارے ساتھ دو مزید افراد تھے جو ہمیں بتاتے جا رہے تھے کہ اس راستے سے نہیں دوسرے راستے سے جائیں کیونکہ اس جگہ طالبان ہیں اور دوسرے راستے پر نہیں ہیں۔‘
کبل سے تعلق رکھنے والے نذیر بھی اپنا گھر چھوڑ کر اس کیمپ میں اپنے اہل و عیال کے ہمراہ سوموار کی شام پہنچے۔ پہلے تو انہوں نے بات کرنے سے انکار کردیا لیکن بعد میں مجھے ہجوم سے دور پا کر وہ میرے پاس آئے اور انہوں نے کہا ’ہم تو پہلے ہی نکلنا چاہتے تھے لیکن طالبان نے ہمیں نکلنے نہیں دیا اور کہا کہ بزدلو لڑائی سے ڈر کر بھاگ رہے ہو۔‘
جب میں نے ان سے پوچھا کہ انہوں نے پہلے مجھ سے بات کیوں نہیں کی تو ان کا کہنا تھا کہ’ کیا معلوم یہاں کون کیا ہے‘۔
اس کیمپ میں مینگورہ شہر اور اس کے آس پاس کے علاقوں سے لوگ نقل مکانی کر کے آئے ہیں اور اس کے علاوہ میدان، کبل، مٹہ سے بھی آئے ہیں۔ ان میں سے زیادہ تر کا یہی کہنا ہے کہ طالبان نے ان لوگوں کو نکلنے کی اجازت نہیں دی۔
میدان ہی سے عثمان غنی نے بتایا کہ طالبان فصل کی کٹائی بھی نہیں کرنے دے رہے تھے۔ عثمان ان پینتالیس خاندانوں میں سے ایک تھے جو اتوار کو مالاکنڈ ڈویژن کے مختلف علاقوں میں سے نقل مکانی کر کے رنگمالا پہنچے۔
عثمان نے کہا ’طالبان نہ تو لوگوں کو گھر چھوڑنے دیتے ہیں اور نہ ہی لوگوں کو کھڑی فصلوں پر کام کرنے دیتے ہیں۔ طالبان ہمیں اپنی فصل کاٹنے کی اجازت نہیں دیں گے اس کو آگ لگانے کی اجازت ضرور دیں گے۔ جو بھی فصل پر کام کرنے کے لیے جاتا تھا طالبان اس پر گولی چلاتے تھے۔‘
لیکن جہاں اکثریت طالبان پر ان کو انسانی ڈھال بنانے کا الزام عائد کر رہی تھی وہاں چند لوگ ایسے بھی تھے جو طالبان کو ’سوات کے بیٹوں‘ کا لقب دے رہے تھے۔ ایک شخص جنہوں نے نام یہ کہہ کر نہیں بتایا کہ نام سے کیا فرق پڑتا ہے۔ ان کا کہنا تھا کہ طالبان نے کیا غلط کیا۔ ’وہ تو ہمیں راہِ راست پر لانا چاہتے ہیں اور وہ جو بھی بات کرتے ہیں شریعت کے مطابق ہی کرتے ہیں۔ وہ جہاد کر رہے ہیں ان کے خلاف یہ آپریشن غلط ہے۔‘
تاہم ان سے جب یہ پوچھا گیا کہ کیا وہ بھی ’طالب‘ رہ چکے ہیں تو انہوں نے کہا ’نہیں دل نہیں مانا۔ یہ نچلے درجے کے جو طالب ہیں وہ تو جہاد کر رہے ہیں لیکن جن کو آپ طالبان کے اعلٰی حکام کہہ سکتے ہیں ان کی کیا گیم ہے یہ نہیں معلوم۔‘
Pakistani nation needs to be extremely strong at this moment of our history. Get rid of your fears!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZqWbNEZA1I
Pakistanis shelter Swat displaced
By Barbara Plett
BBC News, Surki Dheri and Islamabad
The homeless are being given water, electricity and a roof
Just over the mountains from Pakistan’s north-western Swat valley lies Surki Dheri, a village of 10,000.
Its deputy mayor, Sajjad Ali, is a landowner with a large estate. Tenant farmers work his fields of wheat, maize and tobacco.
But this year he and his brother, Javed Iqbal, have become hosts to unexpected guests: 15 families of refugees – or 150 people – who have fled Pakistan’s latest war against the Taliban in Swat and neighbouring districts.
“I was coming home one day and I saw these families, women and children, sitting beside the road,” says Mr Iqbal. “I brought them here. They were in need.”
The newly homeless Pakistanis get food from the UN, but Mr Iqbal and Mr Ali provide everything else – water, electricity, and a roof.
Nor do they expect them to leave anytime soon. The brothers have begun building an extension to their guesthouse.
Solidarity
The influx of displaced people has swelled the village population by a third.
This is traditional Pashtun hospitality, which can never turn away “a guest”.
Sajjad Ali says Pakistanis are responding to a sense of national crisis
Indeed, the vast majority of those displaced are living with kin or generous strangers.
Such solidarity has strengthened the government’s military campaign in Swat.
It has also encouraged Washington, which wants to see the war taken to Taliban and al-Qaeda havens in the tribal areas near the Afghan border.
It is true that there has been broad public support for the Swat operation, including from opposition parties, the media, and even some religious leaders.
This is unique, because in the past fighting the Taliban was seen as fighting fellow Pakistanis at Washington’s command.
And America’s Afghan war is unpopular, widely blamed here for radicalising the country’s border areas.
But seasoned Pakistan observers caution against reading too much into a specific situation.
“I think there was an extraordinary confluence of circumstances which produced a coincidence of military resolve, political consensus and strong public opposition to the Taliban in Swat,” says Maleeha Lodhi, a former ambassador to Washington.
“Also because the United States was not really seen in that pronounced a way as calling the shots, that also helped the government pursue a very aggressive policy in Swat.”
Pakistan rallies to help refugees
Public opinion has generally shifted against the Swat Taliban since they broke a peace deal earlier this year.
“I think this happened because in the public perception the Taliban moved from a political actor to a criminal actor,” says Aijaz Gilani, chairman of the polling agency Gallup Pakistan.
“It was the very clear and vivid pictures of beheadings, floggings, and occupation of other peoples’ property. So when there was a wide view that the Taliban were in breach of Islamic rules about the respect for property, life and honour, a majority turned against them.”
Just outside Islamabad another group of refugees also receives support from concerned Pakistanis.
A builder, Syed Liaqat, has allowed 75 mostly women and children to move into his unfinished block of flats. Their needs are being met by a number of middle-class women from Islamabad.
One of them, a law teacher and civil society activist Ghazala Minallah, tells me how one baby was born during the five-day trek through the mountains.
But when a woman died in childbirth, she and her baby were buried in the snow.
“I’m motivated by anger that this should be happening in our country, and a feeling for these people,” she says. “It could be us in this position!”
Fear that the Taliban could extend their rule outside Swat was another factor that united many Pakistanis behind military action.
Conditional support
Ms Minallah blames the army and government for allowing the militants to get strong, but admits that the timing of the operation made it more effective.
“Otherwise a large section of the population would have kept saying, what if the peace deal had worked? What if negotiations had worked?
Fauzia Minallah says support for the army is conditional
“At least no-one can say that now, that is why the entire country is united, at least 99% united, and supporting the army action.”
Fauzia Minallah, an artist who has encouraged the children to draw and paint, says they need help to exorcise their fear of both the Taliban and of army shelling.
She tells me it is important that they are able to go home soon, and that the army defeats the Taliban – otherwise public support may waver.
“It can change if there’s a failure of the operation,” she says.
“Right now people are saying that there’s only 4,000 Taliban, and 2.5 million displaced. So if the operation fails, the morale will go down.
“The support [for the army] will be there as long as we know that the operation will be successful.”
But success in Swat would not necessarily mean public support for extending the campaign against the Taliban to the tribal areas, says Mr Gilani, especially if it were seen to be at the urging of the Americans.
“While support for the government on the Taliban issue has increased, there is no corresponding increase for America’s war against terror,” he says.
“The two are seen in the Pakistani public opinion quite separately, and one should not be misjudged for the other.”
very informative Second Opinion of today
interviewing ex DG IB….talking on lahore attacks including 15 building….and potential culprits behind the attacks…………
conclusion …clearly RAW involved…ex DG IB gave very clear logical reasoning behind his argument.
http://www.geo.tv/6-3-2009/43336.htm
Here comes another one.
One cheater, 2nd smuggler, 3rd rapist. What next??
@pakwatan12
“…One cheater, 2nd smuggler, 3rd rapist. What next??”
at least PMLN is asking all the culpr!ts to step down instead of backing them.
@pakwatan12
But good thing is there is new sense of self accountability, at least in PMLN as party.
@bechari-awam
“at least PMLN is asking all the culpr!ts to step down instead of backing them”
it is because of “Judiciary ka Danda” they know judiciary is not in their pocket now.
pakwatan12
What is expected of them?
That is what judiciary is for.
What is your complaint?
Has SP refused to entertain FIR aginst the said MPA?
we have people in military adwar who were not accounatable for any thing.
Atleast politicians are doing some thing to clear the mess.
Lets morn for taliban lovers, their messiahs are on the run from Swat and talibans lovers from pkpolitics.
Oops.. meant to write “mourn”
@savage
ref you above link, it says that Fazalullah talking with other people on phone.
Ist thing armay says it has control on 80 to 85 % of Swat and other areas, so it means Fazalullah is in the rest of the area. Swat is not near the border of Afghanistan, so he cant escape to Afghanistan that easily.
There is not a single mobile company functional in Swat, then how is he communicating with others. If he is using satellite phone, then it is the easiest way to catch him. Example is , few years back when Osama talking on a satellite phone, was hit by cruise missile from Arabian sea, in which he narrowly escaped.
No sensible person love Taliban. Once the war is finished ,and people come out of the fear of Taliban, you will hear more horrified stories of Taliban’s atrocities.
Hafiz Saeed’s Lawyer A K Dogar says
“victims of the Islamabad Marriott blast were bad Muslims who consumed alcohol. ”
http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-library/dawn/the-newspaper/front-page/lhc-orders-release-of-hafiz-saeed-369
http://express.com.pk/epaper/PoPupwindow.aspx?newsID=1100639560&Issue=NP_LHE&Date=20090603
Now this is too much of intrusion and micro management, shame on our political elites for letting them do this to our country and sovereignty.
http://jang.com.pk/jang/jun2009-daily/03-06-2009/up28.gif
@savage
17th amendment needs to be repealed before NS can sworn in as PM to lead the national government in these tough times. I agree with you this intrusion is despicable but it is still far lesser than when Saudis interfered to pull NS out of the Musharaaf’s jail.
People like Hafiz Saeed is constant pain in the neck. The best solution is to kill encounter them like in movie Wednesday and like Iran recetly hanged 3 Pakistanis who were invloved in bombing. Pakistan should not offer due course of law to people like Hafiz Saeed. He should have been “shaeed” by now…
I guess now it is Pakistani govt turn to ask US to ensure safety of its nuclear facilities , par kithoan
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8080519.stm
NY store owner gives would-be thief $40 and bread
By FRANK ELTMAN, Associated Press Writer Frank Eltman, Associated Press Writer – 2 hrs 15 mins ago
GARDEN CITY, N.Y. – A rifle-toting convenience store owner said he decided to show mercy on a would-be robber after seeing the man collapse into tears and claim he was only committing the crime to support his starving family.
The Long Island store owner provided the bat-wielding man with $40 and a loaf of bread and made him promise never to rob again.
“This was a grown man, crying like a baby,” Mohammad Sohail, owner of the Shirley Express convenience store about 65 miles east of New York City, told The Associated Press in a telephone interview on Tuesday.
The man dropped the bat, picked up the bread and tucked the $40 into his waistband before fleeing, said Suffolk County police Sgt. John Best.
Sohail, who moved to the United States from Pakistan about 20 years ago, said he was getting ready to close his store shortly after midnight on May 21 when the man in his 40s entered with a bat in his hand. Sohail said he tried to stall for a moment and then grabbed a rifle he keeps behind the counter and ordered the assailant to drop the bat.
The would-be thief dropped to his knees and begged for forgiveness, Sohail said.
“He started crying that he was out of work and was trying to feed his hungry family,” he said. “I felt bad for him. I mean, this wasn’t some kid.”
He said he tossed $40 to the man, who then stood up and told Sohail he was inspired by the act of mercy and wanted to become a fellow Muslim. Sohail said he led the man in a profession of Muslim faith and the two ended up shaking hands.
Sohail said he went to the back of the store to get some milk to give to the man, but when he returned the man had fled. He said he called police and reported the attempted robbery, but he doesn’t want to press charges if the man is ever caught.
Best said detectives have reviewed a store surveillance video of the attempted holdup, but said it would be difficult for anyone to identify the suspect because he was wearing a mask.
Sohail, who said he had never been the victim of a robbery attempt, said he didn’t expect any accolades for what he had done.
“I’m a very little man. I just did a good job,” said the married father of one. “I have a good feeling in my heart. I feel very good.
MQM found new ways to collect “BHATA”
Parking fee being illegally collected for one year
Wednesday, June 03, 2009
Karachi, June 3, 1999
Citizens are being robbed on the pretext of car parking fee in at least five areas by un-authorised persons for almost a year, courtesy indifference of the local administration and other institutions concerned.
Persons – most of them wearing jackets inscribed with the word KMC who pretend to be the employees of the KMC Estate Department – collect parking fee at Tariq Road, Bahadurabad, Clifton, near Radio Pakistan building and Haidary. The parking fee collectors also give a receipt inscribed with the monogram of the KMC.
The KMC had clearly announced on more than one occasion, through newspapers, that the corporation presently had nothing to do with the charged parking in any area of the city and that serious action was being taken to stop the said illegal practice.
But despite claims, the citizens are still forced to pay illegal parking fee to the group of the unknown looters. The said group is minting thousands of rupees daily, adding not a single penny to the exchequer of either KMC or Traffic Engineering Bureau.
No action in this connection has been taken so far by the KMC while the TEB is also silent on the issue as collection of the parking fee goes on.
Sources in KMC said that the corporation had recently requested to the local administration to take action to deter such persons from collecting the illegal parking fee.
This sort of open looting is not possible without the support of the authorities concerned, as it is a three-pronged game of the corrupt elements in KMC, Traffic Police and the local administration, commented a source.
The government had reiterated to carry out crack down against the Bhatta extorting elements and several arrests had also been reported in this connection but apparently closed its eyes towards this systematic and regular Bhatta extortion, commented another source.
— News selected by Saeed Mohiuddin, Reference Library filed by our correspondent, The News
Our focus and goal should stay as clear and Islamic understanding and practice should improve as it is the solution to all the problems we are facing!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PD6Ov8JHTfk
http://tafsir.com/default.asp?sid=55&tid=51538
Not that I am against keeping a beard, on the contrary I respect it. The point I am trying to raise is that if people are forced to adopt any values, Islamic or non-Islamic , it doesnt lost long. Remember queues of people in Kabul in front of barber shops after the fall of Taliban? . Here is another example
حجاموں کو کام مل گیا
ذیشان طفر
بی بی سی اردو ڈاٹ کام ، رنگمالا ، مالاکنڈ ٹاپ
کئی حجاموں نے گزشتہ ایک سال کے بعد پہلی مرتبہ حجامت بنوائی ہے
صوبہ سرحد کے ضلع سوات سے نقل مکانی والے لاکھوں افراد اپنے علاقے سے دور مختلف کیمپوں میں بغیر کسی روز گار کے زندگی گزارنے پر مجبور ہیں۔ تاہم ان کیمپوں میں آنے والے کچھ لوگوں کو آزادی سے اپنا روزگار شروع کرنے کا موقع بھی ملا ہے اس لیے وہ دوسرے لوگوں کے برعکس قدرے مطمئن بھی دکھائی دیتے ہیں۔
یہ لوگ حجام ہیں جنہوں نے طالبان کی دھمکیوں کے بعد سوات میں لوگوں کی داڑھیاں مونڈنا( شیو) بند کر دیا تھا۔
مالاکنڈ ٹاپ کے علاقے رنگمالا میں سوات کے متاثرین کے لیے امدادی کیمپ قائم کیا گیا ہے جہاں سوات کے صدر مقام مینگورہ سے آئے ہوئے تقریباً سات کے قریب حجام بھی رہائش پذیر ہیں۔ان کو گھر سے دوری کا دکھ تو ہے لیکن یہاں انہیں اپنا کام آزادی سے کرنے کا موقع بھی ملا ہے۔
ان میں شوکت علی بھی ہیں جو سوات کے صدر مقام مینگورہ سے نقل مکانی کر کے کیمپ پہنچے ہیں جہاں انہوں نے اتوار کو تقریباً آٹھ ماہ کے بعد پہلی بار تین لوگوں کی شیو کی ہے۔
انہوں نے بتایا کہ سوات میں ایک سو سے زائد حجام کی دوکانیں تھیں جنہیں مقامی طالبان کی جانب سے ہدایت ملی تھیں کہ کسی کی داڈھی مونڈنا غیر شرعی ہے اس لیے آپ لوگ فوری طور پر یہ کام بند کر دیں ۔ جس کے بعد خوف کی وجہ سے حجاموں نے لوگوں کی شیو کرنا بند کر دی تھی اور صرف بال تراشنے کا کام کرتے تھے۔
طالبان نے حجاموں کو اپنا کام کرنے سے بند کر دیا تھا
انھوں نے کہا کہ تقریباً آٹھ ماہ کے بعد انہیں شیو بنانے پر خوشی ہوئی ہے اور کیمپ میں رہائش پذیر دوسرے لوگوں کے برعکس انہیں کچھ نہ کچھ آمدن بھی ہو جاتی ہے۔
ایک دوسرے حجام فرمان علی کی مینگورہ میں اپنی دوکان تھی لیکن اب وہ رنگملا کیمپ کے باہر کھلی جگہ پر بال تراشنے اور شیو بنانے کا کام کرتے ہیں تاہم وہ بغیر دوکان کے کام کرنے پر بھی خوش نظر آتے ہیں۔
انہوں نے بتایا کہ سوات میں طالبان کی جانب سے شیو بنوانے پر پابندی سے پہلے وہ روزانہ پندرہ سے بیس شیو روزانہ کرتے تھے لیکن اچانک طالبان کی طرف سے پابندی لگانے کے بعد ان کا کام کافی متاثر ہوا تھا۔ انہوں نے کہا کہ طالبان کی جانب سے شیو بنانے والے حجام کو دھمکی دی جاتی تھی کہ اس کی دوکان یا گھر کو تباہ کر دیا جائے۔
فرمان علی نے کہا کہ نے کہا کہ کیمپ میں وہ روزانہ صرف شیو بنانے سے پچاس سے سو روپے کما لیے ہیں۔
انہوں نے کہا کہ سوات سے تقریباً تمام ہیئر ڈریسر نقل مکانی کر چکے ہیں اور اب وہ مختلف کیمپوں میں مکمل آزادی سے اپنا کام کر رہے ہیں۔
انہوں نے کہا ہے کہ کیمپ میں اگرچہ وہ کافی عرصے کے بعد آزادی سے اپنا کام کر رہے ہیں لیکن انہیں اس دن کے انتظار ہے جب وہ واپس اپنے شہر جا کر مکمل آزادی اور خوف کے بغیر اپنا کام کر سکیں گے۔
سوات کے شہر مینگورہ سے تعلق رکھنے والے اکبر شیو بنوا رہے تھے انہوں نے بتایا کہ ایک سال کے بعد وہ حجام سے شیو بنوا رہے ہیں کیونکہ مینگورہ میں طالبان کے خوف سے کوئی حجام شیو نہیں بناتا تھا۔ اور لوگ بھی حجام کی دوکانوں میں جانے سے اجتناب کرتے تھے۔ لیکن ایک روز پہلے وہ سوات سے نقل مکانی کر کے کیمپ میں پہنچے ہیں اور آج ایک سال کے بعد انہوں نے حجام سے داڑھی منڈوائی ہےاور انہیں اچھا لگ رہا ہے کیونکہ گھر میں شیو بنانا مشکل لگتا تھا۔
واضع رہے کہ سوات میں طالبان میں جہاں لڑکیوں کے سکول جانے ، موسیقی سننے لگا رکھی تھی وہیں داڑھی مونڈوانے پر پابندی تھی۔لیکن مبصرین کے مطابق حالیہ فوجی آپریشن اس صورت میں کامیاب ہو گا جب لوگوں اپنے علاقوں میں واپس جا کر مکمل آزادی اور بغیر خوف کے اپنا اپنا روز گار شروع کر سکیں گے
@all
……
I am here after a long time…. Looks as if @mbokhari is all over on the site… I don’t see many old ids… TK and others……
BTW I feel sort of alien now on this forum… no more politics much more Taliban and religion
How is a.d.m.i.n by the way…….??
@pejamistri
I dont know you coz I joined ths forum recently but welcome back.
@peja!!!!
Long time no see. We are all here but mostly lurkers. Lack of time etc.
Welcome back and please do stick around.
Here’s another one for taliban lovers. This is what I was talking about, taliban are raping muslim pakhtun women in Swat and the tribal areas. This is exactly what I said before, uncircumcised Hindu Indian agents are raping Muslim Pakhtun women and cutting off their breasts. Taliban lovers are okay when hindus are living with them and raping their women. Let me show you what a hindu taliban looks like
http://pakalert.wordpress.com/2009/05/21/alert-indians-fighting-in-swat/
The women who walked – and walked
Thursday, June 04, 2009
We write here some of the stories the women of Swat told us. They come from Kabbal, Mingawera (Mingora), Qambar, Kanju and other parts of Swat. Some are from Buner and Maidan in Lower Dir. Their lives were affected in many more ways than the lives of their men.
When we entered the large tent a few women looked up and smiled. Some got up and put out their hands to greet us. They seemed surprised that we could converse in the same language. “Sit down. We can’t even offer you tea” said one laughing, “look at us and what we have been reduced to.” Their children were lying on the floor, red because of the heat, tired and listless in the hot air of the fans. The women had been sitting in silence before we went in. We could hear no noise from the tent which was full of about forty women and children. What could they share with each other? Each story was the same as the other. It was a pall of misery and silences that hung over their heads. These women were lucky; they had a common place to come to, out of their tents. In most camps, the women sit in the heat of the tents, not being allowed to go out. They wait for their men to come before they can use the toilets. Their children defecate outside the tents as they cannot take them to the toilets. In some schools, they feed their children first and, at times, do not eat.
One by one they spoke their ordeal, their flight from the bombing, the endless days of walking with children and the elderly and the dead they had left behind. Soon each one wanted to tell her story. They sat closer and closer to us, listening to the others and telling us about themselves. Most of them had fled from Mingawera and other places in Swat–walking for days, avoiding the curfew by moving off the roads and taking to the mountains to walk, walking day and night; hiding their sons in trucks for fear that the Talibs would take them away to fight. One woman had walked for nine days with three children under ten. We cannot recall the number of women who told us about how their homes were shelled and how they had buried their dead without bathing them, in hurriedly dug graves. One had lost her baby on the way down, had dug a ditch beside the road, torn off part of her chadar, wrapped her child in it and buried her in the ditch. She walked on, to save what was left, her own life. Another spoke of how in the madness of the bombing, she had asked her husband to pick up her baby from the bed. When they were out of the village, the husband realized he had picked up the pillow and left the six month old child behind. They still kept walking.
Another woman spoke of how they were eating peacefully when a mortar had hit her house. The word ‘mortar’ was a regular part of their conversation. ‘Matr’ and ‘karpee’ which we finally realised was ‘curfew.’ Another told us how her neighbours’ home was shelled. Four men had died on the spot. People had run helter-skelter. The helicopter passed and the men ran and started digging graves to bury the dead before fleeing the village. They told the women to collect what they could and the women started to round up their children. As the men dug, the helicopter returned to shell. The men left the bodies and ran for cover. The helicopter fired again and flew past. The men returned and dug what they could and dumped the bodies into the graves.
Another woman in a school camp spoke of how her family had left food in their plates and hot tea in their cups when the shelling began. She was brave and then her brown eyes filled with tears and she said ‘my young son, he was in class ten, was hit on the back of his head and he died. I lost my young son’ and then her tears flowed. The others sat looking at her, thinking of their own miseries. We sat in silence, nobody consoling, and nobody talking. ‘At least they should have told us, why did they not tell us they were going to bomb?’ She wiped her eyes hurriedly and continued to talk. ‘They are beasts these Taliban. They are not human. May God finish them all like they have finished us.’ We were surprised, surprised that her anger turned to the Taliban when her son was killed by military shelling. She was a strong woman and continued to talk with a vengeance. ‘May God punish these animals for what they have done to us. I hope the army finishes every last one of them.’
From one place to another, from one tent and school to another, we heard them tell us how they were unable to leave their homes for fear of being beaten or killed or flogged, how their men had been dragged out of their homes and slaughtered. One of the men said he lived on the chowk where the Taliban slaughtered people. He told us how they walked into homes and led out their victims in silence. He told us of the sounds he heard when these men were slaughtered, like cattle, on the chowk.
Each woman talked of the slaughter of men, whether they had been through it or whether they had heard it – it had terrorised them into silence and acquiescence. They also spoke of how ‘disgraced’ they felt as they fled with only a dupatta on. One of them laughed and said: “Burqa, burqa, which is all we heard in Swat but when we ran we were hardly covered [with burqas] and the whole world was looking at us.” The men did not think this was funny. The humiliation they felt at this had outraged them – the humiliation at their women being in these camps, being seen by other men, the humiliation of standing in line for food. Perhaps that is why there were so many children standing in line for food at the camps.
In one of the schools, a group of women led us to meet their friend. She could not speak because she could not stop crying. They kept saying ‘Show them; show them what they did to you.’ She was a widow and the Taliban had taken her 12 year old son away to join them. The women said that they used to come to all their homes and ask for their sons. They were too scared to resist. Some boys were taken by force, others went themselves, and others simply disappeared from madressahs. The widow had gone and taken her son back from the madressah. They had come into her house, taken all her jewellry and cut of all her hair. She cried for her own humiliation and did not speak a word. Women from Buner spoke of how the Taliban HAD NO RESPECT FOR THE PAKHTUN WAY OF LIFE, FOR ISLAM OR FOR WOMEN. How they would enter any house they wanted, whether to take away their sons or to take refuge. They spoke of incidents of the YOUNGER WOMEN BEING RAPED, AFTER WHICH THEIR BREASTS WERE CUT OFF. They told us how their men were beheaded and hung from electricity poles with their chopped off heads placed between their legs. They would leave notes on these bodies for no one to touch.
So why did they let this happen? Why could they not get together to stop it? We repeatedly asked them this. Who ARE these people? This is when the admittance came. They were honest, honest about the power of Mullah Radio and his constituency of women listeners. “There was peace in Swat. Shut in their homes many women listened to ‘Raidu Mullah.’ He addressed them directly. “He used to talk about Islam, about praying five times a day, about going to the madressah and learning the Quran. We all thought he was a good man.” As his popularity grew, women would line up outside his madrassah and donate. They donated whatever little jewelry they had. Even the poorest women would donate her nose-pins.
This captive, gullible audience, shut in their homes became the main source of Mullah Radio’s power and support. They encouraged their sons to join his madrassah. They provided the Taliban with a ready following. They provided them their sons which they soon realised were fodder, fodder for suicide bombings and ‘jihad.’ It was only when they realised and resisted this that the Taliban turned on their own people. “They would knock at our doors, and would say, ‘give us your sons in the name of Islam’. Those who resisted were slaughtered.”
Many said their families approached the army and the government for help. But nobody listened. A few said that anyone who informed the army did not live long. They kept quiet. Even today parts of their areas where the Taliban have fled to are not known to the army. They will not speak. Suddenly in a fit of rage one of them started shouting: “Where were this army and this government when our people have been relating these incidents to them for almost two years?” This is only a question to be answered by those responsible for what is happening to our people today.
“We have been fooled. We have been fooled by the Taliban, the Army and the government. We knew two years ago that this was not Islam but nobody would help us. Why did the army not do something two years when the Taliban were fewer in number and that when they could be controlled? When they knew exactly where they were. What is the reason for their friendship with these animals? Where were this army and this government when we were screaming for help and going to them?”
What answer can one give to these poor, helpless women? Who is going to be held accountable for the violence they have suffered. Their questions can only be answered by those who know what they have done. And if they do not answer them in this world, they will for sure answer them in the next.
This is an abridged version of a recent report by AIRRA (Aryana Institute for Regional Research and Advocacy) based in Peshawar, whose members travelled to the IDP camps for these interviews.
http://www.thenews.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=181123
@peja
Nice to have you back
@pejamistri
You are right, all you will find here now are mbokhari,gul,kashif bla bla bla, rest of the people have left this site because of a-dm-i-n-s bias and favouritism.
Can some talib lover Al-Qaeda supporter explain to me why Pakistan Army is discovering un-curmcised Mujahideen in their operations?
Or is this another CONSPIRACY against the milk-washed (doodh kay dhulay) warriors of Islam?
@pejamistri: Welcome back man, its been a while since you’ve been seen round these here parts.
@Peja
!!!آپکی خدمت میں چند پھول اور تحائف
@GoTK
Its told…its not customary in Uzbek(Muslims) to circumcised.
Though I am not Talib lover.
@Ghost Of TK
“Can some talib lover Al-Qaeda supporter explain to me why Pakistan Army is discovering un-curmcised Mujahideen in their operations?”
Because Taliban version of islam says accept the support from any one in the name of Jihad …
@admin
Can you please put Obama’s Cario speech up for discussion. I am just curious how is it received in Muslim world?
@dark-democracy: Boo Hoo!
Cry me a river!
@jazoo: I would expect a “Mujahid” to sacrifice his foreskin first for the sake of sunnat-e-ibrahimi if he is embarking on nothing less than fighting against a Muslim Nuclear capable state.
Even if it is true, their commitment to jihad rings a little hollow when they don’t even bother to become nominally Muslims, but feel entitled to order millions of God Fearing Muslim Pakistani’s according to their own concocted (and may I add: WRONG & FAKE) “sharia”.
We don’t need these people here. And if Pak Army supported these creatures in the past, it is time for our jurnails to understand that the time for proxy wars through un-controllable groups is over.
Let us be faithful to a democratic Pakistan where the people have the say in affairs and where the Military defers to the will of the people in the form of their elected representatives.
@Ghost Of TK,
Re: your post above, I believe that these non-Muslim Mujahideens are most likely mercenaries-for-hire, who probably know no other skills but fighting and sell their services in return for a certain amount of money.
Wake-up PML-N…??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNBU27SwyFs
Political parties accross the board PMLN to PPP, MQM to JI gives tickets to crimnals like Munawar Gill in the name of electability. Because of political power they strengthen their networks like qabza group. All political parties hsould abandon these crimnals. Election commision should reject their papers and if they can’t public should not vote for them … there is no short cut to this prevalent cancer in our society…
@dark-democracy
Yes. Under General @TK’s and Field Marshal@Gul’s daily cartoon mortar fire and yours truly’s heavy mocking artillery, commanders @Abu nota and @Abu Shirkuh have been forced to abandon darty bombing and create their own PkPolitics (Haqiqi) group in protest.
They have now performed ‘hijrat’ from PkPolitics and have gone to the IDP camps on the internet where revolutionary principal of Jamia Internet, Umme @pak.nukes has been providing them with burqas and sticks
You shall see them soon enough. Hasta Lavista. They will be BACK!
Jab tak sooraj chand rahe ga, @nota tera naam rahe ga
Who are bla bla and bla?
@bhola
Maybe he was trying to say @bhola and choked on halwa? You should feel proud on making the ‘history sheet’. You have become a das nambria
@mbokhari
I would be happy if my name was included in this exclusive list of ‘Badmashan’.
@mbokhari: lol at @umme pak.nukes
hahahha! hit the nail right on the head!
@GoTK
786
Asssalamo Alayekum, Amma ba’ad,
I have been told by reliable sources that addition of ‘Abu’ and ‘Umm’ before one’s name takes one closer to God. If such piety is combined with throat slitting, closeness to God can become uncomfortably close, as some Shuhada of Swat have discovered to their grief.
Following the shinning examples of the shuhada of PkPolitics, such as Abu @nota Shaheed and Abu @Shirkuh Shaheed, I too shall be known henceforth as Abu @mbokhari, (from time to time), and implore you to think about it, ya Abu @TK, ya akhi-fil-infaq-wal-fasq
duaGoooooh!!!!
Abu@mbokhari
@jazoo
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@GoTK
Its told…its not customary in Uzbek(Muslims) to circumcised.
Though I am not Talib lover.”
Is it not hilarious, that people who are bombing barbers for shaving not even circumcised, (Oops!! that hurts)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/urdu/pakistan/2009/06/090603_malakand_barbers_as.shtml
@…
ama yeh kia ho ria hai? apan to qabar meiN paan chaba riay thay…to karwataiN aa gaieN.
Socha, pkp ko check kia jai….kia jaano, bila shubba, hamara naam badnaam kia jaa ria hai..
aay bhaai, zara dekh key chalo, aagey hi nahi peechay bhi, ooper hi nahi neechay bhi, aay bhaai….
zara tarranum kay saath…
Good job by police
http://www.thenews.com.pk/updates.asp?id=79671
@savage & @TK
Its least likely that uncircumcised Hindu would join the ranks of Mujahideen(Terrorists)…They can train, they can help financially and logistically but would never involve personally in game of death.
Hindu and Jews are most scared of death.
This is a world wide bunch of Khawarij which has nothing to do with Islam.
Their ignorant zeal to think they are true Islam is matching with first time khawarij who were fighting righteous Khalifa.
Example of this zeal is also found in Karbala…When someone pointing at fire around the tents of Imam Hussain and told him you have bought fire here and hereafter, Imam raise his hands in curse so his horse bucked and threw him in tent fire.
Field Martial Gul Baji’s attempted comedy and meaningless contribution is appreciated.
@GTK n mbokhari n Gul etc etc.
I don’t think a-d-min is biased then why did those people stopped postings?
I was only a reader before but recently joined to post comments. I enjoyed the arguments between the two groups but since they have left I see no opposition here. Isn’t it a bit one sided now? I want to see them back so that I can also bash the pro-taliban group…hahahaha…losers ran away.
Come back you cowards, why have you left the site?
The bogey of war on Pakhtuns
Shafqat Mahmood
Poverty of imagination
By Cyril Almeida
Another non-state army prepares for war. The Taliban of South are active again. Kali Mata needs more balidaan of blood. Karachi to be held hostage again.
MQM is scared of political competition from the Haqiqi group. They seem to have forgotten about “Talibanization” of Karachi for now.
Punjab provincial government continues its support to the IDPs and welcomes them in Punjab. A poignant contrast to the stance of MQM, JSQM and other anti-Pakistan parties on the IDP issue.
Thanks for welcoming me back…
I hope to contribute more often… but
واعظ ھے نہ زاہد ھے ، ناصح ھے نہ قاتل ھے
اب شہر میں یاروں کی کسطرح بسر ھوگی
@mbokhari
Thank you very much for the flowers…. I could smell them here..
My thanks For you….
کسی کے دست عنایت نے کنج زنداں میں
کیا ھے آج عجب دل نوازبندوبست
BTW I am in middle east these days sort of (Zindaan)
and
یہ شعر حافظ شیراز اے صبا کہنا
ملے جو تجھ سے کہیں وہ حبیب عنبر دست
خلل پذیر بود ھر بنا کے مے بینی
بجز بناے محبت کے خالی از خلل است
@mbokhari
Be careful before quoting Daily Ummat, it is Jammat’s paper.Taliban ka akhbar hai inki koi khaar ka bharosa nahi. What is wrong with Altaf Hussain bhai? why are people here against him? He represents middle class so why people are so jealous of him? Can someone give me a valid reason?
“You maybe Talban if…”
1. You refine heroin for a living, but you have a moral objection to CDs.
2. You own a $3,000 machine gun and $5,000 rocket launcher, but you can’t
afford shoes.
3. You declare television haram on your FM radio broadcast.
4. You think “dressed to kill” is an order from Baitullah Mehsud, not a compliment.
5. You think vests come in two styles: bullet-proof and suicide.
6. You can’t think of anyone you haven’t declared Jihad against (Amreeka, Pakistan, Army, Judiciary, lawyers, barbers, shaving, nail-biting and tooth paste)
7. You consider Girls’ schools harmful, but routinely cut peoples’ throats with kitchen knives.
8. You insist on ONLY black PagRis for men, even if that means digging graves and hanging the corpses with the black pagRi.
9. You have nothing against women and think every man should own at least two.
10. You always choose the hottest of your neighbor’s goats.
11. You think suicide bombings in mosques is an integral part of “Amr bil Maroof wa Nahi anil Munkar”
12. You consider barbers as the cancer of society, but you suicide bomb polio vaccination teams.
and the final sign you may be a Taliban:
13. You think Imran Khan would be an exceptionally pretty wife.
Add your own…
Pakistan mosque attack ‘kills 30′
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8084851.stm
A bomb has exploded at a mosque in a restive part of north-western Pakistan during Friday prayers, killing at least 30 people.
Police said a suicide bomber detonated explosives at the mosque in Upper Dir district, although some witnesses said the bomb was already in the building.
Nearby Swat Valley has been the scene of heavy fighting between the Pakistani military and Taliban militants.
Upper Dir has also been the scene of sporadic clashes between the two.
The bomb exploded at the mosque in the village of Hayagai Sharki, about 15km from the town of Upper Dir. Dozens of people are reported to have been wounded.
@pejamistri,
Welcome Back!
@mbokhari
Excellent description of Talibooons
As far as I remember Abdullah Mehsud had one artificial leg that may have been for the reason for shoe / slipper
Gilani asking for money … as usual
And Holbrooke replied you j e r k why dont you and AZ move to a studio apartment and can save lot more money
Qaum k mufaud mae aik aur reconcilliation
CJ meet with AZ
@mbokhari
Picture you posted is Abdullah Mehsood and he lost his leg in a bomb blast, that could be reason of his shoe combination.
“Add your own…”
14. You bomb the barber shops for shaving, but you are not even circumcised.
@mbokhari: lol
And don’t forget.
#. If you cringe at the thought of “sacrificing” your foreskin for Islam, but you think nothing of cutting the heads of Muslim Pakistani’s “For ALLLAAAAAAH BROZZER! FOR ALLLLAAAAH”
You may be a Taliban.
P.S. We need a list like that for closet Talib/AlQaeda supporters who are missing from the scene these days after having apologized shamelessly for these henious crimes against Islam and Muslims in the name of “Jeeeeeehaaawwd” and “Shareeeeaaa”.
Some of them I still see active probably under new id’s. Cowards that they are, they hope to come back when things blow over. For now, they’re too busy providing logistic support to their hindu-ban’s
@mbokhari
hahahahahaha.I like what you said about IK and Taliban. Taliban se pehle Mohajir hi uska band buja dein ge.
Worry not.
Jeay Altaf Bhai.
Please tell me how to post a picture here?
I have a classic to show.
@Mbokhari
1- “lol” – The left foot of Talib with radio may be a prosthesis . Smaller size and variation in color of lower leg is indicative of such thesis?
2- Burning of CDS by Taliban shows the limited “thinking” capacity. By ominously and loudly playing, same CDs could render the multimodal remote voice acquisition (by the Drones) ineffective.
3- Can someone point out why the Army Signal Corps-“es” cannot triangulate the location of Mulla Fazallula and others’ radio communications and knock them down?
Baitullah Masud’s conversation was intercepted 3-4 days ago where he was instructing his ‘fidayeens’ that if you can’t get to high value targets in cities carry your operations in rural areas to build the pressure. Today’s ruthless blast in mosque certainly seems to be part of his latest desperate plans…
Initialy Talboos spent all their energies, trying to prove that locals were with their animal Talibans and any use of force will anger the local population. They could bet their b u t t s that Pakhtoons will rise as one against use of force.
Now suddenly they are very quiet about this very argument and dont have teh balls to admit that they were wrong about it all along.
Talat Hussain’s article in Express. Must read for IK/JI lovers. It looks like TH, who just a week ago was the darling of IK fan club members has also start receiving funding from Jewish lobby
Zardari to undertake six-nation tour
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Saturday, June 06, 2009
By Muhammad Saleh Zaafir
ISLAMABAD: President Asif Ali Zardari will be undertaking the visit of six countries in the next four weeks from the middle of this month, as he will embark upon the first visit on Friday next.
Zardari will represent Pakistan in three international forums in which most of the countries would be represented by their prime ministers. He will leave for Dubai next week on his way to Moscow to attend the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation (SCO) summit to be held in Yekaterinburg, a picturesque Siberian city of Russia. He will be staying in the city for three days before leaving for Brussels where the Pakistan-European Union Conference will take place. Zardari has given his consent to represent Pakistan in the Non-Aligned
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How much money will be spent on the snake Zardari’s four-week trip abroad? Would someone in the parliament raise this as an issue?
Taliban attacked army convoy transporting 2 TNSM leaders and killed them!
We need answers!!!!
Why did CJ met with holbrooke
http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-library/dawn/news/pakistan/13+cj+receives+holbrooke+calls+on+zardari-za-12
BTW, don’t know anybody noticed, but JANG or NEWS did not report the meeting of Holbrooke with CJ
I think on this web site
Few people like Noorl, AAM and Haris KHan
These are people who incite and glorify Dehsat gards.
These people should immedeatly be banned.
@mbokhari
I wish he could go and teach the lesson of peace and Bhai Charah to his brothers in the caves too.
Still NO CONDEMNATION of the suicide bombing itself!
Geo Imran Khan.
Now what do you think about ANP?
http://express.com.pk/images/NP_LHE/20090607/Sub_Images/1100642570-1.gif
Gillani Says:
http://express.com.pk/images/NP_LHE/20090607/Sub_Images/1100642554-2.gif
Defence minister says:
http://express.com.pk/images/NP_LHE/20090607/Sub_Images/1100642576-1.gif
These people are azab for Pakistani.
Pukhtuns attack and kill talib animals in Dir Bala. If fake pukhtun Imran khan visits these areas, he may meet the same fate.
http://www.thenews.com.pk/updates.asp?id=79833
Four perish as scores assault militants’ hideouts in Dir Bala
Updated at: 0400 PST, Sunday, June 07, 2009
DIR BALA: Scores of people attacked the sanctuaries of militants in Dir Bala area on Saturday, killing four militants while six homes were also obliterated in the attacks, Geo news said.
According to local sources, the people hailing from Hayagai Sharqi and adjoining areas launched assault on the militants’ hideouts, which resulted in the deaths of four militants while six homes were also destroyed.
@Kashif
“Baitullah Masud’s conversation was intercepted 3-4 days ago where he was instructing his ‘fidayeens’ that if you can’t get to high value targets in cities carry your operations in rural areas to build the pressure. Today’s ruthless blast in mosque certainly seems to be part of his latest desperate plans…”
Are these instructions coming from Mars??
@pakwatan12
They might be if he is on Mars…it was in media and on every channel and newspaper. But you have decided to believe Baitullah Masud and not ISPR….its your choice….You have faith in him I have faith on Army since operation rah e rast. You have right to believe your sources I have to my sources.
Time for Holbrooke to play Durand
http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-library/dawn/news/pakistan/12-time-for-holbrooke-to-play-durand–bi-01
http://www.bbc.co.uk/urdu/pakistan/2009/06/090606_dir_injrued_two.shtml
“dekhain Hamid yeh sab kuch amreeka karwa raha hai? yeh hamaray apnay log hain”. Taliban Khan
fan club goes like:
“Bravo…”*claps* , “Bravo….”, “he is the man”, “he is only politician who could save Pakistan”, “he is so handsom”, …………..”keya dikhta hai yaar”
I heard a rumor that clash erupted between TNSM and TTP in Bajaur after TNSM leaders got killed!! does anybody have any news about this?
Imran’s garbage is crossing over from stupidity/naivety to callousness and insensitivity…
Imran, ffs, stop defending these barbaric animals. you are (or maybe were) a hero to Pakistanis like me. stop disappointing those who love and respect you…
Some sick minded people can’t understand these were all our people who were brainwashed and some of them came in reaction of operation. Why army is not doing operation in the areas where every one says foreign fighters are hidding?
Why thy don’t bring anyone on the media like indians did in kasab’s case?
Why we have criminal silance on killings in karachi. Karachi used to feed almost whole country till 80s. After the creation of some monsters it has become almost impossible for govt. to control the city. 10 people have been killed in the last 24 hours and almost 100 in a month result is complete silance.
http://jang.com.pk/jang/jun2009-daily/07-06-2009/update.htm#18
@fareed
“Some sick minded people can’t understand these were all our people who were brainwashed”.
You are right some frozen brains can’t get out of past and can’t adopt, that’s what people have been saying about Taliban Khan and his fan club, learn and adopt, things and people mind have been changed, but volatile political situation of Pakistan is too much for Taliban Khan’s retarded political mind.
“and some of them came in reaction of operation”
I hate newton for giving this word to PTI/JI, when you don’t have anything valid and need to fill the void, just bash about amreeka and overstretch word “reaction”.
I did not use to think much of Imran Khan.
But after seeing the psychotic reaction to his views, I salute Imran Khan for speaking his mind without fear even if many of us do not agree with all his views.
Iraqi forces arrest five U.S. security contractors
Reuters
BAGHDAD (Reuters) – Iraqi forces detained five U.S. security contractors in connection with the killing of a fellow American contractor last month in Baghdad’s Green Zone, an Iraqi government spokesman said on Sunday.
Major General Abdul-Karim Khalaf, the Interior Ministry spokesman, said the five men were being held at an Iraqi police station in the capital’s heavily-fortified central district while a joint Iraqi-U.S. committee investigated.
The detainees could become the first Americans to face local justice since a bilateral security pact came into force at the start of this year making U.S. contractors subject to Iraqi law.
“There are no formal charges against them so far, but they were detained because of the murder of the contractor last month,” Khalaf told Reuters.
Citing an unnamed Iraqi official involved in the investigation, CNN said the men had been detained on Friday in a pre-dawn raid on their company’s office in the Green Zone.
The murdered contractor, James Kitterman, was a 60-year-old Texan who owned a construction company operating in Iraq.
Kitterman was found bound, blindfolded and stabbed to death on May 22 in the heavily-fortified district.
Citing unnamed sources, CNN said the five men knew the victim and that the U.S. Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) was involved in the probe into his death.
Heavily-armed and highly-paid Western contractors are a common sight in Iraq, especially in the Green Zone, also known as the International Zone. Many provide security for the U.S. military in Iraq while others protect private firms.
A U.S. Embassy spokesman in the Iraqi capital confirmed five U.S. citizens were taken into custody by Iraqi authorities.
“Embassy consular officials have visited the five and ensured they are being afforded their rights under Iraqi law. The men appeared well,” the U.S. spokesman told Reuters.
The security agreement between Washington and Baghdad sets terms for the withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq and establishes guidelines for their activities while they remain.
It also allows U.S. troops to be tried in Iraqi courts — but only in cases of serious, premeditated crimes committed while soldiers were off-base and off-duty.
Private contractors, previously immune to prosecution in Iraq, are now wholly bound by Iraqi laws.
Under the pact, U.S. combat troops were scheduled to withdraw from Iraqi towns and cities by the end of this month, while all U.S. troops must leave the country by December 31, 2011.
Junaid Jamshed advocating for Lays on TV, wonder why “they” dont come forward like this to condemn Taliban activities? No sponsor eh?
@Kashif
“They might be if he is on Mars…it was in media and on every channel and newspaper. But you have decided to believe Baitullah Masud and not ISPR….its your choice….You have faith in him I have faith on Army since operation rah e rast. You have right to believe your sources I have to my sources.”
I have worked for years in communication sector. There is no telecommunication company operating in Waziristan. If he is using a sattelite communication device, then it is the easiest way to trace him.
Bro, Media is not the word of Quran. You have to use you brain. and plesase come out of this perception that there is no third way.
I dont have faith in Baitullah, I want him hanged in front of Parliament house in Islamabad.
‘Pakistan has awakened’
http://www.csmonitor.com/2009/0607/p06s08-wosc.html
An estimated 1,500 locals in dozens of villages, some shouting “Pakistan has awakened” and toting rifles and machine guns, are fighting against 250 militants, according to local news sources. The locals have asked the military to intervene by attacking Taliban strongholds with helicopter gunships.
The militia – or lashkar – began its attack on Saturday when, according to The News, a leading English daily, armed men from three villages in the Haya Gai region of Upper Dir district attacked six villages in the Dhok Darra area that were harboring Afghan militants. At least 11 militants, including foreigners, have been killed so far amid intense fighting, according to media reports, and several hideouts have also been destroyed as the fighting continues.
@savage
You are also one of those who don’t have respect for others.
PMLn leaders regarding swat operation
Ch. Nisar
http://www.dailypak.com/emergency/07-06-09-news-%20(25).html
Javed Hashmi
http://www.dailypak.com/emergency/07-06-09-news-%20(13).html
no ZPP maskhras
http://www.bbc.co.uk/urdu/columns/2009/06/090607_baat_baat.shtml
Where is our Govt?
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Two-Kashmiri-women-were-raped-murdered-Autopsy/articleshow/4627867.cms#write
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/India/File-Curfew-imposed-in-Srinagar-as-protests-enter-third-day/articleshow/4612252.cms
@fareed
“@savage
You are also one of those who don’t have respect for others.”
I do respect others, sorry if gave that impression, but I don’t respect those public figures, particularly political leaders perusing their agenda at the cost of public lives or putting country at risk.
JI’s Munawar said “Ham taliban ke hamnwa haiN”, should JI/Taliban not be treated the same, if they have same thoughts?
I know you are a member of Fan Club, tell me one issue on which Taliban Khan is not following JI?
Read following and decide who Taliban Khan is supporting, locals or those who are funded by anti-Pakistan forces.
صوبہ سرحد کے ضلع دیر بالا میں مقامی لشکر اور مسلح عسکریت پسندوں کے مابین جھڑپوں کا سلسلہ تسیرے روز بھی جاری ہے جس میں اب تک کم سے کم دس عسکریت پسندوں کے ہلاک ہونے کی اطلاعات ہیں۔ لشکر نے شدت پسندوں کے چوبیس کے قریب گھروں اور مراکز کو تباہ کردیا ہے۔
http://www.bbc.co.uk/urdu/pakistan/2009/06/090608_upper_dir_update.shtml
@savage
I think it is great news that local people are now fighting Talibans to defeat them in their own areas. Talibans are on the run and trying to hide in local small towns. But good news is local people have decided to fight against them. I know this news will hurt supporters (especially fareed) of Taliban Khan/ JI. Where Army action is important to get strategic benefits; local support against Taliban will help raise awareness against terrorism.
ANP sole voice against militants
Here is what they say about the holy cow……
“The Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N), which claims to be the largest political party, considers it safe to censure terrorism without bluntly pointing a finger at the militants for reasons best known to them. Like the religious parties, the PML-N, known for its moderate views, also prefers not to sail against the wind although at the cost of looming threat to the state and the unity of the nation.”
@ Dear fareed
Please stop your distraction from main topic of discussion and also stop worrying about putting out fire in Indian Kashmir. Our own country is burning and we must put out fire in our own backyard first.
!!!بلے بلے
@mbokhari
yaara agar woh bhatta khori or target killing say baaz aa gaye to kisi kaam kay nahee rahain gay. and more importantly un ka source of income khatam ho jaaye ga. Altaf bhai to chalo chooran bech lain gay baaqione ka kia ho ga?
On another note, while id like to believe the ‘intibaah’ is true, the recent meetingin of AZ with AH in London doesnt suggest they are going to do anything against them anytime soon…
Then again, who knows who ‘aala hukaam’ actually are around here.
“On another note, while id like to believe the ‘intibaah’ is true, the recent meetingin of AZ with AH in London doesnt suggest they are going to do anything against them anytime soon…”
AZ has no powers and his powers have been taken away since CJ has came back. It is the army who is running the country and they are the one who are putting MQM key gorrilay in their place.
Target killing is not a good news for the MQM. This is the only way to create a fear among the workers of MQM and among their families. If lower worker become fearful and paranoid, party is not able to stand up and play their usual game.
This is a plan to break their back and keep in check. They have spend 9-10 years of honeymoon and now it is time for them to pay some dues.
For Haris Khan and co who have been constantly insisting that locals will hate army for going ahead with military operation
@mbokhari,
I am not sure how reliable this newspaper is but if it is reliable then it is about freaking time that Altaf is reined in.
A Pakistani displaced girl carries a pot with water in Jalozai refugee camp near Peshawar, Pakistan, Monday, June 8, 2009. The Swat battle is seen as a test of Pakistan’s resolve to take on militants challenging the government in the northwestern regions near Afghanistan. Up to 3 million people have fled the fighting and the exodus has raised fears of a humanitarian crisis.
(AP Photo/Emilio Morenatti)
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- “Village Song” by Sarojini Naidu
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@Amir Hameed
Let’s hope it is true. About time, I say.
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