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New Ordinance and withdrawal of Notification – Two Pronged strategy to knock out judiciary
The tug of war between Pakistan Peoples Party and Judicial echelon is not yet over. Pakistan People’s Party (PPP)-led coalition government is planning to technically knock out Judiciary in a ‘democratic way’. The defiance strategy focuses to use constitutional means to make judiciary ‘toothless and powerless, informed a highly reliable source.
President Asif Ali Zardari has made PPP to use democracy and constitutionalism as its weapons to fight back. Initially resilient Prime Minister Syed Yousaf Raza Gilani was also given a go ahead on December 19, 2009 to make his allegiance to the President public after his meeting with the President and the sacking of Interior Secretary.
On same day, a meeting of PPP Central Executive Committee ended with a defiant mood, defying all state institutions and apex body of judicial hierarchy. Heated speeches in the meeting considered SC decision ‘as part of conspiracy’, informed sources privy to anonymity.
The source also revealed that appointment of Dr Babar Awan as Law Minister is a part of the strategy to fight back and push back the judiciary with an executive push. Rescinding government notification and introducing a new Ordinance protecting NAB beneficiaries are the options. These decisions will be used by in coming days to put a pressure on the Supreme Court.
Under the same procedural defiance strategy, another highly placed source said the government intends to withdraw the notification of March 17, 2009 through which the deposed judges of superior judiciary, including Chief Justice Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry, were restored to the November 2, 2007 position. This approach, a brainchild of a Group Editor of a media group extremely sympathetic to the President, has suggested the President Asif Ali Zardari to take an aggressive course and arranged a talk show where ‘slogan of judicial murder of ZA Bhutto’ was for the first time raised.
The source disclosed that on withdrawing the notification of March 17, 2009, Presidency believes that the office of the chief justice will fall vacant so neither any bench could be constituted nor could be any stay order issued until the appointment of a new chief justice.
On March 17, 2009, the Law Ministry had issued two separate notifications and Law Secretary Justice Agha Rafiq had read out the notifications in a press conference.
The first notification stated:
“Whereas the Prime Minister of Pakistan was pleased to announce on 16th day of March, 2009 that the deposed judges of the Supreme Court and High Courts, including Mr Justice Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry, the deposed Chief Justice of Pakistan, shall be restored to the position they were holding immediately before 3rd day of November, 2007.
“Now therefore, the President of Pakistan is pleased to restore Mr Justice Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry, the deposed Chief Justice of Pakistan to the position he was holding immediately before 3rd day of November, 2007 . Mr Justice Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry will assume office of Chief Justice of Pakistan on 22nd March, 2009, after retirement of Mr Justice Abdul Hameed Dogar, Chief Justice of Pakistan on 21st March, 2009.”
The second notification announced on same day stated:-
“Prime Minister of Pakistan was pleased to announce on 16th day of March, 2009 that the deposed judges of the Supreme Court and High Courts, including Mr Justice Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry, the deposed Chief Justice of Pakistan, shall be restored to the position they were holding immediately before 3rd day of November, 2007:
“Supreme Court of Pakistan: 1. Mr Justice Javed Iqbal; 2. Mr Justice Khalil-ur-Rehman Ramday; 3. Mr Justice Raja Fayyaz Ahmed; 4. Mr Justice Ch Ijaz Ahmad.
“Lahore High Court: 1. Mr Justice Khawaja Muhammad Sharif; 2. Mr Justice Ijaz Ahmed Chaudhry; 3. Mr Justice Iqbal Hameed-ur-Rehman.
“High Court of Sindh: 1. Mr Justice Mushir Alam; 2. Mr Justice Maqbool Baqar.
“Peshawar High Court: 1. Mr Justice Ejaz Afzal Khan.
“Now, therefore, the President of Pakistan is pleased to restore the above mentioned deposed judges of the Supreme Court and High Courts to the position they were holding immediately before 3rd day of November, 2007. These judges will assume their office with immediate effect.”
The source has confided that Law Ministry will be playing pivotal role in new strategy. Hence , it was important to replace Afzal Sindhu with Dr Babar Awan as Law Minister. Salman Farouqi Secretary General to President, Hussain Haqqani Ambassador in Washington, Wajid Shamsul Hasan High Commissioner in UK, all these NAB beneficiaries ganged together is ousting veteran PPP leader Afzal Sindhu. Famous for manipulations Salman Farouqi went to the extent issuing press statement against sitting State Minister Afzal Sindu transgressing his present status as government functionary.
“Muhammad Afzal Sindhu, a veteran PPP leader having the distinction of being a member of the party’s central executive committee during the days of late Zulfikar Ali Bhutto, is a respected lawyer and constitutional philosopher and was unlikely to agree to being part of this dirty game plan, hence he was sent to the Ministry of Railways last month,” the sources pointed out.
Secondly, under the same strategy the government will not take any step for reopening of cases in the Swiss court as was directed by the Supreme Court in its short order declared the infamous National Reconciliation Ordinance (NRO) void ab initio,” pointed out the source.
According to the source, had the government been serious in implementation of the Supreme Court, there was no need to wait for the detail judgment.
Thirdly, he said, the government has not appointed Justice (Retd)Khalil ur Rehman Ramday as ad hoc judge of the Supreme Court as recommended by Chief Justice Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry. Advice of the chief justice was shelved by Law Ministry.
The recent spree of aggressive statements by Mr Zardari and PPP leadership is in a wake of being not sure about how army may react if SC throws ‘NAB beneficiaries’ out in a bid to make Pakistan corruption free and ensure that corruption is rooted out of society,
They are confident that their aggressive posture will make the military to refuse abiding by the Supreme Court order in case Article 190 of the constitution is invoked by Supreme Court of Pakistan, the source elaborated.
It may be recalled that Article 190 has so far been invoked only twice and on both the occasions, the military sided with the executive instead of abiding by the orders of the chief justice. He recalled that when Justice Sajjad Ali Shah had invoked Article 190 as chief judge, the-then chief of army staff Gen Jehangir Karamat had forwarded the court order to the Ministry of Defence for further process and hence the military defied the court order because Mian Muhammad Nawaz Sharif held the portfolio of the minister for defence at that time.
On the second occasion, a seven-member bench of the Supreme Court headed by Chief Justice Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry had ordered the state machinery including the corps and formation commanders of the army on November 3, 2007 not to abide by any unconstitutional order of Gen Pervez Musharraf. But the army defied the court order and a new Provisional Constitution Order (PCO) was issued by Musharraf, imposing martial law on the pretext of emergency, which was also described as emergency plus.
The source said that top advisers of the rulers are currently weighing all the available options but majority of them believes that there is no provision in the constitution for the restoration of a chief justice and the executive order through which the judges were restored could be withdrawn anytime.
It is, however, pertinent to recall here that the federal law secretary, while reading out the two notifications of March 17, 2009, had said as all the deposed judges were reinstated to the position of November 2, 2007, they were not required to take fresh oath.
I read somewhere long ago that people who do evil in this world used to have their faces changed. If you look closely, I think I can see the ugly cunningness on the faces of Babar Awan and Kaira and lots of other PPP ministers. They have become so shameless that I cannot believe.
One thing is for certain though, that they will try to play some dirty tricks against the judiciary. The real question would be whether the pakistani nation will come out on streets to protect the judiciary or not.
@ winter
They will come out again and NOT stop at Gujranwala this time.
aftab said:
@ winter
They will come out again and NOT stop at Gujranwala this time.
@ aftab:
آپ سو فیصد درست فرما رہے ہیں
راجا ریاض صحاب سو جیالوں كا ہجوم دیكھ لیں تو اس میں ایتنے بڑے بڑے بول نكل جاتے ہیں …….اب تو بابر عوان صاحب آپنے قیمتی مشورے زور شور سے دیے رہے ہیں,,,,,, یہ چلے ہوے پٹاخے ہیں ان میں اب دم خم نہیں ہے, یہ مفاد پرستوں كا ٹولا ہے جس نے پاكستان پیپلز پارٹی كو یرغمال بنایا ہوا ………………………………………….ہے
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رضاربانی مخدوم صاحب اور پڑے پرانے پی پی كے لیڈرز ہیں وہ بیان دیں تو كچھ بات بھی بنے جب سلمان تاثیر جیسا منہ پھٹ جام ہاتھ میں لے كر بیان دے تو كو موصوف كی بات سنیں گا
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Fate of these actions will be no different to as of Mush and Q league. However, it is necessary that they exercise their extreme action so that this hide and seek could come to an end. Enough is enough, we as nation are ready to fight this out and bring an end to this hang over of corrupt regimes one after an other.
As Imran Khan said we will come out this time to throw away these blood suckers for ever. I know their is no escape to this fight against these powers of status quo. I can’t wait any further they should do what ever is in their power.
a great Punjaabi saying is that
“Jab kute ki maut aati hai to shehr ki taraf dorta hai”
This is very good news!!!
1.By help of ALLHA truth is going to win!!!
2.Zardari and co will be going to hell same as musharaf for always.
3.Insha allha after this war there will be new pakistan real pakistan.
4.If musharaf could not win no one can win this
If Chief Justice had 86% support earlier. now he has 99% support of Pakistani Nation. especially after knocking out NRO.
yehi to jamhuriat ki khoob-soorti hai… twist the law; where you can’t change it! =D this is getting interesting!
what zardari is pretending to do is ugly…it shows and another proof that he is guilty concious …..
only a respectful citizen obey the law…id he will do so he will lose all his power in real and on mpral grounds
جس دن سے زرداری کی ریٹنگ میں اضافہ اور نواز شریف کی مقبولیت میں پہلی بار کمی ہوئ تھی اس دن سے گیلپ پول ہی آنا بند ہوگئے۔ چیف جسٹس کی مقبولیت پنجاب کے شہروں تک ہی محدود ہے اور اس سے آگے بھی سرزمین پاک ہی ہے۔ پر اہل پنجاب تو لانگ مارچ کریں گے کہیں ایسا نہ ہو کے چھوٹے صوبوں کو انکا حق مل جاۓ۔
عمران خان ایک سیٹ تو جیت نہیں سکتا ان کے کہنے پر سڑکوں پر کوئ خاک آۓ گا!
حرف آخر یہ کہ افتخار چوہدری کہاں تو آئن کی روح کی بات کرتے ہیں اور پھر جسٹس رمدے کو ایڈہوک جج لگانے کی تجویز دے کر آئن کی روح کی دھجیاں اڑا دیتے ہیں۔ کیا یہ کھلا تضاد نہیں؟
The more I dig into the political situation in Pakistan the more I get nauseous. It feels like digging deep in to a pile of dead conscience, shamelessness, dead and alive corpuses of the proudly and openly corrupt families, ethnic, religious and linguistically driven living zombies .
Political, military, feudal and businessmen/women monopolizing an industry called Pakistan politics. Only business in Pakistan where you can be the judge, the jury, the executioner the accuser, the accused and the criminal at the same time.
All the major parties are full of the people of the same mold of criminals and looters, money launderers thieves, murderers , corrupt to the core families, clans, and group of ethnic vultures, with no shame or self recognized pride.
Now how do we accept these worminess living sub humans to change by a stroke of a pen by the free and faire justice system is beyond my comprehension. Corruption is a systematic problem which has become an pandemic in Pakistan. Two generations of corrupt leadership has been breastfed by their parents and close family members and is almost part of the genetic mold of the rolling classes and to a large extent the elites of Pakistan.
The only way to get rid of this cancer is painful treatments or surgeries. The martial laws were the painful treatment, which failed miserably, because the infestation and the epidemic of corruption is like a flue virus, which is in the air and anyone who gets close to the ruling elites catches it and eventual becomes positive like Aids virus, once you get it, it stays with you for rest of your life.
The only other option is a bloody revolution, likes of the French revolution, where the heads were rolled and people were able to get rid of the feudalism and monarchy by either chopping their heads off or sending them to exiles.
Incase of Pakistan, I see even the worse of all the other options, which is chaos, lawlessness, rule of the jungle, armed rebellions, terrorism of the worse kind and eventually it could get to the cannibalization of the rich by the poor.
Pakistani people still have a choice to fallow the laws and let the legal system, at least make an attempt to change the current course of the disastrous out come or else the future of the Pakistan is dark and frightening.
“Political, military, feudal and businessmen/women monopolizing an industry called Pakistan politics. Only business in Pakistan where you can be the judge, the jury, the executioner the accuser, the accused and the criminal at the same time.”
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The military, feudal and businessmen/women monopolizing an industry called Pakistan politics, the only business in Pakistan where you can be the judge, the jury, the executioner the accuser, the accused and the criminal at the same time.”
@ maxpk
Thxn Bro. These rulers are not realising the gravity of the situation because people have had enough, they are toying with our jazbaat and these jazbaat are now on a knife edge, so if any sensible PPP people on this forum i would advice them to pass on to they leaders to do amal-daramat on SC decision and not play with our emotions.
judicial coup is under way,the people who are getting happy,they are the same people who get happy on every coup.
@ skunk
bohut derd ho raha ha ap ko … tu pehlay vote kiun diye thay zardari ko .. pata nahi tha k duniya ka sab se corrupt insan ha …?
اسلام علیكم =سر جی كیا حال ہے واسطی صاحب جو كہیں اور آمر مغل ہیں آپ كو ڈھونڈ رہے ہیں آپ ان كو مل نہیں رہے
Why PPP try to arrest Imran several days before Long March, fikhar ni hay to pir why break into his house at 3am in the morning.
AZ and Cronies like Babar Awan do not give 2 hoots about democracy, we remember the behaviour of this democratic government when they tried to shut down media through cable operators but our friends in cable companies did not allow this.
I have to give respect to Sherry Rehman only person in PPP to resign when media crack down happened.
aftab said:
@ maxpk
Thxn Bro. These rulers are not realising the gravity of the situation because people have had enough, they are toying with our jazbaat and these jazbaat are now on a knife edge, so if any sensible PPP people on this forum i would advice them to pass on to they leaders to do amal-daramat on SC decision and not play with our emotions.
میں آپ كی ہر بات پر اتفاق كرتا ہوں مگر كچھ بھی ہو بھائی اب یہ عدلیہ ہر وہ كام كرے گی جو عوام كی امنگوں كے عین مطابق ہو انشااللہ پاكستان كے آئیں پر عمل ہو گا اور یہ عدلیہ عمل كراے گی
Please have a look at this Short Video . You can fast forward to 3:10 and you will see the people who got happy after 1999 coup.
from the day one conspiracies started against this government,every day new story,every day new problem created by establishment or by judiciary,blame is on india,america,no,we are digging our own grave.
Benazir was not even sincere to her own father – she married Zardari who was son of Hakim Zardari who was member of Majlis Shoora of Zia ul Haq and member of ANP – who sided with Zia when he hanged Bhutto.
And she got what she strived for – death –
Benazir made deals with baqiat of Zia including Yusuf Raza Gilani and Shah Mahmood Qureshi and then with Musharraf – just for lust of power and money and was a front person for her husband who looted this nation right and left.
Babar Awan and others if they try to remove this judiciary then there would be a rule of jungle and people of Pakistan would pick up each elected member and hang him because then there would no courts to protect them. If they want that they can do what they want.
This guy has looted 60 million dollars of this country and also wants to keep them and at the same time wants to rule Pakistan also by becoming President and give a free hand of corruption to his cronies. He would not survive whatever he may do. Inshallah.
mansoor khan
What conspiracies – this government came through conspiracies. If you are worried about conspiracies why hasnt been there any investigation of murder of Benazir and why were people who deliberately destroyed all and any evidence of her murder been given positions and promotions. Installing Zardari as president is the biggest conspiracy against Pakistan ever made. Just because members of NA and other assemblies who elected Zardari as president sold their conscience to money doesnt make this guy legal at all.
This man has broken every promise he made once he got his way. He cheated Nawaz Sharif thrice and then had a cheek to claim that he was teaching politics of Nawaz Sharif. Well he forgot Allah.
army,judiciary and media should stand with government at this difficult times but what i see above three pillars of state are trying hard to pull down fourth pillar of state,i mean government.
@c hussain,go ahead,keep knocking down every elected government and end up knocking down pakistan.
Bottom line:
Zardari and Co. pori qoom ko abb black mail ker rahi hey.
in reality pco cj has brocken the constitution by ordering to reopen cases against the president of pakistan.constitution has been brocken and innocent people are rejoicing .pco cj is just playing politics.
Seems like “mansoorkhan and Nazir Naji” both have a common source of income. I just read the latest column by Nazir Naji “Aieni Bohraan” , and I wasn’t surprised a bit.
Friends I have a request, please dont respond to 2 Beghairuts on this forum, dont waste time cos they are here on PePeKhaaPe payroll, they are here to mix up Zardari looting issues with PPP of ZAB.
Kithey Zadara kithey ZAB
Kithey…….. kithey true leader
Chor ki darhi mein tinka, B….. agar maal nahin khaya to muqadama laro, dar kis cheez ka. Lekin dar hay, “Jis lootay maal kailiyeh ab tak lan tan ho rahe hay, ab usey kaisey jane doon”
@allah ka banda
no sense arguing with jiyalas, just ask them on question:
kahan say aye hein yeh 60 mil?
kis nay diya hein yeh 60 mil?
@mansoorkhan said:
in reality pco cj has brocken the constitution by ordering to reopen cases against the president of pakistan.
bhai kiun kuch sun na ha … tumharay pas koi reason ha na logic .. and u are using faulty language agaisnt SC and CJ ….
CJ has ordered to reopen cases against all the culprits … and none on TV or any where said that its against constitution .. then why are u barking like this …
@ skunk
i know jawab tu ap k pas ho ga nahi phir bhi … can u tell me punjab ne kis ka heq mara ha aur kaisay ….
just tell me one thing … tell me any fact and figure about what punjab gets and what others …
and then u are allowed to say ne thing … but if u wont be able to .. then what ever words i would like to use about u would be my right…..
theek?
سلام،
مجتبیٰ بھائی اس فورم پر ڈیموکریٹ اور حسن خان کے نام سے ایک بندہ آتا تھا کوئی بھی بات زرداری کے خلاف کرو تو بھڑک اٹھتا تھا -2 مہینے خوب اس کی بے عزتی ہوئی پھر دم دبا کر بھاگ گیا. آج کل اسی طرز کا ایک بندہ اور بھی آیا ہوا ہے جو بس ہر بات پر رونا شروع ہو جاتا ہے. یہ بھی نہیں سوچتے کے پی پی کی موجودہ حکومت تو ہے ہی چوروں سے بھری ہوئی . اگر زرداری پر عتماد ہوتا تو آج امن فہیم، صفدر عباسی، اعتزاز احسن، انور بیگ جیسے لوگ اس کا دفع کر رہے ہوتے لیکن یہاں تو ماجرا ہے کچھ اور ہے .
جیالوں سے درخواست ہے کہ 21 جنوری کا ندیم ملک کا پروگرام ضرور دیکھ لیں یہ صرف اپنی چوری اور نہ اہلی کی وجہ سے مار کھا رہا ہے.
@ all those who think that punjab gets more water than sind read this ….
http://www.khosas.com/news.php?news=25
its one occsusion … and its not according to irsa …
according to irsa … sind gets 3 times water than punjab … but that water is not managed … and flows in to the sea .. the need is to build small damns in sindh to get water …. but the point here is that sindh gets even bigger share from managed water as well … more over … on every barrage and damn in punjab the people from sindh irrigation authorities are sitting and monitoring the water flow …
laanat ha un logon per jo jhoot bol ker nafrat phailatay hain ta keh un ki siasat chamakti rahay ….
@ ConcernedPakistani
Nice to see you finally agree with my view point discussed in previous post.
Things are not moving in the right direction for the country. We should be optimistic but at the same time we have to be realistic.
This is a fight of power which is going on since long. Only it has changed its face. Luckily for nation, this time SC is trying to side with the ppl of Pakistan rather than govt. But at the same time this has increased risk of bloodshed in the country. The aggressive tactics of govt (not PPP) has taken us back to musharraf era. This is a repeat of the story & very truly said that “if mush didnt win it AZ will never win it”
May Allah have mercy on our nation & help us as a nation. AMEEN.
@ Revolution
مجتبیٰ بھائی اس فورم پر ڈیموکریٹ اور حسن خان کے نام سے ایک بندہ آتا تھا کوئی بھی بات زرداری کے خلاف کرو تو بھڑک اٹھتا تھا -2 مہینے خوب اس کی بے عزتی ہوئی پھر دم دبا کر بھاگ گیا.
سلام بھائی جی. یہ زیادتی نہ کریں. حسن خان ہمارا بہت اچھا اور قابل احترام دوست ہے. اسکے خیالات سے اختلاف کیا جا سکتا ہے لیکن وہ دل کا کھرا اور یاروں کا یار ہے
@bawa , Revolution
hassan khan is still here with the name of mansoor khan …
mujtaba-ali said:
@bawa , Revolution
hassan khan is still here with the name of mansoor khan …
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Mujbata Bhai,
میرا خیال بھی یہی ہے.
Bawa ji
باوا جی میں خود پی پی کے اچھے لوگوں کو تعریف کرتا ہوں بلکہ ہر جماعت میں جو بھی اچھی بات کرے لیکن جب آپ صرف زرداری پر تنقید کریں اور کوئی آپ کو کہے کہ زرداری کے خلاف بات ملک کے خلاف ہے تو مشرف ڈھولکی والا یاد آجاتا ہے جو اپنے آپ کو پاکستان کہتا تھا حالانکہ پاکستان کے موجودہ برے حالت کا سب سے زیادہ ذمہ دار وہی ہے .
@mujtaba-ali
bawa , Revolution
hassan khan is still here with the name of mansoor khan …
بڑی اچھی بات ہے. وہ کسی بھی نام سے ہو اسکی موجودگی ضروری ہے. اسکی خوشبو سے پی کے پولیٹکس کا چمن مہکا رہتا ہے
@ Revolution
بھائی جی. سیاست ہی ہر چیز نہیں ہوتی. کسی کو سمجھنے کے لیے اپنی ذات کو مٹانا پڑتا ہے. محبت دینے سے محبت ملتی ہے. یہ دل کے معاملات ہیں جو مجتبیٰ بھائی خوب سمجھتے ہیں
این آر او:حکومت عدالتی فیصلے کا احترام کرے،اعتزاز
اسلام آباد: بیرسٹر اعتزاز احسن نے کہا ہے کہ حکومت این آر او پر عدالت کے فیصلے کا احترام کرے۔آج نیوز کے مطابق بیرسٹر اعتزاز احسن نے کہا ہے کہ وہ سابق صدرپرویز مشرف کے خلاف مقدمات چلانے کے حق میں ہیں۔ اعتزاز احسن کا کہناہے کہ حکومت این آر او پر عدالت کے فیصلے کی پابند ہے۔ نظرثانی کی اپیل سے فیصلے کو روکنے کاجواز پیدا نہیں ہوتا۔انہوں نے کہا کہ فوج بلانے کی ضرورت نہیں پڑے گی۔
http://www.aajtv.com/urdu/national/2010/01/22/74365_2_story.html
@ Bawa & @ Mujataba Ali
Supreme court did not set the right priorities and ultimately jeopardise democracy. They should have take an action against generals and then against politicians. But they chose soft target and attacked those who have been the targets of generals for the long time. This way supreme court has served GENERALS not people of Pakistan.
@aftab.- i fully agree with you that if zerdari and his cronies malically tired to play a dirty game against SC and its recent decission on NRO, this time people would not stop to Gujernewala, but its destination would be presidential palace with reply stone with stone, bringing it down to dust, sweeping all ppp!s, heckles and heiracy. with Kkhomeni like bloody revolution which rooted out the 2500 years old pahalvy dynasty of Iran.!!.
For us, the People of Pakistan. SC needs our support more & more, every single day. It’s not the SC that has decided that its time to End the corruption once & for all. It’s us.
It’s the People of Pakistan that made the decision! They were just trying to be lucky for one last time so that they could loot this nation with both the hands, legs and that Big Mouth.
On a lighter side we have one more thing which distinguishes us form any other country in the word and that is our politicians. We have the most corrupt leaders in the world. A guy known for corruption worldwide gets to be our president. This happens only in Pakistan
Many questions have been asked from many in this forum,they never replied.
1. Swiss accounts
2. Surrey palace
3. Benazir’s will
4. Why was he reluctant to restore judiciary?
5. Why did he appointed corrupt people as ministers (not elected by people)
6. Why people who were close to Benazir have been sidelined.
7. Why he is still unable to find Benazir and murtazaa’s murderer.
Zeradri neither confirms nor denies reports that he is partner in a firm that has been given thousands of acres in the capital territory at a rate much lower than the market price. The explanation by Parliamentary Affairs Minister Babar Awan (he is also a legal expert and a theologian) that the president, like any other citizen, is not required to explain his private transactions is self-serving, to say the least. The private and public conduct of every holder of public office — elective or professional — must be open to scrutiny by all.
Do you fear the truth?
What truth are you hiding? And what fear is causing you to hide your truth?
The only way to get rid of the foul smell of this human garbage is to flush him out of the Presidential Palace and sell this huge monument of arrogance and residence of Pakistani Family Mafia bosses and military dictators and use that money to help the poor and built a small president house to reflect the true per capita income of Pakistanis.
There is no justification, such as democracy to keep this foul person at the highest position of Commander-n-a thief of Pakistan.
“Why the people are bare, footed, bare bodied, half naked, with out food, houses with raw walls, with out roof, heads are dirty with dust. People are selling their kids due to hunger and poverty, suicide due to starvation”? Why. Where is ROTI KEPRA AND MAKAN- WHY-?
If millions and billions of rupees have not been eaten away by these industrialists plus politicians, Pakistan would have been a reasonable rich country. If they remain in power then there is no hope for a common person for basic facilities like health, education, transport and protection. No government can provide them if corruption continues
Thousands of People who died due to terrorism
Thousand who were literally murdered by these corrupt people
By denying them what they deserved
By looting their dreams, Hopes, Hard work and talent
When they suffered & were suffering…These People were checking their Bank Statements
They are not only corrupt, they have snatched morsel from the mouth of our kids and kin’s.! They are the murderers of this Nation!
Are we revived every single time to be killed once more?
No!
Don’t send them to prison & waste taxpayers money!
Hang them All…..Twice! Hang them all in public, chock, and let their dead bodies be eaten by dogs, and wolves.
Let us digest the money we have looted and allow us to loot more and run” what logic. Shame on ppp.say truth
Why is it that a vibrant judiciary is supposed as a threat to the executive? The case is opposite as it helps the executive to identify its shortcomings and ratify the mistakes. However it cannot replace the roles and responsibilities of the executive and similarly this vacuum cannot be filled by the Army who is engaged in a furious battle against extremist elements
@ propolitics
just tell me what else should be done … whats ur opinion …. ?
@mujtaba. No constitution has been breached. But anyways it is important that we do not debate on differences at this crucial time but rather agree on common factors. The biggest threat to Pakistan at the moment is of terrorism and shaking the democracy will give free hand to militants for carrying out their operations.
@ erajdanish
although my point is that no mater what remains and no mater what gets destroyed … hum rahian na rahian kuch rahay na rahay insaf rehna chahiye … aur agar yeh asool ho ga tu mulk ko kuch nahi honay wala .. werna koi guarantee nahi ……
still leave my opinion for now … lets talk what u think considering u r right tell me …
hows democracy in danger …. ? …
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بجلی مہنگی اور ملے بھی کم، ، گیس مہنگی اور ملے بھی کم، چینی مہنگی اور ملے بھی کم، کرپشن زیادہ، مہنگائی زیادہ، لوٹ مار زیادہ، دھماکے زیادہ، عوام مر گئی ، پر بھٹو آج بھی زندہ ہے إ
It will be a good start for a better Democracy nd better Pakistan if the culprits get punishment through this process…atleast we are not gonna have NRO type of law in future after all the hype created on this law….Politicians in future will think million times before making any of such ordinance with fear that it can be challenged in court anytime….isn’t it a victory already?
@ *RhyMe*
bhai … listen read and see carefully … i think and i may be wrong that ur presumption is wrong about the politicians … u think that these culprits … specially top level people are going to get punishment and that will end their career and/or their ambitions … sir .. i am extremely sorry … its not gonna happen
ap bhi yahin hain main bhi …
shert laga ker kehta hon keh … PPPP will be in government for next term as well … that is not bad … in fact that is good for political stability … but the point of discussion is regarding ur words suggesting that this kind of excercise will eliminate corrupt from our politics …
NOT AT ALL
what SC has done so far is far more than that … it has prolonged our existence as nation… it has given us another chance to live … NRO was a suicide … read history read any where any time and era .. when ever where ever there was any thing like NRO in the history of nations … that particular nation over even empires … destroyed … vanished … gone into the dust of history … and at the moment i want my country to remain on the map of the world …
@To-All-Bros/Sisters-Above:
First of ALL: Let us see what is the definition of power.
STRONG is a person WHO CAN DEFEND HIMSELF ONLY.
STRONGEST are the people…WHO COULD DEFEND OTHERS AS WELL. It is us..we the
pakistani-Patriot public who can defend others as well therefore we fall in REALLY-POWERFUL category. Dont worry, let the time come for Beloved-Pakistan and see
how Nation stands behind the COURTS and crush these TRAITOR families.
@mujtaba-ali
Hello Bhai im not a bhai and tell me what solution do you have then for these criminals? if not legally then what other way do you think is the most suitable one for punishing them?…or you wanna just stick to the policy of “let it go…soo what if they have looted the wealth of nation hundered times and betrayed us thousand ways”
Asif Zardari need not to worry at all. Our stupid, jahil and junglee Awam will always vote for Bhutto Party.
Zardari knows very well that Pakistani Awam only knows three names – Bhutto, Benazir and Zardari. Although it appears that Zardari is not popular but just like 1979 after Bhutto was hanged every body start sympathesing with Bhutto Family. This Awam doesn’t care how much money Zardari has looted, Awam only knows that Zardari has got Bhutto tag…….and this is sufficient to keep him in Power.
His chamchas like Babar Awan, Qamar Kaira, Fauzia Wahab. Rehman Malik etc knows so long Zardari+Bhutto name is there, they have some value othewise without Bhutto tag no one wants to know them.
So my message to Zardari is carry on, only we the Awam is stupid.
@ mujtaba,
آپ کو حقائق اور اعداد چاہیے تو بھٹو کو پھانسی لگانے والے ججوں کی تفصیلات معلوم کیجیے، یہ معلوم کیجیے کے ”جاگ پنجاپی جاگ تیری پگ نو لگیا داغ” کے نعرے کن شہروں کی مسجدوں سے کیے گئے تھے، فوج، افسرشاہی اور میڈیا میں اپنی گرفت کے ذریعے بینظیر کی حکومت کو ختم کرنے میں کس صوبے کی قیادت نے سب سے زیادہ قردار ادا کیا تھا؟ آخر فوج میں سندھیوں اور بلوچیوں کو کیوں مسترد کردیا جاتا ہے؟ آج بھی نواز لیگ 17ویں ترمیم واپس کروانا چاہتی ہے اور صوبائ خودمختاری ہو یا بلوچستان سے چھاؤنیوں کا خاتمہ، پختونخواء کا مسلہ ہو یا قدرتی وسائل پر صوبوں کا قبضہ سب کے خلاف بیان دیتی ہے۔ پہلے نواز لیگ نے بینظیر کا جینا دوبھر کیا اور جب وہ شہید ہوگئیں تو بہت اچھی ہوگئی اور زرداری کے پیچہے لٹھ لے کر پڑگئے ہیں۔ فوج کو تین سال کا فری پاس دینے والا جج آج جمہوری حکومت کو چار مہینے کی مہلت دینے پر احسان جتاتے ہیں، آخر این-آر-او کے تحت معاف ہونے والے مقدمات میں سے 97 فیصد کا تعلق سندھ سے کیوں تھا؟ اس لیے نہیں کہ باقی پاکستان میں کرپشن نہیں ہوتی پر اس لیے کے پاگل نواز شریف کو سندھ کی قیادت کا جینا حرام کرنے کا چسکا لگا تھا۔ آخر افتخار جودھری کو صرف سرے محل کیوں نظر آتا ہے رائونڈ محل کیوں نہیں؟
ظاہر ہے کہ اچّھے برے لوگ سب قوموں میں ہوتے ہیں اور میں قردار اجتماعی ناکہ قردار انفرادی کی بات کر رہا ہوں۔
براہ کرم میرے پوسٹ کے باقی حصوں کا بھی جواب دے دیں۔
@skunk
bahi SC or CJ didnt took suo moto action for Zardari …. remember the case was filled by other people. if you pain that rawaiwind palace is untouched then please consult the courts. I hope you will get the justice too. Secondly CJ is from Bloachistan not from Punjab.
Regarding PMLN, I am not their supported but remember MQM and ANP are the one who talk about “lasaniyaat” and use that card to do blood shed. PPP is also prime example in Karachi who use Sindh card and do blood bath. BB was corrupt before even she died. She died as a CORRUPT person. The prime proof is that she needed NRO with General to get her sins cleaned…. its a day light reality.
Bhutto was also not a saint… he was the one who break Pakistan and called all the eastern Pakistani’s son of p1gs … watch the videos they are widely available. No one want to be treated as p1gs by PM and stay with him… regarding Punjabi’s Punjabi’s never used any Punjab card, they never called names to other communities like in Sindh you have examples, like in NWFP.
bhai …
there is no solution except .. education of nation and continuous democracy … and what punishment u r talking about ……
what can be done with those people with so many public support sindh card and bla bla cards …
what will ne one do abt them … even if judiciary would try to punish them .. establishment will not let them do this in the sake of the federation …
tell me what punishment is given to the Punjab Bank case culprits … just asked to return the partial amount ……..
bhai … bura na manain … ap merey muslaman aur pakisani bhia hi hain … saza aur insaf is mulk main sirf ghareeb k liye ha … taqatwer k liye na koi ehtisab ha na saza aur na us k khilaf koi insaf hota ha …
@ skunk
جی بُہت اچھی باتیں کیں آپ نے … جاگ پنجابی جاگ کا نعرہ کس نے لگایا تھا … وہ میں اچھی طرح جانتا ہوں شائد آپ نہیں جانتے … پہلے یہ بتایں کہ بھٹو کی سترمیں سب سے زیادہ ووٹ کس صوبہ سے ملے تھے …. ؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟ آپ پتا کریں کسی سے بڑے مہربانی کہ … بھٹو کو پھانسی کیوں ہویی تھی .. مری میں اس نے ضیاء سے کیا کہا تھا … وہ باتیں میں پبلک فورم پر نہیں لکھ سکتا …. آپ ١٥ جنوری کا فرنٹ لائیں دیکھیں http://pkpolitics.com/2010/01/15/front-line-15-january-2010/ دیکھیں ڈاکٹر قدیر کیا فرما رہے ہیں کہ بھٹو کو پھانسی کیوں ہویی تھی صرف ایک ہنٹ ہی دیا ہ انہوں نے باقی بات کسی سے پوچھ لیں آپ ورنہ میں آپ کومسسیج کر دوں گا …
ولی خان نے ضیاء سے کیا کہا تھا … جرنل صاحب … قبر ایک ہے اور بندے دو … اب وہ بیسٹ فرنڈ ہیں پی پی پی کے
فوج میں تمام صوبوں کی یکساں نمائندگی ہے اگر کسی کو زیادہ اہمیت دی جاتی ہے تو وہ پوٹھو ہار اور سرحد ہے کیوں کہ انگریز دور سے یہاں سے لوگوں کو فوج ک لئے بُہت موزوں سمجھا جاتا ہ .. البتہ یہ غلط روِش ہے اور اب حکومت اس کو ختم کرنا چاہ رہی ہے ….. ا .. پختون خواہ پر کوئی مخالفت نہیں کر رہا … سب کا متفقہ فیصلہ ہے کہ نام تبدیل ہونا چاہیے لیکن ووہان پر صرف پختون نہیں ہیں ہزارہ کے لوگوں کا کیا قصور ہے اس لئے تجویز یہ ہے کہ نام پختون خواہ ہزارہ رکھ دیا جائے … صوبوں پر وسائل پر بھی سب کا اتفاق ہے کہ صوبوں کے پاس اس کا کنٹرول ہونا چاہیے .. عمل کس نے کرنا ہے … حکومت کس کی ہے ….
آپ کی ساری باتیں .. نواز شریف والی بات سمیت … صرف پنجاب مخالف نفرت پر مبنی ہیں .. اگر آپ کے پاس کوئی ٹھوس بات ہے تو پاتیں .. ورنہ ہمارے پاس آپ کے خالف ظلم کی ڈھیروں داستانیں ہیں … صرف اس لئے چپ رہتے ہیں کہ اگر ہم بھی بولیں گے تو ملک کو ایک رکھنے والا آخری بھایی بھی الگ ہو جائے گا … ورنہ .. ارسا سے جا کر پتا کریں کہ کس کو کتنا پانی ملتا ہے … اور پتا کریں کہ سرحد بجلی کا کتنا بل دیتا ہے … اور پتا کریں کہ بلوچستان میں گیس کی رایلٹی کس کو جاتی ہے اور کتنی جاتی ہے … اور اس کے ساتھ ساتھ … خدا کا کچھ خوف بھی کریں … بڑی عنایت ہو گی …
@ mujtaba-ali:
اسلام علیكم =جناب بھٹو صاحب بی بی شہید كو زرداری سے ملانا ان لیڈروں كی توہین ہے,, كیا بات كرتے ہیں !!!اگر كرپشن كو روكنے
كے لیے كرپٹ ادمی كو كرپٹ كہا جاے !!تو اس میں جمہوریت كو كون سا فرق پرٹا ہے ????بات مختصر زرداری صاحب اور ان كا ٹولا صرزرداری صاحب كو كیوں جمہوریت سے وابسطہ كرتا ہے ???كوئی گلا نئی صاحب كے بارے میں بات كیوں نہیں كرتا چاہے وہ میڈیا ہو یا كوئی اور ادارہ ???8اٹھ سال تك اپنے كیسز كو تارخیں اگے ڈلوا كر تویل كرانا ,,اگر كرپشن نہیں ہے ,,تو عدالتوں كا سامنا كرو بابا
اوّل تو یہ کہ اس حکومت کے مخالفین سب کچھ بولتے ہیں سچ اور جھوٹ اور اس کے بعد کہتے ہیں کہ ہمارہ منہ نہ کھلوائیے۔ فرنٹ لائن کا پروگرام دیکھنے سے قاصر ہوں لہزہ آپ بتا دیجیے کہ کیا کہا گیا تو اس کا جواب دے دوں گا۔
بقیہ یہ کہ اس میں کوئ شکّھ نہیں کہ بھٹو کو سب سے زیادہ ووٹ پنجاب سے پڑے اور یہ کے سب سے زیادہ پھانسیاں بھی پنجاب کے جیالوں نے کھائیں لیکن انکو پھانسی لگانے میں بھی سب سے بڑا کردار پنجابی اسٹیبلشمنٹ نے ادا کیا۔ چاہے وہ جج ہو یا جرنیل۔
فوج میں بھرتیوں کے متعلق آپ نے بجا طور پوٹوار کا ذکر کیا اور وہ بھی پنجاب میں ہی ہے، پر جو بات آپ سمجھنا نہیں چاہ رہے وہ اجتماعی رویّہ کی ہے۔ مثال کے طور پر آپ اوپر کہے گیے سپرکریچر کے ریمارکس ہی پڑھ لیں یہ پنجاب کی پڑھی لکھی مڈل کلاس کا عام رویہ ہے۔
صوبوں پر وسائل پر بھی سب کا اتفاق ہے کہ صوبوں کے پاس اس کا کنٹرول ہونا چاہیے۔ آپ شاید نواز لیگ کے راہ نماؤں کے بیانات سے واقف نہیں بالخصوص احسن اقبال، کیپٹن صفدر اور عابد شیر علی جو کئ بار اسکے بر خلاف بیان دے چکے ہیں۔ اس سے بڑھ کر وہ کہتے ہیں کہ ان مدّوں کو بعد میں دیکھے گے پہلے ستھرویں ترمیم واپس کرتے ہیں جو ابھی کرنے پر راضی نہیں تو وہ یہ بعد میں کیوں کریں گے؟
پختون خواہ پر کوئی مخالفت نہیں کر رہا۔ اس جملے کی تردید تو آپ نے خودہی اگلے جملے میں کر دی۔ ہزارہ کے لوگوں کے حق کی بات کرنی ہے تو قابل قبول متبادل پیش کریں، اور اگر ہزارے کے لوگوں کو سرحد سے کوئ مسلہ نہیں تو پختونخواء سے کیا پرخاش ہے؟
ارسا سے جا کر پتا کریں کہ کس کو کتنا پانی ملتا ہے؟ یہ بھی بتائے کہ ضیا کہ سیاہ دور میں کی جہلم-چناب کی سیلابی لنک کنال کو پورے سال کے لیے کھول دیا گیا اور جب نواز دور میں پانی بند کردیا گیا یہاں تک کہ ہاریوں نے احتجاج اپنے باغات کاٹ ڈالے اور پھر تھل میں نہریں بنائیں گئیں تو یہ ڈیڑھ سال پانی ملنا کیوں کھٹکرہا ہے؟
بلوچستان کو اب سے حق بجانب روئلٹی ملنا شروع ہوگی ورنہ چند سرداروں کو رشوت ملتی تھی اور کچھ نہیں۔
… اور پتا کریں کہ سرحد بجلی کا کتنا بل دیتا ہے تو یہ بھی پتا کر لیجیے گا کہ وہ کس قیمت پر بجلی پیدا کرتا ہے اور یہ کہ باقی جگہوں پر بھی خرچ کے مقابلے کتنی بجلی پیدا کرتا ہے۔
ہاں ایک بات اور وہ یہ کہ واقعہ ہی شاید پنجاب اتنا برا نہ کرتا ہو بر چونکہ پنجاب کے زیادہ تر راہنما ہمیشہ فوج کے ساتھ کھڑا ہونا پسند کرتے ہیں تو فوج کے تمام گناہوں کا الزام انہی پر لگتا ہے، اگر آپ یہ نہیں سمجھنا چاہتے کہ فوج نے پاکستان کی تاریخ میں بہت خراب کردار ادا کیا ہے اور اسکی زمہ داری صرف چند جرنیلوں پر عائد نہیں ہوتی تو میرے پاس شائد تنقید کے علاوہ کچھ نہیں ہے۔
@ super creature, there is a great health care facility for mentally challenged persons located in Hyderabad, I will request the PPP led Sindh government to bear all your expenses on your visit there as it is evident that you need help.
@ mujtaba, I do agree that continuous democracy is the only solution but as it is our beloved CJ is fast becoming the biggest obstacle to this continuous process. Indeed the best thing for democracy would be that PPP government is ousted through the ballot at the end of its tenure but it seems the CJ has other plans. Was the releasing of detailed judgment when there was already a controversy going on about the judges appointment a coincidence?
No conspiracy against President: Nafis
KARACHI: Former Secretary General Pakistan People’s Party (PPP) Sindh Nafis Siddiqui said that ministers, who were benefited under the NRO, should resign and face cases.
“There is no conspiracy against President Asif Ali Zardari,” Nafis said at a press conference Friday at his residence.
He said democracy is not the name of one person. Democracy could be strengthened with strong institutions.
He further said that a forum will be formed in two weeks time, where democratic forces will work together on public issues.
http://www.geo.tv/1-22-2010/57566.htm
It is a shame that the PPP NOW has people like Babar Awan.
Review petition does not defer court verdict: Aitzaz
“There will be no need for requesting the army’s help for implementation of the Supreme Court’s verdict; the court can get things done through issuing orders to the government secretaries,” he said in reply to a question.
He said an order of seizing the President’s assets cannot be translated from the Supreme Court’s verdict. Chairman NAB has the authority to order seizure of the President’s assets under the law but there can be differing opinions on the moral position of the NAB Chairman if he decides so.
http://www.geo.tv/1-22-2010/57565.htm
@ shunk
میرے عزیز .. میرے بھائی … یہی تو بات ہے .. بات اجتمایی رویئے کی ہی تو ہے .. جس کو اپ اجتمایی رویہ کہ رہےہیں وہ اجتمایی نہیں ہے … لیکن پہلے آپ کی پہلی بات .. میں اس حکومت کا ہر گز دشمن نہیں ہوں .. میرےپرانے بلاگز اگر آپ کی نظر سے گزریں تو آپ دیکھلیں کہ ایسا نہیں ہے …میں اس حکومت کا طرف دار ہوں .. اور یہ حکومت مجھے اتنی ہی عزیز ہے جتنی آپ کو .. ہاں جو بھی شخص نیک نیتی سے کوئی بات کرتا ہے تو وہ اپنے مخالف کو جھوٹا ہی سمجھتا ہے .. لیکن میرے خیال میں یہ معلومات کی کمی بھی ہو سکتی ہے … یہاں اس طرح کے فورمز پر کسی کو قائل کرنا تقریبآ نہ ممکن ہے … میں اس بحث میں نہیں پڑنا چاہتا کہ نواز لیگ کیا کہتی ہے ..لیکن میری معلومات کے مطابق تو وہ … خود صوبایی خودمختاری کا مطالبہ کر رہے ہیں اور اس میں ان کا بھی فائدہ ہے .. پختون خواہ ہزارہ کا مشورہ بھی نواز شریف نے دیا ہے .. اور اسی بات پر عرض کرتا ہوں کہ .. یہاں معلومات کی کمی کا مسلہ ہے ساتھ ساتھ اندھی محبتوں اور اندھی نفرتوں کا بھی …
اور غلط فہمیوں میں سے سب سے بڑی غلط فہمی یہ ہے کہ اسٹبلشمنٹ پنجابی ہے اگر ایسا ہوتا تو مشرف کبھی نواز شریف کے ساتھ بغاوت نہ کر سکتا .. اصل میں مثلا ہی یہ ہے کہ … لوگ .. عوام تو عوام .. یہ سیاست دان تک یہ سمجھنے سے قاصر رہے ہیں کہ اسٹبلشمنٹ کا کوئی مذہب ہے نہ قومیت … وہ بُہت اور طرح سے سوچتی ہے … نواز شریف نے مشرف کو غلط ترقی دے کر چیف اس لئے بنایا تھا … کہ اسٹبلشمنٹ میں اکثریت پنجابیوں کی ہے تو وہ پنجابی ک خلاف ایک سندھی جرنیل کا ساتھ نہیں دیں گے لیکن .. یہی غلط فہمی ہے سب کی .. اسٹبلشمنٹ کی ایک الگ قوم ہے اور اس قوم کا نام بھی اسٹبلشمنٹ ہے …
آپ کو اگر میری بات سمجھ نہ آیا تو پنجاب آ کر دیکھ لیں .. یہاں پر ہمارے ساتھ یہ اسٹبلشمنٹ کیا سلوک روا رکھتی ہے .. جو ظلم پنجابیوں پر یہ نام نہاد پنجابی اسٹبلشمنٹ کرتی ہے اس کا عشر عشیر بھی دوسروں صوبوں میں ہو تو قیامت آ جائے … آپ خود آ کر دیکھ لیں .. یا یہ پڑھ لیں … کچھ اندازہ ہو جائے گا … اور رہی نفرتوں کی بات …
http://www.insaf.pk/Forum/tabid/53/forumid/1/postid/12682/view/topic/Default.aspx
. دیکھیں … تھوڑا پیچھے جایں اور دیکھیں کہ ہمارے درمیان نفرت کے بیج کس نے بؤے .. قائد نے .. اقبال نے .. لیاقت علی خان نے ؟؟؟ نہیں … اس کا آغاز ایوب سے ہوا … سندھ اور پنجاب میں پانی کا جھگڑا کہاں سے آیا … ایک خبیث تھا .. جرنل جیلانی .. پنجاب کا گورنر تھا … کالا باغ کی لڑایی کس نے شروع کی ایک اور خبیث تھا جرنل فضل .. سرحد کا گورنر تھا …
میرے بھائی آپ کی باتیں نہ صرف سخت تھیں بل کہ اندھی نفرت میں بجھی ہویی تھیں اس لئے مجھے سخت الفاظ کا استمال کرنا پر .. میں اس کے لئے معزرت خواہ ہوں … لیکن سچ یہ ہے کہ مجھے دنیا میں جو قوم سب سے پسند ہے وہ سندھی اور ہزارہ ہے .. اور شہروں میں شہر لاہور ہے اور ان سب کی وجہ لوگ ہیں .. نہ کوئی قوم سندھیوں سے زیادہ محبت کر سکتی ہے اور نہ کسی میں لاہوریوں کے خلوص کا کوئی ثانی ہے … یہ بات لکھنے کی وجہ یہ ہے کہ .. آپ کی میں ساری باتیں مان سکتا ہوں سواے اس کے کہ .. یہ اجتمایی رویہ ہے .. مجھے امید ہے کہ آپ نے اشفاق احمد صاحب کا زاویہ پڑھا ہو گا یا دیکھا ہو گا .. اس میں ایک پنجابی لڑکی کے سخی شہباز قلندر ک دربار پر حاضری کا قصّہ ہے .. نہیں پڑھا تو پڑھیں .. قسم کھا کر کہتا ہوں کے اشفاق احمد سچ کہتے ہیں .. جب تک … پنجاب کی بیٹی سندھ کے درباروں پر اپنی جھولی پھیلَے کھڑی ہو گی اور جب تک سندھ ک بیٹے اپنی اجرک سے اس کا سر ڈھانپتے راہیں گے … اس وطن پر کوئی انچ نہیں آ سکتی …
@ shunk …
میرے خیال میں مجھے مزید وضاحت کی ضرورت نہیں ہے .. میں نے اپنی طرف سے ساری باتوں کا خلاصہ لکھا ہے .. میں آپ کی تمام باتوں کا سیر حاصل جواب رکھتا ہوں … لیکن یہ جگہ مشکل ہے … اور ساتھ ساتھ مجھے احساس ہے کہ آپ ایک معقول آدمی ہیں … اگر بات کو سمجھنا چاہوں تو جو لکھا ہے وہ کافی ہے .. اگرنہ چاہیں تو .. کتابیں بھی ناکافی ہیں …
@ aftab: It’s just a good cop bad cop policy, Gilani, Nafis, Nabeel Gabol etc are good cops where as Zardari, Zulfikar Mirza, Babar Awan etc are bad cops. A simple but time tested strategy. Also Aitzaz Ahsan also says that the verdict asks that all cases be further dealt in accordance with law and thus Constitution forbids any action against the President.
@skunk: I think we agree on a ceasefire for now, however, I already said that the problem is that Punjab’s standing up along side fawj that is the biggest reason for all the criticism.
oye I meant @ mujtaba
@shunk
bro … i ll again give examples tell u names times .. events that who supported establishment and when …
but dont want to go in that .. as i said .. its up to u now … i leave every thing to u … so as u like …
but just one thing to mention .. there are only 2 sects .. establishment and civilians … every one is either of 2 …..
if u want to understand what is establishment with a literal perspective and analysis …. luckily u can do this watch this
http://pkpolitics.com/2010/01/21/hasb-e-haal-21-january-2010/
and unfortunately we are civilians … either punjabi or sindhi .. and we are victumsw and we dont .. in fact we can not like establishment for what they have done so far with us and with our country ….
ap se sirf itna gila hai … keh ap abhi bhi na kuch perh rahay hain na reserch ker rahay hain … aur abhi bhi usi bat per hain ….
kia yeh zulm nahi hai .. keh mazloom ko zalim kahay jana … aur is bat ki perwah hi na kerna keh yeh jo bekwas ker raha ha woh shaid such hi ho …
I think this is probably never gonna end mujtaba. We are civilians and the biggest representative of establishment is one institution. Which is worshiped in one province where as hated in others for very genuine reasons. To make my self clear, I believe, that left to its own this government will do a lot of good if it is allowed to complete its tenure despite being led by Zardari. The opposition and the media talk of playing their part but how they act does not have any parallels in any other democracy proper one or in transition. A dog dies in some obscure street and it seems that the government will fall. The problem is that if people of Sindh have voted of MQM or PPP there are reasons for it not just because we like them. The judiciary has already lost its grace through out Sindh due to the manner it dealt the NRO issue, flaunting it in face and waiting six hours to give a verdict. If people should give resignations when allegations are made about them, how was Musharraf’s asking CJ to resign wrong? Today people of Sindh and Balochistan alike are truly sorry that they ever supported the lawyers movement. I think that Ali Ahmed Kurd’s statements should give you some food for thought.
@ mujtaba-ali;
( ایك پاكستانی كے خیالات )
اصحاب کرام کی اکثریت بتوں کو پوجتی رھی لکین جب انہوں نے اپنی پرانی روش کو چھوڑ دیا تو اللہ نہ صرف ان کے درجات کو بلند کر دیا
بلکہ اب تک ان کا نام زندہ ھے
پرویز مشرف کے ددوسرے مارشل لا کا فائدہ پی پی پی کو ھوا جب کے ججز نے اس مارشل لا کے خلاف فیصلہ دے دیا۔۔۔۔۔
چیف جسٹس اور اس کے ساتھیوں نے اپنی غلطیوں کا ازالہ اپنے فیصلوں سے کر دیا اور آپ کی یاد دھانی کے واسطے عرض ھے کہ اس وقت جسٹس افتخار چیف نہیں تھا جب مشرف کو سند اقتدار ملی تھی
چیف جسٹس کو کھبی بھی کسی نہ فرشتہ نہیں کہا اور نہ مشرف کی جارحیت کو روکنا اس اکیلے کا فرض تھا
اس وقت جب ساری قوم بشمول پی پی پی گلیوں میں مٹھائیاں بانٹ رھی تھی تو ججز
کے فیصلوں پر عمل دررآمد کس نے کروانا تھا
اب جب کہ عوام کی اکثریت ترکاری اور اس کی حکومت کو گالیاں دے رھی ھے تب کونسا فیصلوں پر عمل ھو رھا ھے
چیف جسٹس اور اس کے ساتھویں نے تو اپنے فیصلوں سے ثابت کر دیا کے انہوں نے اپنی پرانی روش چھوڑ دی ھے
لیکن
جس حکومت میں اک دن میں چار ھزار سے زیادہ ادویات اعجاز جھخڑانی کی وجہ سے رجسٹر ھوں
جس ملک میں اربوں کی زمیں کوڑیوں کے بھاو زورداری صاحب خرید لیں
جس حکومت میں ھر روز غضب کرپشن کی عجب کہانیان منظر عام پر آتی ھوں کیا اس حکومت میں شامل افراد نے توبہ کر لی ھے
@skunk
Do note that I am born and brought up in Hyderabad. Just blaming me as a average Punjabi is just your cheap mind. Perhaps you need some rehab and take some urgent care. What I mentioned was based on fact, that is why you had no answer. People like you just p1ssed pants when you doesnt get any way to run. like you can see in your arguments… you cannot grow up more than Ethnicity. Secondly I dont need to get sponsor from your or your corrupt ppp led govtment. Get yourself and siblings taken care by PPP led government 1000 monthly bone … chill out
یہی تو سوال ہے کہ یہ جج اصحابہ اکرام میں سے ہیں یا پھر یا پھر عبداللہ ابن ابي میں سے؟
اور ایک ہی چینل ہے جو کہ مشرف کے لیے تو میٹرولائٹ جیسا سبز باغ نشر کرتا تھا اور زرداری کے لیے عجب کرپشن کی غضب کہانی چلاتا ہے۔ ذرا مشرف کے آٹھ اور ضیا کے گیارہ سالہ دور کے بارے میں بھی کچھ چلادے تاکہ لوگوں کو یہ بھی پتا چل جاۓ کے کرپشن میں کمی آئ ہے کے اضافہ ہوا ہے۔
ایك چینل اگر كچھ كہ رہا ہے تو اس كا جواب دیا جا سكتا ہے …………………حكومتی دنشوروں كے ساتھ! جو اس چینل پہ ان اینكرز كے سوالات یا كمپین كا جواب دے !مگر جب بات كرپشن كی ہو تو!!! اس كا جواب دینا تو مشكل ہے!!! اور جو كمپین ججوں كے خلاف چل رہی ہے اس كو كون چلا رہا ہے??? یہ وہ جج ہیں !!!!!!جن كو عوام نے بحال كروایا ہے ,اب ان كے فیصلوں پر عمل بھی كرواے گی انشااللہ
ہر جگہ اچھے برے لوگ ہوتے ہیں. TV چننلس میں بھی یا ہے معاملا ہے. مگر میڈیا میں پھر بھی اچھے لوگوں کو ratio ان گوورنمنٹ کے لوگوں سے بوہوت زیادہ ہے.
ان ججوں کو خود عزّت راس نہیں اتی تو کسی اور کا کیا قصور؟ ایسی حرکتیں ہی کیوں کرتے ہیں کے لوگوں ان پر انگلی اٹھانے کا موقع ملے؟ روز روز کے بیانات کی وجہ سے چیف جسٹس نے اپنے آپ کو خود متنازع بنایا ہے۔ ایک وقت تھا کہ بار ان کی آمد پر لبالب بھرا ہوتا ہے اب جب یہ جاتے ہیں تو حاضرین انگلیوں پر گنے جاسکتے ہیں۔ اگر کسی نے اپنی غلطیوں سے کچھ نہیں سیکھا تو وہ ہے افتخار چوہدری، جلد ہی عوام ان کو انسان بنا دے گی۔
Hey operator, it would be quite helpful if you embolden or enlarge the font size for urdu script.
Mubsher Lokman abusing CJ and Atzaz with the support of Fauzia wahab and waseem akhtar.
Ithink this loqman is commenting somewhere in this forum with id????
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlzJgXxVMko&feature=player_embedded
@ supercreature, what you said was based on anything but fact, the foremost amongst the maxims of justice is innocent until proven guilty, Benazir Bhutto despite immense fabrication was not convicted by even your very own justice Iftikhar.
Lasaniyat card was played by who? Had you read my earlier posts you would have known that what happened in 88 election, even the current Sindh Card scenario started when PPP Sindh put up its demands in the NFC meeting, the leagues started blabbing about Sindh card, further more Zardari had worn Sindhi topi on plenty of occasions before but some how Dr SM labelled it Sindh card. MQM and ANP are representative of their people and have their mandates as much as PML N and Q. As for Bhutto, why dont you give me the links to the video so I can watch them, even the most blatant statement of Bhutto was misquoted, the line idher tum udhar hum wasn’t even uttered by him, ask Abbas Athar the editor at the time of the paper, I think. Iss say bara Punjab card kya hoga key baat baat per kehte hain ke long march karein ge?
جو كمپین ججوں كے خلاف چل رہی ہے اس كو كون چلا رہا ہے??? یہ وہ جج ہیں !!!!!!جن كو عوام نے بحال كروایا ہے ,اب ان كے فیصلوں پر عمل بھی كرواے گی انشااللہ
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ççççççççççççççççççççççççççççç جتنی مرضی كوششیں كر لیں اب یہ جج ہی انصاب كا بول بالا كریں گے
In a programme by Mubashar Lucman with guests of MQM and Fauzia Wahab – they openly abused CJ Iftikhar Chaudhry saying that he should have been booked and punishable by death. Lucman claims that CJ Iftikhar Chaudhry was responsible for May 12 incident.
This video can be seen on You tube and also on pakistanpapers . com
Shame on Lucman but a must watch video.
Fauzia Wahab called Iftikhar Chaudhry a character like Sajjad Ali Shah
??فوزیہ وہاب تو اس وقت بھی فرماتی تھی جج بحال نہیں ہو سكتے!!!! یہ جج سیاسی ہو گئے ہاں فوزیہ كی اپنی كیا كریڈبیلٹی ہے
@skunk
About Long march, there is actually no place for marches in Sindh, so in Punjab they have long marches to Islamabad. MQM do Rallies in ?Karachi all the time. whats the difference. Regarding ethnicity, MQM, ANP and PPP has used ethnicity cards than any other party. Why you are burning for Long Marches? Long Marches are not like your 12 May or recent killing where thousands of people are killed every years by your boss Altafoo.. you are such a guy who will just p1ss on those dead people and leave.
videos. desishock. net/ index.php?module=item&action=show_item_full&itemurl=aHR0cDovL3lvdXR1YmUuY29tLz92PU1TYjhJbHAtMWtj
Stay happy. you are ignorent
@ shunk sai d
…. PPP Sindh put up its demands in the NFC meeting, the leagues started blabbing about Sindh card, ……..
yaaar … koi thorra sa khyda ka khauf karo … NFC main punjab ke awam ne apna pait kat ker chotay soobon ko dia hai .. abhi tum khush nahi ho … zalimo …
Mubashir Lucman ki eisy ki tesy, beghairath admi blaming CJ for may 12 when that gunda and murderer Wasim Akhtar was sitting in front of him.
“…. PPP Sindh put up its demands in the NFC meeting, the leagues started blabbing about Sindh card, ……..
yaaar … koi thorra sa khyda ka khauf karo … NFC main punjab ke awam ne apna pait kat ker chotay soobon ko dia hai .. abhi tum khush nahi ho … zalimo …”
mera bhai aisa bolnay say pehlay bohat achi tarhan soch lo k kia keh rahay ho “NFC main punjab ke awam ne apna pait kat ker chotay soobon ko dia hai .. abhi tum khush nahi ho … zalimo …” kyun k 70% revenue karachi say ata hai aur Karachi Sindh ka hissa hai aur iss lihaz say Sindhi aur muhajir aur dosray Karachi k loog subah 7 bajay uthtay hain kaam k liye aur raat 2 bajay sootay hain kyunk inn ko poray mulk ko kama k daina hota hai aur wahan Punjab main raat k 9 bajay say hi sanatta ho jata hai iss liye kuch soch samaj kar bolo agar ajj yeh ilan kardiya jai k “har sobay apnay wasail k khud zimidar hain” to shayad Punjab ko diwalia honay mai aik saal bhi na lagay kyunk Punjab k pass pani aur khrak k illawa kuch nahi hai dena ko yahan tak k Dam bhi NWFP/Pakhtunkwa main hain aur un ki royalty tak nahi miili un ko aur to aur Punjab ki gas bhi Sindh k Qadirpur gas field aur Balochistan Sui say miti hai….NFC award say jitnay Sindh aur Baluchistan k haqook maray gai hain tarikh mai uss ki misal nahi milti issi liya ajj hum mokamal Subai khudmukhtari ki baat kar rahay hai kyun k NFC k zarye humm say haqook cheen kar aik Baray sobay ki jhooly mai daal diye hain sirf iss bunyad per k Punjab ki abadi ziada thi baaki kuch nahi tha…
Thora sa to khayal karo yeh khenay say pehlay k Karachi k loog apnay khone pasinay say iss mulk ko 710% revenue day rahay hain jis k badlay inn ko bhik mai 5% say 10% dia jata hai aur tum loog khatay ho k “hum logoon nay apna pait kata” had hoti hai kissi baat ki….
CJ asked to reconsider recommendation to appoint judge
While accepting the advice of Prime Minister, the President has asked the Chief Justice to reconsider his earlier recommendation, so that most senior judge in the Lahore High Court be appointed as Judge of the Supreme Court.
http://www.aaj.tv/news/National/157717_detail.html
I hope CJ does not back down.
Rehman Malik may be the first to face the axe
Interior Minister Rehman Malik is faced with an immediate threat of disqualification as member of the Parliament and the federal cabinet and is also liable to be put behind the BARS if the Supreme Court judgment on NRO is implemented by the government.
These facts disqualify him as a senator and also make him vulnerable to be arrested for being a proclaimed absconder. The minister’s counsel Amjad Iqbal Qureshi said that Malik’s conviction in absentia in two NAB references has been suspended by the Lahore High Court (LHC) that, according to Qureshi, also granted him bail in those cases.
Amjad Qureshi, who was appointed as judge of the Islamabad High Court (IHC) by the present government on Dogar’s recommendation but lost the same because of the apex court’s July 31 judgment, was however, unaware of the FIA cases against Malik in which the interior minister is reportedly still an absconder.
http://www.thenews.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=26839
Hopefully the day is not to far Inshallah.
ANALYSIS: Democracy under siege —Dr Hasan-Askari Rizvi
It is interesting that no political leader is talking about Zardari’s impeachment through parliament because the opposition does not have the required number. They are toying with the idea of extra-parliamentary pressure to force him to resign or they are hoping that non-elected institutions of the state like the military and the judiciary will do the ‘job’ in their own ways. It would be unfortunate if these two institutions force Zardari out of office.
The key issue pertains to the day after Zardari is knocked out. The opposition hopes that the PPP minus Zardari will continue to hold on to power but this may not materialise. If the cabinet and other PPP leaders in key official positions decide to quit, Pakistan faces an institutional and democratic crisis. It will be an uphill task for the military to create an alternate governmental structure. Perhaps it may work towards contriving a new power coalition around the PML-N. It is not clear if the PML-N would like to accept the offer when its options to function autonomously will be constrained by the initiators of this move. Can a stable and coherent government be established by excluding the two mainstream political parties? The answer is no.
Individuals and institutions cannot be separated. Any extra-constitutional or extra-parliamentary move to dislodge Zardari is likely to be highly dangerous for enduring democracy and civilian primacy. Our political forces have to ponder over other political options in order to avoid the risk of losing the initiative to non-representative state institutions.
Dr Hasan-Askari Rizvi is a political and defence analyst
NRO and conspiracy theories
Once again the country is abuzz with all sorts of conspiracy theories after the Supreme Court released its detailed verdict on the National Reconciliation Ordinance (NRO). The devious equation of power in Pakistan coupled with our rather mumbo-jumbo notion of statehood topped with our home-grown conflation of faith and politics has turned the pastime of conspiracy theory into quite a norm in this country. This time the victim of all these conspiracy theories is President Zardari, but if things are seen in the larger context, it is democracy that may turn out to be the foremost victim.
There was nothing new in the detailed judgement of the NRO, except that the verdict had some religious undertones. The detailed judgement said that, “Citing a book tilted ‘Muhammad (PBUH) Encyclopaedia of Seerah’, which envisages that principle of equality in Islam is an essential requisite of justice because when there is discrimination and partiality between the people, there is no justice. The NRO was not even in consonance with the injunctions of Islam.” By terming the NRO un-Islamic, some people are of the view that Article 62(f) will be invoked to challenge the eligibility of Mr Asif Ali Zardari as the President of Pakistan.
Just because the detailed judgement has been released, it does not mean that the democratically elected government is about to go. The prime minister has shown his full support for the president and assured him that nobody will be singled out. In other words, if the president goes, so does the government. As for those who are demanding the resignations of the ministers who were beneficiaries of the NRO, they need to wait till the trials against these ministers have ended. There were only a handful of ministers who have been accused of corruption and benefitted from the NRO. People are jumping the gun by declaring them guilty of corruption. We should wait for the judicial process to take its course. Even if these ministers resign, will the government fall simply because of these few individuals? The PPP government’s majority will not disappear, which means that constitutionally its government cannot be removed. If the opposition thinks that the forces inimical to democracy will take some unconstitutional steps to pave the way for them, they may be in for a surprise. All state institutions are responsible enough and aware of the fact that such an intervention would be damaging to the federation in the present circumstances. Any such move will not only undermine democracy in the country, it could also lead to far-reaching consequences that Pakistan can ill afford at this point in time.
So far as President Zardari is concerned, the NRO verdict does not even mention Article 248, which provides him immunity from any criminal proceedings. By not touching upon this Article, the superior judiciary has proved to be quite sagacious. The anti-Zardari elements in the country are using propaganda tactics to pressurise the president, knowing full well that there is not much they can do legally against the president. No harm will come to the president and his office, therefore the wishful thinking of Zardari’s opponents has become ‘null and void’.
Political opportunists need to realise that by demanding an end of this government, they are actually asking for an end to democracy. They need to stop salivating at the thought of the fall of the president and/or the present government and let this government complete its tenure. The people’s verdict should decide the fate of a government; not wishful thinking. *
@ yahya87
70% revenue karachi se ata ha
tu bhai phir criteria change karain aur revenue ki base per resource allocate karain … phir bochistan ko raqbay ki base per dain aur punjab ko anaj uaganay aur pani ki rayalti dain jo is ki sarzameen se guzarta ha
bal keh you kairain keh mulk ko torr ker 4 5 mulk bana lain …
merey khial main ap aisay hi khush hon gay …
aur ap ja ker is NFC ki details perhain keh kis ko kitna share maila ha aur kis base per …
Dr Babar Awan is the law minister, so what else one can expect.
Zardari’s role in being investigated now by the French court, good news indeed. More filth for this disgusting man who killed Murtaza and BB.
Dr B@st@rd Awan is the law minister, so what else one can expect.
Zardari’s role in being investigated now by the French court, good news indeed. More filth for this disgusting man who killed Murtaza and BB.
The Zardari government accepts the NRO judgment. However, at the same time people of Pakistan are painting the Supreme Court (SC) as being politically motivated. The co-chairman of the PPP and the President of Pakistan Asif Ali Zardari, is being maligned and severely under attack on alleged corruption charges and naturally PPP would defend and foil every attempt against its leader and it will protect him at all costs. President Zardari said that he is not afraid from accountability, no matter from the cases outside Pakistan. Hence, no one may be justified to dismiss the government’s attack as being mala fide. However, the government is not the only one accusing the court of playing politics. There are others, especially independent and impartial observers, who have expressed similar views.
@ mujtaba and yahya: the post was about how the Sindh card crap came out, while I do not totally agree with the scenario ke Punjab ne pait kaat ker doosron ko paisay diye, per what it did was momentous and therefore appreciated by everyone.
Mera post dobara parhein, it only refers to how the Sindh card issue came about, probably if N-League in particular would bother gagging people like Ch Nisar and Ahsan Iqbal, you will find more people in Sindh praising N-League.
As at today/15 Feb 2010
Excellent, Admin PK……10/10
It’s incumbant upon each of us the patriotic citizens of Pakistan to support our current independent judiciary. We must unite firm to protect our judiciary against the evil designs of zardari and his company, as independent judiciary is the only only institution that can save our bleved country.
Pakistan is hanging there by the independent judiciary only and is crying out loud for help. I appeal to the wukala brathery, members of the civil society, media and all the politicians to unite together and protect the sacred institution of our country.
Massive assault on our independent judiciary is under way.
Jo sindhi, AZ jasie dakoon ko vote daite hain, unko chahiye ke apna alag mulk bana lain aur hamari jaan chooren.
CJ Zindabad…
@mir munsif
Presidential post is supposed to be neutral and unbiased. It is supposed to be uncontroversial Ceremonious and act as a figurehead of state.
Question is , by the very definition of “politicization” by PPPZ , and by the facts evident to the rest of the world, but vehimently denied by a very small subset of PPPZ traitors unfortunately in power, current president of Pakistan is no more and uncontrovercial and unconstitutional figure head of the country. If PPPZ says that Supreme Court of Pakistan and the CJ of Pakistan are politically motivated and should be removedé replaced they why not President of Pakistan. Atleast CJ is not the head of ruling party as President of Pakistan is.
Second question If PPP accepts that 17th amendment is infact a dagger in the back of constitution of Pakistan, which it does not deny, then why not eradicate it completely with an executive order and restore powers to the prime minister. What is stopping them.
Please dont start your usual babling about the sacrafice for democracy because PPP has given sacrifice but not PPPZ.
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