by Aamir Ghauri
Sitting in a relatively plush Queens Gate apartment a few years ago, I asked late Ms Bhutto how she envisioned her party once she is not around. I still recall her emblazoned eyes and taut response. “People of Pakistan love me and they want me to be the leader of the party.” I told her that was not the answer to my query. She thought her earlier response should suffice.
Call it my immortal idiocy, I have raised this question to many Pakistani politicians ever since. The list is long and should be known to all who would read this article. So there is no point naming them or repeating the replies. It is immaterial whether or not Pakistan People’s Party belonged to Bhuttos. It definitely died the day Ms Bhutto was brutally bulleted in Rawalpindi and buried beside her siblings and father in Nau Dero. She was like a candle to her partymen and supporters. They derived pleasure from hovering around her and she burnt amusingly too. This can be true for almost all of her contemporaries – friends or foes.
Those who, like me, have seen Pakistani politicians from close quarters would agree that all of them, dowdy or dandy, are overly narcissistic. Pakistan’s poor people are the last thing they derive their strength from. They would rather revolve around the Rawalpindi regiments or seek sustenance from the State Department. Democracy is unknown to them as they thrive on dictatorial dishes of power and pelf. Almost all of them have had symbiotic attachment to or penchant for this military dictator or that.
One does not need to be a mathematical genius to predict that Pakistan Muslim-N is nothing without the two Sharif brothers; Pakistan Muslim League-Q is a bunch of nincompoops; Muttahida Qaumi Movement is puppetry par excellence; and the smaller parties are no more than local goons who believe either in blackmail or in some sick sense of historical grandeur. And in the last six decades, Pakistan has seen a mushrooming mélange of reproductive but distinct elite of marshal, mercantile, feudal, clerical or bureaucratic background. Sixty years on they only lecture the people about how the “other” stabbed Pakistan. Offsprings abound in the political wasteland like tadpoles in provincial puddles ready to metamorphose into gallimaufric genii of
no real substance.
It could be years before Bilawal emerges from the debris of his mother’s legacy. But if we apply Ibne Khuldun formulae to Pakistan’s best-known political family, they are already passé. Zulfikar Ali Bhutto was the pinnacle of the family. Benazir had a Machiavellian father and his grave to sell. Bilawal will have a father and his father’s ignominy to contend with. If his mother had one general to fight, he will have an army of opponents to wrestle with. Pakistan will have gone through a lot of blood and tears before the Christ Church graduate-to-be enters the country’s murky political arena. Things would be different. The party would be long disintegrated and people would have found other jugglers to be tricked by.
I am no doomsayer but isn’t it true that almost all of Pakistani politicians are mere talk. The people have been lied to since the word go. The rulers either do not see beyond themselves or do not want to. Looking beyond themselves frightens them. The cushy world of opulence that they have created for themselves is the exact opposite to the one that Pakistani people live in. What the rulers drink or dine is what their people are promised in the afterlife. They loot and plunder, they cheat and defraud, they run away and return with impunity. They hide their wealth in far off lands. They have turned Pakistan into a land where “law grinds the poor and richmen rule the law.”
If the left over political elite does not learn a lesson from what happened to ‘Pakistani Kennedys’, they could go down the same way. Their tormentors could be different but many there are. There is no point lionizing the lizards. Problem with Pakistan is that it has too many politicians who think they are leaders. This confused and self-centered lot is too weak to stand on its two feet let alone face the gargantuan military that is desperate to wind down its presence in governance. Not because it does not love ruling the “bloody civilians” who need “genuine democracy” that can only be given by a general. But because it is finding it suicidal to do so after the failing of its successive coup making generals.
Pakistan, it seems, is ready for government change. The party, many in Islamabad say, it about to be over for the incumbents. Others are too scared to take over. But while Pakistani people need to shed their necrophiliac tendencies, those claiming to be state’s guardian should also desist from indulging in a new phase of wheeling-dealing. Those given the pride and purse by Pakistan should for once feel for the people.
As for Pakistani people, they are unfortunate for having to live under politicians who could not see beyond their noses. In most cases, the noses were too small. The brilliance of Pakistani people remains largely untapped. But whenever given a chance they have performed wonders. After all, making a military dictator run away is no small feat. Musharraf was dismantled not by political opposition but by people’s power. Sad thing is that politicians ganged up too soon to reap the benefits.
People of Pakistan should step forward to claim a stake in the political parties. Even if democracy is merely a game of numbers, a few faces should not be allowed to use it as a placebo to create familial fiefdoms. Other people have done it in many party of the world over and over again. I am more than sure Pakistani people can do it too. They should not allow the disintegration of their political parties into mere teahouses once and if party patriarchs perish. They should step up their efforts to introduce democracy within political parties. The educated middle classes should not sit on the fence and sulk after watching demoralising display of mediocrity on the anarchic media in the name of political debate. Time and tide wait for none, we were told in schools. We need to get involved. Otherwise the military will stand tall as the only organised organisation amid a chaotic, cataclysmic
confusion.
The task might look daunting but is definitely scalable. Dag Hammarskjöld – Swedish diplomat and the second secretary general of the United Nations once said: “never measure the height of a mountain until you have reached the top. Then you will see how low it was.”
Aamir Ghauri is a London-based journalist.
aamoghauri at yahoo dot com
This has been the main problem of Bhutto Family. They know that due to lack of education Pakistani Awam still loves Bhutto’s every bit. Sindhi’s are always 500% behind Bhutto Party. Plus two other communities always vote for Bhutto Party. The reason I am using the term Bhutto Party because if there is no member of Bhutto Family then Peoples Party is not going to win a single seat. Even Zardari, as he carries Bhutto tag, he too gets elected.
In the last two days the discussion which was taking place in Dubai between MQM and Rehman Malik was that Zardari has informed MQM that he doesn’t care about the NRO as he will get the immunity as being President.
The person who is having sleepless nights is Rehman Malik, Jehangir Badr and Raja Pervaiz Ashraf. Rehman Malik was discussing the possibility that if NRO does goes to the Supreme Court then MQM should also punish Zardari too. The latest news are that MQM has agreed in return for heavy ‘Bhatta’. And if MQM does not agree, then Zardari will start calling MQM again being the dirty baby of Gen Zia.
Although in yesterdays ‘Live with Talat’ , Qazi Hussain has said that it will be totally unfair that Zardari should get immunity and others should get punished. And the last words of Talat Hussain was really noticing that it will be really INTERESTING TO SEE THAT AN INTERIOR MINISTER WILL BE ASKING FOR BAIL BEFORE ARREST. And if the Supreme Court does issues warrant for arrest than it is Gen Kiyani’s responsibility to make sure that the Supreme Court Orders are carried out.
And what Aamir Ghauri has said in his article, let me assure Benazir the NRO Wali in the grave that she was right tha even this NRO is rejected by National Assembly the stupid, junglee and jahil Awam of Pakistan will still elect Zardari.
At least Aamir Ghauri did not address Benazir as Shaheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeed. Because she was never Shaheeeeeeeeeeeeeeed for two reasons (1) SHE KILLED HER OWN BROTHER – Murtaza), and (2) She signed NRO – because she knew that people of Pakistan loves ‘Bhutto’ name. Even if She had signed 100 NRO’s, the Sindhi Awam would have elected her.
I hope she is getting good roasting in hell.
The Problem with Pakistan is not that it has too many politicians rather the continuety of elections.
These leaders will be eliminated once the we have 3-4 elections with full 5 years term.
We never let any deocratic gov. to go more than 2-3 years except Bhutto’s.We need to figure out the force hindering the democracy.
We start propagate against an elected Gov right after first year.We cannot tolerate democratic Gov. more that two yearsa and on the other hand we give military to go more than 10 years with ease.
It was wrongly understood that PPP is gone When Bhotto was hanged.Then it was thought when PPP is gone when Leghari dismissed PPP Gove.
PPP will not disappear and will stay against the wishes of few forces working against it since the birth of PPP.
This will remain your wish…………
Regards,
The problem is this majority slave mentality throughout all parties possibly PTI being the exception where they dare not challenge they leaders. The people that do have alternate position to the leadership actually get sidelined because of they differing views. The people who stand up initially to they leadership go completely quiet after being given a cold shoulder ie Javed Hashmi, Safdar Abbasi to name a few.
The people that do stand up to they leadership should go the next step and come out more boldly against they leaders, they never know it may bear fruits, if they never try they will never know.
@JavedKhan
I hope she is getting good roasting in hell…….. SHAME
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It is Almighty Allah who decides…
even you do not know what will happen to you…
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It was BB’s political mistake to sign NRO…I agree.
Regards,
@aftab
I agree that people who stand-up to leadership and challenge them are told to shut up, mainly because both (Benazir) and Nawaz Sharif want to be Prime Ministes themselves.
Particulary in the case of Peoples Party even strong personalities like Jehangir Badr, Babar Awan, Yusuf R Gilani etc knows that if ‘BHUTTO’ tag is not there, then they have absolutely no bloody chance of winning a seat. It’s Bhutto name what matters.
And for this very precise reason Bilawal Zardari is now called – Bilawal Bhutto. And now…. announce that Bilawal is landing at Karachi Airport and you will see 10 million,yes 10 million and I repeat third time, 10 million people will turn up to greet ‘Bilawal’ because his name is now Bilawal Bhutto.
What a stupid nation we are !!!!!!!
this is a non issue….. as long as democracy is there and people love a particular leader or a family…who are we to object….those who don’t like can vote against them….
Family Legacies are everywhere……may it be Gandhis of India,,,,Kenedys ,Bush and Clintons of US or Begams of Bangladesh…..
It is human nature,,,,,,and particularly in subcontinent…. we don’t follow our leaders we just Love them….. so this will not change…lets not waste our time on this
@Pakistan
This is true that what will happen to me – I don’t know, but at least I don’t make a fool of a common poor fellow Pakistani by signing sin documents like NRO, then saying that written agreements are not a word of Hadith ( I heard that live when Zardari said that) and I don’t kill innocent citizens for ‘bhatta’ and throw their bodies in sacks. I didn’t kill innocent people for fun on the roads on 12 May 2007.
And also remember signing the NRO was not just a simple mistake – it was a very big crime and that’s why we are suffering today and lastly it was Benazir who killed Murtaza Bhutto
(with the help of Zardari).
@sahibzada1
All the big names you have mentioned in your article…..how much ‘maal paani’ they made, and how much ‘maal paani’ Bhutto’s have made.
This is the problem we keep re-electing the same people over and over again and let me refresh you memory, every time Bhuttos (and Sharif;s) are thrown out by the Army, the Awam comes out dancing and distribute sweets………….and you will see these scenes again in 2 weeks time.
To understand the nature of a feudalist who was willing to do anything to achieve power in Pakistan and protect her loot for her offspring , one must analyze this very dangerous and criminally insane woman who was raised in the lap of luxury, political drama, partition of the country and mass killings of millions of Pakistanis under the umbrella of a sociopath, narcissist , bigger than life, arrogant and an orator of Hitler’s level, her father Zaliqar Ali Bhutto.
BB was a living contradiction and a complete and open fraud, a woman who grew up as a very liberal, sexual pervert and a hedonistic person started to cover her head to represent the majority pious and religious women of Pakistan. I do not want to get personal, her classmate is one of my close friend, a son of an Indian diplomat and he has talked about quite freely with me about “Pinky”.
I also had an opportunity to spend some time with a Jewish attorney who is a multimillionaire and owns a lot of real-estate in San Francisco and was a classmate of Z.A. Bhutto in UC Berkley, and told me that Bhutto was a womanizer, drug taking alcoholic and a C grade student who abused the money and partied his life away in the University as a typical son of or a feudal from a third world country.(not that I condemn his lifestyle, he was a Prime Minister of an Islamic republic)
Most Pakistanis know about the woman who could speak better English than the Englishmen/women, but never learned the Urdu language, because she hated the Urdu Speaking people and probably looked down upon the majority Pakistani peasants, she claimed to represent.
Read this about the Benazir Bhutto’s last gamble to become in power and the dangerous games she played. Per my mentor Henk Ruyssenaars.
A.Inter Services Intelligence (ISI); grew form the strength of sixty (60) personnel, to its current strengths of an estimated six hundred and fifty to seven hundred and fifty thousands (650,000 ~ 750,000) personnel, largely due to the CIA funding, and the transit fees for drugs.
B. Benazir Bhutto in her initial visit to Pakistan had arranged an aircraft load of supporters to accompany her from Dubai to Pakistan. The air trip started late due to the ’supporters’ celebrations in the aircraft isles, and continued to be a farce included the pilots threats to eject all the unruly passengers whom would not sit in their seats, however the trip was concluded with the passengers running around the isles and celebrating during the landing, and it was followed by a an armoured bus perambulating the nine miles distance for the duration of eleven hours that was finally concluded in the initial bombings.
C- The main reason for B was to show the levels of ’support’ that Bhutto enjoyed, however the fears of people not turning up, and or few turning up were a prime source of worry, for the Anglo US power brokers. Hence it could be argued that the ‘bombings’ were in fact a further attempt in raising the popularity of Bhutto through the sympathy for the ‘underdog’.
D- Although it could be argued that C was a hastily arranged bombing to knock her off her perch, but fact that Bhutto just minutes/seconds prior to the detonations, had moved from the top of the bus, and into the secure armoured plated section somehow does not aid this line of thought.
E- Senator Arlen Spectre was visiting the Pakistan embassy in Washington very early on in the morning, prior to the latest revelations about the ‘magic sun roof handle’ theory getting floated. (JFK Magic Bullet Inventor)
F- Bhutto in an interview with Frost on al Jazeera, goes on record about groups in Afghanistan, and Pakistan as well as the security official in Pakistan who are bent on killing her, and then elaborates about the connections of the security official to Omar Sheikh, who ‘murdered Osama bin Laden’, as a matter of factly, and without any questions from David Frost!
[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIO8B6fpFSQ]
-ttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIO8B6fpFSQ
Note the sentence is at 6:12, however start taking it in from 3:40 on.
G- Bhutto, and her threats to all and sundry in Pakistan, put paid to her dream of getting the US soldiers to back her up in her fight. However the coterie of the strange, and venal supporters do not discount the hit being arranged by the very same bunch of supporters, whom had been given the nod and the wink after her meeting with Hameed Karzai the Mayor of Kabul.
As for the idea that Benazir Bhutto – then still alive – could play a role in stabilizing the country: “Fallon is pessimistic….
For example, Barnett tells us that Fallon was locked away with Pervez Musharaff for hours the day before the Pakistani dictator imposed emergency rule last year. Barnett, hilariously, swallows Fallon’s line that Washington didn’t greenlight Musharaff’s crackdown: “Did I tell him this is not a recommended course of action? Of course.” Yes, Admiral, whatever you say.
But did you tell him there would be any adverse consequences whatsoever from Washington: any cut-off or even diminution of military and economic aid, for example? Of course not. (For a glimpse of hero-worship, here’s how Barnett sets the scene: “As the admiral recounts the exchange, his voice is flat, his gaze steady. His calculus on this subject is far more complex than anyone else’s.” A calculus more complex than anyone else’s in the whole wide world! And certainly more complex than any analysis those ants in Pakistan could come up with themselves.)
To his credit, Fallon then goes on to give the true picture: Washington supported the crackdown because Pakistan is “an immature democracy” that needs a savvy strongman – and American loyalist – at the helm.
As for the idea that Benazir Bhutto – then still alive – could play a role in stabilizing the country: “Fallon is pessimistic. He slowly shakes his head. ‘Better forget that.’” A few weeks later, Bhutto was out of the picture.
Crushing the Ants Admiral Fallon and His Empire
By CHRIS FLOYD
http://eldib.wordpress.com/tag/africa/page/4/
Did the CIA Have Foreknowledge of the Bhutto Hit?
Franklin’s Focus + Henk Ruyssenaars
FPF – December 28th 2007 – Today The Times in London in a story is one of the media writing about the fact that ‘fingers will also be pointed at the Inter-Services Intelligence agency, (ISI) which has had close ties to the Islamists since the 1970s and has been used by successive Pakistani leaders to suppress political opposition. Ms Bhutto narrowly escaped an assassination attempt in October, when a suicide bomber struck at a rally in Karachi to welcome her back from exile.*
Which is logical, seeing the text and links below. Benazir Bhutto was a US/UK plant and a fraud. But another question that came to mind too, is: would in Pakistan a political killing in this fashion take place in the same city as where the Pakistani army, the secret service ISI and president Musharraf have their headquarters, in the Pakistani city of Rawalpindi? Putting the blame and suspicion on their own doorstep?
Well, I don’t think so. But it is of course an excellent way to put all the blame on Musharraf, whom Bhutto with her US junta advisers was supposed to replace at first, and logically Bhutto’s followers want revenge, and thus most likely Musharraf is send to his forefathers. By the same agents who killed Bhutto. The regime change is a fact thereafter, and for the multinational cartel it’s business as usual.
Apart from that: as far as I can remember, I’ve never heard of an assassin who first shoots, killing his victim, and than – even having a gun – finishes oneself and innocent bystanders of with a suicide bomb. The effect is greater that way, and all mainstream media wept crocodile tears. That’s when one ought to get very suspicious and check and double check. And if you look at the links below you’ll surely get the whole picture, which is global.
http://disc.yourwebapps.com/discussion.cgi?disc=234999;article=1777;title=APFN%20MESSAGE%20BOARD
This article is written in vacueme. When we write about parties and raise questions about dynesties, we forget the fact our politics has a permenent charactor known as establishment. We always have pro establishment and anti establishment politicians.
Take the example of Bhuttos, Benazir would have been nothing if she has not challenged establishment in Zia’s brutal Marshallaw. That was a time when leaders like Jatoi, Khar Kausar Niazi and several other senior leader didn’t have courege to face jails and torture. They decided to make under the table deals with generals. This was a time when there was no free media to show what had happened to those who opposed.
People who vote for Bhuttos know what Bhuttos have done not because they are stupid or ” jahils” though they may be poor and don’t have money to purchase degrees from universities to show they were educated.
There are not many in this country who have struggled against the permenant / constand factor that is The Establishment through out their lives. Nawaz Sharief tried but has to made a deal after one year and there he went to Saror Palace KSA.
Imran Khan , Jamat i ISlami and MQM have one thing common they work to promote agenda of that part of establishment who wants no or very limited democracy in Pakistan. If Imran Khan for instance become anti establishment , will see the real face of politics in Pakistan. MQM has seen it some what as one group in establishment went crazy against their own creation. Jamat works just according to Zaiest group and are always find it self in harmony no matter if its associates were found helping those animals who behading Pak Army’s Jawans in Sawat and other places.
@dara
Today our impotent PM Yusuf R Gilani has announced that the NRO has now been completely buried. But Mr Dara you and Mohd Usman are very lucky that you were awarded BB Shaheeeeeeeeed NRO Memorial Award long ago. Please have it framed and keep it in your front room, may be you will have to show to Bilawal Zardari one day – just in case.
Because Zardari is a civilian Sadr so he will not get the Guard of Honour but he will get Rukhsati with Band Baaja……..with non-stop flight to London.
When I saw our corrupt foreign minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi on TV simply falling over himself in praising the Kerry Luger Bill…I was disgusted and knew something was wrong. Then a friend told me that our disgraceful Ambassador Haqqani had arranged to have Qureshi’s son get an internship with John Kerry…then I understood all…talk of conflict of interest at the cost of the nation!!! Simply disgusting!!!
http://images.politico.com/global/news/kureshi-sons-v-card.jpg
@JavedKhan
Allah may see some thing else to grant Jannah which you are not even capable to.
So brother Please do not take the authority to declare some body a Kafair/Sinfull.
You may not better than even a non-muslim,Only He,Allah Subhan, know.
This is the end on my side.
Thanks,
Pakistan – Zinda Bad
Aamir Ghauri
What an excellent piece. Not a thought or word can be added or subtracted. Very insightful and very well put.
@pkpolitics
I wish you would raise the bar to this standard – alright, half this standard?
To me the political hierachy of pakistan is changing, and the sanity will prevail. It is just a matter of time.
i guess its not better to talk about benazir now, she has died so she
can not answer anything anyne says.
people should also be careful about accusing her for any murder or
something. without proof we cant accuse anyone like that.
@javedkhan
you can not accuse someone for murdering own brother.
how you will feel if tomorrow shehbaz sharif is killed and his murder
put on nawaz sharif ?
if murataza bhutoo was killed by benazir, you should also know who
killed liaquat ali khan, who killed mohtarma fatima jinnah , who
killed ZA bhutto , who killed benazir and who killed mqm chief
azim tariq.
can you please tell us who killed all these people so atleast we know
how many killers we have in pakistan.
@concernedamericanpak
you always say jews are conspiring and america is conspiring and american
media is conpiring but you always give reference of their media to prove
your point. you want to take only what you like but what you dont like you
say it is conspiracy of american media. you should prove your facts based
on other sources.
What a shame to this gentleman who is saying rather telling a lie of the decade that Mohterma Shaheed killed her brother and she also signed the NRO. Come on Mr., do you find any case against her in any court and what can I say about your information about NRO. National Reconciliation Ordinance, so, any ordinance should be issued/signed by the President and please correct yourself that Mohterma Shaheed was not the President of Pakistan. Mud slinging would not improve your common sense. I think, niether you nor Amir is in position to give Fatwa about any one. Pakistan Zinda Baad
@ibrar mir
You asked about any cases against Benazir. For you information, She had been CONVICTED in Swiss case.
Following news items will be good for you to start with
Judgment of Swiss magistrate in SGS, Cotecna case
http://www.assetrecovery.org/kc/node/2fb39f42-5114-11de-bacd-a7d8a60b2a36.0;jsessionid=3D1439D6CB871ECA81351F2B58C59D7E
When you have finished reading this, we will be in a better position to talk on this issue.
Foreign cases that could haunt Bhutto
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/7064052.stm
Excellent article.
The forces of NATURE and the forces of HISTORY are the ones that will bring forth any changes though.
EXAMPLE-
there has been an assumption that the poor can continue to live in poverty and the filth that comes in un-sanitary conditions and the well to do can live in their clean environment.
Well, Swine Flue and bird flue comes from the filth(where the poor live) and it affects everyone . Now the Europeans and the Americans and the Saudis want to do everything to keep this swine flue away from the SWINE !.
The mutations of the bugs taking place at this very time will have a great deal to say what is going to happen in this world and Pakistan.
So if we wish to improve things we must first improve the condition of those that are at the bottom.
Though it is true that Pakistan has changed in many ways and the current group of politicians do not get it- it is equally true that another group of corrupt people will replace them.
It is not important that only the politiciaANS CHANGE -what is needed is leaders that have improvement of Pakistan as their aim rather than getting rich.
And finally , Bilawel’s future is the same as that of the son of the Shah of Iran or even worse. I hope he is smart enough to know that.
There you go, another mess of some gentleman. Dear sir, somebody sdaid that Mohterma Sahaheed killed her brother. So, I asked that have you found any case against her about that killing and you are reffering to that SGS case. Is that SGS case about Shaheed Mir Murtaza Bhutto case which is filed in Swiss Courts. But you people only like to pose yourself a negative and aggressive citizens of nowhere.
Mr. A.Ghouri has done a very good job of stating all the facts very candidly & frankly. Many non-politicians especially journalists have expressed their thoughts in every media since long but no one seems to learn any lesson.
@ Javedkhan
You have tried to be personal in past as well, but don’t worry i won’t. Yes BB is Shaheed and so in ZA Bhutto. This country is looted more by military and Civilian Bureaucrates then any one along with Mullahas.
@mhali said:
@concernedamericanpak
“you always say jews are conspiring and america is conspiring and american
media is conpiring but you always give reference of their media to prove
your point. you want to take only what you like but what you dont like you
say it is conspiracy of american media. you should prove your facts based
on other sources.”
Ignorance is a word which comes to mind but in your case, you are a habitual complainer and you have chosen to share your illogical rants, unfortunately against me. I told you before, stop wasting my time by your childish personal attacks. Grow up and learn to accept other peoples opinions or if you do want to disagree than do some research before
Throwing blanket statements.
I have good Jewish friends, whom I went to university and junior collage with. Jewish people are just like us, some are religious fanatics like our religious loon and some are normal rational people. I always talk about the Zionist Jews, and I condemn all warmongers of the world.
Most of my references are from the free media or not all in a country of 300 million are controlled by the Zionist media empire. You simpleton Henk Ruyssenaars is a freelance Dutch reporters who is an old man fighting cancer and still writing against the wars and the international criminals for free. He has worked for all the European media outlets as a reporter and covered many wars especially the middle east conflicts and he wrote in favor of Palestinian people and against the European involvement in those wars and had death threats and an attempt on his life.
But a person who is so captivated with an undereducated, British cheep political whore, a man who feels powerful in front a phone and yells at his captivated audience from safety of his home, a British Sheep Dog herding his sheep from long distance, an undereducated, foul mouth, psychopath, serial killer and a known criminal is your hero, or you defend Asif Ali Madari, a shameless, soulless human garbed. You have no time to see what else is going around the world and who else has something to say, because as a parasite, you get all your information and orders from you ethnic Mafia Boss and you follow them like an obedient sheep. Grow up and start reading other points of view.
Could someone please write down the full List of the Beneficiaries of the NRO, I understand there are about 30 people.
P.S. Don’t give the names of number 1 & 2, that we already know. I want to know from #3 to #30. This is a serious request, because I want to know if Babar Awan, Jehangir Badr, Sherry Rehman, Qamar Kaira and Fauzia Wahab is also on that list. And who is from MQM. Kindly treat this as Urgent.
Thanking you all in advance.
@DARA
Yes BB is Shaheed and so in ZA Bhutto. This country is looted more by military and Civilian Bureaucrates then any one along with Mullahas.
This country is looted by eveyone who had a chance, nobody is exception but,
Whats the definition of SHAHEED?????????
In todays world everyone is shaheed. People who loot the wealth of nation, who deprive poor and helpless people from living are all SHAHEEDs. KALA CHOR bhi shaheed hy.
its so ridiculous when somebody says BB shaheed came to Pakistan for poor people,
she came for Power, she came for money, she came for corruption again, but nature was planning something else.
I pray that Allah may rest her soul in peace.
@whoruwhy said:
Shame on you to misquote Quran’s verse . This is a typical of the Christen loons and the Zionists to make Islam as a religion of hate and intolerance. All the Quran’s verses were written due to the situation in hand and picking up one small passage can be misleading.
Since I do not claimed to be a religious scholar, but as a Muslim student of the Islamic studies class in high Scholl, I always got top marks in the class on the subject matter , my understanding is that the verses were God’s communication and advise to the holly prophet about the given situations, when a group of people betrayed his trust and were enemies to that Muslim community, God sent the message to be careful from those people at that time.
You are the first Muslim who has done that otherwise I have to defend Islamic verses quoted by the non believers and had to explained them with great pain and effort and references about their interpretation vs. the majority Muslim moderates. You are a shameless defender of some one of your kind? and are using Quran to confront a “nobody“ an average person who loves his country of birth, I am not worthy to be needing Quran’s verses to discard me.
You dumb person I feel sorry for you to bring religion in a political form and using one of the most quoted by the Muslim haters and controversial passages from Quran to justify your unnecessary personal opinion. I have never used God’s wrath as a threat or has never heard of it, but you are a special mental degenerate who uses the merciful God as your weapon of hate. Again shame on you, you could have just said that you did not agree with me and could have given the reasons or examples for me to learn.
@Aftab Ahmad said:
“This country is looted by eveyone who had a chance, nobody is exception but,
Whats the definition of SHAHEED?????????”
Anyone who dies for the cause of these grave worshipers and MQM commandos, which is the share of the loot by their “Holly Leaders” , will be considered Shaheed. It is a typical gang mentality, and the deaths of gang members or the gang leaders are looked upon as heroic deaths. Altaf’s divorce was also considered her wife’s fathers Body Bag “Shahadet”, but luckily he survived or being unlucky that he is not a Shaheed?
My friend the MQM commandos and PPPP grave worshipers and NS the tax cheat, his blind followers, will start personal attacks on you and will not believe or refuse to believe any logic or any documentation or even if you bring a video to prove your point they will say’s it is fake or the lord all mighty gave the special pass to their holly ethnic and family, personality, religious based “God Fathers “, “God Bhai’s” or God “Shahhedees” to getaway with all the crimes because of their special statues in the heart of their followers the humans in a sheep’s form.
Today I was threatened by the wrath of God, to shout me up, some MQM commandos, who wish to turn me into a body bag, due to lack of reach they are calling me names to defend the honor of their God” Bhaia” from London and PPPP grave worshipers could have me burnet alive with the help of their collating of criminals in Karachi.
Even last weekend one MQM sympathizer told me that they just married a daughter of a prominent MQM leader and upon his meeting with them, they asked him that, “do you want to kidnap or have someone killed in Karachi, just let us know“.
I was shocked at his statement and all the other majority Urdu Speaking friends agreed with him and told me that he now is very powerful person in Karachi. By my criticism of the MQM “Dog Father” the sheep Dog of London who herds his sheep telephonically, he said that if you go to Karachi, I will have you killed. I laughed it off, he is an old friend of mine and a great guy, but their politics is like religion and their Altaf Bhai and Bhutto Ghosts are Prophets for them. The MQM?PPPP Commando just misquoted Quran and was threatening me by the wrath of “MQM God”, wow…………
“As for Pakistani people, they are unfortunate for having to live under politicians who could not see beyond their noses. In most cases, the noses were too small. The brilliance of Pakistani people remains largely untapped. But whenever given a chance they have performed wonders. After all, making a military dictator run away is no small feat. Musharraf was dismantled not by political opposition but by people’s power. Sad thing is that politicians ganged up too soon to reap the benefits.”
The writer is using baby gloves in an arena full of death, destruction, poverty, lack of basic commodities, electricity, water, sugar, wheat, 50% medication in Pakistan are fake and actually harmful if taken, substandard education and no governance.
Security situation is one of the worse in the world and our leading politicians are compromised criminals who are spending the time making deals with each other , in Pakistan and most of the time outside of the country. The opposition is like a second wife who is willing to wait as long as it takes to sleep with the devil and enjoy the power grab.
Pakistan is like a women who has been gagged, abused, starved, beaten up and the leaders are taking turns to rape her and people like NS is willing for the sloppy seconds. His political strategy is to be an honorable rapist and since he is second in line the chance is the women still be alive.
MQM commandos, PPPP grave worshipers, PML-N and ANP Family and ethnic Mafia followers and the Martial law fan’s, instead of condemning people like me you must look at where Pakistan is standing compare to the rest of the world. Granted MQM is continually in power for past ten years, also PML-N, ANP and PPPP in one way or other had a chance to change the situation.
What is prosperity, and how is it achieved?
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Creating the Index
Now in its third year, the 2009 edition of the Prosperity Index ranks 104 nations according to nine building blocks of prosperity, which we have identified through extensive research and analysis:
• Economic Fundamentals
• Entrepreneurship and Innovation
• Democratic Institutions
• Education
• Health
• Safety and Security
• Governance
• Personal Freedom
• Social Capital
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The scores arethen ranked to produce the overall ranking.
Rankings
Finland tops this year’s Index, with the United States ranking ninth, ahead of large European nations such as Britain, Germany and France, which all still make the top 20. Finland is narrowlyahead of Switzerland, Sweden and Denmark. Zimbabwe ranks last, following Yemen and Sudan.
Pakistan is in bottom 10 in the world, at number 99
95 Kenya
96 Algeria
97 Tanzania
98 Nigeria
99 Pakistan
100 Cameroon
101 Central African Republic
102 Yemen
103 Sudan
104 Zimbabwe
Top ten.
1 Finland
2 Switzerland
3 Sweden
4 Denmark
5 Norway
6 Australia
7 Canada
8 Netherlands
9 United States
10New Zealand
What does the Prosperity Index tell us? Its value is found not only in its global rankings but also in what it can tell us about how prosperity is created.
The following are ten key findings of the Prosperity Index:
1. Prosperous countries are strong across the board. Prosperous countries which lead the Index do well in all nine sub-indexes, indicating that the foundations of prosperity reinforce each other.
2. Entrepreneurs at the micro level need good economic policies at the macro level. Innovation and entrepreneurship are more strongly related to economic fundamentals than any other factor in a society. Aspiring entrepreneurs will often hit a “ceiling” limiting their success if a nation’s economy is not fundamentally strong.
3. Freedom cannot be divided. While some nations seek to allow one aspect of freedom while restricting other aspects, prosperous nations respect freedom in all of its dimensions: economic,political, religious, and personal.
4. Prosperity is concentrated in the North Atlantic – for now. Sixteen of the top 20 most
prosperous countries sit in North America and Europe.
5. History is not destiny. Highly ranked nations include those with a long history of productive economies, effective and limited government, and social capital. Yet several other nations rank high that not long ago were afflicted with poverty, oppression, and unhappiness.
6. Good governance is central to life satisfaction and economic progress. Countries in which sound governance creates satisfied citizens are also the most likely to have the healthiest economic fundamentals and the most entrepreneurial societies.
7. Prosperity means security. Security and safety function as both a cause and an effect of overall prosperity. A secure nation enables its citizens to flourish without fear of attack or harm, and prosperous citizens provide the financial resources and social capital to maintain safety and security.
8. Happiness is … opportunity, good health, relationships, and the freedom to choose who you want to be. The highest levels of overall life satisfaction are reported in countries which score best in the areas of health, safety, personal freedom, and social capital.
9. Strong communities are better than weak governments. Some countries with ineffective
governments still score well on social capital, indicating that healthy networks of families and friends play an essential role in helping a nation function.
10. It’s true that money can’t buy happiness … unless you are poor. Only in the poorest countries do increases in income have a significant effect on people’s life satisfaction.
Don’t you think that there is a time for change. We must work together and come up with ideas to change the current failed political system. We should grow out of the Ethnic, family based, regional and personality cult based politics and should not make any person, organizations, or groups as a sacred cows.
@concernedamericanpak
anyone reading your postings here regularly knows that there are two things
in those postings. one is bashing against all political leaders and parties except
Nawaz sharif. no matter what the issue is you start talking against PPP ,MQM
Musharraf and calling them name.
I explained before that if you combine them together they have the support
of majority of pakistan people. so you dont look at those facts.
the other thing you do is try to call names to people here as well. you have to
answer the facts by facts. not by calling others names.
i know you are big NS supporter or you are support of the “idealogy” what NS
representing. the supporters of that idealogy sometime think that NS is not
capable of achieving the target so sometimes they hide behind imran khan.
but back of the mind they know that actaully they are supporting NS. imran
khan also doing the same thing. he is making NS job easy by doing all the
dirty work for him. tv chanells are using him to do the same cursing work
against everyone except NS. if imran khan is going to change the system why
he is sitting with NS and supporting him. why he does not talk about NS money ?
in pakistan there are two idealogy , one is “iqbal ka pakistan” and one is “Quaid ka
pakistan” NS+Imran khan represents “Iqbal ka pakistan” and PPP , MQM , musharraf
represent “Quaid ka pakistan” , they are two different idealogy . you have
to tell which pakistan you support, quaid ka pakistan or iqbal ka pakistan.
also remember that pakistans was formed by Quaidey azam not allama iqbal.
allama iqabal was just a poet who died in 1937 much before even pakistan
resolution was passed.
also if you know too much about paksitan, can you please tell us who killed liaqat
ali khan, who killed fatima jinah, who killed bhuto , who killed murataf bhutto
who killed benazir bhutto, who killed azim tariq. and also see what is common
in all of them ? the common thing is that they belong to the group of “Quiad ka
pakistan”. where you seem to belong to “iqbal ka pakistan”.
also, if you go and read the facts, iqbal key pakistan main bangladesh was not
included initialy and later we saw they were excluded also.
so rather then blaming americans and british we have to see who is killing
all these leaders in pakistan and why and also who did not give govt to
east pakistan people when they won the elections ?
@Dara
What about those thousands of poor innocent citizens who were killed by Al-Zulfiqar Terror Group which was set-up by Murtaza Bhutto-Shahnawaz-Benazir in Kabul and carried out Bomb Blasts, rocket attacks and PIA plane hijacking and killing innocent passengers. All these Talibans and Afghans are ex-members of Al-Zulfiqar Terror Group and now we all are suffering. I hope Benazir is getting good rosting in hell.
No one is Shaheeeeeeeeeeed in Bhutto family, how funny that you called Shahnawaz Bhutto a Shaheed who was poisoned by his own wife.
Benazir killed Murtaza Bhutto (with the help of Zardari) and you called him Shaheed.
@ javedkhan
i disagree with noone, zulfiqar ali bhutto was murdered.
his sins include the inauguration of the nuclear program, unprecedented effort to unite the muslim world and above all the feeling of equality he gave to the ordinary ppl of pak. For the 1st time the ordinary pakistani thot he was actually a human being just like the well off plus the way he got us out of the 1971 situation n made us proud pakistani once again. He was murdered for this n so was a shaheed.
dont think im a jiala or anything, i hate the ppp from the core of my heart but i believe bhutto did a great service which was wasted by his daughter n what his son in law has done is like urinating on his grave
Well in my opinion you should not spend your valuable time to find out why Bhuttos are called Shaheed. Because this might get/cause you some blood pressure or other health problems. We respect your hatred but at the same time we also pray to Almighty Allah to give you strength in order to overcome this nonsense. Let me give you some more information about Motherma Shaheed Benazir Bhutto that she was the founder of Missile Technology in Pakistan. So, don’t you think that we should pay tribute to our founders & all times great leaders rather than making some unnecessary issues against them. Basically I don’t like to do these things otherwise people would not be talking about me but they should be talking about my parents!!!!!!!!!!!! GOD Bless our Home Land Pakistan and you people as well.
agreed with Bilal, that ZA bhutto did some good things for the country.
As per me (MEREY MUTABIK) constitution of 1973 was his biggest achievement.
he had got somewhat the qualities of a leader, butttttttttttttttttttttttt
he was more inclined towards evil things.
and he did much more damage to this country than he did good to it.
and one more thing i always wonder is why “poor of this country” still worship him
His charm is still on, even though no one in this country ever get
ROTI
KAPRA aur na hi
MAKAAN
this slogan is still on top and still “poor people of my country” consider this somebody will give them ROTI, KAPRA AUR MAKAAN someday
Constitution of 1973 was not the biggest achievement of ZA Bhutto infact it was his leadership that made majority of people in the rural areas understand that they have rights and if they stand and ask they one day will get it. You see all these millions of Pakistanis living abroad, how did they get to build their lives? It was on his direction that a streamlined ID card and passport process was accomplished on the one hand, Universities and Technical Colleges were overhauled and newly built from where thousands of men and women of Pakistan were churned out ready to take on any challange. This is why people saw and loved. He may be evil for the elite and political goons of PNA at his time but the fact is that he truly set up the infrastructure which till today is helping Pakistan in a great way. Tell me which new government university or technical college has been set up….have you seen any new steel mill after Bhutto, or have you seen any new heavy mechanical complex where thousands of pakistanis are working day and night….even PIA and Railways were the best of the best in his time….and what more 90000 Pak Soldiers who surrendered to Indian forces and gave up defending East Pakistan were brought back from Indian Concentration Cells….and to protect Pakistan Nuclear Program was initiated…
Hell man I will choose Z A Bhutto any day over any of the looney leaders of today. Those who use Roti Kapra Makan as a rhetoric can do so because of Zardari’s inability to provide leadership to PPPP and Pakistan but it does not mean that People of Pakistan who have lived through Z A Bhutto’s era forget that in his time Pakistan was nicknamed Asian California and was tipped to be the economic mainstream power of the region.
If Rehman Malik is prepared to become Masood Mahmood #2 , and tell us who killed Murtaza Bhutto, Benazir and Khalid Shahinshah, then a safe passage to London can be arranged, but he will have to leave behind all the plots money and commissions earned behind.
I have observed the role being played by the PM Yusuf R Gilani and have concluded that the PM Yusuf Gilani should be fired too. Actually very cleverly he is safe guarding Zardari and Salman Taseer. Particulary on the high profile attacks such as attacks on Sri Lankan Team, Police Academies, GHQ, Peshwawar Blast……the PM has been dangerously quiet. Although in his first address to the National Assembly, he gave the orders to release all the Judges but He was not keen in restoring them. Please be advised that the Chief Justice was only restored by the Public Pressure of the Long March and Gen Kiyani phoned Zardari to restore Chief Justice.
PM Yousuf Gilani has played no role in the development of the Country other than simply protecting Zardari. He must understand that with Rehman Malik, Salman Farooqi, Raja Parvaiz Ashraf, Babar Awan and Salman Taseer still on their posts, this PM will remain ineffective.
PM must fire all the corrupt Ministers and should not allow them to escape. (Only Rehman Malik is allowed to leave as Masood Mahmood #2) if He tells us who Killed Murtaza Bhutto, Benazir and who is behind Sri Lankan Team Attack .
@Aftab Ahmad – Yes ZIA did good for the country (which can be seen today)
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@tmukhtar
I fully Agree….
@tmukhtar
Please add one more to all these.
- Student Identity Card and National Book Foundation: the purpose of NBF was to publish foreign book localy at cheap prices.
- Passport for ordinary person wa a mere a dream before 1972.
- Steal Mill.
Regards,
@tmukhtaar
i agree with you. bhutto was very talented and strong leader and army killed
him through courts on the request of USA. entired world that time requested
to pakistani president (Zia hul haq) to pardon his death sentence even though
court had given him but zia ul haq did not listen to anyone.
where was the civil society and lawyers that time. Eitezaaz hasan played traitor
that time as well as he is playing now. he joined hands with PNA against bhutto
and he refused to fight the case of bhutto. then he joined benazir in 1988 again.
and now he is playing traitor again against ppp and joined hands with army.
courts had played in the hands of army then and killed bhutto. he was elected
prime minister of pakistan and he had won the elections again. but usa did not
want him power so zia ul haq was used against him and an elected prime minster
was arrested and later hanged to death. we dont talk about that, our courts are
always army hands and again now they are doing same thing. removing all
cases against NS and opening all closed cases against PPP.
if judiciary is working for people how judiciary removed all cases against NS ?
everyone knows he is corrupt convicted hijacker but judiciary removed
all cases against him.
in 1990s two time benazir govt was terminated but supreme court did not restore
it but it restored NS govt when same president terminated its govt.
No PPP leader ever attacked or worked against any instituation of pakistan including
army. but NS removed two democratically elected govts with the help of ISI, then
he removed two presidents, then he attacked supreme court then he hijacked plane
of army chief of paksitan. but suprem court removed all cases against him.
read the judgement of same chaudhry bench in 2000 when NS govt was terminated
by army. that time he accused NS for so many big crimes like bribing judges , attacking
supreme court and politicizing army. high eleve of corruption. but now same judge
is saying all that was wrong. his own decision was wrong.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/12730582/Zafar-Ali-Shah-Case
political leaders change policies and statement with the situation that is fine , but
how come court which words based on laws can change its own decisions ? then
which decision we should believe ?
PPP is poor people’s party so that is why always receiving end. same with MQM, they
are always at receiving end. ruling elite support people who are not supported by
common man and then impose on pakistan.
25 years from 47-71, there were no elections in pakistan and when one party won
the elections they were not given the govt. and everything when PPP wins the
majority by the votes of the people they are not allowed to run the govt.
how come all mujib ur rehman, ZA bhutto, benazir bhutoo, altaf hussan, murata
bhutto, pervez musharraf, and zardari, how come all these people are wrong at
the same time and people like yahya khan, zia ul haq , hamid gul, NS and imran
khan like people are right in pakistan who have no support of any common man
and have not done anything good for pakistan.
pakistan is captured by one ruling mafia who will not allow people of pakistan to
have any say. they use different slogans everytime to remove popular elected
govt of majority of pakistan. sometime they use religion, sometime azad adliya
slogan sometimes security. but result is same. keep the power.
@tmukhtar
you provided a long list of mr Bhutto’s good things, but if asked a much longer list of
his evils can be compiled very easily.
@mhali
why you supporters of PPP always cry out loud that PPP is not allowed to rule the country. If you calculate you will find out that PPP has ruled the country much of the time (except military rule) PPP is responsible for their own misconduct, but after their corruption and mismanagement they blame on all other things like judiciary, establishment, military, and so on and so forth.
if PPP govt was dismissed two times, same times did it happen to Nawaz’s govt also.
when Benazir made a DEAL with miltary JUNTA of that time, what you will say about that??
when PPP led by Zardari made “Dogar’s Supreme court” a puppet, what was that mr. mhali??
everyone in this country made mockery of every institution.
we should fight to put a STOP to this habit, and not to justify someone’s SINS for their own’s.
Benazir is dead, she was murdered, it was no doubt a sad thing to happen.
PPP is in charge now, PPP is enjoying control of government. but can you tell me what PPP has done to catch the culprits behind this brutal murder of your so called SHAHEED BB.
and in future you (PPP) will cry that BB was killed in Punjab and blah blah blah…….
Nawaz sharif also seems like “Power ka Pujaree”, he seems interested only in becoming
premier for the 3rd time and keeping his mouth shut.
Dear brother Aftab, I hold no political association infact I only responded to a notion in your earlier post that why poor people keep on getting trapped in rhetoric of Roti, Kapra, Makan. This is the reason why I put togather my feelings and those of what my forefathers thought and discussed at home the good things Bhutto did for Pakistan. Yes it is probably very easy to put togather a huge list of evils of the political structure at that time but as dear @mahali put it rightly, Bhutto was an elected leader, chairman of the OIC and the most popular politician which was murdered by Army-Judiciary alliance of the time. And in my view, brother Aftab, he has only left good deed for the Pakistanis. For all his evils and evils of the later PPP governments, I believe, Judiciary should have been hold responsible for not providing any relief to affectees. Let us see what our new political manifests have to provide Pakistan with…..jury is out on them – but hope which Z A Bhutto gave us is still there.
Dear @mhali and @Pakistan
If we had GEO, Dunya and AAJ TVs at that time then I am sure we would have had “Kushkhabri News” break every week, because of the way people of Pakistan were mobalised and energized, everthing seem to be possible and gettable. It was such a great feeling when despite all the odds Karachi opened up for Pakistani’s coming from former East Pakistan…no one called them Muhajirs at that time…they were all just like us, Patriotic Pakistanis who bravely defended Pakistan against all odds. Chalo Chalo Dubai Chalo ….. and everyone was ready for hardships to go there and send money back home.
Look Gilget-Baltistan has been incorporated into Pakistani mainstream for the first time. It is such a massive achievement in itself but initially there was so much uproar and criticism of this action by biased media and political parties belonged to former IJI. But now they have realised that going to people and asking their trust is the only way to serve this nation. It is quite unfortunate that our Imran Khan bhai and PTI is totally off the news from Gilgit-Baltistan political exercise. And then later they will cry foul……
@ Aftab Ahmad.
It reminds one of a story of an address to a mammoth rally by late Z.A.Bhutto when he was fed up of people demanding a share in the “pie” by the ghareeb awam, at the time when he started addressing large political rallies.
Thus, he is said to have uttered the famous words : ye meree ‘parti’ nahin, ghareebon kee ‘parti’ hai or whivh was said to be meaning as follows, in Punjabi language by saying the word ‘parti’;-
TO BE ‘TORN APART’ & not the English word ‘PARTY’; or thus meaning that it was not Z A B’s ‘bottom’ that was torn apart by the ‘PPP’ but of the ghareeb awam whose ‘bottom’ was BEING TORN APART by the ‘people’ themselves.
The Problem with Pakistan is not that it has too many politicians rather the continuety of elections and the exposure by the media of the real faces of these politicians. I think it is about time the media both print and electronic should let the past go. The should stop airing past sorrow events that shook Pakistan. This will not get our country anywhere. This is where I say that our journalists need training before they are put on crucial positions where their words directly affect the people of Pakistan.
@ sabazbagh
thori ziadti ker gaye hain bhai … kuch bhi ho woh barray hain hamaray ….
I agree to Aftab Ahmad…. that his evil list is much longer ….
and even if not only one thing of him is more for me to not to suport him and that is the snatching of contentment … “jalao gherao … 21 khandan ….. ameeron se cheeno ghareebon ko do ….” and nation has been ruined …..
still my point is … we should respect elders …. even if they are bad or corrupt in your eyes …….. “Ashfaq Ahmad’s ideology”
un ka jo ka ha unhon ne nahi kia .. hamara kam barron ki izat kerna ha aur choton pe shafqat … kia hum apna kaam ker rahay hain …..?
@ JavedKhan
andhi taqleed .. andhi muhbat … andhi nafrat …
islam aur shariya ki roo se BB shaheed hain … (shahed e asghar)
aaap kisi alam e deen se pooch lain ….
“Sshame on you to disregard Quranic verses and telling me that it is mis-quoted. They are word of Allah and are very clear. But you are a liar, in your response to @mahali you said you bloody study high school with JEWS and now you are flipping your ass and telling me you have studied Islamic subjects in school.”
Dear w, You are a misguided soul and a person who does not no the American education system. I never said that I went to high School in USA, I said, Junior collage and university. You can scroll up and look at it.
“I have good Jewish friends, whom I went to university and junior collage with.”
My language is full of sarcasms and use cretin words which actually define the person action metaphorically. You have gone commando on me and the same person who acts like an expert in Quran using such foul language does not make any sense.
Seems like you are trying to defend @mahali, and doing so you are willing to cross any line.
“Your evil zionist propaganda about Pakistan being a non-islamic state will not succeed here.”You bloody Jew backside licker what the hell you think Pakistan is a Zionist state where Politics should have nothing to do with Islam???” You degenerated sick mind”
I am shocked that writing against the political ethnic and family Mafia’s of Pakistan and a serial killer Altaf Bhai is “evil Zionist propaganda”.
As a Muslim you are showing quite interest in Zionist Asses and defending another man with so much passion has your inner Gayness written all over.
I sent you a similar response but the Admin chose to sensor me and kept your ass ridden comment.
Your anger and foul language does not bother me but your use of holly Quran to justify holly wars against the Jews and Christians make you a very dangerous person for the Muslim communities in the world.
This Web Site is read by many different people and your degreased and careless use of and coating of Quran’s verses will be used as an example of intolerant and warmonger Muslims on the simple basses of religious differences.
Please feel free to call me more names but avoid the use of Quran in your mentally demented messages.
@concernedamericanpak
i guess you should seriously look at the language you use on this post.
I dont know how moderator posts your all comments and not post our comments
which are mainly based on facts but may be having different point of view what
is not allowed here.
most of my comments are not posted here even though they are fine. but your
comments are always posted even though the language of your comments
is not civil.
I am not sure what is the purpose of this forum if we can not discuss different
point of views and language like this is allowed here.
i dont know if this comment will also be posted.
@mhali
If you notice I do not get involve and use this form as a tool for chatting with other people and have the personal opinion as the main reason to express myself.
Could you please stop addressing me in the future and stay with the due purpose of this site to get Pakistani people involve in political debate.
Since you and your kind will not agree with me and are going on an offensive by using offensive language about me the messenger.
It will be wise for us to divorce from our “discussion” status.
Do not talk to me again, and I will ignore you, because I have tried hard to converse with you and you keep coming back with same baseless allegations and are keep repeating yourself. Now you have your friends and family involved to discard my opinions.
Stop begging PKP for yourself, they sensor me just like anyone else. I even have written harsh criticism of the young men and they have the courage to print it.
It’s not them the issue, it is you. Do not respond to me and since you are showing a personal interest in me , if you can not control the urge , please do it for the last time.
Have your fan club to agree with you and you have total respect from me to express yourself freely, its up to the mature readers to agree or disagree with our opinions.
I hope if you have iota of commonsense and shame, you will stay out of my way and continue your crusade of love for the current failed political setup and enjoy the agreeable fan club. I can have a political debate for rest of eternity and can keep exchanging foul language, but it will not solve anything. Again , leave me alone MR? Miss? Or whatever the hell kind of creature you are.
@mhali
If you want that all your comments should be included here(and not moderated) than you must use the word Shaheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeed with everything.
@concernedamericanpak
few things to note here.
i did not say anything about your point of view, everyone has the right to have
any point of view and has the right to support anyone. i do not disagree with you.
but if you read my message i was talking about the language which is used in
posts. we can be against anyone based on facts and we should try to use facts
and civil language to express our point of view. which looks more civilized way
to discuss things. if everyone starts calling names to each other it does not look good.
so it was about langauge not point of view.
the second thing is i m not sure why my certain comments are not posted. i dont see
any reason for that as i also have right to support anyone and be against of anyone
based on facts. and i usually explain the facts. may be they are not in line with the
common perception. most of the times perception is different then reality. i talk
mostly about reality and facts but not sure why my comments are not posted.
the third thing is only i was not engaging you, sometimes you answer to my post
and sometimes i answer to your posts. so if you do not want to answer to any
particular post and engage anyone that is fine with me. but i can still address other
people who are more interested in discussion based on facts.
i do not support any particular party. i see who is more capable and have good
intentions to do better for country. if country is good everyone is good and if
country is suffering everyone will suffer.
sometimes political arguments are made based on personal likes dislikes and hatered
and i do not do that. i see where country is going and who is good for country.
if someone will say current govt is not good i will agree. but same person should
also agree that pakistan in previous govt was doing good. but if someone wants
to accept one fact but not other then it becomes the issue of personal liking which
i dont agree with .
I think it will be best if we make the government term 3 years only (Same as some other western countries). It will take them some time to settle once elected and before they know there will be elections. That will make them work harder and less pressure from the opposition too as opposition know that all they have to do is wait a few years only.
What do you guys think?. If enough people say yes, we can request the Admin to do a poll.
To the jialas mentioning Pakistan steel mills as one of ZAB’s contributions, the project was actually started in Ayub Khan’s time. It was continued by Yahya and ZAB, and hhappened to reach its completion in Zab’s period. Giving him al the credit for it is just ridiculous
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