No any Single Word regarding Line of Actions settled with Americans to Face Terrorism only “Hum Sakhti Say Nimtaien Gaay – Hum Shaheedoun Ko Salam Paish Kurtay Hein.”
First of all this nation has to decide finally in near future that Zardari is a President, Cheater or an Imposter. He was convicted by Swiss Court declared Culprit, the Accidental president. I can guess but don’t know in detail how he did it all in his life. Plus he does not represent all Pakistanis but government must treat all its civilians equal. If they/PPP continue to do what they did years ago, they can never avoid Terrorism. If Pakistani Government states that Taliban leader-ship is a Terrorist so as the government.
There is a saying “You see your shadow in your Enemies.” Only when there is Suppression Un-justice is prevailed, Terrorism is born. So at least this time let the government open its arm to equality.
Where in the Constitution did it say “The President or PM can send troops to invade a specific Territory at Pitch Dark Night at his will without asking NA Approval? This-Moron President really screwed shit up and Northern Areas & now the Punjab Province and then they installed a puppet pro-upper class regime that was “Pipliay Jiyalays.”
Ha! His closed family friend Rehman Malik was tired of being taken advantage of by Washington, so Obamama Admin’n has to take him out in near future. This is called a Typical Presidential Politics.
Go read on the Constitution, Dum-bass! Yes, the commander in chief has the power to send troops, but he has to answer to NA within stipulated period or withdraw in other words Zardari is not a good Manipulator.
See what RM is saying to his Boss in this following Video then vide the last Paragraph.
The King of a Jungle Lion was addressing to all living animals introduced to his cabinet this Leopard is Chohan, Zabra is Araien, this Fox is Butt & this Dog is Zardari the Dog replied No, No Your Majesty I myself happy in as Dog Named.
Nonsense speech, he raising Army wages while there is no pressure for this, trying to exploit BB Shaheeeeeed once again, and the real issue is not even touched. The suisiders are the angry people kept under the poverty line due to injustice in the society. Zardari must announce that first of all he is presenting himself for accountibilty and nobody will be beyond accountibility, and do some real actions to make justice system effective. In the current situation of injustice in Pakistan anyone born in a muslim home, could be used as suisider with a minimum effort. So Mr. Zardari do some thing solid, otherwise you should know that you are one of the ba**ds ruling the country since September 12, 1948.
Zardari is a living dummy, he didn’t use even his natural speaking style, but of Ghulam Ishaq Khan or more probably of Zia ul Haq. He was delivering a tuppppppppp! after every sentnce, and nobody adjusted sound system accordingly, I think he has gathered donkeys (ghadhey he ghadhy) arround him.
What the heck was that? You called this an address to a nation? He was speaking as if a kid in class 2 reads from urdu textbook loudly in the class. Also, what’s the point of addressing the nation at 1:00 AM when most of the countrymen are sleeping? This govt. has not done a single thing that we feel proud of.
The only thing that can save this nuts ass is another martial law by the army. I believe that is what he is trying to do. Mess things up so bad that army comes in, puts him in an Air conditioned jail so he can come back as a victim after a few years. Or Sir Bilawal!
President AZ has openly challenged Taliban and extremist forces and His speech was a message to multiple players.
To army: You are the front players in this war for progressive Pakistan and eradication and Most of our Javans are fighting and lying their lives for this cause.Should not feel alone and Govt can take care of them.
To Taliban: Clear war upon you.
To IDPs and other ppl who have suffered due to extremism: Govt is with you and it will help u rehabilitate.
To Other political parties: This is war for our country and it requires to support this war against extremist forces.and those parties who keeps soft corner for Taliban (PMLN etc) and Taliban supporters Parties ( PTI,JI etc) should revisit their stance because Govt and Military are in full swing to wipe out extremist forces.so you have to decide ur side.
Overall concise but meaningful address.Though AZ Hatred and propagnadist wont see any positive thing in his address because their minds are choked with hate and fury.
GARLAND for people of Pakistan
Any guide -line or constructive foreign Policy or internal policy
some hundereds so called Taliban or Militants belong internal or external hostages
all NATION and we no policy, only
kab tak benazir ka naam par koom ko dhoka doo ghay.
. Zardari u dont have any one who likes u and ur gay friend altafa dacoo. Just leave our country and join ur retarded son in LONDON.
DONT FINISH THE OPERATION, MAKE IT FAST, KILL EACH AND ANY JAHIL MUNAFIQ TALIB, these gundhay zahan walay munafiqeens should be burn to death and INSHALLAH will be burn in hell until the day of jugement and then these murderers will be thrown to hell.
FU**CK YOU RETARTED TALIBANS, SHAME SHAME ON UR UGLY FACES, WHY ARE U HIDING UR UGLY FACES, LET WE SEE MONSTERS FACES.
This idiot of a president can never realise that the end of this conflict is a defeat for Pak army. He makes it out that this a war Pakistan must fight but in reality he and the mercernary Pak army are only doing America’s strategic bidding and getting paid handomly for it . Pakistan today is between a rock and a very hard place of its own making I just hope that the people of Swat and Paktunkwa are well integrated in this notion of a Pakistan otherwise this nation is heading for a 1971 East Pakistan situation very soon .
A speech meant to show the resolve of the Government and the army that they are not going to back down from this war and are prepared to any length to deal with the terrorists (Taliban).
Increase in pay for the army.
Establishment of an army garrison in Swat.
And also a word of comfort for the IDPs.
Overall, a good speech.
Message for the slanderers, don’t look at zardari as an individual, look at him as the president of Pakistan who is speaking on behalf of the state of Pakistan.
Mir Munsif has posted a good link to President Zardari’s profile and his performance so far. Given that Dawn is arguably the most reliable newspaper in Pakistan, good words for President Zardari show that he has actually delivered and is sincere with the nation. I am going to repost the above link from the comments posted by Mir Munsif, below:
Does anyone care what Mr.Zardari or Mr.Yousuf Raza Gilani has to say ?? Atleast I don’t, infact I would water my plants than waste my time listening to these puppets !!!!
I agree – I dont particularly like Zardari but today he was addressing the nation as the President of Pakistan and we should respect that office. He has been democratically elected and while the NRO is a contentious issue it is still considered as law in Pakistan.
About the speech I think the delivery could have been better but he said the right stuff. This is a war for the survival of Pakistan. He appreciated the courage shown by the armed forces and ordered an increase in pay of the soldiers. This was needed because the Taliban fighters are getting paid Rs20,000 per month. He praised the courage and persevernce of the IDP’s and told them that Pak Army will establish a cantonement in Mingora therefore the army will never leave the people of swat alone again.
Guys lets unite and fight these Talibans. Whoever thinks that the talibans will suddenly lay their weapons if we remove ourselves from Americans war is deluded. These talibans dont give a sh*t about that – they want a country of their own and if its not going to be afghanistan then they would take the NWFP. So open your eyes my friends and dont look at everything as a f*uking saazish of the West. I have seen first hand what these Talibans are capable of and believe me you dont want to see what I have seen. If anyone is interested then ask me and I will email them actual videos of Pakistani soldiers being slaughtered (Yes actual beheadings while they wear the uniform) by these TALIBAN ANIMALS. The Talibans have forced 12 year old children to cut the throats of our brave soldiers and then recorded it on video. Morons like IK and people of the JI are either really deluded or infact in cahoots with these Talibans if they think that they will mend their ways if we talk to them. Have anyone of you ever spoken to them? I have….it is impossible to reason with them. Its either their way or the highway!
Everyone is againt Zardari. Bring alternative. Who will take his place? Nawaz Sharif or Imran Khan. Do you think that Nawaz Sharif is acceptible to establishment and US?Imran is a one man show.
Please come up with a name who take Zardari.
I agree with AAMansoori’s assessment to about Zardari!
Looking at the body language he looked stressed out, hardly a presidential style rather reminded me of GWB … Am I the only one who noticed the snapping sound of nervous dry mouth with each sentence?????? Sounded just terrible… A sign of defeated man…I think he should have brought the teleprompter form his last American trip and practiced on it for today’s address…
If nothing else the Talibs may be bad people but sure they have unhinged this man… And like it or not the down trodden and enslaved people of the third world who don’t have much to loose do see that the only way get rid of the neo colonialism is through the barrel of gun…
Some one has face this thuggish political usurpers to account for their loot, we know the Pakis can’t hitch their wagons with Americans and get anywhere cuz they themselves are lost in their meltdown…
When I see footage of filthy IDP camps with UN markings gives me horrible feeling being a Paki in this days and age… How can I tell my neighbors who asks “these Paki politicos can’t do any thing with finesse even when it is being paid on “do more mantra” by the neocons and Zionists ! The IDP condition speaks volumes on the “Prior Planning Prevents the Piss Poor Performance” …They are the ones who have been really screwed out of their lands if they die with disease or got fried in the bombing campaign…
You guys remember Faluja Iraq?
Do you trust this character whose life savings excuse me lootings are outside Pakistan?
Bribing the Army with more pay…with American payoffs… shame shame
What bravery do you need to fire from F16 or the gun ships or any big gun other than rating to fire them for living?
I just seen an article in Counterpunch about what the IDP’s are saying that this whole thing was to get rid of the Swatis for their land…..go check it out!
Can we be a civilized nation? Unequivocally, the answer is no. Can we be people who can engage in a civilized dialogue? Definitely, the answer is no. We do not utter words rather puke. By slaughtering others with our vengeful words filled with venom based on our personal biases, we involuntarily engage in character assassination of the country, nation, society, and every single citizen. I am amazed that we fail to recognize that 90% of damage to us as a country is self-inflicted. It was an eye opener again that when loss was imminent against Sri Lanka in today’s T20 match, I heard slogans Sri lank Zindabad by the very same people who were saying Pakistan Zindabad moments ago. Emotions and baseless emotions without self-reflection…….. Time is up my friends……..Visualize the ends and have means consistent with those ends…. Otherwise…..
Coming to the speech, I think it was exactly as per the needs of the hour. Morale building for brave soldiers, hope for IDPs, condolences for loved-ones of martyrs, clear warning for Taliban, and commitment to the operation till its desired conclusion. Delivery of the speech was not very impressive and the telecast time was not convenient. However, the message is clear that barbarism of thugs and criminals of Taliban will be dealt with force. For many, this is good enough message. For those who condemn brutalities of Taliban, it was appropriate speech irrespective of their personal biases.
there is not a single objectionable thing in his speach,why people are getting crazy at him.zerdari is the most suitable president at this time,thats wyy most of the political parties are agree on him and international players too.i think he is the most smart person in pakistan.he united all the nation against taliban with in one year.he is there for the long run,at least fifteen years.when he will leave the office,pakistan wil be modren ,advance country with out extrmists.
It does not matter one bit what Zardari said. He can conveniently say tomorrow that he never meant whatever he said in the speech as it was just a political speech, not Quran or Hadees.
double the slaray; slowly and steadily they are again becoming masters. Its police which is the first line of defense against suicide bombers: they are also protecting the cantts.
democrate said: there is not a single objectionable thing in his speach,why people are getting crazy at him.zerdari is the most suitable president at this time,thats wyy most of the political parties are agree on him and international players too.i think he is the most smart person in pakistan.he united all the nation against taliban with in one year.he is there for the long run,at least fifteen years.when he will leave the office,pakistan wil be modren ,advance country with out extrmists.===XXX===
democrate: I wish Admin would Allow to answer the Participants in their own Natural Style but Code of Ethics blah blah:
Na Aqal Mein Arahi tumahri Mubaiyana Mantaqien-
Na hi Zehan Roshan kur rahi hein tumahri Batien-
Taliban, America aur India Ka hai Charcha Rooz –
Doosri Taraf sirf Taraqi Paarahi Hein Qimatien Rooz –
Yani Sirf Ghurbat aur Girani Mein Izafa Horaha Hai –
Aur Yeh Democrate Kuch aur hi Bansi Baja raha hai.
Purpose of having BB and ZB picture?
Why such an in confident voice? I don’t understand why our leaders can not think beyond themselves and their party? Pathetic speech by a pathetic person.
Still I would like to see the democratic process to continue.
How loud you cry and use your propagandist and nefarious statements against PPP but President AZ speech was open challenge to Extremist forces and to save the nation from those innocent killers.During current crisis,PPP is only federal party who is leading the war against extremist and bring progressivism back in Pakistan.While PMLN a lip service and soft corner taliban party …Only issues lip service comments but not open support for war against extremist and no better plans to save innocent ppl killing in LHR..where is CM SB to save innocent ppl or does President AZ has stopped CM SB not to save lives of innocent ppl in Punjab what is he doing???? Its PMLN in Punjab who should protect lives of innocent ppl????
What to talk abt PTI and JI (Pro Taliban parties) and they are playing in the hands of Extremists and those who favour taliban,are equally responsible for killing of innocent ppl.
Great work PPP and ANP for leading war against extremism and ultra right orthodoxism…Wish a new dawn of Peace,progress and welfare begins soon.
@AAM
Angarizi nasar k sath sath aap urdu Shairi ka bairra gharq karnay bhi khas malka rakhtay hain
aap k klam main sadgi ore purkari koot koot kar bhari hui hai
Mnzar kashi, dili jazbaat, takhayal ki parwaz aap ki shari main wazeh toor par nazar aatay hain
Zamany ki na qadar shanasi or Talkhi-e-ayyam nay aap k kalam ko aik nai jahat aata ki hai jis ka izhar aap bakhoobi kartay hain
( Jari hai…..)
if you notice zardari’s breath rhythm during speech you can see he is nervous! i am sure he rehearsed it probably a million times but this nervousness is natural for accidental leaders like him…
bhola said:@AAM Angarizi nasar k sath sath aap urdu Shairi ka bairra gharq karnay bhi khas malka rakhtay hain……………………Zamany ki na qadar shanasi or Talkhi-e-ayyam nay aap k kalam ko aik nai jahat aata ki hai jis ka izhar aap bakhoobi kartay hain.=====XXXXXXXXX=====
Aur Aapki Guftago Samgh say Balatar Hai, Kahin Intahi Durjay Ki Tanqid tou Kahin Bahaut hi Zaida Tarif.
Koi Sirr Pair Hai tou Wazahat o Balghat Kay Saath Biyan Farmiyae.
I do not understand why some bloggers are coming so hard on Zardari even some are using very crapy language. I am again asking please give a name who can take Zardari position.
At this point he is the only person who can lead the county. Do you think Nawaz Sharif can handle the situation? Or any other person.
Keep in mind that I am not a fan of Zardari.
thanks
Aftab
Deobandiyon kay baray main jitnay bhi comments hotay hain meri unn sab ko bhi yehi Adnan Ahmed Mansoori remove karvata hai admin kay saath saazish kar kay.
afisadi said: ……………….who can take Zardari position…………………. Since Childhood this has been listening =Dhondnay Saay Khuda(Jj) bhi Mil Jata Ha= You cannot find a single Sincere Leader in surroundings.
Nachiz Ki Rai Mein sirf Election ka Process chalnay dein Achay sincere leaders khud samnay ajien Gaay.
junaid sheikh said:Deobandiyon kay baray main jitnay bhi comments hotay hain meri unn sab ko bhi yehi Adnan Ahmed Mansoori remove karvata hai admin kay saath saazish kar kay.=====xxxxxxx======
Lou Bhaiya ADMIN aap ko Sazish ka Hisa Dar Bana Kaiysa Laga!?
Yaqeen Karien Gay Junaid Sb. Dua Mustaqbil ki yehi hai Sirf Agar Panch Waqt ki Namaz Jamat Kay Saath Mil Jaay Chaay woh kisi bhi Maslak ki hou, woh din saab say aacha din hoga.
Jou Shaied Abhi Tak Mumkin Nahi Ho Saka, Baqi-Zindagi Bakhair.
As always mentioned – Mausi Kufar Hai.
Adnan Ahmed Mansoori sahab, agar yehi tofeek aap ko ho jaye kay aap Pakistan kay khilaaf larnay walay Taliban kay khilaaf bhi kuch bol sakain, or Pakistan ki riyasat ki taraf daari karain or President ko sirf iss liye bura na samjhain kyun keh wo aap ko zaati tor par napasand hai. To yeh bhi kaafi savaab ka kaam hai.
Lekin sirf apnay maslak kay logo ki taraf daari karna, chahay wo kitnay bhi galat kyun na hon, yeh bhi munasib baat nahin.
Umeed hai aap ko meri guzarish nagavaar nahin guzray gi.
Zardari we feel sharam to call you our president, do u feel that you are our president,
Why operation is going slow against monistors, we have 6 millions army, brilliant pilots brave commanders, so make it quick , clean TALIBANS GUNND ASAP.
WHEN OPERATION IS GOING SLOW, THEY MAY REGROUP , DONT GIVE THEM ANY BREATH, KILL TALIBAN’S BATIL ASAP.
HAQ HAQ HOTA HAI BATIL KO MITNA HAI, these so called molivies, all of them mouchi, kasai, builders, etc kill kill just kill their fitna, so all of their aggas USA, KSA, INDIA, ISRAEL SHOULD BE CUT TO THEIR LIMITS
hmmmmm
so 1:00 o’clock in the night….
how dumb can one be to do a speach at such time…
may be rehman malik and zardari kept making corrections to spellings ….
how many i’s did they put in Pakistan….
ok so the President has told the people that the army is fighting a war…. atleast after more than a month now we know for sure…..
in the budget presented on june 13 there is a incease in the budget of armed forces and the salary of army personnel.
so on june 12 the president thought it necessary at 1 o’clock in the night to address the entire nation and give them a sneak peek in the budget….
so dumb….but dumb is a small word for him and his patners….. find a word that is 2.87 trillion times of dumb….
It doesnt matter what he barks… The only thing what matters is “what he does…”
what he has been doing…………is absolutely idiotic… no initiative, no proactivity, illogical stupid absurd moves…..
On the other hand… his govt is lucky because of crises after crises media can not concentrate on the corruption which is going on in the country… me be he is creating these crises so that they can transfer enough money to the swiss banks…
junaid sheikh said:…………….Umeed hai aap ko meri guzarish nagavaar nahin guzray gi.
Junaid Sb. Between You & Me there is an Obvious Giant Size Difference Whenever I would state something this would be with BLACK & WHITE evidence on the other hand you would talk with assumptions/Guess only.
No even any single Verbal Proof or at the extent of to Be Provided Proof in future from your end.
this is not the time for speeches but work for the country, unfortunately our president is just sitting in the cosy comforts of islamabad and spend most of his time outside country to collect the booty he looted during last time in govt. most unfortunate that we have zardari dacoit as president at this crucial time, he and his gang including half dozen most corrupt people we can imagine are doing only businesses in president house, making billions of dollars, stories of his corruption are abound in islamabad, real leadership of ppp has gone in the back and his unelected mushirs are the one running the guns, this time he knows that there is no bb so he is making real money and will run before he will be arrested again.
The existential threat to Taliban and extremist forces is from current regime.PPP is standing in front to lead the war against these extremist forces.One can find faults in PPP but its very obvious that its only party which is steering the nation towards Progressivisim and against Talibanism.Taliban lovers are so much in pain and fury that they use all sorts if language to down play the character of PPP leaders but This time,they should know that majority of nation is supporting this operation against Extermist forces.Great work by President Zardari and PPP.
As I mentioned various time in my previous comments,other parties are not that much open to challenge extremists.I repeat again..PMLN…only few comments for news papers but if you hear Ch.Nisar,Saad Rafiq and many others,they are against operation and keep very soft corner poor extremists.LHR is under constant attack and PLN cant avert these attacks in one city then question is.. if they cant protect one main hold city..how they can protect whole Pakistan??? and even all these attacks,where is on ground strategy and open challenge to extremist??? Why are feeling suffice to give media statements only on such attacks..what is their role in Punjab???? CM SB is responsible for law n order in Punjab..aint he??
As I said about PTI and JI..pro extremist parties,their role is shameful.
Majority of PPP haters are extremist ppl who feel that the biggest threat to them is PPP,not any other PARTY thats why they use abusive words and propaganda against PPP and leadership.
While others who dont like PPP but believe in democracy and progressive Pakistan,then I ask simple question,Democracy runs on mandate and if PPP has mandate and they showed it in Assembly to elect PM and President then respect the mandate and wait for next election.If you want to vote out PPP through democratic means,Its the democratic process but dont stand by with extremist to blame PPP for every thing.
You said it man. PPP is the last hope for this country while others are plying politics specifically PML(N) is not clear what it should support. As a matter of fact PML(N) is a group of people with no ideology except with Bhutto Dushamsi as a common factor. This group initially consisted of NS SS, Ejaz ul Haq, Raja Basharat, Haneed Abbasi, Ahsan Iqbal, Ch Shujaat, Ch Nisar, KSR, Javed Hashmi, Pervaiz Ellahi, Sh. Rasheed, Raza Kasuri etc etc. What is common between them except Bhutto Dushmani.
How many Bhuttos will you kill, there will be a Bhutto coming out of each home.
The existential threat to Pakistan is culmination of a lot of bad decision through out the history of Pakistan. It is not any one single person/party’s fault. Every one had his/her share in it and mostly the awam of Pakistan is responsible for the devastation they are facing today, people like you me and countless other souls who have left the thought of a collective Pakistan in distinct past and are progressing towards the ultimate division. God forbid that happens but it is clear that even us among each other wants this.
Zardari is another step towards that dungeon and destruction. We have been progressively loosing the self respect and dignity and now standing on a point were for us these words are mere words with no meanings. For us , in this moment of crisis person of a chareter as dubious and dark as Zardari , has become the only hope of salvation. It is a fact that Zardari is scum of the earth, he has no sense of morality, no intelect and no dignity what so ever but all these traits are still acceptable for us because for us the meaning of these words have lost other wise how could a wise person like you or tahir mahmood could say or mean it when we all know what he really is.
By the logic of accepting Zardari as our president we should also accept that the standards of morality set by the thousands of years of human life on this earth doesnot have any considerable value for us. The virtues of humanity (truth, selflessness, honor, piety, gaurding of the words given to other, gaurding ot the promises made to other etc) taught to us and practically implemented and documented by our forefathers in distinct past does not apply to us today and should not be pursued today, hence our acceptance of the likes of Zardari, Rehman Malik, Altaf Hussain and to certain extent Leadership of PMLN.
These virtues of humanity are the common traits, qualities of the greatest leaders of the world who have left their mark on the face of history and most importantly in human hearts that they rule and command, since we do accept this view then we should also accept we donot desire people who have these traits as well.
It is not Zardari`s fault what is happening to Pakistan, he does what his nature commands and we follow because his action provides us with the personal gains regardless of the fact that they are entirely aganist the virtues of humanity and the true principles written in the Quran.
So there is really no point to blame Zardari and PPP NOT because they are any good or what they are doing is good, no definitely not, they are the worst possible group of people that could rule a country, BUT because we have accepted it as our norm and they fit our level and understanding of morality.
SO what is the solution
who could take his place
who could rule this wretched land cursed by Allah
THAT ONE PERSON WHO WILL UNDERSTAND AND ACCEPT the true meanings of these virtues and refuse to compromise on them. every nation gets one and it only takes one.
bravo man zardari chaa gaya ha
appreciate him guys
dont do politics at this moment
i strongly opposed ppps policies but now my opinion is changing about them
pakistan zindabad..
@junaid sheikh
A poor attempt, certainly not too good to be posted twice in different threads.
Besides this is not a war between Deobandis and Brailvis
Main aik baat bohot ehtraam kay saath apnay unn deobandi bhaiyon ki khidmat main paish kar doon jo Khud Kush hamlo ki muzammat to kartay hain lekin khud kush hamla karnay walay Taliban ki himayat kartay hain.
Chori ko bura kehna or chor ki tareef karna, yeh aqal say baala tar baat hai.
Main hargiz nahin chahta kay pakistan main Barelvi or Deobandiyon ki jung ho. Pakistan kay aam log, chahay wo deobandi hon ya barelvi ya kisi or muslak ya mazhab kay wo Pakistan say bohot muhabbat kartay hain.
Main sirf unn deobandiyon ki muzammat karta hoon, jo Taliban ki himayat kartay hain yeh jantay huvay bhi kay yeh Taliban khullay dushman hain Pakistan kay.
Main iss nonsense ko kabool karnay kay liye tayyar nahin kay Taliban aam logo ko or Dr Sarfraz Naeemi jaisay logo ko sirf iss liye khud kush hamlo main maar rahay hain kyun keh Taliban kay khayal main Pakistan America ka saath day raha hai.
Yeh bahana ab Pakistan mein koi tasleem nahin karnay wala.
One sided analysis by you.You gave all A to Z blames on PPP and President AZ.
Point 1. If we really believe in democracy and wants democratic system for Pakistan then we should respect it.ppl have given mandate and PPP successfully managed to elect PM and President.PPP has not grabbed power like Military junta but won through genuine process.If you and other so called true pakistanis have any grudge against PPP,wait ur turn and vote out PPP and this is fair way.You reject PPP next time.This is how democracy functions.So in ur hate,u dont want to consider him President,its ur choice,no body listens to you.He is President now.
Point 2.On what account you blame zardari for every thing bad to Pakistan?? Is he convicted by any court??Inspite of all efforts,neither NS Govt nor Military ones prove a single case??? Life long imprisonment is for 10 years and he spent there without any conviction for 11 years.Chairman NRB Saif ur rehman publicly stated that those were false cases.How judges gave the verdict..dont forget the Tape record produced which shows that then Punjab High court Judge Malik Qayaoom and Ihtsaab bureau head was talking about getting AZ convicted??? Establishment always used propaganda against Bhutto family and brain washed ppl against them.But on ground,there are not significant charges.All fabricated cases never proved,cases got lingering and lingering.You can argue and have difference PPP and AZ but you have No right to make any personal attacks.
Point 3. On current turmoil,which party is publicy challenging extremist forces.?? Its PPP my brother.I know,PPP may not be sacred cow but in this time all other parties are turing deaf ear to issue.LHR is under constant attacks,but not single bold step by PMLN and you can hear top leadership like Ch.Nisar,Saad rafiq openly denoucing any operation against Taliban and NS and SB gives only lip service statements.Country is buring but they are not inclined to give a clear signal to ppl against Taliban/extremists.They even cant manage to protect attacks in LHR and I am sure if there might be PPP in Punjab then you may listen cries of u ppl that PPP should resign..PPP cant protect ppl..now if u have courage and sensibility..make same demand from PMLN ppl.
Point4.If you talk about unity in country then PPP is one of largest federal party .since strength of Pakistan lies in federal parties because they unite ppl under one umbrella.
yusafkhan said:
“I agree – I dont particularly like Zardari but today he was addressing the nation as the President of Pakistan and we should respect that office.”
Khoga rora, no one should have the problem in respecting the office of the president, however, it is Zardari himself that has disrespected the office of the President of Pakistan. Remember his appearance with the 3rd level State Department Official, Buldozer, Halbrook a few days back. What was presidential about that? Respect, unfortunately or fortunately, is something to be earned and can not be bestowed by us mortals.
I repeat the same for you.High light performance and criticize program of PPP but don’t be personal or make personal attacks.You ppl also don’t have any other point except to bash and use hate language against PPP leadership.In any democratic set up,ppl do criticize govt prgs and oppose it but they accept their President/PM as their own.But here in our side,ppl use all sort of dirty language against PPP leadership.
Now coming to issues.
1.Loadshedding: Now the light u get in metropolitian cities is from APIs the ones PPP signed during their term.No new Electricity plant established during PMLN second term nor during Military regime of Mushraf.So you better ask them first but dont remember,Electricity plants gets some time.The Govt have signed Wind Energy plants with Turkey and other govt.Thar coal Electricity plant is near to start.It will take time but this again in PPP’s intiative after 96 that they work for bringing light in ur homes.Give some times,you will feel the difference.
2. Economy: Mushraf’s bubble economy was just slogan but there was huge economical crisis when Mush left.Now you see,Friends of Pakistan and US Aid,Italy waived off loans and European Union accpted to allow some help to entry of Pakistani products in Euro zone.Agricultural targets for year 2008/2009 achieved.Military operation is going in Swat and there is hufe chaos but inspite of it ..we are Moving.Dont think that President AZ and PPP have any magic ring to solve decades of economical crisis in one year.Be realistic!!
3.Security: Due to Double games of Mushraf,Taliban got more strength and now Taliban are so strong that they are attacking every city.Their outreach is too high.Other Parties are turning deaf ear to come clear against Talibans.Its PPP however who is steering the operation to eradicate talibanism,the worst security challenge.
4.Drone Attacks: It started during Mush era,even currently President’s visit,this was highlighted.But dont think it that Govt will start a new war with USA because of few extremist’s aspires soo.This issue be dealt as per requirement.
Hope u open ur eyes and grow up too and see the difference.because ur eyes are closed by hate and fury.
@junaid sheikh said,
“Main aik baat bohot ehtraam kay saath apnay unn deobandi bhaiyon ki khidmat main paish kar doon jo Khud Kush hamlo ki muzammat to kartay hain lekin khud kush hamla karnay walay Taliban ki himayat kartay hain.”
Please have some cognizance of recent past before just jumping the sectarian gun. Remember all those ulema on the deobandi side who got killed by the same people in NWFP and FATA but which were not as widely projected and published about. REMEMBER, MOLANA HASSAN JAN, who was the first one to give a FATWA against suicide bombing and denounced Lal Masjid cleric’s efforts to run a parallel state. Add to the list a considerable number of ulema in FATA who were killed along with the tribal leaders who crossed the militants path to control. These people were killed while the state of Pakistan stood by and did nothing.
I have the utmost respect for all who stood up and some sacrificed with their lives against the menace of suicide bombing and militancy. The people who are confronting the militants on the ideological front are the “real resistance”.
Thanks for your answer but you have missed the whole point of my argument.
“If we really believe in democracy and wants democratic system for Pakistan then we should respect it..”
What i was trying to say in my previous post was that our understanding of words like democracy, justice, peace and honor has taken completely opposite meaning to what has been universally accepted. True PP has won mandate and they have choosen their respective leaders , no doubt about it but their choice is reflective of their moral groundings. We dont have to go very far back in time, his attitude and denial of the promises that he made before the elections after becmoing president is enough to show the true charecter of his personality. There are simply too much wrong about his personlity that his choice as presedential candidate should never be made at first place. Only reason he was able to become president at first place was because of NRO and that is why he will never repeal that till he has his man in supreme court of Pakistan. If he KNOWS what democracy is they why has he not returned the powers to the true representative of Nation, ie Prime minister of Pakistan when constitution of Pakistan doesnot allow Presidents to have such powers. Why after so long the constitution is not restored to the 1973 state?
Why did people have to go to the extent of LONG MARCH to get chief justice restored why was he not restored earlier to his legal place and stature?
WHy there hasnot been any enquiry of his wife’s death in Pakistan by independent investigators. I dont think that there even exists and FIR for this matter. It was only his wife’s death and the sympathies of people to her that he was able to climb the ledder. to me it seems like a trait suited for a vulture.
Just too many “whys” my friend
and as for his conviction is concern , he and his wife was convicted in 2003 by swiss court in the case of laudering kickbacks.
and as for his mental capability is concerned did he not himself submitted the report from
US doctors about him being a patient of dementia, depression and post traumic stress disorder just to delay the rulings against himÉ . how convenient it is that now he is recovered from those illnesses.
Point , my friend is , List against him is too long for you or any other person to justify.
I was talking about the collective mental attitude and was trying to explain that in terms of one particular person .
Thanks for enlightening us with ur ‘super ideas’.You have so many whys but I have just simple questions to you.Which court has convicted him? Remember..No case proved in the court of law.Which one leader has remained in prison for 11 years and not sold out??Please present Dr report abt President Zardari as proof to ur statements,otherwise,dont give ear to propagandas and ill-information because to a quote : “Ill-information is biggest dilemma for any society”.
Inspite of zero proof and only blames based on propaganda and hate campaign,one cant be termed as ZERO?? Please talk abt facts not abt baseless propaganda.
khari huee thee iss terrorist ke khilaf long march main
No any Single Word regarding Line of Actions settled with Americans to Face Terrorism only “Hum Sakhti Say Nimtaien Gaay – Hum Shaheedoun Ko Salam Paish Kurtay Hein.”
First of all this nation has to decide finally in near future that Zardari is a President, Cheater or an Imposter. He was convicted by Swiss Court declared Culprit, the Accidental president. I can guess but don’t know in detail how he did it all in his life. Plus he does not represent all Pakistanis but government must treat all its civilians equal. If they/PPP continue to do what they did years ago, they can never avoid Terrorism. If Pakistani Government states that Taliban leader-ship is a Terrorist so as the government.
There is a saying “You see your shadow in your Enemies.” Only when there is Suppression Un-justice is prevailed, Terrorism is born. So at least this time let the government open its arm to equality.
Where in the Constitution did it say “The President or PM can send troops to invade a specific Territory at Pitch Dark Night at his will without asking NA Approval? This-Moron President really screwed shit up and Northern Areas & now the Punjab Province and then they installed a puppet pro-upper class regime that was “Pipliay Jiyalays.”
Ha! His closed family friend Rehman Malik was tired of being taken advantage of by Washington, so Obamama Admin’n has to take him out in near future. This is called a Typical Presidential Politics.
Go read on the Constitution, Dum-bass! Yes, the commander in chief has the power to send troops, but he has to answer to NA within stipulated period or withdraw in other words Zardari is not a good Manipulator.
See what RM is saying to his Boss in this following Video then vide the last Paragraph.
http://www.youtube.com/user/prq7
The King of a Jungle Lion was addressing to all living animals introduced to his cabinet this Leopard is Chohan, Zabra is Araien, this Fox is Butt & this Dog is Zardari the Dog replied No, No Your Majesty I myself happy in as Dog Named.
you really should be banned for posting nonsensical garbage…
Nonsense speech, he raising Army wages while there is no pressure for this, trying to exploit BB Shaheeeeeed once again, and the real issue is not even touched. The suisiders are the angry people kept under the poverty line due to injustice in the society. Zardari must announce that first of all he is presenting himself for accountibilty and nobody will be beyond accountibility, and do some real actions to make justice system effective. In the current situation of injustice in Pakistan anyone born in a muslim home, could be used as suisider with a minimum effort. So Mr. Zardari do some thing solid, otherwise you should know that you are one of the ba**ds ruling the country since September 12, 1948.
Zardari is a living dummy, he didn’t use even his natural speaking style, but of Ghulam Ishaq Khan or more probably of Zia ul Haq. He was delivering a tuppppppppp! after every sentnce, and nobody adjusted sound system accordingly, I think he has gathered donkeys (ghadhey he ghadhy) arround him.
What the heck was that? You called this an address to a nation? He was speaking as if a kid in class 2 reads from urdu textbook loudly in the class. Also, what’s the point of addressing the nation at 1:00 AM when most of the countrymen are sleeping? This govt. has not done a single thing that we feel proud of.
As for Taliboys… Go to hell!
@admin
thanks for uploading…can we free this up please?
Tarar: I’m not Robert De Niro but just sake for Argument?
Are you talking to Me?
If you are, Ok Jump in.
Aik din aap ko zaroor jootai parain ge!
The only thing that can save this nuts ass is another martial law by the army. I believe that is what he is trying to do. Mess things up so bad that army comes in, puts him in an Air conditioned jail so he can come back as a victim after a few years. Or Sir Bilawal!
I turned it of after 1 minute should have known better to waste a minute on this crook.
As you are, so will be the rulers that will be set over you” –
Mishkaat-al-Masabeeh
President AZ has openly challenged Taliban and extremist forces and His speech was a message to multiple players.
To army: You are the front players in this war for progressive Pakistan and eradication and Most of our Javans are fighting and lying their lives for this cause.Should not feel alone and Govt can take care of them.
To Taliban: Clear war upon you.
To IDPs and other ppl who have suffered due to extremism: Govt is with you and it will help u rehabilitate.
To Other political parties: This is war for our country and it requires to support this war against extremist forces.and those parties who keeps soft corner for Taliban (PMLN etc) and Taliban supporters Parties ( PTI,JI etc) should revisit their stance because Govt and Military are in full swing to wipe out extremist forces.so you have to decide ur side.
Overall concise but meaningful address.Though AZ Hatred and propagnadist wont see any positive thing in his address because their minds are choked with hate and fury.
Whats expectations of NATION ? from PRESIDENT
GARLAND for people of Pakistan
Any guide -line or constructive foreign Policy or internal policy
some hundereds so called Taliban or Militants belong internal or external hostages
all NATION and we no policy, only
HUM YEH KERLAINGEY WHO KERLAINGEY
KISi KOU IZAZAT NAHEE DEYNGEY **** SOVEREIGNTY****
COMMITTEE
INQUIRY
AHNEE HAATH
PAKER DHAKER
BAYANAT AFSOUS AUR TYE TYE FISH
Dawn Article about President Zardari.
http://dawnnews.net/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-library/dawn/the-newspaper/columnists/cyril-almeida-by-accident-or-design-269
kab tak benazir ka naam par koom ko dhoka doo ghay.
. Zardari u dont have any one who likes u and ur gay friend altafa dacoo. Just leave our country and join ur retarded son in LONDON.
DONT FINISH THE OPERATION, MAKE IT FAST, KILL EACH AND ANY JAHIL MUNAFIQ TALIB, these gundhay zahan walay munafiqeens should be burn to death and INSHALLAH will be burn in hell until the day of jugement and then these murderers will be thrown to hell.
FU**CK YOU RETARTED TALIBANS, SHAME SHAME ON UR UGLY FACES, WHY ARE U HIDING UR UGLY FACES, LET WE SEE MONSTERS FACES.
This idiot of a president can never realise that the end of this conflict is a defeat for Pak army. He makes it out that this a war Pakistan must fight but in reality he and the mercernary Pak army are only doing America’s strategic bidding and getting paid handomly for it . Pakistan today is between a rock and a very hard place of its own making I just hope that the people of Swat and Paktunkwa are well integrated in this notion of a Pakistan otherwise this nation is heading for a 1971 East Pakistan situation very soon .
A speech meant to show the resolve of the Government and the army that they are not going to back down from this war and are prepared to any length to deal with the terrorists (Taliban).
Increase in pay for the army.
Establishment of an army garrison in Swat.
And also a word of comfort for the IDPs.
Overall, a good speech.
Message for the slanderers, don’t look at zardari as an individual, look at him as the president of Pakistan who is speaking on behalf of the state of Pakistan.
Long live Pakistan
Mir Munsif has posted a good link to President Zardari’s profile and his performance so far. Given that Dawn is arguably the most reliable newspaper in Pakistan, good words for President Zardari show that he has actually delivered and is sincere with the nation. I am going to repost the above link from the comments posted by Mir Munsif, below:
http://dawnnews.net/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-library/dawn/the-newspaper/columnists/cyril-almeida-by-accident-or-design-269
Does anyone care what Mr.Zardari or Mr.Yousuf Raza Gilani has to say ?? Atleast I don’t, infact I would water my plants than waste my time listening to these puppets !!!!
I agree – I dont particularly like Zardari but today he was addressing the nation as the President of Pakistan and we should respect that office. He has been democratically elected and while the NRO is a contentious issue it is still considered as law in Pakistan.
About the speech I think the delivery could have been better but he said the right stuff. This is a war for the survival of Pakistan. He appreciated the courage shown by the armed forces and ordered an increase in pay of the soldiers. This was needed because the Taliban fighters are getting paid Rs20,000 per month. He praised the courage and persevernce of the IDP’s and told them that Pak Army will establish a cantonement in Mingora therefore the army will never leave the people of swat alone again.
Guys lets unite and fight these Talibans. Whoever thinks that the talibans will suddenly lay their weapons if we remove ourselves from Americans war is deluded. These talibans dont give a sh*t about that – they want a country of their own and if its not going to be afghanistan then they would take the NWFP. So open your eyes my friends and dont look at everything as a f*uking saazish of the West. I have seen first hand what these Talibans are capable of and believe me you dont want to see what I have seen. If anyone is interested then ask me and I will email them actual videos of Pakistani soldiers being slaughtered (Yes actual beheadings while they wear the uniform) by these TALIBAN ANIMALS. The Talibans have forced 12 year old children to cut the throats of our brave soldiers and then recorded it on video. Morons like IK and people of the JI are either really deluded or infact in cahoots with these Talibans if they think that they will mend their ways if we talk to them. Have anyone of you ever spoken to them? I have….it is impossible to reason with them. Its either their way or the highway!
The speech content was to the point.
Delivery of speech can be improved. But the points were excellent.
You may not like him, but he is THE PRESIDENT.
Abusive lanuage from retards wont change the fact.
Everyone is againt Zardari. Bring alternative. Who will take his place? Nawaz Sharif or Imran Khan. Do you think that Nawaz Sharif is acceptible to establishment and US?Imran is a one man show.
Please come up with a name who take Zardari.
thanks
Aftab Ahamd
I agree with AAMansoori’s assessment to about Zardari!
Looking at the body language he looked stressed out, hardly a presidential style rather reminded me of GWB … Am I the only one who noticed the snapping sound of nervous dry mouth with each sentence?????? Sounded just terrible… A sign of defeated man…I think he should have brought the teleprompter form his last American trip and practiced on it for today’s address…
If nothing else the Talibs may be bad people but sure they have unhinged this man… And like it or not the down trodden and enslaved people of the third world who don’t have much to loose do see that the only way get rid of the neo colonialism is through the barrel of gun…
Some one has face this thuggish political usurpers to account for their loot, we know the Pakis can’t hitch their wagons with Americans and get anywhere cuz they themselves are lost in their meltdown…
When I see footage of filthy IDP camps with UN markings gives me horrible feeling being a Paki in this days and age… How can I tell my neighbors who asks “these Paki politicos can’t do any thing with finesse even when it is being paid on “do more mantra” by the neocons and Zionists ! The IDP condition speaks volumes on the “Prior Planning Prevents the Piss Poor Performance” …They are the ones who have been really screwed out of their lands if they die with disease or got fried in the bombing campaign…
You guys remember Faluja Iraq?
Do you trust this character whose life savings excuse me lootings are outside Pakistan?
Bribing the Army with more pay…with American payoffs… shame shame
What bravery do you need to fire from F16 or the gun ships or any big gun other than rating to fire them for living?
I just seen an article in Counterpunch about what the IDP’s are saying that this whole thing was to get rid of the Swatis for their land…..go check it out!
Hahahaha…..
Very Impressive.
Can we be a civilized nation? Unequivocally, the answer is no. Can we be people who can engage in a civilized dialogue? Definitely, the answer is no. We do not utter words rather puke. By slaughtering others with our vengeful words filled with venom based on our personal biases, we involuntarily engage in character assassination of the country, nation, society, and every single citizen. I am amazed that we fail to recognize that 90% of damage to us as a country is self-inflicted. It was an eye opener again that when loss was imminent against Sri Lanka in today’s T20 match, I heard slogans Sri lank Zindabad by the very same people who were saying Pakistan Zindabad moments ago. Emotions and baseless emotions without self-reflection…….. Time is up my friends……..Visualize the ends and have means consistent with those ends…. Otherwise…..
Coming to the speech, I think it was exactly as per the needs of the hour. Morale building for brave soldiers, hope for IDPs, condolences for loved-ones of martyrs, clear warning for Taliban, and commitment to the operation till its desired conclusion. Delivery of the speech was not very impressive and the telecast time was not convenient. However, the message is clear that barbarism of thugs and criminals of Taliban will be dealt with force. For many, this is good enough message. For those who condemn brutalities of Taliban, it was appropriate speech irrespective of their personal biases.
What a speech by corrupt Pakistani leader. My 10 yrs old son can speak better than this idiot.
Shaheed Bi Bi, Shaheed Bi Bi nothing else
there is not a single objectionable thing in his speach,why people are getting crazy at him.zerdari is the most suitable president at this time,thats wyy most of the political parties are agree on him and international players too.i think he is the most smart person in pakistan.he united all the nation against taliban with in one year.he is there for the long run,at least fifteen years.when he will leave the office,pakistan wil be modren ,advance country with out extrmists.
@democrate:
I didnt know you can make such a good jokes…heheheh haahaha…keep it up.
It does not matter one bit what Zardari said. He can conveniently say tomorrow that he never meant whatever he said in the speech as it was just a political speech, not Quran or Hadees.
double the slaray; slowly and steadily they are again becoming masters. Its police which is the first line of defense against suicide bombers: they are also protecting the cantts.
See how our military is hunting innocent Pakistanis. Shame on Pakistani Air Force.
http://www.nawaiwaqt.com.pk/E-Paper/Lahore/2009-06-13/page-10/detail-1
If anyone wants to laugh please read the jokes of @democrate
democrate said: there is not a single objectionable thing in his speach,why people are getting crazy at him.zerdari is the most suitable president at this time,thats wyy most of the political parties are agree on him and international players too.i think he is the most smart person in pakistan.he united all the nation against taliban with in one year.he is there for the long run,at least fifteen years.when he will leave the office,pakistan wil be modren ,advance country with out extrmists.===XXX===
democrate: I wish Admin would Allow to answer the Participants in their own Natural Style but Code of Ethics blah blah:
Na Aqal Mein Arahi tumahri Mubaiyana Mantaqien-
Na hi Zehan Roshan kur rahi hein tumahri Batien-
Taliban, America aur India Ka hai Charcha Rooz –
Doosri Taraf sirf Taraqi Paarahi Hein Qimatien Rooz –
Yani Sirf Ghurbat aur Girani Mein Izafa Horaha Hai –
Aur Yeh Democrate Kuch aur hi Bansi Baja raha hai.
Purpose of having BB and ZB picture?
Why such an in confident voice? I don’t understand why our leaders can not think beyond themselves and their party? Pathetic speech by a pathetic person.
Still I would like to see the democratic process to continue.
@ all PPP haters,
How loud you cry and use your propagandist and nefarious statements against PPP but President AZ speech was open challenge to Extremist forces and to save the nation from those innocent killers.During current crisis,PPP is only federal party who is leading the war against extremist and bring progressivism back in Pakistan.While PMLN a lip service and soft corner taliban party …Only issues lip service comments but not open support for war against extremist and no better plans to save innocent ppl killing in LHR..where is CM SB to save innocent ppl or does President AZ has stopped CM SB not to save lives of innocent ppl in Punjab what is he doing???? Its PMLN in Punjab who should protect lives of innocent ppl????
What to talk abt PTI and JI (Pro Taliban parties) and they are playing in the hands of Extremists and those who favour taliban,are equally responsible for killing of innocent ppl.
Great work PPP and ANP for leading war against extremism and ultra right orthodoxism…Wish a new dawn of Peace,progress and welfare begins soon.
@AAM
Angarizi nasar k sath sath aap urdu Shairi ka bairra gharq karnay bhi khas malka rakhtay hain
aap k klam main sadgi ore purkari koot koot kar bhari hui hai
Mnzar kashi, dili jazbaat, takhayal ki parwaz aap ki shari main wazeh toor par nazar aatay hain
Zamany ki na qadar shanasi or Talkhi-e-ayyam nay aap k kalam ko aik nai jahat aata ki hai jis ka izhar aap bakhoobi kartay hain
( Jari hai…..)
if you notice zardari’s breath rhythm during speech you can see he is nervous! i am sure he rehearsed it probably a million times but this nervousness is natural for accidental leaders like him…
bhola said:@AAM Angarizi nasar k sath sath aap urdu Shairi ka bairra gharq karnay bhi khas malka rakhtay hain……………………Zamany ki na qadar shanasi or Talkhi-e-ayyam nay aap k kalam ko aik nai jahat aata ki hai jis ka izhar aap bakhoobi kartay hain.=====XXXXXXXXX=====
Aur Aapki Guftago Samgh say Balatar Hai, Kahin Intahi Durjay Ki Tanqid tou Kahin Bahaut hi Zaida Tarif.
Koi Sirr Pair Hai tou Wazahat o Balghat Kay Saath Biyan Farmiyae.
Kuch na samjhay Khuda kray koi
I do not understand why some bloggers are coming so hard on Zardari even some are using very crapy language. I am again asking please give a name who can take Zardari position.
At this point he is the only person who can lead the county. Do you think Nawaz Sharif can handle the situation? Or any other person.
Keep in mind that I am not a fan of Zardari.
thanks
Aftab
Adnan Ahmed Mansoori to mujhe Deobandiyon ka agent lagta hai
Deobandiyon kay baray main jitnay bhi comments hotay hain meri unn sab ko bhi yehi Adnan Ahmed Mansoori remove karvata hai admin kay saath saazish kar kay.
afisadi said: ……………….who can take Zardari position…………………. Since Childhood this has been listening =Dhondnay Saay Khuda(Jj) bhi Mil Jata Ha= You cannot find a single Sincere Leader in surroundings.
Nachiz Ki Rai Mein sirf Election ka Process chalnay dein Achay sincere leaders khud samnay ajien Gaay.
junaid sheikh:
Adnan Ahmed Mansoori to mujhe Deobandiyon ka agent lagta hai
Mujh ko yeh Passand Hai aur Woh bhi Acha Lagta Hai
Meri Yehi Chahat Hai – Meri Dil koWoh Bah Giaya Hai
Yeh Sub Aap Ko Mubarak Mujhay Kiya FurQ Parta Hai.
Once in a court room the very experienced Judge Passed the remarks:
“Mostly Disputes are created just because of Wrong Perceptions/Guess.”
junaid sheikh said:Deobandiyon kay baray main jitnay bhi comments hotay hain meri unn sab ko bhi yehi Adnan Ahmed Mansoori remove karvata hai admin kay saath saazish kar kay.=====xxxxxxx======
Lou Bhaiya ADMIN aap ko Sazish ka Hisa Dar Bana Kaiysa Laga!?
Yaqeen Karien Gay Junaid Sb. Dua Mustaqbil ki yehi hai Sirf Agar Panch Waqt ki Namaz Jamat Kay Saath Mil Jaay Chaay woh kisi bhi Maslak ki hou, woh din saab say aacha din hoga.
Jou Shaied Abhi Tak Mumkin Nahi Ho Saka, Baqi-Zindagi Bakhair.
As always mentioned – Mausi Kufar Hai.
Adnan Ahmed Mansoori sahab, agar yehi tofeek aap ko ho jaye kay aap Pakistan kay khilaaf larnay walay Taliban kay khilaaf bhi kuch bol sakain, or Pakistan ki riyasat ki taraf daari karain or President ko sirf iss liye bura na samjhain kyun keh wo aap ko zaati tor par napasand hai. To yeh bhi kaafi savaab ka kaam hai.
Lekin sirf apnay maslak kay logo ki taraf daari karna, chahay wo kitnay bhi galat kyun na hon, yeh bhi munasib baat nahin.
Umeed hai aap ko meri guzarish nagavaar nahin guzray gi.
Zardari we feel sharam to call you our president, do u feel that you are our president,
Why operation is going slow against monistors, we have 6 millions army, brilliant pilots brave commanders, so make it quick , clean TALIBANS GUNND ASAP.
WHEN OPERATION IS GOING SLOW, THEY MAY REGROUP , DONT GIVE THEM ANY BREATH, KILL TALIBAN’S BATIL ASAP.
HAQ HAQ HOTA HAI BATIL KO MITNA HAI, these so called molivies, all of them mouchi, kasai, builders, etc kill kill just kill their fitna, so all of their aggas USA, KSA, INDIA, ISRAEL SHOULD BE CUT TO THEIR LIMITS
hmmmmm
so 1:00 o’clock in the night….
how dumb can one be to do a speach at such time…
may be rehman malik and zardari kept making corrections to spellings ….
how many i’s did they put in Pakistan….
ok so the President has told the people that the army is fighting a war…. atleast after more than a month now we know for sure…..
in the budget presented on june 13 there is a incease in the budget of armed forces and the salary of army personnel.
so on june 12 the president thought it necessary at 1 o’clock in the night to address the entire nation and give them a sneak peek in the budget….
so dumb….but dumb is a small word for him and his patners….. find a word that is 2.87 trillion times of dumb….
Once a thief always a thief …. this is his usual time guys …
Shame on You, Zardari the biggest thief!
It doesnt matter what he barks… The only thing what matters is “what he does…”
what he has been doing…………is absolutely idiotic… no initiative, no proactivity, illogical stupid absurd moves…..
On the other hand… his govt is lucky because of crises after crises media can not concentrate on the corruption which is going on in the country… me be he is creating these crises so that they can transfer enough money to the swiss banks…
but people like “democrack” still favor him…
junaid sheikh said:…………….Umeed hai aap ko meri guzarish nagavaar nahin guzray gi.
Junaid Sb. Between You & Me there is an Obvious Giant Size Difference Whenever I would state something this would be with BLACK & WHITE evidence on the other hand you would talk with assumptions/Guess only.
No even any single Verbal Proof or at the extent of to Be Provided Proof in future from your end.
Yeh tou Sara Sirr Aapki Ziaditi Hai.
this is not the time for speeches but work for the country, unfortunately our president is just sitting in the cosy comforts of islamabad and spend most of his time outside country to collect the booty he looted during last time in govt. most unfortunate that we have zardari dacoit as president at this crucial time, he and his gang including half dozen most corrupt people we can imagine are doing only businesses in president house, making billions of dollars, stories of his corruption are abound in islamabad, real leadership of ppp has gone in the back and his unelected mushirs are the one running the guns, this time he knows that there is no bb so he is making real money and will run before he will be arrested again.
The existential threat to Taliban and extremist forces is from current regime.PPP is standing in front to lead the war against these extremist forces.One can find faults in PPP but its very obvious that its only party which is steering the nation towards Progressivisim and against Talibanism.Taliban lovers are so much in pain and fury that they use all sorts if language to down play the character of PPP leaders but This time,they should know that majority of nation is supporting this operation against Extermist forces.Great work by President Zardari and PPP.
As I mentioned various time in my previous comments,other parties are not that much open to challenge extremists.I repeat again..PMLN…only few comments for news papers but if you hear Ch.Nisar,Saad Rafiq and many others,they are against operation and keep very soft corner poor extremists.LHR is under constant attack and PLN cant avert these attacks in one city then question is.. if they cant protect one main hold city..how they can protect whole Pakistan??? and even all these attacks,where is on ground strategy and open challenge to extremist??? Why are feeling suffice to give media statements only on such attacks..what is their role in Punjab???? CM SB is responsible for law n order in Punjab..aint he??
As I said about PTI and JI..pro extremist parties,their role is shameful.
Majority of PPP haters are extremist ppl who feel that the biggest threat to them is PPP,not any other PARTY thats why they use abusive words and propaganda against PPP and leadership.
While others who dont like PPP but believe in democracy and progressive Pakistan,then I ask simple question,Democracy runs on mandate and if PPP has mandate and they showed it in Assembly to elect PM and President then respect the mandate and wait for next election.If you want to vote out PPP through democratic means,Its the democratic process but dont stand by with extremist to blame PPP for every thing.
Thanks
Kabhi Kabhi meray dil mein khayal aata hai!
Kabhi Kabhi meray dil mein khayal aata hai!
Keh Nawaz Sharif jab prime minister tha to uss ka president Rafiq Tarar aik deobandi thaa.
Kabhi kabhi meray dil mein khayal aata hai!
Kabhi kabhi meray dil mein khayal aata hai!
Kay PML (Q) kay Chaudhry Parvez Elahi or Chaudhry Shujaat Hussain, jo kay dono kay dono Deobandi hain, Nawaz Sharif kay right hand man thay.
Kabhi kabhi meray dil mein khayal aata hai!
Kabhi Kabhi meray dil mein khayal aata hai!
Kay Chaudhry Nisar or Khwaja Saad Rafique kyun baar baar Taliban ki himayat kartay hain or military operation ki mukhalfat kartay hain.
Koi hai jo mujhe samjha sakay?
Mir Musaf,
You said it man. PPP is the last hope for this country while others are plying politics specifically PML(N) is not clear what it should support. As a matter of fact PML(N) is a group of people with no ideology except with Bhutto Dushamsi as a common factor. This group initially consisted of NS SS, Ejaz ul Haq, Raja Basharat, Haneed Abbasi, Ahsan Iqbal, Ch Shujaat, Ch Nisar, KSR, Javed Hashmi, Pervaiz Ellahi, Sh. Rasheed, Raza Kasuri etc etc. What is common between them except Bhutto Dushmani.
How many Bhuttos will you kill, there will be a Bhutto coming out of each home.
@Junaid Shaikh,
Good Ghazal indeed
Your Ghazal carries imp facts and Big questions to some so called popular parties!!
@Mir Munsif
The existential threat to Pakistan is culmination of a lot of bad decision through out the history of Pakistan. It is not any one single person/party’s fault. Every one had his/her share in it and mostly the awam of Pakistan is responsible for the devastation they are facing today, people like you me and countless other souls who have left the thought of a collective Pakistan in distinct past and are progressing towards the ultimate division. God forbid that happens but it is clear that even us among each other wants this.
Zardari is another step towards that dungeon and destruction. We have been progressively loosing the self respect and dignity and now standing on a point were for us these words are mere words with no meanings. For us , in this moment of crisis person of a chareter as dubious and dark as Zardari , has become the only hope of salvation. It is a fact that Zardari is scum of the earth, he has no sense of morality, no intelect and no dignity what so ever but all these traits are still acceptable for us because for us the meaning of these words have lost other wise how could a wise person like you or tahir mahmood could say or mean it when we all know what he really is.
By the logic of accepting Zardari as our president we should also accept that the standards of morality set by the thousands of years of human life on this earth doesnot have any considerable value for us. The virtues of humanity (truth, selflessness, honor, piety, gaurding of the words given to other, gaurding ot the promises made to other etc) taught to us and practically implemented and documented by our forefathers in distinct past does not apply to us today and should not be pursued today, hence our acceptance of the likes of Zardari, Rehman Malik, Altaf Hussain and to certain extent Leadership of PMLN.
These virtues of humanity are the common traits, qualities of the greatest leaders of the world who have left their mark on the face of history and most importantly in human hearts that they rule and command, since we do accept this view then we should also accept we donot desire people who have these traits as well.
It is not Zardari`s fault what is happening to Pakistan, he does what his nature commands and we follow because his action provides us with the personal gains regardless of the fact that they are entirely aganist the virtues of humanity and the true principles written in the Quran.
So there is really no point to blame Zardari and PPP NOT because they are any good or what they are doing is good, no definitely not, they are the worst possible group of people that could rule a country, BUT because we have accepted it as our norm and they fit our level and understanding of morality.
SO what is the solution
who could take his place
who could rule this wretched land cursed by Allah
THAT ONE PERSON WHO WILL UNDERSTAND AND ACCEPT the true meanings of these virtues and refuse to compromise on them. every nation gets one and it only takes one.
Utopia?
I dont think so
bravo man zardari chaa gaya ha
appreciate him guys
dont do politics at this moment
i strongly opposed ppps policies but now my opinion is changing about them
pakistan zindabad..
@junaid sheikh
A poor attempt, certainly not too good to be posted twice in different threads.
Besides this is not a war between Deobandis and Brailvis
Main aik baat bohot ehtraam kay saath apnay unn deobandi bhaiyon ki khidmat main paish kar doon jo Khud Kush hamlo ki muzammat to kartay hain lekin khud kush hamla karnay walay Taliban ki himayat kartay hain.
Chori ko bura kehna or chor ki tareef karna, yeh aqal say baala tar baat hai.
Main hargiz nahin chahta kay pakistan main Barelvi or Deobandiyon ki jung ho. Pakistan kay aam log, chahay wo deobandi hon ya barelvi ya kisi or muslak ya mazhab kay wo Pakistan say bohot muhabbat kartay hain.
Main sirf unn deobandiyon ki muzammat karta hoon, jo Taliban ki himayat kartay hain yeh jantay huvay bhi kay yeh Taliban khullay dushman hain Pakistan kay.
Main iss nonsense ko kabool karnay kay liye tayyar nahin kay Taliban aam logo ko or Dr Sarfraz Naeemi jaisay logo ko sirf iss liye khud kush hamlo main maar rahay hain kyun keh Taliban kay khayal main Pakistan America ka saath day raha hai.
Yeh bahana ab Pakistan mein koi tasleem nahin karnay wala.
@geelemitti
One sided analysis by you.You gave all A to Z blames on PPP and President AZ.
Point 1. If we really believe in democracy and wants democratic system for Pakistan then we should respect it.ppl have given mandate and PPP successfully managed to elect PM and President.PPP has not grabbed power like Military junta but won through genuine process.If you and other so called true pakistanis have any grudge against PPP,wait ur turn and vote out PPP and this is fair way.You reject PPP next time.This is how democracy functions.So in ur hate,u dont want to consider him President,its ur choice,no body listens to you.He is President now.
Point 2.On what account you blame zardari for every thing bad to Pakistan?? Is he convicted by any court??Inspite of all efforts,neither NS Govt nor Military ones prove a single case??? Life long imprisonment is for 10 years and he spent there without any conviction for 11 years.Chairman NRB Saif ur rehman publicly stated that those were false cases.How judges gave the verdict..dont forget the Tape record produced which shows that then Punjab High court Judge Malik Qayaoom and Ihtsaab bureau head was talking about getting AZ convicted??? Establishment always used propaganda against Bhutto family and brain washed ppl against them.But on ground,there are not significant charges.All fabricated cases never proved,cases got lingering and lingering.You can argue and have difference PPP and AZ but you have No right to make any personal attacks.
Point 3. On current turmoil,which party is publicy challenging extremist forces.?? Its PPP my brother.I know,PPP may not be sacred cow but in this time all other parties are turing deaf ear to issue.LHR is under constant attacks,but not single bold step by PMLN and you can hear top leadership like Ch.Nisar,Saad rafiq openly denoucing any operation against Taliban and NS and SB gives only lip service statements.Country is buring but they are not inclined to give a clear signal to ppl against Taliban/extremists.They even cant manage to protect attacks in LHR and I am sure if there might be PPP in Punjab then you may listen cries of u ppl that PPP should resign..PPP cant protect ppl..now if u have courage and sensibility..make same demand from PMLN ppl.
Point4.If you talk about unity in country then PPP is one of largest federal party .since strength of Pakistan lies in federal parties because they unite ppl under one umbrella.
Typical jiyalas are back
These jiyalas dont talk about performance of the Govt but keep saying typical sologans
Bhutto Dushmani
Democracy is best revenge
Kitnay bhutto maro gay
Grow up……… and talk about the performance what this Govt has done for load shedding ? Industry ? Economy ? Security ? Drone Attacks ?……………………..
yusafkhan said:
“I agree – I dont particularly like Zardari but today he was addressing the nation as the President of Pakistan and we should respect that office.”
Khoga rora, no one should have the problem in respecting the office of the president, however, it is Zardari himself that has disrespected the office of the President of Pakistan. Remember his appearance with the 3rd level State Department Official, Buldozer, Halbrook a few days back. What was presidential about that? Respect, unfortunately or fortunately, is something to be earned and can not be bestowed by us mortals.
@Asim Sattar,
I repeat the same for you.High light performance and criticize program of PPP but don’t be personal or make personal attacks.You ppl also don’t have any other point except to bash and use hate language against PPP leadership.In any democratic set up,ppl do criticize govt prgs and oppose it but they accept their President/PM as their own.But here in our side,ppl use all sort of dirty language against PPP leadership.
Now coming to issues.
1.Loadshedding: Now the light u get in metropolitian cities is from APIs the ones PPP signed during their term.No new Electricity plant established during PMLN second term nor during Military regime of Mushraf.So you better ask them first but dont remember,Electricity plants gets some time.The Govt have signed Wind Energy plants with Turkey and other govt.Thar coal Electricity plant is near to start.It will take time but this again in PPP’s intiative after 96 that they work for bringing light in ur homes.Give some times,you will feel the difference.
2. Economy: Mushraf’s bubble economy was just slogan but there was huge economical crisis when Mush left.Now you see,Friends of Pakistan and US Aid,Italy waived off loans and European Union accpted to allow some help to entry of Pakistani products in Euro zone.Agricultural targets for year 2008/2009 achieved.Military operation is going in Swat and there is hufe chaos but inspite of it ..we are Moving.Dont think that President AZ and PPP have any magic ring to solve decades of economical crisis in one year.Be realistic!!
3.Security: Due to Double games of Mushraf,Taliban got more strength and now Taliban are so strong that they are attacking every city.Their outreach is too high.Other Parties are turning deaf ear to come clear against Talibans.Its PPP however who is steering the operation to eradicate talibanism,the worst security challenge.
4.Drone Attacks: It started during Mush era,even currently President’s visit,this was highlighted.But dont think it that Govt will start a new war with USA because of few extremist’s aspires soo.This issue be dealt as per requirement.
Hope u open ur eyes and grow up too and see the difference.because ur eyes are closed by hate and fury.
@junaid sheikh said,
“Main aik baat bohot ehtraam kay saath apnay unn deobandi bhaiyon ki khidmat main paish kar doon jo Khud Kush hamlo ki muzammat to kartay hain lekin khud kush hamla karnay walay Taliban ki himayat kartay hain.”
Please have some cognizance of recent past before just jumping the sectarian gun. Remember all those ulema on the deobandi side who got killed by the same people in NWFP and FATA but which were not as widely projected and published about. REMEMBER, MOLANA HASSAN JAN, who was the first one to give a FATWA against suicide bombing and denounced Lal Masjid cleric’s efforts to run a parallel state. Add to the list a considerable number of ulema in FATA who were killed along with the tribal leaders who crossed the militants path to control. These people were killed while the state of Pakistan stood by and did nothing.
I have the utmost respect for all who stood up and some sacrificed with their lives against the menace of suicide bombing and militancy. The people who are confronting the militants on the ideological front are the “real resistance”.
@Mir Munsif
Thanks for your answer but you have missed the whole point of my argument.
“If we really believe in democracy and wants democratic system for Pakistan then we should respect it..”
What i was trying to say in my previous post was that our understanding of words like democracy, justice, peace and honor has taken completely opposite meaning to what has been universally accepted. True PP has won mandate and they have choosen their respective leaders , no doubt about it but their choice is reflective of their moral groundings. We dont have to go very far back in time, his attitude and denial of the promises that he made before the elections after becmoing president is enough to show the true charecter of his personality. There are simply too much wrong about his personlity that his choice as presedential candidate should never be made at first place. Only reason he was able to become president at first place was because of NRO and that is why he will never repeal that till he has his man in supreme court of Pakistan. If he KNOWS what democracy is they why has he not returned the powers to the true representative of Nation, ie Prime minister of Pakistan when constitution of Pakistan doesnot allow Presidents to have such powers. Why after so long the constitution is not restored to the 1973 state?
Why did people have to go to the extent of LONG MARCH to get chief justice restored why was he not restored earlier to his legal place and stature?
WHy there hasnot been any enquiry of his wife’s death in Pakistan by independent investigators. I dont think that there even exists and FIR for this matter. It was only his wife’s death and the sympathies of people to her that he was able to climb the ledder. to me it seems like a trait suited for a vulture.
Just too many “whys” my friend
and as for his conviction is concern , he and his wife was convicted in 2003 by swiss court in the case of laudering kickbacks.
and as for his mental capability is concerned did he not himself submitted the report from
US doctors about him being a patient of dementia, depression and post traumic stress disorder just to delay the rulings against himÉ . how convenient it is that now he is recovered from those illnesses.
Point , my friend is , List against him is too long for you or any other person to justify.
I was talking about the collective mental attitude and was trying to explain that in terms of one particular person .
He was looking like “Zia Muhayuddien” reading poetry from Mirza Galib rather than president of pakistan
@geelemitti
Thanks for enlightening us with ur ‘super ideas’.You have so many whys but I have just simple questions to you.Which court has convicted him? Remember..No case proved in the court of law.Which one leader has remained in prison for 11 years and not sold out??Please present Dr report abt President Zardari as proof to ur statements,otherwise,dont give ear to propagandas and ill-information because to a quote : “Ill-information is biggest dilemma for any society”.
Inspite of zero proof and only blames based on propaganda and hate campaign,one cant be termed as ZERO?? Please talk abt facts not abt baseless propaganda.
Thanks
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