Probably you are living in a different world.

Maulana Hassan jan was killed after he declared suicide bombing is Haram in Islam. So he really condemned what taliban are doing which is suicide bombing. Do you remember what happened on his Jinaza when JUI chief minister came to his Jinaza? Shoes were thrown at him.

You have put following conditions ‘renowned ‘ and ‘Pakistani’ Alim. It clearly shows your intentions that you will declare any deobandi Alim’s opposing taliban as either ‘non-renowned’ or ‘non-Pakistani’. Why don’t you simply accept the fact that Taliban are being condenmned by even Deobandi.

Now here too you are in denial although the truth is in front of you. JUI / JI / PTI has stated several times that they oppose taliban actions. They said that rit of the government should be restored and Constitution of Pakistan should be held supreme.

They have stated several times that they disagree with taliban approach /philosophy. They have condemed tons of times taliban specific actions like bombing of PC hotel, bombing of schools etc. Still if u deny I pray that God gives you Hidaya and shows u the true path. We can only pray for you rest is upto ALLAH. Its true that

“”Whomever Allah guides, no one can misguide, and whomever Allah misguides, no one can guide.”

Qran clearly says in Sorah baqra 10-11

(وَإِذَا قِيلَ لَهُمْ لاَ تُفْسِدُواْ فِي الأَرْضِ قَالُواْ إِنَّمَا نَحْنُ مُصْلِحُونَ (2:11

And when they are told, “Do not spread Fasad (mischief) on earth,” they answer, “We are but improving things!”

(أَلا إِنَّهُمْ هُمُ الْمُفْسِدُونَ وَلَـكِن لاَّ يَشْعُرُونَ (2:12
Oh, verily, it is they, they who are spreading Fasaad (mischief) but they perceive it not.

Taliban perceive that they do not spread Fasad (mischief) as mentioned in Quran but they are clearly spreading Fasad in entire Pakistan as all people without blindness can see. Lets pray that Allah gives them Hadayah.

Regards
Zain

“What I understand you are either Deobandi or Wahabi if not at least you are somehow inspired by their beliefs !”

Your this statement can be true of almost every Muslim. Every person inspires from anyone. So its not objectionable.

The main thing is to believe in Quran and Sahi Hadees, either it is narrated by a Wahabi Aalim,Deobandi Aalim,Shia Aalim or anyother one. If his words are true and authentic with respect to Quran and Sahi hadees, he is true and that is my religion.

It is quite clear from daily basis evidences and (history as well) that people fighting in Pakistan are not Afghan Taliban. It never make sense as well. You will appreciate that it is beyond the logic that Afghan Taliban have enemy in their own country to fight with, and they move to Pakistan without any proper setup (as in Afghanistan).

Read out the comments from US officers. They are now openly saying that they are not winning in Afghanistan and still there are provinces where Taliban are becoming stronger than before. Why they will come to Pakistan?

“Straight forward, my religion is based upon Quran and Sahi Ahadees.”

Unfortunately each and every sect of Islam claims that their sect is actually based on Quran and Sunnah/Ahadees, whereas other sects are deviations !

Now after reading your replies to Mullah Omar’s questions it is crystal clear that

1- You are not Shi’a as you don’t participate in majlis/jaloos and you you don’t take sides of fueding sahabas !
2- You are not Brelvi sunni as you don’t participate in milads and are not willing to condemn Yazid !

What I understand you are either Deobandi or Wahabi if not at least you are somehow inspired by their beliefs !
Moreover there is another reason why I consider you a deobandi/wahabi and that is your thoughts about Afghani Taliban and your (failed) effort to distinguish them from Pakistani Taliban !

Perhaps you are saying right… If nobody want to come towards the platform of logical thinking, authentic evidences and clear examples then nothing can change his mind.

But…here my point of thinking is to provide the initiation to listen the other point of view. It our duty to spread out even a little bit of knowledge if we have. For that, if we are wrong, somebody else will correct us or otherwise.

I am a silent reader/viewer of this site and post very much less but here I decide to talk with brother Mullah Omar on his point of views for sharing.

Obviously, if the participant of any debate are insisting on their points without any authentic reasons, then it will be useless.

May Allah show the right most path and bless us with the teaching of Islam. Ameen.

@Bloodmoney: I invite you not to argue with someone who imitates others i.e., imposters. You effort will go in vain talking to those who don’t have the capacity of rational thinking

Dua go,
Hariskhan

You are trying to compare two basic sects of Islam. Sunni and Shia. And it is clearly known that “All Sunnis are not Deobandis, usually they divided into Barailvis, Deobandis and Salafi (Ahle – Hadees) and some minors”.

Straight forward, my religion is based upon Quran and Sahi Ahadees.

However, I would like to answer your questions. But mind it, I will have the right to ask the answers from you as well

1. I use to offer my prayers as the method of Prophet Muhammad s.a.w, told by Sahi Ahadees (http://www.islam-qa.com/ur/ref/13340)

2. It is not the matter of Eemaan to decide about the right hand side of Jang e Jaml for us. They were those people who passed away. Their acts are with them and we were obviously not responsible for any of their act. The main thing is to recognize and accept their levels, honor and awards. Every Sahabi r.a has its own place of honor in the heart of Muslims. Can you decide who is wrong and right if your parents fights with each other on some matter ?

3. Same as above. I would like to say clearly, if you will study the Islamic history without any insist, you will found that these battles were because of political (power sharing) issues, not Islamic issues.

4. Same as above. http://www.islam-qa.com/ur/ref/14007

5. I never go to majlis

6. I never participate in milaads etc

7. Caliphs were right, there is no doubt in that hierarchy.

Last…. I will try my best inshahallah to find out an authentic resource of Mullah Omar’s (from Afghanistan) negation about TTP.

“I am not a Deobani. I am a Muslim (the name which is mentioned in Quran and its the religion of Ibrahim a.s) and my effort is always to follow the Quran and authentic Ahadith … Alhamdulilah !!!. By the way, I can have a long debate with you on Deobandi sect”
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Hmmm so you are not deobandi !
You are a Muslim, Okay tell me

1- Do you offer prayers with folded hands like deobandis or you left your hand open like shias do ?
2- Whom do you think right in Battle of Jamal ? Hazarat Ali or Ammi Aisha ?
3- Whom do you think was right in Battle of Sifeen ? Hazarat Ali or Hazarat Ameer Moawaiya ?
4- Whom do you think was right ? Hazarat Yazid or Hazarat Hussain ?
5- Do you participate in majlis/jaloos of shias ?
6- Do you participate in milaads/jaloos in rabi-ul-awal ?
7- Do you think Hazarat Abu Baker, Hazarat Umer Farooq, Hazarat Usman Ghani were not righ caliphs ?

You further said
“Tehreek e Taliban e Pakistan….The first day when Bait Ullah announced this party, Mullah Omar from Afghanistan clearly rejected the statement that TTP is attached with Taliban e Afghanistan. It is on record.”
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Please give me the reference of this claim as I have never heard that !

I am not a Deobani. I am a Muslim (the name which is mentioned in Quran and its the religion of Ibrahim a.s) and my effort is always to follow the Quran and authentic Ahadith … Alhamdulilah !!!. By the way, I can have a long debate with you on Deobandi sect.

Anyway….!
Tehreek e Taliban e Pakistan….The first day when Bait Ullah announced this party, Mullah Omar from Afghanistan clearly rejected the statement that TTP is attached with Taliban e Afghanistan. It is on record.

Can you please let me know that which Deobandi fatwah or Islamic thought allows anyone to do “jihad” in Pakistan. Pakistan is a Muslim country, and by Sahi Hadith, it is restricted to fight with Muslim.

Are you people deny that Pakistanis are Muslims?

Taliban ideology was right just because of their action in Afghanistan they did against the un-islamic society and environment. They are doing right by fighting the enemy who is the attacker.

What about Pakistan? Pakistan is not the case same as Afghanistan. Same Fatwah and law cannot be true for different cases of jihad and environment. Islamic history have valid, clear and authentic arguments on it.

Brother, you are a deobandi and i’m glad to hear that !
You have praised Talibans of Afghanistan, bro you need to understand that there is no difference in Afghani and Pakistani Talibans !
All Talibans are united under the leadership of Ameer-ul-Momineen Hazarat Mullah Umer !

“The name you mentioned are very high profile ulmah. But can you give any one statement from these people where they negate the fatwah of Indian Deoband? ”

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Could you please show me any fatwah from those Ulma-e-Deoband Pakistan in which Taliban’s ideology or actions have been termed as un-islamic !

Your words are canceling their own means. Contradictory statements you are giving.

Statement 1:
“The system of beliefs preached by Ulema-e-Haq of Deoband is the same preached by the Holy Prophet and practiced by the Sahaba and now enforced by Taliban Mujahadeen !
The reason for choosing a different name is to distinguish ourselves from false beliefs !”

Statement 2:
“Now come to Daul Ulum Deoband’s fatwa, you need to understand that Ulma of Deoband in India issued that fatwa under pressure from Indian government !
India is a Kaafir country and due to different circumstances we are not bound to accept every fatwa issued by Deoband of India !”

Question is:

If this system of Deobandis is the same as the system of Holy Prophet s.a.w and Sahabah r.a, then why the fatawah are different from India and Pakistan?
Would you like to give any example where Holy Prophet s.a.w didnt accept the action or statement from Makkis Muslims (as they were under a kafir government) or Did they divide a nation into two different groups on government base/location base/Situation base or any base ?

Then how you can divide?

I am not talking about the Taliban actions in Afghanistan (we can obviously say that they were/are doing right in Afghanistan and sorry to say, Taliban is not the army of Deoband!”

The name you mentioned are very high profile ulmah. But can you give any one statement from these people where they negate the fatwah of Indian Deoband?

Most of them or their teachers learned from Indian Deoband. Can you negate it?

I can personally (I am only a student of Islam and history) give you many statement/fatwah of Deoband which are contradict with the Sahi Ahadith.

Taliban e Afghanistan are correct in their action as the enemy was on head and they have to fight against illegal actions. But if you will say that it will all because of Deoband teachings, I am sorry to say, you are obviously wrong when you are saying that only this system of Deoband is the only one who have the true path of Islam….!!!