Ms. Sameena Khawar stirred interesting debate in Punjab Assembly. My point of view is simple one man one woman marriage. I don’t belive in polygamy.
But if it is allowed I am just curious why only man is allowed to keep multiple wives, why woman can not keep multiple husbands?
When I asked this question to molvi sahib back in days his brief explanation was how would you know who is the father of the kid. Well DNA tests these days can sort this out beyond doubt. As far as financial affordability of multiple spouses is concerned I think there ‘d be few women, like men, who ‘d be able to manage that.
I completely agree with you. Aj kal bohat kam log 2 aurton main insaaf kar saktay hain and what if a woman wants to marry another man and seek divorce from her first husband, sari society us k peechay par jati hai.
Kabhi koi kisi aurat k dil say bhi poochay us per kia guzarti hai jab uska husband doosri shadi karta hai! This reflects the pre-Islamic mindset of treating women as commodities!
Afsos itni shad-0-mad say muslim men namaz aur rozay ki baat ko advocate nahi kartay jitnay zor-o-shor say 4 shadiyon ki baat ko.
I agree with Farzana Bari when she says that why can’t an unmarried man marry a widow or physically impaired woman? us ko sautan banana kiyun zaroori hai? takay wo baychari saari umar apnay ooper sautan ka label laga kar ghoomay, uska susraal usay hikaarat ki nazar say dekhay, pehli biwi aur bachay usay bad dua dain aur wo baychari aik mushkil say nikal ker doosri mushkil main phans jaey!
If somebody ask me whether you will do 2nd marriage, my answer is no. However one point has not been clarified that how the unmarried female (who don’t find single men) will fulfil their sexual requirement?
more than one marriage should not be imposed, but it should be allowed for the people so that the gaps are fulfilled.
Be Justified, female hote huay app loog female ki dushman hain, you know why islam allow more than one marriage for a man and for your kind information female is also allowed more than one marriage but not at a time. Female aik waqt men sirf aik husband kay sath hi reh sakti hain.
app donon se guzarish hay kay pehle islam aur society ka mutala kar lain phir comments pass karain.
Now i pay my tribute to miss sameena khawar b/c atleast is door men aise bold baat kehna bhi kisi jahad se kamm nahi hay,
17% female hamari society men aisi hain jo umarried hain due to over age divorse or widowed u know its about 1,3000,000. un aurtoon ka kya bane ga suppose app ki apni sister, daughter kisi waja se shadi na ho sake ya phir talaq ho jaiye ya widowed aisi aurtoon ka kya hoga kya unhain society kay rehm-o-karam pe choor diya jaye?
for Time! imam abu hanifa kay time pe ye masla khawateen ney pocha tha kay why female were not allowed to get more than one marriage at a time then his daughter gave the answer to this question that it is not possible to differentiate that to whome the child belongs. DNA test haha, jis mulk men logon ko rotti moyaser nahi wahan pe app DNA test ki baat kar rahe hoo shayad khalayee makhlooq hoo? by the way DNA test jahan pe hota hay wahan aurat kay sath kya kuch nahi hota i m in uk yehan pe only 1 shadi by law allow hay male ko but a male can make relation as many female as he wanst koye restriction nahi hay. and most of the male do it kya earstern women dosri shadi kay bajaye apne husband ka aisa raltion bardasht kar sakti hain. Second DNA test ajj ki invension hay ajj se 50 years pehle kya app ka jawab bhi yehi hota? jo cheze har time kay liye yaksan nahi ho then it is wrong aur ye shaitani answer hay. jo app ka dimagh men aya hay.
Insaff yes ye bohat aham lafz hay hamari khawateen ko dosri shadi kay namm pe hi insaf yad ata hay. afsoos sad afsoos. Jis mulk men chief justice ko insaf kay liye dhake khane perte hain wahan insaf ki baat…. khair
madam insaf agar dekha jaye na tou aik mother bhi apne 2 bachoon men insaf nahi kar sakti phir ye lafz sirf dosri shadi ya mardoon ko bola jata hay.
Insaf nahi adal ho na chahiye aur mard adal kar sakta hay b/c mard jazbati nahi hota as compare to aurat lihaza mard kay ander Allah tala ney ye quality rakhi hay kay wo adal kar sake u know tamam courts men key position male ki hay as a judge and also qazi bhi male hi hote the. Baqi rahi baat mutmain karne ko u know aurat kabhi mutmain nahi ho sakti ye us ki fitrat hay, aur sotan app aise use kar rahin hain kay jaise koye gali ho.
plz pehle apni society pe nazar dalain phir islam ko read karain then jazbati soch kay ilawa koye baat karain.
agar koye valid question ho then ask i will answer adnanarham@yahoo.com
Hadees ka mafhoof hay Aik Daffa aik sahabi Hazrat Muhammad Sala-o-alai wasalam
kay pass aye and say Allah kay Rasool Sala-o-alai wasalam meri aik B.V hay aur bache hain men bohat tangdast hoon mera rozgar nahi hay men kya karoon. Nabi kareem Sala-o-alai wasalam ney usay kaha kay tum nikkah kar loo. Wo sahabi chale gaye then kuch arse baad phir atey hain and say Allah kay Rasool Sala-o-alai wasalam men tang dast hoon mere halat kharab hain Nabi kareem Sala-o-alai wasalam ney usay kaha kay tum nikkah kar loo then he go back and he do it means third shadi phir kuch arse baad Hazrat Muhammad Sala-o-alai wasalam se un sahabi ki mulaqat hoti hay then Hazrat App Sala-o-alai wasalam
us se pochte hain tumhara kya hall hay he say men abb bohat khoosh hall hoon, he says mene App Sala-o-alai wasalam kay kehne kay mutabiq third marriage kar li meri tesri b.v bohat samajh dar thi us ney ghar men akar harmi kharab halat ki waja dekhi aur us nay mujhe mashora diya kay hamain kis tarha se in halat se nikalna chahiye then hum sab means meri baqi 2 bevian aur bache sab mill kar ghar men hi aik business start kiya meri b.v aur bache chezain banate aur men market men sell karta is tarha bohat jald hi mere halat ache ho gaye aur ajj men khoosh hall hoon.
Aik sahabi Hazrat Muhammad Sala-o-alai wasalam kay pass aye he says men shadi karna chahta hoon but mere pass kuch nahi hay Hazrat Muhammad Sala-o-alai wasalam ney poch koye cheze ho he says ye metal ki ring hay Hazrat Muhammad Sala-o-alai wasalam ney kaha yehi kafi hay mehar kay liye tum nikkah kar loo. then he do nikkah
sabaq ye hay kay islam ney nikkah ko asan banaya hay aur hamari society ney nikkha ko mushkill aur zinna ko asan kar diya hay aik normal shadi men expense jo hota hay wo normaly 5 to 7 lack hay from one side. I discuss about in city areas like karachi lahore etc.
shadi kay badd larki aur larke kay ghar wale qaraz dar ho jate hain b/c society ko mun dikhane kay chakar men aur society ki rasam pori karne kay liye wo aisa karte hain.
like shadi men jaheez lazmi dena hay jewellery wo bhi gold ki lazmi deni hay movie , shadi hall kay expense. if some one calculate then hamare han ghareeb ghar ki 70% bachion ki shadi possible nahi hay.
Meri guzarish hay Tamam afrad se shadi ki asan karain specially male se kay he should take a bold step.
Jaheez ka inkar kar dain kay shart hi yehi hay kay jaheez nahi lain gain, Sedhe tareqe se nikkah karain masjid men ya ghar pe and then Larki ko rukhsat kara lain means koye barrat ka chakar movie xyz na karain . then valima sunnat hay lihaza apni taufeeq kay mutabiq valima ka dinner dain thats all. shadi jitni sada aur asan hogi future men rishte utne hi mazboot hongain; ye kehna kay jaheez ki waja se susral men izzat nahi ho gi ye hamari society ki soch hay jo is talk show men bhi nazar ati hay but i say step lena mard ka kamm hay aur aurat ko support karna hoga chahe wo mann ho behan ho ya jis se mard ki shadi ho rahi ho. All should think.
Education give us thinking so should think and implement.
How did you assume I am female? I am not but that doesn’t matter. Let’s get back to original argument.
Just to clarify, we are not discussing 2nd or 3rd marriage after divorce or death of partner here. The thing that is being discussed here is polygamy and mongamy.
Polygamy: The condition or practice of having more than one spouse at one time.
Monogamy: The practice or condition of having a single sexual partner during a period of time.
I understand Islam allows polygamy to males under cretain circumstances and with some restraints. I am not convinced. I am only for monogamy single sexual partner at a given time.
All I said if polygamy is allowed, that I am ceratinly against in any form and shape, then why is it only allowed to males why not to females who can financially afford and have the ability and resources to declare the father of their kids beyond doubt through DNA tests.
Your argument that 50 years ago DNA tests were not available. Well then lets Ijtihad. I am not sure why this Mufti Sahib closed the Ijtihad chapter on this issue? Islam is suppose to offer solutions universally all the time. That is not possible w/o ijtehad in ever evolving world.
I see the point people are trying to make….I myself found the concept of multiple marriage in Islam, always awkward….However once I read about it in the Quran, thinks became much more clear……
For example, where it says that men can marry up to 4 women, at the same time it conditions this to the strict equal treatment of wives……Now, ‘equal treatment’ is hardly possible if a man has a mature old wife and a yound one…..
Thus, since most men are in capable of this, more than one marriage is not an easy task to carry out….Secondly, the reason men are allowed multiple marriage and women ain’t is simply due to the difference in biology. Men do not get pregnant where as women do.
Therefore, it is against ‘nature’ for women to have multiple husbands, because that simply would not work…….Hope this clears some misconceptions….
Just to clarify, we are not discussing 2nd or 3rd marriage after divorce or death of partner here. The thing that is being discussed here is polygamy and mongamy.
In reply of your said comments i want to recall that the whole discussion and dispute were start due to this fact that 17% women are those who are unmarried due to these said reasons either divorced or widowed or over aged or can’t afford Dwerry or Even expense of marriage.
Now polygamy i attached following link first read it i paste some of them over here
7. World female population is more than male population In the USA, women outnumber men by 7.8 million. New York alone has one million more females as compared to the number of males, and of the male population of New York one-third are gays i.e sodomites. The USA as a whole has more than twenty-five million gays. This means that these people do not wish to marry women. Great Britain has four million more females as compared to males. Germany has five million more females as compared to males. Russia has nine million more females than males. God alone knows how many million more females there are in the whole world as compared to males.
8. Restricting each and every man to have only one wife is not practical Even if every man got married to one woman, there would still be more than thirty million more females in USA who would not be able to get husbands (considering that America has twenty five million gays). There would be more than four million females in Great Britain 5 million females in Germany and nine million females in Russia alone who would not be able to find a husband.
Yes i do agree ijtehad for every women should say her husband to do a second marriage for the sake of such society where women are alone
It is not for that women is week or can’t afford but may women can afford their life but a single or lone women can easily damage the society than a married one.
I am in uk over here unmarried women are countless so there exist such time of thing which you can’t bear in our Eastern society.
Be realistic and adopt those things which is suitable for your own culture and society.
As far as your point that ijtihad to allow women to get more than one marriage is unrealistic ijtihad exist only where it requred and necessary for the society there is no way or not any solution for the problem exist.
Now if a women is not satisfied with her husband then islam give the way to take divorse and then she might marry to any other person if another person wants to marry her as you say she can afford due to her wealth (only few womens exist in this world who have such intensions).
For man islam does not say that give divorse and get second or third wife because islam is Deen-a-Fitrat
Allah knows better his creature than anyone else. So, your point of ijtihad at this issue is absolutely wrong and unjustified.
If you kindly observe and read materials regarding physical requirement of a male and female. Life of female during menstrual cycle, pregnancy, after having a child and menopause. age of female and male
scientific justification of the female and male body requrement then i think you will get some of the point why male is allowed at a time. I don’t want to discuss openly but i post my email address before you may ask.
Regards
It looks like you are assuming 25 million gays in US are all male.
“If you kindly observe and read materials regarding physical requirement of a male and female. Life of female during menstrual cycle, pregnancy, after having a child and menopause. age of female and male”
In some couples man has more sexual urge and in others woman physical needs are more frequent. It varies from individual to individual. The notion that men should be given preferntial is absurd and I do not agree with it. It just reflects the dark ages mentality of male domination. Going by religion women vote should carry half the weight of men.
I am against polygamy be it for man or woman. In your books the later doesn’t exists at all. My out-of-the-box question if you allow for one why not both? If it’s up to me I won’t defend/allow any sort of polygamy.
BTW I also do not understand why muslim male can marry non-muslim divine religion follower female but muslim woman does not have that option? Male domination is reflected in all religions and old doctrines and Islam is no exception. And why just devine religions why not hindus, Budists etc? Probably bcaz Islam originated in Arab pinnesula and it adressed their issues primarily. If it’s origin were in subcontinent it might had different sort of cultural influences.
Thanks Allah it is atleast clear that you are non-muslim and thanks for your clarification.
” In your books the later doesn’t exists at all”
Now for your type of people our religion say simple things Say the truth and go ahead don’t argue b/c they will never believe what is right.
If you don’t know about islam so you don’t have right pass comments about solution which islam gave to the problems and you should not tell anything about ijtihad b/c you are not a muslim so please stop saying any thing which is part of islamic values.
First thing is quite clear you are non-muslim and we are muslim for muslim the order of Allah and his Prophet Sala-o-lai wasalam is the last thing they never orgue that what is the logic behind it b/c we believe whatever Allah and his Prophet Sala-0-alai wasalam order or command is right and true and justified.
Pleas don’t misguide the innocent people by making wrong arguement
You did not give any solid answer of my question which i raised over here regarding multiple marriage of a man why islam says including DNA test xyz. you only have one thing is your mind and your way of thinking is not to appose this thing but actual intension was to appose or devalue islam by making this thing illogical or unjustified.
I know your type of person exist in every society who are narrow mind and only try to impose their thinking.
I only pray from Allah give you the way of true path the path of succesfull people.
hahaha the mere idea of thinking that ‘Time’ and I are women only because we advocate women rights is really funny and speaks volumes for the type of mindset that exists in our society.
Secondly, it is hilarious that you call ‘Time’ narrow-minded when your own account of polygamy is derived from the patriarchal mentality.
Nevertheless, I respect your opinion and congratulate you on believing that instead of making lives easier for women by eliminating disgusting practices like dowry and marrying within caste etc, you guys want to act as ‘Saviours of Women’ by marrying more than one woman at a time, have hoardes of children and end up in a total mess You are entitled to have your own opinion and I respect it.
I seek Allah’s forgiveness if I have said anything against the spirit of Islam. Allah Pak hamari sisters, daughters aur sab khwateen ko sautano say bachaye. Allah Ta’la aisa wakt kisi dushman per bhi na laye k uska husband kisi aur aurat ko ghar lay aye.
I know you’ll be upset after reading this, but brother, TRUST ME SELF-RESPECT AND SELF-ESTEEM DO EXIST IN WOMEN ALSO!!! and surprise surprise just as a man wants to kill his wife if the woman tells him to his face that she loves somebody else and wants to marry him, auraton main bhi yehi ghairat hoti hai, sirf hamari society main women are not ‘supoosed’ to have ghairat!
@ Sister Rohi
I have no sorrow regarding time as he show his belongings and his mind set from which class and which group he belongs.
Now, whatever i argue is in the favour of a women which were discussed in this programme
your pray is good that Allah will never bring such type of suffering to a women but fact is that womens are suffering. you totally ovelook or passed the facts. I don’t know from which city you belong but go outside see what is going to happen in society. Is it false that your society have imbalance ration of male and female? Women gets Education and passed the age limit so that their respective mate is not available? Women get divorced and widowed ?
for example bomb blast in pakistan causes how many women to become widowed. poverty in pakistan causes women not to marry as they were consider as a mess to family.
your pray that Allah will not give such time in the life of women in against reality and facts.
I am not upset due to your comment but i want to clearify your thinking, i don’t belong to such type of mind set where women are not allowed to expose their views.
Your last critic is valid that what happen if a wife says to her husband. First thing islam give the rights to a women if she don’t want to live then take divorce and whatever she wants to do like want marriage to another person it is allowed. but if she is a wife of a person then during this period she did not allowed to make relation or discussion or chating or anything with an unknown person. If this happen before marriage then she should not marry with anyother person and if she love after marriage which is very rare then best way is to get divorse and make any other relation. then mard ki ghairat atleast qatal karne ka nahi soche gi.
Now male can manage and share his love and stabilish equality so islam allowed it to a male having more than one wives, and as far as you say Allah will not bring such type of time in the life of a women then its surpising if you see the past of islam the best womens of the world before 1400 year they are also human they live togher. Ya i do agree there exist competition among them but even then they never think like that.
sory if anything harm you i know asian women are much more possesive.
Here in uk women also are possesive but they never mind if their boy friend have more than 50 relation in past b/c they also do it. so here society does not make a family system.
but as a muslim we are bound to a family system so whatever islam say is right and for more than one marriage the point of view of islam is right if it should be follow according to its true spirit. Women should give some qurbani and man should consider it as well and do create equality and justice.
I am ecstatic to imagine a time when men will have multiple wives and the same wives having multiple husbands, and these husbands having multiple wives and so on so forth. Just image it will make every one will be so closely related.
i think it should not be imagine it happend over here in Europe. so, why you imagine such a thing but not wives or husband but you may call it boy friend and girl friend atleast they are true follower of their law so their law allowed only one wife or husband but as many boy or girl friend as they wish . So, here in uk it exist so your dream comes true to some extent.
Girlfriend and boyfriends are not responsible for each other as husbands and wives are. Just imagine a man having 4 wives and he is responsible to take care of all of them and then all these wives have 3 more husbands each and every husband is responsible to take care of her ……. Wow who wants Jannat after that.
I think you want jannat in this world so its not a big deal. but i think both are responsible other wise they break up their relation.
and such type of situation which you are trying to say might exist in your family but sory our islamic values did not allow it so be happy in your own family and system.
Don’t try to impose your sick thinking in our culture.
You picked my one line out of context and declared me non muslim and that was the end of the argument, mashallah. I am not surprised I have talked to contractors of Islam like you many times in the past. There best answer to every question that they can not answer is that you are not muslim.
My reply is simple I am not satisfied with he rights Islam has given to women. I do not believe in polygamy, I believe women’s vote is equalivent to men, women can lead the nation. I donot believe woman is lesser than a man in any way and I do not need your certificate to be muslim. If you don’t have arguments don’t defend Islam. You are not entitled to define Islam. You have no right to throw any one in or out of islam.
@ time
I am extremely sory for that but if you ask someone else about your comment and context so i think i is cleared that you are related to any other religion. Let me paste all the things what you post before
“I am against polygamy be it for man or woman. In your books the later doesn’t exists at all. My out-of-the-box question if you allow for one why not both?”
If a person read this line what should he thought your books simply( Quran and Hadees )
I misguide not due to my intension but what you poste over here. I appologized from Allah
second post of yours
“BTW I also do not understand why muslim male can marry non-muslim divine religion follower female but muslim woman does not have that option? Male domination is reflected in all religions and old doctrines and Islam is no exception. And why just devine religions why not hindus, Budists etc? Probably bcaz Islam originated in Arab pinnesula and it adressed their issues primarily. If it’s origin were in subcontinent it might had different sort of cultural influences”
you criticize not only marriage of a muslim male at the time of Prophet muhammad sala-o-alai wasalam but also comment on that period of islam and relate religion with an area all such comments if any muslim will read i don’t think he will consider it is an opinion of a muslim.
Apni Millat pe Qiyas Aqwam-a-maghrib se na Kar
Khas Hay tarkeeb men Qoom-a-Rasool-a- Hashmi.
During your whole discussion you never ever put any comment or any referance of any quranic verse or any Hadees even did not said any thing about Prophet Muhammad so what should i think about you.
For you discussion ends but my views are clear enogh first read whatever you right i don’t think a modern muslim even he knows a little about islam will write whatever you post over here.
You are not clear about why islam give such type of permission, you misguide people by giving some moderate views about equality of women.
Islam give much more right to a women if you are not satisfied its your personal issue don’t bother people. before islam there is no concept of women rights read the history of arab, indo pak and any civilized nation of that time. Islam give much more right to a women than any religion and nation in the form of mother, sister, daughter and wife.
I use to live in a moderanized and well cultured and well mannered society here law give much more rights to a women but even then here there is no value of a women
just like a tissue paper they change a girl like a tissue. only fulfill their disire from women there not exist a relation like a mother a sister a daughter or even a wife. Female leave a horrible life over here after maturily they left their parents, use to live an independent life. after used by 100th of male and crossing the age limit no one think about them.
You never ever justified my raisese question. only try to see one side of the coin or from your own glassese.
I again say be realistic put your comment with realization and justification. and kindly show your identity. Even now i m don’t think you ask any thing from any molvi or you search anything about islam and did not get answer if you truely try to find it.
It is in a males nature of what ever species bar perhaps a handfull or less to aquire by hook or crook more then one sexual partner in his life time. For anyone to deny this is either a henpecked male or a a female living in denial….
If you think to be a muslim I have to agree 100% of what is written in Quran, I am sorry I won’t. I do not agree with polygamy. I think rights given by Islam to women were probably good enough then but not now. If that incites you to declare me non-muslim feel free to. I belive I am a muslim and my God will decide on Judgement day. I don’t need your or anyone like you to certify my religion. You should have kept your nose out of this discusion if your end argument was to declare anyone non-muslim. You could have said its above my pay grade before passing the final judgement.
@ time
i think you clear by yourself i did not need any comment in order to prove you a non muslim. I left this to every reader to chech his or her Iman.
“If you think to be a muslim I have to agree 100% of what is written in Quran, I am sorry I won’t.”
I suppose a lay muslim who even don’t read quran even he believe on it whatever is written in quran is true and right 100%. Yes you say the day of judgement, but in this life Allah give a chance to every person to correct him or her self and the present life of a person will tell what will be going to happen in the day of jugment even the death of a person will clearify it.
Its part of our Iman that whatever written in this Holy Book Quran is right and whatever the preaching and path of our beloved Prophet Salah-o-alai wasalam is true and right it never ever required any ijtihad and any changes. Islam is the only Deen-a-Fitrat for the whole world.
I don’t want to make any argue with such type of person who raise finger on Quran and try to say himself a muslim.
@ time
it seems that you need a bit of study …
why man allowed more than a wife … but before that … there is another question … that is how is he allowed
awain munh chuk k … nops
he is allowed only if he can do justice to every one of them so that means that it is advised not do that unnecessarily
now come to the question … why …
there are a lots of reasons …
social economical medical and physical … your point about DNA is partially valid…
take the example of a case in USA … there is a trend of test tube babies .. women choose a male of their choice with such n such qualities and take his sperms and then harvest em and have babies without marriage … after many years of this practice they found that a single male was father of more than hundred thousands children .. now who bother to have a dna and etc … and there is a fear that there will be many marriages among the daughters and sons of a single man …
2ndly …
i give u another example .. a jea asked Hazarat Imam Abu Hanifa RA that why polygamy for men only .. in islam .. Imam became a bit worried and asked the jew to lend him some time .. he went home at night instead of sleeping he was walking in the home … when his daughter asked him … whats the mater .. he told her .. she said its not a big problem … call the Jew tomorrow… next day he came and she asked him to bring four pots and in each pot milk of four animals … say .. cow, sheep , camel and buffalo …. he brought em then she asked him to put all four in one pot .. he did so then she asked him to separate em again …
this was the answer … to that jew .. and he reverted to Islam
these are the laws made by Almighty ALLAH and we have to abide by them …
i think u know the social and economical reasons of polygamy …
@ adnanarham
we are not allowed to call any one kafir … or non Muslim … until or unless he/she denies an ayah of Quran …
i am not sure if the permission of polygamy is in Duran or not .. can any one help?
i found one
The Quran in Sura 4:3 says:
And if you be apprehensive that you will not be able to do justice to the orphans, you may marry two or three or four women whom you choose. But if you apprehend that you might not be able to do justice to them, then marry only one wife, or marry those who have fallen in your possession. (Maududi, The Meaning of the Qur’an, vol. 1, p. 305)
“And if you fear that you cannot act equitably towards orphans, marry such women as seem good to you, two and three and four; but if you fear that you will not do justice between them, then marry only one or what your right hands possess: this is more proper that you may not deviate from the right course” (4:3).
“And they ask thee a decision about women. Say, Allah makes known to you His decision concerning them, and that which is recited to you in the Book concerning orphans of the women to whom you do not give what is appointed for them while you are disinclined to marry them” (4:127).
@Rohi
baat shad o madki nahi ha
mera aur doosray bhaion ka bhi zor issi bat per ha k .. allow ha with the condition that the man would do justice .. other wise it is not .. so legislation should be done keeping this in mind …
and why it is allowed has significant social and economical impacts to refrain the whole society from disaster and to take care of week and orphans …
though if any one says that it should not be allowed or it is wrong or it is cruel or he do not agree with it .. this is clear denial of Quranic verses and that is undoubtedly kufer and if some one does so.. either revert to islam by doing tauba or stay there out of the circle of islam .. its his/her desecration …
Dear Mujtaba Thanks for your comment. i just posted again few posting of time. Be justified what does it mean what he is trying to say and criticize not only Quran but also Allah and whatever prophet sala-o-alai wasalam said and do.
Let me post his comments
“If you think to be a muslim I have to agree 100% of what is written in Quran, I am sorry I won’t. I do not agree with polygamy. I think rights given by Islam to women were probably good enough then but not now. ”
Brother to be a muslim it should be 100% agree whatever writen in quran is not not only true and right but we should put our head infront of Allah order. Muslim never say that it is illogical and unjustified xyz.
By time
“I am against polygamy be it for man or woman. In your books the later doesn’t exists at all. My out-of-the-box question if you allow for one why not both?”
Brother Mujtab what do you understand from the above comments
By time
“BTW I also do not understand why muslim male can marry non-muslim divine religion follower female but muslim woman does not have that option? Male domination is reflected in all religions and old doctrines and Islam is no exception. And why just devine religions why not hindus, Budists etc? Probably bcaz Islam originated in Arab pinnesula and it adressed their issues primarily. If it’s origin were in subcontinent it might had different sort of cultural influences”
Dear mujtaba what you think from the above statement did he try to criticize the directly the prophet Muhammad sala-o-alai waslam by saying old doctrines and islam is no exception and origination of islam in Arab. what he trying to pin point you did not understand.
Islam in not a religion of Arab islam is for all world and Allah send his prophet Muhammad sala-o-alai wasalam in arab society. it does not mean islam is a religion which address issue of only Arabs and so on. The same objection which the jews and christian raised at that time why prophet is send to Arabs. (not completely relevent but a bit if you try to understand what sort of thing this person time try to impose in our mine. he never ever discuss anything about any quranic verse, any Hadees of prophet sala-o-alai wasalm and try to impose his views without any valid justification only his so called sich thinking and views)
Ms. Sameena Khawar stirred interesting debate in Punjab Assembly. My point of view is simple one man one woman marriage. I don’t belive in polygamy.
But if it is allowed I am just curious why only man is allowed to keep multiple wives, why woman can not keep multiple husbands?
When I asked this question to molvi sahib back in days his brief explanation was how would you know who is the father of the kid. Well DNA tests these days can sort this out beyond doubt. As far as financial affordability of multiple spouses is concerned I think there ‘d be few women, like men, who ‘d be able to manage that.
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@ Time
I completely agree with you. Aj kal bohat kam log 2 aurton main insaaf kar saktay hain and what if a woman wants to marry another man and seek divorce from her first husband, sari society us k peechay par jati hai.
Kabhi koi kisi aurat k dil say bhi poochay us per kia guzarti hai jab uska husband doosri shadi karta hai! This reflects the pre-Islamic mindset of treating women as commodities!
Afsos itni shad-0-mad say muslim men namaz aur rozay ki baat ko advocate nahi kartay jitnay zor-o-shor say 4 shadiyon ki baat ko.
I agree with Farzana Bari when she says that why can’t an unmarried man marry a widow or physically impaired woman? us ko sautan banana kiyun zaroori hai? takay wo baychari saari umar apnay ooper sautan ka label laga kar ghoomay, uska susraal usay hikaarat ki nazar say dekhay, pehli biwi aur bachay usay bad dua dain aur wo baychari aik mushkil say nikal ker doosri mushkil main phans jaey!
If somebody ask me whether you will do 2nd marriage, my answer is no. However one point has not been clarified that how the unmarried female (who don’t find single men) will fulfil their sexual requirement?
more than one marriage should not be imposed, but it should be allowed for the people so that the gaps are fulfilled.
For Time and Ms.Rohi
Be Justified, female hote huay app loog female ki dushman hain, you know why islam allow more than one marriage for a man and for your kind information female is also allowed more than one marriage but not at a time. Female aik waqt men sirf aik husband kay sath hi reh sakti hain.
app donon se guzarish hay kay pehle islam aur society ka mutala kar lain phir comments pass karain.
Now i pay my tribute to miss sameena khawar b/c atleast is door men aise bold baat kehna bhi kisi jahad se kamm nahi hay,
17% female hamari society men aisi hain jo umarried hain due to over age divorse or widowed u know its about 1,3000,000. un aurtoon ka kya bane ga suppose app ki apni sister, daughter kisi waja se shadi na ho sake ya phir talaq ho jaiye ya widowed aisi aurtoon ka kya hoga kya unhain society kay rehm-o-karam pe choor diya jaye?
for Time! imam abu hanifa kay time pe ye masla khawateen ney pocha tha kay why female were not allowed to get more than one marriage at a time then his daughter gave the answer to this question that it is not possible to differentiate that to whome the child belongs. DNA test haha, jis mulk men logon ko rotti moyaser nahi wahan pe app DNA test ki baat kar rahe hoo shayad khalayee makhlooq hoo? by the way DNA test jahan pe hota hay wahan aurat kay sath kya kuch nahi hota i m in uk yehan pe only 1 shadi by law allow hay male ko but a male can make relation as many female as he wanst koye restriction nahi hay. and most of the male do it kya earstern women dosri shadi kay bajaye apne husband ka aisa raltion bardasht kar sakti hain. Second DNA test ajj ki invension hay ajj se 50 years pehle kya app ka jawab bhi yehi hota? jo cheze har time kay liye yaksan nahi ho then it is wrong aur ye shaitani answer hay. jo app ka dimagh men aya hay.
Insaff yes ye bohat aham lafz hay hamari khawateen ko dosri shadi kay namm pe hi insaf yad ata hay. afsoos sad afsoos. Jis mulk men chief justice ko insaf kay liye dhake khane perte hain wahan insaf ki baat…. khair
madam insaf agar dekha jaye na tou aik mother bhi apne 2 bachoon men insaf nahi kar sakti phir ye lafz sirf dosri shadi ya mardoon ko bola jata hay.
Insaf nahi adal ho na chahiye aur mard adal kar sakta hay b/c mard jazbati nahi hota as compare to aurat lihaza mard kay ander Allah tala ney ye quality rakhi hay kay wo adal kar sake u know tamam courts men key position male ki hay as a judge and also qazi bhi male hi hote the. Baqi rahi baat mutmain karne ko u know aurat kabhi mutmain nahi ho sakti ye us ki fitrat hay, aur sotan app aise use kar rahin hain kay jaise koye gali ho.
plz pehle apni society pe nazar dalain phir islam ko read karain then jazbati soch kay ilawa koye baat karain.
agar koye valid question ho then ask i will answer
adnanarham@yahoo.com
For Financial point i want to share Two Hadis
Hadees ka mafhoof hay Aik Daffa aik sahabi Hazrat Muhammad Sala-o-alai wasalam
kay pass aye and say Allah kay Rasool Sala-o-alai wasalam meri aik B.V hay aur bache hain men bohat tangdast hoon mera rozgar nahi hay men kya karoon. Nabi kareem Sala-o-alai wasalam ney usay kaha kay tum nikkah kar loo. Wo sahabi chale gaye then kuch arse baad phir atey hain and say Allah kay Rasool Sala-o-alai wasalam men tang dast hoon mere halat kharab hain Nabi kareem Sala-o-alai wasalam ney usay kaha kay tum nikkah kar loo then he go back and he do it means third shadi phir kuch arse baad Hazrat Muhammad Sala-o-alai wasalam se un sahabi ki mulaqat hoti hay then Hazrat App Sala-o-alai wasalam
us se pochte hain tumhara kya hall hay he say men abb bohat khoosh hall hoon, he says mene App Sala-o-alai wasalam kay kehne kay mutabiq third marriage kar li meri tesri b.v bohat samajh dar thi us ney ghar men akar harmi kharab halat ki waja dekhi aur us nay mujhe mashora diya kay hamain kis tarha se in halat se nikalna chahiye then hum sab means meri baqi 2 bevian aur bache sab mill kar ghar men hi aik business start kiya meri b.v aur bache chezain banate aur men market men sell karta is tarha bohat jald hi mere halat ache ho gaye aur ajj men khoosh hall hoon.
Aik sahabi Hazrat Muhammad Sala-o-alai wasalam kay pass aye he says men shadi karna chahta hoon but mere pass kuch nahi hay Hazrat Muhammad Sala-o-alai wasalam ney poch koye cheze ho he says ye metal ki ring hay Hazrat Muhammad Sala-o-alai wasalam ney kaha yehi kafi hay mehar kay liye tum nikkah kar loo. then he do nikkah
sabaq ye hay kay islam ney nikkah ko asan banaya hay aur hamari society ney nikkha ko mushkill aur zinna ko asan kar diya hay aik normal shadi men expense jo hota hay wo normaly 5 to 7 lack hay from one side. I discuss about in city areas like karachi lahore etc.
shadi kay badd larki aur larke kay ghar wale qaraz dar ho jate hain b/c society ko mun dikhane kay chakar men aur society ki rasam pori karne kay liye wo aisa karte hain.
like shadi men jaheez lazmi dena hay jewellery wo bhi gold ki lazmi deni hay movie , shadi hall kay expense. if some one calculate then hamare han ghareeb ghar ki 70% bachion ki shadi possible nahi hay.
Meri guzarish hay Tamam afrad se shadi ki asan karain specially male se kay he should take a bold step.
Jaheez ka inkar kar dain kay shart hi yehi hay kay jaheez nahi lain gain, Sedhe tareqe se nikkah karain masjid men ya ghar pe and then Larki ko rukhsat kara lain means koye barrat ka chakar movie xyz na karain . then valima sunnat hay lihaza apni taufeeq kay mutabiq valima ka dinner dain thats all. shadi jitni sada aur asan hogi future men rishte utne hi mazboot hongain; ye kehna kay jaheez ki waja se susral men izzat nahi ho gi ye hamari society ki soch hay jo is talk show men bhi nazar ati hay but i say step lena mard ka kamm hay aur aurat ko support karna hoga chahe wo mann ho behan ho ya jis se mard ki shadi ho rahi ho. All should think.
Education give us thinking so should think and implement.
Dont you ppl think statement of Samina khawar was just a political one?
@adnanarham
How did you assume I am female? I am not but that doesn’t matter. Let’s get back to original argument.
Just to clarify, we are not discussing 2nd or 3rd marriage after divorce or death of partner here. The thing that is being discussed here is polygamy and mongamy.
Polygamy: The condition or practice of having more than one spouse at one time.
Monogamy: The practice or condition of having a single sexual partner during a period of time.
I understand Islam allows polygamy to males under cretain circumstances and with some restraints. I am not convinced. I am only for monogamy single sexual partner at a given time.
All I said if polygamy is allowed, that I am ceratinly against in any form and shape, then why is it only allowed to males why not to females who can financially afford and have the ability and resources to declare the father of their kids beyond doubt through DNA tests.
Your argument that 50 years ago DNA tests were not available. Well then lets Ijtihad. I am not sure why this Mufti Sahib closed the Ijtihad chapter on this issue? Islam is suppose to offer solutions universally all the time. That is not possible w/o ijtehad in ever evolving world.
I see the point people are trying to make….I myself found the concept of multiple marriage in Islam, always awkward….However once I read about it in the Quran, thinks became much more clear……
For example, where it says that men can marry up to 4 women, at the same time it conditions this to the strict equal treatment of wives……Now, ‘equal treatment’ is hardly possible if a man has a mature old wife and a yound one…..
Thus, since most men are in capable of this, more than one marriage is not an easy task to carry out….Secondly, the reason men are allowed multiple marriage and women ain’t is simply due to the difference in biology. Men do not get pregnant where as women do.
Therefore, it is against ‘nature’ for women to have multiple husbands, because that simply would not work…….Hope this clears some misconceptions….
For time
Just to clarify, we are not discussing 2nd or 3rd marriage after divorce or death of partner here. The thing that is being discussed here is polygamy and mongamy.
In reply of your said comments i want to recall that the whole discussion and dispute were start due to this fact that 17% women are those who are unmarried due to these said reasons either divorced or widowed or over aged or can’t afford Dwerry or Even expense of marriage.
Now polygamy i attached following link first read it i paste some of them over here
7. World female population is more than male population In the USA, women outnumber men by 7.8 million. New York alone has one million more females as compared to the number of males, and of the male population of New York one-third are gays i.e sodomites. The USA as a whole has more than twenty-five million gays. This means that these people do not wish to marry women. Great Britain has four million more females as compared to males. Germany has five million more females as compared to males. Russia has nine million more females than males. God alone knows how many million more females there are in the whole world as compared to males.
8. Restricting each and every man to have only one wife is not practical Even if every man got married to one woman, there would still be more than thirty million more females in USA who would not be able to get husbands (considering that America has twenty five million gays). There would be more than four million females in Great Britain 5 million females in Germany and nine million females in Russia alone who would not be able to find a husband.
http://www.islamawareness.net/Polygamy/why.html
Yes i do agree ijtehad for every women should say her husband to do a second marriage for the sake of such society where women are alone
It is not for that women is week or can’t afford but may women can afford their life but a single or lone women can easily damage the society than a married one.
I am in uk over here unmarried women are countless so there exist such time of thing which you can’t bear in our Eastern society.
Be realistic and adopt those things which is suitable for your own culture and society.
As far as your point that ijtihad to allow women to get more than one marriage is unrealistic ijtihad exist only where it requred and necessary for the society there is no way or not any solution for the problem exist.
Now if a women is not satisfied with her husband then islam give the way to take divorse and then she might marry to any other person if another person wants to marry her as you say she can afford due to her wealth (only few womens exist in this world who have such intensions).
For man islam does not say that give divorse and get second or third wife because islam is Deen-a-Fitrat
Allah knows better his creature than anyone else. So, your point of ijtihad at this issue is absolutely wrong and unjustified.
If you kindly observe and read materials regarding physical requirement of a male and female. Life of female during menstrual cycle, pregnancy, after having a child and menopause. age of female and male
scientific justification of the female and male body requrement then i think you will get some of the point why male is allowed at a time. I don’t want to discuss openly but i post my email address before you may ask.
Regards
@adnanarham
It looks like you are assuming 25 million gays in US are all male.
“If you kindly observe and read materials regarding physical requirement of a male and female. Life of female during menstrual cycle, pregnancy, after having a child and menopause. age of female and male”
In some couples man has more sexual urge and in others woman physical needs are more frequent. It varies from individual to individual. The notion that men should be given preferntial is absurd and I do not agree with it. It just reflects the dark ages mentality of male domination. Going by religion women vote should carry half the weight of men.
I am against polygamy be it for man or woman. In your books the later doesn’t exists at all. My out-of-the-box question if you allow for one why not both? If it’s up to me I won’t defend/allow any sort of polygamy.
BTW I also do not understand why muslim male can marry non-muslim divine religion follower female but muslim woman does not have that option? Male domination is reflected in all religions and old doctrines and Islam is no exception. And why just devine religions why not hindus, Budists etc? Probably bcaz Islam originated in Arab pinnesula and it adressed their issues primarily. If it’s origin were in subcontinent it might had different sort of cultural influences.
Thanks Allah it is atleast clear that you are non-muslim and thanks for your clarification.
” In your books the later doesn’t exists at all”
Now for your type of people our religion say simple things Say the truth and go ahead don’t argue b/c they will never believe what is right.
If you don’t know about islam so you don’t have right pass comments about solution which islam gave to the problems and you should not tell anything about ijtihad b/c you are not a muslim so please stop saying any thing which is part of islamic values.
First thing is quite clear you are non-muslim and we are muslim for muslim the order of Allah and his Prophet Sala-o-lai wasalam is the last thing they never orgue that what is the logic behind it b/c we believe whatever Allah and his Prophet Sala-0-alai wasalam order or command is right and true and justified.
Pleas don’t misguide the innocent people by making wrong arguement
You did not give any solid answer of my question which i raised over here regarding multiple marriage of a man why islam says including DNA test xyz. you only have one thing is your mind and your way of thinking is not to appose this thing but actual intension was to appose or devalue islam by making this thing illogical or unjustified.
I know your type of person exist in every society who are narrow mind and only try to impose their thinking.
I only pray from Allah give you the way of true path the path of succesfull people.
@ adnanarham
hahaha the mere idea of thinking that ‘Time’ and I are women only because we advocate women rights is really funny and speaks volumes for the type of mindset that exists in our society.
Secondly, it is hilarious that you call ‘Time’ narrow-minded when your own account of polygamy is derived from the patriarchal mentality.
Nevertheless, I respect your opinion and congratulate you on believing that instead of making lives easier for women by eliminating disgusting practices like dowry and marrying within caste etc, you guys want to act as ‘Saviours of Women’ by marrying more than one woman at a time, have hoardes of children and end up in a total mess
You are entitled to have your own opinion and I respect it.
I seek Allah’s forgiveness if I have said anything against the spirit of Islam. Allah Pak hamari sisters, daughters aur sab khwateen ko sautano say bachaye. Allah Ta’la aisa wakt kisi dushman per bhi na laye k uska husband kisi aur aurat ko ghar lay aye.
I know you’ll be upset after reading this, but brother, TRUST ME SELF-RESPECT AND SELF-ESTEEM DO EXIST IN WOMEN ALSO!!!
and surprise surprise just as a man wants to kill his wife if the woman tells him to his face that she loves somebody else and wants to marry him, auraton main bhi yehi ghairat hoti hai, sirf hamari society main women are not ‘supoosed’ to have ghairat!
sorry *supposed*
@ Sister Rohi
I have no sorrow regarding time as he show his belongings and his mind set from which class and which group he belongs.
Now, whatever i argue is in the favour of a women which were discussed in this programme
your pray is good that Allah will never bring such type of suffering to a women but fact is that womens are suffering. you totally ovelook or passed the facts. I don’t know from which city you belong but go outside see what is going to happen in society. Is it false that your society have imbalance ration of male and female? Women gets Education and passed the age limit so that their respective mate is not available? Women get divorced and widowed ?
for example bomb blast in pakistan causes how many women to become widowed. poverty in pakistan causes women not to marry as they were consider as a mess to family.
your pray that Allah will not give such time in the life of women in against reality and facts.
I am not upset due to your comment but i want to clearify your thinking, i don’t belong to such type of mind set where women are not allowed to expose their views.
Your last critic is valid that what happen if a wife says to her husband. First thing islam give the rights to a women if she don’t want to live then take divorce and whatever she wants to do like want marriage to another person it is allowed. but if she is a wife of a person then during this period she did not allowed to make relation or discussion or chating or anything with an unknown person. If this happen before marriage then she should not marry with anyother person and if she love after marriage which is very rare then best way is to get divorse and make any other relation. then mard ki ghairat atleast qatal karne ka nahi soche gi.
Now male can manage and share his love and stabilish equality so islam allowed it to a male having more than one wives, and as far as you say Allah will not bring such type of time in the life of a women then its surpising if you see the past of islam the best womens of the world before 1400 year they are also human they live togher. Ya i do agree there exist competition among them but even then they never think like that.
sory if anything harm you i know asian women are much more possesive.
Here in uk women also are possesive but they never mind if their boy friend have more than 50 relation in past b/c they also do it. so here society does not make a family system.
but as a muslim we are bound to a family system so whatever islam say is right and for more than one marriage the point of view of islam is right if it should be follow according to its true spirit. Women should give some qurbani and man should consider it as well and do create equality and justice.
Thats all
@ adnanarham
i like the way you insist on calling me a woman
sory if you clearify me that you whats your complete name i still consider you are female
I am ecstatic to imagine a time when men will have multiple wives and the same wives having multiple husbands, and these husbands having multiple wives and so on so forth. Just image it will make every one will be so closely related.
i think it should not be imagine it happend over here in Europe. so, why you imagine such a thing but not wives or husband but you may call it boy friend and girl friend atleast they are true follower of their law so their law allowed only one wife or husband but as many boy or girl friend as they wish . So, here in uk it exist so your dream comes true to some extent.
@adnanarham
Girlfriend and boyfriends are not responsible for each other as husbands and wives are. Just imagine a man having 4 wives and he is responsible to take care of all of them and then all these wives have 3 more husbands each and every husband is responsible to take care of her ……. Wow who wants Jannat after that.
I think you want jannat in this world so its not a big deal. but i think both are responsible other wise they break up their relation.
and such type of situation which you are trying to say might exist in your family but sory our islamic values did not allow it so be happy in your own family and system.
Don’t try to impose your sick thinking in our culture.
@adnanarham
You picked my one line out of context and declared me non muslim and that was the end of the argument, mashallah. I am not surprised I have talked to contractors of Islam like you many times in the past. There best answer to every question that they can not answer is that you are not muslim.
My reply is simple I am not satisfied with he rights Islam has given to women. I do not believe in polygamy, I believe women’s vote is equalivent to men, women can lead the nation. I donot believe woman is lesser than a man in any way and I do not need your certificate to be muslim. If you don’t have arguments don’t defend Islam. You are not entitled to define Islam. You have no right to throw any one in or out of islam.
@ time
I am extremely sory for that but if you ask someone else about your comment and context so i think i is cleared that you are related to any other religion. Let me paste all the things what you post before
“I am against polygamy be it for man or woman. In your books the later doesn’t exists at all. My out-of-the-box question if you allow for one why not both?”
If a person read this line what should he thought your books simply( Quran and Hadees )
I misguide not due to my intension but what you poste over here. I appologized from Allah
second post of yours
“BTW I also do not understand why muslim male can marry non-muslim divine religion follower female but muslim woman does not have that option? Male domination is reflected in all religions and old doctrines and Islam is no exception. And why just devine religions why not hindus, Budists etc? Probably bcaz Islam originated in Arab pinnesula and it adressed their issues primarily. If it’s origin were in subcontinent it might had different sort of cultural influences”
you criticize not only marriage of a muslim male at the time of Prophet muhammad sala-o-alai wasalam but also comment on that period of islam and relate religion with an area all such comments if any muslim will read i don’t think he will consider it is an opinion of a muslim.
Apni Millat pe Qiyas Aqwam-a-maghrib se na Kar
Khas Hay tarkeeb men Qoom-a-Rasool-a- Hashmi.
During your whole discussion you never ever put any comment or any referance of any quranic verse or any Hadees even did not said any thing about Prophet Muhammad so what should i think about you.
For you discussion ends but my views are clear enogh first read whatever you right i don’t think a modern muslim even he knows a little about islam will write whatever you post over here.
You are not clear about why islam give such type of permission, you misguide people by giving some moderate views about equality of women.
Islam give much more right to a women if you are not satisfied its your personal issue don’t bother people. before islam there is no concept of women rights read the history of arab, indo pak and any civilized nation of that time. Islam give much more right to a women than any religion and nation in the form of mother, sister, daughter and wife.
I use to live in a moderanized and well cultured and well mannered society here law give much more rights to a women but even then here there is no value of a women
just like a tissue paper they change a girl like a tissue. only fulfill their disire from women there not exist a relation like a mother a sister a daughter or even a wife. Female leave a horrible life over here after maturily they left their parents, use to live an independent life. after used by 100th of male and crossing the age limit no one think about them.
You never ever justified my raisese question. only try to see one side of the coin or from your own glassese.
I again say be realistic put your comment with realization and justification. and kindly show your identity. Even now i m don’t think you ask any thing from any molvi or you search anything about islam and did not get answer if you truely try to find it.
It is in a males nature of what ever species bar perhaps a handfull or less to aquire by hook or crook more then one sexual partner in his life time. For anyone to deny this is either a henpecked male or a a female living in denial….
@adnanarham
If you think to be a muslim I have to agree 100% of what is written in Quran, I am sorry I won’t. I do not agree with polygamy. I think rights given by Islam to women were probably good enough then but not now. If that incites you to declare me non-muslim feel free to. I belive I am a muslim and my God will decide on Judgement day. I don’t need your or anyone like you to certify my religion. You should have kept your nose out of this discusion if your end argument was to declare anyone non-muslim. You could have said its above my pay grade before passing the final judgement.
@ time
i think you clear by yourself i did not need any comment in order to prove you a non muslim. I left this to every reader to chech his or her Iman.
“If you think to be a muslim I have to agree 100% of what is written in Quran, I am sorry I won’t.”
I suppose a lay muslim who even don’t read quran even he believe on it whatever is written in quran is true and right 100%. Yes you say the day of judgement, but in this life Allah give a chance to every person to correct him or her self and the present life of a person will tell what will be going to happen in the day of jugment even the death of a person will clearify it.
Its part of our Iman that whatever written in this Holy Book Quran is right and whatever the preaching and path of our beloved Prophet Salah-o-alai wasalam is true and right it never ever required any ijtihad and any changes. Islam is the only Deen-a-Fitrat for the whole world.
I don’t want to make any argue with such type of person who raise finger on Quran and try to say himself a muslim.
So, Tumhara Deen Tumhare Liye Mera Deen mere Liye
@adnanarham
“Tumhara Deen Tumhare Liye Mera Deen mere Liye”
Thanks. I appreciate that.
Explanation of Polygamy in Islam
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4upefLQStg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98efnWUuwT8&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qZPSBAW9nY&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RX7wbeyHC_g&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4er5a4TVfXU&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wHGWTvbY4g&feature=related
How polygamy in west. How they mannage and thinking.Please listen carefully
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbZvunujf5Q&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOTtgkbZBbg&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bM_1GXx5CE&feature=related
@ time
it seems that you need a bit of study …
why man allowed more than a wife … but before that … there is another question … that is how is he allowed
awain munh chuk k … nops
he is allowed only if he can do justice to every one of them so that means that it is advised not do that unnecessarily
now come to the question … why …
there are a lots of reasons …
social economical medical and physical … your point about DNA is partially valid…
take the example of a case in USA … there is a trend of test tube babies .. women choose a male of their choice with such n such qualities and take his sperms and then harvest em and have babies without marriage … after many years of this practice they found that a single male was father of more than hundred thousands children .. now who bother to have a dna and etc … and there is a fear that there will be many marriages among the daughters and sons of a single man …
2ndly …
i give u another example .. a jea asked Hazarat Imam Abu Hanifa RA that why polygamy for men only .. in islam .. Imam became a bit worried and asked the jew to lend him some time .. he went home at night instead of sleeping he was walking in the home … when his daughter asked him … whats the mater .. he told her .. she said its not a big problem … call the Jew tomorrow… next day he came and she asked him to bring four pots and in each pot milk of four animals … say .. cow, sheep , camel and buffalo …. he brought em then she asked him to put all four in one pot .. he did so then she asked him to separate em again …
this was the answer … to that jew .. and he reverted to Islam
these are the laws made by Almighty ALLAH and we have to abide by them …
i think u know the social and economical reasons of polygamy …
@ adnanarham
we are not allowed to call any one kafir … or non Muslim … until or unless he/she denies an ayah of Quran …
i am not sure if the permission of polygamy is in Duran or not .. can any one help?
i found one
The Quran in Sura 4:3 says:
And if you be apprehensive that you will not be able to do justice to the orphans, you may marry two or three or four women whom you choose. But if you apprehend that you might not be able to do justice to them, then marry only one wife, or marry those who have fallen in your possession. (Maududi, The Meaning of the Qur’an, vol. 1, p. 305)
“And if you fear that you cannot act equitably towards orphans, marry such women as seem good to you, two and three and four; but if you fear that you will not do justice between them, then marry only one or what your right hands possess: this is more proper that you may not deviate from the right course” (4:3).
“And they ask thee a decision about women. Say, Allah makes known to you His decision concerning them, and that which is recited to you in the Book concerning orphans of the women to whom you do not give what is appointed for them while you are disinclined to marry them” (4:127).
@Rohi
baat shad o madki nahi ha
mera aur doosray bhaion ka bhi zor issi bat per ha k .. allow ha with the condition that the man would do justice .. other wise it is not .. so legislation should be done keeping this in mind …
and why it is allowed has significant social and economical impacts to refrain the whole society from disaster and to take care of week and orphans …
though if any one says that it should not be allowed or it is wrong or it is cruel or he do not agree with it .. this is clear denial of Quranic verses and that is undoubtedly kufer and if some one does so.. either revert to islam by doing tauba or stay there out of the circle of islam .. its his/her desecration …
http://www.answering-christianity.com/polygamy.htm
Dear Mujtaba Thanks for your comment. i just posted again few posting of time. Be justified what does it mean what he is trying to say and criticize not only Quran but also Allah and whatever prophet sala-o-alai wasalam said and do.
Let me post his comments
“If you think to be a muslim I have to agree 100% of what is written in Quran, I am sorry I won’t. I do not agree with polygamy. I think rights given by Islam to women were probably good enough then but not now. ”
Brother to be a muslim it should be 100% agree whatever writen in quran is not not only true and right but we should put our head infront of Allah order. Muslim never say that it is illogical and unjustified xyz.
By time
“I am against polygamy be it for man or woman. In your books the later doesn’t exists at all. My out-of-the-box question if you allow for one why not both?”
Brother Mujtab what do you understand from the above comments
By time
“BTW I also do not understand why muslim male can marry non-muslim divine religion follower female but muslim woman does not have that option? Male domination is reflected in all religions and old doctrines and Islam is no exception. And why just devine religions why not hindus, Budists etc? Probably bcaz Islam originated in Arab pinnesula and it adressed their issues primarily. If it’s origin were in subcontinent it might had different sort of cultural influences”
Dear mujtaba what you think from the above statement did he try to criticize the directly the prophet Muhammad sala-o-alai waslam by saying old doctrines and islam is no exception and origination of islam in Arab. what he trying to pin point you did not understand.
Islam in not a religion of Arab islam is for all world and Allah send his prophet Muhammad sala-o-alai wasalam in arab society. it does not mean islam is a religion which address issue of only Arabs and so on. The same objection which the jews and christian raised at that time why prophet is send to Arabs. (not completely relevent but a bit if you try to understand what sort of thing this person time try to impose in our mine. he never ever discuss anything about any quranic verse, any Hadees of prophet sala-o-alai wasalm and try to impose his views without any valid justification only his so called sich thinking and views)
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