اپنی پسندیدہ شخصییت کو اپنی پسندیدہ پوسٹ پر رکھنا آمرانہ سوچ کی عکاسی کرتا ہے. چیف جسٹس اپنی اجارہ داری قایم رکھنے کے لیے خواجہ شریف کو لاہور ہائی کورٹ میں رکھنا چاہتے ہیں کیونکہ انہیں جسٹس ثاقب نثار کی بجائے خواجہ شریف پر زیادہ بھروسہ ہے. بالکل اسی طرح اپنی اجارہ داری قایم رکھنے زرداری نے کرپٹ ہونے کے باوجود لطیف کھوسہ اور بابر اعوان جیسے لوگوں کو انتہائی اہم عہدوں پر بٹھا رکھا ہے. چیف جسٹس اور حکومت میرٹ کی دھجیاں اڑانے کے لیے آئین کا سہارہ لے رہے ہیں. اسی آئین کا سہارا لیکر زارداری اپنی کرپشن کو چھپا رہے ہیں. کوئی بھی سنیارٹی اور میرٹ کے سنہری اصول کو اپنے پر تیار نہیں. حکومت سے تو کسی میرٹ یا اخلاقی قدر پر عمل کرنے کی کبھی توقع نہ تھی لیکن چیف جسٹس نے آمرانہ سوچ کا اظہار کرکے اپنے بہت سے چاہنے والوں کو مایوس کیا اور کوئی اچھی مثال قایم نہیں کی. محض حکومت کو نیچا دکھانے کیلیے ایک سنہری اصول کو بالائے تاک رکھنے کی ان سے امید نہ تھی
لگ یہ رہا ہے کہ ایوانِ صدر کے مکین کو ایک سے ایک نادر مسائل جمع کرنے کا شوق ہے
یہ سب ہونا تو تھا لیکن ویلنٹائن ڈے کے بعد ہوتا تو اچھا تھا۔ سال میں ایک ہی دن تو آتا ہے جب ہر دل نرم ہونا چاہئے۔جب گلاب کی حکمرانی اور خوش کلامی کی فراوانی ہونی چاہئے۔کم ازکم یومِ محبت پر ، عاجلانہ فیصلے ، کشیدگی، گالم گفتار، تیز مزاجی، الزام تراشی، پتلا سوزی اور بے یقینی کی فضا اچھی نہیں لگتی۔
مگر کیا کریں کوتاہ نظری، ہٹ دھرمی ، اپنی ناک اونچی رکھنے اور دوسرے کی ناک رگڑوانے کی خواہش نے بحیثیت مجموعی دل و دماغ کی کنڈیشننگ کچھ اس طرح کردی ہے کہ جس دن گالی سنائی نہ دے، کسی کو برا بھلا نہ کہہ لیا جائے ، کسی کی انا کے آگے بین نہ بجا لی جائے یا دوسرے کا منہ نہ چڑا لیا جائے ۔ نہ تو ہمارے دماغ کو سکون ملتا ہے نہ ہی دل خوش ہوتا ہے۔
آپ کو تو اچھی طرح معلوم ہے کہ پچھلے دو برس میں آپ نے کتنے فیصلے یکطرفہ طور پر کرنےکی کوشش کی لیکن یہ فیصلے آپ کو چارو ناچار بادلِ نخواستہ واپس لینے پڑے۔جیسے معطل ججوں کی بحالی پر آپ اور آپ کے حواریوں کا مسلسل موقف رہا کہ یہ ایگزیکٹو آرڈر سے بحال نہیں ہوسکتے۔انہیں ازسرِنو حلف اٹھانا پڑے گا۔انکی بحالی آئینی پیکیج کے بغیر ممکن نہیں ہے وغیرہ وغیرہ۔لیکن پھر انہی ججوں کو ایک اوورسیزاور ایک لوکل ٹیلی فون کال پر بحال کرنا پڑا اور بدنامی بھی کمائی۔
اس وقت بھی یہی ہوا جب آپ این آر او کو پارلیمنٹ سے ایک سو بیس دن کی عدالتی مہلت میں بھی منظور نہ کراسکے۔ عدالت میں این آر او کا دفاع کرنے کی بھی کوشش نہیں کی۔اور جب عدالت نے اسے کالعدم قرار دے دیا تو آپ اس فیصلے پر عمل درآمد کروانے کے بجائے پورے معاملے کو سیاست کی کنوئیر بیلٹ پر لے آئے اور سازش سازش کا شور مچا دیا۔
آپ کو تو اچھی طرح معلوم ہے کہ پچھلے دو برس میں آپ نے کتنے فیصلے یکطرفہ طور پر کرنےکی کوشش کی لیکن یہ فیصلے آپ کو چارو ناچار بادلِ نخواستہ واپس لینے پڑے
آپ بخوبی جانتے ہیں کہ نہ جسٹس خواجہ شریف آپ کے ہیں، نہ جسٹس ثاقب نثار آپ کے ملاقاتی ہیں اور نہ جسٹس افتخار چوہدری سے آپ کو جانب داری کی توقع ہے۔چنانچہ یہ جج جانیں کہ کونسی تقرری بہتر ہے اور کس کا تبادلہ اچھا ہے۔جیسے آپ روزانہ بیسیوں دیگر حکمناموں اور سمریوں پر دستخط کرتے ہیں ججوں کی سمری پر بھی دستخط کردیتے۔
مگرآپ آصف علی زرداری نے ایک بار پھر کیلے کے چھلکے پر پاؤں رکھ دیا۔اور ایک بار پھر آپ کی کمر کو چک پڑنے سے بچانے کے لئے وزیرِ اعظم یوسف رضا گیلانی کو کہنا پڑ رہا ہے کہ جو عدالت کا فیصلہ ہوگا وہی ہمارا فیصلہ بھی ہوگا۔
جیسے کسی کو آٹوگراف جمع کرنے کا شوق تو کسی کو سکے اور کرنسی نوٹ یا ڈاک ٹکٹ جمع کرنے کا جنون ہوتا ہے۔اسی طرح لگ یہ رہا ہے کہ ایوانِ صدر کے مکین کو ایک سے ایک نادر مسائل جمع کرنے کا شوق ہے۔لیکن یہ شوق وہی ہے جس کے بارے میں کہا جاتا ہے کہ شوق دا کوئی مل نئیں۔اسکے عوض سب کچھ لٹ سکتا ہے۔
آپ کی راہ میں کیلے کے چھلکے بچھانے والے فاروق نائیک چیرمین
Zaradri’s favouvrite dish” 100 جوتے 100 پیاز ”
آپ کی راہ میں کیلے کے چھلکے بچھانے والے فاروق نائیک چیرمین سینٹ یا بابر اعوان وزیرِ قانون یا لطیف کھوسہ مشیرِ خصوصی نہ رہے تو کسی عدالت کے باہر پھر سے تھڑا لگالیں گے۔آپ کا کیا ہوگا جنابِ عالی !
بقول ہارون رشید شیر نے شکار کرنے کا فیصلہ کر لیا ہے اور اب شکار کرے گا لسی نہیں پئے گا
عدلیہ کو تقسیم کرنے کی سازش بھی تو آئین سے غداری ہے .بقول وجیہ الدین سنگین غداری .
آج لاہور میں بھی خوب ڈرامہ ہوا جہاں زرداری کی حمایت میں چند جاہلوں کو اکٹھا کر کے عدلیہ کے خلاف نعرے بازی کی گیئ حالانکہ ہر کوئی جانتا ہے سارے فساد کی جڑ زرداری صاحب کے لوٹے ہوئے پیسےاور انکا غیر جمہوری رویہ ہے. تین چور بابر اعوان، لطیف کھوسہ اور زرداری نے مل کر عدلیہ کے خلاف سازشیں شروع کی ہوئ ہیں کبھی کہتےہیں پاکستان توڑ دیں گے کبھی کچھ کبھی کبھی کچھ، کتے والی زبان پائی ہے. ابھی اسی فورم میں چند لوگ بھڑک اٹھیں گے کہ زرادری صدر ہے اس کا احترم کیا جائے لیکن کوئی بھی شخصیت اس ملک سے بڑھ کر نہیں ہے . لاہور میں نواز شریف کے پتلے جلا کر جلتی پے تیل چھڑکنے کا کام کیا گیا .
پچھلے دو سالوں میں ملک کا جی حال کیا ہے اس حکومت نے وہ بھی کسی سے ڈھکا چھپا نہیں صرف ٢ سالوں میں 15 ارب ڈالر کے قرضے کھا گئے ہیں جبکہ اس سے قبل 60 سالوں میں غیر ملکی قرضے 40 ارب ڈالر تھے . پچھلے 62 سالوں میں ہمارے حکمرانوں کی کرپشن کی وجہ سے ہمارے لوگ پانی اور بنیادی ضروریات زندگی کو ترس گئے ہیں اگر یقین نہ اے تو مندرجہ ظل تصویر دیکھ لیں .http://www.bbc.co.uk/urdu/interactivity/2010/02/100210_ugc_gallery_feb1.shtml
ووٹ تو انکے نام کے لیتے ہیں لیکن یہ آج کا بلوچستان اور تھر ہے جہاں پر بڑی بڑی کاروں کی raily تو کر لیتے ہیں لیکن بیچاروں کو پانی تک نہیں دے سکتے.
نواز شریف صاحب دیر آید درست آید
عمران خان صاحب زرداری کے الیکشن کے وقت آپ نے احتجاجی مظاہرہ کر کے ایک اچھے پاکستانی ہونے کا ثبوت دیا آپ کو سلام.
بقول ہارون رشید شیر نے شکار کرنے کا فیصلہ کر لیا ہے اور اب شکار کرے گا لسی نہیں پئے گا.
a) Relentless, fair and unbiased trial of ALL from 1970.
b) NRO for ALL from 1970
c) Mix of (a) and (b) or selective trials
I think (c) will not work.
The reasons for including ALL is:
1) It covers all those who claim to be champion of democracy and those who are becoming champions of democracy
2) PCO judges
3) Dictators who took power to clean mess and corruption and have kleft bigger mess
4) Those who supported dictators and those who made deals with dictators
5) Those who have accounts in foreign countries and those who have become super rich in very short period of time
6) Those who claim to have sacrificed for judiciary and those who claim to be supportive of judiciary in past, present and future
7) Those who have killed innocents by thousands across the country and yet still are part of all governments Media empires and lifafa journalists
9) Those who are financially corrupt and those who are morally corrupt
10) Those who have abused and misused religion repeatedly
If we cannot do this once and for all we will always be in the same position. Let the very few who are responsible for the mess be tried or barred from being in power once and for all.
Pakistan needs a fair and euqal system for all regardless of religion, caste, language, age, gender and status.
if it was like this , then response of Justice Saqib Nisar would have been different .
Reason is judicary wnats smooth functioning of LHC and for that thy dont want to appoint another chief justice just for 2 months.
Khawja Sharif will be elevated to SC in May and then another chief justice of LHC will be appointed for longer term.
Reason behind this all is more of @ dministrative nature.
Remember, if khawja sharif will go to SC in May, he will become junior to justice khawja saqib nisar, so he is actually the one to pay for htis decision and he has no objection.
On theother hand, even if justice saqib nisar is appointed CJ of LHC, wat he will get by this 2 months assignment?
by the time he will be understanding the @ dminsitrative issues, he willbe moved to SC.
@ hypocrite
Pakistan needs a fair and euqal system for all regardless of religion, caste, language, age, gender and status. Who can give it to the country !!!!
if it was like this , then response of Justice Saqib Nisar would have been different .
بھائی جی پہلے جن لوگوں نے چیف سے اختلاف کیا تھا آج وہ کہاں ہیں؟ جسٹس ثاقب نثار اسقدر کمزور حکومت کی خاطر اپنی ملازمت کا رسک کیوں لیتے؟ انھوں نے وہی کیا جس سے انکی ملازمت محفوظ ہوتی تھی
If I get a chance to make this independent panel who cleans our mess, you will be part of it and it is not becuase you have supported me but I have noticed that you generally have a fair and unbiased posiiton.
this fragmented country needs Pakistanis and only Pakistanis.
Ooops, I am turning this into a chat room which is not fair to all other contributors
میں مزید آپکے لیے کچھ لکھونگا تو لوگ کہیں گے کہ ایک ہی آدمی آئی ڈی بدل بدل کر کومنٹس لکھ رہا ہے. الله تعالیٰ ہم سب کی رہنمائی فرمائے اور ہمیں صراط مستقیم پر چلائے آمین
I AM JUST WONDERING, I HAVE SEEN COMMENTS BY CHIEF JUSTICE OF PAKISTAN DURING HEARING OF SENIOR OFFICER APPOINTMENT PETITION IN SUPREME COURT. IN THESE COMMENTS, CJ OF PAKISTAN SAID, WHY SENIORITY IS NOT THE PRINCIPLE FOR APPOINTMENT OF OFFICERS. WHY GOVT. WANTS TO DO PICK AND CHOOSE?
MY QUESTION IS VERY SIMPLE. WHY CJ OF PAKISTAN WANTS TO DO PICK AND CHOOSE FOR SUPREME COURT? ALL THIS IS MATTER OF PICK AND CHOOSE. IF HE WROTE RECOMMENDATION THAT PROMOTE THE SENIOR ONE IN SUPREME COURT THEN IT MAKE MORE SENSE AND JUSTIFIED. WHY HE WANTS TO DO PICK AND CHOOSE FOR LAHORE HIGH COURT?
In a country where major players are interested in absolute power and no respect fro any institute, accountability and fairness we cannot just single out one person or institute. Those who dont like zardari pin point him and those who like zardari pin point others.
This tussle of who is supreme has to stop at some time as it doesnt help ordinary people who are eihter dying of bullets and bombs or because of poverty and unjust system. Is this just because of zardari or just because of CJ sahib, i dont know but I know that in 63 years we have lost a lot and gained very very little.
چیف جسٹس اپنی اجارہ داری قایم رکھنے کے لیے خواجہ شریف کو لاہور ہائی کورٹ میں رکھنا چاہتے ہیں کیونکہ انہیں جسٹس ثاقب نثار کی بجائے خواجہ
شریف پر زیادہ بھروسہ ہے
I totally disagree with you on this comment and am very concerned about your bi polar disorder and your flip flops about every subject. You like to live in the gray area and have a distorted view about the judicial“activism” , which in my view is a just and bold confrontation between the good and evil.
The question is are you with the good or an oblivious evil. The medical degree is not a scale of perfection in all fields. Politics requires firm stands and open mindedness, where you have to have conviction about your believes.
Like medicine its not a toss between a viral infection and the bacterial infection, either way the safe bet is to prescribe antibiotic.
Let me explain you simple and clear, you have people including me who like you as a person, who is polite and has a good sense of humor, but your political views and comments are confusing and misguided at times.
Your intelligence is not in question, you motives are. Could you clearly tell me that Zardari gang of criminals should be able to or allowed to shield their crimes by using some loop holes in the laws or the constitution? This criminal has unleashed the grave worshippers in the Pakistan and flexing his mussels of his criminal Mafia and the brain dead “Jiayalaas” and is willing to start an ethnic war in Sindh and Karachi and a civil war in allover Pakistan.
How dare you compare the Honorable CJ with the most dishonorable person in the history of Pakistan Asif Ali Madari, the criminally insane, sadistic, narcissistic, egotistic, undereducated, habitual criminal, habitual lire, mentally deranged, grave worshipper, kidnapper, murderer, traitor, money launderer, tax cheat and a man who steels from the poorest of poor and does not feel any shame, literally a human garbage, an insult to Pakistanis all around the world.
You are entitled to your opinion but at times your comments are like a virus and you make the most difficult and emotional issues murky and more confusing. Your use of Urdu language discourages a great majority to understand or even to read your comments on a English forum, which in my opinion is either your attempt to influence a targeted audience with your confusing and self serving comments. Write in English and let all the people who read this tread to get to know you.
Other than that you are a cool dude. I will agree with you that I myself am very opinionated and firm in my believes, but I look at the big picture and do not nitpick little points to discard a great movement of the last hope for Pakistan’s survival and getting Pakistan out of the hands of Family and ethnic Mafia groups via simply implementing the Laws of the land, already in the books.
We have to confront these Cancers one by one at a this late stage, it’s time for a major surgical procedure to cut these off to save the country.
Listen to great Imran Khan, he speaks the truth and explains these matters in very coherent and logical ways. I am not a easy person to follow people, but I will be honored to have Imran Khan as my leader.
Pakistan’s esteemed and greatest judiciary has once again proved its mettle, when it overruled and suspended the wayward appointments of civilian dictator of Pakistan.
Pakistan’s judiciary is free and they have shown that now no one will be able to play with the justice and people of this country. They have shown that judges are there to do justice and not to kowtow the line of government. CJ Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry’s companion have remained steadfast and solid.
“Pakistan’s esteemed and greatest judiciary has once again proved its mettle, when it overruled and suspended the wayward appointments of civilian dictator of Pakistan.
Pakistan’s judiciary is free and they have shown that now no one will be able to play with the justice and people of this country. They have shown that judges are there to do justice and not to kowtow the line of government. CJ Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry’s companion have remained steadfast and solid.”
@maxpk
اسلام علیكم : باوا جی اج آپ ڈاكٹر صاحب كی كلاس نہیں لے رہے? اج زرداری اور چودھری افتخار كی كلاس لیں رہے ہیں ,كیا بات ہے موسم كیسا ہے? آپ كے كینڈا كا
وعلیکُم السلام استاد محترم. ہماری تو خود کلاس لگی رہتی ہے ہم کسی کی کلاس کیسے لے سکتے ہیں؟ ہم تو ایک اصول کی بات کر رہے ہیں. ہر غیر اصولی کا جواب دینے کے لیے آئیں کی کوئی نہ کوئی شق نکال لی جاتی ہے. ہمارے ساتھ یہ مذاق کب تک چلتا رہے گا؟ ہماری اعَلیٰ ترین عدلیہ بھی اگر وہی بے اصولی کرے گی تو اصولوں کی پاسداری کون کرے گا؟ .
what nonsense people uttering on this forum that cj did not consider seniority and merit in the case of justice saqib nisar and justice khawaja sharif
first thing is that there is no seniority criteria for high court judges according to al-jihad case,its solely discretion of cj of supreme court to appoint them
second thing is that merit wass observed in this case,b/c justice saqib nisar had taken oath under the pco when justice khawja sharif and many more refused to do so
so justice khawja sharif was on merit and not justice saqib nisar,as if same happns in future justice saqib nisar would be again ready to take oath under pco
so this was not fair to hand over the lahore high court to such a person who was not trustworthy
so this all was best decided and was according the rules and regulations
people should not confuse the things in effort of being hero here
@ ZEE
justice saqib nisar had taken oath under the pco when justice khawja sharif and many more refused to do so
so justice khawja sharif was on merit and not justice saqib nisar,as if same happns in future justice saqib nisar would be again ready to take oath under pco
so this was not fair to hand over the lahore high court to such a person who was not trustworthy
اگر جسٹس ثاقب نثار نے پی سی او پر حلف لیا ہے اور وہ قابل اعتماد نہیں ہیں تو وہ ہائی کورٹ میں بیٹھے کیا کر رہے ہیں؟ انکو گھر کیوں نہیں بھیجا گیا؟ انکو سپریم کورٹ میں بھیجنے کی سفارش کیوں کی جا رہی ہے؟ انکو چیف جسٹس افتخار چوہدری ساباش کس بات کی دے رہے ہیں؟
@ZEE
1.BHAI AAP SAY KISS NAY KEH DIYAA KAY SENIORITY ISSUE NAHEE HAI, TU PHIRR CH JUSTICE SAJJAD ALI SHAH CASE KIYA THAA??????????
2. DOOSRI JAGGAH AAP NAY FARMAYA KAY JUSTICE SAQIB NISAR NAY PCO KAY TEHAT HALLAF THAYIA THAA ISS LIYAY WOH TRSTWORTHY NAHEE HAI, TU AAP KAY CH JUSTICE IFTAKHAR NAY U 2 DAFFA PCO KAY TEHAT HALLAF UTHAYIA THAA.
@maxpk
meray bhai zardari sahab iss adliyah ku bahal karnay mein khush they yaa nahee sawal yeh hay kay yeh adliyah aazad adliyah aur insaaf ki tehreek kay nateejay mein aayi thi aur jab yh addliyah khud say hee aisay beasooli walay kaam shiroo kar dey tu woh theek nahee hay.
aggar mein aur aap yaa zardari aur nawaz sharif kuch gallat karein tu uss ka faisalah adliyah nay karna hotaa hay aur aggar adliyah hee aisay kaam shirooo kard day tu haq aur sach kaa faisla kaun karay gaa.
mera kyal hai ab zardari ka pecha chor dain kun ke yeh b team hai parvez musharraf ke
zardari aur unke panch sathion nain puri party membran ko jo lete hain vote awam say awam
ke khidmat ke leye magar assembly main government ke gulam bun jate hain .
only justice saqib nisar(pco judge) is not sitting in the court,there are “few” more pco jujdges sitting in the courts but its according to supreme court’s decision of 31st july which was not given only by cj but the full bench of supreme court
and these all will be cornered as is done with justice saqib nisar
but it was wise not to hand over him “all” the lahore high court
and cj is appreciating him “now” when he had refused and himself saying
I have paid “kaffara”
and you know summary was sent before this “kaffara”
so don’t confuse the things
and justice saqib nisar is clever as he knew even if he had taken the oath he would have been thrown out by the judiciary as justice sajjad ali shah was thrown out
so he is showing some wisdome
paying “kaffara” on the one hand and having something (as compared to nothing) on the other hand
Bhai saab you are over your limit, no matter how much we disagree with someone that kind of language is not acceptable on this forum against another member.
To hate or love is your right and it shall be respected by all. To call names to someone is not a right and is not a dignified thing to do. I hope you are a very dignified person.
I think everyone will appreciate you if you could make Bawa sahib change his position by logic.
read my first comments again,I said no seniority criteria for HIGH COURT judges to be picked up for supreme court,its only discretion of cj of supreme court and its according to al-jihad case
sajjad ali case was that MOST senior judge of SUPREME COURT will be cj of supreme court
as sajjad ali shah was not most senior at that time
he was appointed bypassing the justice ajmal mian and many more at taht time by ppp govt
and people saying that current cj also had taken oath under pco
don’t repeat these arguements of najam sethi and people like him again and again
every one knows the contribution of this cj for ma beloved country
استاد محترم. اصول تو اصول ہیں. انکو ایک مرتبہ اگر نظر انداز کر دیا گیا تھا تو اسکا مطلب یہ نہیں کہ انکو ہر مرتبہ نظر انداز کر دیا جائے
? باوا اصول صرف عدلیہ كے لیے ہی ہے كیا
?? فاروق نائیك زرداری صاحب كا زاتی ملازم نہیں ہے
? ڈاكٹر بابار اعوان زاتی ملازم نہیں ہے
? محترم عزت معاب لطیف كھوسہ صاحب زرداری صاحب كے زاتی ملازم نہیں ہیں اور تھے
جو لوگ 10دس سال تك زرداری صاحب كی كرپش كے كیسیز پر تاریخیں ڈلواتے اور بیماری كے سیٹیفكیٹ عدالتوں میں دیتے اج وہ اسلامی جمہوریہ پاكستان كے اہم اداروں كے سربراہ بنے بیٹھے ہیں …افسوس كا مقام ہے بات اصول كی كس جگہ اصول ہے بس كو معلوم ہے زرداری كبھی بھی اس عدلیہ كو آزدی سے كام نہیں كرنیں دیے گا سوال ہی پیدا نہیں ہوتا موصوف كو معلوم ہے یا یہ عدلیہ ہو گی یا پھر وہ خود
champion11 said:
@maxpk
meray bhai zardari sahab iss adliyah ku bahal karnay mein khush they yaa nahee sawal yeh hay kay yeh adliyah aazad adliyah aur insaaf ki tehreek kay nateejay mein aayi thi aur jab yh addliyah khud say hee aisay beasooli walay kaam shiroo kar dey tu woh theek nahee hay.
aggar mein aur aap yaa zardari aur nawaz sharif kuch gallat karein tu uss ka faisalah adliyah nay karna hotaa hay aur aggar adliyah hee aisay kaam shirooo kard day tu haq aur sach kaa faisla kaun karay gaa.
بھائی جی جب آپ ایك ادارے كو شرع دن سے ہی نہیں مانتے تو وہاں كیا دلیل كام آے گی آپ سو بار بھی دلیل دیں كہ سینیر جج یا جونیر جج مجھے اس سے كوئی غرض نہیں ہے اگر كچھ جیالے وكلا اگر یہ دلیل دیتے ہیں تو اس سے بہت بڑی تعداد ان وكلا اور قانون جاننے والوں كی بھی ہیں جو شام كو سوا چھ بجے نوٹیفكیشن نكالنے كے خلاف ہیں اور اس عدلیہ كے ساتھ ہیں
كمال تو یہ ہے جس پر كرپشن كے الزامات ہیں وہ ہی جج بھی مقرر كرے گا كیوں اس كو یہ اختیار ہے آئیں میں واہ اس كو یہ حق نہیں ہے كہ وزیراعظم كا بھی مشوراہ لے لے فیصلہ صدر ہاوس میں ہوتا ہے اور تھوپا وزیراعظم پر جاتا ہے یہ ہی كمانڈو صاحب كرتے تھے اور نام شوكت عزیز كا لگا دیا جاتا تھا آج بھی وہی ہورہا ہے فرق صرف یہ ہے پہلے پیرزادے اور ملك قیوم ہوتے تھے آب عوان نائیك كھوسے ہم قیامت تك یہ ہی نارے لگاتے رہیں گے ایك كو ٹانگا گیا تو انشااللہ تعالی پاكستان بھی ترقی كی طرف جاے گا
blogire said:
Bawa is such a harami ka pilla. I hate these type of people
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بھائی گالم گلوچ کیے بغیر بھی تو آپ اپنی نفرت کا اظہار کر سکتے ہیں
استاد محترم. آپکی ساری باتیں درست ہیں لیکن میں نے شروع میں کہا ہے کہ حکومت سے یا زرداری سے تو کسی میرٹ یا اخلاقی قدر پر عمل کرنے کی کبھی توقع نہ تھی. اعتراض یا شکواہ ان پر کیا جاتا ہے جن سے کوئی توقع ہوتی ہے
@ Muhammad Raza
blogire said:
Bawa is such a harami ka pilla. I hate these type of people
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بھائی گالم گلوچ کیے بغیر بھی تو آپ اپنی نفرت کا اظہار کر سکتے ہیں
رضا بھائی. شکریہ. لگتا ہے انکو شاعِری سے لگاو نہیں ہے. ہا ہا ہا ہا
@ ZEE
cj is appreciating him “now” when he had refused and himself saying
I have paid “kaffara”
اگر کفارہ ادا کرکے پی سی او ججز چیف جسٹس کی شاباش کے حقدار ہوجاتے ہیں تو اسطرح کا کفارہ ادا کرنے کا ایک ایک موقع ان ججز کو بھی ملنا چاہئیے تھا جو اپنی نوکریوں سے ہاتھ دھو اسوقت گھروں میں بیٹھے ہیں
Re: Bawa and multiple ID Users
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The frustration of @blogire is understandable as I have already asked you (Bawa) twice yesterday under two different topics to stop putting-up very silly, loose and casual remarks such as…….’Bawa Ji, aap ka kia haal’………’Bawa Ji, aap kahan ho……..’Bawa ji, aap aajkal kidher ho………Bawa Ji, aaj kal Waasti Sahib nahin dikhai de rahe, etc etc.
I have also read here that, ” Bawa ji, Begum ka kia haal hai”.
One day you wrote just for the sake of putting up a silly comment……” mein tuo abhi haazri lagwane hazir hua hoon, comment mein programme dekh kar doon ga”………..Tell me who is waiting here to read your stupid and silly comments which are in UNREADABLE urdu script. Your script is very difficult to read here.
I have told you before that the Software here is not compatible to read Urdu ‘NASTALEEQ’ script. Because all our main Urdu Newspapers such as Jang etc are typed in Urdu NASTALEEQ and this can be downloaded from Urdu In-Page installation CD, but the this site of PK politics is not yet compatible to type-on.
Now have you got this in your HEAD, or shall I repeat again. Do not put up silly comments by using multiple ID’s.
This Forum is for serious discussions and we have got some very hard pressed issues in our country to discuss here…… STOP THIS NONSENSE……..STOP THIS NONSENCE NOW……….GET THIS IN YOUR HEAD.
hummm good comments going on here interesting !
1.CAN ANY ONE OF U TELL ME STORY OF CJ’s SON WHO WAS APPOINTED IN FIA????????????
2.CAN ANY ONE OF U TELL ME STORY OF PCO OATH TAKEN BY CURRENT CJ?
3.CAN ANY ONE OF U TELL ME HISTORY OF Muhammad Sharif, Chief Justice of the Lahore High Court AND Mr. Justice Mian Saqib Nisar HOW THEY STARTED
THEIR CAREER AND WHT TIME THEY WERE APPOINTED.
I BET EDUCATED PEOPLE EXIST HERE PLZ HELP ME FOR MY KNOWLEDGE.
THANKS
now it looks that this governament is reaching at its end(anjam),the way they are behaving looks very clear that they are not serious…they have some other goals and targets they have no interst in public affairs and public problems………….let see which way the wind blow……………………………..
Lets assume that the Chief Justice and all other Judges have been involved in wrong doings……….Does it mean that we should allow Zardari and his tola to runaway with $122 million.
Zardari should really be measuring his white chader now………..and it will be the same white chader now in which he wrapped-up Murtaza Bhutto and Khalid Shahinshah.
I think ShakeelBajwa has answered you question that even if these Judges are 101% corrupt and have been involved in any wrong doings whatsoever, it does not mean pardon for Zardari. This man Zardari is accountable for the looted money and this time he should not be allowed to leave the country.
I am also going to add that this time (Gen) Kakar formula will not be acceptable………which means only Zardari has to go, and after full and I mean FULL recovery of the money.
Mr 10% has gone mad,a man can be too mad like MR 10%,just incredible,how much madness needs to make the dicisions which he made during his presidency(he planted to reach on this post,even killed his wife),guys who support ZAR ,could have the same sickness of brain as he(ZAR) has, the court is doing as a europeon courts do,first time the court has strike the intrest of CORRUPTS,we have to begin the journy right now,otherwise we (AWAM)will be as the insects.now is a time for protect the JUDICIARY for our country. in this forum people are CHATING their personal matters or personal EGO(like ZAR).
چیف جسٹس اپنی اجارہ داری قایم رکھنے کے لیے خواجہ شریف کو لاہور ہائی کورٹ میں رکھنا چاہتے ہیں کیونکہ انہیں جسٹس ثاقب نثار کی بجائے خواجہ
شریف پر زیادہ بھروسہ ہے
I totally disagree with you on this comment and am very concerned about your bi polar disorder and your flip flops about every subject. You like to live in the gray area and have a distorted view about the judicial“activism” , which in my view is a just and bold confrontation between the good and evil.
The question is are you with the good or evil.
Like medicine its not a toss between a viral infection and the bacterial infection, either way the safe bet is to prescribe antibiotic.
Your intelligence is not in question, you motives are. Could you clearly tell me that Zardari gang of criminals should be able to or allowed to shield their crimes by using some loop holes in the laws or the constitution? This criminal has unleashed the grave worshippers in the Pakistan and flexing his mussels of his criminal Mafia and the brain dead “Jiayalaas” and is willing to start an ethnic war in Sindh and Karachi and a civil war in allover Pakistan.
How dare you:) compare the Honorable CJ with the most dishonorable person in the history of Pakistan Asif Ali Madari, the criminally insane, sadistic, narcissistic, egotistic, undereducated, habitual criminal, habitual lire, mentally deranged, grave worshipper, kidnapper, murderer, traitor, money launderer, tax cheat and a man who steels from the poorest of poor and does not feel any shame, literally a human garbage, an insult to Pakistanis all around the world.
You are entitled to your opinion but at times your comments are not clear, and you make the most difficult and emotional issues murky and more confusing. Your use of Urdu language discourages a great majority to understand or even to read your comments on a English forum, which in my opinion is either your attempt to influence a targeted audience with your confusing and self serving comments. Write in English and let all the people who read this tread to get to know you.
Other than that you are a cool dude. I will agree with you that I myself am very opinionated and firm in my believes, but I look at the big picture and do not nitpick little points to discard a great movement of the last hope for Pakistan’s survival and getting Pakistan out of the hands of Family and ethnic Mafia groups via simply implementing the Laws of the land, already in the books.
We have to confront these Cancers one by one at a this late stage, it’s time for a major surgical procedure to cut these off to save the country.
Listen to great Imran Khan, he speaks the truth and explains these matters in very coherent and logical ways. I am not a easy person to follow people, but I will be honored to have Imran Khan as my leader.
14 February 2010 at 8:51 pm
@ faizalam
I have told you before that the Software here is not compatible to read Urdu ‘NASTALEEQ’ script. Because all our main Urdu Newspapers such as Jang etc are typed in Urdu NASTALEEQ and this can be downloaded from Urdu In-Page installation CD, but the this site of PK politics is not yet compatible to type-on.
Now have you got this in your HEAD, or shall I repeat again. Do not put up silly comments by using multiple ID’s
جناب آپکو اصل تکلیف اردو سے ہے یا مجھ سے؟ آپکو ایک ایسے شخص کی حمایت کرتے ہوائے شرم آنی چاہئیے جو فورم پر آ کر گالیاں بک رہا ہے. یہاں میرا واسطہ پہلے بھی بہت سے ایسے لوگوں سے پڑ چکا ہے جو میری اردو لکھائی کی وجہ سے گندی زبان استعمال کر چکے ہیں
@ shakeelbajwa
Bawa, I fully agree with the above comments of @blogire and Faiz Alam that this space must be used for serious discussion. Bawa must make a note of this.
باجواہ صاحب. کیا آپکو گندی زبان کرنے والوں کی حمایت زیب دیتی ہے؟ بجائے اس کے کہ آپ گندی زبان استعمال کرنے والوں کی حوصلہ شکنی کرتے الٹے آپ انکی حوصلہ افزائی کر رہے ہیں. افسوس صد افسوس
pkp is a great forum for Paksitanis to meet, greet and discuss in dignifying whatsoever way they like however you certainly have no right to behave like a sick moronic headmaster to slap others wrists. GET THIS INTO YOUR HEAD.
@Blogire
You were pretty fast showing your nincompoop personality. Now who gona listen to your bablings? Sickos like you!!!
As far as principle of seniority is concerned it is a shame it has been put away by judiciary but then Chief Sahab have had enough with Zardari and his company of thugs and no doubt is making move to strengthen his bench. But still I dont see much happening as military janta would not like to see political havoc in the country when war on terror against Pakistan is in full swing.
ڈاکٹر شاہد مسعود صاحب کی خدمت میں ایک گزارش
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اس وقت ملک ایک نازک دور سے گزر رہا ہے – عوام کے اندر یکجہتی ، اتحاد اور محبت و اخوت پیدا کرنے میں آپ کا کردار نمایاں ہے – آئین اور قانون کی پاسداری کرنے کے لیئے آپ نے پڑی ہمت اور خلوص سے کام کیا -
ملک کے ادارے جب بر سر ِ پیکار ہوئے اور ایک خوفناک تصادم کا خطرہ پیدا ہو گیا تو آپ نے اپنے ایمان اور ضمیر کی روشنی میں مکمل طور پر غیر جانبدار رہتے ہوئے ان اداروں کے درمیان یگانگت پیدا کرنے کی
بھر پور کوشش کی – آپ نے ہمیشہ دلائل اور منطق کے حوالے سے بات کی ، کبھی بھی جذبات اور بغض وعناد کا مظاہرہ نہیں کیا – آپ نے اپنے ہر پروگرام میں ملک کے وسیع تر مفاد کو مدنظر رکھا اور اپنے ذاتی مفادات کو سچائی کے راستے میں حائل نہیں ہونے دیا – آپ نے جب بھی کسی قومی اہمیت کے حامل موضوع پر گفتگو کرنے کے لیئےپینل کا انتخاب کیا تو خصوصی طور پر اس بات کا اہتمام کیا کہ صرف ایک فریق کا پراپیگنڈہ نہ کیا جائے بلکہ تمام پارٹیوں کا نقطہءنظر عوام کے سامنے آجائے- کس کس پہلو سے آپ کی مثالی خدمات کا تذکرہ کیا جائے مختصر یہ ہے کہ مستقبل کا مورخ جب آج کی آزاد صحافت کے مجاہدوں کا تذکرہ کرے گا تو آپ کا نام سر ِ فہرست ہو گا -
آخر میں گزارش ہے کہ جب تک ملک میں سیاسی ، آئینی اور قانونی فضا صاف ستھری اور واضح نہیں ہوجاتی ، اس وقت تک آپ کے پروگرام کی افادیت معمول سے کہیں بڑھ کر ہوگی – ہر پروگرام کا ایک ایک لمحہ انتہائی قدروقیمت اور اہمیت کا حامل ہوگا – اس لیئےجب تک آصف علی زرداری کی حکومت کا تیا پانچہ نہیں ہو جاتا، ملک کا لوٹا ہوا پیسہ واپس نہیں آ جاتا اور کرپٹ سیاستدان انصاف کے کٹھرے تک نہیں پہنچتے ، آپ اپنے پروگراموں میں کسی دوسرے یا تیسرے درجے کے مہمان کو
مدعو نہ کریں بلکہ اس دوران صرف صف اول کے دانشوروں کو بلایا کریں تاکہ مطلوبہ نتائج جلد سے جلد
بر آمد ہو سکیں – آپ کو زیادہ سے زیادہ مارچ کی بیس تاریخ تک یہ پابندی کرنی ہو گی ، اس کے بعد ہر طرف سکھ ہی سکھ اور چین ہی چین ہوگا –
میری نظر میں مندرجہ ذیل نابغہءروزگار شخصیات یہ خمات بطریق ِ احسن سر انجام دے سکتے ہیں :
پروفیسر منور حسن
حمید گل
عمران خان
ہارون رشید اور صالح ظافر -
ہارون رشید اور صالح ظافر کے ساتھ بوقت ِ ضرورت آپ اپنی سیٹ تبدیل بھی کر سکتے ہیں -
خدا تعالی آپ کو اپنی رحمت اور فضلوں کے سائے میں رکھے – آمین
خیر اندیش
خالد واسطی
It’s not your urdu script it’s your thoughts that are pinching our PTI/JI/PMLN fan club. They want to use every tool in arsenal Genral, Judge, Journalist to throw present gov out and get back in power through back door. I noticed you have bashed Zardari and co. zellions of time but that’s not enough. They don’t like your impartial commentary. For them “serious discusion” is to blast Zardari AND present Imran Khan or Nawaz Sharif as saviour. I salute you for your vision, consistency, impartiality, boldness and strong expression in lighter tone ….
Patey nahi raah toh chur jatey hein naley
Rukti hai mere tabeyut toh hota hai rawan aur
@ConcernedAmericanPak
This is what MULLAH MINDED PEOPLE can do. They will never discuss issue with logice, and they can never tolerate difference of opinion. They always want to listen from everybody what they think is right. They want to put their agenda by “FORCE”……
I agree with comments of BAWA and support him. Now what about me?
سلام بڑے بھائی جی. مجھے ہمیشہ سچ بولنے کی پاداش آپ سے ڈانٹ پڑتی ہے حالانکہ یہ سچ اکیلا میں ہی نہیں بول رہا. علی احمد کرد، جسٹس طارق، جسٹس فخرالدین ابراہیم غرض کس کس کا نام لوں جو یہ سچ بول رہے ہیں. مجھے صرف یہ بتا دیں کہ چیف صاحب کس سنہری اصول کے تحت جسٹس خواجہ شریف کی بجائے جسٹس ثاقب نثار کو سپریم کورٹ بھیجنا چاہتے ہیں اور یہ اصول ہے یا بے اصولی. اگر گستاخی نہ سمجھا جائے تو ایک بات کہنے کی جسارت کر رہا ہوں اور وہ یہ ہے کہ آپ نے عمران خان کے نقطۂ نظر کو ذہن میں بٹھا کر ذہن کو تالے لگا لیے ہیں اور آنکھیں اور کان بند کر لیے ہیں. آپ اپنے آدھے سچ کو ہی پورا سچ سمجھ بیٹھے ہیں اور پورے سچ تک پہنچنے کے لیے آپ باقی آدھا سچ سننا ہی نہیں چاہتے
I hope our nation doesnt have short memories and really have the sense that Imran Khan sahib was talking about.
Why cant these so called neutral anchors conduct a programme on what has happened in the country since 1970 (if not since 1947) and who has played what role. How many people came to roads when Musharraf sahib and his (s)elected assemblies were ruling. How many people came to raods when Zia ul Haq sahib ruled from 1977.
Since when has instigation become legal in Pakistan? People on roads and peaceful!!!. Since when the protests on roads have been peaceful.
Zardari should have realised that he is not capable to lead a party like PPP. What a mess we are in now.
Lets see who gets power when the lion comes to power.
جب غیر مطلقہ باتیں کی جائیں گی تو دلایل بھی تو غیر مطلقہ ہی ہونگے. آپ نے اصل بات کو اتنا گھما پھرا دیا کہ اصل بات سے توجہ ہی ہٹ گئی. اصل سوال یہ تھا کہ چیف جسٹس افتخار چوہدری کس اصول کے تحت جسٹس خواجہ شریف کی جگہ جسٹس ثاقب نثار کو سپریم کورٹ بھیجنا چاہتے ہیں؟ آپ نے کہا کہ جسٹس نثار پی سی او جج ہیں اور ناقابل بھروسہ ہیں. انکے حوالے لاہور ہائی کورٹ نہیں کی جا سکتی کیونکہ وہ بہت چالاک ہیں اور دوبارہ دھوکہ دے سکتے ہیں. تو جناب جب میں کہتا ہوں کہ
چیف جسٹس اپنی اجارہ داری قایم رکھنے کے لیے خواجہ شریف کو لاہور ہائی کورٹ میں رکھنا چاہتے ہیں کیونکہ انہیں جسٹس ثاقب نثار کی بجائے خواجہ
شریف پر زیادہ بھروسہ ہے
تو اسمیں غلط کیا ہے؟ آپ نے مزید کہا ہے کہ اب حلف نہ اٹھا کر انہوں نے اپنا کفارہ ادا کر دیا ہے اور اب چیف جسٹس صاحب ان سے بہت خوش ہیں. چلیں اب بسم الله کریں اور انہیں لاہور ہائی کورٹ میں ہی رہنے دیں. اسطرح میرٹ اور سنیارٹی کے اصول پر بھی عمل ہو جائے گا اور جو بحران حکومت کی نا اہلی کی وجہ سے پیدا ہوا ہے اسکا کریڈٹ بھی چیف جسٹس افتخار چوہدری کو مل جائے گا
Its gr8 to see that people on this forum don’t letting some participants to use “Abusive ” language ! I am really happy that after along time & many request from my side …. a gr8 maturity has been seen on this forum !
I also request all my brothers & elders that plz! Also try not to put Biased Blames on any political party , politicians & public representative ! We have a right to criticize them but ON MERIT ! not just becoz we have some typical MIND SET !
Brothers !! we need DEMOCRACY in PAKISTAN … it is the only way to survive as a RESPECTABLE NATION in the world.
For the time being I cant comment on the present situation … its so complex … so I am here to readout all of your knowledgeable comments in order to know “KHALQ E KHUDA KYAA KEHTI HAY “.thanx & best wishes !!
anna.
سلام چھوٹی بہن. حسب سابق آپ سے ہمارا وعدہ ہے کہ اس فورم کو صاف ستھرا رکھنے کی حتی المقدور کوشش کریں گے تاکہ ہماری بہبوں کو یہاں آکر اپنے خیالات کا اظہار کرنے میں کوئی دقت نہ ہو. بہت شکریہ
Gen. Aslam Beg, Hamid Gul and Asad Durani comes on TV every other day and challenge Judicary to trial them on cases that are pending for ages but our “independent” judicary’s prime concerns are swiss cases and desired appointments.
Bawa Gee, I respect the fact that you are trying to be fair and looking at the given situation with all the possibilities, the problem with that method is that the people who are professional criminals, who have learned the art of buying time and not paying for their crimes, use people like you who are on the fence and desperately looking for the medal of being on the both sided of the issue, and politically correct.
Your fan called me “MULLAH MINDED PEOPLE”, which is a strange observation from a person who is trying to defend a third person by labeling the 2nd about his opinion about the third. Could you describe the MULLAH’S MIND? Is it good or bad?, a blanket statement about all the MULLAH’S is not only childish but discriminatory language used by the West about the Religious Muslim’s, which I am not, believe me, one time my friend came to California and called all the Mosques and could not find me, all he had to do was to call the local bars, dance halls, he would have found me.
Bawa you are trying to use the PPPP shameless logic about the seniority, the constitution says the discretion of the CJ. My roommate and now one of my best friends since the Junior Collage, his father is a justice in the California Supreme court. My friend’s father was in poor health and wanted to retire, but he kept his position until Bush lost the election, because he did not want a republican governments nominating his replacement. Me, my x room mate and his dad are democrats. Evan the judges are part of the society and they also know more than you and I about the track record off BB and the Bhutto dynastical Mafia’s criminality.
Since I am not a Pakistani constitutional expert, neither are you, so both of us has to wait for the interpretation of the constitution by the supreme court, the parliament writes and passes the Laws and Supreme Court does the interpretation of the Laws for the legal system. Now since you are so fair minded person, you will say that the interpretation of the Judges can be described or believed to be the manipulation of the constitution by the sitting judges. Now you know that why, BB, Nawz Sharif’s family Mafia and Asaif Ali Madari, hasn’t be brought to justice, because they are criminally polished and have hired the best caliber Lawyers to use the benefit of the doubt and approval of the geniuses like yourself, who are so “fair” in their mind that they are willing to keep giving the criminals the benefit of doubt and keep criticizing the justice department for their laws, which can be challenged.
If after two years of lies, broken promises, bumbling on so many issues and at the end, just calling it a mistake or injustice, you have not figure out this criminal, this man, Asaif Ali Madari, is playing his old game of smoking in other peoples eyes and keep changing the finish line and never coming close to finessing any issue. He is more claver than he seems, he is criminally sharp mind who has been an expert of “legal masturbation” and lies to keep himself out of the jail and his loot in the banks.
I salute Imran Khan for his vision. Thanks my leader you really forsee all the events being a upright and straintforward leader. Now this nation should support him to get rid of these so called hypocrites. Lassi pee kar Sher Phir So jaye Ga.
1. In January 2000, Justice Iftikhar Chaudhry, then a serving judge on the Balochistan High Court (BHC), was one of the first judges to take the oath on the PCO. This allowed him to be elevated to the Supreme Court to fill one of the vacancies left by the 11 judges who had resigned in protest at taking this oath.
2. On May 13, 2000, Justice Iftikhar Chaudhry was one of the 12 Supreme Court judges who validated the military coup of Gen Pervez Musharraf. They ruled that the removal of the elected government of Nawaz Sharif was legal on the basis of the ‘doctrine of necessity’.
3. In June 2001, Justice Iftikhar Chaudhry was one of two judges who visited the President House to convince the then President Rafiq Tarrar to resign, and make way for Gen Pervez Musharraf to assume that office.
4. On April 13, 2005 in the ‘Judgment on 17th Amendment and President’s Uniform Case’, Justice Iftikhar Chaudhry was one of five Supreme Court judges who dismissed all petitions challenging President Musharraf’s consistitutional amendments. In a wide ranging judgment they declared that the Legal Framework Order (LFO) instituted by Gen Musharraf after his suspension of the Constitution, the 17th Amendment which gave this constitutional backing, and the two offices bill which allowed Musharraf to retain his military uniform whilst being President were all legal.
Pakistani lawyers and opposition parties will back the judiciary in a renewed confrontation between the cj and president zardari’s government over the appointment of judges. lawyers boycotted courts across the country today and hundreds of them gathered outside the SC building in Islamabad and shouted slogans against the government.
opposition or should i say friendly opposition leader nawaz said yesterday that zardari’s a “threat to democracy” and demanded the government reverse its decision to appoint judges against the advice of cj
The conflict with Chaudhry and twice former premier Sharif is weakening Zardari’s government as it faces economic turmoil and fights Taliban militants in its northwest. Chaudhry shot to fame when he was fired by former military ruler Pervez Musharraf in 2007.
Zardari is under pressure by opposition parties who want him to hand more of his powers to the prime minister, including the authority to dismiss the government. The PPP will meet in Islamabad today to discuss the crisis, their Priorities sure does not to provide food, health, cheap fuel and electricity, thier focus is totally out.
what a messed up situation..seriously
Imran Khan at this time is a ray of hope, he’s an educaed person and his vision is much better then any leader around, the only problem i see is that Imran does not have votes all over Pakistan, he has to go in coalition, and for that who do we have? PML N? ANP? MQM? you think haven’t we tried them all before? they all are corrupt and dishonest to Pakistan.
is waqt behat option yeh hai kai cj ki sarbarahi mai non paerty elections karwai jain.tu he mutafaqa taur per aik taqatwar leader ko chuna ja sakta hai.woh jo bhi ho kamaskam koi faisala karatay hoay her member assembly aur hum awam ki rai ko samnay rakahay ga.kyun kai os ko pata ho ga kai in sab kai bina wo aik din bhi nahi chal pa a ga.
solution to all the problems we have today is dictatorship. dictator should be honest , loyal and a true Pakistani. we will progress and stand in the world. democracy is not our norm.
UNFORTUNATELY SINCE INDEPENDENCE BECAUSE OF LACK OF DEVELOPMENT OF DEMOCRATIC INSTITUTIONS IN THE COUNTRY, DECISIONS ARE NOT MADE ON MERIT EVEN BY THE COURTS. WE HAVE MADE NO SYSTEMS, RATHER SYSTEMS ARE DAMAGED BROADLY. UNFORTUNATE, NO ONE SO FAR HAS CREATED THE SPIRIT OF PARTIOSIM AMONG THE PUBLIC. NO ONE LOVES PAKISTAN. EVERY ONE HAS GOT ITS SELF INTEREST AND SHAKES HAND WITH POLITICAL RIVALS FOR ITS OWN BENEFITS. POOR GOVERNANCE, LACK OF PROFESSIONAL AND DEDICATION LEADERSHIP HAS LED THE COUNTRY INTO DARKNESS.PLZ THINK ABOUT THE NEXT GENERATION, LOOK FORWARD, SINK OUR ALL DIFFERENCES, LOOK AT THE DEVELOPED COUNTRIES, AND IF WE WILL NOT DO THIS, COMING GENERATIONS INCLUDING OUR CHILDERN WILL NOT FORGIVE US.
I simply think that Pakistan is on the verge of destruction,facing too many problems at this time,with poor and corrupt leadership.Real democracy is invisible
answer my one question Is it not constituionally and legally Cheif justice of pakistan s rite to appoint the judges of high court and supreme court…according to law he only practicing his duty…
do u pple think u know more about law then Chief Justice of Supreme court….
no sir u dont…other wise u would be on his place n we would be writting comment here about u…
supreme court is only practicing its lawful rites n gov is trying to stop them…this is what we common pakistani think….
President can appoint judges but only with the consultation of Chief Justice of Supreme Court but the consultation becomes controversial here when PPP says they had asked CJ by writing a letter which according to some law experts is not a proper and progessive way of consulting on any legal matter…CJ did the right thing on right time by suspending the appointments otherwise Zardari would again poke his nose in matters where he is not capable enough to take any decision(considering him a jack of all trades)….
Funnier still was hearing Sharif describe Zardari as the greatest threat to democracy for trying to ‘protect his corruption.’ Now, anyone politically conscious during Mian Sahib’s second stint as prime minister (1997-99) would find this a rather odd statement coming from a man who once was a darling of the strategically placed remnants of his mentor, Ziaul Haq.
haha..look who’s talking, Sharif is the same man who actually wanted to make an amendment in the constitution just so he could be crowned as ‘Ameerul Mominin’ (leader of the faithful); a man who (quite like the evil Zardari) is usually perceived to be on top of the corruption food chain; a man who is on record confessing that his government constructed a number of false cases against Zardari and Benazir; a man whose party runs Punjab, a province today in the clutches of some of the worst economic disasters and from where, every now and then, cases of blatant incompetence and fraud emerge, usually involving Mian Sahib’s own party men (and some women).
what truly makes a mess of things is when non-lawyers start pontificating on what the law is and how voluminous case law in complicated constitutional matters is to be interpreted.
There is, according to some lawyers and mostly non-lawyers, a clash between the judiciary and the executive and the cause is the executive’s wilful disobedience. The case made is simple: the Supreme Court has pronounced its judgment in the NRO case and Chief Justice Iftikhar Chaudhry has made some recommendations for judicial appointments; on both counts, the government/President Zardari has refused to accept the court’s directives and therefore the government/President Zardari is in violation of the law and is responsible for undermining the judiciary.
Things between Zardari and CJ Iftikhar are not hunky-dory and matters could yet spiral out of control. But what the lawyers and pundits frothing at the mouth need to understand is this: while the law and politics do overlap, they are not interchangeable. What ought to be politically isn’t the same thing as what is legally.
The tone of your comments suggest that you are using multiple ID’s.
I agree that as far as democracy is concerned the record of Nawaz Sharif is not great and he too has millions of Dollars abroad, then it is the duty of Zardari, Babar Awan, Farooq Naik and Aitezaz Hassan to file a case against Nawaz Sharif for recoveries IF THEY GOT ANY SOLID EVIDENCE. But one thing is sure that there is solid evidence against Zardari in Swiss Courts and Zardari has to bring back the money.
And when we mention names of Imran Khan and JI, you poeple start getting stomach pains.
So we can only choose from the players who are available in the ring. You SaudZafar/Shahzadwarich) are not contesting the election, and also looking at your comments you do not have any political wisdom, so we have to choose between Nawaz Sharif and Zardari and we all know that Nawaz Sharif is a lesser evil than Zardari. And if you have some second thoughts about Zardari, then you can choose anyone from Babar Awan, Fauzia Wahab, Farooq Naik, Faisal Raza Abidi, Nazir Naji, Najam Sethi etc……….you see you got plenty to choose from.
As far as Gen Zia is concerned we all are very very very grateful to him for getting rid of Bhutto for us. In case you were very young in 1973, when Bhutto killed Khwaja Rafique, Dr Nazir Ahmad (of D.G.Khan), Maulana Shamsuddin, Nawab Mohd Khan etc. You know Ahmad Raza Qasuri is still alive and He can tell you that in the FIR he gave the name of Bhutto as the killer. Also Masood Mahmood too gave the evidence in the court that he shot Nawab Mohd Khan with the soldiers of FSF.
And you know Zardari killed Murtaza Bhutto, Khalid Shahinshah, and Rehman Baluch (Dacait). Rehman Baluch was close associate of Zardari and he was not decait……and you can confirm this from anyone in Lyari. Zardari should be measuring his white coffin now……….because the case of Murtaza Bhutto was dropped under the deal of NRO, and very correctly Benazir is now called ‘BB Shaheed NRO Wali’.
Bhutto was correctly hanged by Gen Zia, I wish he had sorted out the whole Bhutto family on one go. We now need another Gen Zia. You also know that son of Gen Zia (Ejaz ul Haque etc) did not behave like Murtaza Bhutto and Shahnawaz Bhutto.
yes you are right, i now start thinking that i might be using 2 ID’s to express my self. I am pretty much sure what i think about the situation and thats exactly what i have expressed.
Judges restoration not yet endorsed by Parliament: PM
Updated at: 2100 PST, Monday, February 15, 2010
ISLAMABAD: Prime Minister Yusuf Raza Gilani Monday said the Parliament has not yet granted approval to the judges’ restoration effected through an executive order and that he will not have any objection if the Parliament grants power of judges’ appointment to the Chief Justice of Pakistan.
Addressing the National Assembly here, the Prime Minister said the government will abide by the court orders but it must be told as to who will make the interpretation.
Reacting to the earlier address by the opposition leader Chaudhry Nisar, the Premier said his relations with the judiciary are not bad and that “any interpretation by the judiciary will be welcomed.”
He said the government wants better relations with the judiciary and urged it to find a solution of the current issue. “I myself made the appointment of Justice Khwaja Sharif, so how can I be against him?” he asked.
we talk about economy, Pakistan’s key stock index fell the most in over three weeks after President Zardari and Chief Justice Iftikhar Chaudhry clashed over the appointment of judges.
Here we go …. down again
looking at all these comments, it again proves this point to me that instead of listening to sincere personalities and well educated, most of the people have given commments without much knowledge of the issues. dont be so silly. you ahve to listen to others esp when you dont know the situation at all.
I hope that good people win and they save pakistan from these loooters esp zardaree. The only persons who have objected to chief justice are only remains of Musharaf and co. They still cant swallow how this truthful and honorable chief justice madehim run away with the help of God Almighty. and INshaAllah he will be able to clear pakistan from these evil minds like zardaree and co.
Thanks for sharing your view point and it does bring to light few other angles to the situation
a) so after zardari and co is kicked out (which seems to be in line with desire of many) what will happen. Afterall zardari and co have been in rule for 2+ years and our history is 63 years.
b) I thought the whole struggle of thejudiciary was to protect the law and constitution. Are you saying that this whole struggle is about get zardari and co.
c) How long Musharaff sahib had the luxury to rule and how was he able to rule for that long. All the current polituical parties and other players have been there in one form (in the assemblies) or other for the whole tenure of Musharraf sahib (PPP, PMLQ, MMA (JI&JUI), PTI, PMLN, ANP, MQM and the list continues)
This is bad news that the stock market has fallen by many points, after the clash between Judiciary and Zardari………….who is at fault???
Mr Mushtaq you sound like a Zardari lover to me. Please try make a realistic assessment of the situation.
I wont support the language a few members used for BAWA, but I agree with there concern. Bawa is trying to be Pir PAGARA of this forum, he tries his LUCH everywhere. In a post he is comparing himself with KUrd and bla bla like they all are Prophets. Its very clear CJ has right to recommend any judge among a few available in senior lot for SC, so then y we are suspecting his act with dirty act of Zaradri who tried to implement his will instead of simply putting down CJ recommendations and asking him for few more names to consider.
Bawa ji dont be pushy, be a member of this forum not Pagaro
The words used by you for others opinion like “shameless logic…..bipolar disorder……” many more, just don’t want to repeat them here….use of these words define “Mullah Minded People”………..These people will never accept that they could be wrong at any moment….and these people will always love to “impose” their views on others……..
I have not seen except few people writing in their comments, “what I think……in my opinion….this may be right…I may be wrong, but this is what I think”…….NO…..they always think that they are right……….and most of MMP are supporters of right wing all over the world…..like they will support Gen. Zia….JI…..IK and Nawaz Sharif……Few of the supporters of NS are liberals also….they respect difference of opinion……but most of these MMP want to listen that they are “RIGHT” on every issue.
Sher Snake ke shekar ke lye nikla hai. Good luck to Nawaz Shareef. Zardari is lowest of the lowest he is such a dirty person that he will do anything to save himself. I can only hope that NS knows what he is dealing with.
جنجوعہ صاحب. بڑے بھائی جو بھی الفاظ استعمال کریں انکا احترام ہم پر لازم ہے
@Bawa , Thank you for being kind and forgiving, I do have a bad habit of getting verbally abusive, while trying to make my point. I apologize for that, but most of my words have a subliminal massages , which in a morbid way reflects my dislike about the comments of the person, not necessary the person.
@ Janjuaraja
I duly respect your opinion, but some people deserve my analogies and some may be are too harsh for the person and wrong. I am from Lahore, and our figure of speech has normally more profanity than the rest of the Pakistani people.
@hypocrite
. obviously judiciary has to start from somewhere and there is no doubt the current situation in which paksitan is is very critical and we have to address not only quickly but effectively. this is the beginning of the process and InshaAllah will continue until all the corrupt politicians are rectified and done justice with.It is always a common reaction from the PPP supporters as well as supporters of other corrupt parties
Re: Bawa and multiple ID Users
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The frustration of @blogire is understandable as I have already asked you (Bawa) twice yesterday under two different topics to stop putting-up very silly, loose and casual remarks such as…….’Bawa Ji, aap ka kia haal’………’Bawa Ji, aap kahan ho……..’Bawa ji, aap aajkal kidher ho………Bawa Ji, aaj kal Waasti Sahib nahin dikhai de rahe, etc etc.
I have also read here that, ” Bawa ji, Begum ka kia haal hai”.
One day you wrote just for the sake of putting up a silly comment……” mein tuo abhi haazri lagwane hazir hua hoon, comment mein programme dekh kar doon ga”………..Tell me who is waiting here to read your stupid and silly comments which are in UNREADABLE urdu script. Your script is very difficult to read here.
@ faizalam:
محترم ,,,آپ كو اردو نہیں پڑھنی یہ آپ كا حق ہے مگر پرسنل ہونے كی آپ كو اجازت نہیں ہے میں كسی اور كا گواہ نہیں مگر لعنت بہجتا ہوں ایك سے زیادہ آئی ڈیز استمعال كرنے والوے پر بہت شكریہ
faizalam:
محترم ,,,آپ كو اردو نہیں پڑھنی یہ آپ كا حق ہے مگر پرسنل ہونے كی آپ كو اجازت نہیں ہے میں كسی اور كا گواہ نہیں مگر لعنت بہجتا ہوں ایك سے زیادہ آئی ڈیز استمعال كرنے والوے پر بہت شكریہ
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السلام و علیکم = استاد محترم. یہ وہی پرانے لوگ ہیں جو ایک دفعہ پہلے بھی اردو لکھنے کی وجہ سے ہم سے الجھ چکے ہیں. اسوقت بھی یہ ہمیں مختلف آئی ڈیز استعمال کرنے کا کہہ رہے تھے بعد میں خود انکو مختلف آئی ڈیز استعمال کرنے پر یہاں سے نکال دیا گیا تھا. آپ انکو چھوڑیں. انکا یہی کام ہے
@ Allah ka Banda
bhai .. Bawa ki batain kaafi mazoon hoti hain… kai dafa un ki batain merey khilaat se mutasadim hoti hian … lekin jaisa k aik aur dost ne pehjlay likha ha .. un ki baton ki achi baat unbiasness hoti ha … jo kem ez kem merey me nai ha … is liye mujhay woh pasand hain … lekin chon keh woh gher janibdaar hain is liye woh aksar ziada ter logon ko naraz ker detey hain kiun k un k her blog me takreeben sabhi regrray ja rahay hotay hian …
doosri baat yeh ha k yahan per mojood aksar logon ki siasi baseerat to kahir kia honi ha
personal meturity aur education level ka hi haal .. kia kehnay ha …
log zara si baat mushilbnat ko nahi samaj paatay .. aur siasat per sair laaa hasil bahes ker jatay hain ….
aaap ki terah main bhi CJ ka haami hon .. . aur aap merey pichlay blogs perh saktay hain woh isi bat ki gawahi bhi dain ge … lekin agar thori dair k liye apni janb daari ko aik taraf rekh dia jaye … tu merey bhai masla yeh ha keh … CJ ka jo yeh faisala ha na is ko ghalat ya sahi kehna bohut mushkil ha .. kiun keh un k pas dono choices thin .. rules and regulation k hisab se he had choice … aik tu tha seedha rasta .. woh tu justice shareef ki promotion thi … to SC … lekin us me masla yeh tha k yeh Justice shareef k liye aur justice nisar dono k liye bura hota …
ziada bura tu justice nisar k liye hota kiunk woh abhi kafi young hain .. aur agar woh LHC k cheif ho jatay tu un ka sc me future utna bright na rehta… jutice shareef k liey bhi 3 maheenay SC me reh ker koi khas faida na hota
so instead of going for normal way and promoting on the bases of seniority he went for the most optimal solution .. which was neither any benificient to himself nor was harmful for govt.. though such yahi ha keh… it was not according to the straight forward rules … was a bit ghumaoo… but again was a good decision for in the benifit of justice nisar and shareef …
lekin govt. ko pata nahi kia masla hua ha why have they goneso far against it ..it was all an ediotic way to act .. but wait … in fact it was not …
jo log kehtay hain k yeh zardari ka khudkesh hamla ha sahi kehtay hain …
by doing this he wants to get ou in a way that he can calaim to be a mazloom insead of mulzim…
us ko pata ha keh … ji ka jana theher gaya ha suboh gaya k sham gaya … tu why not to go ina way keh apnay dushmano (judiciary and justice) ka ziada se ziada nuqsan ker dia jaye aur … apnay liye ziada se ziada faida aur hamderdian hasil ker li jayen ..
is scenario main mera khial ha keh CJ agar justice shareef ko SC me le aaty tu at least zardari is se undue faida na utha pata ….
please dont take things so personal. nobody is forcing anybody to read comments and it is everybody’s right to write whatever he wants. generally my advice is to avoid useless comments but at the same time to have tolerance for others esp foe harmless comments etc. I hope this helps you to have more tolerance for each other.
ohhhhhhhhh ! plzzzzzz hold on sir !! my mother told me never say BAD THINGS as wishes as some time the angels carry that WISH to Allah ……….. & God forbid if this horrible wish of yours fulfilled … what would happen ?? another RULE of UNRULED , another Afghan Jihad , incoming Kalashans, TT s & more criminals ammunitions , More MQMs ,more Punjabi Pakhtoons Itehads , more Sipah sahabas & Lasker e Jahangwis, more Nifaz e fiqa Jaferiyya , more DRUGS , more political Killings , more hatred & more Publilc Hangings, more lashes to innocents , more evil doers getting away with heroin smuggling & more DISHONOR /DISRESPECT for my being ( the WOMEN of PAKISTAN)……….. NO WAY !! NO to all kinds of ZIAS , MUSHARRAFS & ………… KIYANIS ……….. NO !! a BIG NO to any kind of ARMY RULE …………… I have given my VOTE & I will never ALLOW any of ” MY PAID SERVANTS ” to make an EXCUSE & TOPPLE the CIVIL setup … whatever inefficient or corrupt we have … we INSHAALLAH FIX IT ……… but PUBLIC SERVANTS in Uniforms MUST respect my right of VOTE ….. & thats all … so ! all you my brothers !! JUST FORGET ABOUT another ZIA or Mush or Kiyani or Yehayeha or whatever !!!
@ anna
aaap samjhi nahi ……. yess we need another zia .. kiun k abhi us ka mission mukamal nahi hua .. pakistanabhi abhi qaim ha aik aur aye ga tu hi pakistan khatam ho ga na
issi mauqay per main erz kerta hon k
in sab ka.. aur poori qaum ka durr fitte munh …
No !! Our NATION is the best nation of the world after the Palestinians ! we are Struggling for our survival & InshaAllah we will be SUCCESSFUL ..I have no doubts !!
&
have my words brother! Durr…. …*** whatever unkaa jo humaray pyaray watan ko khatam kerna chatay ” thay ” ya chahtay hain !!!
@ anna
ji main bhi unhi ko keh raha hon durr fitte munh .. lekin msala yeh ha k un me do terah k log hain aik jo intentioanlly aisa ker rahay hain aur doosray woh jo unintentionally aisa kerna chah rahay hain …
rahi baat nation ki tu .. janab .. m sorry i cant agree with u .. please… duniya ka bal keh qainaat ka asool ha .. jaisi rooh waisay frishtay .. jaisa munh waisi chappairr …. jis qaum ka sadar Asif Ali Zardari ho … us qaum ki auqat kia ho gi yeh ap ko samajhna chahiye … nahi samjhain ge tu khair .. koi masla nahi yahan bohut se naa samajh already mojood hain …
sorry .. main is Nation ko great to kia nation hi nahi samjhta …
اسمیں کوئی شک نہیں کہ ہم ایک بہترین اور زندہ قوم ہیں. ہمیں صرف ایک اور قائد اعظم کی تلاش ہے جو ہماری بھٹکی ہوئی ناؤ کو طوفانوں سے نکال کر کنارے تک لے جائے
aur han at the moment we are not winning the war of our survival .. whole government machine is working to save one man … none is fighting for the durvival of ur nation or country … .. aap k yahan aa ker keh dainey se mujhay hola zaroor hota agar mujhay yeh sab nazar na aaa raha hota …
@mujtaba-ali
main is Nation ko great to kia nation hi nahi samjhta …
مجتبیٰ بھائی. مایوسی گناہ ہے. اس قوم پر جب بھی کبھی برا وقت آیا یا کوئی مصیبت آئی تو یہ قوم ایک مثالی قوم بن گئی. اندیاد سے جنگوں میں اور حالیہ زلزلے میں اس قوم نے جس جذبے کا مظاہرہ کیا اس نے دنیا کو حیران کر دیا. مجھے یاد ہے جب نواز شریف نے قرض اتارو ملک سنوارو کا نارہ لگایا تو لوگوں نے اپنی پوری پوری تنخواہیں اور عورتوں نے اپنے زیور تک اسمیں جمع کروا دیے
@ Bawa
kaun si mitti
punjab ki sindh ki sarhad ki ya blochistan ki
Paksitan ki?
wo kia hota ha … is there any Pakistnai here …
i speak loud .. i am asking every one is there any Pakistnai here …
nai
koi isndhi ha koi blochi ha koi pthan ha koi punjabi ha koi sariki ha koi kashmiri ha koi jiyala ha koi leegiya ha..
pakistani tu ah koi nahi tu mitti kaun si?
سینیارٹی کا سنہری اصول اور آمرانہ سوچ
اپنی پسندیدہ شخصییت کو اپنی پسندیدہ پوسٹ پر رکھنا آمرانہ سوچ کی عکاسی کرتا ہے. چیف جسٹس اپنی اجارہ داری قایم رکھنے کے لیے خواجہ شریف کو لاہور ہائی کورٹ میں رکھنا چاہتے ہیں کیونکہ انہیں جسٹس ثاقب نثار کی بجائے خواجہ شریف پر زیادہ بھروسہ ہے. بالکل اسی طرح اپنی اجارہ داری قایم رکھنے زرداری نے کرپٹ ہونے کے باوجود لطیف کھوسہ اور بابر اعوان جیسے لوگوں کو انتہائی اہم عہدوں پر بٹھا رکھا ہے. چیف جسٹس اور حکومت میرٹ کی دھجیاں اڑانے کے لیے آئین کا سہارہ لے رہے ہیں. اسی آئین کا سہارا لیکر زارداری اپنی کرپشن کو چھپا رہے ہیں. کوئی بھی سنیارٹی اور میرٹ کے سنہری اصول کو اپنے پر تیار نہیں. حکومت سے تو کسی میرٹ یا اخلاقی قدر پر عمل کرنے کی کبھی توقع نہ تھی لیکن چیف جسٹس نے آمرانہ سوچ کا اظہار کرکے اپنے بہت سے چاہنے والوں کو مایوس کیا اور کوئی اچھی مثال قایم نہیں کی. محض حکومت کو نیچا دکھانے کیلیے ایک سنہری اصول کو بالائے تاک رکھنے کی ان سے امید نہ تھی
شوق دا کوئی مل نئیں
لگ یہ رہا ہے کہ ایوانِ صدر کے مکین کو ایک سے ایک نادر مسائل جمع کرنے کا شوق ہے
یہ سب ہونا تو تھا لیکن ویلنٹائن ڈے کے بعد ہوتا تو اچھا تھا۔ سال میں ایک ہی دن تو آتا ہے جب ہر دل نرم ہونا چاہئے۔جب گلاب کی حکمرانی اور خوش کلامی کی فراوانی ہونی چاہئے۔کم ازکم یومِ محبت پر ، عاجلانہ فیصلے ، کشیدگی، گالم گفتار، تیز مزاجی، الزام تراشی، پتلا سوزی اور بے یقینی کی فضا اچھی نہیں لگتی۔
مگر کیا کریں کوتاہ نظری، ہٹ دھرمی ، اپنی ناک اونچی رکھنے اور دوسرے کی ناک رگڑوانے کی خواہش نے بحیثیت مجموعی دل و دماغ کی کنڈیشننگ کچھ اس طرح کردی ہے کہ جس دن گالی سنائی نہ دے، کسی کو برا بھلا نہ کہہ لیا جائے ، کسی کی انا کے آگے بین نہ بجا لی جائے یا دوسرے کا منہ نہ چڑا لیا جائے ۔ نہ تو ہمارے دماغ کو سکون ملتا ہے نہ ہی دل خوش ہوتا ہے۔
آپ کو تو اچھی طرح معلوم ہے کہ پچھلے دو برس میں آپ نے کتنے فیصلے یکطرفہ طور پر کرنےکی کوشش کی لیکن یہ فیصلے آپ کو چارو ناچار بادلِ نخواستہ واپس لینے پڑے۔جیسے معطل ججوں کی بحالی پر آپ اور آپ کے حواریوں کا مسلسل موقف رہا کہ یہ ایگزیکٹو آرڈر سے بحال نہیں ہوسکتے۔انہیں ازسرِنو حلف اٹھانا پڑے گا۔انکی بحالی آئینی پیکیج کے بغیر ممکن نہیں ہے وغیرہ وغیرہ۔لیکن پھر انہی ججوں کو ایک اوورسیزاور ایک لوکل ٹیلی فون کال پر بحال کرنا پڑا اور بدنامی بھی کمائی۔
اس وقت بھی یہی ہوا جب آپ این آر او کو پارلیمنٹ سے ایک سو بیس دن کی عدالتی مہلت میں بھی منظور نہ کراسکے۔ عدالت میں این آر او کا دفاع کرنے کی بھی کوشش نہیں کی۔اور جب عدالت نے اسے کالعدم قرار دے دیا تو آپ اس فیصلے پر عمل درآمد کروانے کے بجائے پورے معاملے کو سیاست کی کنوئیر بیلٹ پر لے آئے اور سازش سازش کا شور مچا دیا۔
آپ کو تو اچھی طرح معلوم ہے کہ پچھلے دو برس میں آپ نے کتنے فیصلے یکطرفہ طور پر کرنےکی کوشش کی لیکن یہ فیصلے آپ کو چارو ناچار بادلِ نخواستہ واپس لینے پڑے
آپ بخوبی جانتے ہیں کہ نہ جسٹس خواجہ شریف آپ کے ہیں، نہ جسٹس ثاقب نثار آپ کے ملاقاتی ہیں اور نہ جسٹس افتخار چوہدری سے آپ کو جانب داری کی توقع ہے۔چنانچہ یہ جج جانیں کہ کونسی تقرری بہتر ہے اور کس کا تبادلہ اچھا ہے۔جیسے آپ روزانہ بیسیوں دیگر حکمناموں اور سمریوں پر دستخط کرتے ہیں ججوں کی سمری پر بھی دستخط کردیتے۔
مگرآپ آصف علی زرداری نے ایک بار پھر کیلے کے چھلکے پر پاؤں رکھ دیا۔اور ایک بار پھر آپ کی کمر کو چک پڑنے سے بچانے کے لئے وزیرِ اعظم یوسف رضا گیلانی کو کہنا پڑ رہا ہے کہ جو عدالت کا فیصلہ ہوگا وہی ہمارا فیصلہ بھی ہوگا۔
جیسے کسی کو آٹوگراف جمع کرنے کا شوق تو کسی کو سکے اور کرنسی نوٹ یا ڈاک ٹکٹ جمع کرنے کا جنون ہوتا ہے۔اسی طرح لگ یہ رہا ہے کہ ایوانِ صدر کے مکین کو ایک سے ایک نادر مسائل جمع کرنے کا شوق ہے۔لیکن یہ شوق وہی ہے جس کے بارے میں کہا جاتا ہے کہ شوق دا کوئی مل نئیں۔اسکے عوض سب کچھ لٹ سکتا ہے۔
آپ کی راہ میں کیلے کے چھلکے بچھانے والے فاروق نائیک چیرمین
Zaradri’s favouvrite dish” 100 جوتے 100 پیاز ”
آپ کی راہ میں کیلے کے چھلکے بچھانے والے فاروق نائیک چیرمین سینٹ یا بابر اعوان وزیرِ قانون یا لطیف کھوسہ مشیرِ خصوصی نہ رہے تو کسی عدالت کے باہر پھر سے تھڑا لگالیں گے۔آپ کا کیا ہوگا جنابِ عالی !
above is from bbcurdu
بقول ہارون رشید شیر نے شکار کرنے کا فیصلہ کر لیا ہے اور اب شکار کرے گا لسی نہیں پئے گا
عدلیہ کو تقسیم کرنے کی سازش بھی تو آئین سے غداری ہے .بقول وجیہ الدین سنگین غداری .
آج لاہور میں بھی خوب ڈرامہ ہوا جہاں زرداری کی حمایت میں چند جاہلوں کو اکٹھا کر کے عدلیہ کے خلاف نعرے بازی کی گیئ حالانکہ ہر کوئی جانتا ہے سارے فساد کی جڑ زرداری صاحب کے لوٹے ہوئے پیسےاور انکا غیر جمہوری رویہ ہے. تین چور بابر اعوان، لطیف کھوسہ اور زرداری نے مل کر عدلیہ کے خلاف سازشیں شروع کی ہوئ ہیں کبھی کہتےہیں پاکستان توڑ دیں گے کبھی کچھ کبھی کبھی کچھ، کتے والی زبان پائی ہے. ابھی اسی فورم میں چند لوگ بھڑک اٹھیں گے کہ زرادری صدر ہے اس کا احترم کیا جائے لیکن کوئی بھی شخصیت اس ملک سے بڑھ کر نہیں ہے . لاہور میں نواز شریف کے پتلے جلا کر جلتی پے تیل چھڑکنے کا کام کیا گیا .
پچھلے دو سالوں میں ملک کا جی حال کیا ہے اس حکومت نے وہ بھی کسی سے ڈھکا چھپا نہیں صرف ٢ سالوں میں 15 ارب ڈالر کے قرضے کھا گئے ہیں جبکہ اس سے قبل 60 سالوں میں غیر ملکی قرضے 40 ارب ڈالر تھے . پچھلے 62 سالوں میں ہمارے حکمرانوں کی کرپشن کی وجہ سے ہمارے لوگ پانی اور بنیادی ضروریات زندگی کو ترس گئے ہیں اگر یقین نہ اے تو مندرجہ ظل تصویر دیکھ لیں .http://www.bbc.co.uk/urdu/interactivity/2010/02/100210_ugc_gallery_feb1.shtml
ووٹ تو انکے نام کے لیتے ہیں لیکن یہ آج کا بلوچستان اور تھر ہے جہاں پر بڑی بڑی کاروں کی raily تو کر لیتے ہیں لیکن بیچاروں کو پانی تک نہیں دے سکتے.
نواز شریف صاحب دیر آید درست آید
عمران خان صاحب زرداری کے الیکشن کے وقت آپ نے احتجاجی مظاہرہ کر کے ایک اچھے پاکستانی ہونے کا ثبوت دیا آپ کو سلام.
بقول ہارون رشید شیر نے شکار کرنے کا فیصلہ کر لیا ہے اور اب شکار کرے گا لسی نہیں پئے گا.
There are three options that come to my mind:
a) Relentless, fair and unbiased trial of ALL from 1970.
b) NRO for ALL from 1970
c) Mix of (a) and (b) or selective trials
I think (c) will not work.
The reasons for including ALL is:
1) It covers all those who claim to be champion of democracy and those who are becoming champions of democracy
Media empires and lifafa journalists
2) PCO judges
3) Dictators who took power to clean mess and corruption and have kleft bigger mess
4) Those who supported dictators and those who made deals with dictators
5) Those who have accounts in foreign countries and those who have become super rich in very short period of time
6) Those who claim to have sacrificed for judiciary and those who claim to be supportive of judiciary in past, present and future
7) Those who have killed innocents by thousands across the country and yet still are part of all governments
9) Those who are financially corrupt and those who are morally corrupt
10) Those who have abused and misused religion repeatedly
If we cannot do this once and for all we will always be in the same position. Let the very few who are responsible for the mess be tried or barred from being in power once and for all.
Pakistan needs a fair and euqal system for all regardless of religion, caste, language, age, gender and status.
Who can give it to the country !!!!
@Bawa
@Bawa
Thats not true.
if it was like this , then response of Justice Saqib Nisar would have been different .
Reason is judicary wnats smooth functioning of LHC and for that thy dont want to appoint another chief justice just for 2 months.
Khawja Sharif will be elevated to SC in May and then another chief justice of LHC will be appointed for longer term.
Reason behind this all is more of @ dministrative nature.
Remember, if khawja sharif will go to SC in May, he will become junior to justice khawja saqib nisar, so he is actually the one to pay for htis decision and he has no objection.
On theother hand, even if justice saqib nisar is appointed CJ of LHC, wat he will get by this 2 months assignment?
by the time he will be understanding the @ dminsitrative issues, he willbe moved to SC.
so not everything is related to politics.
@ hypocrite
Pakistan needs a fair and euqal system for all regardless of religion, caste, language, age, gender and status. Who can give it to the country !!!!
I agree and appreciate your comments.
@ AntiYellowJournalism
Bawa, Thats not true.
if it was like this , then response of Justice Saqib Nisar would have been different .
بھائی جی پہلے جن لوگوں نے چیف سے اختلاف کیا تھا آج وہ کہاں ہیں؟ جسٹس ثاقب نثار اسقدر کمزور حکومت کی خاطر اپنی ملازمت کا رسک کیوں لیتے؟ انھوں نے وہی کیا جس سے انکی ملازمت محفوظ ہوتی تھی
Bawa sahib
If I get a chance to make this independent panel who cleans our mess, you will be part of it and it is not becuase you have supported me but I have noticed that you generally have a fair and unbiased posiiton.
this fragmented country needs Pakistanis and only Pakistanis.
Ooops, I am turning this into a chat room which is not fair to all other contributors
@ hypocrite
میں مزید آپکے لیے کچھ لکھونگا تو لوگ کہیں گے کہ ایک ہی آدمی آئی ڈی بدل بدل کر کومنٹس لکھ رہا ہے. الله تعالیٰ ہم سب کی رہنمائی فرمائے اور ہمیں صراط مستقیم پر چلائے آمین
i think zardari believes in ‘divide and conquer’ theory, in which he fails badly
I AM JUST WONDERING, I HAVE SEEN COMMENTS BY CHIEF JUSTICE OF PAKISTAN DURING HEARING OF SENIOR OFFICER APPOINTMENT PETITION IN SUPREME COURT. IN THESE COMMENTS, CJ OF PAKISTAN SAID, WHY SENIORITY IS NOT THE PRINCIPLE FOR APPOINTMENT OF OFFICERS. WHY GOVT. WANTS TO DO PICK AND CHOOSE?
MY QUESTION IS VERY SIMPLE. WHY CJ OF PAKISTAN WANTS TO DO PICK AND CHOOSE FOR SUPREME COURT? ALL THIS IS MATTER OF PICK AND CHOOSE. IF HE WROTE RECOMMENDATION THAT PROMOTE THE SENIOR ONE IN SUPREME COURT THEN IT MAKE MORE SENSE AND JUSTIFIED. WHY HE WANTS TO DO PICK AND CHOOSE FOR LAHORE HIGH COURT?
نظریہ، خواب، سبز باغ،فریب
اصل مقصد ہے زر سے بھرنا جیب
جن کے ہاتھوں میں باگ ملک کی تھی
ان کو دیتی رہی کرپشن زیب
کیسے ظالم تھے، ملک دشمن تھے
لے گئے قوم کو وہ سوئے نشیب
اک طرف بھوک،دوسری جانب
حلوہ،چرغہ، پراٹھا اور جلیب
کب ملے نوکری، ہو کب شادی
کیا بتائوں تجھے سویٹی ، بیب
ملک آدھا جو رہ گیا مسعود
وہ ہے زرداریوں کا خاص وسیب
Janjuaraja sahib
You have a valid question.
In a country where major players are interested in absolute power and no respect fro any institute, accountability and fairness we cannot just single out one person or institute. Those who dont like zardari pin point him and those who like zardari pin point others.
This tussle of who is supreme has to stop at some time as it doesnt help ordinary people who are eihter dying of bullets and bombs or because of poverty and unjust system. Is this just because of zardari or just because of CJ sahib, i dont know but I know that in 63 years we have lost a lot and gained very very little.
Hypocrate Sahib:
billi kay galay main ghanti kon bandhay ga?
In other words who will make the NEW system?
Those who call themselves rescuers are dragging us in deeper mess. (everyone equally responsible, even general public)
Solution in my view is this:-
Forgive everyone and start from scratch “Make New Constitution”
The new constitution must be made by those who will be able to take oath that they will not sit on any post for 10 years ?
But is this Possible ?????????????????????
@Bawa
چیف جسٹس اپنی اجارہ داری قایم رکھنے کے لیے خواجہ شریف کو لاہور ہائی کورٹ میں رکھنا چاہتے ہیں کیونکہ انہیں جسٹس ثاقب نثار کی بجائے خواجہ
شریف پر زیادہ بھروسہ ہے
I totally disagree with you on this comment and am very concerned about your bi polar disorder and your flip flops about every subject. You like to live in the gray area and have a distorted view about the judicial“activism” , which in my view is a just and bold confrontation between the good and evil.
The question is are you with the good or an oblivious evil. The medical degree is not a scale of perfection in all fields. Politics requires firm stands and open mindedness, where you have to have conviction about your believes.
Like medicine its not a toss between a viral infection and the bacterial infection, either way the safe bet is to prescribe antibiotic.
Let me explain you simple and clear, you have people including me who like you as a person, who is polite and has a good sense of humor, but your political views and comments are confusing and misguided at times.
Your intelligence is not in question, you motives are. Could you clearly tell me that Zardari gang of criminals should be able to or allowed to shield their crimes by using some loop holes in the laws or the constitution? This criminal has unleashed the grave worshippers in the Pakistan and flexing his mussels of his criminal Mafia and the brain dead “Jiayalaas” and is willing to start an ethnic war in Sindh and Karachi and a civil war in allover Pakistan.
How dare you compare the Honorable CJ with the most dishonorable person in the history of Pakistan Asif Ali Madari, the criminally insane, sadistic, narcissistic, egotistic, undereducated, habitual criminal, habitual lire, mentally deranged, grave worshipper, kidnapper, murderer, traitor, money launderer, tax cheat and a man who steels from the poorest of poor and does not feel any shame, literally a human garbage, an insult to Pakistanis all around the world.
You are entitled to your opinion but at times your comments are like a virus and you make the most difficult and emotional issues murky and more confusing. Your use of Urdu language discourages a great majority to understand or even to read your comments on a English forum, which in my opinion is either your attempt to influence a targeted audience with your confusing and self serving comments. Write in English and let all the people who read this tread to get to know you.
Other than that you are a cool dude. I will agree with you that I myself am very opinionated and firm in my believes, but I look at the big picture and do not nitpick little points to discard a great movement of the last hope for Pakistan’s survival and getting Pakistan out of the hands of Family and ethnic Mafia groups via simply implementing the Laws of the land, already in the books.
We have to confront these Cancers one by one at a this late stage, it’s time for a major surgical procedure to cut these off to save the country.
Listen to great Imran Khan, he speaks the truth and explains these matters in very coherent and logical ways. I am not a easy person to follow people, but I will be honored to have Imran Khan as my leader.
Pakistan’s esteemed and greatest judiciary has once again proved its mettle, when it overruled and suspended the wayward appointments of civilian dictator of Pakistan.
Pakistan’s judiciary is free and they have shown that now no one will be able to play with the justice and people of this country. They have shown that judges are there to do justice and not to kowtow the line of government. CJ Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry’s companion have remained steadfast and solid.
kya roads per long march karnay sai masael hal ho jaiangai? jis ko dekho march ki baat kar raha hai..haad ho gaye
sahamd
It will happen one day and that I strongly believe. I only wish if it happens quickly so that innocent pakistanis dont have to suffer more.
اسلام علیكم : باوا جی اج آپ ڈاكٹر صاحب كی كلاس نہیں لے رہے? اج زرداری اور چودھری افتخار كی كلاس لیں رہے ہیں ,كیا بات ہے موسم كیسا ہے? آپ كے كینڈا كا
@AnumH said:
“Pakistan’s esteemed and greatest judiciary has once again proved its mettle, when it overruled and suspended the wayward appointments of civilian dictator of Pakistan.
Pakistan’s judiciary is free and they have shown that now no one will be able to play with the justice and people of this country. They have shown that judges are there to do justice and not to kowtow the line of government. CJ Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry’s companion have remained steadfast and solid.”
Well Said!
@maxpk
اسلام علیكم : باوا جی اج آپ ڈاكٹر صاحب كی كلاس نہیں لے رہے? اج زرداری اور چودھری افتخار كی كلاس لیں رہے ہیں ,كیا بات ہے موسم كیسا ہے? آپ كے كینڈا كا
وعلیکُم السلام استاد محترم. ہماری تو خود کلاس لگی رہتی ہے ہم کسی کی کلاس کیسے لے سکتے ہیں؟ ہم تو ایک اصول کی بات کر رہے ہیں. ہر غیر اصولی کا جواب دینے کے لیے آئیں کی کوئی نہ کوئی شق نکال لی جاتی ہے. ہمارے ساتھ یہ مذاق کب تک چلتا رہے گا؟ ہماری اعَلیٰ ترین عدلیہ بھی اگر وہی بے اصولی کرے گی تو اصولوں کی پاسداری کون کرے گا؟ .
what nonsense people uttering on this forum that cj did not consider seniority and merit in the case of justice saqib nisar and justice khawaja sharif
first thing is that there is no seniority criteria for high court judges according to al-jihad case,its solely discretion of cj of supreme court to appoint them
second thing is that merit wass observed in this case,b/c justice saqib nisar had taken oath under the pco when justice khawja sharif and many more refused to do so
so justice khawja sharif was on merit and not justice saqib nisar,as if same happns in future justice saqib nisar would be again ready to take oath under pco
so this was not fair to hand over the lahore high court to such a person who was not trustworthy
so this all was best decided and was according the rules and regulations
people should not confuse the things in effort of being hero here
@ ZEE
justice saqib nisar had taken oath under the pco when justice khawja sharif and many more refused to do so
so justice khawja sharif was on merit and not justice saqib nisar,as if same happns in future justice saqib nisar would be again ready to take oath under pco
so this was not fair to hand over the lahore high court to such a person who was not trustworthy
اگر جسٹس ثاقب نثار نے پی سی او پر حلف لیا ہے اور وہ قابل اعتماد نہیں ہیں تو وہ ہائی کورٹ میں بیٹھے کیا کر رہے ہیں؟ انکو گھر کیوں نہیں بھیجا گیا؟ انکو سپریم کورٹ میں بھیجنے کی سفارش کیوں کی جا رہی ہے؟ انکو چیف جسٹس افتخار چوہدری ساباش کس بات کی دے رہے ہیں؟
@Bawa
باوا جی آپ كی بات درست ہے مگر میں اس سے مكمل اتفاق نہیں كرتا بلكے مجھ جیسے بہت ہوں گے
.. كیا اس عدلیہ كے بحال كرنیں میں زرداری صاحب خوش تھے ? نہیں
كیا ایك بھی زرداری صاحب نے اپنا وعداہ پورا كیا ?جن كا زكر قومی اسمبلی كے جوائینٹ سیشن میں دو بار كیا ہے اب تیسری بار مارچ میں یہ ہی ڈرامہ ہو گا
. اس سے قبل ہائی كوٹ سے كیا جج سپریم كورٹ میں نہیں لیا گیا ?وہ وہ بھی جونیر
بہت ساری مثالیں ہیں مگر بات صرف ایتنی ہے كیا قیامت تھی شام كو ایك ڈكٹیٹر كی طرح نوٹی فكیشن جاری كیا گیا جب نیت ہی خراب ہو تو ایسا ہی ہوتا ہے
@ZEE
1.BHAI AAP SAY KISS NAY KEH DIYAA KAY SENIORITY ISSUE NAHEE HAI, TU PHIRR CH JUSTICE SAJJAD ALI SHAH CASE KIYA THAA??????????
2. DOOSRI JAGGAH AAP NAY FARMAYA KAY JUSTICE SAQIB NISAR NAY PCO KAY TEHAT HALLAF THAYIA THAA ISS LIYAY WOH TRSTWORTHY NAHEE HAI, TU AAP KAY CH JUSTICE IFTAKHAR NAY U 2 DAFFA PCO KAY TEHAT HALLAF UTHAYIA THAA.
…………جو ایك ڈكٹیٹر كرتا تھا وہ ہی آج بھی ہو رہا ہے نا كل اچھا تھا نا آج اچھا ہے
http://ejang.jang.com.pk/2-14-2010/images/3854.gif
@maxpk
meray bhai zardari sahab iss adliyah ku bahal karnay mein khush they yaa nahee sawal yeh hay kay yeh adliyah aazad adliyah aur insaaf ki tehreek kay nateejay mein aayi thi aur jab yh addliyah khud say hee aisay beasooli walay kaam shiroo kar dey tu woh theek nahee hay.
aggar mein aur aap yaa zardari aur nawaz sharif kuch gallat karein tu uss ka faisalah adliyah nay karna hotaa hay aur aggar adliyah hee aisay kaam shirooo kard day tu haq aur sach kaa faisla kaun karay gaa.
@ maxpk
استاد محترم. اصول تو اصول ہیں. انکو ایک مرتبہ اگر نظر انداز کر دیا گیا تھا تو اسکا مطلب یہ نہیں کہ انکو ہر مرتبہ نظر انداز کر دیا جائے
جیہڑا کپو او ای لال ۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔ !!
mera kyal hai ab zardari ka pecha chor dain kun ke yeh b team hai parvez musharraf ke
zardari aur unke panch sathion nain puri party membran ko jo lete hain vote awam say awam
ke khidmat ke leye magar assembly main government ke gulam bun jate hain .
I will again say,don’t confuse the things
only justice saqib nisar(pco judge) is not sitting in the court,there are “few” more pco jujdges sitting in the courts but its according to supreme court’s decision of 31st july which was not given only by cj but the full bench of supreme court
and these all will be cornered as is done with justice saqib nisar
but it was wise not to hand over him “all” the lahore high court
and cj is appreciating him “now” when he had refused and himself saying
I have paid “kaffara”
and you know summary was sent before this “kaffara”
so don’t confuse the things
and justice saqib nisar is clever as he knew even if he had taken the oath he would have been thrown out by the judiciary as justice sajjad ali shah was thrown out
so he is showing some wisdome
paying “kaffara” on the one hand and having something (as compared to nothing) on the other hand
so don’t confuse the things
زیرِ جبہ ہیں خنجر چھپائے ہوئے
کس طریقت کے خواجگان ہیں یہ؟
یار مسعود ، ان سے بچ کے رہو
یہ منافق ہیں ، بے ایمان ہیں یہ
@ blogire
Bhai saab you are over your limit, no matter how much we disagree with someone that kind of language is not acceptable on this forum against another member.
blogire said:
Bawa is such a harami ka pilla. I hate these type of people
دوست آپ كو ایسا ہرگز نہیں لكھنا چاہیے, ہر شخص كا اپنا نقتہ نظر ہے, آپ كو اس سے اتفاق نہیں ہے نا كریں ,100سو بار نا كریں
Blogire
To hate or love is your right and it shall be respected by all. To call names to someone is not a right and is not a dignified thing to do. I hope you are a very dignified person.
I think everyone will appreciate you if you could make Bawa sahib change his position by logic.
pakistan only need imran khan otherwise pakistan will be like this poor people will be poorest and no justice in society so ready for civil war
for champions…
read my first comments again,I said no seniority criteria for HIGH COURT judges to be picked up for supreme court,its only discretion of cj of supreme court and its according to al-jihad case
sajjad ali case was that MOST senior judge of SUPREME COURT will be cj of supreme court
as sajjad ali shah was not most senior at that time
he was appointed bypassing the justice ajmal mian and many more at taht time by ppp govt
and people saying that current cj also had taken oath under pco
don’t repeat these arguements of najam sethi and people like him again and again
every one knows the contribution of this cj for ma beloved country
so no comparison of this cj with anyone at all
Bawa said:
@ maxpk
استاد محترم. اصول تو اصول ہیں. انکو ایک مرتبہ اگر نظر انداز کر دیا گیا تھا تو اسکا مطلب یہ نہیں کہ انکو ہر مرتبہ نظر انداز کر دیا جائے
? باوا اصول صرف عدلیہ كے لیے ہی ہے كیا
?? فاروق نائیك زرداری صاحب كا زاتی ملازم نہیں ہے
? ڈاكٹر بابار اعوان زاتی ملازم نہیں ہے
? محترم عزت معاب لطیف كھوسہ صاحب زرداری صاحب كے زاتی ملازم نہیں ہیں اور تھے
جو لوگ 10دس سال تك زرداری صاحب كی كرپش كے كیسیز پر تاریخیں ڈلواتے اور بیماری كے سیٹیفكیٹ عدالتوں میں دیتے اج وہ اسلامی جمہوریہ پاكستان كے اہم اداروں كے سربراہ بنے بیٹھے ہیں …افسوس كا مقام ہے بات اصول كی كس جگہ اصول ہے بس كو معلوم ہے زرداری كبھی بھی اس عدلیہ كو آزدی سے كام نہیں كرنیں دیے گا سوال ہی پیدا نہیں ہوتا موصوف كو معلوم ہے یا یہ عدلیہ ہو گی یا پھر وہ خود
@ blogire
Bawa is such a harami ka pilla. I hate these type of people
بھائی جی. الله تعالیٰ آپکا بھلا کرے اور آپکو ہدایت دے آمین
champion11 said:
@maxpk
meray bhai zardari sahab iss adliyah ku bahal karnay mein khush they yaa nahee sawal yeh hay kay yeh adliyah aazad adliyah aur insaaf ki tehreek kay nateejay mein aayi thi aur jab yh addliyah khud say hee aisay beasooli walay kaam shiroo kar dey tu woh theek nahee hay.
aggar mein aur aap yaa zardari aur nawaz sharif kuch gallat karein tu uss ka faisalah adliyah nay karna hotaa hay aur aggar adliyah hee aisay kaam shirooo kard day tu haq aur sach kaa faisla kaun karay gaa.
بھائی جی جب آپ ایك ادارے كو شرع دن سے ہی نہیں مانتے تو وہاں كیا دلیل كام آے گی آپ سو بار بھی دلیل دیں كہ سینیر جج یا جونیر جج مجھے اس سے كوئی غرض نہیں ہے اگر كچھ جیالے وكلا اگر یہ دلیل دیتے ہیں تو اس سے بہت بڑی تعداد ان وكلا اور قانون جاننے والوں كی بھی ہیں جو شام كو سوا چھ بجے نوٹیفكیشن نكالنے كے خلاف ہیں اور اس عدلیہ كے ساتھ ہیں
كمال تو یہ ہے جس پر كرپشن كے الزامات ہیں وہ ہی جج بھی مقرر كرے گا كیوں اس كو یہ اختیار ہے آئیں میں واہ اس كو یہ حق نہیں ہے كہ وزیراعظم كا بھی مشوراہ لے لے فیصلہ صدر ہاوس میں ہوتا ہے اور تھوپا وزیراعظم پر جاتا ہے یہ ہی كمانڈو صاحب كرتے تھے اور نام شوكت عزیز كا لگا دیا جاتا تھا آج بھی وہی ہورہا ہے فرق صرف یہ ہے پہلے پیرزادے اور ملك قیوم ہوتے تھے آب عوان نائیك كھوسے ہم قیامت تك یہ ہی نارے لگاتے رہیں گے ایك كو ٹانگا گیا تو انشااللہ تعالی پاكستان بھی ترقی كی طرف جاے گا
@ aftab @ maxpk @ hypocrite
آپ سب کا بہت شکریہ
blogire said:
Bawa is such a harami ka pilla. I hate these type of people
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بھائی گالم گلوچ کیے بغیر بھی تو آپ اپنی نفرت کا اظہار کر سکتے ہیں
@maxpk
استاد محترم. آپکی ساری باتیں درست ہیں لیکن میں نے شروع میں کہا ہے کہ حکومت سے یا زرداری سے تو کسی میرٹ یا اخلاقی قدر پر عمل کرنے کی کبھی توقع نہ تھی. اعتراض یا شکواہ ان پر کیا جاتا ہے جن سے کوئی توقع ہوتی ہے
@ Muhammad Raza
blogire said:
Bawa is such a harami ka pilla. I hate these type of people
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بھائی گالم گلوچ کیے بغیر بھی تو آپ اپنی نفرت کا اظہار کر سکتے ہیں
رضا بھائی. شکریہ. لگتا ہے انکو شاعِری سے لگاو نہیں ہے. ہا ہا ہا ہا
@ ZEE
cj is appreciating him “now” when he had refused and himself saying
I have paid “kaffara”
اگر کفارہ ادا کرکے پی سی او ججز چیف جسٹس کی شاباش کے حقدار ہوجاتے ہیں تو اسطرح کا کفارہ ادا کرنے کا ایک ایک موقع ان ججز کو بھی ملنا چاہئیے تھا جو اپنی نوکریوں سے ہاتھ دھو اسوقت گھروں میں بیٹھے ہیں
@blogire/posted-10.06pm
Re: Bawa and multiple ID Users
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The frustration of @blogire is understandable as I have already asked you (Bawa) twice yesterday under two different topics to stop putting-up very silly, loose and casual remarks such as…….’Bawa Ji, aap ka kia haal’………’Bawa Ji, aap kahan ho……..’Bawa ji, aap aajkal kidher ho………Bawa Ji, aaj kal Waasti Sahib nahin dikhai de rahe, etc etc.
I have also read here that, ” Bawa ji, Begum ka kia haal hai”.
One day you wrote just for the sake of putting up a silly comment……” mein tuo abhi haazri lagwane hazir hua hoon, comment mein programme dekh kar doon ga”………..Tell me who is waiting here to read your stupid and silly comments which are in UNREADABLE urdu script. Your script is very difficult to read here.
I have told you before that the Software here is not compatible to read Urdu ‘NASTALEEQ’ script. Because all our main Urdu Newspapers such as Jang etc are typed in Urdu NASTALEEQ and this can be downloaded from Urdu In-Page installation CD, but the this site of PK politics is not yet compatible to type-on.
Now have you got this in your HEAD, or shall I repeat again. Do not put up silly comments by using multiple ID’s.
This Forum is for serious discussions and we have got some very hard pressed issues in our country to discuss here…… STOP THIS NONSENSE……..STOP THIS NONSENCE NOW……….GET THIS IN YOUR HEAD.
Faiz Alam
hummm good comments going on here interesting !
1.CAN ANY ONE OF U TELL ME STORY OF CJ’s SON WHO WAS APPOINTED IN FIA????????????
2.CAN ANY ONE OF U TELL ME STORY OF PCO OATH TAKEN BY CURRENT CJ?
3.CAN ANY ONE OF U TELL ME HISTORY OF Muhammad Sharif, Chief Justice of the Lahore High Court AND Mr. Justice Mian Saqib Nisar HOW THEY STARTED
THEIR CAREER AND WHT TIME THEY WERE APPOINTED.
I BET EDUCATED PEOPLE EXIST HERE PLZ HELP ME FOR MY KNOWLEDGE.
THANKS
now it looks that this governament is reaching at its end(anjam),the way they are behaving looks very clear that they are not serious…they have some other goals and targets they have no interst in public affairs and public problems………….let see which way the wind blow……………………………..
@dilber
Lets assume that the Chief Justice and all other Judges have been involved in wrong doings……….Does it mean that we should allow Zardari and his tola to runaway with $122 million.
Zardari should really be measuring his white chader now………..and it will be the same white chader now in which he wrapped-up Murtaza Bhutto and Khalid Shahinshah.
Re: Bawa
I fully agree with the above comments of @blogire and Faiz Alam that this space must be used for serious discussion. Bawa must make a note of this.
@shakeelbajwa hummm so zardari is ur actual problem
bro i need few facts about my question if u don’t then it OK.
for zardari it must be 100 piyaz aur 100 joote
again irrelevent arguements……..
“everyone should have been given chance for kaffara”
point is that he is cj and running courts,he is not a “peer” and running darbar to give chance to everyone
and fact is that cj has done these appointments according to rules and regulations
if these were against the rules and regulation justice saqib nisar would be the first one challenging it in the courts and jumping in the media
but our so called intellectuals insist that they know better than these judges
rubbish
@dilber…….Re: Shakeel Bajwa
I think ShakeelBajwa has answered you question that even if these Judges are 101% corrupt and have been involved in any wrong doings whatsoever, it does not mean pardon for Zardari. This man Zardari is accountable for the looted money and this time he should not be allowed to leave the country.
I am also going to add that this time (Gen) Kakar formula will not be acceptable………which means only Zardari has to go, and after full and I mean FULL recovery of the money.
Mr 10% has gone mad,a man can be too mad like MR 10%,just incredible,how much madness needs to make the dicisions which he made during his presidency(he planted to reach on this post,even killed his wife),guys who support ZAR ,could have the same sickness of brain as he(ZAR) has, the court is doing as a europeon courts do,first time the court has strike the intrest of CORRUPTS,we have to begin the journy right now,otherwise we (AWAM)will be as the insects.now is a time for protect the JUDICIARY for our country. in this forum people are CHATING their personal matters or personal EGO(like ZAR).
Admin pls use this….
s/b
@Bawa
چیف جسٹس اپنی اجارہ داری قایم رکھنے کے لیے خواجہ شریف کو لاہور ہائی کورٹ میں رکھنا چاہتے ہیں کیونکہ انہیں جسٹس ثاقب نثار کی بجائے خواجہ
شریف پر زیادہ بھروسہ ہے
I totally disagree with you on this comment and am very concerned about your bi polar disorder and your flip flops about every subject. You like to live in the gray area and have a distorted view about the judicial“activism” , which in my view is a just and bold confrontation between the good and evil.
The question is are you with the good or evil.
Like medicine its not a toss between a viral infection and the bacterial infection, either way the safe bet is to prescribe antibiotic.
Your intelligence is not in question, you motives are. Could you clearly tell me that Zardari gang of criminals should be able to or allowed to shield their crimes by using some loop holes in the laws or the constitution? This criminal has unleashed the grave worshippers in the Pakistan and flexing his mussels of his criminal Mafia and the brain dead “Jiayalaas” and is willing to start an ethnic war in Sindh and Karachi and a civil war in allover Pakistan.
How dare you:) compare the Honorable CJ with the most dishonorable person in the history of Pakistan Asif Ali Madari, the criminally insane, sadistic, narcissistic, egotistic, undereducated, habitual criminal, habitual lire, mentally deranged, grave worshipper, kidnapper, murderer, traitor, money launderer, tax cheat and a man who steels from the poorest of poor and does not feel any shame, literally a human garbage, an insult to Pakistanis all around the world.
You are entitled to your opinion but at times your comments are not clear, and you make the most difficult and emotional issues murky and more confusing. Your use of Urdu language discourages a great majority to understand or even to read your comments on a English forum, which in my opinion is either your attempt to influence a targeted audience with your confusing and self serving comments. Write in English and let all the people who read this tread to get to know you.
Other than that you are a cool dude. I will agree with you that I myself am very opinionated and firm in my believes, but I look at the big picture and do not nitpick little points to discard a great movement of the last hope for Pakistan’s survival and getting Pakistan out of the hands of Family and ethnic Mafia groups via simply implementing the Laws of the land, already in the books.
We have to confront these Cancers one by one at a this late stage, it’s time for a major surgical procedure to cut these off to save the country.
Listen to great Imran Khan, he speaks the truth and explains these matters in very coherent and logical ways. I am not a easy person to follow people, but I will be honored to have Imran Khan as my leader.
14 February 2010 at 8:51 pm
@ faizalam
I have told you before that the Software here is not compatible to read Urdu ‘NASTALEEQ’ script. Because all our main Urdu Newspapers such as Jang etc are typed in Urdu NASTALEEQ and this can be downloaded from Urdu In-Page installation CD, but the this site of PK politics is not yet compatible to type-on.
Now have you got this in your HEAD, or shall I repeat again. Do not put up silly comments by using multiple ID’s
جناب آپکو اصل تکلیف اردو سے ہے یا مجھ سے؟ آپکو ایک ایسے شخص کی حمایت کرتے ہوائے شرم آنی چاہئیے جو فورم پر آ کر گالیاں بک رہا ہے. یہاں میرا واسطہ پہلے بھی بہت سے ایسے لوگوں سے پڑ چکا ہے جو میری اردو لکھائی کی وجہ سے گندی زبان استعمال کر چکے ہیں
@ shakeelbajwa
Bawa, I fully agree with the above comments of @blogire and Faiz Alam that this space must be used for serious discussion. Bawa must make a note of this.
باجواہ صاحب. کیا آپکو گندی زبان کرنے والوں کی حمایت زیب دیتی ہے؟ بجائے اس کے کہ آپ گندی زبان استعمال کرنے والوں کی حوصلہ شکنی کرتے الٹے آپ انکی حوصلہ افزائی کر رہے ہیں. افسوس صد افسوس
@Faiz Alam
pkp is a great forum for Paksitanis to meet, greet and discuss in dignifying whatsoever way they like however you certainly have no right to behave like a sick moronic headmaster to slap others wrists. GET THIS INTO YOUR HEAD.
@Blogire
You were pretty fast showing your nincompoop personality. Now who gona listen to your bablings? Sickos like you!!!
As far as principle of seniority is concerned it is a shame it has been put away by judiciary but then Chief Sahab have had enough with Zardari and his company of thugs and no doubt is making move to strengthen his bench. But still I dont see much happening as military janta would not like to see political havoc in the country when war on terror against Pakistan is in full swing.
ڈاکٹر شاہد مسعود صاحب کی خدمت میں ایک گزارش
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اس وقت ملک ایک نازک دور سے گزر رہا ہے – عوام کے اندر یکجہتی ، اتحاد اور محبت و اخوت پیدا کرنے میں آپ کا کردار نمایاں ہے – آئین اور قانون کی پاسداری کرنے کے لیئے آپ نے پڑی ہمت اور خلوص سے کام کیا -
ملک کے ادارے جب بر سر ِ پیکار ہوئے اور ایک خوفناک تصادم کا خطرہ پیدا ہو گیا تو آپ نے اپنے ایمان اور ضمیر کی روشنی میں مکمل طور پر غیر جانبدار رہتے ہوئے ان اداروں کے درمیان یگانگت پیدا کرنے کی
بھر پور کوشش کی – آپ نے ہمیشہ دلائل اور منطق کے حوالے سے بات کی ، کبھی بھی جذبات اور بغض وعناد کا مظاہرہ نہیں کیا – آپ نے اپنے ہر پروگرام میں ملک کے وسیع تر مفاد کو مدنظر رکھا اور اپنے ذاتی مفادات کو سچائی کے راستے میں حائل نہیں ہونے دیا – آپ نے جب بھی کسی قومی اہمیت کے حامل موضوع پر گفتگو کرنے کے لیئےپینل کا انتخاب کیا تو خصوصی طور پر اس بات کا اہتمام کیا کہ صرف ایک فریق کا پراپیگنڈہ نہ کیا جائے بلکہ تمام پارٹیوں کا نقطہءنظر عوام کے سامنے آجائے- کس کس پہلو سے آپ کی مثالی خدمات کا تذکرہ کیا جائے مختصر یہ ہے کہ مستقبل کا مورخ جب آج کی آزاد صحافت کے مجاہدوں کا تذکرہ کرے گا تو آپ کا نام سر ِ فہرست ہو گا -
آخر میں گزارش ہے کہ جب تک ملک میں سیاسی ، آئینی اور قانونی فضا صاف ستھری اور واضح نہیں ہوجاتی ، اس وقت تک آپ کے پروگرام کی افادیت معمول سے کہیں بڑھ کر ہوگی – ہر پروگرام کا ایک ایک لمحہ انتہائی قدروقیمت اور اہمیت کا حامل ہوگا – اس لیئےجب تک آصف علی زرداری کی حکومت کا تیا پانچہ نہیں ہو جاتا، ملک کا لوٹا ہوا پیسہ واپس نہیں آ جاتا اور کرپٹ سیاستدان انصاف کے کٹھرے تک نہیں پہنچتے ، آپ اپنے پروگراموں میں کسی دوسرے یا تیسرے درجے کے مہمان کو
مدعو نہ کریں بلکہ اس دوران صرف صف اول کے دانشوروں کو بلایا کریں تاکہ مطلوبہ نتائج جلد سے جلد
بر آمد ہو سکیں – آپ کو زیادہ سے زیادہ مارچ کی بیس تاریخ تک یہ پابندی کرنی ہو گی ، اس کے بعد ہر طرف سکھ ہی سکھ اور چین ہی چین ہوگا –
میری نظر میں مندرجہ ذیل نابغہءروزگار شخصیات یہ خمات بطریق ِ احسن سر انجام دے سکتے ہیں :
پروفیسر منور حسن
حمید گل
عمران خان
ہارون رشید اور صالح ظافر -
ہارون رشید اور صالح ظافر کے ساتھ بوقت ِ ضرورت آپ اپنی سیٹ تبدیل بھی کر سکتے ہیں -
خدا تعالی آپ کو اپنی رحمت اور فضلوں کے سائے میں رکھے – آمین
خیر اندیش
خالد واسطی
@Bawa Ji
It’s not your urdu script it’s your thoughts that are pinching our PTI/JI/PMLN fan club. They want to use every tool in arsenal Genral, Judge, Journalist to throw present gov out and get back in power through back door. I noticed you have bashed Zardari and co. zellions of time but that’s not enough. They don’t like your impartial commentary. For them “serious discusion” is to blast Zardari AND present Imran Khan or Nawaz Sharif as saviour. I salute you for your vision, consistency, impartiality, boldness and strong expression in lighter tone ….
Patey nahi raah toh chur jatey hein naley
Rukti hai mere tabeyut toh hota hai rawan aur
@ConcernedAmericanPak
This is what MULLAH MINDED PEOPLE can do. They will never discuss issue with logice, and they can never tolerate difference of opinion. They always want to listen from everybody what they think is right. They want to put their agenda by “FORCE”……
I agree with comments of BAWA and support him. Now what about me?
@ ConcernedAmericanPak
سلام بڑے بھائی جی. مجھے ہمیشہ سچ بولنے کی پاداش آپ سے ڈانٹ پڑتی ہے حالانکہ یہ سچ اکیلا میں ہی نہیں بول رہا. علی احمد کرد، جسٹس طارق، جسٹس فخرالدین ابراہیم غرض کس کس کا نام لوں جو یہ سچ بول رہے ہیں. مجھے صرف یہ بتا دیں کہ چیف صاحب کس سنہری اصول کے تحت جسٹس خواجہ شریف کی بجائے جسٹس ثاقب نثار کو سپریم کورٹ بھیجنا چاہتے ہیں اور یہ اصول ہے یا بے اصولی. اگر گستاخی نہ سمجھا جائے تو ایک بات کہنے کی جسارت کر رہا ہوں اور وہ یہ ہے کہ آپ نے عمران خان کے نقطۂ نظر کو ذہن میں بٹھا کر ذہن کو تالے لگا لیے ہیں اور آنکھیں اور کان بند کر لیے ہیں. آپ اپنے آدھے سچ کو ہی پورا سچ سمجھ بیٹھے ہیں اور پورے سچ تک پہنچنے کے لیے آپ باقی آدھا سچ سننا ہی نہیں چاہتے
@ time @ tmukhtar @Janjuaraja
بہت شکریہ. اس سے زیادہ لکھوں گا تو لوگ پھر گالی گلوچ پر اتر آئیں گے
I hope our nation doesnt have short memories and really have the sense that Imran Khan sahib was talking about.
Why cant these so called neutral anchors conduct a programme on what has happened in the country since 1970 (if not since 1947) and who has played what role. How many people came to roads when Musharraf sahib and his (s)elected assemblies were ruling. How many people came to raods when Zia ul Haq sahib ruled from 1977.
Since when has instigation become legal in Pakistan? People on roads and peaceful!!!. Since when the protests on roads have been peaceful.
Zardari should have realised that he is not capable to lead a party like PPP. What a mess we are in now.
Lets see who gets power when the lion comes to power.
@ ZEE
جب غیر مطلقہ باتیں کی جائیں گی تو دلایل بھی تو غیر مطلقہ ہی ہونگے. آپ نے اصل بات کو اتنا گھما پھرا دیا کہ اصل بات سے توجہ ہی ہٹ گئی. اصل سوال یہ تھا کہ چیف جسٹس افتخار چوہدری کس اصول کے تحت جسٹس خواجہ شریف کی جگہ جسٹس ثاقب نثار کو سپریم کورٹ بھیجنا چاہتے ہیں؟ آپ نے کہا کہ جسٹس نثار پی سی او جج ہیں اور ناقابل بھروسہ ہیں. انکے حوالے لاہور ہائی کورٹ نہیں کی جا سکتی کیونکہ وہ بہت چالاک ہیں اور دوبارہ دھوکہ دے سکتے ہیں. تو جناب جب میں کہتا ہوں کہ
چیف جسٹس اپنی اجارہ داری قایم رکھنے کے لیے خواجہ شریف کو لاہور ہائی کورٹ میں رکھنا چاہتے ہیں کیونکہ انہیں جسٹس ثاقب نثار کی بجائے خواجہ
شریف پر زیادہ بھروسہ ہے
تو اسمیں غلط کیا ہے؟ آپ نے مزید کہا ہے کہ اب حلف نہ اٹھا کر انہوں نے اپنا کفارہ ادا کر دیا ہے اور اب چیف جسٹس صاحب ان سے بہت خوش ہیں. چلیں اب بسم الله کریں اور انہیں لاہور ہائی کورٹ میں ہی رہنے دیں. اسطرح میرٹ اور سنیارٹی کے اصول پر بھی عمل ہو جائے گا اور جو بحران حکومت کی نا اہلی کی وجہ سے پیدا ہوا ہے اسکا کریڈٹ بھی چیف جسٹس افتخار چوہدری کو مل جائے گا
Its gr8 to see that people on this forum don’t letting some participants to use “Abusive ” language ! I am really happy that after along time & many request from my side …. a gr8 maturity has been seen on this forum !
I also request all my brothers & elders that plz! Also try not to put Biased Blames on any political party , politicians & public representative ! We have a right to criticize them but ON MERIT ! not just becoz we have some typical MIND SET !
Brothers !! we need DEMOCRACY in PAKISTAN … it is the only way to survive as a RESPECTABLE NATION in the world.
For the time being I cant comment on the present situation … its so complex … so I am here to readout all of your knowledgeable comments in order to know “KHALQ E KHUDA KYAA KEHTI HAY “.thanx & best wishes !!
anna.
@ anna
سلام چھوٹی بہن. حسب سابق آپ سے ہمارا وعدہ ہے کہ اس فورم کو صاف ستھرا رکھنے کی حتی المقدور کوشش کریں گے تاکہ ہماری بہبوں کو یہاں آکر اپنے خیالات کا اظہار کرنے میں کوئی دقت نہ ہو. بہت شکریہ
@ BAWA
thanx so much …………JAZAKALLAH
hope to have more political knowledge from all of you …
Gen. Aslam Beg, Hamid Gul and Asad Durani comes on TV every other day and challenge Judicary to trial them on cases that are pending for ages but our “independent” judicary’s prime concerns are swiss cases and desired appointments.
Bawa Gee, I respect the fact that you are trying to be fair and looking at the given situation with all the possibilities, the problem with that method is that the people who are professional criminals, who have learned the art of buying time and not paying for their crimes, use people like you who are on the fence and desperately looking for the medal of being on the both sided of the issue, and politically correct.
Your fan called me “MULLAH MINDED PEOPLE”, which is a strange observation from a person who is trying to defend a third person by labeling the 2nd about his opinion about the third. Could you describe the MULLAH’S MIND? Is it good or bad?, a blanket statement about all the MULLAH’S is not only childish but discriminatory language used by the West about the Religious Muslim’s, which I am not, believe me, one time my friend came to California and called all the Mosques and could not find me, all he had to do was to call the local bars, dance halls, he would have found me.
Bawa you are trying to use the PPPP shameless logic about the seniority, the constitution says the discretion of the CJ. My roommate and now one of my best friends since the Junior Collage, his father is a justice in the California Supreme court. My friend’s father was in poor health and wanted to retire, but he kept his position until Bush lost the election, because he did not want a republican governments nominating his replacement. Me, my x room mate and his dad are democrats. Evan the judges are part of the society and they also know more than you and I about the track record off BB and the Bhutto dynastical Mafia’s criminality.
Since I am not a Pakistani constitutional expert, neither are you, so both of us has to wait for the interpretation of the constitution by the supreme court, the parliament writes and passes the Laws and Supreme Court does the interpretation of the Laws for the legal system. Now since you are so fair minded person, you will say that the interpretation of the Judges can be described or believed to be the manipulation of the constitution by the sitting judges. Now you know that why, BB, Nawz Sharif’s family Mafia and Asaif Ali Madari, hasn’t be brought to justice, because they are criminally polished and have hired the best caliber Lawyers to use the benefit of the doubt and approval of the geniuses like yourself, who are so “fair” in their mind that they are willing to keep giving the criminals the benefit of doubt and keep criticizing the justice department for their laws, which can be challenged.
If after two years of lies, broken promises, bumbling on so many issues and at the end, just calling it a mistake or injustice, you have not figure out this criminal, this man, Asaif Ali Madari, is playing his old game of smoking in other peoples eyes and keep changing the finish line and never coming close to finessing any issue. He is more claver than he seems, he is criminally sharp mind who has been an expert of “legal masturbation” and lies to keep himself out of the jail and his loot in the banks.
I salute Imran Khan for his vision. Thanks my leader you really forsee all the events being a upright and straintforward leader. Now this nation should support him to get rid of these so called hypocrites. Lassi pee kar Sher Phir So jaye Ga.
system is safe and i could not see midterm elections or army in the near future.
Our memories are short but not that short:
1. In January 2000, Justice Iftikhar Chaudhry, then a serving judge on the Balochistan High Court (BHC), was one of the first judges to take the oath on the PCO. This allowed him to be elevated to the Supreme Court to fill one of the vacancies left by the 11 judges who had resigned in protest at taking this oath.
2. On May 13, 2000, Justice Iftikhar Chaudhry was one of the 12 Supreme Court judges who validated the military coup of Gen Pervez Musharraf. They ruled that the removal of the elected government of Nawaz Sharif was legal on the basis of the ‘doctrine of necessity’.
3. In June 2001, Justice Iftikhar Chaudhry was one of two judges who visited the President House to convince the then President Rafiq Tarrar to resign, and make way for Gen Pervez Musharraf to assume that office.
4. On April 13, 2005 in the ‘Judgment on 17th Amendment and President’s Uniform Case’, Justice Iftikhar Chaudhry was one of five Supreme Court judges who dismissed all petitions challenging President Musharraf’s consistitutional amendments. In a wide ranging judgment they declared that the Legal Framework Order (LFO) instituted by Gen Musharraf after his suspension of the Constitution, the 17th Amendment which gave this constitutional backing, and the two offices bill which allowed Musharraf to retain his military uniform whilst being President were all legal.
Pakistani lawyers and opposition parties will back the judiciary in a renewed confrontation between the cj and president zardari’s government over the appointment of judges. lawyers boycotted courts across the country today and hundreds of them gathered outside the SC building in Islamabad and shouted slogans against the government.
opposition or should i say friendly opposition leader nawaz said yesterday that zardari’s a “threat to democracy” and demanded the government reverse its decision to appoint judges against the advice of cj
The conflict with Chaudhry and twice former premier Sharif is weakening Zardari’s government as it faces economic turmoil and fights Taliban militants in its northwest. Chaudhry shot to fame when he was fired by former military ruler Pervez Musharraf in 2007.
Zardari is under pressure by opposition parties who want him to hand more of his powers to the prime minister, including the authority to dismiss the government. The PPP will meet in Islamabad today to discuss the crisis, their Priorities sure does not to provide food, health, cheap fuel and electricity, thier focus is totally out.
what a messed up situation..seriously
@ wbuttar said:
Imran Khan at this time is a ray of hope, he’s an educaed person and his vision is much better then any leader around, the only problem i see is that Imran does not have votes all over Pakistan, he has to go in coalition, and for that who do we have? PML N? ANP? MQM? you think haven’t we tried them all before? they all are corrupt and dishonest to Pakistan.
@ ias & wbuttar
is waqt behat option yeh hai kai cj ki sarbarahi mai non paerty elections karwai jain.tu he mutafaqa taur per aik taqatwar leader ko chuna ja sakta hai.woh jo bhi ho kamaskam koi faisala karatay hoay her member assembly aur hum awam ki rai ko samnay rakahay ga.kyun kai os ko pata ho ga kai in sab kai bina wo aik din bhi nahi chal pa a ga.
solution to all the problems we have today is dictatorship. dictator should be honest , loyal and a true Pakistani. we will progress and stand in the world. democracy is not our norm.
@ abbasazahar
i like the last line..very much true
UNFORTUNATELY SINCE INDEPENDENCE BECAUSE OF LACK OF DEVELOPMENT OF DEMOCRATIC INSTITUTIONS IN THE COUNTRY, DECISIONS ARE NOT MADE ON MERIT EVEN BY THE COURTS. WE HAVE MADE NO SYSTEMS, RATHER SYSTEMS ARE DAMAGED BROADLY. UNFORTUNATE, NO ONE SO FAR HAS CREATED THE SPIRIT OF PARTIOSIM AMONG THE PUBLIC. NO ONE LOVES PAKISTAN. EVERY ONE HAS GOT ITS SELF INTEREST AND SHAKES HAND WITH POLITICAL RIVALS FOR ITS OWN BENEFITS. POOR GOVERNANCE, LACK OF PROFESSIONAL AND DEDICATION LEADERSHIP HAS LED THE COUNTRY INTO DARKNESS.PLZ THINK ABOUT THE NEXT GENERATION, LOOK FORWARD, SINK OUR ALL DIFFERENCES, LOOK AT THE DEVELOPED COUNTRIES, AND IF WE WILL NOT DO THIS, COMING GENERATIONS INCLUDING OUR CHILDERN WILL NOT FORGIVE US.
I simply think that Pakistan is on the verge of destruction,facing too many problems at this time,with poor and corrupt leadership.Real democracy is invisible
@bawa
@maxpak
@janjuaraja
@champion11
answer my one question Is it not constituionally and legally Cheif justice of pakistan s rite to appoint the judges of high court and supreme court…according to law he only practicing his duty…
do u pple think u know more about law then Chief Justice of Supreme court….
no sir u dont…other wise u would be on his place n we would be writting comment here about u…
supreme court is only practicing its lawful rites n gov is trying to stop them…this is what we common pakistani think….
@Pearl
President can appoint judges but only with the consultation of Chief Justice of Supreme Court but the consultation becomes controversial here when PPP says they had asked CJ by writing a letter which according to some law experts is not a proper and progessive way of consulting on any legal matter…CJ did the right thing on right time by suspending the appointments otherwise Zardari would again poke his nose in matters where he is not capable enough to take any decision(considering him a jack of all trades)….
Funnier still was hearing Sharif describe Zardari as the greatest threat to democracy for trying to ‘protect his corruption.’ Now, anyone politically conscious during Mian Sahib’s second stint as prime minister (1997-99) would find this a rather odd statement coming from a man who once was a darling of the strategically placed remnants of his mentor, Ziaul Haq.
cheap bas***ds!
haha..look who’s talking, Sharif is the same man who actually wanted to make an amendment in the constitution just so he could be crowned as ‘Ameerul Mominin’ (leader of the faithful); a man who (quite like the evil Zardari) is usually perceived to be on top of the corruption food chain; a man who is on record confessing that his government constructed a number of false cases against Zardari and Benazir; a man whose party runs Punjab, a province today in the clutches of some of the worst economic disasters and from where, every now and then, cases of blatant incompetence and fraud emerge, usually involving Mian Sahib’s own party men (and some women).
what truly makes a mess of things is when non-lawyers start pontificating on what the law is and how voluminous case law in complicated constitutional matters is to be interpreted.
There is, according to some lawyers and mostly non-lawyers, a clash between the judiciary and the executive and the cause is the executive’s wilful disobedience. The case made is simple: the Supreme Court has pronounced its judgment in the NRO case and Chief Justice Iftikhar Chaudhry has made some recommendations for judicial appointments; on both counts, the government/President Zardari has refused to accept the court’s directives and therefore the government/President Zardari is in violation of the law and is responsible for undermining the judiciary.
Simple. Or simplistic?
Things between Zardari and CJ Iftikhar are not hunky-dory and matters could yet spiral out of control. But what the lawyers and pundits frothing at the mouth need to understand is this: while the law and politics do overlap, they are not interchangeable. What ought to be politically isn’t the same thing as what is legally.
@saudzafar & shahzadwarich
The tone of your comments suggest that you are using multiple ID’s.
I agree that as far as democracy is concerned the record of Nawaz Sharif is not great and he too has millions of Dollars abroad, then it is the duty of Zardari, Babar Awan, Farooq Naik and Aitezaz Hassan to file a case against Nawaz Sharif for recoveries IF THEY GOT ANY SOLID EVIDENCE. But one thing is sure that there is solid evidence against Zardari in Swiss Courts and Zardari has to bring back the money.
And when we mention names of Imran Khan and JI, you poeple start getting stomach pains.
So we can only choose from the players who are available in the ring. You SaudZafar/Shahzadwarich) are not contesting the election, and also looking at your comments you do not have any political wisdom, so we have to choose between Nawaz Sharif and Zardari and we all know that Nawaz Sharif is a lesser evil than Zardari. And if you have some second thoughts about Zardari, then you can choose anyone from Babar Awan, Fauzia Wahab, Farooq Naik, Faisal Raza Abidi, Nazir Naji, Najam Sethi etc……….you see you got plenty to choose from.
As far as Gen Zia is concerned we all are very very very grateful to him for getting rid of Bhutto for us. In case you were very young in 1973, when Bhutto killed Khwaja Rafique, Dr Nazir Ahmad (of D.G.Khan), Maulana Shamsuddin, Nawab Mohd Khan etc. You know Ahmad Raza Qasuri is still alive and He can tell you that in the FIR he gave the name of Bhutto as the killer. Also Masood Mahmood too gave the evidence in the court that he shot Nawab Mohd Khan with the soldiers of FSF.
And you know Zardari killed Murtaza Bhutto, Khalid Shahinshah, and Rehman Baluch (Dacait). Rehman Baluch was close associate of Zardari and he was not decait……and you can confirm this from anyone in Lyari. Zardari should be measuring his white coffin now……….because the case of Murtaza Bhutto was dropped under the deal of NRO, and very correctly Benazir is now called ‘BB Shaheed NRO Wali’.
Bhutto was correctly hanged by Gen Zia, I wish he had sorted out the whole Bhutto family on one go. We now need another Gen Zia. You also know that son of Gen Zia (Ejaz ul Haque etc) did not behave like Murtaza Bhutto and Shahnawaz Bhutto.
May Allah bless the soul of Gen Zia.
@Rehman Shahid
Ver simple…….and very well explained.
Please keep putting up you comments here so that every one can understand this legal jargon.
Thanks.
(And Rehman Sahib, for God sake don’t put up silly comments like…..’Bawa Ji, kia haal hai’………Bawa ji kidher ho’……….Bawa ji, Begum ka kia haal hai….)
SALAM TO ALL
@ wassemjafree
yes you are right, i now start thinking that i might be using 2 ID’s to express my self. I am pretty much sure what i think about the situation and thats exactly what i have expressed.
Judges restoration not yet endorsed by Parliament: PM
Updated at: 2100 PST, Monday, February 15, 2010
ISLAMABAD: Prime Minister Yusuf Raza Gilani Monday said the Parliament has not yet granted approval to the judges’ restoration effected through an executive order and that he will not have any objection if the Parliament grants power of judges’ appointment to the Chief Justice of Pakistan.
Addressing the National Assembly here, the Prime Minister said the government will abide by the court orders but it must be told as to who will make the interpretation.
Reacting to the earlier address by the opposition leader Chaudhry Nisar, the Premier said his relations with the judiciary are not bad and that “any interpretation by the judiciary will be welcomed.”
He said the government wants better relations with the judiciary and urged it to find a solution of the current issue. “I myself made the appointment of Justice Khwaja Sharif, so how can I be against him?” he asked.
http://www.thenews.com.pk/updates.asp?id=98767
we talk about economy, Pakistan’s key stock index fell the most in over three weeks after President Zardari and Chief Justice Iftikhar Chaudhry clashed over the appointment of judges.
Here we go …. down again
They All Are Chips Of The Same Block…
looking at all these comments, it again proves this point to me that instead of listening to sincere personalities and well educated, most of the people have given commments without much knowledge of the issues. dont be so silly. you ahve to listen to others esp when you dont know the situation at all.
I hope that good people win and they save pakistan from these loooters esp zardaree. The only persons who have objected to chief justice are only remains of Musharaf and co. They still cant swallow how this truthful and honorable chief justice madehim run away with the help of God Almighty. and INshaAllah he will be able to clear pakistan from these evil minds like zardaree and co.
@ admin
Please post the new issue “Judges restoration not yet endorsed by Parliament: PM ”
at the main page.
Thanks
@wassemjafree
jafree sahib aap bhi tu multiple id istemaal kertay hain
ha na
Parahoo
Thanks for sharing your view point and it does bring to light few other angles to the situation
a) so after zardari and co is kicked out (which seems to be in line with desire of many) what will happen. Afterall zardari and co have been in rule for 2+ years and our history is 63 years.
b) I thought the whole struggle of thejudiciary was to protect the law and constitution. Are you saying that this whole struggle is about get zardari and co.
c) How long Musharaff sahib had the luxury to rule and how was he able to rule for that long. All the current polituical parties and other players have been there in one form (in the assemblies) or other for the whole tenure of Musharraf sahib (PPP, PMLQ, MMA (JI&JUI), PTI, PMLN, ANP, MQM and the list continues)
@mushtaq ahmed
This is bad news that the stock market has fallen by many points, after the clash between Judiciary and Zardari………….who is at fault???
Mr Mushtaq you sound like a Zardari lover to me. Please try make a realistic assessment of the situation.
I wont support the language a few members used for BAWA, but I agree with there concern. Bawa is trying to be Pir PAGARA of this forum, he tries his LUCH everywhere. In a post he is comparing himself with KUrd and bla bla like they all are Prophets. Its very clear CJ has right to recommend any judge among a few available in senior lot for SC, so then y we are suspecting his act with dirty act of Zaradri who tried to implement his will instead of simply putting down CJ recommendations and asking him for few more names to consider.
Bawa ji dont be pushy, be a member of this forum not Pagaro
@Allah ka Banda
چپکے سے کہہ جاتے ہیں ہم تو اپنے دل کی بات
جو چاہے اب آپکا حسن کرشمہ ساز کرے
@ConcernedAmericanPak
The words used by you for others opinion like “shameless logic…..bipolar disorder……” many more, just don’t want to repeat them here….use of these words define “Mullah Minded People”………..These people will never accept that they could be wrong at any moment….and these people will always love to “impose” their views on others……..
I have not seen except few people writing in their comments, “what I think……in my opinion….this may be right…I may be wrong, but this is what I think”…….NO…..they always think that they are right……….and most of MMP are supporters of right wing all over the world…..like they will support Gen. Zia….JI…..IK and Nawaz Sharif……Few of the supporters of NS are liberals also….they respect difference of opinion……but most of these MMP want to listen that they are “RIGHT” on every issue.
@ Janjuaraja
جنجوعہ صاحب. بڑے بھائی جو بھی الفاظ استعمال کریں انکا احترام ہم پر لازم ہے
Sher Snake ke shekar ke lye nikla hai. Good luck to Nawaz Shareef. Zardari is lowest of the lowest he is such a dirty person that he will do anything to save himself. I can only hope that NS knows what he is dealing with.
جنجوعہ صاحب. بڑے بھائی جو بھی الفاظ استعمال کریں انکا احترام ہم پر لازم ہے
@Bawa , Thank you for being kind and forgiving, I do have a bad habit of getting verbally abusive, while trying to make my point. I apologize for that, but most of my words have a subliminal massages , which in a morbid way reflects my dislike about the comments of the person, not necessary the person.
@ Janjuaraja
I duly respect your opinion, but some people deserve my analogies and some may be are too harsh for the person and wrong. I am from Lahore, and our figure of speech has normally more profanity than the rest of the Pakistani people.
@hypocrite
. obviously judiciary has to start from somewhere and there is no doubt the current situation in which paksitan is is very critical and we have to address not only quickly but effectively. this is the beginning of the process and InshaAllah will continue until all the corrupt politicians are rectified and done justice with.It is always a common reaction from the PPP supporters as well as supporters of other corrupt parties
all stupids who have been barking since yesterday against cj’s decision and have been pretending themselves as law experts here should
listen to fakhar-ud-din g ibrahim in last minutes of today’s capital talk
he said
“law laid down by supreme court is,in appointments of judges,seniority is not relevant
and we are bound by that law unless supreme court varies that earlier view”
all jokers who have been jumping since yesterday should feel some shame now
faizalam said:
@blogire/posted-10.06pm
Re: Bawa and multiple ID Users
=====================
The frustration of @blogire is understandable as I have already asked you (Bawa) twice yesterday under two different topics to stop putting-up very silly, loose and casual remarks such as…….’Bawa Ji, aap ka kia haal’………’Bawa Ji, aap kahan ho……..’Bawa ji, aap aajkal kidher ho………Bawa Ji, aaj kal Waasti Sahib nahin dikhai de rahe, etc etc.
I have also read here that, ” Bawa ji, Begum ka kia haal hai”.
One day you wrote just for the sake of putting up a silly comment……” mein tuo abhi haazri lagwane hazir hua hoon, comment mein programme dekh kar doon ga”………..Tell me who is waiting here to read your stupid and silly comments which are in UNREADABLE urdu script. Your script is very difficult to read here.
@ faizalam:
محترم ,,,آپ كو اردو نہیں پڑھنی یہ آپ كا حق ہے مگر پرسنل ہونے كی آپ كو اجازت نہیں ہے میں كسی اور كا گواہ نہیں مگر لعنت بہجتا ہوں ایك سے زیادہ آئی ڈیز استمعال كرنے والوے پر بہت شكریہ
@ maxpk
faizalam:
محترم ,,,آپ كو اردو نہیں پڑھنی یہ آپ كا حق ہے مگر پرسنل ہونے كی آپ كو اجازت نہیں ہے میں كسی اور كا گواہ نہیں مگر لعنت بہجتا ہوں ایك سے زیادہ آئی ڈیز استمعال كرنے والوے پر بہت شكریہ
…………………………………………………………………………………………………………………….
السلام و علیکم = استاد محترم. یہ وہی پرانے لوگ ہیں جو ایک دفعہ پہلے بھی اردو لکھنے کی وجہ سے ہم سے الجھ چکے ہیں. اسوقت بھی یہ ہمیں مختلف آئی ڈیز استعمال کرنے کا کہہ رہے تھے بعد میں خود انکو مختلف آئی ڈیز استعمال کرنے پر یہاں سے نکال دیا گیا تھا. آپ انکو چھوڑیں. انکا یہی کام ہے
@ Allah ka Banda
bhai .. Bawa ki batain kaafi mazoon hoti hain… kai dafa un ki batain merey khilaat se mutasadim hoti hian … lekin jaisa k aik aur dost ne pehjlay likha ha .. un ki baton ki achi baat unbiasness hoti ha … jo kem ez kem merey me nai ha … is liye mujhay woh pasand hain … lekin chon keh woh gher janibdaar hain is liye woh aksar ziada ter logon ko naraz ker detey hain kiun k un k her blog me takreeben sabhi regrray ja rahay hotay hian …
doosri baat yeh ha k yahan per mojood aksar logon ki siasi baseerat to kahir kia honi ha
personal meturity aur education level ka hi haal .. kia kehnay ha …
log zara si baat mushilbnat ko nahi samaj paatay .. aur siasat per sair laaa hasil bahes ker jatay hain ….
aaap ki terah main bhi CJ ka haami hon .. . aur aap merey pichlay blogs perh saktay hain woh isi bat ki gawahi bhi dain ge … lekin agar thori dair k liye apni janb daari ko aik taraf rekh dia jaye … tu merey bhai masla yeh ha keh … CJ ka jo yeh faisala ha na is ko ghalat ya sahi kehna bohut mushkil ha .. kiun keh un k pas dono choices thin .. rules and regulation k hisab se he had choice … aik tu tha seedha rasta .. woh tu justice shareef ki promotion thi … to SC … lekin us me masla yeh tha k yeh Justice shareef k liye aur justice nisar dono k liye bura hota …
ziada bura tu justice nisar k liye hota kiunk woh abhi kafi young hain .. aur agar woh LHC k cheif ho jatay tu un ka sc me future utna bright na rehta… jutice shareef k liey bhi 3 maheenay SC me reh ker koi khas faida na hota
so instead of going for normal way and promoting on the bases of seniority he went for the most optimal solution .. which was neither any benificient to himself nor was harmful for govt.. though such yahi ha keh… it was not according to the straight forward rules … was a bit ghumaoo… but again was a good decision for in the benifit of justice nisar and shareef …
lekin govt. ko pata nahi kia masla hua ha why have they goneso far against it ..it was all an ediotic way to act .. but wait … in fact it was not …
jo log kehtay hain k yeh zardari ka khudkesh hamla ha sahi kehtay hain …
by doing this he wants to get ou in a way that he can calaim to be a mazloom insead of mulzim…
us ko pata ha keh … ji ka jana theher gaya ha suboh gaya k sham gaya … tu why not to go ina way keh apnay dushmano (judiciary and justice) ka ziada se ziada nuqsan ker dia jaye aur … apnay liye ziada se ziada faida aur hamderdian hasil ker li jayen ..
is scenario main mera khial ha keh CJ agar justice shareef ko SC me le aaty tu at least zardari is se undue faida na utha pata ….
please dont take things so personal. nobody is forcing anybody to read comments and it is everybody’s right to write whatever he wants. generally my advice is to avoid useless comments but at the same time to have tolerance for others esp foe harmless comments etc. I hope this helps you to have more tolerance for each other.
@ wassemjafree said:
” We now need another Gen Zia. ”
ohhhhhhhhh ! plzzzzzz hold on sir !! my mother told me never say BAD THINGS as wishes as some time the angels carry that WISH to Allah ……….. & God forbid if this horrible wish of yours fulfilled … what would happen ?? another RULE of UNRULED , another Afghan Jihad , incoming Kalashans, TT s & more criminals ammunitions , More MQMs ,more Punjabi Pakhtoons Itehads , more Sipah sahabas & Lasker e Jahangwis, more Nifaz e fiqa Jaferiyya , more DRUGS , more political Killings , more hatred & more Publilc Hangings, more lashes to innocents , more evil doers getting away with heroin smuggling & more DISHONOR /DISRESPECT for my being ( the WOMEN of PAKISTAN)……….. NO WAY !! NO to all kinds of ZIAS , MUSHARRAFS & ………… KIYANIS ……….. NO !! a BIG NO to any kind of ARMY RULE …………… I have given my VOTE & I will never ALLOW any of ” MY PAID SERVANTS ” to make an EXCUSE & TOPPLE the CIVIL setup … whatever inefficient or corrupt we have … we INSHAALLAH FIX IT ……… but PUBLIC SERVANTS in Uniforms MUST respect my right of VOTE ….. & thats all … so ! all you my brothers !! JUST FORGET ABOUT another ZIA or Mush or Kiyani or Yehayeha or whatever !!!
@ anna
aaap samjhi nahi ……. yess we need another zia .. kiun k abhi us ka mission mukamal nahi hua .. pakistanabhi abhi qaim ha aik aur aye ga tu hi pakistan khatam ho ga na
issi mauqay per main erz kerta hon k
in sab ka.. aur poori qaum ka durr fitte munh …
@ mujtaba- ali
No !! Our NATION is the best nation of the world after the Palestinians ! we are Struggling for our survival & InshaAllah we will be SUCCESSFUL ..I have no doubts !!
&
have my words brother! Durr…. …*** whatever unkaa jo humaray pyaray watan ko khatam kerna chatay ” thay ” ya chahtay hain !!!
@ anna
ji main bhi unhi ko keh raha hon durr fitte munh .. lekin msala yeh ha k un me do terah k log hain aik jo intentioanlly aisa ker rahay hain aur doosray woh jo unintentionally aisa kerna chah rahay hain …
rahi baat nation ki tu .. janab .. m sorry i cant agree with u .. please… duniya ka bal keh qainaat ka asool ha .. jaisi rooh waisay frishtay .. jaisa munh waisi chappairr …. jis qaum ka sadar Asif Ali Zardari ho … us qaum ki auqat kia ho gi yeh ap ko samajhna chahiye … nahi samjhain ge tu khair .. koi masla nahi yahan bohut se naa samajh already mojood hain …
sorry .. main is Nation ko great to kia nation hi nahi samjhta …
@ anna
Our NATION is the best nation of the world
اسمیں کوئی شک نہیں کہ ہم ایک بہترین اور زندہ قوم ہیں. ہمیں صرف ایک اور قائد اعظم کی تلاش ہے جو ہماری بھٹکی ہوئی ناؤ کو طوفانوں سے نکال کر کنارے تک لے جائے
aur han at the moment we are not winning the war of our survival .. whole government machine is working to save one man … none is fighting for the durvival of ur nation or country … .. aap k yahan aa ker keh dainey se mujhay hola zaroor hota agar mujhay yeh sab nazar na aaa raha hota …
@mujtaba-ali
main is Nation ko great to kia nation hi nahi samjhta …
مجتبیٰ بھائی. مایوسی گناہ ہے. اس قوم پر جب بھی کبھی برا وقت آیا یا کوئی مصیبت آئی تو یہ قوم ایک مثالی قوم بن گئی. اندیاد سے جنگوں میں اور حالیہ زلزلے میں اس قوم نے جس جذبے کا مظاہرہ کیا اس نے دنیا کو حیران کر دیا. مجھے یاد ہے جب نواز شریف نے قرض اتارو ملک سنوارو کا نارہ لگایا تو لوگوں نے اپنی پوری پوری تنخواہیں اور عورتوں نے اپنے زیور تک اسمیں جمع کروا دیے
yahan kaun si misal di ja sakti ha bawa bhai …
mujhay tu aik hi misal nazar aa rahi ha
jaisa munh waisi chapairr ….
@ mujtaba-ali
نہیں ہے نا امید اقبال اپنی کشت ویران سے
ذرا نم ہو تو یہ مٹی بہت زرخیز ہے ساقی
برادران. شب بخیر. انشااللہ صبح ملاقات ہوگی
@ Bawa
kaun si mitti
punjab ki sindh ki sarhad ki ya blochistan ki
Paksitan ki?
wo kia hota ha … is there any Pakistnai here …
i speak loud .. i am asking every one is there any Pakistnai here …
nai
koi isndhi ha koi blochi ha koi pthan ha koi punjabi ha koi sariki ha koi kashmiri ha koi jiyala ha koi leegiya ha..
pakistani tu ah koi nahi tu mitti kaun si?
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