Comments on: Vandalism by Pak Army Officers http://pkpolitics.com/2009/07/11/vandalism-by-pak-army-officers/ Fri, 10 Feb 2012 09:20:16 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2 By: civilian http://pkpolitics.com/2009/07/11/vandalism-by-pak-army-officers/#comment-250742 civilian Sun, 30 Aug 2009 17:07:14 +0000 http://pkpolitics.com/?p=10838#comment-250742 Biased criticism is never healthy. They guy must have done some mischief, why would you think someone would beat him up that easily? and no one comes forward to save him? and at a time when Pakistan Army personnel know that their every action is being monitored by media. This is hogwash. Really. Biased criticism is never healthy. They guy must have done some mischief, why would you think someone would beat him up that easily? and no one comes forward to save him? and at a time when Pakistan Army personnel know that their every action is being monitored by media. This is hogwash. Really.

]]> By: Engr_Ali http://pkpolitics.com/2009/07/11/vandalism-by-pak-army-officers/#comment-248236 Engr_Ali Sat, 22 Aug 2009 14:55:59 +0000 http://pkpolitics.com/?p=10838#comment-248236 @Pakistan1947 I apologize for my earlier comments... Actually i belong to NWFP and the way our people are slaughtered and that is termed as collateral damage is very disturbing for me... Obviously you are not at fault because you dont make the policies.. you are a soldier following orders and that is your duty... I hope the sacrifices by the army soldiers and our civilians would not go in vain INSHALLAH and we would be able to resolve the threat of TTP... I apologize once again.. @Pakistan1947

I apologize for my earlier comments… Actually i belong to NWFP and the way our people are slaughtered and that is termed as collateral damage is very disturbing for me…

Obviously you are not at fault because you dont make the policies.. you are a soldier following orders and that is your duty…

I hope the sacrifices by the army soldiers and our civilians would not go in vain INSHALLAH and we would be able to resolve the threat of TTP…

I apologize once again..

]]> By: Engr_Ali http://pkpolitics.com/2009/07/11/vandalism-by-pak-army-officers/#comment-245660 Engr_Ali Sat, 15 Aug 2009 16:03:30 +0000 http://pkpolitics.com/?p=10838#comment-245660 @Pakistan1947 I forgot to mention the turmoil the people of swat had to go through recently... it wasnt just the army who has suffered, the civilians were the first one's to get slaughtered at the hands of taliban and their women taken away forceably...the exodus of the people of swat was mainly because a lot of them were getting killed in the army operation... To defend them against the monster that you created was your ethical and moral responsibility i think and that is why you are paid.. If still some of the army calls them the "Bloody Civilians" then please stop using the 70% budget and leave the army... and also before calling a civilian a bloody civilian, think about everyone in your family.. not everyone in your family belongs to the army..... I am sorry mate but i dont go by word of mouth... what has happened to our people in fata and other parts of nwfp, i cannot forget that and to a large extent the army has been responsible in causing most of the casualties.. we have suffered both from the taliban and the army... so if you have been disabled, think about all those women, children and men who were civilians and had to suffer... dont be selfish in this regard... I dont want to specifically mention the deaths of the dear ones and i dont want to go into those bitter details so i shall end the note here.... May Pakistan live longer...INSHALLAH @Pakistan1947

I forgot to mention the turmoil the people of swat had to go through recently… it wasnt just the army who has suffered, the civilians were the first one’s to get slaughtered at the hands of taliban and their women taken away forceably…the exodus of the people of swat was mainly because a lot of them were getting killed in the army operation…

To defend them against the monster that you created was your ethical and moral responsibility i think and that is why you are paid.. If still some of the army calls them the “Bloody Civilians” then please stop using the 70% budget and leave the army… and also before calling a civilian a bloody civilian, think about everyone in your family.. not everyone in your family belongs to the army…..

I am sorry mate but i dont go by word of mouth… what has happened to our people in fata and other parts of nwfp, i cannot forget that and to a large extent the army has been responsible in causing most of the casualties.. we have suffered both from the taliban and the army… so if you have been disabled, think about all those women, children and men who were civilians and had to suffer… dont be selfish in this regard… I dont want to specifically mention the deaths of the dear ones and i dont want to go into those bitter details so i shall end the note here….

May Pakistan live longer…INSHALLAH

]]> By: Engr_Ali http://pkpolitics.com/2009/07/11/vandalism-by-pak-army-officers/#comment-245658 Engr_Ali Sat, 15 Aug 2009 15:54:00 +0000 http://pkpolitics.com/?p=10838#comment-245658 @Pakistani1947 Let me give an answer to the points raised by you step by step and i hope you shall comprehend what i mean and next time be more factual and realistic when replying 1. About the term Bloody Civilians, If you dont know about it, then i have serious doubts that you have served in the army. One of my best friend and school mate was selected for air force and after going through the rigorous training and spending two years, we got to see him. While we were going somewhere and he was driving, he used this term to someone who was not driving according to rules. This was the first time we heard him saying this. Now dont tell me it was a co-incidence. I have served in an institution with the Pak army and i know how the discrimination was done with us civilians. Next time if you reply ill give you details about my personal experiences which are many. 2. "Whoever gets power gets badmash??" what kind of a logic is it to backup your generals? Who was general Yahya, have you ever heard of him? who was backing him up when he ruled Pakistan? where does the source of power for any general who violates the constituion comes from? 3. "Taliban were not created by the army" ... i am not sure which world you live in .. your generals including hamid gul has admitted it time and time again that with the help of cia and us $$$ 's the isi was involved in raising the talibans and also most of the groups operating in kashmir..Please be realistic and dont give stupid reasons which no one would buy.. 4. Of course, Beaurocrates, army, politicians, journalists... this is the elite of our country and has left the ordinary middle class and poor to rott... how many middle class civil servants gets the plots in posh areas..?... 5. Every country has an army.. and every army has a character and a reputation... sadly like most of the third world countries our army has tarnished its reputation by supporting its generals and taking over the country and violating the constitution... 6. I have worked with the indians too... they are no doubt more patriotic then us because they didnt have ayub khan, general yahya, general zia and general musharraf to interfere and rule them.. To sum up everything...i am against the corrupt politicians i dont trust any of them and neither do i trust the generals... If you had to fight against the taliban, that was clearing up your own mess...Army has no doubt an important role to play in defending the country but if our army keeps on interfering with the internal affairs and violates the constitution, then i must say that it has also been equally destructive like the politicians Please dont defend the army interference by giving me illogical arguments like "when the politicians are incompetant and the country is at stake only then the army takes over"..If the politicians are incompetant, which they obviously are, then does that make the army competant to rule the country? their job is to take over .. carry out the elections again if pakistan is really in trouble, and then go back to barracks.. Our country needs a revolution in getting rid of the elite which has eaten us up.. whether it be the politicians or the journalists or the army elite... the army needs to be in the barracks and defend the country which is its role and then no one would point fingers at you.... but if you blindly deny the allegations with your naive arguments then keep on doing it... it wont change a thing... next time be more factual and realistic and i can give you alot more reasons..if you are ready to contemplate and do some introspection it would benefit you more... @Pakistani1947

Let me give an answer to the points raised by you step by step and i hope you shall comprehend what i mean and next time be more factual and realistic when replying

1. About the term Bloody Civilians, If you dont know about it, then i have serious doubts that you have served in the army. One of my best friend and school mate was selected for air force and after going through the rigorous training and spending two years, we got to see him. While we were going somewhere and he was driving, he used this term to someone who was not driving according to rules. This was the first time we heard him saying this. Now dont tell me it was a co-incidence. I have served in an institution with the Pak army and i know how the discrimination was done with us civilians. Next time if you reply ill give you details about my personal experiences which are many.

2. “Whoever gets power gets badmash??” what kind of a logic is it to backup your generals? Who was general Yahya, have you ever heard of him? who was backing him up when he ruled Pakistan? where does the source of power for any general who violates the constituion comes from?

3. “Taliban were not created by the army” … i am not sure which world you live in .. your generals including hamid gul has admitted it time and time again that with the help of cia and us $$$ ‘s the isi was involved in raising the talibans and also most of the groups operating in kashmir..Please be realistic and dont give stupid reasons which no one would buy..

4. Of course, Beaurocrates, army, politicians, journalists… this is the elite of our country and has left the ordinary middle class and poor to rott… how many middle class civil servants gets the plots in posh areas..?…

5. Every country has an army.. and every army has a character and a reputation… sadly like most of the third world countries our army has tarnished its reputation by supporting its generals and taking over the country and violating the constitution…

6. I have worked with the indians too… they are no doubt more patriotic then us because they didnt have ayub khan, general yahya, general zia and general musharraf to interfere and rule them..

To sum up everything…i am against the corrupt politicians i dont trust any of them and neither do i trust the generals… If you had to fight against the taliban, that was clearing up your own mess…Army has no doubt an important role to play in defending the country but if our army keeps on interfering with the internal affairs and violates the constitution, then i must say that it has also been equally destructive like the politicians

Please dont defend the army interference by giving me illogical arguments like “when the politicians are incompetant and the country is at stake only then the army takes over”..If the politicians are incompetant, which they obviously are, then does that make the army competant to rule the country? their job is to take over .. carry out the elections again if pakistan is really in trouble, and then go back to barracks..

Our country needs a revolution in getting rid of the elite which has eaten us up.. whether it be the politicians or the journalists or the army elite… the army needs to be in the barracks and defend the country which is its role and then no one would point fingers at you…. but if you blindly deny the allegations with your naive arguments then keep on doing it… it wont change a thing… next time be more factual and realistic and i can give you alot more reasons..if you are ready to contemplate and do some introspection it would benefit you more…

]]> By: pakistani1947 http://pkpolitics.com/2009/07/11/vandalism-by-pak-army-officers/#comment-244553 pakistani1947 Tue, 11 Aug 2009 16:27:41 +0000 http://pkpolitics.com/?p=10838#comment-244553 I have few observations , please contradict them like a gentlemen , not like an ignorant, sarcastic and disrespectful person like most of the people showed there mentality in the comments above :- 1. I have served 16 years in Pak Army , i never heard the so called terminology " Bloody civilian" from any of the army officer , its always a Honorable civilian who utter these words. 2. As far as vandalism is concerned , its our national trait , who so ever gets power he becoms badmash so dont blame only army. no army officer beats anyone without reason because it has very serious consequences on his profile , even a small observation can ruin his career.and if he is prosecuted other then military courts i think it will take years to decide his fate. 3. Talibans were not created by army , it was Mohtarma Benazir bhutto who sent Naseer ullah babar to afghanistan to strike a deal with mullah omar , to get a safe passage for trade with central asian states, and in return ensure them support both militarily and financially .More over for the information of all the ignorant people the pakistani Talibs have nothing to do with the Afghans , they are funded by indians and all those forces who wants to destablise Pakistan , so that they can have control over nuclear arsenal. 4. About the reservations on plots, You should know that an army officer gets a plot after 15 years of service , the service which an ordinary person cannot perform , i would ask how many out of u can remain away from home under the threat to your life , your families your mothers, sisters and little kids live in the constant agony of the fear of loosing you. have any one ever checked how many plots a civil servant or politician gets in his life and at what rate? 5. Every country has its "Centre of Gravity" and when the centre of gravity is threatned it means the existance of the country is in danger, if some one can please tell me what is the centre of the gravity of pakistan???? please think over it and tell me if there is no Pak Army (GOOD OR BAD) will u able to defend pakistan??? 6. Ihave served out of Pakistan and worked with indians too, i must say they are more patriotic then the pakistanis because they will never speak bad of there country and its institutions, i dont know why we pakistanis are too good in critisizing and doing nothing . i have lot to say but i cannot concentrate much because i am a disabled man both physically and mentally , physically by the talibans and mentally by my fellow countrymen who gave me lot of motivational remarks , i bet if these remarks are heard by some army men he will surely think " for whom he is fighting and he will definately say "Bloody Civilians" I have few observations , please contradict them like a gentlemen , not like an ignorant, sarcastic and disrespectful person like most of the people showed there mentality in the comments above :-
1. I have served 16 years in Pak Army , i never heard the so called terminology ” Bloody civilian” from any of the army officer , its always a Honorable civilian who utter these words.
2. As far as vandalism is concerned , its our national trait , who so ever gets power he becoms badmash so dont blame only army. no army officer beats anyone without reason because it has very serious consequences on his profile , even a small observation can ruin his career.and if he is prosecuted other then military courts i think it will take years to decide his fate.

3. Talibans were not created by army , it was Mohtarma Benazir bhutto who sent Naseer ullah babar to afghanistan to strike a deal with mullah omar , to get a safe passage for trade with central asian states, and in return ensure them support both militarily and financially .More over for the information of all the ignorant people the pakistani Talibs have nothing to do with the Afghans , they are funded by indians and all those forces who wants to destablise Pakistan , so that they can have control over nuclear arsenal.

4. About the reservations on plots, You should know that an army officer gets a plot after 15 years of service , the service which an ordinary person cannot perform , i would ask how many out of u can remain away from home under the threat to your life , your families your mothers, sisters and little kids live in the constant agony of the fear of loosing you. have any one ever checked how many plots a civil servant or politician gets in his life and at what rate?

5. Every country has its “Centre of Gravity” and when the centre of gravity is threatned it means the existance of the country is in danger, if some one can please tell me what is the centre of the gravity of pakistan???? please think over it and tell me if there is no Pak Army (GOOD OR BAD) will u able to defend pakistan???

6. Ihave served out of Pakistan and worked with indians too, i must say they are more patriotic then the pakistanis because they will never speak bad of there country and its institutions, i dont know why we pakistanis are too good in critisizing and doing nothing .

i have lot to say but i cannot concentrate much because i am a disabled man both physically and mentally , physically by the talibans and mentally by my fellow countrymen who gave me lot of motivational remarks , i bet if these remarks are heard by some army men he will surely think ” for whom he is fighting and he will definately say “Bloody Civilians”

]]> By: bebus http://pkpolitics.com/2009/07/11/vandalism-by-pak-army-officers/#comment-241353 bebus Sat, 01 Aug 2009 15:54:02 +0000 http://pkpolitics.com/?p=10838#comment-241353 @agricultururalengineer ......Now a days it has become a fashion to curse the army...... It has also becme a fashion to curse America and, simultaneously, expect big chunk of $$$$$$ from them. @agricultururalengineer

……Now a days it has become a fashion to curse the army……

It has also becme a fashion to curse America and, simultaneously, expect big chunk of $$$$$$ from them.

]]> By: Engr_Ali http://pkpolitics.com/2009/07/11/vandalism-by-pak-army-officers/#comment-241342 Engr_Ali Sat, 01 Aug 2009 15:29:31 +0000 http://pkpolitics.com/?p=10838#comment-241342 @agriculturalengineer "..LONG LIVE PAKISTAN. LONG LIVE PAK ARMY." please dont give paradoxical statements.... either Pakistan will live long or the army.... @agriculturalengineer

“..LONG LIVE PAKISTAN. LONG LIVE PAK ARMY.”

please dont give paradoxical statements…. either Pakistan will live long or the army….

]]> By: Engr_Ali http://pkpolitics.com/2009/07/11/vandalism-by-pak-army-officers/#comment-241325 Engr_Ali Sat, 01 Aug 2009 15:01:37 +0000 http://pkpolitics.com/?p=10838#comment-241325 I think this website should also highlight the recent vandalism by the lawyers when they manhandled a policeman.... Indeed a shameful act....lawyers should behave more responsibly and try not to become a mafia like the journalists I think this website should also highlight the recent vandalism by the lawyers when they manhandled a policeman….

Indeed a shameful act….lawyers should behave more responsibly and try not to become a mafia like the journalists

]]> By: Engr_Ali http://pkpolitics.com/2009/07/11/vandalism-by-pak-army-officers/#comment-241290 Engr_Ali Sat, 01 Aug 2009 13:50:17 +0000 http://pkpolitics.com/?p=10838#comment-241290 @agriculturalengineer Yes i agree with your views.... army is the most pristine organization in Pakistan... They have proved time and again that they love its constitution e.g. General Ayub, General Yahya, Zia, Musharraf... and other supporting generals...Whenever a dictator came into power, the rest of the army supported them... But i think its also a conspiracy by the enemy... the taliban were also created by the enemy and the army never supported them... the army loves the civilians and calls them bloody civilians out of their love and passion... When Musharraf did an excellent job of running the country, they gave him the guard of honour.... Its also a misconception that army is above law... this rumour is spread by the enemies of Pakistan because you can put on trial any corrupt army officer..... Another rumour by the enemy is that army runs the affairs of the government indirectly... How is it possible? its actually Gilani and Zardari who are running the government... At the end everything against the army is a conspiracy and in order to show our support and love for the army, we should start thinking about guarding our borders because the army has done its job for 60 odd years... now they should take a break and focus on housing schemes like DHA and maybe start taking over the most posh areas of Pakistan...After all, we are Pakistanis as well... My tribute to the Pakistan Army @agriculturalengineer

Yes i agree with your views…. army is the most pristine organization in Pakistan… They have proved time and again that they love its constitution e.g. General Ayub, General Yahya, Zia, Musharraf… and other supporting generals…Whenever a dictator came into power, the rest of the army supported them…

But i think its also a conspiracy by the enemy… the taliban were also created by the enemy and the army never supported them… the army loves the civilians and calls them bloody civilians out of their love and passion… When Musharraf did an excellent job of running the country, they gave him the guard of honour….

Its also a misconception that army is above law… this rumour is spread by the enemies of Pakistan because you can put on trial any corrupt army officer…..

Another rumour by the enemy is that army runs the affairs of the government indirectly… How is it possible? its actually Gilani and Zardari who are running the government…

At the end everything against the army is a conspiracy and in order to show our support and love for the army, we should start thinking about guarding our borders because the army has done its job for 60 odd years… now they should take a break and focus on housing schemes like DHA and maybe start taking over the most posh areas of Pakistan…After all, we are Pakistanis as well…

My tribute to the Pakistan Army

]]> By: agriculturalengineer http://pkpolitics.com/2009/07/11/vandalism-by-pak-army-officers/#comment-239284 agriculturalengineer Mon, 27 Jul 2009 14:45:16 +0000 http://pkpolitics.com/?p=10838#comment-239284 Now a days it has become a fashion to curse the army. This is all the conspiracy of enemies of Pakistan. This is the institution which stands gaurd to all the visble and invisble enimies of Pakistan (from with in and out side). I request with pain to all the Pakistanis to shed this fashion of just for nothing criticizing our beloved army. The individual / political matters dealt by Musharaf or any other for that matter should not be taken as army's decisions. The official which was so called beaten by some officers ,must not have any personal grudge with any of these gentlemen officers. There must be some irregularity on his side. army is very much concerned about her reputation as an institution and gentlemen along all the ranks dont want any dint or dust on their mother institution. The ACO must be indulge in nefarious activities which could tarnish the image of Pak Army and te gentlemen officers could not left the image of their mother institution on the mercy of so called corrupt officers. LONG LIVE PAKISTAN. LONG LIVE PAK ARMY. Now a days it has become a fashion to curse the army. This is all the conspiracy of enemies of Pakistan. This is the institution which stands gaurd to all the visble and invisble enimies of Pakistan (from with in and out side). I request with pain to all the Pakistanis to shed this fashion of just for nothing criticizing our beloved army. The individual / political matters dealt by Musharaf or any other for that matter should not be taken as army’s decisions. The official which was so called beaten by some officers ,must not have any personal grudge with any of these gentlemen officers. There must be some irregularity on his side. army is very much concerned about her reputation as an institution and gentlemen along all the ranks dont want any dint or dust on their mother institution. The ACO must be indulge in nefarious activities which could tarnish the image of Pak Army and te gentlemen officers could not left the image of their mother institution on the mercy of so called corrupt officers. LONG LIVE PAKISTAN. LONG LIVE PAK ARMY.

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