l Islamabad Tonight – 14 January 2010 | Pakistan Politics
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  • Khalid Wasti said:

    ایجنسیوں سے زیادہ میڈیا نے ایک منفی صورت حال کو پھیلانے کا کردار ادا کیا ہے ۔
    ۔۔۔۔۔۔ جاوید جبار ۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔

  • Khalid Wasti said:

    منفی پراپیگنڈا کرنے میں میڈیا کی بد نیتی سے زیادہ میڈیا کی نااہلی کا تعلق ہے ۔
    ۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔ جاوید جبار ۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔

  • tariqhussain said:

    @Khalid Wasti

    You PPP walas should be thankful to these brave and honest journalist who dare to discuss such issues and highlight significance of institutional roles, defined limits etc. which your government has pathetically failed to do.

    I watched whole programme due to presence of Javed Jabbar and he elequently said role of media is to highlight corruption and poor governance. When media does so you people become frightened.

  • Khalid Wasti said:

    جاوید جبار نے جو کہا اسے اس کی گفتگو اور اس کی شخصیت کے پس منظر میں سمجھنے کی ضرورت ہے ۔
    پروگرام دوبارہ سنیئے، کیا اس نے میڈیا کے رول کو ایجنسیوں کے رول سے بد تر قرار نہیں دیا؟

  • niazmand said:

    Very powerful programme on civil-military relations. Concluding remarks were significant when both Gen Moeen and Mr. Jabbar emphasized parliamentary oversight over role of agencies. I think its important.

    Also there should be a binding condition to include foreign office officials in the meetings of foreign officials, including pentagon or state department personnels, with the military officials of Pakistan.

    Similarly, complete minutes of such meetings of President and Prime Ministers should be recorded when they meet US, British or other foreign high ranking officials like Holbrooke, Gen Patreaus, Milliband etc.

    This will end their over powering role some day I hope.

  • niazmand said:

    @tariqhussain said:

    I second your views.

  • Muhammad Raza said:

    Khalid Wasti said:
    جاوید جبار نے جو کہا اسے اس کی گفتگو اور اس کی شخصیت کے پس منظر میں سمجھنے کی ضرورت ہے ۔
    پروگرام دوبارہ سنیئے، کیا اس نے میڈیا کے رول کو ایجنسیوں کے رول سے بد تر قرار نہیں دیا؟

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    یہی سرکاری درباری مشرف کے دور میں اسی میڈیا کی تعریفیں کرتے نہیں تھکتے تھے، اور آج یہی بکاؤ لوگ میڈیا کو برا بھلا کہ رہے ہیں، کیوں کہ یہ ان کو آیینہ دکھا رہے ہیں، کل کو اگر یہ حکومت میں نہیں رہے تو پھر یہی میڈیا ہوگا اور یہی منافق لوگ اس کی تعریفیں کرتے نہیں تھکیں گے.

  • mercyonpakistan said:

    NA KHAPPAY lol

  • aftab said:

    The great so called Democrat ZAB did not respect the majority vote of East Pakistan.

  • supercreature said:

    Khalid Wasti said:
    جاوید جبار نے جو کہا اسے اس کی گفتگو اور اس کی شخصیت کے پس منظر میں سمجھنے کی ضرورت ہے ۔
    پروگرام دوبارہ سنیئے، کیا اس نے میڈیا کے رول کو ایجنسیوں کے رول سے بد تر قرار نہیں دیا؟

    ——
    Javaid jabbar apki phuppi ka puttar hoo ga kissi oor ki nahe .. aap hee dobara is programme ko suniya ga ….

  • kraizii said:

    aftab said:
    The great so called Democrat ZAB did not respect the majority vote of East Pakistan.

    PPP should be called BPP (Bhutto Power Party). The party belonged to bhuttos and and now it will be ruled/owned by Zardaris/Bhuttos.
    Bhutto was the biggest reason for the loss of East Pakistan and who says BPP is a democratic party. It’s nothing but a power party. Democracy has nothing to do with BPP.
    All currupts who have sold their souls to this party are nothing but slaves of corruption. They are fed bones and sometimes a piece of flesh as well. And for that they will remain jiyalas for the rest of their lives. BPP is contaminated with corruption and power.

  • Muhammad Raza said:

    پی پی قیادت سے مافی نہیں مانگوں گا،
    نصف جسم پارٹی کیلئے قربان کردیا، معطلی کی خبر تضحیک آمیز تھی، دیکھتا ہوں میرے لئے کون آواز اٹھاتا ہے، صدر کے گرد نان پولیٹیکل ایکٹر جمع ہیں- ڈاکٹر اسرار شاہ
    صبح سات بجے اسکول جانے سے قبل جب میرے بچوں نے یہ خبر پڑھی تو مجھے کہا “بابا اٹھو اور اپنی قربانیوں کو تحفہ لے لو. اس پارٹی کیلئے آپ نے قربانیاں دی تھیں”
    http://www.ummatpublication.com/2010/01/14/story2.html

  • mazhar khan said:

    Why this video and other are not available to a premium member?

    Premium video player fixed – Admin

  • mansoorkhan said:

    these all anchors work for money,we should enjoy them but should not take them seriously.

  • savage said:

    @mansoorkhan, @wasti

    Muhammad Raza wrote it for you, if you are not one of those non-political actors which he mentioned.

    پی پی قیادت سے مافی نہیں مانگوں گا،
    نصف جسم پارٹی کیلئے قربان کردیا، معطلی کی خبر تضحیک آمیز تھی، دیکھتا ہوں میرے لئے کون آواز اٹھاتا ہے، صدر کے گرد نان پولیٹیکل ایکٹر جمع ہیں- ڈاکٹر اسرار شاہ
    صبح سات بجے اسکول جانے سے قبل جب میرے بچوں نے یہ خبر پڑھی تو مجھے کہا “بابا اٹھو اور اپنی قربانیوں کو تحفہ لے لو. اس پارٹی کیلئے آپ نے قربانیاں دی تھیں”
    http://www.ummatpublication.com/2010/01/14/story2.html

  • mujtaba-ali said:

    @mansoorkhan said:
    these all anchors work for money,we should enjoy them but should not take them seriously.

    AND UR BELOVED ZARDARI DOES NOT WORK FOR MONEY ….
    LOLZ
    at least they are earning a legitimate livelihood and not looting the poor nation …

  • Salam said:

    If zardari complete tenure then chances are that Nawaz may get majority win in 2013, only way to keep this 20-30% representation is by getting this govt over thrown and play victim card.

    Nawaz knows that if zardari gets over thrown then he will only get 25-35% seats and would be dependent on coalition partners so he wants to let zardari continue to his death

  • mansoorkhan said:

    @mujtaba-ali,u r a typical manufactured ppp hater who are artificially created by establishment to use against elected governments.i only can pray for u.

  • jiwaypakistan said:

    Khalid Wasti said;

    جاوید جبار نے جو کہا اسے اس کی گفتگو اور اس کی شخصیت کے پس منظر میں سمجھنے کی ضرورت ہے
    پروگرام دوبارہ سنیئے، کیا اس نے میڈیا کے رول کو ایجنسیوں کے رول سے بد تر قرار نہیں دیا

    ملک میں کرپشن سے پاک نظام کی زرداری کو حمایت کرنی چاہیے
    زرداری کو چاہیے کہ وہ صدارتی محل کو فرقے اور فرق سے پاک کر دیں
    زرداری کو چاہیے کہ آئندہ وہ اپنی پارٹی کا اجلاس صدارتی محل کی بجائے کہیں اور بلایا کریں
    زردار حکومت کو کسی سے کوئی خطرہ نہیں ہے

    یہ سب باتیں بھی اسی جاوید جبار نے کہی تھیں جسکی گفتگو کو اسکی شخصیت کے پس منظر میں سمجھنے کی ضرورت ہے کیا اس وقت آپ کے کان بند تھے

  • Fasih Ahmed said:

    Must Watch programme.

  • sherdilmuslim said:

    TO,
    niazmand said:
    Similarly, complete minutes of such meetings of President and Prime Ministers should be recorded when they meet US, British or other foreign high ranking officials like Holbrooke, Gen Patreaus, Milliband etc.

    This will end their over powering role some day I hope.

    That is correct but brother then how our officials will make secrete deals for personal gains with America.

  • sohnidherti said:

    To,
    kraizii said:
    aftab said:
    The great so called Democrat ZAB did not respect the majority vote of East Pakistan.

    PPP should be called BPP (Bhutto Power Party). The party belonged to bhuttos and and now it will be ruled/owned by Zardaris/Bhuttos.

    You are right but that is the problem pretty much with every political party in Pakistan.PML(N) is owned by Mian brothers,ANP is a dynasty of Bacha Khan,Mian Noorani son became president of his party after the departure of Mian Shah Ahmed Noorani and Fazl-ur-rehman after his father Mufti Mahmood.

  • azadpakistan said:

    Both Moen Haider and Jawed Jabbar were the members of Musharaf government.Both are educated so were smartly trying to support military wrong actions beside democracy.

  • mazbootchatan said:

    To,
    Muhammad Raza said:
    ہی سرکاری درباری مشرف کے دور میں اسی میڈیا کی تعریفیں کرتے نہیں تھکتے تھے، اور آج یہی بکاؤ لوگ میڈیا کو برا بھل
    کہ رہے ہیں، کیوں کہ یہ ان کو آیینہ دکھا رہے ہیں، کل کو اگر یہ حکومت میں نہیں رہے تو پھر یہی میڈیا ہوگا اور یہی منافق لوگ
    اس کی تعریفیں کرتے نہیں تھکیں گے

    آپ نے بالکل درست کہا کرپشن سے بھی زیادہ جس چیز نے اس ملک کو نقصان پہنچایا ہے وہ ہے ابنالوقتی جو آئے اس کے ساتھ اور بعد میں اسی پر تنقید کرتے ہیں جس کے ساتھ اقتدار کے مزے لیے ہوتے ہیں جاوید جبار اور معین حیدر بھی یہی کچھ کر رہے تھے-

  • Awaam said:

    Instead of deploying PPP staffers to write on these blogs, better do something for people of Pakistan. Your image will never improve unless you actually start delivering. Address problems faced by Pakistani people.

  • aristotle said:

    JJ was a part of mushi’ s liberal team

  • aristotle said:

    so called intellectual and liberal
    did not a single thing positive or contructive in this country

  • sadajeopakistan said:

    TO,
    Awaam said:
    Instead of deploying PPP staffers to write on these blogs, better do something for people of Pakistan. Your image will never improve unless you actually start delivering. Address problems faced by Pakistani people.

    That is the fact.

  • mazloomlog said:

    Moen Haider said two main things in the show 1-all corrupts who,s names were on ECL list were taken as ministers by Musharaf and 2-that Musharaf told his cabinet about the deal with America after it was done.
    For long time he was the member of the cabinet of Musharaf if that was the case why he did not resign? It is real shame majority of the people who support dictators take full advantage as minister but later on they criticize that very government.

  • jaagpakistanijaag said:

    From Ayub Khan on ward every dictator enjoyed the full support of political elite.Gen;moeen Haider was right to say that there are always politicians who offer their shoulder of support to a dictator.We know that that in the past politicians even openly invited military generals to take over the government especially after the 1977 movement of Islami Itehad.Air marshal Asghar Khan after Zia ul Haq took over gave this open statement to media that he wrote a letter to Zia ul Haq to take over the government………It is shameless attitude.

  • molabuksh said:

    I personally do not like any political party in Pakistan or any leader.The point i want to make is that it is the right of prime minister to appoint or sack a army chief.Mian Nawaz Sharif sacked Jahangir Karamat for interfering in government affairs that was a right move.Military was upset about it and took it as personal grudge.Moin Haider comment that Mian Nawaz Sharif should had taken proper way to sack him makes me wonder what is proper way? Army chief is a government employee not the ruler.The ruler of the country is prime minister so if army chief do not accept orders of prime minister he breaks the law and is liable to punishment.In the second case if he takes over the government by force he is punishable to death.

  • izatmaab said:

    Javed Jabbar and Moin Haider are so called liberals of Pakistan.They do not under stand common people problems.Both are very rich so their comments were in perspective of the background they come from.One do not have to be agreed with them.

  • machoman said:

    Every body who has knowledge about ins and outs do not believe that there is any conspiracy or threat to Zardari. Instead of paying attention to the problems of the country and masses he is so busy dealing with the fears of his own.Two years have gone bye and there is no progress it is the worst possible democratic government country could have.

  • mansoorkhan said:

    @machoman,if there are no conspiracy then why media give dates for his removal,first media gave date of 7,then 25 dec and now 20 march.

  • super7 said:

    We never learnt lesson from past mistakes otherwise after 71 no military takeover was possible. If politicians were wise enough, the 90s were long enough time to learn, but no. we remain the same and then blame others for our faults.

    Its not media or judiciary, these are against same old corruption-prone ways that make people ruling Pakistan since 47 fight with each other and make sacrifices of common man. There personal greed never ends despite eating away half of Pakistan and thousands of life. They remain hungary.

  • super7 said:

    Say big no to army.

    But change the way we practice politics, 19 year old bilawal was nominated like a Badshahi nizam, husband tookover from BB as it was inheritance.

    Shehbaz Sharif has been preparing Hamza and Pervez Ilahi has produced Monis………Qaim Ali Shah’s daughter, Hussain Haqqani’s wife, Zulfiqar Mirza’s wife, Zardari’s sister after losing his wife………………….

    Condemn all above name. No one of them desrves to be ruling us. 3rd raters, corrupt, looters and pathetic ……………….who don’t even feel a pain when every day morning we see loss of 100s of country men in one way or the other………………They are all filthy rich……………all money is looted, ill-gotten wealth.

  • morisleo said:

    I think this is the only talk show we can proudly and thought fully watch without being upset .
    Very high standards of professionalism well done NADEEM MALIK , I am fed up to watch NASIM ZUHRA ,HAMID MIR ,SHAHID MASOOD type anchors. MUEED PEERZADA and AYILA MALIK are still ok .

  • Ahsaan said:

    Good analysis Javed Jabbar and Moeen Haider. The only problem is Generals only realize after retirement when they cannot do anything and politicians talk before joining office and forget after elections.

  • xread said:

    Javed Jabbar had roots in Benazir and Musharraf governments and was in good books of Nawaz Sharif and now is trying to get foot hold in present regime thats why he is trying to please Zardari by maligning media .

  • sadiqahmed said:

    Jabbar maybe a Mush-infected but he and Gen Moeen spoke well in the show. Group up our Generals and politicians. The world has changed. Think about Pakistan.

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