March 17, 2010

The Senate Standing Committee on Information and Broadcasting today asked cable operators not to show Indian TV channels and dramas. Member committee Senator Tariq Azeem said that he had twice adopted resolutions recommending ban on Indian television channels. However, the resolutions were not yet implemented.

Do you believe Indian Media, specially their dramas should be banned in Pakistan? Watch a short report on the impact of Star Plus in Pakistani society.

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155 Comments

  1. Bawa says:

    بہت خوب. انڈین فلموں کی اجازت اور ٹی وی چینلز پر پابندی. ویسے تو ہمارے ٹی وی چینلز بھی کسی طرح انڈیا سے پیچھے نہیں ہیں

  2. rafay79 says:

    Look you can ban Indian channels, even ban indian movies in cinemas but there is no way you can ban Indian movies on CDs so the point is, there’s only so much you can do to lessen the impact of the ‘makaar hindu ki saazish against our muslim muaahsra.’ The people who HAVE to watch indian movies will still do that. So our focus is on the people who are limited to what the TV has to offer at home.

    But then again, what about our own people and the kind of plays we make? I can honestly say that apart from the ‘bhagwaans’ and the ‘devis’, our plays arent any different from the awful soaps produced by the indians.

    So what is it we are after then?

    Doing it because India is our ‘azlee dushamn?’

    Well we still have indian movies in our cinemas and CDs/DVDs of movies are available as soon as they are released. Our leaders are big fans of Bollywood so not sure if thats the case.
    Having said that, we did send across Meera in a bid to destroy Bollywood but that didnt quite work out as planned.

    Uriaani and Fahashi?

    Comparing TV with TV, we arent far behind. When you have programs such as Dance Masti on ATV, which doesnt even require cable to view, it sort of shows that we in the ”islami jamhooria” are doing quite well. And i for one certainly dont feel comfortable watching even pakistani plays on geo/ary/hum with my family because some of them are even more vulgar than the indian soaps at times.

    Comparing movies with movies isnt even worth doing. Jab hero ”pyaar dee gandairee” chooptay hoay heroine ka aisa button dubaye kay us ki ghaintee kharrak jaaye to peechay kia reh jaate hai bhai…

    So the uriaani and fahashi argument sort of goes out of the window.

    Being indianised/influenced by hinduism?

    Well given the crap our channels are dishing out, the kids will probably end up in the same place as they would if they watch the indian channels. Yea, they probably wont know all the bhajjans by heart and we should be very happy about it, right?

    At the end of the day, if the local entertainment is just as bad, if not worse, whats the point? In the larger scheme of things, its what the kids and the younger generation get their influence from is what worries us. I for one certainly wouldnt want my daughter to watch and imitate what they do on star plus. However, i am probably just as weary of her copying what they do on our tv channels.

    Its not just Indian TV, its the entire ‘enlightened moderation’ fiasco we need to look at. To cut a long story short, we need to get our own house in order cos otherwise we can ban all we want and it wouldnt make a difference.

    yay hindu baniya kia saazish karay ga bhai. hum khud hi kaafi hain is kaam kay liay.

  3. Rohi says:

    I agree with Rafay79 that the problem is not what is ‘out there’ on the media, the problem is within ourselves; lack of role models, parents’ negligence,and a lack of entertainment opportunities in our society.

    By the way, what does the Moulana mean by:” Hinduon aur Hindu mazhab say hamari nafrat?” Islam does not teach us to ‘hate’ any person on the basis of religion! These Moulanas should know that there are so many Hindus living in Pakistan who are patriotic Pakistanis and excellent human beings. There is a difference between being an ‘Indian’ and a ‘Hindu’ :)

    But I still maintain that because India has always imposed a ban on Pak channels, we should ban their channels and films too. Remember that every Indian DVD that we buy contributes to Indian economy (in case it is a pirated DVD, there are two crimes that we committ: a) support piracy, b) keep Indian movies in demand) and the money we pay for our DVD/ cinema ticket is used by the Indian State for terrorist activities in our own country. In other words, we buy bullets and bombs for ourselves!!!

  4. scary says:

    Anything that ruins Indian economy should be encouraged. Just ban the channels and we will worry about the movies later. Don’t debate. Just go ahead and do it.

  5. mirpuree says:

    Yes I am strongly recommed to banned indian channels in Pakistan. If you compare two families one watching Indian Channels one without indian channels. You will automaticaly come on results and support this to banned indian dramas in Pakistan.

  6. shimatoree says:

    It should simply be a business decision. The Indians do not show Pakistani TV.

    Therefore Pakistan should not show Indian Channels . Period. End of story.

    As regards the Indians promoting URYANEE and FAHASHI- well if you watch enough TV you know we have enough of our own URYANEE and FAHASHI –

    thanks to the westernised elite and the era of Musharraf. Just do keep in mind that in Lahore alone they have all kinds and I do mean all KINDS of stuff going on under guard of security agents.

    I wonder when the TTP is going to go after THEM.

  7. eskay says:

    The mother of the kids shown in the video seems quite happy with her kids’ behavior and value set. THAT is what it is all about. I grew up in Pakistan in the 1980s. My parents did not buy a VCR till their kids were all done with high school because they felt it would kill our fledgling reading habit as well as influence us unduly vis-a-vis culture and diction.

    Parenting involves setting examples. A nanny state can never substitute for sensible and involved parents willing to go the extra mile for their kids ………..NOT in a financial but other ways.

    Even if there is a ban on indian channels the brainless women who watch them will find another way to bring the “sitarey wala channel” to their sadly empty lives and their kids’ impressionable minds.

  8. khan javaid says:

    بہت اچھا فیصلہ ھے لیکن زرداری اس پر عمل نھیں کرے گا۔ گیلانی ویسے ہی خصی ھے۔بھارت دن رات ھماری ماں بہن ایک کر رہا ہے اور ہم اس کی فلمیں اور چینل دہکھ رہے ہیں۔ شرم سے ڈوب مرنے کا مٰقام ہے۔ پاکستان کا پانی بند کردیا ہے۔ ھر روز جنگ کی دھمکی مل رھی ھے۔ افسوس تو یہ ھے کہ پاکستا ن کی فوج امریکہ کی جنگ لڑنے میں مصروف ہے جو پاکستان کا انڈیا سے بھی بڑا دشمن ہے۔

  9. indiandost says:

    what a pity.u r not trying to beat india with better quality.banning is no soulution .this action will provoke more desire for indian content.u should ban terrorist outfits rather than indian content.indian products entertaing pakistanis ppls in such a difficult time .u should be thankfull to india .

  10. ConcernedAmericanPak says:

    After Bawa’s genius comment and his cautioning people not to consider me intelligent, I am under tremendous amount of stress to sound intelligent. I do believe in the freedom of speech and choice, the fact Hollywood, Bollywood, Lollywood is ok, but the Indian TV. is not. One must try to analyze this political game the failed Pakistani politicians are trying to play.

    Do the Indian’s allow the Pakistan TV to be watched, including the dramas in India, if the answer is no, than it does make a political sense to ban theirs. If not than we need to do analyses and compare it with our drams. Unfortunately my kids are not interested in Indian or Pakistani TV much and I do not like to watch the Indian channels because they show so mush despise and hate for the people of Pakistan and the country that it pisses me off. I do not like to pay to get pissed off.

    It will be hypocritical of me to make a judgment call or a genius like Bawa a jack of all trades and master of none, to get involve in every matter. From now onwards I will try to translate the golden words of the “Bawa” the Doctor of all fields from Canada, so more people can be enlightened by him.

    بہت خوب. انڈین فلموں کی اجازت اور ٹی وی چینلز پر پابندی. ویسے تو ہمارے ٹی وی چینلز بھی کسی طرح انڈیا سے پیچھے نہیں ہیں

    Very wellJ Indian movies are allowed and the TV channels banned, anyways our(Canadian) TV channels are not behind, (less than) the Indians.

  11. ConcernedAmericanPak says:

    Bawa you are becoming more funny and less intelligent, which is not a bad trade off, to me you are a clown of this thread, and few people are amused by you, some of them are taken by your good manners and once in a while when you are not shooting down the messengers, you do have valid points. Just use less space and try not to be understanding and against every persons comments.

    Some times mind your own business and spend more time with our “Bahbee“, your children or your rabbits, what every your life style is, you do not mentionabout your life because people of your clan like to start looking in every mosque in Lahore , your father’s name, what a bunch of looser some of your likeminded people.

  12. anna says:

    The decision came very LATE !! the Cultural war has been started since 2004 & all of us who silently watched our next Generation to be INJURED & KILLED by these VULGAR dramas , Movies & Songs from INDIA & broadcast by our own Pakistani FM radios & Cable Operators
    ( a retd.Capt.of Pakistani Army is still the head of Cable operators association) .
    I am of the generation who has VCR & Dish Antennas but no Anti Pakistani , anti Cultural , anti Social effects could make my generation Radar less & Direction less ! but this CABLE thing & BY FORCE imposition of Indian culture on Pakistani citizens by Musharraf government & its extension in Zerdari’s government is VERY VERY shameful ! most urbanite ages 10 to 16 years dont know WHO THEY ARE ????? they dont know where QUETTA is located but they know Guwa is a indian resort !! disgusting haan!!
    The DECISION though came very late & much of the little brains got effected by this indian cultural onslaught as CLAIMED by SONIA GANDHI ( she & her mercenaries in Pakistan has already WON the WAR ).
    Even then I WELCOME the DECISION ! its now on our FM radios / Cable operators /private TV channels to show some GHAYRET or if they still luv to show Monkey faced shahruook & less than half dressed ashoori raiy !! or whatever dramas they stupidly showing !( i dont watch that trash …so I dont know the names) !!

  13. thedude says:

    i hate indian media and movies … i grew up in a middle-class family in the 80’s where watching indian movies had a very strong culture … we never had dish or cable and at least one rented movie a week was considered a great entertainment … but i got disgusted by the culture in the 90’s … and ever since i’ve seen less than 20 indian movies in the last 20 years (and those too on the insistence of family/friends) … but i’m a big big fan of english movies

    i wouldn’t go so far as to “ban” any media … but a very efficient way to control the influence is to put heavy taxes on indian channel subscriptions or something like that … no middle class family would pay huge amount of money to watch crappy channels like starplus …

    but there are other serious issues in pakistani media distribution so much that banning or taxing is not going to work … think about 1000’s of copies of pirated indian movies available in computer and CD shops …

    the whole business is already based on illegal trade what are you gonna do about that?

  14. ConcernedAmericanPak says:

    Before we discuss Indian media or television or Pakistani media we should learn the media effects on the people, especially young people…

    During childhood, adolescence, media exposure is part of a constellation of sociocultural factors that promote a thinness schema for girls and the muscularity schema for boys (Harrison & Hefner, 2006; Smolak & Levine, 1996; Thompson et al., 1999).

    A child’s body image develops as the result of many influences:

    A newborn begins immediately to explore what her body feels like and can do. This process continues her whole life.

    A child’s body image is influenced by how people around her react to her body and how she looks.

    A pre-adolescent becomes increasingly aware of what society’s standards are for the “ideal body.”
    Media’s Effect on Body Image
    The popular media (television, movies, magazines, etc.) have, since World War II, increasingly held up a thinner and thinner body (and now ever more physically fit) image as the ideal for women. The ideal man is also presented as trim, but muscular.

    Rumble, Cash, and Nashville (2000; cited in Klein & Shiffman, 2006) found that the schematic association of attractiveness and thinness with goodness was present in over 100 female characters appearing in 23 Walt Disney animated films (cel cartoons) produced over a 60-year period.

    Fouts and Burggraf (1999, 2000) observed that thin female characters in television situation comedies were more likely than heavier female characters to be praised by male characters, and less likely to be insulted by male characters in ways deliberately tied to evocation of “canned” and supportive audience laughter.

    Since the 1980s magazines have increasingly depicted the male body in a state of objectified undress, such that a significant focus for the camera and viewer is raw, exposed (“chiseled” or “ripped”) muscularity (Halliwell, Dittmar, & Orsborn, 2007; Pope et al., 2000).

    Field et al. (1999) reported that the majority of nearly 550 working class adolescent girls were dissatisfied with their weight and shape. Almost 70% of the sample stated that pictures in magazines influence their conception of the “perfect” body shape, and over 45% indicated that those images motivated them to lose weight. Further, adolescent girls who were more frequent readers of women’s magazines were more likely to report being influenced to think about the perfect body, to be dissatisfied with their own body, to want to lose weight, and to diet.

    Teen-age girls who viewed commercials depicting women who modeled the unrealistically thin-ideal type of beauty caused adolescent girls to feel less confident, more angry and more dissatisfied with their weight and appearance (Hargreaves, 2002).

    In a study on fifth graders, 10 year old girls and boys told researchers they were dissatisfied with their own bodies after watching a music video by Britney Spears or a clip from the TV show “Friends” (Mundell, 2002).

    In another recent study on media’s impact on adolescent body dissatisfaction, two researchers found that:

    Teens who watched soaps and TV shows that emphasized the ideal body typed reported higher sense of body dissatisfaction. This was also true for girls who watched music videos.

    Reading magazines for teen girls or women also correlated with body dissatisfaction for girls.

    Identification with television stars (for girls and boys), and models (girls) or athletes (boys), positively correlated with body dissatisfaction (Hofschire & Greenberg, 2002).

    Media’s Effect on Gender Identity

    http://www.mediafamily.org/facts/facts_mediaeffect.shtml

  15. ConcernedAmericanPak says:

    Study Points to Health Effects of Television on Teens
    Wednesday, April 26, 2006

    According to a study published in a recent issue of the Archives of Pediatrics and Adolescent Medicine, premature youth sexuality may be among the negative health effects of television. The study, conducted by University of Wisconsin researchers, used data from surveys of nearly 5,000 teens nationwide to investigate the relationship between the effects of television viewing and the development of youth sexuality. The findings led researchers to conclude that excessive TV viewing during the early teen years may be a warning sign for parents.

    Teens who watch more television, the study found, are at a higher risk of initiating sexual activity at earlier ages. Those teens who watched between two and five hours of television a night were approximately twice as likely to be sexually active as teens who watched less than one hour a night. Those teens who engaged in more TV viewing also appeared to be spending less time communicating with parents, indicating that the health effects of television viewing may not be the only factor affecting youth sexuality.

    The current study, researchers noted, looked only at the health effects of television viewing in terms of number of hours clocked in. Some TV industry advocates have criticized such studies for failing to take into account the content of television programming to which teens are exposed.

    Other studies have compared the health effects of television for teens who watch different varieties of programs, finding that those teens who are attracted to more culturally sophisticated shows may be less likely to develop unhealthy behaviors than teens who view strictly “low-brow” fare.

    Researchers concluded by urging parents to remain highly involved in teens’ lives, including keeping up to date on young people’s television viewing habits and interests. In one of the study’s more optimistic findings, researchers had noted that those teens who understood their parents disapproval of premature sexual activity were less likely to become sexually active than their peers who did not receive frank and open communication from parents.

  16. haroonabadi says:

    no no no, main shahrukh kay bagher nahi reh sakta, or pher katrina tu meray khaboon main aate hai un per bhe pabandi lagaoo gay kiya???
    na humaray tafreeh kay liyee parks hain, na khalnay kay liyee grounds hain, na books parnay kay laye libraries, last 20 years when we are growing our leaders and the society in general gave us none of the above mentioned facilities and nor did they give us any direction, you left us at the mercy of indian cinema and now that we know nothing else you want to take away the only thing we know associate with and have for enjoyment. No alternative, yeah zulam hai zulam hai
    plus
    jis dees main bhutto aaj bhe zinda ho
    zardari jesa raaj kerta ho
    jehan insaf bikta ho
    insan insan ka goshat nochta ho
    wahan indian chanels chal jayeen ghay tu kaya zulma ho ga

  17. ConcernedAmericanPak says:

    Television and the Indian youth Buzz Up Share

    Twitter Delicious Myspace Digg Stumble Upon Facebook Tue, Mar 9 09:41 AM

    Enough has been written about Indian youth’s addiction to the social networking sites. But what are they watching on television? How have they been impacted by the explosion in the number of channels and how does the viewership pattern vary across different socio-economic groups? TAM Media Research did a study on media consumption amongst the youth for India Today Aspire. The target group was the cable and satellite (CS) viewers between the ages of 15 to 24 all across the country.

    The general entertainment channels (GEC) such as Star Plus, Sony and Zee have emerged as clear favourites among youngsters with a genre share of 49 per cent. “Their popularity seems to be driven by three main factors. The introduction of socially relevant themes in family soaps, surge in the reality format and introduction of successful movies,” says LV Krishnan, CEO, TAM Media Research.

    The youth was the first segment to sample the channel Colours, before other sections of the society started following it. Colours, which was the first to introduce serials on social themes such as Balika Vadhu, is often voted as one of the most popular GEC.

    Music, movie and news too scored well, with the genre share for music rising from 3.2 in 2004 to 6.3 per cent in 2008. The overall advertising focused on youth on music channels grew in 2009, with an addition of nearly 13 new advertisement categories. “Music channels have always been in fashion among the urban youth,” says Biswajit Das, professor and director, Centre for Culture, Media and Governance, Jamia Millia Islamia, New Delhi. Surprisingly, sports genre is not as popular as one might have expected. Its share has dipped from five per cent in 2004 to 3.3 per cent in 2009. “Viewership of sports channels, which is largely cricket-led, depends from event to event. Aspects such as how big or important the event is and whether India is on winning spree or not decide the quantum of sports viewing,” explains Krishnan. Religion and mythology are the least preferred genres.

    The viewership pattern also depend on one’s background or the socio-economic position. For instance, English movie channels such as Star Movies or HBO witnessed an average weekly gross rating point or GRP of 40 among those who belong to the upper strata (referred to as SEC AB youth in the study) as opposed to only 28 among the lower section (SEC CDE youth). The highest GRP among English channels was clocked by the infotainment genre.

    http://in.news.yahoo.com/248/20100309/1610/tls-tv-talkies-impact-of-media-on-youth.html

  18. ConcernedAmericanPak says:

    I hope that PKP will allow the few reads I have dugout for the readers before we start making comments. Indian Youth and Pakistani Youth has many common society pressures and lifestyle issues. The poverty and the have and have not’s gap. I hope this will help, end of the day we are all adults, hopefully and can make our own judgment.

  19. Oh, yes, definitely. Ban them. Ban all of it. They project the height of vulgarity. Like all things which come out of middle-class India. Not only are they anti-us, vulgarity happens to be wholly incompatible with the values of Islam. We love India, but detest their middle-classes.

  20. rashidsaleem says:

    Yet again we try doing something that’s not necessary. Banning any country’s would bring what I ask. Then you should also band Indian movies and Indian products also. You should also start banning every product from Europe. That is not the way to go about things really. The issue is not Indian channels but the element of extremism in us.

  21. zalaan says:

    There should not be issue of indian or Pakistani channels ,We have to see which is acceptable in our society .India channel does not mean “hindu ” TV channels ,Like NDTV ,Peace TV are also Indian channels .

  22. hiramir34 says:

    Rivalry with our neighboring countries is sum thin that I personally disagree with. I think we should have like really does relations and SOLID ones with all so that we can trade and prosper with a healthy competition. Banning on their products and films is something that is not an option.

  23. amnazaman says:

    I think this attitude is very negative. We want more projects such as Aman ki asha so that the bonding between both the nations should increase. We have a common enemy that is the terrorist so lets all unite and fight them rather than increasing differences which has not really led us anywhere in the 62 years.

  24. geelemitti says:

    @rafay79

    if you remember the time , before 1990s, since the start of Pakistani TV media in 60s , we had superior quality dramas AND movies produced in Pakistan. Pakistani Movies started to deteriorate with the influx of indian cenima through pirate market as well as the draught of creative thinking and innovation that fall upon our film industry due to mafiaization of medium and general degredation of public opinion about movies. Government played a significant role in this , what i would like to call murder, of pakistani film industry. People found alternative in indian cenima and eventually added to the injury . So the cause of demise of Pakistani cenima is not only poor planning by the government by her failure to control the influx, when it could have been controlled and cured.

    Solution to the problem faced by Pakistani Film industry is to provide encourgement on the government level to this instituton. At this moment, it needs protection from the external influence. It doesnot mean to just simply STOP indian/western cenima in the country, it also requires for the government to develop alternative within the Country. We have talent, a lot more than what India could ever comeup with and quality is far supirior as well, it just needs proper management and financing. Here i would also like to say that i am one of those people who think that Film/TV media could be used to spread positive, constructive ideas among the masses and support the propogation, as appose to those who treat it as social evil.

    For TV, situtaion is different. We have to understand the cause of decline of Pakistani TV. since 1980s , in Pakistan TV in general is preferred over cinema as form of family entertainment, partly due to the demise of film industry because of the above mentioned reasons. Quality of Pakistani TV, in 60s , 70s and 80s was so supreme that, till now in Indian Film Industry and Film institutes they are used as course material. Those dramas required the genius of direction, strenght of story and realistic portrayal of Charecters by the actors of extremely high quality. All of this required investment in resources , patience and mental attitude of quality over quantity, which comes at a price and doesnot always make business sense. Indian setallite TV provided a cheap, repeatable, glamourous, and mind numbingly repetitious , alternative , completely devoid of any meaning full purpose. Introducton of power politics, money and corporations in this area in Pakistan served as final blow. For them, indian formula is more acceptable and make more business sense than to invest resources to create something equivalent of Pakistan dramas of early years.

    I believe this is a good step to block the external influence but this is ONLY ONE STEP, and in itself it doesnot fulfill the purpose. This should be a multi-pronged attack with government assisstance and it will take time to change the public opinion. But more than that it is ABSOLUTELY NECESSORY for government, and people of Pakistan to take this step , if they want to save their culture and heritage.

  25. time says:

    As per 911 commission report 15 out of 19 sucide hijackers were Saudis and it wasn’t a coincedent. It suggested that despite all the prosperity there are not many entertainment outlets offered to Saudi citizens. They have soccer and even in soccer they are not among the top nations. Those who can afford, top few percents, enjoy very western like life style beyond their boundries but masses in genral live in very confined environment established under the umberlla of religion.

    In US they have NFL, NBA, MLB, Ice hockey, unparallel sports infrastructure at grass root level, hollywood, and wide range of release valves. No indigneous formal insurgency or political movement. Despite all the prosperity urban crime and random shootings by frustrated/sick individuals especially teenagers is very common. One can’t imagine without these outlets how law and order would be in world’s richest economy.

    Culturally north India and Pakistan are closer than north India to south India. We share same language, to some extent same traditions especially bordering states like Pujab, Haryana, Himachal, Kashmir, Delhi, UP etc. The only thing south and north shares is cricket beside same political federation. Our players, singers, artists, TV plays are fairly popular in North India. Similarly Indian stars, bollywood and now star plus are very popular in Pakistan. I don’t see any problem with that actually I find it quite natural. If we share language than we share lot of things including celebs, shows, movies.

    If we artificially ban we will further detoriate our law and order. International teams can’t come to Pakistan if we ban IPL broadcast, bollywood movies and star plus Indians ‘d be fine we will suffer.

  26. Masood Ahmad says:

    Start Plus is killing the morals of kids, especially young girls.

    Instead getting involved in latest skills/educational stuff, the young girls are encourged to learn domestic politics of being a “sister”, a “bhabhi”, a “mother”, a “mother in law” …etc.
    That all is simply killing their minds.

    So yes, we need to stop this virus.

    An other important, much of our youth is trapped in SMS habit as well, and making videos on cell phones. This is also resulting into serious problems, sometimes as serious as causing deaths and suicides …. !!!

  27. ammarisb says:

    What good would the ban on Indian channels do, as we live in an age on information so almost all programs are accessible on the web, there is a need to for greater understanding between the two nations so that we can resolve our differences? India and Pakistan both face the menace of religious extremism and with greater media dialogue we can counter the forces of hate and violence.

  28. Masood Ahmad says:

    @ammarisb

    I think the issue here is not about abandoning indian channels because they are propogating anything against Pakistan.

    It’s rather something about morals of our kids especially young girls. If you watch Star Plus on a regular basis, it’s producing rotten generations.

    Hope you understand

  29. ninetykman says:

    Yes they should be banned. They are corrupting our youth and also their display of Devi, Devtas is totally against the foundations of our religion.

  30. Human says:

    There should NOT be any ban on Indian channels etc. it does not make any sense. The ban/parental-control should be done domestically. If it is not being done, then this means that Pakistan public has accepted and approved the Indian channels for their entire family.

    Some people may think that it is a threat to our moral values, and children are getting affected. This is actually a social and domestic problem, the child’s up bringing is the parents’ responsibility, and it is up to the parents to not let their children watch such stuff on television.

    If the state thinks they can do any good by doing this, then why Indian channels only? why not ban the western channels as well who take, what we consider social “evils”, to a completely different level.

    And in the end. Ask your self a question. “Are we morally so weak that we think we can be influenced by Indian media, don’t we know what is right and wrong for us and our families?”

  31. pakistanimunda says:

    I am for peace between Indian and Pakistan but I would support any kind of ban on Indian channels. They are destroying our youth. They have become confused and their spoken urdu has turned into hindi. I would go one step further and ask the Gov to Banned the movies as well.

  32. raorizwanali says:

    I want to share my personal experience relevant to this matter.
    I am over 30 years ,I am from a middle class family,till 1997-98 I was a regular TV viewer ,at that time as I told I am not from a rich family so only PTV was available.It was really full of amusement and recreation and our whole sat in front of TV without any shyness. Then my life became practical suddenly I have been so busy since 1998 I could never see any TV program ,I am only watching movies on DVDs .I am in UK form 2004 and on sky satellite all Indian and Pakistani channels can be seen. Last year I was at a friend’s house ,I was playing with sky remote coincidently I stopped at a channel ,I saw Hassam Qazi (Pakistani TV Actor) with a female ( Sleeveless shirt,no shawl,cheap dressing overall) ,Hassam Qazi was putting her hands on female’s shoulder and extremely vulgar chat was going on.I could not believer it is Pakistani channel ,I asked my host is Hassam Qazi acting on any indian channel ,he smiled and said” this is Pakistani .Rao Sahib”.I thought, could be it is GEO(JEW) or any other third class channel. But very shocking and painful to me it was PTV( Pakistan(Islamic Republic of Pakistan) Television ).
    I am really upset from that day this is what we are teaching our young generation.I think Indian channel are doing nothing ,our own channels should be closed or reviewed.
    I lost the respect for PTV which was my favorite in childhood ,it started with Tilawat,Exercise ,Cartoon and news after that I used to left for school.

  33. Bawa says:

    @ ConcernedAmericanPak

    بزرگو. اب جان چھوڑ دیں. ایک ماہ سے زیادہ ہوگیا ہے آپکا غصہ ٹھنڈا ہونے کو ہی نہیں آ رہا. گندی گالیاں بک بک کر ابھی آپکا جی نہیں بھرا؟ میں نے آپ سے بار بار درخواست کی ہے کہ مجھے مخاطب نہ کیا کریں لیکن آپ نے بلا وجہ ہر کومنٹس میں مجھے ہی نشانے پر رکھا ہوا ہے. اگر کوئی بندہ بڑے ہونے کے ناطے سے آپکی عزت کر رہا ہے تو آپ کیوں اسے اپنے جیسی گفتگو کرنے پر مجبور کر رہے ہیں. آپکے کومنٹس پڑھکر پتہ ہی نہیں چلتا کہ آپ کیا اوٹ پٹانگ بولتے جاتے ہیں؟ خدا کا خوف کریں اور کسی کو اتنا مجبور نہ کریں کہ وہ بھی آپ جیسی زبان بولنے لگ جائے. بہت شکریہ

  34. abbas2 says:

    hi bros… well i agree wid few of u guys, but do u know who is responsible for all this??? our mothers sisters wives and mostly all females. they are very fond of watchin this shit star plus. coz they hav nothing to do at home. i dont know what is so special in these cheap serials? they hav no story not good artists nothing. its good indian channels n indian n vulgar english movies should be banned immediately in pak. n pakistanis should produce good movies n dramas n improve there acting skills.

  35. SAZA says:

    Mush -the traitor, ignited fire in Pakistan by killing innocents in Laal Masjid, got us defeated in Cargil, and allowed Indian TV and films in Islamic Republic just to ruin our اخلاق . InshaAllah he will soon meet his fate. All Indian channels and films be banned forthwith. Mush- the traitor be brought back in Pakistan and prosecuted in court of law.

  36. rizwanjaved says:

    100% Agreed…..Government should ban indian channels and Pakistani media should also show responsibility. Our channels are also promoting indian culture. They must stop this. and Promote our culture & values as Muslim State…..

  37. raorizwanali says:

    @Mujtaba

    Many thanks

    @ rizwanjaved

    Pakistani culture is very rich , it does not need any support from vulgarity.

    I am again adding to my previous comments ,I always appreciate Pakistani culture here and remind the community that pakistani common living environment is ideal for character building ,Unlike other Pakistanis I always wish my generation to live in Pakistan but now these Pakistani channels made me speechless.

  38. Believer says:

    Whats wrong with Indian cultural domination? We should accept facts. We cannot beat India – we need to join them!!!!

    Strong cultural identity comes with ‘Ghairat’ which we sadly don’t have! I am just scared of the time when we will try to illegally go to India for work (same way some Muslims do in Israel!).

  39. SAZA says:

    جرات ہے تو افقار کی دنیا سے گزر جا – ہیں بحر خودی میں ابھی پوشیدہ جزیرے
    کھلتے نہیں اس قلزم خاموش کے اسرار – جب تک تو اسے ضرب کلیمی سے نہ چیرے
    Please rise and act.

  40. anna says:

    @ for all those who are against the BAN on Indian Dramas &Movies & Songs on Pakistani Cables & Pakistani FM radios !!

    JUST LET THEIR NEWS CHANNELS TO COME THROUGH our CABLES !!
    I BET NO ONE DARE to WATCH their MOVIES & SOAPS & SONGS !!

  41. Believer says:

    @ Bawa
    Dont worry about ‘ConcernedAmericanPak’. Living on foreign shores and being concerned about another (native) country brings a lot of resentment and anger. You should forgive him.

    I am living in the UK for more than five years and haven’t seen any normal person who has been living here for a long time (I mean 20 or more). This makes me really worried. Its not his fault. I have seen a lot of anger in this generation too.

    Arshir Cowasjee has summed it up really well: (It is a warning to us all though)

    http://www.dawn.com/weekly/cowas/20070429.htm

    One e-mailer writes : “Having spent almost all my life as a second class expatriate, I have no home to come back to..’

  42. soh89 says:

    this is just silly and pointless, internet is still available. it’s a stupid decision to ban them, why ban them? if you don’t like it, then don’t watch it. parents are not blind so they should be preventing their kids from watching them, but some channels do have good dramas, they’re overlooked because of the 99% bad ones. I know they are annoying, give headaches, hypertension, etc, but there is a OFF button on TV or just change the channel.

    what are people gonna watch now? GEO TV? who can pay 15 pound a month to watch that? if you really want to take people away from these dramas, then make better dramas and movies which people will like and then who would watch bad ones? no, we won’t do that, we’ll just BAN them, yep simple solution, they think.

    first we want entertainment from rest of the world, but don’t wana make our own. who wants to see stupid movies with one guy killing hundreds with just one gun and screaming “OE JAGIRDARYA”. I admit many old pakistani movies were brilliant, but why not make them now. Most of the films these days are crap, i think it was Blue (one of the worst movies ever) and cinema houses in pakistan were full of them, hahahh. see the problem here? revive the industry and slowly everything will be ok.

    and look at this situation, indian dramas are watched in pakistan just as much as in india, but why not the other way around???? how come i’ve never seen indian people watching pakistani dramas???

    last week on mothers day, on Noor TV there was this drama called Janat, starring jan rambo, and it was 40 minutes long, trust me it was way better than indian dramas and most of the movies, in 40 minutes, it made my mum and dad cry, remembering their parents. this 40 minute drama had more effect than 900 episodes of Saas bahu thi whatever. THERE IS TALENT in pakistan and india, but gets buried deep in the ocean and never sees the light of the day, altho in india some do rise up. we have no ground to provide them, our people can’t get jobs, food for their families, water, gas, electricity, so HOW the hell will they be able to think of ambitions, crime rate goes high up.

    so sorry for long post, but the truth is it won’t stop, it will continue and i think it should, we should learn from it and take that as a lesson and try to make it better. kids in our country, those who are lucky enough to get to school, are rattu tote, taught to memorize everything by heart, but not taught common sense, everything needs to change. but those damn politician, how lucky are they, dat they never get killed either while innocent people & families are destroyed.

    sory really got carried away here lol. but the end line is it doesn’t matter if it’s banned or not, because people who don’t wana watch it, won’t, and those who do, will find another way to do it. i bet people will make a business out of it, one guy in the street has internet, so downloads episodes weekly and sells them lol.

  43. soh89 says:

    oho! just saw the video now, it’s worse than i thought. Kids should watch cartoons not dramas. my litle brother is 13 and he never watches them and never wants to. although there’s this family i know, the wife never cooks food, cleans the house, but at the time the drama starts she’s there with all the kids as well. and the kids are also always saying jyoti this santu that, but this is really too much. i thought it was just a bit here but it’s everywhere, husbands always complaining about wives watching dramas and not talking etc. we had star plus before, but removed it, dad used to hate them dramas, mom liked them tho. but what can they do, inside their homes, bored to death, they need to be entertained too, again i’ll say that we need to make our channels main stream like these are.

    i hate all the family fights, murders, rapes, kidnappings they show too, but there are a few (yes, less than 1%) which are actually good and different. it’s the parents faults too, it’s not like it hapened in a day and they couldn’t do anything, if i see my brother doing this, i would teach him properly rather than put it on again and watch in front of him. instead of just blaming, we should take responsibily.

  44. Guilty says:

    ConcernedAmericanPak said:

    ———————————————————————-

    No personal anger to anyone including BAWA, shame on you when you fail to argu with BAWA, you started talking like Street GHUNDA people.

    No GHUNDA gardi here on the forum, dont polute the atmosphere, go Gawalmandi Lahore where would find people of your level and your mind set.

    Also stop posting ( copy / paste) of NEWS PAPERS on this forum, people express their views, not newspaper cuttings, no body wants your long newspaper cutting pasted here.

    come with some arguement to have a healthy discussion, dont show us Newspaper cuttings.

    And no personal to BAWA or anybody else,

    if you are a man argue wiht him, we dont want to see a argue less GHUNDA abusing annocent people

  45. Guilty says:

    ConcernedAmericanPak said:

    ———————————————————————-

    No personal anger to anyone including BAWA, shame on you when you fail to argu with BAWA, you started talking like Street GHUNDA people.

    No GHUNDA gardi here on the forum, dont polute the atmosphere, go Gawalmandi Lahore where would find people of your level and your mind set.

    Also stop posting ( copy / paste) of NEWS PAPERS on this forum, people express their views, not newspaper cuttings, no body wants your long newspaper cutting pasted here.

    come with some arguement to have a healthy discussion, dont show us Newspaper cuttings.

    And no personal to BAWA or anybody else,

    if you are a man argue wiht him, we dont want to see a argue less GHUNDA abusing annocent people

  46. Bawa says:

    @ Believer @ Guilty

    آپکے کومنٹس کا بہت شکریہ. یہ ہمارے بڑے بھائی ہیں اور ہمارے لیے نہایت ہی قابل احترام ہیں. میں نے انکو بار بار کہا ہے کہ اگر میرے الفاظ سے آپکو تکلیف پہنچی ہے تو میں معافی مانگتا ہوں لیکن موصوف کا ہر کومنت مجھ سے شروع ہوتا ہے اور مجھ پر ہی ختم ہوتا ہے

    http://pkpolitics.com/2010/03/08/meray-mutabiq-8-march-2010/#comment-296720

  47. ConcernedAmericanPak says:

    @Believer

    Believer, I feel sorry for you that you feel a 2nd class citizen in UK. I have been to UK more than a few times and I felt it was a great fun, if you are a visitor, but to live their, it is a different story. I have been living in California since I was very young and had a ball ever since, except the health issues due to an accident.

    California has more than 50% non whites and growing. I can open my window and see the hills surrounding the valley and feel the breeze of the ocean from my house. Mostly 70 degree year around, like haven, unlike London a cold, damp and depressing city.

    I am just giving Bawa a little medicine of his own , by addressing him and telling him to talk about the issues and answer, if you are asked or you have compiling point to share. Bawa is a border line lire, he keeps mentioning that I called him names, have him prove it and post it. An anal fixation with someone is not a “Galli” word, it is a definition of a compulsive person who will litter the thread of the Maray Mutabiq each time.

    “One e-mailer writes : “Having spent almost all my life as a second class expatriate, I have no home to come back to..’”

    That is a representation of one person. London has the most undereducated and flat-out uneducated people from the Punjabi villages who are still clinging on to their mentality and wont let go and can not, due to their age. They hate the whites and the blacks, mostly “Jamaicans” and in reverse the whites and the Jamaicans despise them, the hate is mutual.

    Dear, you may mean well, I do not need your forgiveness or of a Canadian loon who has no life but to be on this thread and write in Urdu. Your attitude towards Pakistani’s living abroad is self loathing and insulting. A person who feels second class or third class citizen in Pakistan he or she will feel the same every ware.

    When I was in London doing my Pub hopping, I met a lot of whites and had heated arguments and at times I had to Physically control them for their derogatory comments about the Pakistanis. I was 21 years old and was taken to a new year party at a private club by a Pakistani youth, son of a villager from Jhelum, but born and raised in London. He was a disk jockey while finishing his Chatter Accountancy and collage, and knew a lot of people. He took me with his best friend, an Indian and a Jamaican youth with us.

    During the period we were hanging out he introduced me with some of the white British and I bought several rounds of drinks for the whole group of his friends and the people he knew. We started having a conversation about the racism issue in England, and the whites told me that the Asians own majority of the small businesses in London and have taken the job opportunities away from the whites.

    I asked him, why are you throwing patrol bombs on the Pakistani and India’s hoses instead off of the Banks and financial institutions? He was confused and said, I guess the young people are rebelling due to economics (this was early eighties). I told him that when your grand parents and parents were getting drunk every night, going out dancing, to the concerts and casing their paychecks four to five time grater than the parents and grand parents of the South Asian’s at the local pub, to payoff the tally from the last month and starting a new one, the south Asian parents were working menial jobs, sipping tea, staying home with their children, sending money back home and still putting 10, 20 pounds in the bank for a rainy day, for years and years, and with the power of compounded interest they had enough money to buy a small business, while your grand parents and parents were getting drunk, dancing the life away, getting divorces and still trying to pay the last months of the pub tally, never saved to be in that position, so why don’t you blame the banking system which put them in that position or your fucking irresponsible parents.

    I was immediately called a bully from California and they were more afraid of me than I was of them, because the racism is a blind hate for the people, you can see that on this site. You do not get rights in any country, you have to earn them and fight for them. I do not feel inferior or superior to anyone, but equal, the superiority complex is a reflection of inferiority complex. Some people are born with them.

    “I am living in the UK for more than five years and haven’t seen any normal person who has been living here for a long time (I mean 20 or more). This makes me really worried. Its not his fault. I have seen a lot of anger in this generation too.”

    This statement of yours is very subjective and full of assumptions, like what is normal to you? ”Bawa” yourself, your parents, could you describe ‘Normal” and “resentment“. I have no resentment, had a great life in Pakistan and equally good in the USA. Stop worrying about other people and go home and look at the mirror and see if you see a normal person, if you do, be happy and go do what you like to do best.

  48. ConcernedAmericanPak says:

    @Guilty,

    Listen to yourself, you sound like a GHUNDA more than me…wow, I am so scared, I will do whatever the Guilty man says…owe my lord what a man with authority.

    I am sorry that I scared you “little girl“, don’t tell me what to do and label me ‘Ghunda” you faceless nameless person. “Bawa” is a capable man to deal with me, he called Imran Khan a bad word and we had some exchange, if you have issues with me trying to educate some people than that is your personal problem. Do not read the cut and paste. I am not the keeper of the world knowledge, I do read and like to share.

    “And no personal to BAWA or anybody else,”, look who is talking, you are getting personal with me you fool and trying to tell me not to do that, your aggressive tone towards me shows a deep emotional problem you are carrying with yourself, and calling yourself Guilty, you must be guilt ridden for some abnormal behavior, you need help, stay out of other peoples matters and get help soon.

  49. ConcernedAmericanPak says:

    “Bawa” I have no problem with you, you are desperately looking for backing by random people, we can disagree and hopefully will agree on some issues. Have a good day and don’t be afraid of me, Guilty the “GHUNDA MAN” has your back…..

  50. ConcernedAmericanPak says:

    Oh my God I have developed “Bawatitis“, and engaging in tit for tat with the people, who are addressing me on the behalf of the “Bawa”, sorry guys will try to restrain, just do not get personal with me, or be prepare to be heard back…..Sorry Bawa, I had to mention you one more time, ask your “fans” to mind their own business and I will mind my own…

  51. hypocrite says:

    Interesting view point of Rafay79 sahib in his post “makaar hindu ki saazish” and very sad to see that how the followers of hindu religion are being percieved by Rafay79 sahib. So just because someone is born a muslim and some one is born a hindu, one could be percieved betetr than other.

    Rohi, thank you very much for making the difference bewteen Hindu and Indian clear.

    Why do we watch Indian programmes? If criteria of patriotism is watching or not watching Pakistani programmes than it is a very narrow criteria. We shall also try to make our products better than any competitor so that we dont have to go for any other product than ours.

    In 21st century we can beat any nation by becoming morally and economically strong. Are we there?

  52. ConcernedAmericanPak says:

    گندی گالیاں بک بک کر ابھی آپکا”

    @Bawa, I resent this, if you really want to be abused than let me know, stop saying this shit in every thread about “Gandi Gandi Galliay”, you are out of line and will regret it. One place you call me an elder brother on the same tone you have this shit coming out of your writings. You are not that important to me, just someone I had a disagreement and that’s that. If you need respect, stop begging for it or try to get it by making yourself a victim. “Victimisam” is one of the biggest problem we the Muslim people have. We are not the only victims we also victimize other people, even our own kind for being different.

  53. ConcernedAmericanPak says:

    @hypocrite said:
    Rafay 79 sahib,

    Seems that your observation about me is very true. Reading your comment again makes it clear that you were being sarcastic.

    I agree with hypocrite and just like to share my point of view….

    @Rafay 79

    My personal experience with the Hindus has been surprisingly pleasant, they are honest, helpful to the Pakistanis more than the Pakistanis to each other and are down to earth. If a Pakistani has $10,000 dollar in the bank he will act like he has millions, the Hindus will have millions but they will act humble. We have good Muslim and bad, same as Hindus, Christens, Jewish or any other religion. I understand your sarcasms and just giving my tow cents worth.

  54. Guilty says:

    ConcernedAmericanPak said:

    your aggressive tone towards me shows a deep emotional problem you are carrying with yourself

    ————————————————-

    Yes I have emotions ———I hate and cant stant BAAD-TAMEEZ and LARAKA people.

    Also I dont like fake and cut and paste people

  55. ConcernedAmericanPak says:

    @Guilty

    Yes I have emotions ———I hate and cant stant BAAD-TAMEEZ and LARAKA people.
    Also I dont like fake and cut and paste people

    You must be very emotional right now, and acting like a douchebag (“Someone who has surpassed the levels of jerk and asshole, however not yet reached fu**er or motherf***er”, “cut and paste“)

    You can not stand people, so what do you do about that, become worse than them? Go in a corner and cry like a little girl or start verbally abusing them and order them to behave.

    I told you that you have serious emotional problems and you are not even making sense.

    Lets try to help my “guilty to be alive” disgruntle man/woman or whatever. First of all you are getting emotionally “constipated” for “Bawa”, why?

    Listen to yourself you cry baby, “I don’t like fake and cut and paste people?”You like real people so you can sit on their lap and express your emotional side? What the hell are you saying?

    Guilty party, do you want me to be a good person and give my other cheek for your emotional rescue? I will fight to defend myself, you little girly BAAD-TAMEEZ and LARAKA man.

  56. Bawa says:

    @ConcernedAmericanPak
    Bawa, You are not that important to me, just someone I had a disagreement and that’s that. If you need respect, stop begging for it or try to get it by making yourself a victim. “Victimisam” is one of the biggest problem we the Muslim people have.

    بزرگو. میں آپکے لیے کتنا اہم ہوں اسکا اندازہ آپ اپنے ایک ماہ کے کومنٹس (گالیوں) سے لگا سکتے ہیں. موجودہ تھریڈ ہی کو لے لیجیے. ان کومنٹس کو چھوڑ کر جو آپ نے انٹرنیٹ کی مختلف ویب سائیٹس سے کاپی پیسٹ کیے ہیں، تمام کے تمام کومنٹس میں مجھے بالواسطہ یا بلا واسطہ نشانہ بنایا گیا ہے حالانکہ میں نے یہاں ایسے کوئی کومنٹس نہیں دیے تھے جس پر آپ کو کچھ لکھنے کی ضرورت پڑتی

    http://pkpolitics.com/2010/03/17/ban-on-indian-channels/#comment-298220
    http://pkpolitics.com/2010/03/17/ban-on-indian-channels/#comment-298226
    http://pkpolitics.com/2010/03/17/ban-on-indian-channels/#comment-298399
    http://pkpolitics.com/2010/03/17/ban-on-indian-channels/#comment-298409
    http://pkpolitics.com/2010/03/17/ban-on-indian-channels/#comment-298412
    http://pkpolitics.com/2010/03/17/ban-on-indian-channels/#comment-298413
    http://pkpolitics.com/2010/03/17/ban-on-indian-channels/#comment-298458

    آپ نے مجھے تختہ مشق اس لیے بنایا ہوا ہے کہ آپ جانتے ہیں کہ میں بڑوں کی عزت کرتا ہوں اور گالیوں کا جواب گالیوں میں نہیں دونگا. کسی شریف آدمی کے لیے اتنی گندی گالیاں برداشت کر لینا بہت دل گردے کا کام ہوتا ہے. اگر میں آپکے لیے اہم نہیں ہوں تو جان بخشی کیجئیے تاکہ میں بھی سکوں کا سانس لے سکوں. بہت شکریہ

  57. Bawa says:

    @ConcernedAmericanPak

    اور ہاں. مجھے عزت کے لیے کسی انسان سے بھیک مانگنے کی ضرورت نہیں. انسان کی حیثیت ہی کیا ہے. میرا خدا مجھے عزت دینے والا ہے. میں اسی سے عزت کی بھیک مانگتا ہوں

  58. mirzanadeembaig says:

    ایک” دُکھی“ پاکستانی لیڈر کی بارسلونا یاترا
    پاکستانی قوم اسوقت بے شمارگردابوں میں گھری ہوئی ہے، نادان حکمرانوں کے غلط فیصلو ں نے امریکی جنگ کو اپنی جنگ قرار دیکر جنت نظیر وطن عزیز کوجہنم بنا دیا ہے ۔ایک جانب امریکی ڈرون حملے آئے روز گھروں کے گھر اجاڑ رہے ہیں تو دوسری جانب دہشت گردی کا عفریت قریباََ ہر صبح میرے وطن کے بے گناہ اور معصوم باسیوں کو نگلے جا رہا ہے۔ایک جانب حکومتی ایوانوں میں آئے روز پر تکلف ظہرانوں ،عشائیوں اور دعوتوں میں حکومتی بیت المال کے ہزاروں یا لاکھوں نہیں کروڑوں روپے اڑ رہے ہیں تو دوسری جانب آٹے اور چینی کے حصول کے لئے چلچلاتی دھوپ میں لگی لمبی قطاروں میں کئی محنت کش نوجوان اور ادھیڑ عمر افراد جان کی بازی ہا ر جا تے ہیںاو ر کئی خواتین پورا پورا دن خود اور اپنے معصوم بچوں کو بھوکا پیاسا رکھ کر شام کو سٹاک ختم ہونے کااعلان سن کر اگلے روز امید لگا کر گھروں کو لوٹ جا تی ہیں،ظلم در ظلم پورا دن انکی چادر اور حرمت کا کئی مرتبہ تقدس پامال ہو تا ہے۔ایک طرف حکمرانوں کے کتوں،بلیوںاور گھوڑوں کے علاج اور معالجے او ر انکی بہتر نگہداشت پر روپیہ پانی کی طرح بہہ جاتا ہے تو دوسری جانب بنی آدم یعنی انسان دوائی نہ ملنے پر اس جہان فانی کو داغ مفا رقت دے جاتا ہے،یا کئی بستر مرگ پر ایڑیا ں رگڑ رگڑ کر مر جا تے ہیں ان میں کئی گھروں کے واحد کفیل ہو تے ہیں اور اپنے ساتھ ساتھ اپنے کنبے کو بھی موت کی دہلیز پر کھڑا کر جا تے ہیں۔
    معصوم پاکستانی عوام کے روشن مستقبل کے دعوے توہر روزکئے جاتے ہیں مگرحال لوڈشیڈنگ سے تاریک ہے اور اس تاریکی میں روز بروز اضافہ ہو رہا ہے،اس آسیب سے بچی کھچی صنعت کا پہیہ بھی رک گیا ہے ، فیصل آبادمیں ٹیکسٹائل ،گجرات میں پنکھا سازی ،گوجرانوالہ میں سینٹری اور واشنگ مشین ،سیالکوٹ میں سپورٹس اور سرجیکل ،قصور میں چمڑہ سازی غرض لاہور ،کراچی ،راولپنڈی ،پشاور،کوئٹہ اور ہربڑے اور چھوٹے شہر کی فیکٹریوںپر تالے اور ان فیکٹریوں کی چمنیوںسے دھواں نکلنا بند ہو گیا ہے ،کاروباری مراکز میں ہو کا عالم ہے۔مہنگائی کا جن بھی بوتل سے باہر آگیا ہے اور عام آدمی کی قوت خرید سے تعیشیات تو دور کی بات بنیادی ضروریات زندگی کاخریدنا بھی مشکل ترین ہو گیا ہے تودوسری جانب میرے وطن کے حکمرانوں اور سیاست دانوں کے اثاثے اور کاروبارمسلسل انڈے اور بچے دینے میں مصروف ہیں ،لیڈروں کے کاروباراور جائیدادوں کی وسعتیں چاروں اطراف میں َ”جنگل کی آگ“کی طرح پھیل رہی ہیں۔وطن عزیز میں معصوم بچے بغیر چھت کے سکولوں میں تعلیم لینے سے بھی قاصر ہو تے جا رہے ہیںاور دوسری جانب میرے لیڈروں کے شہزادے امریکہ ،کینڈااور برطانیہ کے اعلیٰ اور انتہائی مہنگے سکولوں،کالجوں اور یونیورسٹیوں میں زیور تعلیم سے آراستہ ہو رہے ہیں۔پڑھے لکھے نوجوان ہاتھوں میں ڈگریاں اٹھائے بیروز گاری کے بے رحم تھپیڑوں کی زد میں ہیں۔کوئی لخت جگر بیچنے پر مجبور ہے تو کوئی اپنی بیٹی کا سوداگر بن گیا ہے توکوئی گھر کا سر براہ بننے کی بجائے حالات کے ہاتھوں گھر والوں کیلئے جلاد بن گیا ہے،کوئی اپنی جوانی کو خود موت کی وادی میں اتار رہا ہے۔ غریب محنت کش کی جوان بیٹیاں جہیز کی لعنت کی وجہ سے بن بیاہی رہ جا تی ہیںتو دوسری جانب میرے لیڈروں کے عزیزوں کے جنازوں،قل ،چہلم اور برسیوں پر کروڑوں اڑ جاتے ہیںاور ”خانواں دے خان پروہنے“کے مصداق یہ تقریبات بھی سوسائٹی کے وڈیروں کے لئے
    رہ گئیں ہیںان میں پہلے قرآن خوانی کیلئے بیٹھ کر غریب بھی شکم سیری کر لیا کرتاتھامگر اب کہاں۔صوبوں کی حالت زار دیکھیں توبلوچستان میں حکمرانوں کی غلطیوںسے سازشیں پل رہی ہیں،سرحد میں فوجی آپریشن جاری ہے،سندھ میںکبھی ٹارگٹ کلنگ،کبھی گینگ وار،کبھی لسانی فسادات اورکبھی دنگا فسادکی وبا ءپھیل جاتی ہے،پنجاب میںآئے روز خود کش حملوں کے واقعات معمول بن گئے ہیںمگر حکمران ہیں ذاتی اللے تللے،اقتدار کی چیھنا جھپٹی اورذاتی مفادات کیلئےمصروف عمل ہیں۔
    لیڈروں کے چہروں کو دیکھیں گال انگاروں کی طرح چمک رہے ہیں،آنکھیں خوشی سے دمک رہی ہوتی ہیں،جسم ہیں کہ پھول ہی نہیں روز بروز پھیل بھی رہے ہیں،چہرے ہیں مسکراہٹوں کے گلدستے بنے ہوئے ہیں۔قوم کا تن بدن بے لباس ہونے کو ہے اور میرے وطن کے لیڈر صبح سے شام تک کئی قبائیں بدلنے کی قدرت رکھتے ہیں۔قوم پینے کے پا نی کی بوند بوند کو ترس رہی ہے اور لیڈروں کے محلات کی خوبصورتی کو دوبالا کر نے کے لئے نت نئے فوارے صبح سے شام تک اپنے دلفریب نظارے دکھا رہے ہیں۔غریب عوام کے زندگی بھاری سے بھاری بوجھ بنتی جا رہی ہے اور دوسری جانب لیڈروں کی زندگیاں دنیا ہی میں جنت کی مانند گزر رہی ہے۔آئے روز بم دھماکے غریبوں کے بدنوں کے چیتھڑے اڑا رہے ہوتے اور دوسری جانب حکومتی ایوان میلوں دور سے حصاروں اور فیصلوں میں گھرے ہو ئے ہیں،سیکورٹی فورسز عوام کو بے یارو مدد گار چھوڑ کرلیڈروں یعنی” ظل سبحانوں“ کی ہٹو بچو میں لگی ہو ئی ہے۔پانی اور بجلی نہیں ،صنعتیں نہ ہونے کے برابر ہیں،علاج اور معالجے کی سہولتیں نہیں،گیس بھی ناپید ہوتی جا رہی ہے،ماحول کی پراگندگی بے مثال ہے،داخلی صورتحال انتہائی مخدوش ہے مگر اسکے باوجود وزیر بجلی اور پانی،وزیر صنعت ،وزیر صحت ، وزیرگیس،وزیر ماحولیات اوروزیر داخلہ جیسے بہروپئے موجود ہیں۔
    وطن عزیز کے لیڈروں کی مانندابھی دو روز پہلے ایک” دکھی سیاستدان“اور لیڈرشیخ رشید احمد اپنی انتخابی سیاست میں ناکامی اور اس سے بڑھکر انتخابی مہم کے دوران ہونے والے قاتلانہ حملے میں ہلاک ہو جانےوالے”تین جانثاروں “اور” دو زخمی جانثاروں“ کے غم کو بھلانے کیلئے یورپ آئے اور سپین کو بھی اپنی ”زیارتکاشرف“بخشا۔موصوف بارسلونامیں غالباَ پانچ روز رہے اور کسی موقع پر بھی وہ غمزدہ نظر نہیں نظر آئے ہاں جب وہ کسی مجلس میں تشریف فرما ہوتے یا کسی عوامی اجتماع میں خطابت کے جوہر دکھا رہے ہوتے تو انہیں اپنے اوپر ہونیوالا قاتلانہ حملہ اور اپنے ہلاک ہو جا نیوالے ساتھی بھی یاد آجاتے ورنہ خود ساختہ عوامی لیڈرخوشی خوشی بارسلونا کی گلیوں،بازاروں اور شاپنگ مالز کے اندر گھومتے پھرتے ہی دیکھے گئے یالوگوں سے واہ واہ کرواتے،ظہرانے اور عشائیے اڑاتے ہی نظر آئے یا ہوٹل کی لابی میں دوستوں اور مداحوںکے درمیان بیٹھ کر مہنگے سگاروں کے کش لگاتے پائے گئے یا اپنی انتخابی ناکامی کا ذمہ دار پاکستانی چینلز اور انکے اینکرز کو قراردیتے سنے گئے ۔
    کیا ہی بہتر ہوتا کہ شیخ صاحب اپنے مرحوم ساتھیوں کی مغفرت اور اپنے زخمی ساتھیوں کی صحت کی دعا کیلئے خانہ خدا اور بارگاہ رسالت ماب ﷺکا رخ کرتے مگر موصوف شاید براستہ یورپ سعودی عرب جائیں مگر میرا یہ گمان ، گمان ہی رہا جب پتہ چلا کہ وہ توپی آئی اے کی ڈائریکٹ فلائٹ پر پاکستان چلے گئے ہیں۔مگر ہاں یاد آیا کہ ہمارے لیڈرسرکاری خرچ پر عمرے اور حج بھی” شکرانے “کے لئے یا ”دکھاوے“ کے لئے کر تے ہیںاس میں بھی وہ اپنے جانثاروں اور چاہنے والوں کو کیونکر یاد رکھیں،ہاں شیخ صاحب کو راولپنڈی کے عوام ایوان اقتدارمیں پہنچا دیتے تووہ لازماََسعودی عرب جاتے اب تو انتخابات میںاللہ کا فضل وکرم ہوا ہی نہیں توپھرشکر کیسا؟(معاذاللہ)۔ہمارے لیڈروں کی اللہ سے بھی یاری خوشی میں ہے غمی میں کون اسے یاد کرے ،غم تو دنیا کی رنگنیاں دور کرتی ہیں۔شاید اسی لئے شیخ رشید احمد یورپ کی ”پوتر“یاتر ا پر نکلے تھے۔
    مرزا ندیم بیگ،بارسلونا

  59. zalmay says:

    I think awareness for our public, about the adverse impacts of watching objectional content on various channels is should be emphasised.
    I cannot say anything about the role of a government as there is none in pakistan at the moment. The present so called government of Jiyalay and co would do whatever threatens our existance as a nation i.e, NRO, WOT, KL Bill , worst Inflation in our history, Loadshedding and ‘ZARDARI’ the ‘biggest thief in the world’ as our president.
    The intelligensia should come out of the hiding and try to guide the masses to face these challenges.
    @Guilty
    Your Godfather and other like minded fellows got nothing to offer except spreading disinformation and discouragement. You guys are no where near Concerned American Pak. You think its easy to get those cuttings from newspaper or whatever source, no way , i think its CAPak vision and intelligence which makes him find such useful (authentic, relevent) information. please don’t try to discourage fellows on the forum who really are doing great job to educate and inform all of us. If you and Bawa don’t understand what CApak is writing about ask somebody else to explain it to you as you give an impression over here that you are some kind of a retard who just wants to contaminate our minds.

  60. Nice to hear something positive from our corrupt politicians.

    Although freedom of speech is a good thing but we also have to keep our traditions & moral values alive.

    If you ask a common man about our enemy “India” most would say we should be friends but at the same time be at level with India. Indians rightly for them do not want Pakistan to dominate them, and the same should be true for us Pakistanis also. Having said that we hate Indian policies (not India) just like we hate American policies (not America).

    Most of our ppl watch Indian movies & dramas which are a source of slow poisoning in our society since long. Had India allowed Pakistani channels in their country the case would have been different, but in the current scenario the decision to ban their channels is a just decision. I would further suggest to ban their movies also knowing that black marketing of their movies on CD is not controllable at government level. For that we have to create awareness among our society so that demand of such movies is not enough to make it a profitable business. In our society to improve, we must do many things at our personal level as we cannot expect everything from our corrupt incompetent govt. I am of the opinion that evils like corruption, black marketing, electricity theft & commodity prices etc can be controlled if we create awareness in our society to care for others. Our religion also tells us not to show-off our wealth and control our expenses. This is not for poor ppl but for those who can afford to pay high. Do we think that we are following our religion?

    In the end I would say that we must ban Indian channels but at the same time we must also stop advertisements of “condoms” & “always” just before the start of news or talk shows or other family programs where there is a chance of all the family sitting & watching TV. Such ads put ppl in an embarrassing situation sometimes.

  61. shakeelbajwa says:

    If I have to choose between a programme on BB NRO Waali and Indian Drama, I will watch Indian Drama.
    If I have to choose between a Islamic Lesson given by Maulana Diesel or lesson given by Hindu Pandit, I will listen to Hindu Pundit on Indian Channel.
    If I have to select the best person among Altaf Bhutta Khor, Puttar of Wali Khan, 10% Khor, Bijli Chor or Manmohan Singh, I will choose Manmohan Singh speech on Indian Channel.
    If I have to watch ‘ ishqia’ drama from a stupid novel on our Pakistani Channel, I will prefer the Indian Channel.
    If I have to choose between Najam Sethi, Nazir Naji, Nusrat Javed I will watch some Indian presenter on Indian Channel.
    but
    .
    but
    .
    If I have to choose between Indian Channel or programme consisting of Faisal Raza Abidi…..I will choose Faisal Raza Abidi……because this stupid, junglee and jahil nation will vote for Faisal Raza Abidi and also Rehman Malik, Babar Awan, Fauzia Wahaab.
    But we will not vote for Imran Khan.
    So don’t ban Indian Channels.

  62. Bawa says:

    @ zalmay
    Guilty, If you and Bawa don’t understand what CApak is writing about ask somebody else to explain it to you as you give an impression over here that you are some kind of a retard who just wants to contaminate our minds.

    برادرم. اگر میں انکی پچھلے ایک ماہ کی گالیاں یہاں کاپی پیسٹ کر دوں تو کیا آپ اسکی وضاحت کرنا پسند کریں گے؟ کیونکہ آپ انکے کومنٹس کو بہت بہتر طریقے سے سمجھ رہے ہیں. میرا خیال ہے اگر کسی میں ذرا سی بھی شرم و حیا موجود ہے تو وہ ان کومنٹس کو پڑھکر کانوں کو ہاتھ لگائے بغیر نہیں رہ سکے گا

  63. Why don’t we (Pakistani) make better programs than Indian channels so we can beat them with quality? During the 70’s and 80 Japanese started making better cars so they were able to beat American & European cars. Today Toyota is world’s largest car producer.
    Banning channels is NOT the solution. We should beat their programs with our own quality programs.

  64. ALi Ch says:

    shakeelbajwa said:
    If I have to choose between a programme on BB NRO Waali and Indian Drama, I will watch Indian Drama.
    If I have to choose between a Islamic Lesson given by Maulana Diesel or lesson given by Hindu Pandit, I will listen to Hindu Pundit on Indian Channel.
    If I have to select the best person among Altaf Bhutta Khor, Puttar of Wali Khan, 10% Khor, Bijli Chor or Manmohan Singh, I will choose Manmohan Singh speech on Indian Channel.
    If I have to watch ‘ ishqia’ drama from a stupid novel on our Pakistani Channel, I will prefer the Indian Channel.
    If I have to choose between Najam Sethi, Nazir Naji, Nusrat Javed I will watch some Indian presenter on Indian Channel.
    but
    .
    but
    .
    If I have to choose between Indian Channel or programme consisting of Faisal Raza Abidi…..I will choose Faisal Raza Abidi……because this stupid, junglee and jahil nation will vote for Faisal Raza Abidi and also Rehman Malik, Babar Awan, Fauzia Wahaab.
    But we will not vote for Imran Khan.
    So don’t ban Indian Channels.

    @ shakeelbajwa

    شکیل باجوہ صاحب اپنے والدین کے بارے میں کیا خیال ہے کیوں کہ آپ کے والدین کا تعلق بھی اسی سٹوپڈ جنگلی اور جاہل پاکستانی قوم سے ہے جس کو آپ کافی دنوں سے گالیاں دے رہے ہیں

    قلمہ گو اور پتھر کی پوجا کرنے والوں میں بہوت فرق ہوتا ہے اپنے بیان پر ذرا توجہ فرمایے گا

    آپ کے خیالات جان کر ایسا محسوس ہوتا ہے جیسے آپ غلط مُلک میں پیدا ہو گۓ ہیں بگھوان کرے آپ کا اگلا جنم انڈیا میں ہو

    رہا سوال عمران خان کا اگر وہ آپ کے کومنٹس پڑ لے تو آپ کو مرغا بنا کر آپ کی خوب چھترول کرے

    آخر میں آپ سے اپیل ہے کہ مہربانی فرما کر پاکستانی قوم کو گالیاں دینا بند کر دیں

  65. ALi Ch says:

    shakeelbajwa said:

    If I have to choose between Indian Channel or programme consisting of Faisal Raza Abidi…..I will choose Faisal Raza Abidi……because this stupid, junglee and jahil nation will vote for Faisal Raza Abidi and also Rehman Malik, Babar Awan, Fauzia Wahaab.
    But we will not vote for Imran Khan.
    So don’t ban Indian Channels.

    @ shakeelbajwa

    اپنی معلومات میں اضافہ کر لیں یہ لوگ سینیٹر ہیں آپ عمران صاحب کو مشورہ دیں کہ کسی پارٹی میں شمولیت اختیار کر لیں کم از کم سینیٹر تو بن جائیں گے یا پھر فوج کا انتظار کرو

  66. *RhyMe* says:

    Will the cable operators really gonna implement this law to stop showing indian channels in Pakistan?…in past too,there were such rumors or news about banning indian channels but the ppl in authority were only able to force cable operators from few cities to follow this law and only for few months….after that indian channels were again there to spoil our young nd old minds who are blindly in love with them…i demand a complete ban on all indian channels forever like our channels are banned in india….it should be a “tit for tat” game!

  67. shakeelbajwa says:

    @Ali-Ch

    If I have to choose betwwn Ali-Ch and Zardari & Nawaz Sharif ,…..I will choose Ali-Ch, because He will vote for the same stupid, junglee and jahil candidates, as this nation has done in the bye-elections last two weeks.
    We must be very clear on one thing and that is so far as Zardari runs the Country there is absolutely NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO chance that Indian Channels will be banned. Because next day Zardari is going to say that ‘Oh, it…was….a…. technical…..error’

  68. Bawa says:

    @ ALi Ch

    علی بھائی. آپ سمجھدار آدمی ہیں. کیوں آپ ایسے لوگوں سے الجھ جاتے ہیں جو اپنی ناکامیوں کا غصہ پاکستان، پاکستانی قوم حتی کہ قائد اعظم پر نکالنے سے گریز نہیں کرتے. یہ لوگ اسی قوم کو گالیاں دیتے ہیں اور اسی قوم سے ووٹ کی بھیک مانگتے ہیں

  69. Tahira Naqvi says:

    Let’s not promote a culture of censorship. That is not what democracy is about. Let’s ask ourselves instead what we’re doing for children. Where are the children’s programs? Music, cartoons, dramas, educational programs — where are they? We transfer blame on Indian media for our own shortcomings. Let’s fight this in a productive manner, by creating substantial and quality children’s programming. Banning is a bad move, one that speaks of a people who have no creativity.

  70. *RhyMe* says:

    @TahirNaqvi

    Ok if today we improve ourself to produce quality programms for our audience,would you still allow 20 and more indian entertainment channels to run on our cable networks when in india they have adopted this policy,for many years, not to show pakistani channels there?…what’s ur point here? why do you want our people to get obsessed so much with indian influence,their culture,hinduism etc etc… when they have never consider us their friend….just look at their nonseriousness,their attitude towards existing matters between the two countries?….we should treat them the way they are treating us…..we are two neighbouring countries…India doesn’t have to rule over us…..please stop making us their slaves…

  71. Bawa says:

    @ *RhyMe*

    ہم کس کس ملک کے چینلز بند کریں گے؟ ہمیں اپنے پروگراموں کا معیار بلند کرنا ہوگا. چینلز بند کرنے سے کچھ حاصل نہیں ہوگا کیونکہ دنیا گلوبل ولج میں تبدیل ہو چکی ہے اور ہم دنیا سے الگ تھلگ ہو کر نہیں رہ سکتے. ایک زمانہ تھا انڈیا والے ہمارے ڈراموں اور پروگراموں کا انتظار کیا کرے تھے. اب ایسا کیوں نہیں ہو سکتا؟ کیا ہماری ثقافت جھوٹ پر مبنی ہے جو ہم دوسروں سے ڈر رہے ہیں؟ کیوں نہ ہم اپنی ثقافت دنیا میں متعارف کروائیں؟ پوری دنیا میں ہر روز سینکڑوں لوگ مسلمان ہو رہے ہیں تو پھر ہم کیوں خوفزدہ ہیں؟ شاید ہم محنت نہیں کرنا چاہتے اور اپنا معیار نہیں بڑھانا چاہتے

  72. ConcernedAmericanPak says:

    @RhyMe*

    “they have adopted this policy,for many years, not to show pakistani channels”

    I agree with you that if India is not playing Pak channels…..

    “Do the Indian’s allow the Pakistan TV to be watched, including the dramas in India, if the answer is no, than it does make a political sense to ban theirs.”

    I have first hand experience with the Indian communities total lack of understanding about the Pakistan. They do not watch the Pakistan TV and no Indian has ever mentioned to watch our channel on satellite, they only subscribe Indian channels. Compare to them a lot of Pakistani subscribe the Indian channels in the USA.

    The Geo TV, after every massacre , holocaust of the poor people on daily basses ends the horrible news with the Bollywood or Hollywood flicks, which makes me sick to my stomach. I chose not to watch the Indian channels to keep my children away from the Indian cultural influence in a very young age.

    During the Bombay hotel incident, I was invited to a Sikh wedding and was shocked by the conversations of the Indians, especially the Sikh community. They did not know that I was a Muslim or Pakistani. At the end, I did not eat dinner and confronted the group of more than 200 hostile Indians and defended Pakistan and was able to ask them about the dozens of insurgencies in India, the role of India in Afghanistan, the Indian behavior in Kashmir, Baluchistan and Pakistan in general.

    You may have noticed, that I can hold my own, have been dealing with a Pak of trolls and their mother, “Bawa Galli wala“, “hii app nay mujay gali di, may kan paker ker roo rahha hoon”.

  73. adnanvisa says:

    @Rhyme

    India has banned news channels not entertainment; and if their normal channels are showing programs against pakistan then we shud ban that too. But the fact is… banning channels or not.. those who are privliged ..like they hv internet.. they will c that any way… so why are we restricting ppl who dnt hv thses luxuries…. why again create a divide….
    entertainment channels shud not be banned.. movies shud not be banned.. those who say they r vulgar are simply fools…. may be they havent seen paksitani movies… admit the fact bollywood does produce some class acts… and also some really shit stuff.. but im sorry to say paksitani movies are all about shit stuffff….

  74. ZEE says:

    what irrelevant arguements people are giving here

    that we should not ban but promote ourselves and compete

    point is

    who is stopping you to promote yourselves

    you are free to do everything but in islamic boundaries

    and the point of discussion is vulgarity which indian media is promoting

    and there is no point of competing someone for vulgarity

    if you want to keep the cometetion open

    then why you people put parental locks on your internet and some specific tv channels

    why you don’t allow children to watch that

    this is hypocrisy

    and main point is,to stop the vulgarity,not just the indian media

    indian culture is not so strong that one should worry about

    but its vulgarity which affects chlidren

  75. adnanvisa says:

    @ZEE
    then why you people put parental locks on your internet and some specific tv channels

    why you don’t allow children to watch that

    this is hypocrisy

    :D::D:D:Dthnks zee for teh amusement i got with this comment… u dnt allow children to have sex or talk abt it.. but adults do it.. :D:D:D… this is hypocrisy… there is a level of understanding of each age group.. ever heard the concept of program ratings… this is missing in paksitan where adults watch these programs with childrens.. when they shud not be doing this…. so parents are to be blamed for this… but please do keep posting such amusing comments… its a very different view point..quite humorous

  76. Bawa says:

    @ ConcernedAmericanPak
    Rhyme, You may have noticed, that I can hold my own, have been dealing with a Pak of trolls and their mother, “Bawa Galli wala“, “hii app nay mujay gali di, may kan paker ker roo rahha hoon”.

    بزرگو. آپکی کسی پوسٹ میں سے میرا نام کہیں مس نہ ہو جائے. دھیان رکھئیے گا

  77. pearl says:

    yes there MUST n must be a banne on indian drama channels…but indian news should not be banned

    @bawa

    bawa ji ye “conecrened american pak” to aap ke peeche he parhe gea hai..LOL…i think he realy likes u..seems like day n night he only thinks about u…

  78. Bawa says:

    @ pearl
    bawa ji ye “conecrened american pak” to aap ke peeche he parhe gea hai..LOL…i think he realy likes u..seems like day n night he only thinks about u…

    بہن جی. بڑی خطر ناک صورتحال ہے. لگتا ہے جلد جان نہیں چھوٹے گی. وہ خود کہتے ہیں کہ

    Oh my God I have developed “Bawatitis“

  79. ConcernedAmericanPak says:

    @ Dear pearl,

    “seems like day n night he only thinks about u”

    I can understand your observation because Bawa has a male bonding and a Gay( happy) side in him. Look at some of his poetry examples. My hackling of Bawa could get confused with the ‘Bawa’s” romantic side….

    Bawa said:
    @ propolitics @ canada1

    لوٹ آو

    لوٹ آو کہ آج پھر چاند پورا ہے
    لوٹ آو کہ تم بن یہ جیون ادھورا ہے

    کیا بتاوں کہ کتنی شدت سے یاد آتے ہو
    کیوں میری آنکھیں بن بادل برساتے ہو

    میرا دل تو نہ جانے کب سے چپ رہا ہے
    لوٹ آو کہ چاند سمندر کی گلیوں میں چھپ رہا ہے

    لوٹ آو کہ تم بن بہاریں اداس ہیں
    تمہاری سب نشانیاں ابھی تک میرے پاس ہیں

    لوٹ آو کہ ابھی تک پہاڑوں پر برف جمی ہے
    ساری دنیا ہے بس تمہاری ہی کمی ہے

    لوٹ آو کہ تم ہی دلِ حجت کا انتخاب ہو
    لوٹ آو کہ تم ہی میری ہر غزل کا انتساب ہو

    supercreature said:
    @Bawa@propolitics
    لوٹ آو کہ آج پھر چاند پورا ہے
    پیار کے فسانے میں باب یہ جدائی کا
    This is how people waste time in offices ….
    19 March 2010 at 4:40 pm
    Bawa said:
    @ propolitics

    نوازش کرم شکریہ مہربانی
    مجھے بخش دی آپ نے زندگائی

    Bawa said:
    کوئی ویرانی سی ویرانی ہے

    دشت کو دیکھ کے گھر یاد آیا

    پھر تیرے کوچے کو جاتا ہے خیال

    دلِ گم گشتہ، مگر، یاد آیا

    “bawa’s” dark side…..

    Bawa said:
    @ zunaib
    I see lot of intelligent people post their comments on this program including Bawa, Propolitics, Mujtaba Ali, SM Movement, True Man, Zahid Bhai, Imtiaz, Azam Khan, Nike, Concerned American Pak and number of others …

    بھائی جی. کیا ظلم کر رہے ہیں. مجھے بھی انٹیلیجنٹ لوگوں کی لسٹ میں شامل کر لیا ہے. شاید آپ نے وہ کومنٹس نہیں پڑھے

    ConcernedAmericanPak said:

    Bawa, Bawa a black Sheep,
    Have you any shame?

    http://pkpolitics.com/2010/03/15/meray-mutabiq-15-march-2010/#comment-297777
    16 March 2010

  80. ConcernedAmericanPak says:

    For those people who can not read Urdu on this English website, I will do an honor to translate some love songs Bawa wrote for his male bonding, to show his Gay (happy) side towards his gang of likeminded people or in case of canada1, his Canadian “friends”? I will do one, upon request can translate others also.

    ‘Bawa” is a hopeless romantic and a nice man with female sensitive side toward his male “friends”.

    Bawa to @ propolitics @ canada1 with tender love….

    لوٹ آو

    Comeback (my love)

    لوٹ آو کہ آج پھر چاند پورا ہے
    لوٹ آو کہ تم بن یہ جیون ادھورا ہے
    Comeback, today there is a full moon
    Comeback, without you this life in incomplete
    کیا بتاوں کہ کتنی شدت سے یاد آتے ہو
    کیوں میری آنکھیں بن بادل برساتے ہو
    Cant tell you how hard I miss you
    Why you drop like tears from my eyes
    میرا دل تو نہ جانے کب سے چپ رہا ہے
    لوٹ آو کہ چاند سمندر کی گلیوں میں چھپ رہا ہے
    Don’t know how long my hart has been silent
    Comeback, the moon is hiding in the lanes(waves) of the ocean
    لوٹ آو کہ تم بن بہاریں اداس ہیں
    تمہاری سب نشانیاں ابھی تک میرے پاس ہیں
    Comeback, my spring seasons are sad without you
    I still have all your memorabilia in my possession
    لوٹ آو کہ ابھی تک پہاڑوں پر برف جمی ہے
    ساری دنیا ہے بس تمہاری ہی کمی ہے
    Comeback , the hills are still snowy
    Have all the world, only thing missing, is you
    وٹ آو کہ تم ہی دلِ حجت کا انتخاب ہو
    لوٹ آو کہ تم ہی میری ہر غزل کا انتساب ہو
    Comeback, you are the favorite of my hart
    Comeback, you are the subject matter of all my poems

  81. time says:

    @ConcernedAmericanPak

    “At the end, I did not eat dinner and confronted the group of more than 200 hostile Indians and defended Pakistan and was able to ask them about the dozens of insurgencies in India, the role of India in Afghanistan, the Indian behavior in Kashmir, Baluchistan and Pakistan in general. ”

    I am just curious what ‘d have happened if you had eaten dinner?

  82. ConcernedAmericanPak says:

    @time

    My friend you must be a very curious young kid and had a habit of asking adults questions, which had no relevance to the situation on hand. Your parents had the responsibility to teach you that you do not need to be curious about the situation out of your hand and try to mind your own business.

    Just remember, curiosity killed the cat.

  83. ConcernedAmericanPak says:

    “I am just curious what ‘d have happened if you had eaten dinner?’

    @time, with a small t (small ts??) Since you wont leave me alone, let me be honest, if I would have eaten dinner that day, I may have taken shit earlier than later the next day? This is the only biological answer for you, if you need more detail about my dinner habits and processing the food, I can help you with your curiosity or your “hero” ”Bawa” the Gay (happy) doctor probably an expert on the colon food movements. I hope this helped.

  84. devaa41 says:

    baat hai sach magar baat hai ruswai ki…. Hamare apne channels indians ke channels se bhi 2 hath aagay hain. magar sirf media ko hi ilzam dena bhi drust nahi ho ga. Mujhe achi tarah yaad hai ke jab hum chautay hotay thay to school se aane ke baad hamari maa hamain quran parne ke liye behgti thi aur raat ko sone se pehle 6 kalmay aur aakhri 10 surtain sunti thi aur sath main yeh naseehat bhi ke beta ghalt kaam koi bhi karo ge to Allah se nahi bacho ge. Woh har jagga har waqt har aadmi ko dekhta hai. Yeh ahsas waqt ke sath sath hamare sath hi barta gaya aur aaj bhi dimagh agar ghalt kaam ka sochta hai to pehli baat yehi zehn main aati hai nahi wo pak parwardegar dekh raha hai aur is ghalat kaam ki saza de ga to kaddam khud bakhud ruk jatay hain. Issi liye Hazur (SAW) ne kasrat se maut ko yaad kerne ka kaha hai.
    Kehne ka maqsad yeh hai ke aaj ki nasal ki woh tarbiyat hi nahi ho rahi jo un ko accha insan banae. School (English Medium) se wapas aae to tution parne jao wapas aao home work karo baad main koi drama dekho aur so jao.
    Allah kaun hai, Islam kya, Namaz roza kis bala ka naam hai un ko kuch nahi patta. Jo time bach jae us main computer games (Voilent) ya music waghaira se hi shaghaf hota hai. Aise main mohashra bigre ga nahi to kya ho ga.
    Insan ko Gunah kerne se dunya ki koi taqat nahi rok sakti magar sirf Khuda ka khauf aik aisi cheez hai jo insan ko jurm kerne se rokta hai. issi liye to Iqbal ne kaha tha “Tum sab kuch ho bolo musalman bhi ho” Hamain khuda ne dunya ko seehda raasta dikhane ka kaha tha aur hum khud hi raasta bhatak gae hain. Maut sar pe khari hai magar Khuda ka koi khauff nahi bas bani Israel ki tarah tasalli de letay hain ke ham to Rab ki pyari aur ladli makhlooq hain hamain to woh bakhsh hi de ga laikun yeh bhool jatay hain ke bandon ke haqooq Allah kabhi muaff nahin kerta agar ke woh insan khud na muaff ker de jis ke sath ziadati huee ho.
    Allah hum sab ko hadayat de aur sahi musalman ban nay ki himmat ata farmae AAMEENN…….

  85. ConcernedAmericanPak says:

    I used to help people to develop an educated point of view by providing them information and different ways to look at an issue, now I have been spending time fending of this pack of dogs of me.

    This group of subhuman’s have sold their soul for some money and are relentless to defend their pay masters with any means possible. They will attack you, your family, cancer victims or even their mother if the price is right.

    We must confront them and not be afraid of these sub humans. They take pride in attacking individuals like a pack of mad dogs and try to make them leave the site to defend their masters.

    Troll watch….
    The trolls,
    @Bawa, the head troll
    @Tmukhtar, the biggest liar
    @propolitics, a decent person at times, but troll for some reason.
    @time a shameless, soulless human garbage
    @freemason
    @Ali CH, the most hideous and repulsive
    @baynaampunjabi, the 2nd most hideous and repulsive
    @bachari-awam, the 3rd most hideous and repulsive
    @smsupportmovement, a class of his own
    @rule flaw, allergic to yellow color?

    “What is a troll?”.

    In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other users into an emotional response[1] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.

  86. @ CAPak
    @ Bawa & Co.

    Please be reasonable and do not waste your comments & others time by indulging in indecent & non-productive comments.

    This forum is for decent, reasonable & productive comments. People respect each other & theme of this forum MUST not change.

    I do not visit very often, but when I do, like many others I expect to learn something positive from other’s ideas.

    Please finish this fighting and stop being personal.

    Thanks.

  87. ConcernedAmericanPak says:

    “I used to help people to develop an educated point of view by providing them information and different ways to look at an issue, now I have been spending time fending of this pack of dogs of me.”

    I appreciate your even handedness and both parties are at fault, the problem is that its one against a whole Pack of wild dogs, once I ignore one the other of the litter starts barking, agreeing with each other and praising each other .

    End of the day, we are two different people and I do not compromise on my principals, and no one in the world can make me. All they can do is to ban me from this site. So far the PKP people haven’t done that, because I feel that deep down they have humanity in them. I have criticize them and disagreed with them, still they are big enough to handle it.

    They must start an Urdu website for people like “fake doctor” “Bawa”, and his partners. That will reduce the tension.

    I always want to represent the view from an American Pakistani and share it with all races and creeds, since this website has global reach, but with the Urdu content, we are limiting the international participation.

    PPPP, MQM & PMLN are political family Mafia run parties who will not talk about the issues, they are personality cult based parties with criminal elements and army of soulless, shameless, personal servants and, goons and paid web trolls to defend their Mafia bosses for any price, even character assassinations, assassinations, body bag politics and holocaust (burning the lawyers in Karachi) of the people who challenge their masters.

    Normally on the American threads, we do see trolls and they get booted out once recognized, but on this site there are more active trolls than people like you. I respect you point of view, but always do what I feel is right. If challenged, I have a right to defend my honor and integrity.

  88. Guilty says:

    ConcernedAmericanPak said:

    I will fight to defend myself, you little girly BAAD-TAMEEZ and LARAKA man.

    —————————————-

    You dont even have your own words, you cut and paste my words, what a cheapster you are. “BAAD-TAMEEZ and LARAKA “. Shame on you

    also they way you abuse people looks like you belong to family of Nargis and Dedar ( the famous Lahore stage performers)

    also your language reminds me MS Firdous Ashiq Awan,

    did you take claases from Fiddous Ashiq Awan lately ?

  89. pearl says:

    @ConcernedAmericanPak

    in ur one comment u wrote about ur wife that she z a very pious n religious woman…n im sure she is as u say..can u plz ask her on my behalf to teach u some manners n decency as well….

  90. time says:

    @ConcernedAmericanPak

    It might have given you energy to run down those 200 hostile Indians like Sunny Deol who crosses the border and crushes few hundred Pakistanis easily in his every other movie.

    BTW our gov and military is not able to provide solid evidence of indian involvement to west I wonder what was your source of information.

    We have promoted Jihads since “Shaheed” Zia ul Haq and are not willing to give rights to smaller provinces especially most neglected entity Balouchistan. When they demand rights our answer is military and to rally public support behind this state terrorism we convinently throw Indian hand behind these legitimate political concerns. If India is involved where is our “Ajmal Kasab” the one we can present to whole world and India won’t be able to deny. We arrest so many militants few of them with suicide vests. Quite a few of them are Arabs and central Asians that are shown to the media. Where are the RAW trained Indian nationals why our Army is not showing them?

  91. *RhyMe* says:

    @Bawa

    My point is “if they are not willing to show our channels then why do we have to force our ppl to see theirs?”….I know world has become a global village today so its impossible to live alone but in india’s case we need to look into our past and present history,our relationships with them,their responce on our offers to have talks to resolve issues between us whether a water issue,kashmir issue,violation often at our borders by india and so on…tell you another thing here that i have been watching all our pakistani news and entertainment channels…and i can assure you that still our plays/dramas,music,current affair programms,morning shows are far far much better than indian plays which are full of fakeness,fantasies,vulgarity,hinduism,dramatized stories having nothing substantial,mostly last for 3 to 4 years which makes them so boring to watch where as ours have good story,close to reality,decency,good acting,good comedy,one doesnt feel bored of fake acting and commonly used dialogues…now im sure you would also be aware of the kind reputation their news channels have so i need not to write about them or do i?…

    @ConcernedAmericanPak

    Exactly what u said that one reason indians all over the world dont know much about pakistani media is because unlike indians, we have been failed big time in projection of our media and markerting industry…this is the basic reason why even their skimpy material sells more than our solid one….

    @TruePakistani

    I agree with you that we should keep the discussion clean without getting personal and focus more on the topic so that everyone can freely participate in the discussion

  92. ZEE says:

    for adnanvisa

    you are quite funny like your name

    don’t tell us about programme ratings

    as it’s not only you who is living abroad, everyone knows about this

    don’t talk about s*x and these things b/c these come later

    first thing

    have you ever had lip ki***ng with your g/f or wife infront of your younger sisters and brothers or your own children

    no….

    ok

    but your indian media is showing this

    and if you don’t find anything bad in the above actions

    then why you don’t do these actions infront of them

    atleast they will have some amusement without any payment

  93. Bawa says:

    @ConcernedAmericanPak

    Dear pearl,

    “seems like day n night he only thinks about u”

    I can understand your observation because Bawa has a male bonding and a Gay( happy) side in him. Look at some of his poetry examples. My hackling of Bawa could get confused with the ‘Bawa’s” romantic side….

    بابا جی. جب انسان بے غیرت ہو جائے تو پھر وہ ایسا ہی ہو جاتا ہے. میں نہیں چاہتا تھا کہ میں آپکی شان میں کوئی گستاخی کروں لیکن شاید آپکو عزت راس نہیں آتی. میرے بارے میں جو آپ ایک ماہ سے بکواس کر رہے ہیں وہ تو میں برداشت کر رہا تھا میں گندے پانی میں پتھر مار اپنے کپڑے گندے نہیں کرنا چاہتا تھا لیکن ایک خاتون سے اسطرح کی زبان استعمال کرکے آپ نے مجھے زبان کھولنے پر مجبور کر دیا ہے. کیا آپکو یہ کومنٹس لکھتے ہوئے ذرا بھی شرم نہیں آئی؟ آپ نے یہ بھی نہ سوچا کہ آپکی بھی ایک جوان بیٹی ہے جو اس خاتون کی طرح ہے. کیا آپ اپنی بیٹی سے بھی اسی زبان میں گفتگو کرتے ہیں؟ مجھے تو آپکے مسلمان ہونے پر بھی شک ہونے لگا ہے

    جس نظم کا آپ نے اوپر ذکر کیا ہے یہ ان دوستوں کو واپس بلانے کے لیے لکھی تھی جو آپکی بک بک کی وجہ سے فورم چھوڑ گئے تھے. یہ دونوں دوست نہایت ہی متضاد خیالات رکھتے ہیں ایک عمران خان کے پر جوش حامی ہیں تو دوسرے زرداری کے لیکن یہ ہمارے دوست ہیں کیونکہ ہم نظریاتی اختلافات کو دوستی کی راہ میں رکاوٹ نہیں بننے دیتے

    آخر میں پھر ایک درخواست کہ کسی اور کا نہیں تو کم از کم خواتین کا احترام ضرور کریں ورنہ ہمارے اوپر آپکا احترام بھی لازم نہیں ہوگا

  94. Bawa says:

    @ TruePakistani

    السلام و علیکم. برادرم آپ سے اور ان تمام دوستوں سے معزرت خواہ ہوں جنکو میرے کسی کومنٹس کی وجہ سے پرابلم ہوئی ہے. آپ اس تھریڈ کو شروع سے آخر تک دیکھیں تو آپ ساری صورتحال سمجھ جائیں گے. میں ایسے لوگوں کو منہ نہیں لگانا چاہتا لیکن انکے تمام کومنٹس مجھ سے شروع ہو کر مجھ پر ہی ختم ہوتے ہیں. میں بزرگ ہونے کے ناطے انکی عزت کرتا تھا لیکن انکو خواتین سے بھی بات کرنے کی تمیز نہیں ہے. بھر حال میں اب انکی کسی بک بک کا کوئی جواب نہین دونگا. آپ ان بازاری لفظوں کو دیکھیں جو وہ خواتین سے بھی بات کرتے ہوئے استعمال کرتے ہیں. آپکا بہت بہت شکریہ

  95. Bawa says:

    @ Pearl

    بہن جی. آپ سے شرمندہ ہوں کہ میری وجہ سے آپکو بھی بابا جی کے نا مناسب کومنٹس کا سامنا کرنا پڑا. آپ بھی میری طرح اب انکے کومنٹس کو نظر انداز کر دیا کریں. بہت شکریہ

  96. Bawa says:

    @ *Rye Me*

    برادرم. اکی بات درست ہے کہ ہمیں انڈیا کی ثقافتی یلغار کا مقابلہ کرنے کے لیے انڈین چینلز بھی اسی طرح بین کر دینے چاہئیے جسطرح انڈیا نے ہمارے چینلز کر رکھے ہیں. لیکن اصل مسلہ یہ ہے کہ کیا اسطرح ہم وہ مقاصد حاصل کر لیں گے جو ہم کرنا چاہتے ہیں؟ میرا خیال ہے کہ نہیں. وجہ اسکی یہ ہے کہ ہماری وڈیو کی دکانیں انڈین فلموں اور ڈراموں سے بھری پڑی ہیں. لوگوں کے پاس ڈیشز ہیں. ہم صرف کیبل پر کنٹرول کر سکتے ہیں اور بس. اگر ہم اپنے ماضی کو دیکھیں تو جو علاقے انڈین بارڈر کے ساتھ ہیں وہاں انڈین چینلز قیام پاکستان سے دیکھے جا رہے ہیں. ان لوگوں پر ان فلموں کا کتنا اثر ہوا تھا اسکا مظاہرہ ہم انڈیا کے ساتھ اپنی جنگوں میں دیکھ چکے ہیں. یہ انڈین فلمیں دیکھنے والے ہی لوگ تھے جو انڈیا سے جنگ کی خبر سنکر غیر مسلح حالت میں انڈیا سے لڑنے انڈیا کے بارڈر کی طرف بھاگ رہے تھے. ہمیں انڈیا کی ثقافتی یلغار سے نہیں ڈرنا چاہئیے بلکہ اپنی ثقافت کو اجاگر کرنا چاہے

  97. Bawa says:

    @ *Rye Me*

    برادرم. اکی بات درست ہے کہ ہمیں انڈیا کی ثقافتی یلغار کا مقابلہ کرنے کے لیے انڈین چینلز بھی اسی طرح بین کر دینے چاہئیے جسطرح انڈیا نے ہمارے چینلز کر رکھے ہیں. لیکن اصل مسلہ یہ ہے کہ کیا اسطرح ہم وہ مقاصد حاصل کر لیں گے جو ہم کرنا چاہتے ہیں؟ میرا خیال ہے کہ نہیں. وجہ اسکی یہ ہے کہ ہماری وڈیو کی دکانیں انڈین فلموں اور ڈراموں سے بھری پڑی ہیں. لوگوں کے پاس ڈیشز ہیں. ہم صرف کیبل پر کنٹرول کر سکتے ہیں اور بس. اگر ہم اپنے ماضی کو دیکھیں تو جو علاقے انڈین بارڈر کے ساتھ ہیں وہاں انڈین چینلز قیام پاکستان سے دیکھے جا رہے ہیں. ان لوگوں پر ان فلموں کا کتنا اثر ہوا تھا اسکا مظاہرہ ہم انڈیا کے ساتھ اپنی جنگوں میں دیکھ چکے ہیں. یہ انڈین فلمیں دیکھنے والے ہی لوگ تھے جو انڈیا سے جنگ کی خبر سنکر غیر مسلح حالت میں انڈیا سے لڑنے انڈیا کے بارڈر کی طرف بھاگ رہے تھے. ہمیں انڈیا کی ثقافتی یلغار سے نہیں ڈرنا چاہئیے بلکہ اپنی ثقافت کو اجاگر کرنا چاہے

  98. Faarigh Jazbati says:

    Allah khair kare aur Maariana Baabar ko bhi aaj IK fan club ke lafzi hamloon se bachaaee

    Maariana ne to IK ko bhi khari khari sunaa dein hain Aaj

    :)

    FJ

  99. faizalam says:

    @Concerned AmericanPak….Re: Bawa + his multiple ID’s
    =======================================

    Please be advised that 90% of the comments here are from the same person Bawa using his multiple ID’s. And sometimes he really gets dowm to very low standards as I have once read here a comment……’Bawa Ji, aap ki Begum ka kia haal hai’.

  100. hypocrite says:

    Bawa sahib,

    The intent of pshycological war is to make other person get angry. Please dont let people who are trying to make you angry win their war. Perhaps you should think of ignoring comments from these folks and also think limiting the quantity of your comments. I think you are a sensible person and do communciate very well in few words and as such you dont need to write very often.

  101. Mujtaba says:

    @ Bawa
    keecherr main pather phainknay se kaprray ap k hi genday hon gay …
    faizalam sahib ki agar biwi ha tu woh yeh soch lain k is se kuch ziada un se poocha ja sakta hai ya kaha ja sakta hai .. werna koi aur rishtay daar tu hon gi hi un ki … aur woh bhi nahi tu phir maan bahen k abghair kaun hotay hain ap jantay tu hain hi ……

    @ hypocrite….
    this forum is lively due to some people else it can really loose its charm or at least some people will leave ….

  102. time says:

    Ayaz Amir is probablly only PMLN leader who strongly criticise Gen Zia. Shahbaz Sharif every day gives statements that the root of this evil can be traced to wrong policies of Musharaaf. He convinently overlooks the role of Zia, Hamid Gil and co. I think Ayaz Amir is again only PMLN rep who publically disagreed with Shahbaz Sharif’s stupid statement that infact reflects PMLN’s mentality.

    I fully agree with every single word that Ayaz Amir ha written here, its an eye opener for rest of the PMLN leadership:

    http://www.jang.com.pk/jang/mar2010-daily/21-03-2010/col5.htm

  103. hypocrite says:

    Mujtaba sahib

    I believe you and I are saying the same thing to bawa sahib.

    In my simplistic opinion it is not necessary to bring the female members of Faiz Alam sahib family in discussion. Based on your comments that I have seen in various other posts I think you are much better and different than those who are good at provoking others by going to any lenghts.

  104. Mujtaba says:

    @ hypocrite
    bhai .. jis terah kuch logon ne kuch doston ko be maqsad aur bila wajah target kerna shuroo ker dia hai .. kafi afsos hota hai .. aur in logon ko afsos ka matlab pata nahi .. yeh bhi nahi pata keh yeh bagher kisi wajah k doosron ka dil dukha rahay hian … yeh l,og qatal aur zana ko shaid bohut barra gunah samajhtay hain … aur is bat ko chota samajhtay hain … keh doosron ko bilawa wajah takleef pohnchatay hain .. Bawa bhai .. shareef adami hain … aisay adami k sath ziadti karain ge tu aik bat tu tay hain …. ho gi in k sath bhi buri .. yahan nahi tu kisi aur jagah … main nahi karon ga tu koi aur ker de ga .. kamzor ya shareef nahi karay ga to taqatwer ker de ga ….

  105. Bawa says:

    @ hypocrite @ mujtaba-ali

    برادران. آپکی رائے کا احترام کرونگا اور کوشش کرونگا کہ ان لوگوں کے کومنٹس کے جواب نہ دوں. اب اس فورم کا ماحول بہت خراب ہو گیا ہے اور فضول لوگوں کی گالیاں سننتے سننتے اب تنگ آگیا ہوں. اپنی حد تک تو میں ہر گالی برداشت کر لیتا ہوں لیکن جب خواتین کے ساتھ بدتمیزی کی جاتی ہے تو ہمت جواب دے جاتی ہے. کم از کم ہمیں خواتین کی موجودگی کا احساس کرنا چاہئیے اور انکا احترام کرنا چاہئیے. فورم کا ماحول ایسا ہو گیا ہے کہ عزت دار آدمی کے لیے یہاں ٹھہرنا مشکل ہو گیا ہے. لیکن یہاں مشکل یہ آ جاتی ہے ہے کہ
    جائیں تو جائیں کہاں؟

    یہاں اتنے پیار اور محبت کرنے والے دوست ہیں، انکو چھوڑ کر کہاں جائیں؟ پہلے ایسے واقعات کبھی کبھار ہو جایا کرتے تھے لیکن اب یہ ایک روٹین بن چکی ہے. گالیاں کھا کر بھی مسکراتے ہوئے لوگوں سے درخواست کرتا ہوں کہ جناب جانے دیجیے لیکن یہاں شرافت کو کمزوری سمجھ لیا جاتا ہے

    آپکا بہت شکریہ

  106. Bawa says:

    @ mujtaba-ali

    مجتبیٰ بھائی. یہ فیض عالم صاحب میری سمجھ سے بالاتر ہیں. میں انکے کومنٹس کا جواب اس انداز میں نہیں دینا چاہتا تھا. کوئی دو تین ماہ سے یہ صرف یہی مخصوص کومنٹس پوسٹ کرنے کے لیے آتے ہیں اور اسکے بعد کہیں نظر نہیں آتے. یہ اس نسل میں سے ہیں جو اردو سے نفرت کرتے ہیں. آپ سے بھی گزارش ہے کہ انکے کومنٹس کو نظر انداز کر دیا کریں

  107. Mujtaba says:

    @ Bawa
    faizalam … kisi shekhs ki doosri ID hain .. aur yeh multiple id use ker rahay hain … aisa pehlay bhi aik bar hua tha … ap ko yad ho ga .. kuch log atay thay comments pass kertay thay aur phir ghaib ho jatay thay … un ka bhi yahi kehna tha k logon ne multiple ID’s banaye huye hian .. jeb PKP ki admn ne is muamlay ko dekha tu un hi logon ko multiple ID’s use kernay ki bina per forum se nikal dia tha … yeh faizalam bhi bilkul same case hai … aur agar PKP walon ne notice lia tu yeh bhi yaqeenen nahi rahain ge ….

  108. *RhyMe* says:

    @Bawa

    Somewhere at someplace we got to take any action to stop the evil from spreading further whether its media or in any other case and greater responsibility comes on the shoulder of law makers and owners of the country,we can not just sit and wait for miracles to happen and like india took actions years ago of holding back our channels through different ways and promoting theirs which was ofcourse their right and they have rightly propagated their culture and religion in their country through their media,we should practise the same thing here.. …….even if it would not bring solutions on large scale by banning indian channels still would definately be of a good change…rest i agree with you that working to promote our culture and religion through different mediums has become essential today if we really are worried to change the “confused minds” and “deviance in society”…

  109. Awaam
    کسانوں کا بھارتی سرحدپر مظاہرہ
    لاہور: بھارت کی طرف سے پاکستانی دریاؤں کا پانی روکنے کے اقدامات کے خلاف کسانوں نے پاک بھارت سرحد پر احتجاجی مظاہرہ اور زیرو لائن کی طرف مارچ کیا۔متحدہ کسان محاذ کی طرف سے پاک۔بھارت سرحد سے ڈیڑھ کلو میٹر پیچھے بھارت کی جانب سے دریائے چناب کا پانی روکنے اور معاہدہ سندھ طاس کی خلاف ورزیوں پر احتجاجی کیمپ لگایا گیا،جس میں کسانوں کی بڑی تعداد نے شرکت کی،کسانوں سے یکجہتی کے لئے این جی اوز اور مختلف سیاسی جماعتوں کے کارکن بھی شریک ہوئے۔
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    Rulers
    وسطی ایشیاء تک بھارتی ریلوے کی رسائی، سمری تیار
    پشاور: وزارت ریلوے نے وسط ایشیائی ریاستوں تک بھارتی رسائی کے لئے ریلوے ٹریک کی سمری تیار کرلی، غلام احمد بلور نے کہا ہے کہ سمری جلد کابینہ کو بھجوا ی جائے گی۔پشاور میں ایک تقریب کے دوران میڈیا سے بات چیت میں غلام بلور نے کہا کہ وسطی ایشیاء کی ریاستوں اور یورپ تک رسائی کے لئے بھارت نے پاکستان کی ریلوے لائن استعمال کرنے کی خواہش ظاہر کی تھی۔
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    عوام کی پرواہ کس کو ہے جو غیور لیڈر ہوتے ہیں وہ اینٹ کا جواب پتھر سے دیتے ہیں جبکہ ہمارے حکمرانوں کی پتا نہیں کیا مجبوری ہے. بھارت سے مزاکرات بھی کریں،دوستیاں بھی کریں لیکن ایک اور آقا نہ پالیں کیوں عوام کو بے عزت کروا رہے ہو. ہمارا پانی بند کر دیا ہےکشمیر کا سودا مشرف کر گیا اور غیرت نام کی کوئی چیز باقی نہیں رہی.

  110. ImranKhanforpm says:

    Although I am proud to see majority of my Pakistani agree to the notion of banning of Indian channels, however there are many bhagarat Pakistanis still that come forward and have this absurd argument of banning is not the solution. India has our channels banned so does it make any sense to promote there channels in our country? U guys are pathetic. If you were people were so nice like this in the real world than our country wouldnt be like this. In Pakistani you dont like to forgive nobody but u willing to forgive these Indians after what there media said about Pakistan after the Mumbai attacks

    SAY NO TO BHAGARAT PAKISTAN!
    SAY NO TO INDIAN CULTURE PROMOTED IN PAKISTAN!
    SAY YES TO OUR OWN BEAUTIFUL CULTURE!

  111. Guilty says:

    mirzanadeembaig said:
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    آپ اپنے اس لمبے چوڑے پیغام میں کیا کہناچاھتے ھہیں۔ کہ شیج رشید سعودی عرب کیوں نہیں گئے یاآپ یہ کہنا چاھتے ھیں کہ شیج رشید سپین کیوں آئے۔

    مجھے یہ بتائیں کہ آپ خود کیوں نہیں جاتے سعودی عرب۔ آپ کیوں چاھتے ھیں کوئی غم زدہ لیڈر سعودی عرب ضرور جائے۔ پوری پاکستانی قوم اپنے مصائب کی وجہ سے غم زدہ ھے بے شمار لوگ مررھے ھیں تو آپ کا مطلب ھے پوری قوم سعودی عرب چلی جائے۔ آپ ایک دکھی پاکستانی ھیں ۔ملک کے حوالے سے آپ غمگین بھی ھیں۔ آپ سعودی عرب کیوں نہیں چلے جاتے۔

    دوسرے اگر آپ کو شیخ رشید کے سپین آنے پر اعتراض ھے تو آپ خود کیوں سپین میں رھتے ھیں۔ نکلیں باھر سپین سے اور کسی اسلامی ملک میں رھیں جیسے پاکستان، بنگلہ دیش، انڈونیشیا، سعودی عرب، یمن وغیرہ۔ فوراً نکلیں سپیں سے جب سپین شیخ رشید کے لئے مناسب نہیں تو پھرآپ کے لئے بھی مناسب نہیں ھے۔

    دوسرے قائداعظم۔ لیاقت علی خان کئ مرتبہ لندن اور امریکہ تشریف لے کئے اور سعودی عرب نہیں گئے۔ تو کیا یہ لیڈر نہیں تھے۔

    عجیب لاجک ھے آپ کی خود لیٹے ھوئے ھیں سپین میں اور شیخ رشید سپین نہ آئے۔ اور اگر کوئی بندہ غمگین ھو تو ضروری ھے کہ سعودی ؑعرب جائے۔

  112. ConcernedAmericanPak says:

    Please no personal attacks, this question is bigger than me or any other individual on this thread, seams like we are more involved in discussing each other than the issues on hand.

    The Answer to these questions will show us the depth of the knowledge and the true Patriotism of the so called :democracy lovers and overly patriotic “Bull Shit artists.”

    “Bawa”, your opinion is welcome, I may change my opinion after your response. @time sounds like an Indian or Hindu, which is perfectly ok, all you nameless, faceless, secretive, and family less people can also redeem themselves.

    We are talking about the Indian Dramas, the question to ask to the Indians is about the Muslim representation in the leadership. Sikhs a much smaller minority or even christens had more representation that the Muslims.

    SOME QUESTIONS LOOKING FOR ANSWERS

    IF I AM NOT WRONG ?

    6 Billion people ( Indian Muslims from 1947–2010 ) were deprived of representation ?

    Now India claims to have 200 million Muslim citizens. Any representation ?__________

    In the last 63 years India has not been able to produce ” ONE MAIN STREAM SECULAR MUSLIM POLITICAL LEADER” ???

    What is taxation without representation called ?

    Should we call it “State Sponserred Political Genocide. ?

    If Mr. M.A Jinnah was planted by the British then why not another implant in next six decades ?

    Was Mr. M.A. Jinnah the first and the last secular muslim political…………………….

    I ask to be corrected if wrong……….need your feed back……

  113. *RhyMe* says:

    @ConcernedAmericanPak

    Valuable questions you have asked….

    You are right …..even being known as a secular state,in india,muslims have never been considered favourable for crucial posts in politics except very very few muslims who were seen on any ministry like former President Dr Abdul kalam whose duties and involvement in forming of a decision on important issues were comperatively less than hindu Prime Minister then, showing his puppetry position who was perhaps appointed at the post to give an impression to the world of a “secular india”….

    Another example is of the Bollywood,the biggest Money Generating Industry of india today,where u must have recently heard of how the muslim actors,both old and new,who have very well contributed to the industry through their outstanding work including actors like shabana Azmi etc,and also being a social activist,how hard she and other muslim actors had to face just to buy their personal property in Mumbai….so u see how muslims are treated there?

    Thirdly and most importantly the Gujrat Muslim Massacre,the worst kind of cruel and inhuman treatment in the history of the world,where nothing meaningful has been so far in fovor of muslims…do you think this kinda treatment could ever have been allowed with hindus in india by muslims?…No No Never!

    Lastly not to forget those dangerous hindu extremist groups like Bajrang Dal, Vishwa Hindu Parashad and Shiv Sena etc,who have greater influence in almost every field of life there and whose one ambition is to restrain the muslims of india from prospering in indian society…

    So you see how much “SecuLarisM” is there in so called “Maha Bharat”

  114. ajamal says:

    Indian Channel’s should be banned along with Indian movies in our cinemas. There cannot be two views about that. Even with good relations with India, we are self sufficient in media and entertainment so who needs Indian channels.

  115. time says:

    @ConcernedAmericanPak

    You started your comment with

    “Please no personal attacks, this question is bigger than me or any other individual on this thread, seams like we are more involved in discussing each other than the issues on hand.”

    I was glad finally some sanity prevailed but alas just one line under you said

    ” @time sounds like an Indian or Hindu, which is perfectly ok, all you nameless, faceless, secretive, and family less people can also redeem themselves. ”

    After reading your clueless, random, haphazard posts for past few months I wasn’t surprised. You and sense don’t go hand in hand. You seem to enjoy adding personal story and then try to wrap it up with somme message and I find them always disconnected no exception like your above two lines “no personnal attacks” and then labelling me Hindu, Indian and what not.

    You bestwoed these labels to me in response to my question where did you get proofs of Indian involvement when our Army, who are making all these arrests, are not able to provide any. Your logical and to the point reply was “You are Hindu and Indian” … well say whatever you want but where is my answer?

    Instead of answering you came up with set of more irrelavent questions on state of muslims in India. The thread is discussing impact of Indian channels especially entertainment channels on our society. First you went off the topic with your ridicuolus personal story of shutting down 200 hostile Indians after your were cornered by everyone for launching countless personal attacks. Now to earn the respect back that you have miserably lost in past few weeks among the bloggers here you are trying to play “India” card like all the cornered politicians/genrals do in Pakistan.

    India is a secular and world’s biggest democracy and they don’t need our certificate. America is divided on ethenic lines like India is on religious lines. How many black and hispanic leaders you see here? Would you say America is not secular, its not democracy? Democracies have problems they strive for more perfect union. Of all the people look who is asking for democratic and secular credentials, we the Pakistanis, who see GHQ as their God fathers and have developed all kind of lashkars and are exporting terrorism accross the globe in the name of holy war.

    As far as plight of Indian muslims is concened Jinnah was warned of dire consequences by his contempraries that if you divide India in the name of religion but leave almost as many muslims in India as you will be taking in seprate state. The seprate homeland was created for muslims of Punjab and Bengal who were already in majority. When we did that we didn’t take into account the misries of muslims who were living in UP as minority. We didn’t think then and we created the mess that are living in now. There is no need to shed the crocodile tears for them. By backing insurgencies in Punjab and Kashmir we are complicating the problems and the consequent backlash that common muslims have to deal with everyday.

    Last but not the least there are few notables in political areana starting from Moulana Abul Kalam Azad, first union education minister, to Ghulam Nabi Azad and Farooq Abdullah (sitting union misnister). If you want to look into stats please note there is only one black Senator in present US Senate, Sen. Roland Burris, Obama’s replacement. My point is minorities have issues in getting proper political representation and it’s not limited to India it’s a global phenomena.

  116. Mujtaba says:

    @ time
    I can bet … you have never been to india …..
    if u were … you can never say that we should be living in united india ….
    and if you were there .. probably the first thing you would have done … is you would offer nawafil for thanking your God that you are not born in india as a muslim ….

  117. time says:

    @Mujtaba

    Please don’t bet :)

    I have been there as a visitor and lived there for few months as a teenager. I have many Indian friends following different religions and I am very well aware of their sentiments about Pakistan. They are not much different than our sentiments about India.

    Divided India is a reality wether I like it or not. If I was there at the time of partition I probably would have voted against partition but there is no point in looking backwards. Moving forward I am never in favor of strained relationships between two nuclear neighbours at state or people to people level. I am not going to back down if someone instead of engaging in debate starts labeling me Indian, Hindu on this side or terrorist on the other side.

    I think our social problems be it clean water, energy defficiency, education, poverty, lack of religious harmony, corruption, you name it are similar in nature. They have a subcontinent stamp on it and are much different than what haves are facing in middle east, western europe or America. We need to overcome these together. There are to many commanalities to build upon. We share same language, to great extent same culture. We share much more with immediate neighbours India than our friends China, OIC, US, NATO etc. All the energy and resources we put to counter each other can be better utilized to improve civic conditions of millions on either side.

    A blast in Chandigarh, Srinagar or Peshawar may target individuals of different faiths but there is one commanality; 99% of the time he/she ‘d be ordinary citizen who has nothing to do with inter state political battles. Lets think beyond our political differences and see how much we have in common.

  118. Believer says:

    What really annoys me is LACK OF KNOWLEDGE. Even the most educated people (columnsts) and political leaders (like BB) quote wrong figures… Let me give some factual information:

    1. Numbers of Muslim in India IS NOT MORE THAN Pakistani Muslims. India has 130 or 140 Million Muslims whereas Pakistan has 170/180 Million.

    2. Number of universities in MUSLIM WORLD IS NOT 500. Pakistan alone has nearly 130 Universities. Turkey also has nearly 130. Now consider Indonesia (200 Million population) and Maylaysia (a knowledge hub). Do you still think the number is less than 500?

    3. India DOES NOT HAVE 8,000 universities. It has nearly 300. Rest are private unauthorised colleges.

  119. Believer says:

    Those who think Pakistan has not given anything to Muslims:

    1. Abudul Kalam being Muslim president of India. So what has Pakistan achived
    Answer: I say we have ALL our presidents who were Muslims.
    Our 500,000 army is almost all Muslims.
    Our millions of state employees are almost all Muslims.

    2. How many Muslims are there in Indian army our of their 1.2 Million? If it is more than 500,000. Then I admit I am wrong!! (Indian Muslims make up less than one per cent of Police and Army).

    3. Muslims cannot buy or rent property in good areas in (especially) Bombay. Is this the case in Pakistan?

    In Delhi, a Muslim family was pioneer of Urdu language magazines. They got closed down and their building was bought by Dalit Party. According to Sadia Dehlvi (editor of those publications) this is a sign that after Babri Mosque demolition, Muslim slipped even lower than Untouchables.

  120. Bawa says:

    @ ConcernedAmericanPak
    “Bawa”, your opinion is welcome, I may change my opinion after your response.

    السلام و علیکم بڑے بھائی. میں اب بھی پہلے کی طرح آپکا بڑے بھائی کی حیثیت سے احترام کرتا ہوں. امید ہے آپ بھی ماضی کی ساری تلخیاں بھلا دیں گے. بہت شکریہ

  121. ConcernedAmericanPak says:

    @Bawa

    السلام و علیکم بڑے بھائی. میں اب بھی پہلے کی طرح آپکا بڑے بھائی کی حیثیت سے احترام کرتا ہوں. امید ہے آپ بھی ماضی کی ساری تلخیاں بھلا دیں گے. بہت شکریہ

    My dear, I always admired your good manners and a very nice demeanor as a human and under the worse circumstances you kept your decency in tacked. Little angry comments by you show your human side. I am sorry that we went on the wrong track because of some other people getting involved between two adults.

    I will try not to loose my cool next time and still will disagree with you at times, but in a more professional way. I am not an egotistic person, my apology is sincere and response to your very nice request to be friends again. I truly wanted your opinions on this matter and will not take it personal or try to exploit it.

    Have a great day and stay positive and helpful for Pakistan.

  122. Bawa says:

    @ ConcernedAmericanPak said:
    Bawa

    My dear, I always admired your good manners and a very nice demeanor as a human and under the worse circumstances you kept your decency in tacked. Little angry comments by you show your human side. I am sorry that we went on the wrong track because of some other people getting involved between two adults.

    I will try not to loose my cool next time and still will disagree with you at times, but in a more professional way. I am not an egotistic person, my apology is sincere and response to your very nice request to be friends again. I truly wanted your opinions on this matter and will not take it personal or try to exploit it.

    Have a great day and stay positive and helpful for Pakistan.

    بڑے بھائی. مجھے کبھی بھی اپنی غلطیوں پر بڑوں حتی کہ چھوٹوں سے بھی معزرت کرنے پر عار نہیں محسوس ہوئی. انسان خطاء کا پتلا ہے. اگر غلطی ہو جائے اور اسکا احساس ہونے پر معافی مانگ لی جائے یا غلطی کی وجہ سے کسی کا نقصان ہونے پر اسکا نقصان پورا کر دیا جائے تو وہ غلطی غلطی نہیں رہتی. میں مانتا ہوں کہ بعض مواقع خصوصا خاتون کے بارے میں کومنٹس پڑھکر میں بھی اپنے آپکو غصے کے اظہار سے باز نہ رہ سکا جس پر آپ سے معافی کا خواستگار ہوں. امید ہے آپ معاف فرما دیں گے اور سابقہ محبت اور شفقت قائم رکھیں گے. بہت شکریہ

  123. Bawa says:

    @ Believer
    Bawa and ConcernedAmericanPak Friendship Khappay!!!!!!!!!!!!

    بھائی جی. کونسا کھپے؟ سندھی والا یا پنجابی والا؟ ہا ہا ہا ہا ہا ہا

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