PESHAWAR: Minister for Railways Ghulam Ahmad Bilour has said those who are fasting on Sunday stand by the side of Qadianis and ‘we’ can only be Muslims if we celebrate Eid with Saudi Arabia.
He said this while talking after offering Eid prayers on Sunday, according to a private TV channel.
‘Some Ulemas have made Eid a matter of their ego while this is not in any way a question of someone’s prestige. This is a religious matter, as the Eid moon was sighted in Lahore and Karachi and later the NWFP government announced to celebrate Eid,’ he underlined.
‘We should celebrate Eid ul Fitr with Saudi Arabia and this way no conflict or dispute would emerge. Those who are not celebrating Eid on Sunday are politicking. When there are no differences over Eid-ul-Azha then why it does arise on Eid-ul-Fitr’, he questioned.
He was of the view it was a grave sin to fast on Eid Day, adding those who observed fasting on Sunday they were on the side of Qadianiat.
‘Muslims all over the world should have to associate themselves with Makkah and Madinah,’ he stressed. -Online
I must say he biggest Ulu ka patha. The statement he has given shows his knowledge about Islam.
I will not say that any one not celebrating Eid on this Sunday is Qadiani but I must say that Mufti Muneem and party are causing lots of confusion on Eid Issue.
Moon sighting is an Astrophysics issue; Mufti’s and religious leaders have nothing to do with this.
Either we follow Saudi Arabia in this respect or we simply take authentic advice from Astrophysics scientists.
People Not Celebrating Eid with Sauids are Qadiani-ANP Leader
یہ اے این پی والے اسلام کے مامے کب سے بن گے ہیں؟
WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!
Islam is not limited to Saudia Arab…..
I think to get rid of this conflict we should accept this point of view.. there is no harm in it.
Bashir Ahmed Bilour owns Shama cinema in Peshawar, most of the ppl knows what kind of movies they play.
This person will teach us Islam ?
Even if he is right, he doesn’t have right to call Muslims, Qadianis
@ adnan562
Bashir Ahmed Bilour owns Shama cinema in Peshawar, most of the ppl knows what kind of movies they play.
They have another cinema in Lahore near Bilour House and same kinds of movies are shown there too.
This has nothing to do with being a qadiani.
Rasool Ullah (SAW) never said muslims living in other parts of the world must follow Saoodi Arabia.
The Muslim Ummah has followed this tradition invariably for the last over 14 centuries.
Why do not you do Aftaari when Saoodies are doing Aftaari in Saoodi Arabia.
It is not solar but lunar calindar that we have to follow which varies from one geographical region to the other.
There must not be problem if the people in NWFP sighted the moon one day before and had their Eid next day. This is a misconcept that this has got something to do with the muslim unity as a Muslim Ummah.Appearance of Moon is controlled by the movement of Moon on its own axis and around the Earth. Therefore, this is inevitable that in some parts of the glob, moon will be sighted earlier than others.
Get unbiased & record the history …it tells that Qadiyanis / Ahmedies in Pakistan always celebrate Eid after the official Anouncment of Rohat e Hilal ( government of Pakistan) .
So Minister sahib atleast Anounced that Qadiyanis are celebrating Eid after Fasting the whole month of Ramadan. They were fasting ???????? Quite a confusion ???
LOL, and these are the profound effects of extremist ideology on our society. No one is immune from it.
If we wish that all the Muslims celebrate Eid on one day, then we have no other alternative than to celebrate with Saudi Calender. Otherwise, let the different mullas create their own ‘dairrh eeint ki masjid’.
In a modern organized society – should the naming of the main holiday be left to be decided by freedom of speech alone.
Or left to the whims of importance/ publicity seeking indivisuals.
If we are to resolve this matter of I’d ul Fitr ever- either of the two possible solutions suggested are the way to go.
1. Go with Saudi Arabia as the entire world does.
2.Go with the Astro Physicists and their observations.
But even if you do that someone somewhere will try to make a big deal about it- and in the bigger scheme of things it is not a big deal.
If you want one Eid in Pakistan then go scientifically, you have satelite sitting 50 miles above the earth watching earth, moon and sun, they can tell us exactly where the moon is.
1400 years ago in Saudi Arabia trusted people used to sit on a camel back and go to highest hill top to look for the moon, now time has changed and we have better and reliable means to find the moon. We do not have to depend any more on Mufi or a mullah’s who are constantly playing games to keep their jobs and feel important.
Alas! One can only lament at the ignorance of these Mullahs. They still consider the world to be flat and not elliptical. Next are they going to say that we must say our Fajr and Isha prayers at the time of the Saudis in Mecca? Whatever you may say about these Qadianis they are at least enlightened people. In Canada and the USA Eid they celebrated Eid on Sunday while in other countries like UK where their leader resides, they celebrated Eid on Monday. No problem!
Is this Mullah now harping at the top of his voice that out of 23 districts of Sarhad 12 districts have become Qadianis!! No wonder the Holy Prophet (S.A.S) said that a time would come when their Scholars (so called) wouldl be the worst creation under the canopy of the sky. He also said that people will flock to them for guidance but will find them as baboons and swine!! Allah – Allah how true.
Dear J.A.G,
Mufti Muneeb Sb or FRHC is not causing any confusion on the Eid issue. It is a bunch of mullahs of Tribal Mullahs of Masjid Qasim Khan who create fitna every year. All technical support of SUPARCO and the Navigation dept of Pakistan Navy is always available and used by the FRHC since last many years and the decision of moon sighting is always taken by FRHC in the light of feedback received from these scientific departments about the postion of moon as per Pakistani Geographical location. As per SUPARCO’s statement issued on Sunday, there was zero possibility of moon sighting anywhere in Pakistan on Saturday evening.
I’d appreciate if you could let me have a single precident from the 62 yrs history of Pakistan where start of Ramadan and celebration of Eid announced by Masjid Qasim Ali Khan differed from Saudi Arabia and matched with the decision of FRHC. This is enough to prove that all of the shahduts presented at Qasim Masjid are always fabricated and fake. This is an issue of Tribal rigidity which we’ve also in violant form in Swat and FATA etc. Additionally, no religious leader from Shiat, Wahabi or Deobandi maslik from other three provinces have ever disagreed with FRHC’s decision and all of these sects have reprsentation in FRHC and they religiously follow it. There would be no issue left if Govt could take the courage and stop Moulvi Populzai and company from setting up their private fake RHC.
ANP has earlier devided this nation and has seriously damaged the national interest of Pakistan on the issue of Kalabagh Dam and now they’ve decided to support a bunch of moulvis of Masjib Qasim Ali Khan just to persue their mean political interests. They’ve rightly supported Federal Govt. and Army’s operation against religous fanatics and terrorists in Swat and FATA who were fighting against writ of the state but in this case they are doing exactly on the contrary by supporting mullahs of one masjid who have never given a sh*t to the writ of state in last 62 years and have always deviated from the Federation by starting Ramadan and celebrating Eid with Saudi Arabia on the basis of fake and fabricated shahaduts. It was better for ANP if they could work together with the Federal Govt. to give a shut up call to mullahs of one masjid and colse their private committee and this would solve the problem forever for the whole nation.
There is one more aspect of this issue. There are many religious groups in Pakistan whose ensestors didn’t support the Pakistan movement and they still don’t believe in Pakistan as a state. I am quite sure that Populzai mullah family also belongs to this school of thought.
I salute Mufti Muneeb Sb’s courage and he or FRHC is not causing any confusion on the Eid issue. It is only a few tribal mullahs of Masjid Qasim Ali Khan who create fi-tna every year on this issue. All technical support of SUPARCO and Pakistan Navy is always available and used by FRHC and decision of moon sighting is always arrived at by FRHC in the light of feedback received from these scientific departments about “postion of moon as per Pakistani Geographical location”. As per SUPARCO’s statement issued on last Sunday, there was zero possibility of moon sighting anywhere in Pakistan on Saturday evening.
Pls let me have a single precident from the 62 yrs history of Pakistan where start of Ramadan and celebration of Eid announced by Masjid Qasim Ali Khan differed from Saudi Arabia and matched with the decision of FRHC. This is enough to prove that all of the shahaduts generated at Qasim Masjid are always fabricated and fake. This is an issue of Tribal rigidity and we’ve also seen its violant form in Swat and FATA etc. Additionally, no religious leader from Shia, Wah*abi or Deo-bandi masliks from other three provinces have ever disagreed with FRHC’s decision and all of these sects have reprsentation in FRHC and they religiously follow its decisions. There would be no issue left if Govt could take the courage and stop Moulvi Populzai and company from setting up their private fake RHC.
The solution of this dispute is very simple that the Govt. should apply its writ on the moulvis of Masjid Qasim Ali Khan the same way he has applied on the religious exremists who challanged the writ of state in Swat and FATA and putting aside their me*an political interests, ANP should support that as they did in the case of Swat and FATA. Saudi Muftis also say that every muslim country should start Ramadan and celebrate Eid as per moon sighting (genuine and actual, not hypothetical like Molvi Populzai does) in in that state.
یہ غلام احمد بلور کو کیا ہوا سارے پاکستان کو احمدی اور ربوہ والا بنا دیا ۔ میں تو یو ٹیوب کا لنک دیکھ کر حیران رہ گیا
اب کیا ہوگا
کیا تمام حکمران اور مولوی بھی اس میں شامل ہوگئے
کیا سب لوگوں کو دوبارہ اسلام میں داخل ہونا ہوگا
کیا کسی کی بھی عید نہیں ہوئی
کیا اب سب لوگوں کے دوبارہ نکاح ہو ںگے
کیا یہی قومی اسمبلی ہے جس کے ممبران کا یہ حال ہے اور ان کے بارے میں ہم کہتے ہیں ان کے فیصلے میں بڑی طاقت ہوتی ہے اور کسی کو کافر اور مسلمان بنانے کا اختیار ان کے پاس ہے
خدا را کفر کے فتوے اور کافر بنانے کی ان مشینوں کو روکیں
ابھی تو وہ بیان سننے سے تعلق رکھتے ہیں جو مفتی منیب الرحمن اور پوپلزئی نے ایک دوسرے پر لگائے ہیں
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omNgzx8_N9o
“All technical support of SUPARCO … is always available ”
SUPARCO was also started by a qadiyani, we can’t trust it…
In 1961, on the advice of Prof. Abdus Salam, the then Scientific Adviser to the President of Pakistan, it was decided to set up a Committee dealing with space sciences. Consequently, a Space Sciences Research Wing of the Pakistan Atomic Energy Commission (PAEC) was established… Initially the Space Sciences Research Wing had the following members:
. Prof Abdus Salam, FRS – Chairman
. Dr I H Usmani, Chairman PAEC – Vice-Chairman
. Mr Sibte Nabi Naqvi, Director, Pakistan Meteorological Department – Member
. Dr Innas Ali, Member PAEC – Member
http://www.suparco.gov.pk/pages/history.asp
@ Yahya,
It seems that you people are mentally very much obsessed by Quadianis. I fully agree with what our constitution says about this community but it doesn’t mean that all of Ahmedis are working against Pakistan. If SUPARCO was setup by Dr. Abdus Salam, he left Pakistan after a few years of that and later this institute is being run by muslim Pakistanis. The views expressed by you are highly finicky and biased. Pls rest assured that a couple of mad mullahs of Masjid Qasim Khan and political jokers of ANP would never be able to hijack the issue of moon sighting and would never succeed in dictating their terms on whole of the nation which is very much active minded and is very well aware of the actual facts in this respect.
فیصلے نہ ماننے والے شریعت سے انحراف کرتے ہیں، مفتی منیب
کراچی (نامہ نگار) مفتی منیب الرحمٰن نے کہا ہے کہ مرکزی رویت ہلال کمیٹی کے فیصلے نہ ماننے والے شریعت اور آئین و قانون سے انحراف کرتے ہیں۔کراچی میں مرکزی رویت ہلال کمیٹی کے اجلاس کے بعد میڈیا سے بات کرتے ہوئے چیئرمین مفتی منیب الرحمٰن نے کہا کہ روزہ فرض عبادت ہے اور اسے فرض عبادات کی طرح ہی ادا کرنا چاہئے۔ رویت ہلال کمیٹی اپنی ذمے داری ایمانداری سے ادا کررہی ہے۔ انھوں نے چاند کے معاملے پر ساتھ دینے پر قوم کا شکریہ ادا کیا۔
Fajr, Zuhur, Asar, Magrib and Isha prayers are said with respect to the Sun. We don’t say Namaz-e-Fajr with Saudi Arabia, it’s all local time. Similarly, Eid issue is that of Moon sighting and has nothing to do with Saudi Arabia.
Please don’t confuse matters that are guided by Sun and Moon with matters in which someone might want to follow Saudi Arabia.
Saudis are the biggest enemies of Islam anyway.
مفتی منیب الرحمان کا معاملہ سینٹ میں اٹھایا جائیگا – حاجی عدیل
پشاور …. عوامی نیشنل پارٹی کے مرکزی رہنما حاجی عدیل نے کہا ہے کہ مرکزی رویت ہلال کمیٹی کے چیرمین مفتی منیب الرحمان کا معاملہ سینٹ میں اٹھایا جائیگا. پشاور میں جیو نیوز سے گفتگو کرکے ہوئے انہوں نے کہا کہ مفتی منیب الرحمان کو چیرمین شپ سے ہٹانے کا معاملہ اٹھایا جائیگا اور سینٹ میں مفتی منیب الرحمان کی چیرمین شپ پر بات کی جائیگی کہ وہ مزید کتنا عرصۂ مرکزی رویت ہلال کمیٹی کے چیرمین کی حیثیت سے کام کر سکتے ہیں
Mufti Muneeb is disputed now. Should be replaced.
@ bebus
جناب کل کو یہی لوگ قائد اعظم رحمت اللہ علیہ کے خلاف بھونکنا شروع کر دیں گے جیسا کہ ماضی میں کرتے رہے ہیں تو کیا آپ کہیں گے کہ قائد اعظم رحمت اللہ علیہ بھی متنازعہ ہو چکے ہیں اب نیا قائد اعظم منتخب کیا جائے؟ انکی اپنے صوبے میں انکی کوئی نہیں مانتا. گیارہ ضلعوں میں اتوار کو اور بارہ ضلعوں میں سوموار کو عید ہوئی ھے. یہ لوگ صرف قوم کو تقسیم کرکے حکومت کرنا چاہتے ہیں. صوبے میں انکا کنٹرول کہاں ھے؟ آج اگر ملٹری واپس آ جائے تو یہ پورا صوبہ دوبارہ طالبان کو دے دیں گے. انکی گورنمنٹ سے زیادہ ناکام گورنمنٹ آج تک پاکستان کے کسی صوبے میں نہیں آئی. اگر ملٹری وہاں نہ جاتی تو یہ اسلام آباد پر بھی قبضہ کروا چکے ہوتے
Yet another stupid,insane,uneducated ,nasty,filthy joker showing his class.
@ bebus
How it is ridiculous to say that ANP is governing by dividing the people? The announcement of Eid moon is responsibility of the Chairman Central Ruet-e-Hilal Committee Maulana Mufti Munib-ur-Rehman. The provicial Ruet-e-Hilal Committee or provicial government is not authorized to do so. That’s why more than half population of NWFP & all Pakistan celebrated Eid on Monday.
I did not compare Maulana Mufti Munib-ur-Rehman with Quaid e Azam. I just explained my point of view with that axample. If today we accept their demand to remove mulana from from Chairmanship of Central Ruet-e-Hilal Committee, tomorrow they may demand to declare Ghaffar Khan as the Father of Nation as they always opposed Quaid Azam.
This is absolutely non sense to demand of removal of Maulana Mufti Munib-ur-Rehman from Central Ruet-e-Hilal Committee as the scientist said that there was no possibility of monn sighting in Pakistan on Saturday.
سرحد میں رویت ہلال، دینی معاملے پر فیصلے کو انتظامی طاقت سے منوانا ناپسندیدہ فعل ہے — مولانا فضل الرحمان
http://www.jang.com.pk/jang/sep2009-daily/23-09-2009/main.htm
برادران
یہ ساری بحث پڑھ کر میں تو اور بھی حیران بلکہ پریشان ہو گیا ہوں۔
1۔ایک صاحب فرماتے ہیں کہ سپارکو ادارہ قادیانیوں کے ڈاکٹر عبد السلام نوبل پرائز یافتہ کافر نے بنایا تھا ۔ مطلب یہ کہ اب ہم اس بھی سے استفادہ نہیں کرسکتے۔ کیونکہ دین کے معاملات میں کسی قادیانی کافر سے مدد لینا حرام ہے بلکہ باعث فسخ نکاح ہے۔ اس کے بارے میں یہ عذر تراشنا کہ بعد میں اس ادارے کو مسلمانوں نے چلایا اس لئے درست نہ ہوگا کہ بنانے والے بانی ممبر تو بہرکیف قادیانی تھے۔
2۔ سعودی عرب والوں کے بارے میں جنید شیخ کہتے ہیں
Saudis are the biggest enemies of Islam anyway.
اگر سعودی اسلام کے سب سے بڑے دشمن ہیں تو پھر خانہ کعبہ ۔ حضرت رسول کریم صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم فداہ نفسی کا مزار مبارک تو اسلام دشمنوں کے ہاتھ میں ہوا ۔ اسی طرح دوسرے تما م مقدس مقامات بھی انہی اسلام دشمنوں کے ہاتھوں میں ہیں۔ ان کے خلاف تو جہاد کرنا ہوگا۔
ویسے جنید صاحب کیا یہ سعودی بھی قادیانی ہیں
3۔تیسرا مسئلہ یہ سامنے مفتی صاحب فرماتے ہیں کہ فیصلے نہ ماننے والے شریعت کا احترام نہیں کرتے گویا جو مفتی صاحب کی بات نہ مانے وہ شریعت کا باغی ہو جاتا ہے۔
مطلب یہ کہ مفتی صاحب مجسم شریعت بن گئے ہیں۔
مفتی صاحب کیا جو آپ کی بات نہیں مانتا وہ قادیانی ہو جاتا ہے۔ جس طرح بلور صاحب فرماتے ہیں۔
میرا خیال ہے کہ ہمیں اس معاملے میں زیادہ الجھنے کی بجائے عقل سے کام لینا چاہئے
شاید اس کا کافی فقدان ہو گیا ہے۔
Moon Sighting Problem in Pakistan:
Moon sighting is no problem of Pakistan’s common Muslims but it is a great problem with Mullas of NWFP who belong to a specific sect or Maslak and their rigid followers are accros the world and country as well. They are the Mullas who make dirty our worships and other religious things. Their job is to spread illness in the world as well our country. They are issueing Fatwas in favor of Suicide bombings. As govt: is dealing with terrorist in NWFP so the govt: will have to bring these special people on the right path otherwise I think that war against terror can not be fruitful in any way. When govt: has established an instituation with scientific assistanse and their sighting is well equiped with sceintific tool and it is acurate then their is no other question should be risen about the accuracy of moon sighting. As far as argument is concerend that we should celebrate our eiden with suadi arabia it is ilogical and it will be against the law of holy Quran because our Holy Book Quran has described the solution of The Moon Sighting very clearly so we should seek the guidance of Holy Quran and Hadith e Rasool e Maqbool Peace be upon him in this regard. Linking our eids with saudi arabia will be innovation in religion of islam (it is only my opinion)
Ok Now ANP politicians will give fatwas. ANP should be just focused on NWFP and fix the problems.
how about if Meeran start giving fatwas. or
Firdose Awan gives fatwas about Kashmala.
RHC should be provided more resources and latest tecnological support, so they can work more efficiently and swiftly. I think we should follow the RHC decision coz RHC represents the whole nation.
shame on you mr ghulam ahmed bilu sahab. your words reflects the limited mentality of ANP.again shame on you
Apparently, the Bilour brothers think that the wealth generated by showing porn movies in peshawar has somehow made them an authority on Islam.
I foresee that Mufti Muneeb will be fired soon.
Hazaron khwahishain aisi kay har khwahish pay dam niklay !!!!
Mufti Muneeb Sb is continuing in his position from last about 8 years just because he is bravely facing and encountering the false pressure and Fitna of Jahil Mullahs of Masjid Qasim Ali Khan who are trying to get him replaced with some Deobandi Scholar who they think might be a soft target for them to impose their religious political agenda upon which Mufti Muneeb and his fellows in the present FRHC are continously rejecting courageously. Mufti Muneeb has been maintained on this position by Musharaf and present regime bcz the Govt authorities are very well aware of the fact and they’ve different technical sources and agencies to verify that mad mullahs of Jamia Masjid Qasim Ali Khan are liars and wrong in their approach.
Some members here are overlooking the fact that FRHC’s is a unanimous body which represents all muslim school of thoughts and its decisions on moon sighting is religiously accepted and followed by 100% Pakistani muslims of all sects and masliks in the three provinces and more than 70% muslims of NWFP province. Mufti Muneeb Sb is a target bcz he is facing the media being the Chairman of FRHC otherwise he is enjoying total trust of all of his fellow members.
Incidentally, unlike ANP ministers (who like to start needless controversies while burdening the army with all the reconstruction work which is their own job), Mufti Muneeb ur Rahman is not drawing any monthly salary from the government.
The post of Chairman (as well as members) of Ruyyiat i Hilal Committe is an honorary post.
مجاہدیں ختم نبوت کا ایک ہی مطالبہ
سپارکو کو مشرف بہ اسلام کیا جاے
اور تمام قادیانیوں کو کلیدی آ سامیوں سے ہٹایا جاے
عصری-پشاور
I am wondering some people were always barking on Mullahs,Mullah,Mullah and were seen Mullah behind every rock but on sightation of Moon they all are with Mullah.Loz…what a hypocrisy.
I am not in favor of useless discussion on Eidain as we have so many others important issues to think about but just for sake of argument.
Adonis
مجھے کامل یقین ہے کہ مفتی منیب الرحمن حکومت پاکستان کے باقاعدہ طور پر تنخواہ دار ملازم ہیں ہاں یہ ممکن ہے کہ رویت ہلال کمیٹی کی باقاعدہ تنخواہ نہ ہو مگر اس میں بھی حکومت وقت کی طرف سے ایک بہت بڑے پیمانے پر ہوٹل میں مولویوں کے قیام و طعام کا انتظام ہوتا ہے۔ اس کے بارے میں خود مفتی منیب الرحمن صاحب تسلیم فرما چکے ہیں۔
مگر اصل ایشو یہ نہیں ہے اس فورم پر اصل ایشو تو مفتی غلام احمد بلور کو وہ بیان ہے کہ جو سعودی عرب کے ساتھ عید نہیں کرے گا وہ قادیانی ہوگا۔
کیا اب ہم سب لوگ قادیانی ہوگئے ۔ یہ ہے فکر والی بات۔ باقی اب مفتی منیب الرحمان صاحب رہیں یا نہ رہیں اس سے کوئی فرق نہیں پڑتا۔ ویسے اگر مفتی صاحب کو مزید جاب کا مسئلہ ہو تو ایک حل موجود ہے آٹھ سال انہوں نے کافی خدمت پاکستان کر لی ہے اب علامہ عالم آن لائن عامر لیاقت حسین کی طرح ایک زنانہ لباس سلوائیں کسی چینل کے ساتھ معاہدہ کرے اور لوگوں کو گمراہ کرنا شروع کر دیں۔ کافی پیسے بنا لیں گے۔
@ khatmenabuwwat!
I am sorry to say that your information is very poor about FRHC. No chairman or member of FRHC draws any salary from Govt. of Pakistan and they are only provided boarding lodging by the Govt. for the meetings and there are also Wahabi and Deobandi Ulemas on that committee.
You’ve also critisized Amir Liaquat Hussain which is really pathatic. Don’t forget that his membership of MQM has been terminated by Altaf Hussain on broadcasting a program from Geo TV on the subject of Khatmenabuwat in which he critisized Quadiani thoughts and also took good class of Mirza Ghulam Ahmed by quoting a piece of speech of Ataullah Shah Bukhari. That video is also available on Youtube.com.
sajjadbutt
Bhai, demagh sey yeh khial nikal doo keh Pakistan mein koi shakhs baghair paisoon kay kaam karta hai. Tankhah na sahee magar tankhah sey ziada marra’at hasil kar kay, uss mein sey tankha wasool ho jati hai. Yahaan tou loog Azan bhi baghair paisoon kay nahee daitay.
Lahola wala…. Aapne Dr Amir ko bhi criticism sey baala qarar dey diya. Kamal hai aapki. Waisay, ‘khtamenabuwat’ ney Mufti Muneeb koo bohat Achha mashwara diya hai, kionkeh annqareeb unnki chhutti hone wali hai.
میرا خیال ہے کہ سجاد بٹ صاحب نے جلدی میں میری ساری بات کو پڑھا نہیں بلکہ جلدبازی میں فرما دیا کہ ایف آر ایچ سی کو حکومت سے کچھ نہیں ملتا۔ بھئی کیا میں نے اس کا انکار کیا ہے۔ میں نے تو صرف اس قدر عرض کی ہے کہ اس کام کے کرنے کی بورڈنگ اور لاجنگ بھی حکومت کے ذمے ہوتی ہے۔ اس لاجنگ کے بدلے یہ قوم میں سوائے انتشار اور گمراہی کے اور کیا پھیلا رہے ہیں۔ ہاں آج کی خبروں کے مطابق ایک صاحب دوسرے کو مشرف کی باقیات قرار دے رہے ہیں اوردوسرے صاحب دہمکیاں دے رہے ہیں کہ نقصان اے این پی اٹھائے گی۔ کم ازکم علماء کا یہ انداز ناقابل فہم ہے۔
دوسرے آپ نے علامہ عامر لیاقت صاحب کے بارے میں فرمایا تو عرض ہے کہ میں نے نیٹ ان کے بارے میں اس پروگرام کی ساری کارروائی دیکھ اور سن لی اور اس کا نتیجہ اللہ رحم کرے اگر یہ نکالنا تھا تو میں صرف یہی کہہ سکتا ہوں کہ جو فتنہ پھیلاتا ہے اس کی مثال ساری انسانیت کو قتل کرنے کی ہوتی ہے۔ سجاد صاحب شایدکو معلوم نہ ہو اس پروگرام کے نتیجے میں ایک ناعاقبت اندیش نے ایک قادیانی ڈاکٹر کو محض قادیانی ہونے پر قتل کر دیا اور سارے علاقے کو ایک رحم دل ڈاکٹر سے محروم کر دیا۔ اگر یہ اسلام ہے تو میں باز آیا ایسے مسلمانوں سے
اگر یہ علماء ہیں تومیں باز آیا ایسے مولویوں سے
کیا کبھی ہمارا چاند وقت پر بھی نکلے یا نہیں؟
گذشتہ دنوں ہمارےعلماء نے اپنے دیرینہ مشغلے کے مطابق عید کی خوشیوں کو ایک مرتبہ پھر دو بالا نہیں بلکہ تہہ و بالا کر دیا۔ابھی انتیسواں روزہ چل رہا تھا کہ پشاور کی مسجد قاسم علی خان سے ایک مولوی پوپلزئی صاحب بزبان پشتو اپنا پوپلا سا منہ بنا کر اعلان جاری کر دیا کہ ہمیں نے چاند دیکھ لیاہے اس لئے اب کل روزہ نہیں ہوگا۔ محترم مولوی صاحب یہ اعلان فرما رہے تھے اس موقع پر اے این پی کے کئی وزرا ء بھی موجود تھے۔ بس یہ کہنے کی دیر تھی کہ پرویز مشرف صاحب کے منظور نظر بلکہ اب تو وزیر ریلویات نے فرما دیا ہے کہ مشرف صاحب کی باقیات نے اپنی تلوار نکالی اور یوں گویا ہوئے کہ جو آج پاکستان میں چاند نظر آ ہی نہیں سکتا اور جو کہتا ہے کہ اسے نظر آیا
وہ جھوٹ بولتا ہے۔
وہ قوم میں انتشارپھیلاتا ہے
وہ انحراف کا رویہ اختیار کرتا ہے
وہ قوم میں گمرائی پھیلاتا ہے
غرضیکہ جو منہ میں اس وقت آیا کہہ گئے۔اور یہاں تک فرما گئے کہ میں حکومت جو آجکل شرپسندوں کے خلاف کارروائی کر رہی ہے وہ ان شرپسندوں کے خلاف بھی کارروائی کرے
ادھر اسی گرما گرمی میں صوبہ سرحد میں خاص فلموں کے بےتاج بادشاہ بلور صاحب بھی میدان میں کود پڑے اور یہ بیان داغ دیا کہ جو ہمارے ساتھ عید نہیں پڑھے گا
وہ ربوہ والوں کے ساتھ ہو گا یعنی قادیانی ہوگا۔
اب تو بھئی معاملہ کافی سنجیدہ صورت اختیار کر گیا کیونکہ ربوہ والوں کے ساتھ ملنا یا ان میں سے ہونا تو بہت بڑا امتحان تھا۔ کیونکہ عید تو وزیر اعظم سے لے کر مفتی منیب الرحمن تک سب نے اگلے دن ادا کی ۔ ادھر حکومتی نمائندے کہتے رہے کہ نہیں ہم مرکزی رویت ہلال کمیٹی کے ساتھ نماز عید کریں گے اور یہ دعویٰ کر دیا کہ صوبہ سرحد میں تمام حکومتی عہدے داروں نے بھی پشاور کے اعلان کے مطابق عید نہیں کی۔ جبکہ دوسری طرف کی اصل اطلاع یہ تھی خود گورنر صاحب صوبہ سرحد نے اور ہائی کورٹ پشاور کے چیف جسٹس نے بھی وفاق کے ساتھ عید نہ کر کے اپنا اسلام بچا لیا۔
اللہ رحم کرے بلور صاحب پر مفتی صاحب کے انگیخت پر بہت بڑی بات کہہ دی اور سب کو لینے کے دینے پڑ گئے۔ بعیدنہیں کئی ایک نکاح بھی دوبارہ پڑھوا لئے کہ شک نہ رہے۔
اب معاملہ سرحد والے کہتے ہیں کہ ہم مفتی منیب الرحمان کو نہیں مانتے ۔ مفتی صاحب کہتے ہیں کہ سرحد کی مسجد قاسم علی خان پر ایکشن کیا جائے ۔ سوچنے کی بات یہ ہے کہ اگر یہ ایکشن کیانی صاحب نے حکومت کے کہنےپر کر بھی لیا تو کیا ہوگا؟
پہلے ایک ایکشن لال مسجد میں کیا گیا کئی روز تک گولہ باری ہوتی رہی اور ایسالگتا تھا کہ آرمی سے زیادہ جدید اسلحہ اندر مولویوں کے پاس ہے پھر ہم سب نے دیکھا کہ ایک مولوی برقعہ پہنے ہوئے گرفتار ہو گیا معلوم ہوا کہ بہت شرمیلے تھے اور موت سے ڈرتے تھے، شہادت کی طلب نہ تھی اس لئے برقعہ پہن لیا۔یہ ہمارے لال مسجد کے سب سے بڑے ہیرو یا ولن مولانا عبد العزیز صاحب تھے۔
اب نئی حکومت آئی ہے اس کے اپنے دہشت گرد قرار دینے کے اپنے معیار ہیں اس لئے خبر آئی کہ یہ مولوی صاحب رہا کر دئے گئے اور نہ صرف رہا کر دئے گئے اسی مسجد میں جاکر نمازیں بھی پڑھا رہے ہیں بلکہ ابکے تو عید کی نماز بھی پڑھائی۔ اس لئے کیانی صاحب خدا کے لئے حکومت کی بات مت مانئے گا۔ کیونکہ میرا نہیں خیال آپ کے پاس اتنے پیسے ہوں کہ بعد میں عدالتی کارروئیوں کے وکیل کر سکیں۔
اب معاملہ اور بھی تشویشناک صورت اختیار کر چکا ہے کیونکہ اب مولوی ورسز مولوی جمع اے این پی ہے۔
دیکھیں کیا نتیجہ نکلتا ہے۔
کیا نیا مفتی تمام صوبوں کی مرضی کے مطابق چاند چڑھایا کرے گا؟؟؟؟؟؟؟
Every year, maulvi popalzai and his cohorts celebrate Eid and ramzan before the whole Pakistan and no body gives a damn. Strangely, this year ANP intentionally created a controversy by becoming a party in the issue.
It is quite apparent that all this unnecessary controversy has been created by the Bilour brothers who were under a lot of pressure in the media because of their shenanigans in the ministry of railways. Ghulam Bilour’s pressure tactics on one of his subordinates, Maryam Gillani to force her to recruit the nominees of Bilour brothers and her subsequent suspension when she refused to do that had just started becoming big news in the media. There were also alleged issue of purchases in the railways.
Looks like the Bilour brothers did a pre-emtive strike and got involved in an unnecessary controversy so that the media’s attention can be diverted and their corruption stories remain away from public view.
@all of you,,,,,Kutta Kaan ley gaya aap ka????pehley Kaan dekho phir bhago. Lol Bashir bilor had denied this statement ..its only rumours.
I think that Mufti Muneeb’s role ended once he announced that Moon is sighted.
He had no right to criticize others or to issue political statements as he is not a political leader.
He crossed his limits and involved himself in point scoring games on TV channels.
@ bebus
I think that Mufti Muneeb’s role ended once he announced that Moon is sighted. He had no right to criticize others or to issue political statements as he is not a political leader. He crossed his limits and involved himself in point scoring games on TV channels.
You are lucky man. Your comments are posted within no time. My comments are waiting for NWFP government for mpore than 24 hours.
Bebus
you are absolutely right. His duty is and was only to announce the moon is sighted. Implementation is the duty of Govt not muneeb mufti.
@ khatmenabuwwat
Bebus, you are absolutely right. His duty is and was only to announce the moon is sighted. Implementation is the duty of Govt not muneeb mufti.
Which government? ANP government that says all Pakistani who celebtrated Eid on Manday are Qadiyanis.
ملک میں دو عیدیں۔ایک نیا فتنہ، اداریہ نوا ئے وقت
گـزشتہ روز غیرسرکاری رویت ہلاک کمیٹی کے اعلان پر صوبہ سرحد کے پشاور سمیت کئی اضلاع میں عیدالفطر منائی گئی جبکہ سوات،ہزارہ، ڈیرہ اسماعیل خاں اور دیگر کئی مقامات پر غیرسرکاری روایت ہلال کمیٹی کے فیصلے کے برعکس لوگوں نے روزہ رکھا۔ وفاقی وزیر ریلوے غلام احمد بلور اور صوبائی وزیر بشیر بلور نے مرکزی رویت ہلال کمیٹی کے کردار پر تنقید کی ہے اور کہا ہے کہ دنیا کے 70 فیصد ممالک میں عید سعودی عرب کے ساتھ منائی جاتی ہے۔ مرکزی رویت ہلال کمیٹی کے چیئرمین پنجاب کی کمیٹی کے چیئرمین بن کر رہ گئے ہیں۔
پاکستان کے راسخ العقیدہ مسلمانوں کی دیرینہ خواہش رہی ہے کہ عیدین کے اجتماعات قومی وحدت کا مظہر اور مسلمانوں کی عظمت کے آئینہ دار ہوں۔ ماضی میں عید کے موقع پر مختلف علاقوں میں الگ الگ عیدیں منانے کی وجہ سے جو اختلافات سامنے آئے انہیں مدنظر رکھ کر تمام مذہبی مسالک کے علماء کے مشورے اور ارکان پارلیمنٹ کی سوچ بچار کے بعد مرکزی رویت ہلال کمیٹی کا قیام عمل میں آیا جس میں نہ صرف تمام مکاتب فکر کی نمائندگی ہے بلکہ جدید تعلیم یافتہ افراداور ماہرین فلکیات کوبھی کمیٹی کا حصہ بنایاگیا ہے اور رویت ہلال کمیٹی کی تشکیل کے بعد بہت کم مواقع پر اختلاف سامنے آیا ہے لیکن گزشتہ کچھ عرصہ سے صوبہ سرحد کی حکومت سیاسی وجوہات اور بعض علماء کرام مسلکی اختلافات کی بناء پر مرکزی رویت ہلال کمیٹی کے وجود کو تسلیم کرنے اور اس کی طرف سے چاند نظر آنے کے اعلان کو پورے ملک کیلئے واجب الاتباع قرار دینے پر تیار نہیں اور اس سال تو حکومت سرحد نے غیر سرکاری رویت ہلال کمیٹی کے فیصلے کے مطابق پورے صوبے میں اتوارکے روز عیدالفطرمنانے کا فیصلہ کرکے عملاً باقی تین صوبوں اور صوبہ سرحد کے بعض اضلاع سے الگ عید منانے کی روایت کا آغاز کردیا ہے اور رویت ہلال کی شہادتوں کے بجائے سعودی عرب کی طرف سے اعلان عید کو پورے پاکستان بلکہ پوری دنیا کیلئے قابل تقلید قرار دے کر ملک میں نیا تفرقہ پیدا کردیا ہے۔
پوری قوم کی یہ خواہش ہے کہ عیدین ایک ہی روز منائی جائیں لیکن اس مقصد کیلئے شرعی تقاضوں کو ملحوظ رکھنا بہرحال ضروری ہے محض کسی مخصوص علاقے یا گروپ کی خوشنودی کیلئے مسلمانوں کو روزے جیسی عظیم نعمت سے محروم کرنا زیادتی ہے جبکہ روایت ہلال کے ضمن میں سعودی عرب کی پیروی کرنااس لئے مشکل ہے کہ ایک تو پاکستان اور سعودی عرب کا مطلع مختلف ہے دونوں میں تین گھنٹے کا فرق ہے سعودی عرب میں افطار اور نماز مغرب کے وقت پاکستان میں نماز تراویح بھی پڑھی جا چکی ہوتی ہے جبکہ بلور برادران کی منطق کے مطابق اگر پوری دنیا میں سعودی عرب کے ساتھ عید منانے کی رسم ڈالی جائے تو امریکہ اور یورپ کے کئی ممالک میں نماز عید نماز عشاء کے ساتھ ادا کرنی پڑے گی۔ ملک میں پہلی بار نماز عید اور رویت ہلال کے خالص شرعی معاملے میں صوبائی تعصب کو بھی ہوا دی گئی ہے اور ہزارہ سے تعلق رکھنے والے مولانا مفتی منیب الرحمن کو پنجاب کی کمیٹی کا چیئرمین قرار دیکر اسے کالا باغ ڈیم کی طرح ایک علاقائی، صوبائی اور نسلی مسئلہ بنانے کی کوشش کی گئی ہے جسے نرم سے نرم الفاظ میںانتہائی افسوس ناک قرار دیا جائیگا۔
بلور برادران معلوم نہیں پنجاب سے اتنے الرجک کیوں ہیں کہ ایک خالص شرعی معاملے کو بھی جو بنیادی طور پر علماء کرام اور ماہرین فلکیات کو طے کرنا چاہئے صوبائیت کی عینک سے دیکھنے لگے ہیں حالانکہ نوّے کے عشرے میں وہ میاں نوازشریف کے شردھالو اور ان کی حکومت میں شریک رہے ہیں اب بھی بلور صاحبان کا دور ہ لاہور رائیونڈ حاضری کے بغیر مکمل نہیں ہوتا، پیپلز پارٹی کی سیکرٹری اطلاعات فوزیہ وہاب نے درست کہا ہے کہ رویت ہلال کے مسئلہ پر سیاسی خلفشار پھیلایا جا رہا ہے اور قومی وحدت کو پارہ پارہ کرنے کیلئے عیدالفطر کے مقدس تہوار کو استعمال کیا گیا ہے حیرت انگیز بات یہ ہے کہ پشاور کی غیر سرکاری رویت ہلال کمیٹی کے اعلان کو صوبہ سرحد کے بیشتر اضلاع میں تسلیم نہیں کیا گیا جس کا مطلب ہے کہ وہاں کے عوام اور علماء کرام غیر سرکاری رویت ہلال کمیٹی کے فیصلے اور کردار سے متفق نہیں البتہ گورنر، وزیراعلیٰ، دیگر عمائدین اور سرکاری عہدیداروں نے غیر سرکاری رویت ہلال کمیٹی کے فیصلے کے مطابق نماز عید ادا کرکے اس کمیٹی کو سرکاری درجہ دیدیا۔
یہ صورتحال مرکزی رویت ہلال کمیٹی کے علاوہ وفاقی حکومت اور پارلیمنٹ کیلئے لمحہ فکریہ ہے یہ ماضی میں رویت ہلال کمیٹی کے بعض فیصلوں کا ردعمل بھی ہے اور اس کے کردار کو سائنسی انداز میں ازسرنو متعین کرنے کی ضرورت کا متقاضی بھی۔ سائنس و ٹیکنالوجی کے موجودہ دور میں جب عشروں بعد سو رج گرہن اور چاند گرہن کی پیش گوئی ممکن ہے اور سعودی عرب کے علاوہ ایران اور کئی دیگر مسلم ممالک میں رویت ہلال پر کبھی تنازعہ کھڑا نہیں ہوا پاکستان میں ہر سال ملک میں دو دو اور بسا اوقات تین روز عید منانے کے واقعات افسوس ناک ہیں اس سے پاکستان دنیا میں مذاق بنتا ہے اور عیدین کے تہوار وحدت ملی کے بجائے انتشار اور افتراق کا سبب بن جاتے ہیں اسی انتشار کی وجہ سے مسلکی اور علاقائی تعصبات کو ہوا ملتی ہے اور دین بیزار عناصر کو اہل مذہب بالخصوص علماء کرام پر طعنہ زنی کا موقع ملتا ہے اس لئے رویت ہلال کمیٹی کی تشکیل نو کرکے اس میں ہر مسلک کے معتبر اور جید علماء کرام کے علاوہ سائنس و تکنیکی علوم بالخصوص فلکیات کے ماہرین کو شامل کیا جائے۔ رویت ہلال کیلئے جدید سائنسی و تکنیکی آلات اور تحقیقات سے استفادہ کیا جائے اور شہادتوں کے حصول کیلئے بھی زیادہ سے زیادہ سہولتیں فراہم کی جائیں تاکہ پاکستانی قوم ایک ہی دن روزہ رکھنے اور عید منانے کے ساتھ ملی وحدت اور قومی شان و شوکت کا اظہار کرسکے۔ یہ عوام کا حق ہے کہ وہ ایک ساتھ روزے رکھیں، عید منائیں اور خوشی کے موقع پر کسی کو بدمزگی پیدا کرنے کا موقع نہ ملے
I sort of kind of agree with Haji Bilour and I am glad I celeberated Eid on Sunday. Eid should be one day universally. We should not let these mullahs site moon for us.
@ Kashif
I sort of kind of agree with Haji Bilour and I am glad I celeberated Eid on Sunday.
So you confirm the statement of Haji Bilour that all those Pakisrtani who celebrated Eid on Maonday are Qadiyani. I do not want to give any more comments on your statement if you have the same mentality as that of Blour.
@ Kashif
Eid should be one day universally. We should not let these mullahs site moon for us.
I agree with you that Eid should be one day universally and We should not let these mullahs site moon for us. ANP demands to celebrate Eid with Saudi Arabia. Why we should not decide scientists to give us Islamic Calendar in the beginning of the Islamic year? Would Saudis and other islamic world celebrate Eid with us if we see eid noon before them?
@Kashif,
I am sure you celebrated eid in church then
Questions:
– How did people perform eid on same day universally until 2 decades ago in absense of electronic commnications infrastructure?
– How will residents living close to others but seperted by international man-made date line perform eid? As per your logic, they will have to do eid with a difference of 24 hours
atruepakistani said:
@all of you,,,,,Kutta Kaan ley gaya aap ka????pehley Kaan dekho phir bhago. Lol Bashir bilor had denied this statement ..its only rumours.
i will not use your kind of proverb because in this case dog is out dated. please watch mubashir luqman show point blank on 24 sep at 7 am and 2 pm your lovely minister said yes i gave this stupid statment and i insist on it. then he left his program when host catgorically said you are main agent of pakistan x rated movies.
@Bawa & rasheed
I do not agree with Qadiyani part. I thought Qadiyani issue was tied to Khat me Naboowut not moon siting. Thats why I said “sort of kind of” I am more in agreement with universal eid day it. I also agree with you lunar calendar similar to solar.
@atruepakistani,
video statement of haji basheer blower:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omNgzx8_N9o
Lets stop giving arguments just for the sake of argument and concentrate on some facts and figures. As per my personal observation of last about 15~20 years, all of the moon sightings announced by Masji Qasim Ali Khan for start of Ramadan and Eid fell exactly, I repeat exactly, with those announced by Saudi Arabian administration. Keeping in view the distance and difference in geographical locations of Pakistan and SA, how it is possible that Moon could always be seen in both of the countries simultaneously but this is happening at Masjid Qasim Ali Khan from last 62 years or even more. I’d be grateful if someone could correct my observation if I am wrong in that.
Secondly, Moon sighting, most of the times, is announced by FRHC on the following day of that announced in Saudi Arabia and more than 90% of Pakistani muslim population of all sects reilgiously follow that without any issue or argument. One possible solution of this whole issue could be that Pakistan Govt. also fix the start of Ramadan and Eid celebration for the next day of those announced in Saudi Arabia. Would ANP and Moulvi Populzai and company of Masjid Qasim agree to this proposal? Pls let me know what do you think?
@ bebus & Kashif
I suggest you to listen your Blour in Point Blank of 23rd September 2009.
Here is Taqi usmani balanced view ,and he is the strong supporter of Pakistani Royat-e-Hilala ,At the end he said we should not care who is the head of commeti even he is brelvi we should follow him
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http://deeneislam.com/ur/verti/jadid/royat-e-hilal/article.php?CID=384&cp=0
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http://deeneislam.com/ur/verti/jadid/royat-e-hilal/article.php?CID=384&cp=1
Adonis said:
[Every year, maulvi popalzai and his cohorts celebrate Eid and ramzan before the whole Pakistan and nobody gives a damn. Strangely, this year ANP intentionally created a controversy by becoming a party in the issue. It is quite apparent that all this unnecessary controversy has been created by the Bilour brothers who were under a lot of pressure in the media because of their shenanigans in the ministry of railways. Ghulam Bilour’s pressure tactics on one of his subordinates, Maryam Gillani to force her to recruit the nominees of Bilour brothers and her subsequent suspension when she refused to do that had just started becoming big news in the media. There were also alleged issue of purchases in the railways. Looks like the Bilour brothers did a pre-emtive strike and got involved in an unnecessary controversy so that the media’s attention can be diverted and their corruption stories remain away from public view.]
Thanks for highlighting this very important aspect of the whole issue. It is quite pertinent and I fully support you observation. Very well done!
@ bebus
I think that Mufti Muneeb’s role ended once he announced that Moon is sighted. He had no right to criticize others or to issue political statements as he is not a political leader. He crossed his limits and involved himself in point scoring games on TV channels.
Dear Bebus!
As you know electronic media has became very powerful in Pakistan and it covers almost every street and area of Pakistan now. It is contributing a lot in opinion building of the nation. It is next to impossible for a relevant party or person to remain silent and off the scene if the opposition launches a smear campaign through media. This would be like giving a walkover to the opponents in front of whole of the nation and it gets more risky and dangerous when one has to deal with ages old political jokers and extra clever group of people. Plus as Chairman, it is Mufti Muneeb Sb’s responsibility to answer all questions or objections raised on FRHC’s decision. So I don’t think there is anything objectionable in it.
This is coming from the mouth of a secularist person whose family till recently run some naked cinemas (Shama and Sabreena) in the heart of Peshawar and i won’t even say on whose name he named those cinemas. His nephew apart from numerous other doggy busineses also lent money to businessmen on interests. His brother the senior minister in NWFP Cabinet has been named in the murder investigation of numerous political activists. He doesn’t have the moral or religious background to say anything like this. Calling a fellow muslim a Qadiani (hence a Kafir) is a very big sin, so much so that it has been said that the person himself becomes a Kafir.
Dual Eid is a big issue and being from Peshawar myself realise there are different dimensions to it. There are some facts and fictions. It is a reality that Qasim Khan mosque is doing the moon sighting for more than 300 years and also is a fact that moon sighting witnesses from NWFP region are not recognised like the one from other provinces. I think we need to work Nationally to recognize and establish a system. If that system is based on scientific evidence than fine or if not that there is no harm in following Saudia Arabia if it means cohesion of our nation.
It also needs to be seen that Muslim across the globe from UK to Indonesia celebrated Eid on Sunday and Pakistan which lies in centre celebrated it on Monday. Having said that, i have nothing but respect for Mufti Munib-ur-Rehman as a scholar and i trust him alot more than people making decision in Qasim Khan Mosque.
@ bebus & Kashif
I suggest you to listen your Blour in Point Blank of 23rd September 2009.
23 September.
@ Kashif
I sort of kind of agree with Haji Bilour and I am glad I celeberated Eid on Sunday.
So you confirm the statement of Haji Bilour that all those Pakisrtani who celebrated Eid on Maonday are Qadiyani. I do not want to give any more comments on your statement if you have the same mentality as that of Blour.
WELDONE MUFTI MUNEEB SB, these jahils , uneducated are making issues , LOOSE BRAINS ALWAYS MAKE LOOSE DECESIONS, SO ANP is rubbish , they are blackmailed by zalimans, jahils. SCIENCtifically it says moon was not on the sky that day, so how these stupids can see moon on sky.
I don’t think we should take every word that has been said seriously. The only thing to debate is if we recognize, that time has changed and, it is now acceptable to predict the sighting of moon accurately in any part of the world, without doubt. If we accept that then it is so much advisable and so much convenient to celebrate Eid one day throughout the world.
The second thing to remember is that one has to have a “niyat” to keep 30 or 29 “roasa’s” I don’t think God Almighty is going to punish anyone, if you keep this one day ahead or one day later.
Mufti Muneef has shown poor judgment on many many occasions in the past and I don’t think it would do the country any wrong if his committee is immediately disbanded. With respect to all. Nothing personal against anyone. Another logical and long overdue unnecessary argument that should be put to rest.
Moon-sighting issue lingers on
Thursday, September 24, 2009
Tauseef-ur-Rahman
PESHAWAR: Celebrating two Eids is not a new phenomenon in the country. This time the controversy has, however, taken an ugly turn after allegations and counter-allegation by a political party and the chairman of the central moon-sighting committee.
Interestingly, the mainstream religio-political parties as well as the coalition partners in the province were also divided on Shawwal moon sighting.Jamiat Ulema-e-Islam-Fazl (JUI-F) chief Maulana Fazlur Rahman was probably the first one to criticise the decision of unofficial Ruet-e-Hilal (moon sighting) Committee of Qasim Ali Khan mosque, which declared Eid on Sunday.
Fazlur Rahman also censured provincial government, which endorsed the Qasim Ali Khan decision, saying it had no right to interfere in the religious affairs. It is interesting to note that the clerics of Qasim Ali Khan mosque belong to Deoband school of thought and most of them have affiliation with JUI-F.
The JUI-F chief, however, did not comply with the decision of Qasim Ali Khan mosque, perhaps because of his constituency compulsion. Traditionally, people of his constituency — Dera Ismail Khan — observe Ramazan and Eid as per the decision of Central Ruet-e-Hilal Committee.
On the other hand, Qazi Hussain Ahmad, a former chief of Jamaat-e-Islami (JI), supported the decision of unofficial body of Qasim Ali Khan mosque and said that he had received moon-sighting evidence at his home. But, oddly enough, his decision could not persuade his fellows at Mansoora — the party’s headquarters in Lahore — as they also celebrated Eid on Monday.
The followers of Deoband school of thought in other provinces did not follow the verdict of Qasim Ali Khan mosque that belongs to the same school of thought.
The friction was also visible in the Awami National Party-Pakistan People’s Party coalition as PPP Provincial President Syed Zahir Ali Shah not only celebrated Eid on Monday but also condemned the provincial government for ‘interfering’ in the religious affairs. “The government has no right to interfere in the Ruet affairs,” the media quoted him as having said. The controversy exacerbated with hard-line posturing of Mufti Muneebur Rahman and Awami National Party (ANP) led by Ghulam Ahmad Bilour in this context.
The ANP-led coalition government tried to ensure that Eid was celebrated on the same day across the country by inviting the zonal committee members to the meeting at Qasim Ali Khan mosque, said Mian Iftikhar Hussain, provincial minister for information. Yet, the desire of the party could not be fulfilled as only one member of the zonal committee attended the moon-sighting proceedings at Qasim Ali Khan mosque while others did not turn up.
The Qasim Ali Khan mosque has been a historical centre and for almost 200 years it has been issuing decrees on moon sighting for the months of Ramazan and Shawwal. People in the province, particularly in Peshawar valley, celebrate the two religious rituals on the decision of the said mosque.
The decision of Qasim Ali Khan was unanimous. Bashir Bilour, senior NWFP minister and younger brother of Ghulam Ahmad Bilour, said they had to follow the decision of the local clerics.
The provincial government decision was severely criticised by Mufti Muneeb that led to a fierce attack on the ANP, something unprecedented. ANP acting president Haji Muhammad Adeel told The News that Pakistan was not a theocratic state and the Central Ruet-e-Hilal Committee feared its monopoly over the moon sighting would be eroded if the political leadership joined in the efforts to resolve the decades-old controversy on sighting of the moon. He said the Central Ruet-e-Hilal Committee would have convened the meeting for Saturday had it given a serious consideration to the issue of moon sighting.
Mufti-e-Azam of Pakistan Mufti Rafi Usmani and other religious scholars on Sunday also issued a statement, criticising the Central Ruet-e-Hilal Committee for all the controversy. They said celebrating Eid on Sunday in NWFP was lamentable and the responsibility for the divide rested with the committee, not the NWFP government.
The Mufti said Central Ruet-e-Hilal Committee often ignored the evidence offered by people from NWFP. He stressed the need for reconstitution of the committee, saying the Ruet body should work above biases and prejudices.
“One thing which is badly lacking in the whole episode is scientific calculations over moon sighting. Both the parties have focused their attention on allegations,” said an academician.
This is not a matter of someone’s ego but the issue of millions of people and it should be dealt with judiciously and amicably. Both Mufti Muneeb and Mufti Shahabuddin must consult the scientific calculations and whosoever was found at fault should tender apology to the nation openheartedly, suggested the academician requesting anonymity.
Mufti Munib ur Rahman is a qualified Islamic scholar who also understands the need to utilise astronomical data and devices for the annoucement of the hilal. This is what he has been doing for the past 8 years successfully uniting the people of Pakistan (masha’Allah!).
As for the Minister for Railways, Ghulam Ahmad Bilour, his comments show that he is a complete ignoramus. He should stick to ministering railways than getting involved in issues he knows next to nothing about. He neither knows of the Islamic verdict nor the scietific approach to the subject of hilal sighting.
1. Islamically: “Every land has it’s own moon sighting.” This is an authentic Hadith mentioned in Sahih Muslim.
2. Scientifically: The claim that all Muslims must start on the same day across the whole planet is false for the basic reason that the moon does not appear on the same day over the globe. The hilal would only appear on the same day if the earth were flat. Christopher Columbus and interestingly, Muslims before him had dispelled the “flat-earth” idea several hundred years ago. This is commonsense unless Bilour Sahib is still living in the Stone Age.
3. There is no proof from the Qur’an and Sunna for following Saudi Arabia. The holy sites of Makka and Madina being there is not a proof for following its rulers. Yazîd also ruled these sanctified sites in the past. During the days of his rule, there was mass murder, looting and rape by his forces in the cities of Makka and Madina. Even the adhân, `iqâmat and prayers did not take place in the mosque of the Holy Prophet (s). Details of this can be pursued in Târîkh at-Tabarî, al-Bidâya wan-Nihâya of Hâfiz Ibn Kathîr and Târîkh ibn Athîr. There is ikhtilaf about the hilal even in Saudi Arabia and the kings muftis have issued fatwas asking other countries NOT to following their sightings.
بلور صاحب کا مطلب صرف اتنا تھا کہ مفتی منیب یھود و ہنود کی سازش کا شکار ہوے ہیں۔ ہم تو مکہ مدینہ کی طرف رخ کرکے نماز پڑھتے ہیں اور کچھ لوگ ربوہ کی طرف۔ تو صاحبو یہ مسلہ اتنا سادہ نہیں۔ اجتھاد کرکے آءیندہ اس روز عید نا منایی جاے جس روز ربوا میں عید ہو۔ تا کہ سترہ کروڑ مسلمانوں کے ایمان کو بچایا جا سکے۔
@ asra
اجتھاد کرکے آءیندہ اس روز عید نا منایی جاے جس روز ربوا میں عید ہو۔ تا کہ سترہ کروڑ مسلمانوں کے ایمان کو بچایا جا سکے۔
If next year some Qadeyani announce to celebarate Eid on one day and some Qadeyani announce to celebrate Eid on other day then when Muslims should celebrate Eid?
Both Mufti Muneeb and Mufti Shahabuddin must consult the scientific calculations and whosoever was found at fault should tender apology to the nation openheartedly.
@ asra!
Your augument is really funny and astonishing. Islam doesn’t support any such excuse or argument. This would make whole nation a laughing stock. Emaan of a muslim is not that weak that it can be destroyed by such trivial things. Pls grow up!
@ scary!
I’d like to ask from members suggesting the suspension of FRHC that why shouldn’t we raise our voices to strictly ban a small group of moulvis of Masjid Qasim Ali Khan who create Fitna every year on this issue. More than 90% Pakistan muslims have no issue or reservation about FRHC and they follow its decisions every year. I am sorry to see that no one is giving any argument on this subject. When the space scientists and depts of Pakistan are saying there was ZERO chance of moon sighting on last Saturday’s evening, how we can trust the Shahaduts presented at Masjid Qasim Ali Khan? Pls do let me know and start thinking out of the box.
موڈریٹر صاحب! اگر میرے کومنٹس آپکو اچھے نہیں لگتے تو مجھے پرائیویٹ میسج بھیج دیں. میں فورا فورم کو چھوڑ جاونگا. کیوں میرے کومنٹس کو دو دو دن روکے رکھتے ہو؟ نہ تو میں فارغ آدمی ہوں اور نہ ہی مجھے پاکستانی سیاست سے کوئی خاص لگاو ہے. بس یونہی پاکستانی بھائی بہنوں سے چھیڑخانی کرنے چلا آتا ہوں. اگر یہ اسکو پسند نہیں ہے تو ہم یہاں نہیں آیا کریں گے. ہمارا کیا ھے یہاں نہ سہی تو کہیں اور پنگا کرنے چلیں جائیں گے
ہم فقیروں سے کج ادائی کیا — ان بیٹھے جو تم نے پیار کیا
@ zam1112
Issue is very simple. People who can extend their silent support to suicide bombings in Pakistan, killing and slaughtering of innocent muslim Pakistanis and security personnel by the terrorists and can tolerate the activities of Zalimaans on Pakistani soil in the holly name of Islam and Jihad can easily present their fake Shahaduts as well for moon sighting on the order of their “Ameer”(Moulvi Populzai in this case). This is happening from last many dacades and shall continue the same way in the coming future. “Zameen jumbud na jumbud Gul Mohammad”.
Ghulam Ahmad Bilour ANP leader is a sick person. He dont know anything about Islam. Calling 95% Muslims of a country as Qadiyani. ANP should take notice of his stupid attitude and fired him from ANP party immediatelty. Mufti Muneeb ur Rahman is doing a perfact job. He demand the removal of Chairman Ruyate Halal committee and now its a demand of every Pakistani to remove Ghulam Ahmad Bilour from his Railway ministry and shut up his mouth.
To sajjadbutt
You say same thing, issue is not eid day issue is do you and mufti muneeb and other punjabis and islamabadis accept pukhtoon gawahi or not. What pisses them (ANP) off is halal committee never accepted the shahadah of a pukhtoon. we have history of 60 years. Thats why 2 members of halal committe resigned.
Why not make amendment in constitution that pukhtoon are no eligible for testifying (especially moon).
Mufto muneeb can accept gawahi from KHuzdar but not from kohat. Joka!!
stop double standards.
@ asra
So according to your logic, people in Swat, Malakand, Kohistan and many in peshawar and Kohat are not pakhtoons because the refused to accept the “fatwa” of Mufti “porn king” Bilour.
For heaven’s sake, how can it be a punjabi pakhtoon issue when Mufti Muneeb himself is from NWFP. The matter is very simple, the central ruyyiat committee is saying that they will not accept any witness against scientific fact. All scientists agree that moon sighting was not possible on saturday.
It is quite apparent that Bilour brothers are deliberately trying to turn it into an ethnic issue. The media has just started highlighting their corruption stories and they can now portray themselves as victims. Now they will say that media is only accusing them of corruption because they are fighting for the rights of pakhtoons.
@ asra said:
sajjadbutt, do you and mufti muneeb and other punjabis and islamabadis accept pukhtoon gawahi or not. Why not make amendment in constitution that pukhtoon are no eligible for testifying (especially moon).
پوری دنیا میں کہیں بھی پٹھان اور سکھ کی گواہی قابل اعتبار نہیں سمجھی جاتی. اسکا سب سے بڑا ثبوت غلام احمد بلور کا بیان ہے جس میں وہ فرماتے ہیں کہ سوموار کو عید کرنے والے قادیانی ہیں. اگر انکی گواہی ماں لی جائے تو سارا پاکستان قادیانی ہو گیا ہے. اس کیلیے کسی آئیں میں ترمیم کرنے کی ضرورت نہیں. یہ تو ایک یونیورسل ٹروتھ یا آفاقی سچائی ہے. پوری دنیا اس مسلمہ حقیقت کو تسلیم کرتی ہے
There is no 100% authentic scientific fact on moon sighting and secondly no where all scientists agreed that moon sighting was not possible on saturday. Don’t fabricate stories that you can’t justify with evidences.
Fact is that witnesses have been systematically rejected, protests were made which were ignored.
There are people who are walking on the moon and are worried about moon dust caught in the sole of their shoes. Then there are people who are standing on the earth trying to find the moon in the sky and fighting with each other if they caught a glimpse of it or not so they can celebrate an occasion. One is walking on the moon and the other is trying to sight it from earth. How ironic.
صاحب فرماتے ہیںasra
بلور صاحب کا مطلب صرف اتنا تھا کہ مفتی منیب یھود و ہنود کی سازش کا شکار ہوے ہیں۔ ہم تو مکہ مدینہ کی طرف رخ کرکے نماز پڑھتے ہیں اور کچھ لوگ ربوہ کی طرف۔ تو صاحبو یہ مسلہ اتنا سادہ نہیں۔ اجتھاد کرکے آءیندہ اس روز عید نا منایی جاے جس روز ربوا میں عید ہو۔ تا کہ سترہ کروڑ مسلمانوں کے ایمان کو بچایا جا سکے۔
صرف اس روز عید نہ منائی جائے جس روز ربوا میں عید ہوتی ہے ۔ زبردست مطلب یہ ہواآج یکم شوال ہے اور آج ربوے والے عید منا رہے ہیں اس لئے خبردار کوئی مسلمان بھی اس دن عید نہ منائے ورنہ ربوا والوں سے مشابہت ہو جائے گی۔
کمال کی سوچ پائی ہے۔
@ASRA,
bohalay badshah on that day scientists said moon was not present, so how can we they see on sky. Watch salim safi JIRGA for more knowledge. IF A WOMEN IN A LABOUR WARD AND SHE IS IN PROCESS OF DELIEVERY AND SOME PEOPLES COME UP AND TELL THAT THEY HAVE SEEN THE BABY, IS THIS POSSIBLE, SO THEY ARE LIEING.
PAKHTOONS+ SINDHI+BALOCHI+ PUNJABIES= PAKISTANI
I truely say I never thought in my life I belong to punjab so I am punjabi I BELONG TO PAKISTAN, SO I AM PAKISTANI. ALWAYS SMALL BRAINS AND DIRTY BRAINS THINKS BALOCHI, SINDHI, PAKHTOONS , PUNJABIES ALWAYS THOUGHT PAKISTANI.
مجھے لگتا ہے کہ ابھی عید کے چکر میں کئی لوگوں اور علماء پر کفر کے فتوے لگیں گے
ذرا اس پر غور فرمائیں
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VL-Q3v7UUyo&feature=channel
جب الله کسی قوم کی تباہی کا ارادہ فرماتا ہے تو اسکی حالت ایسی ہی ہوتی ہے جیسے ہماری اس وقت ہے.
ہر شاخ پی الو بیٹھا ہے انجام ے گلستاں کیا ہوگا
Bilour mixed politics with religion. From the beginning of Ramadan he was advocating to celebrate eid with Saudia. We never know the witnesses who claimed to see moon were bribed or were ANP workers to prove the point of their leader.
Ejaz-ul-Haq remained Federal Minister for Religious Affairs in Musharruf regime and he was speaking on this issue in Kashif Abbassi’s program on ARY an hour ago. He said that he also worked a lot on this issue but the actual fact is that it is an quite old decision of Moulvis Populzai and company of Masjid Qasim Ali Khan that they’d always start Ramadan and celebrate Eid with Saudi Arabia (regardless of the moon sighting in Pakistan) and they are going to listen to anyone else in this respect. In other words, he confirmed that Shahduts presented at Masjid Qasim Ali Khan are always fake and fabricated. He also said that this issue is going to remain like this and it is next to impossible to solve it. Members can watch that discussion when uploaded on this site. There was also an expert from Met dept there in the show and he also confirmed that there was ZERO chance of moon sighting on last Saturday evening. He also confirmed that his dept is extending full assistance to FRHC but noone from NWFP or Masjid Qasim Ali Khan has ever bothered to contact them for their feedback on position of moon.
‘There is no 100% authentic scientific fact on moon sighting and secondly no where all scientists agreed that moon sighting was not possible on saturday.
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A typically absurd statement proving yet again that you dont know anything about astrology.
Can you name a single scientist in the whole world who said that moonsighting was possible in NWFP on saturday?
Perhaps all the scientists of the world are conspiring against pakhtoons of peshawar and mardan. A typically devilish punjabi sponsored conspiracy!!!!!
Or you can take the same convenient position as maulvi popalzai takes that shariah has nothing to do with science so he can not accept scientific evidence.
@ Adonis!
Very well said. We see it in our daily life that hundreds of Shahaduts are recorded in the courts all over Pakistan after taking oath on the Holly Quran but the ultimate authority lies with the Judge of the court to accept or reject the Shahaduts keeping in view the other available evidences and relevant facts about that particular case. You can also hire fake witnesses for your case for a few hundred or thousands rupees who give their statement (Shahadut) in your favor by appearing before the court.
We all know Islam is a religion for all mankind and it is a religion which is most close to the nature. So looking at all available technical and scientific feedback, FRHC has rightly rejected Shahaduts presented at Masjid Qasim Ali Khan. I am waiting for a president from the recent or old history of Pakistan where Ramadan and Eid announced by Masjid Qasim Ali didn’t fall EXACTLY with that announced by the Saudis. I’d withdraw my whole stance on this issue and shall opologize for critisizing Mulla Populzai if someone could give me this evidence.
And yet and equally typically absurd statement proving again after again that you dont know anything about astrology.
Are scientists in countries located east and west of Pakistan not authentic in your little peanut sized brain? Why don’t you answer the questiosn instead of jumping on questioner like a 6 year old kid? Majority of world celebrated Eid before Pakistan and that includes countries located east and west of Pakistan but that requires broadening of one’s intellectual horizon which seems impossible in your case.
Keep your ethnic hatred conspiracy inside your pea sized brain and try to rationalize the situation, if not too much for you. Admit your weakness, don’t run away from it. You may know about Bilour running porns in his cinemas in Peshawar but you have no clue about science of moon sighting, don’t rely on that one particular website -it aint everything on the subject.
I put my case to rest because it seems I am wasting time teaching an old monkey new tricks, old monkeys never learn new tricks -confirmed again.
Forgive me and please don’t waste my time further with your silly rebuttals that lack substance.
Good bye
I still dont understand why ANP … a secular Party , poking his nose in religious controversies??
@Adonis said:
” The matter is very simple, the central ruyyiat committee is saying that they will not accept any witness against scientific fact. All scientists agree that moon sighting was not possible on saturday.”
حدیث شریف میں کسی ساینس کا زکرنہیں۔ سرف ننگی آنکھ سے دو معتبر لوگون کی گواہی کا فی ہے۔ اگر ساینس میں ہی جانا ہے تو مفتی منیب کی جگہ سپارکو کے سربراہ کو رویت حلال کا چیر مین ہو نا چاہہے۔
کیا آپ قاسم علی خان کے لاکھوں نمازیوں کو معتبر نہیں سمجحتے۔ تو پھر اس بحث کا کوی فایدہ نہیں۔
asra said:
اگر ساینس میں ہی جانا ہے تو مفتی منیب کی جگہ سپارکو کے سربراہ کو رویت حلال کا چیر مین ہو نا چاہہے۔
This is the best solution but I do not think your molvis will accept this suggestion. Our scientists should give us full year calendar in the beginning of the year if possible.
This is not a problem only in Pakistan. We face this problem in Canada too. This is first time in Canada that all Muslims celebrated Eid on the same day otherwise every year some Muslims especially Arab Muslims celebrate Eid with Saudi Arabia and some Muslims celebrate Eid after getting Gawahi of moon sighting.
When I was a university student, our teacher, a Christian lady, had announced test on Eid day. Muslim students of my class requested the teacher to postpone the test. She didn’t postpone the test because majority of the students were ready for test on due date. Anyhow she promised to give a new test to Muslim students. When I went to the teacher to get the new date of the test, I was surprised to hear that more than 70% Muslim students had already appeared in the test on Eid day. They told the teacher that they were not going to celebrate Eid on test day. I celebrated Eid on test day but some other students did not. The teacher asked me “Don’t you celebrate Eid on the same day?”. I had no amswer of her question. Anyhow she gave the new date for test as she promised.
The Idiotic leadership of ANP have always acted against unity of Pakistani ppl. Their politics starts with “Pakhtoonistan” and ends with it. They have punjab phobia with no vision to rule. I really think they all should be hanged just like taliban in swat.
They oppose kalabagh dam just to keep their politics alive while all experts throughout the world have approved this dam….. but ANP won’t let it happen.
Why??? because they dont want Pakistan to prosper & be a part of Afghanistan.
Even a student of Islam can tell you that whatever these idiots did with the help of “sold ulamas” was wrong but they never had the head to accept their fault. Previously Molvi fazalullah & Betullah Mehsud were the beloved molvi’s but now they hate them………… but after paying how much cost??? Same will soon happen to m*ther f*ckrs sitting in masjid Qasim. They are “fasadis” as named by Quran & Quran orders to tackle them with power. Mufti Muneeb is doing the right thing.
Shame on our govt who is continuously being black mailed by two linguistic parties (ANP & MQM). Any supporter of Bilore with some head should answer following questions:
1- Why there is a conflict always on Ramdan & Eid ul Fitr moon. Why not on other moons? Eid Ul Adha is one, Eid Milad un Nabi is one, Muharram is one & so are the others. If you want to verify, arrange alternate committed for the whole year & they will all be proved wrong in three months time. Afterall moon is not pakhtoon & does not use niswar.
2- Why in 62 years history of Pakistan, only a small area of NWFP always sees moon (presumably two legged moon in their bed).
3- Who gave the authority to announce Eid to a “unofficial” committee. ANP govt has itself allowed ppl to challenge its writ.
4- Since it was unofficial, any error with their 28- fasting Eid lies on ppl who celebrated premature Eid as they had no official binding to do so. If mufti muneeb makes an error, sole responsibility of entire nation lies on his shoulders and he will be answerable to Allah. But it seems we really dont believe in Allah & want to replace mufti muneeb for not listening to pakhtoons. What happened to previous chairmans??? why was never single Eid in Pakistan’s history before mufti muneeb. central govt must take stand against replacement of mufti muneeb. otherwise there is no end to this.
5- If you don’t believe in SUPARCO, go to NASA or any other space lab to get the verification but please don’t put FASAD on earth in the name of Islam.
I hope some of the pakhtoons will want to fast late for the one they are short.
May Allah Help us all & give us true knowledge of Islam….. Ameen.
@ Bawa
باوا جی ذرا دھان سے
پوری دنیا مے اگر سکھ اور پٹھان کی گواہی قبول نہیں ہے تو یہ مت بھولو کے سارےکے سارے سکھ پنجابی ہے اور پنجابی اپنے آباؤ اجداد کے بارے مے برا نہیں کہتے
بہتر حیی ہوگا کے اس بحث لا حاصل کو کسی اور طرف نہ لے جایا جانے
Once again I would like to say Mullah’s are good for sightation of Moon but ugly on the rest.
Babloo
Bawa, باوا جی ذرا دھان سے
پوری دنیا مے اگر سکھ اور پٹھان کی گواہی قبول نہیں ہے تو یہ مت بھولو کے سارےکے سارے سکھ پنجابی ہے اور پنجابی اپنے آباؤ اجداد کے بارے مے برا نہیں کہتے
بہتر حیی ہوگا کے اس بحث لا حاصل کو کسی اور طرف نہ لے جایا جانے
Dear Babloo, Please tell me which religion is the older in Punjab Islam or Sikhism? sikhism is two or three hundreds years old while Islam is more than one thousand years old in Punjab. How do you say that Sikhs are our forefathers? For your information our forefathers were from Arab states.
@babloo
our forefathers were not sikhs. they were muslims. i guess if i am not wrong ur forefathers were shudars and dalits of uttar pradesh. mayawati is ur aunty. say pranam to her when u c her on tv next time. mqm r dehshatgards in jeans.
There is no harm to celebrate eid as per scientific calculation, atleast it gives you a common ground, but celebrating eid with Saudia is a question mark on common sense basis.
Are not we mature enough to handle such a small things ourself. Saidly we didnt learn any lesson wiht Taliban Fitna. ANP and Masjid Qasim Khan, they are real one who sponsor the fundamentalism in our country.
This Blor failed to start a racis-fight so know he is trying to start a sect fight. There is two law of celebrating eid,1) see the moon in your country 2)the moon is watched in any islamic country. Majorty of Pakistan celebrate after seeing moon in Pakistan, and those who want to celbrate with Saudia can do that. We are all muslims no qadianis. These rasict partys(MQM, ANP, BNP) are always looking for a chance to start a fight among muslims!
it is funny how Jammat Ahmadiyya’s name got involved in this mess!!!…… Ahmadis in Pakistan and in other Muslim countries follow what the govt announces. there is NO Eid day announced from Rabwah or Qadian or London (where Hazoor (ABA) resides) and in rest of the countries…. we go by the lunar calender issued in the start of the year. that calender is scienfically calculated… and dates are exact.
its total stupidity of this ANP leader …… Ahmadis dont get involved in such a mess… and dont stoop to the level of name calling!!
btw…. all the ppl who are offended by this statement… should now understand what we Ahmadis go through when they are called non-muslims and what not!!
In my opinion Mufti Muneeb is very high qualified person. He always talks with logic and he does have people with him from, I guess in pakistan they call it Sparko to tell him about Moon Birth.
If you had gone on the internet on 18th Sep. you would have found that the moon birth had taken place on that day 18th somewhere. But the duration was for such a short while it was not practical to see. If you go by Astrophysics as some have suggested then have the Eid on 19th.
But it was not even in Saudi Arabia. In Saudi Arabia no body watches the moon nor any witnesses are called for. Government decides and every one follows. If Mr. Billour wants to follow Saudi Arabia then he must follow The Government of Pakistan. UlulAmr. Atheeullah wa AtheeulRasool wa UlulAmriha. Follow Allah, Rasool and the ruler of the time.
See how perfect are the Islamic orders. Otherwise it will be anarchy. Mr. Billour, Haji Adeel are all ignorant people and so is that Popalzai of some nondescript places in NWFP. They want to create anarchy so that they can go about with weapons terrorising people. They are just creating divisions in a united Ummah just as Wahabis and Salafis are doing in Pakistan and worldwide. I do not think we can compare a Cinema Running petty politician to an Islamic Scholar Muneeb Ul Rahman. For God’s sake give me a break.
By such stupid things they cannot make a living at home. They go as far as Karachi 1,200 miles away to earn. If they had governed good in their area why would they have gone that far. Having made their own area an Ilaqa Ghair where no body can go and wants to go now they want to make the whole of Pakistan as Ilaqa Ghair where no body should want to go.
the new iri survey clearly shows where the anp stand now in their home town. now even the chand khappay won’t help them save from their extinction. bye bye dinosaur bilour.
ANP leader Ghulam Ahmed Blour is belongs to Qadiani faith, his father Bashir ahmed Blour was also a Qadiani. He is a Hindko speaking and most of the people of Hindko speaking in ANP are governing ANP are Qadianis. Ghulam Ahmed Blour has given aN unbeliveable loss to Pakistan Railway. The loss to Railway was started by A qadiani chairman mr Luit Gen Saeed u Zafar a retired army person who had appointed many senior qadiani officers and who started Railway intellectually.
ANP leader Ghulam Ahmed Blour is belongs to Qadiani faith, his father Bashir ahmed Blour was also a Qadiani. He is a Hindko speaking and most of the people of Hindko speaking in ANP are governing ANP are Qadianis. Ghulam Ahmed Blour has given aN unbeliveable loss to Pakistan Railway. The loss to Railway was started by A qadiani chairman mr Luit Gen Saeed u Zafar a retired army person who had appointed many senior qadiani officers and who started distruction the Railway intellectually.