April 20, 2010

A recent poll conducted by BBC on positive and negative perception of countries by more than 29,000 adults in 28 countries has revealed that Pakistan is the 2nd most negatively perceived country in the world. Iran and Israel stand at number 1 and 3 respectively.

The top 5 countries with positive perceptions are Germany, Japan, UK, Canada & France.

Please discuss the main reasons for this result and how we as individuals can practically make a difference in changing this perception in minds of other nations.

BBC Poll Result

169 Comments

  1. scary says:

    Oh, this question is so easy to answer. The reason why there is a negative perception about our country is for two reason. Those who are in charge of our armed forces and the politicians. No arguments about it.

  2. ConcernedAmericanPak says:

    The sad reality is that a great majority of the people asked the question do not know Pakistan and gave it number 2.

    Pakistan is the only one country where people rule the masses from their graves and political asylum cells in London.

    Pakistan is the only country where they will elect an international fugitive and criminal as the head of the state with the parliamentary approval.

    Pakistan is the only country, where the criminals have the beat chances to make deals by using other countries backings and black mailing their political opponents about their past and win their freedom to the past loot and continual loot, under the protection of constitutional amendments approved by the Political and ethnic Mafia bosses for life and their collation ethnic Mafia bosses and religious prostitutes.

    Pakistan is the only country where the voters will vote on basses of their refugee past, current ethnicity, religious convections, tribal affiliations and the burden of servants desire to please the master.

    Pakistan is the only country, whose leader is the number one money launderer in the world and the 2nd in waiting is the number two man, the “man lion” of tax cheats and money laundering, , that’s Billions of dollars loot from the poor of the poorest. Number one Asif Ali Madari and his dead but still living human ghost wife , the BB and the metro sexual demonic son. Number two is Nawaz Sharif and his family Mafia and friends.

    Pakistan is the only country where an ethnic Mafia can put you in a body bag and dispose of you in a garbage dump and he will never get caught or persecuted, even they can burn you alive like a human candle, still they are the gangsters of ethnicity and followers of the God of hate and death, Altaf Bhai, the serial killer and thus untouchables. Your countries President, visits him with Flowers, the President who himself is criminally insane, “black sheep slaughtering” and lying when mouth open, grave worshipping loon, a mental case who claims that his dead father in Law and wife are still alive and a man of such disgrace that he should have been kept in a secret location to save the face of Pakistanis, that he was married to the prime minister of Pakistan.

    But only in Pakistan, they made him the President.

    And then I saw a great affection of Nwaz Sharif and his personal servants and paid slaves and family members “party members” giving hugs to the grave worshipping loons of PPPP and both men who made a constitutional change to become “political Gods”, and got the ability to fire any party member who does not heed to their commands, the commands of a BA 2nd division international money launderer and tax cheat and a mentally insane feudal lord with criminal past and present, crimes are committed globally by this crook.

    Pakistan is in the epicenter of disaster at this time in history and the only way out is a revolution of accountability and the rule of Law.

  3. uriaheep8888 says:

    the blame is not on west ,usa or india the culprit is our army establishment and our stupid incompetent political leaders these leaders like shareefs,chowdries the legharis saifullak mushahid ganja zia the evil son the pot bellied mullahs.if an event like 911 happened in pakistan none of the western person would have been spared i live in usa since past 20 yrs prior to that ive livee in europe trust me thers no place better than usa u are free to live chase american dream raise yr family as per yr choice practice any religion without fear of persecution unlike pakistan look how we treat our minorities we dont blik our eye kijjing an ahmadi shia non muslim and we do it proudly example is the fake dr of alionline who had his hands in blood of an innocent ahmadi doctor who was murdered in the name of isla m

  4. agrana75 says:

    Our nation is in the habit of abusing and blaming others for our misfortunes. Just like balochi, Sindhi pathans always blames Punjab for their rights deprivations similarly we , pakistani nation, always satsify ourselves by abusing USA and other west countries claiming them being responsible for our miseries. Same way we always rebuke government for its corruption but never think about our own responsibilities.

  5. busybee says:

    Our Government will take it like anothe tribute…. no one is concerned about Pakistanis any more…. Unfortunately if we look around we will see Punjabi’s, Pathans, Sindhi, Lahori’s but we have burried Pakistani who is no where to be seen. If you look around we see filth. selfishness and rudeness. They have become a part of our culture, habbit, routine same as lying,cheating, manipulating is in our blood. We can spend millions of dollars on a scrap like UN investigation but we cannot spend on the education and other facilities which can improve the nation in general. We as Pakistani’s do not respect each other how can we expect to get respect from other nations?

  6. busybee says:

    We have to start by thinking like Pakistani’s, we have to rebuild our infrastructure. Education, basic aminities of life, law n order ….. you give people a relief. Justice for every one. We have to hang the corrupt. Until there is fear for doing wrong is not there the corrupt will keep their practice on. We have to wake our patriotism… the Pakistani inside us…Until there is no accountability across the board things will remain the same.

  7. Bawa says:

    اگر دنیا ہم سے نفرت کرتی ہے تو کیا؟ ہمیں کسی کی پرواہ نہیں ہے. ایک صالح کا قول ہے کہ دنیا ہم سے نفرت کرتی ہے مگر ہم اس کے پیجھے بھاگتے ہیں. اگر وہ بھی ہم سے محبت کرتی ہوتی تو خدا جانے ہمارا کیا حال ہوتا

  8. Bawa says:

    ویسے ہمیں اسکی کتنی فکر ہے کہ دنیا ہم سے نفرت کرتی ہے اور ہمیں دنیا کے سامنے سرخرو ہونا ہے لیکن کیا کبھی ہمیں یہ فکر بھی ہوئی ہے کہ ہمیں خدا کے سامنے بھی سر خرو ہونا ہے. دنیا کو خوش کرنے کے چکر میں ہم اپنی عاقبت تباہ کر لیتے ہیں پھر بھی ہم دنیا کو خوش نہیں کر پاتے. کاش ہمیں اتنی فکر خدا کو خوش کرنے کی بھی ہو

  9. Azizi says:

    I think Pakistan was number one in the original list of Most Hated nations. Zardari and Bilawal have done some amazing things from inside the 10 Downing Street to move it up in the list. Zinda hey bhei zinda hey.

  10. amnazaman says:

    @zia. So true. Like an alcoholic we are in continuous denial. Why are we being hated so much through out the world? The blame is on us. Unless and until the masses speak out that we as people are peace loving, this image will not change. A handful of terrorist are ruining it for the entire nation. Opputunities global are shrinking and damage control must be done.

  11. dr_abrar says:

    There is one interesting thing to note when u see the details of poll in bbc link. Overall we have rated all other nations as having negative impact on the world( except for iran and china). Why do we hate the world so much? what would we get in response if we would hate others? I guess we as a nation are gradually becoming more and more negative minded.

  12. hasankhan says:

    if we are number two its no wonder..our people supported taliban instead of international community.our hero is asama instead of bill gate.our agencies are involved in terrorist acticities in other countries.

  13. naive says:

    The reason is that this perception about Pakistan has been created by the Western Media which is extremely biased and subjective in its opinion. Otherwise, Pakistan is not such a country to be graded so low. The foreigners who meet Pakistanis are effusive in their praise of Pakistan and Pakistani people.

    How to dispel this impression?
    1) Promoting democracy and democratic values at home.
    2) Making our society less extremist in its approaches. We need to return to the Pakistani society and its values that we had in 1960s and 1960s. The values imposed upon Pakistani society during the hypocretic regime of Zia and his equally hypocretic policies have done the maximum damage to our society.
    3) Each Pakistani abroad is an Ambassador of Pakistan. He/she should promote, through his/her behaviour and manners, the positive image of Pakistan.
    4) Blaming others would be of no use; nor being pessimistic and defeatist is a solution. We need to muster up our courage and gird up our loins to become internally united and globally positive.

    God bless Pakistan!!

  14. faisalmirza says:

    Not only as a nation as whole, look at our attitudes at individual level. We are always ready to criticize and defame others – we hate improving ourselves.
    We waste most of our time in doing highly non-productive activities, like keeping ill-wishes for others, backstabbing and always suspecting others intentions.
    These ills should be declared as our national sports.

  15. rashidsaleem says:

    It is indeed ironic to see these results for all the Pakistanis. This main reason behind such result is the horror of terrorism which has taken numerous precious lives here. If by any chance, we all wish to change the results then we need to promote the liberal elements of our society who do not mix culture and religion. Religion is a separate thing and culture is a separate thing. There is no hybrid formula as “religious culture”. We must say no to radical and fanatic elements within our society.

  16. soorinqilaab says:

    Our own people also hate Pakistan because of this fascist army. Although this army has replaced taliban in swat but they are no different than taliban. They are torturing innocent people of swat, target killing of Amn Jirga and supporting pro-taliban leaders. Soon the people will rise against them. Inshallah

  17. zardarifan says:

    It doesn’t matter what ever this Survey says, but we are a very very very happy nation. Just look at yesterdays 18th Amendment Signing Ceremony , how well attended it was and the wives of all Assembly members and Officers came with full make-up. And then listen to those slogans at the end of the Ceremony every one was chanting Jiye Zardari and also Jiye Bilawal. These are the signs of a lively and a happy nation.

    Every thing has changed and the mood of the whole nation after the publication of UNO Report has changed. The Report did not find Zardari of any wrong doing and the whole nation is happy. We got the best workers like Rehman Malik, Babar Awan, Naheed Khan , Safdar Abbasi, Faisal Raza Abidi. We got the most dedicated workers, we go to Naudero in millions every 3 months when there is birthday or death anniversary of Bhutto, Benazir, Murtaza , or Shahnawaz and we get free breakfast and chicken biryani in Naudero. To us ‘Bhutto’ name is every thing.

    The re is no shortage of Electricity, food or jobs. The Govt today have announced excellent plans to combat Electricity shortage in some areas and from next month Saturdays and Sundays will be holidays i.e . we will now have European style weekends, the shops will now be closing at 7 pm, thus allowing more people to sit at home enjoy Star TV programmes with family. There will be a ban on night time wedding ceremony’s.
    I don’t know how do these people collect the data, because if they had asked a common Pakistani on the street they would have found out that people of Pakistan always choose poor and ordinary people from their communities and that’s why snobs like Imran Khan and JI are always rejected. The people of Pakistan loves Maulvi Diesel who speaks in simple language which could be understood by everyone. The people of Pakisan have rejected Imran Khan in all recent bye-elections, and we will again vote for Jamshed Dasti. And we only elect people like Zardari, Haji Pervaiz and Samsaan Bokhari. Our Prime Minister along with other 50 Parliamentarians watched two hour display of fire power yesterday in Bahawalpur which was highly appreciated.

    Ask anyone on the streets to choose between Zardari and Imran Khan, the people of Pakistan will always choose Zardari. To hell with those people who conducted this survey we are very happy under Zardari and I propose that he should me make a life-long President.

  18. time says:

    @Bawa said:

    ویسے ہمیں اسکی کتنی فکر ہے کہ دنیا ہم سے نفرت کرتی ہے اور ہمیں دنیا کے سامنے سرخرو ہونا ہے لیکن کیا کبھی ہمیں یہ فکر بھی ہوئی ہے کہ ہمیں خدا کے سامنے بھی سر خرو ہونا ہے. دنیا کو خوش کرنے کے چکر میں ہم اپنی عاقبت تباہ کر لیتے ہیں پھر بھی ہم دنیا کو خوش نہیں کر پاتے. کاش ہمیں اتنی فکر خدا کو خوش کرنے کی بھی ہو

    In an attempt to please the God we have annoyed the world. All this Jihadi culture and terrorism export is in the name of religion – essentially an attempt to please the God. The world hates us not bcaz of corruption or military rule or bad economy. They hate us bcaz any terrorist plot in the world traces back to Pakistan and our role and admission in nuclear proliferation. We should thank GHQ for this honour.

  19. ammarisb says:

    The BBC poll rankings does not come as a surprise, the religious zealots and their cronies Taliban have tarnished the image of Pakistan, with bombings in IDP camps and crowded markets the world sees Pakistan as “War zone”. Tourism which was a profitable business is now in a miserable state and whenever CNN or BBC utters Pakistan it is followed by the news of tragedy.
    But with all of this going on, we have positive perceptions to celebrate the evolving democracy, the building of schools and the development in areas which were neglected in the past. Pakistan is in a state of war and we cannot deny that, but we can take ownership of this war and confront those who propagate the religious hate and those who sympathize with the Taliban ideology. We have immense human capital and potential which is full of positivity which is an obstacle for Taliban to take over our nation.

  20. supercreature says:

    I don’t understand the reason of hate here … people here talking that Taliban … ok if Taliban are the reason then the overwhelming majority is against extremest and Pakistani Army has done better than any western forces … so why the hate with Pakistan at large. .. does not make any sense.

    If they hate due to governments of Pakistan, then they need to understand most of the government were established all by the deals made by West and US. Where people of Pakistan had not much say, Musharraf and this NRO givt is prime example. Here still no reason to curse whole Pakistani nation.

    If they hate all Pakistani nation at large and think they are d1rty sm3lly pakis then they are rac1st.

  21. gv says:

    im afraid the headline is a bit misleading – the chart is supposed to gauge people’s impressions of positive vs negative influence exerted by a country

  22. Azizi says:

    This is a bogus and unscientific survey. The population of a surveyed country is not taken into consideration. If the final tally is made with a weighted positive to negative ratio, probably Israel is number one and the USA is number two.

    For example China’s favorable index in USA is 29/44= 0.66, while USA’s favorable index in China is 29/51 = 0.57. [Means China is favored more in USA than USA is favored in China] If the same number is weighted with population of each country, USA favorable index is drastically worse. With weighted ratio, the opinion of country such as Ghana and Kenya are negligible.

    Yes we have a big problem, the government is incompetent to solve it but no one can demoralize us with a skewed statistic.
    “Statistics are like mini-skirts… they give you good ideas but hide the most important parts.”

  23. naive says:

    Azizi said:

    “Statistics are like mini-skirts… they give you good ideas but hide the most important parts.”
    __________________________________________

    :-)! Hilarious statement of Ebbe Skovdahl!! Thanks for sharing!

    Another such statement goes: Statistics are like loose women. Once you get them, they let you do what you want to do with them.

    In the above survey also, the statistics have been skewed!

  24. arrabbiato says:

    تردید کرو تردید کرو ،کہو کے یہ زاری دنیا جھوٹ بولتی ہے ،پاکستان اسلام کا قلہ ہے اور اس کے محافظ طالبان ہیں ،پھر کہو یہ بلیک واٹر ہیں ،نفرت ،نفرت اور نفرت یہی ہمارے قول اور فل سے نظر آنا چا ہیے ،سب دشمن ہیں بس حمید گل اور ملا بھشمما ہمارے دوست ہیں ،بم بناؤ ،فوج بنا و میزائل بناؤ سری دنیا کو دشمن بناؤ پھر ان سے کیا توقع کرتے ہو ؟ ہر روز خودکش دہماکے ہوتے ہیں بھر کی دنیا والے پاکستان کو صرف جنگ ہی کے حوالے سے جانتے ہیں . پاکستان کے نفسیاتی مریض کی طرح بن گیا ہے جو سب کو اپنا دشمن سمجھتا ہے اور سب اس کو بیوقوف اور جاہل سمجھتے ہیں

  25. saleembutt says:

    Unfortunately Pakistan is hated mostly by Pakistanis – if they had surveyed only Pakistanis then you can be certain that Pakistan would not be 2nd most hated but ———! (you guessed it!)

  26. baburman says:

    I 100% agree to ConcernedAmericanPak and will only add one thing to the solution he proposed in the last. Only (true and original) Islam is the solution for Pakistan as well as the whole mankind.

  27. Rashid says:

    @Bawa

    If you want to please God and don’t care about world, why are you in USA and working 9-5, 5 days a week.? Just find a cave and mediate 24 hours a day. That is very hypocrite of you.

    This kind of thinking is the real cause of all the hatred towards us in the world. We cannot please God by creating havoc in the world.

  28. GHQ says:

    If we forget past and just talk about present. Just imagin please!
    1.president of pakistan zardari.
    2.Interior minister Rehman Malik.
    3.Law minister Babar awan.
    4.Wapda Raja parwaiz ashraf.
    We have a graet future.
    Pakistan Zindabad

  29. time says:

    @ConcernedAmericanPak

    With due respect all your “Pakistan is the only country ….” mantra might be a reality but has has nothing to do with our global image/perception. The world sees us the way they sees us because of our role in global terrorism. Be it nuclear or conventional we are percieved as anti-christ. There are many world leaders who are corrupt like Zardari and Nawaz Sharif but there are very few who stand by militants and terrorists like your guru Imran Khan.

  30. naive says:

    @Rashid!

    I dont think that Bawa ji is preaching us to ‘create havoc in the world’!! Bawa ji is talking about the ‘world’ or the word ‘Dunya’ as is used in the Holy Qoran which has a specific meaning and it should not be taken as Mankind. Mankind is different from the ‘world’ Bawa ji is referring to. ‘Dunya’ in this particular context means the excessive desires which lead to darkening of heart and sickening of soul.

    Further, I disagree that God can only be pleased by meditating in a cave. The examination of a man in this world is to how can he/she strike a balance between the spiritual and physical needs of the world.

    I think the extremist approaches (like the way you suggested leaving 9-5 job and going to a cave to meditate) are really making us difficult people to deal with by the contemporary (and so-called) advanced world. The best way is the middle way!!

  31. Wahid Doyum says:

    Who would not hate the creators and supporters of genocidal taliban maniacs? How many minorities, both ethnic and religious are persecuted in Pakistan daily and nothing is done?

    Not surprising at all.

  32. edmonton says:

    wahh wahhh jii hum aik bar phir 2 numberiii declare kar diye gaye hehehe is ka ilzam bhi yahoodi aur americi lobby pay dal dytay hainnn…..
    hum say nafrat kartay hain tu kia…
    soochtay tu hamaray baray hi main hain….

  33. Bawa says:

    @ Rashid
    Bawa

    If you want to please God and don’t care about world, why are you in USA and working 9-5, 5 days a week.? Just find a cave and mediate 24 hours a day. That is very hypocrite of you.

    This kind of thinking is the real cause of all the hatred towards us in the world. We cannot please God by creating havoc in the world.

    برادرم. ہمارے مسایل کی بنیاد ہی یہ ہے کہ ہم دنیا کو خوش کرنے نکلے ہوئے ہیں اور خدا سے دور ہو گئے ہیں. ہم دنیا میں بھی خوار ہو رہے ہیں اور ہمارا آخرت کا سامان بھی پورا نہیں ہے. کافی باتیں جو میں کہنا چاہتا تھا وہ نیو نے تحریر کر دی ہیں. میں صرف یہ کہنا چاہتا ہوں کہ کیا ہمارے بنی کریم صلی الله علیہ وآلہ وسلم یا صحابہ اکرام رضي الله عنهم نے خدا کو خوش کرنے کے لیے غاروں کا رخ کیا تھا؟ انہوں نے جو کام بھی کیا تھا خدا کی خوشنودی کے لیے کیا تھا. وہ دنیا میں بھی سر خرو تھے اور خدا کے ہاں بھی لیکن ہم دنیا کو خوش کرنے کے چکر میں دنیا کو بھی منہ دکھانے کے قابل نہیں ہیں اور نہ ہی خدا کو

    نہ خدا ہی ملا نہ وصال صنم – نہ اِدھر کے رہے نہ اُدھر کے رہے ہم

  34. time says:

    @naive

    Good attempt to spin Bawa’s vauge thoughts. He is not refering to material needs. His clear reference is respondents of this survey the actual people who live some where. He is arguing we should not worry about what they think about us we should focus on what are God’s directives and and what are his expectations …. my friend that the recipe that is sold to every suicide bomber. Bawa is a nice man with fairly rational head on top but here I think he has thrown a very loose ball.

  35. naive says:

    ویسے آپس کی بات ہے کہ اسلام والے خدا کو راضی کرنا ہے تو ہمیں یہ قومیّتوں کے گھن چکّر سے تھوڑا اوپر اٹھنا ہو گا! الا رض لللہ ، الملک لللہ! آپ بھائیوں کا کیا خیال ہے؟

  36. naive says:

    The concept of nation-state which became fashionable in 18th century and became very popular as a tool of Imerialist powers in the 20th century is a very dangerous concept. As per this concept, every nation should have its own sovereign state and this has led to many catastrophes over the years. A huge number of countries have been created; latest examples are the nausent states of South Ossetia and Abkhazia which have been severed out of a beleagured Georgia. Will this process of creating states using the tool of nationalistic feelings and emotions ever end? This nation-state concept has divided the erstwhile Ottomons into very many countries and Arabs into more than 20 countries. Central Asia, which is largely Muslim, has been divided into six week countries which are always at loggerheads with one another. Afghanistan,Iran, Iraq, Pakistan are different countries despite overwhelming majority of Muslim populations and geographical proximity. And, this bloody concept of nation-state is being used to sow the seeds of the states like Greater Balochistan and Kurdistan to further divide the weak countries. Only a few countries can be free from the troubles created by this idea of nation-state. Look at Canada which is facing problems in Quebec and China in Taiwan. My question is: should Muslims (who are supposed to believe in universal brotherhood) buy this idea of nation-state?

  37. Bawa says:

    @ edmonton @ time @ naive @ Rashid

    برادران. خدا سب کا ہے صرف مسلمانوں کا ہی نہیں. ہر کوئی خدا کو کسی نہ کسی نام سے مانتا ہے. خدا کی تعلیمات پر عمل کریں. اچھے کام کریں اور برے کاموں سے بچیں. انسانیت کی خدمت کریں، انسانوں سیپےار کریں اور اپنے فرائض منصبی ایمانداری سے ادا کریں تو اس سے خدا بھی رضی اور دنیا بھی آپکے قدموں میں. رونہ صرف دنیا کے چکر میں رہیں گے تو دونوں طرف سے خوار ہونگے جیسا کہ اسوقت ہو رہے ہیں

    مجھے آپ کوئی مذہبی آدمی نہ سمجھیں میں کوئی مذہبی آدمی نہیں ہوں لیکن خدا کی ناراضگی سے بچنے کی کوشش ضرور کرتا ہوں. ایک حقیقت ہے جو آپ تک پہنچائی ہے اور شاید جسے ہم بھول بیٹھے ہیں

  38. time says:

    @naive

    If I understand you correctly you are saying you don’t want nations on ethenic basis like Scotland, Ireland, Bangal etc but instead wants to promote nations around religious basis Muslim, Christians, Hindus, Jews, Budists etc empires?

  39. naive says:

    In India, Nagas are asking for their separate states; so is the stance of majority of Kashmiris. And there are hundreds of other such nations within India. In Russia, Chechens are fighting since last 20 years for having an independent state of their own. In Kyrgyzstan and Yemen, north and south are increasingly moving away from each other which can easily result in creation of more states. In Sudan, Darfur has already been made an almost separate entity as Timor-Leste and Cyprus were created becuase of this bloody concept of nation-state. Do you foresee an end to it in near future?

  40. naive says:

    I am speaking from the point of view of a Muslim! I am trying to approach this problem that is facing us, the Muslims particularly! Being a Muslim, I think there is no harm in looking for a universal Muslim state.

  41. time says:

    @Bawa

    In my view good and evil lives beyond religious boundaries it’s wrong to confine it wthin religion’s periphery. I understand and appreciate universality of religions but frankly I think at this point religion is part of our problem not solution. The world perceives us religious fanatics and there is a rational behind it.

  42. Bawa says:

    @ time
    Bawa

    In my view good and evil lives beyond religious boundaries it’s wrong to confine it wthin religion’s periphery. I understand and appreciate universality of religions but frankly I think at this point religion is part of our problem not solution. The world perceives us religious fanatics and there is a rational behind it.

    آپکی بات میں سمجھ رہا ہوں. اچھائی اور برائی کی آپ نے اچھی وضاحت کی ہے. آپ شاید مذھب کو طالبان یا انتہا پسندوں کی نظر سے دیکھ رہے ہیں. ہر مذھب کی بنیادی تعلیمات ایک ہی ہیں یعنی برائی سے روکنا اور اچھائی کا درس دینا. مذھب کہتا ہے کہ ایک بے گناہ کا قتل پوری انسانیت کا قتل ہے اور بے گناہ کو قتل کرنے والا قابل نفرت ہے. اگر ہمارے دل میں خوف خدا ہوگا تو ہم ایسی برائیوں سے بھی بچ جائیں گے جن کو ہم عام طور پر برا نہیں سمجھتے. مثلا شراب نوشی عموما برائی نہیں ہے لیکن اگر آپ مذھب کی رو سے دیکھیں گے تو شراب نوشی سے گریز کریں گے. اس سے ایک تو آپ بیماریوں سے بچ جائیں گے اور دوسرے خدا کی ناراضگی سےبھی

  43. naive says:

    But, living in a Muslim state does not mean that we can not accept the existence of other states. If the other states would not bother us, we would not bother them.

    Anyhow, can anyone comment on the nation-state system which is ruining the foundations of very many states of today’s world?

  44. Bawa says:

    @ time
    Good attempt to spin Bawa’s vauge thoughts. He is not refering to material needs. His clear reference is respondents of this survey the actual people who live some where. He is arguing we should not worry about what they think about us we should focus on what are God’s directives and and what are his expectations …. my friend that the recipe that is sold to every suicide bomber.

    برادرم. خود کش بمباروں کا مذھب سے کیا تعلق یا وہ کونسی مذہبی تعلیمات پر عمل کر رہے ہیں. غلط لوگوں کو بنیاد بنا کر مذھب کو بدنام نہ کریں. میں یہ کہتا ہوں کہ دل میں خوف خدا پیدا کریں اور خدا کی تعلیمات پر عمل کریں تو دنیا بھی آپکی اور آخرت بھی. یہ سوچ کر اچھے کام نہ کریں کہ ہم دنیا کو خوش کرنے جا رہے ہیں بلکہ یہ سوچ کر اچھے کام کریں کہ یہ حکم خدا ہے

  45. Bawa says:

    @ edmonton
    Bawa

    soory to say … app ki yeh taqrer mujhay karachi university k kisi department k NAZIM say milti julti lag rhi hay …….

    آپکو یہ سنکر مایوسی ہوگی کہ میں کبھی کسی بدمعاش تنظیم میں نہیں رہا
    :)

  46. time says:

    @naive

    I will beg to differ with your state hood philosphy. I think you are trying to sell what JI is attempting for decades. The notion that muslims across the globe are one nation is one reason why we are not able to develop as pakistanis like Americans or Canadians or Indians. The philophy is not only well received globally but I think it’s flawed. Political federations are made to protect certain rights and adress common problems.

    As Bawa said believing God is universal. I am not sure how believing in one prophet or another OR one book or another will make my social, cultural, material, political issues similar to someone living in other part of the globe speaking different language altogether.

  47. parahoo says:

    Poll result is not surprising, and we should improve our character and manners tohelp ourselves.
    I dont think that we can only blame some personalities for this , this will again be blamig someone else.
    I agree with Bawa that we love duniyaa too much and we are greedy in general and ungrateful to God Almighty.

  48. Bawa says:

    @ edmonton
    mera aik mulk 2nd pay oper say aur dosra 2nd neechay say…
    kia yeh khuuullla tiizadd nahi hehe

    اگر آپ ادمنٹن میں ہیں تو میں آپکے بہت قریب ہوں. صرف چھے گھنٹے کی ڈرائیو پر
    :)

  49. Bawa says:

    @time
    Bawa

    Suicide attackers and their gurus are doing this in the name of Jihad. Do you disagree with teachings of Jihad or Jihad as a religious phenomena?

    کیا آپکو معلوم ہے کہ جہاد کیا ہے؟ جن کے خلاف کیا جاتا ہے؟ اور کس کے کہنے پر کیا جاتا ہے؟ اگر آپکو جہاد کی حقیقت کا ہی نہیں پتہ تو آپ کیوں مذھب کو بدنام کرنا چاہتے ہیں؟

  50. Bawa says:

    @time

    آپ جہاد کے عظیم تصور کو غلط معنی نہ پہنائیں. جہاد بہت عظیم جذبہ ہے اور قوموں کو سر اٹھا کر جینا اور اپنا اور اپنے ملک کا دفاع کرنا سکھاتا ہے

  51. yahya says:

    “ویسے ہمیں اسکی کتنی فکر ہے کہ دنیا ہم سے نفرت کرتی ہے اور ہمیں دنیا کے سامنے سرخرو ہونا ہے لیکن کیا کبھی ہمیں یہ فکر بھی ہوئی ہے کہ ہمیں خدا کے سامنے بھی سر خرو ہونا ہے”

    @bawa:

    zuban-e-khlaq ku naqaara-e-khuda samjhu

  52. naive says:

    @Time!

    I am not trying to sell Jamat Islami of Pakistan’s theory. I have my own world view which is based upon the basic teachings of Islam and the philosophical thought of Muslim scholars including Allama Iqbal.

    As far as your following sentence is concerned: ” I am not sure how believing in one prophet or another OR one book or another will make my social, cultural, material, political issues similar to someone living in other part of the globe speaking different language altogether.” I beg to state that this view is historically and even in view of contemporary world can not be proved to be sound. Islam, in its entirety, is a complete way of life which takes care of all social, political, cultural, material needs of an individual as well as society.

    As far as speaking of different languages is concerned, if we, Pakistanis, can communicate in English, if a universal Muslim state would ever be created, it would develop a lingvo franca as well. Just like the way English was adopted by the people of America though, at that time, there was a majority of ethnic German in the US.

    I would recommend you to give a dispassionate reading to “Islami Nazriya Hayat” by Khursheed Ahmed. You would get logical answers to your doubts.

  53. time says:

    @Bawa

    In dark ages Jihad had significance and value the way you are describing. In today’s world it’s nothing more that militant wing of MQM, JI, Hammas, Hizbullah, Lashker Taiyba etc. It provides religious cover and justification to pursue your political agenda violently. I opposed this non sense when Stalin did that, when Hitler did that and I oppose it when Qazi or Altaf Hussein or 0$ama does that. Jihadi culture is the biggest reason civilized world preceives us negatively. I am disappointed when educated people like you reaping the fruits of western socities justifes this utter non-sense.

  54. Yousafzai says:

    First of all, this rating must NOT be taken serious. Remember that we don’t and have never had anything called Public Relations in other countries. Our embassies, consulates or any other cultural outlets do very little or nothing to promote Pakistan neither do our sports anymore. Pakistan is not a rich country with big trade partners, is not a manufacturing powerhouse like China and doesn’t enjoy any political clout either. All what people in the West get to know about Pakistan is from the media and everyone knows what the media shows/says so lets not get into that.

    Even in terms of other countries’ ratings, there are countless factors which play their role in a country’s reputation. Brazil for example is best know in the West for its football, China is looked down upon because of the western media’s continous campaign to malign it as an ugly dictatorship, the role of Taj Mahal can’t be ignored in India’s fame – people who wouldn’t even know where India is on the map know about Taj Mahal, Iran is the favourite target these days of the western pathetic campaign regardign its nuclear program and the list can go on. Hence taking these ratings as a reflection of the overall image of a country in the mind of another country’s population would be rather ridiculous to say the least.

    Having said that, there is no reason Pakistan can’t be on the postive top of this list IF ONLY our leaders could be the positive top.

    If you want to know why is Pakistan second on the negative end, compare Zardari with presidents and prime ministers of Germany, UK, Japan etc and you will get the answer.

  55. socratese says:

    well this is like a contest and Pakistan’s good point is never highlighted by Pakistani inefficient embassies and bad points are every day higlighted by Media mostly controlled by Jews all over the world like Rupert Murdoch who is owner of Sky, Fox, WP etc etc.
    so why to worry on this stupid poll, why not to put our house in order and make progress in arts and science and you will see this world will run after us.

  56. norozkhan says:

    It is embarrassing but I am not surprised to see Pakistan 2nd on the list. With present
    information technology world is fully aware of the mess in Pakistan.

    Take a look at the imperial and extravagant life style of our President, Prime Minister,
    leader of the opposition and other politicians who spend millions in a day while an ordinary Pakistani is unable to feed his family. Millions go hungry every day and thousands die
    because they are unable to pay for medical care.

    Routine target killing, bomb exploding every day, no one feels safe in Pakistan and
    Pakistani living abroad avoids visiting their own country as they are afraid of getting
    kidnapped, robbed or killed.

    Wake up guys, it is not a pleasant scenario in Pakistan, present leadership is hopeless,
    and we need a miracle to find a sincere leader who can lead us to our destiny.

  57. Bawa says:

    @ time
    Bawa

    In dark ages Jihad had significance and value the way you are describing. In today’s world it’s nothing more that militant wing of MQM, JI, Hammas, Hizbullah, Lashker Taiyba etc. It provides religious cover and justification to pursue your political agenda violently. I opposed this non sense when Stalin did that, when Hitler did that and I oppose it when Qazi or Altaf Hussein or 0$ama does that. Jihadi culture is the biggest reason civilized world preceives us negatively. I am disappointed when educated people like you reaping the fruits of western socities justifes this utter non-sense.

    جناب. آپ الله تعالیٰ کے احکامات کو جھٹلا سکتے ہیں میں نہیں. میں ایک گناہگار مسلمان ہی سہی لیکن الله تعالیٰ کے کسی حکم کو جھٹلانے کی جرات نہیں کر سکتا. جب الله تعالیٰ نے جہاد کا حکم دیا ہے تو یہ کسی ایک دور کے لیے نہیں ہے. اسکا حکم ہر دور میں اپلائی ہوتا ہے. میں معافی چاہتا ہوں اگر آپ غیر مسلم ہیں لیکن ہم مسلمانوں کا یہی عقیدہ ہے اور اسمیں کوئی ردوبدل نہیں ہو سکتا. ہماری مسلح افواج کا ماٹو بھی جہاد فی سبیل الله ہےاور ہمارے سپاہی اسی جہاد کو مد نظر کھا کی راہ میں اپنی جانیں قربان کرتے ہیں اور شہادت پاتے ہیں. کوئی مغربی پراپیگنڈہ ہمارے سینوں سے جذبہ جہاد ختم نہیں کر سکتا

  58. Bawa says:

    @ yahya
    “ویسے ہمیں اسکی کتنی فکر ہے کہ دنیا ہم سے نفرت کرتی ہے اور ہمیں دنیا کے سامنے سرخرو ہونا ہے لیکن کیا کبھی ہمیں یہ فکر بھی ہوئی ہے کہ ہمیں خدا کے سامنے بھی سر خرو ہونا ہے”

    @bawa:

    zuban-e-khlaq ku naqaara-e-khuda samjhu

    …………………………………………………………………..

    جناب. اگر زبان خلق نقارہ خدا ہوتا ہے تو پھر الله تعالیٰ کو نبی، رسول اور کتابیں بھیجنے کی کیا ضرورت تھی؟ پھر کیوں نہیں زبان خلق کو ہی نقارہ خدا بنا لیا گیا؟ زبان خلق غلط تھی تو نبی، رسول اور کتابیں انسانوں کی رہنمائی کے لیے آئے

  59. Zaheer says:

    A very interesting poll and opinion about Pakistan. Although the authenticity and fairness of the poll could be highly questioned but still aspects of Pakistan that are projected by the media around the world are not quite positive and healthy. Pakistan is presented as monster, war monger and fully disturbed country around the globe. We, Pakistanis, in general are quite good, friendly, intelligent and open people although we have our own weaknesses like anyone else but people of the world are not aware of our positive characteristics. We lack self confidence and also start believing what others tell of us.

    It is rightly and sadly true that our political leadership is one of the worst and it is because of our own deeds, laziness and incompetency. We are not interested in correcting ourselves and leaders/system/governance and we just think although we are aware of problems it is not our business though at the end of the day, everyone pays for the incompetent, corrupt and insincere leadership: we are paying for it everybody can see! Very interestingly our leaders mainly think that they are always right and ultimate intellect because people don’t question their acts, don’t disturb them and treat them as saviors.

    People just think that if their personal interest is secure then they don’t need to think about anything else like interest of society or country. Our plans and goals are personal than as a nation in general and that is one of the biggest reasons why besides having so many resources, talent and intellect we are failing. We need to understand that if our country is strong then our personal interests are also secure otherwise we will be paying in one or other way!
    Here is the beautiful picture of our wonderful, intelligent and extraordinary leadership! and do you know who is leading them all? Of course he must be the best among them! and he is smiley great President of Pakistan!

    http://tinyurl.com/y2do8ey

  60. time says:

    @Bawa

    I am surprised how you spin ground realities. Show me a statement of Gen. Kiyani or Musharaaf where they said Pak Army is organized around jihadi ideologies. Our army is not any different than Indian army defending their national frontiers. If it’s a jihadi army as you proclaim why did they brutally crushed Bengalis. There was no threat to Islam there. Pakistan’s geographical boundaries were under threat and our crossed every conceivable limit to protect that. Why this jihadi army is launching one operation after another against other jihadis.

    Our army is not doing jihadi organization it’s a national defense force like any other organized secular pluralistic nations of 21st century. They raised jihadi slogans under Zia because Americans wanted that.

    If anyone is doing jihad it’s rebel militant groups that you and me are not willing to stand by with. They want to revive centuries old jihadi concepts that you were defending but not acknowledging. The jihad is nothing but a fisad and modern civilized society has no room for this crap. Society has evolved peaceful ways to promote/defend their political and economic interests.

  61. yahya says:

    “جناب. آپ الله تعالیٰ کے احکامات کو جھٹلا سکتے ہیں میں نہیں. میں ایک گناہگار مسلمان ہی سہی لیکن الله تعالیٰ کے کسی حکم کو جھٹلانے کی جرات نہیں کر سکتا. جب الله تعالیٰ نے جہاد کا حکم دیا ہے تو یہ کسی ایک دور کے لیے نہیں ہے. اسکا حکم ہر دور میں اپلائی ہوتا ہے.”

    Bawa sahab aap kab amreeka main jihad shroo farma rahay hain?

  62. jav says:

    میں نہیں سمجھ سکا کہ یہ سروے کن لوگوں پر کیا گیا .. سوالات کی نویت کیا تھی … کن وجوہات کی بنا پر پاکستان سے اتنی نفرت کی جاتی ہے … اور کون لوگ کرتے ہیں .. اور کب سے کر رہے ہیں…. اگر سروے میں پوچھے جانے والے سوال بھی شامل کر دیے جاتے تو تبصرہ کرنا آسان ہوتا ….. اور جوابات دینے والوں کی قومیت اور تعلیمی قابلیت سامنے ہوتی تو اور بھی آسان ہو جاتا … بظاہر لگتا ہے کہ یہ سروے انڈیا یا israeel میں کیا گیا ہے …. یا پھر امریکی پارلیمنٹ سے pooch کر رپورٹ مرتب کی گے ہے … باقی دنیا تو شاید ہمیں اتنا جانتی بھی نہیں … اور محبّت یا نفرت کے لیے پہلے جاننا ضروری ہے البتہ ایک آپشن اور بھی ہے … یہ سروے یو کے میں ان علاقوں میں کیا گیا ہے جہاں پاکستانی مقیم ہیں اور یہ سوالات ان کے محلہ داروں اور پڑوسیوں سے کیا گے ہوں گے … تو اس کا جواب تو پھر یہی ہونا تھا ….. ان لوگوں کے داستان ایسے ہو گی کہ میں ان پاکستانیوں کو تب سے جانتا ہوں جب پہلا پاکستانی ہمارے محلے میں رہنے آیا … پھر اس کے گھر کے دیں بین مکان بکنا شروع گے … آج حالت یہ ہے کے وہاں ایک بھی گورا نہیں رہا … پورے کے پورے علاقے پاکستانیوں کے ہو چکے ہیں …

    ایک آخری آپتیوں یہ ہو سکتا ہے کے سارا کچھ بس ڈرامہ ہو … اور یہ سروے رپورٹ بھی ڈاکٹر شاہد کی زرداری بھگاؤ مہم کا حصّہ ہو …. سوال یہ ہو کہ آپ پاکستان کی موجودہ حکومت سے کتنی نفرت کرتے ہیں … سب فورم والوں نے باواز بلند کہاں ہو …. زرداری کھپے کھپے کھپے …

  63. jav says:

    میں نہیں سمجھ سکا کہ یہ سروے کن لوگوں پر کیا گیا .. سوالات کی نویت کیا تھی … کن وجوہات کی بنا پر پاکستان سے اتنی نفرت کی جاتی ہے … اور کون لوگ کرتے ہیں .. اور کب سے کر رہے ہیں…. اگر سروے میں پوچھے جانے والے سوال بھی شامل کر دیے جاتے تو تبصرہ کرنا آسان ہوتا ….. اور جوابات دینے والوں کی قومیت اور تعلیمی قابلیت سامنے ہوتی تو اور بھی آسان ہو جاتا … بظاہر لگتا ہے کہ یہ سروے انڈیا یا اسرایل میں کیا گیا ہے …. یا پھر امریکی پارلیمنٹ سے پوچ کر رپورٹ مرتب کی گے ہے … باقی دنیا تو شاید ہمیں اتنا جانتی بھی نہیں … اور محبّت یا نفرت کے لیے پہلے جاننا ضروری ہے البتہ ایک آپشن اور بھی ہے … یہ سروے یو کے میں ان علاقوں میں کیا گیا ہے جہاں پاکستانی مقیم ہیں اور یہ سوالات ان کے محلہ داروں اور پڑوسیوں سے کیا گے ہوں گے … تو اس کا جواب تو پھر یہی ہونا تھا ….. ان لوگوں کے داستان ایسے ہو گی کہ میں ان پاکستانیوں کو تب سے جانتا ہوں جب پہلا پاکستانی ہمارے محلے میں رہنے آیا … پھر اس کے گھر کے دیں بایں مکان بکنا شروع گے … آج حالت یہ ہے کے وہاں ایک بھی گورا نہیں رہا … پورے کے پورے علاقے پاکستانیوں کے ہو چکے ہیں …

    ایک آخری آپشن یہ ہو سکتا ہے کے سارا کچھ بس ڈرامہ ہو … اور یہ سروے رپورٹ بھی ڈاکٹر شاہد کی زرداری بھگاؤ مہم کا حصّہ ہو …. سوال یہ ہو کہ آپ پاکستان کی موجودہ حکومت سے کتنی نفرت کرتے ہیں … سب فورم والوں نے باواز بلند کہاں ہو …. زرداری کھپے کھپے کھپے …

  64. jav says:

    ConcernedAmericanPak said:

    ……..Pakistan is in the epicenter of disaster at this time in history and the only way out is a revolution of accountability and the rule of Law.

    ……………………………………………………..
    Sir G…. long time no see…. have u been ok….. I eagerly seek your views at this forum…. especially when Zardari is getting the clean chit from UNO…. at least now you should say once … Zardari Khappay…

  65. Bawa says:

    @ jav

    اس سروے کی حقیقت کا اندازہ اس بات سے لگایا جا سکتا ہے کہ لاکھوں عراقی اور افغانی مسلمانوں کے قاتل برطانیہ اور امریکہ کو دنیا کس نظر سے دیکھتی ہے؟ یورپ میں کیے جانے والے سروے کے نتایج اس کے علاوہ ہو بھی کیا سکتے تھے؟ یہی سروے اسلامی ممالک میں کیا جاتا تو کیا زرلٹ ہوتے؟

  66. jav says:

    Bawa said:
    @ time

    چن جی. ہماری فوج کا ماٹو کیا ہے؟ اگر نہیں پتہ تو میں بتائے دیتا ہوں

    جہاد فی سبیل الله
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    BAwa G Sarkaar… Azizi ki dhamaal qabool karain….. pls let it go …. these things look good in books…. if you go to any army unit.. u will see plenty of Quraan and Hadees on the walls… they are only on the walls .. mind it…. dont exist in practice…. tell any one occasion when this army have done Jehad Fi Sabeelillah…. they just fight for the country and by the orders of the Commands… as per indian and other army does…..

  67. time says:

    @bawa

    Bakol Ghalib

    Bosse ko poochta hoon moo se mujh ko bata ke yooon

    If you love and believe in jihad what are you doing in 9-5 society? Why don’t you join your idols in caves?

  68. Bawa says:

    @ time
    bawa

    True, that’s why they launch one operation after another to fulfill American wishes decade after decade

    جب بے نظیروں اور زرداریوں کے ہاتھ میں حکومت آئے گی تو ایسا ہی ہوگا. انہیں تو سوئس اکاومنٹس بھرنے سے غرض ہے اور اسکے لیے ڈالرز چاہئیے جو آپریشن پر آپریشن لانچ کرکے ہی کمائے جا سکتے ہیں
    :) :)

  69. Bawa says:

    @ time
    bawa

    Bakol Ghalib

    Bosse ko poochta hoon moo se mujh ko bata ke yooon

    If you love and believe in jihad what are you doing in 9-5 society? Why don’t you join your idols in caves?

    چن جی. میں نے آپ سے پہلے بھی کہا ہے کہ آپکو معلوم ہی نہیں کہ جہاد کیا ہے؟ کس پر فرض ہے؟ کن کے خلاف کیا جاتا ہے؟ اور اسکا حکم کون دیتا ہے؟ لیکن آپکی وہی مرغے ہی ایک ٹانگ والی رٹ ہے
    :)

  70. Zaheer says:

    @time

    Pakistan is based on ideology of Islam and that is what our Army also possesses. Our national frontiers are based upon Islamic teachings and that is not like India. In case of Bangladesh it is more Indian conspiracy and propaganda than doings of our army, i don’t say that we are free of that mistake but facts in general are false and exaggerated about happenings of Bangladesh: it happened mainly because of bad political and army leadership.

    Pakistan army right now is only fighting those elements who are anti-Islam and anti-Pakistan! Neither we are secular society nor our army is secular, we are Muslims as majority! It is true that Jihad has been mainly misunderstood and misused in recent times but Jihad is part of Islam. I don’t really think that those rebel groups are doing Jihad, anyone who takes a gun in his hand and starts fighting using Islamic slogans is not necessarily doing Jihad. It is work of Ullema(with their consensus) to decide when, where and what type of Jihad has to be done as there are so many different forms and levels of Jihad although people in general wrongly think that physical fight is the only Jihad! So you want that Muslims stop resisting massacres and invasions done by your masters and leave themselves on their mercy? If we are attacked by others then what should we do in response? What should physical defensive fighting then be called according to your new and great dictionary?

    “Society has evolved peaceful ways to promote/defend their political and economic interests.”

    This point is quite strong and meaningful. I personally think that at this juncture of time everyone including Muslims need to look for peaceful means than physical fights because conditions for peaceful settlements are quite favorable right now and world is tired of wars! And for that your masters also need to stop killings, misuse, hidden attacks and suppression of Muslims otherwise sooner or later physical Jihad(Qital) could start and it will be a nightmare for all. Show sincerity and understanding!!!

  71. time says:

    @bawa

    I know bud …. After Qazi & Hameed Gul’s kids Bawas are also exempted …. It’s mandatory only for ordinary folks :)

    You are doing jihad too fighting their case in cyber world

  72. duago says:

    @time

    Read the following very carefully (if you are a muslim and hadees concerns you) which I have posted in these forums before.

    The evils of nationalism/tribalism/patriotism

    I’ve noticed that many of us rather than accept people by their religion, we judge them by the country they are from, and base our allegiance/separation upon this. So I thought I’d share some Hadith on the topic. lndeed, even when the Muhaajirs (those Companions who migrated from Makkah to Madeenah) and the Ansaars (those Companions who aided and supported those who migrated) argued, such that one of the Muhaajirs said:” O Muhaajirs! (implying; rally to my aid) ” And one of the Ansaar said: “O Ansaar!” Upon hearing this, the Prophet sallallaahu ‘alayhi wa sallam said:“Is it with the calls of Jaahiliyyah that you call, and l am still amongst you!” And he became very angry at that.” [Related by al-Bukhaaree (8/137)]

    The Prophet sallallaahu ‘alayhi wa sallam said: “Whosoever leaves off obedience and separates from the Jamaa’ah and dies, he dies a death of jaahiliyyah. Whoever fights under the banner of the blind, becoming angry for ‘asabiyyah (partisanship and party spirit), or calling to ‘asabiyyah, or assisting ‘asabiyyah, then dies, he dies a death of jaahiliyyah.” [Sahih Muslim (6/21) from Abu Hurayrah radiallaahu’Anhu ]

    Narrated by Abu Da’wud that the Messenger of Allah (saaw) said, “He is not one us who calls for `Asabiyyah, (nationalism/tribalism) or who fights for `Asabiyyah or who dies for `Asabiyyah.”

    And in another Hadith, the Messenger of Allah (saaw) referring to nationalism, racism, and patriotism said: “Leave it, it is rotten.” [Muslim and Bukhari] and in the Hadith recorded in Mishkat al-Masabith, the Messenger of Allah (saaw) said, “He who calls for `Asabiyyah is as if he bit his father’s genitals”

    Also, the Messenger of Allah (saaw) said, narrated by At-Tirmidhi and Abu Dawud
    “There are indeed people who boast of their dead ancestors; but in the sight of Allah they are more contemptible than the black beetle that rolls a piece of dung with its nose. Behold, Allah has removed from you the arrogance of the Time of Jahiliyyah (Ignorance) with its boast of ancestral glories.”

    Also, the Messenger of Allah (saaw) said, “Undoubtedly Allah has removed from you the pride of arrogance of the age of Jahilliyah and the glorification of ancestors.”

    “You are all the children of Adam and Adam was made of clay. People should give up their pride in nations because that is a coal from the coals of Hell-fire. If they do not give this up Allah (swt) will consider them lower than the lowly worm which pushes itself through Khara (dung).” [Abu Dawud and Tirmidhi]

    Bro, just remember that two wrongs don’t make a right. When we die we will have to answer for all our deeds, in our grave and in the life hereafter. Allah won’t ask what you did for Sindh, Mumbai, Balochistan, Kashmir or even Palestine. All muslims are fighting for lands today and that is why they are divided. Who doesn’t love freedom? but a momin will only get his freedom when he closes his eyes to meet his maker. Out of India, people made Pakistan and out of Pakistan they made Bangladesh. But are their generations any happier? where are the rewards? the elite is everywhere, where are the fruits for all who dreamed?

    @BAWA

    آپ کا حال بھی شاید میرے جیسا ہے ، جب سیاست سے دل بھر جاتا ہے تو الله یاد آتا ہے.
    اس سیاست سے میں بیزار ہو چکا ہوں ، اگر ہم معاشی انقلاب بھی لیں آئین تو کیا مسلمان مومن بن جاۓ گا؟ یا ایمان پے آ جاۓ گا ؟ تنگی میں الله یاد آتا ہے پر کیا خوشحالی میں بھی ؟
    ہر شخص اپنے اپنے اعمال کا ذمےدار ہے اور اب تو وقت بھی بوہت تھوڑا ہے ، اگر ہماری نسلیں ہی ایمان پے قائم رہیں تو وہ بھی ہمارے لئے بڑی بات ہوگی
    مجھ اور آپ جیسے لوگ شائد خوش قسمت ہیں کے معاشی بدحالی سے دور ہیں اور تنہائی بھی میسر ہے ، تنہائی جو انسان کو سوچنے پر مجبور کرتی ہے جس کا اسلام تقاضا کرتا ہے لیکن اس سے ہم پے ذمداری بھی بڑھتی ہے کے جو ہم محسوس کرتے ہیں اسے دوسروں تک پہونچائیں

    تبارك الذي بيده الملك وهو على كل شي قدير
    بڑی بابرکت ہے وہ ذات جس کے ہاتھ میں ہیں بادشاہی
    اور وہ ہر چیز پر قادر ہے

    الذي خلق الموت والحياة ليبلوكم ايكم احسن عملا ، وهوالعزيز الغفور
    وہ ذات جس نے پیدا کیا موت اور زندگی کو تا کہ آزمائش کرے تمہاری کہ کون تم میں سے زیادہ اچھا ہے عمل میں – اور وہ ہے زبردست، بے انتہا معاف فرمانے والا

    It just downed upon me – amazing – he created ‘death’. created, DEATH. I am glad I wrote this post, aik naya nukta zehman main aa gaya. aaj se pehlay to socha bhi na tha ke maut ko bhi paida kiya gaya hai. Amazing. Mashallah.

    @naive
    Our Muslim brothers look with envy towards America. Why? because of wealth and the higher life standard. For them, a union of non-muslim states is acceptable whether be is America or European Union. But sadly they balk when you mention a union of the Islamic states. Even when they have no Eeman left in their hearts and they have no interest in one ummah, they still don’t want to understand the social and economic benefits they would reap in return. When you talk about Ummah, they don’t see wealth, they see Islam.

    Why are we in this mess? I think it is because we do not have a central authority that can intervene on behalf of muslims. Which can give ultimatum to Osama to stop terrorism and warn India and Russia to stop killing muslims in Kashmir and Chechniya. To act as a guarantor in conflicts as wide as Palestine and Kashgar.

    But if this happened, there would be peace in this world but zionists, warmongers, new cons and kaalay firangi don’t want that, do they?

    Musalman ka aik he naara, Itifaq Itifaq Itifaq.

  73. duago says:

    Since my last post, some more comments have been posted about Pakistan Army and Jihad.

    I do not think Pakistani Army is now or perhaps ever before doing Jihad. but it is on the intention of every sipahi, if he believes that he is fighting for allah and islam then inshallah he will die a shaheed. But if someone is killing for nationalism (official e.g. Army or unofficial e.g. Baloch rebels) then personally I don’t think they die a shaheed.

    Get one thing straight. Suicide bombing is as bad as ANY other type of bombing. Be it tanks, missiles or jets. What happened in Wadi Teerah recently should open our eyes. Pakistan Army killed 73 unarmed muslim civilians. Motto doesn’t justify action. Zardari’s motto may well be ‘jamhooriyat’ but is it really???

    Muslims did not initiate WWI or WWII, neither did they drop nuclear bombs on Nagasaki and Hiroshima. We have nothing to be embarassed about. Our deen is perfect. What is happening now is not Jihad, but a reaction. Osama openly says that he is taking revenge from America. Others are fighting for lands e.g. in Palestine. If muslim nations were sincere then they would help the plight of their muslim brothers. Egypt would open doors for Palestinians. Pakistanis for Kashmiris (from Maqbuza Kashmir). Pakistan won’t even welcome muslims who are stuck in Bangladesh, its own citizens one time, so where is the spirit of Jihad???

    If a muslim drops a bomb on a non muslim land i.e. Pakisani jet drops a bomb on an indian city which kills an innocent child alongside the intended target, how can you justify the death of the child in Islam? Muslim countries should give up weapons of mass destruction and lead this confused age and society into a new era of peace. We need to show the world the Islam is about peace and even if provoked, we will not commit the same henious crimes by dropping bombs on civilian population, whether muslim or non-muslim.

  74. shimatoree says:

    What this poll shows or appear to show is only important to the WESTOXICATED people.

    The plethora of comments on this thread only shows that “being liked” by the West is what is in demand

    Actually the very premise of the poll is absurd .

    Who took the poll ? Where was the poll taken ? What questions were asked and what parameters taken into account.

    And everyone wonders as to why things are so bad ! Do we really need to read a poll by the BBC to tell us that.

    Really !

  75. islamabadi1 says:

    @Concerned AmericanPak,

    Keep your hate filled outburst and lies to your Amrika. We don’t need views of dirty Amrikans here.

    Secondly, I would like all the readers to notice how the poster of this thread has conviniently changed the words of the poll by BBC from “Negatively perceived” to “Most hated” to suit his own designs. Anyone can see this is open propanganda…There is a huge difference between “Negatively perceived” and “Most Hated”. Dear poser…we are not idiots here…but you sure are…

  76. time says:

    @zaheer

    Americans are my masters that’s why I joined them in ” jihad” in 80’s. What about your idols Qai o$AMA and co. Why were they fighting along “my” masters :)

  77. Guilty says:

    @time
    —————————

    آپ کے فساد والے جملے سے بخوبی اندازہ ھوتا ھے کہ آپ کا کوئی دینی علم نہیں ھے۔ آپ ایک ٹیپیکل لے مین ھیں جو صرف وڈیو گیمز وغیرہ ھی کھیلا کرتے ھیں۔

    میرے برادر جا کر کوئی وڈیو گیم کھیلو یا کوئی اچھا سا ٹی۔وی چینل دیکھو۔ یا زیادہ سے زیادہ زرداری ، مشرف یا بش پر چیٹنگ کرو۔

    مذھب تمہارا ٹاپک نہیں ھے۔ ویسے بھی ٹیکنیکلی جب آپ اور آپ کی ماڈرن سوسائٹی ھمیشہ مذھب سے الرجک ھیں اور آپ اور ماڈرن سوسائٹی کسی بھی مذھب کے متعلق کوئی بیسک نالج ھی نہیں رکھتی تو کیسے آپ ڈیئر کرسکتے ھیں مذھب پر با ت کرنے کے لئے۔ آپ ماڈرن ھی رھیں تو بہتر ھے جہاد جیسی مذھبی چیزیں آپ کیوں ڈسکس کرے ھیں۔

  78. jav says:

    دل کے پھپھولے

    سنجیدہ بات تو یہ ہے کہ سروے کیسا ہی ہوا ہو … ہمیں دیکھنا ہے کہ ہم بحثیت قوم کیا کر رہے ہیں .. ہم نے اپنی عزت اور مقام کیا بنایا ہے دنیا میں…. ہم آج کے ترقی یافتہ دور میں بھی ایک مٹرک پاس جاگیر دار کو ووٹ اس لیے دیتے ہیں کہ کل کو یہ ہماری سفارش کرے گا… ہمیں پرمٹ اور لاسنس دلواے گا … ایک قبضہ مافیا اور بدمعاش کو وزیر بنواتے ہیں کے کل کو ہمارے ناجایز قبضوں پر کوی انگلی نہ اٹھا سکے …. ہماری سوچ آج بھی اپنی ذات سے آگے نہ بڑھ سکی …. جب ملک میں بیروزگاری ہو گی .. چوری ڈاکے روز کا معمول ہو گا لوگوں کی جان مال عزت کے رکھوالے جب لٹیرے بن جایں گے … جب انسانی حقوق سر عام پامال ہوں گے … کوے انصاف دینے والا نہ ہو گا … کوے غریب کا پرسان حال نہ ہو گا …. جہاں انسانی جان کی قیمت ایک موبل سے بھی کم رہ جاے گی … جہاں تھانوں میں شرفا کا جانا محال ہو جاے گا جہاں تین اور پانچ سال کی بچیوں کو زیادتی کا نشانہ بنا کر قتل کر دیا جاے گا … جہاں سات سال کی بچی کی شادی پچاس سال کے بوڑھے سے کر دی جاے گیجائداد کی خطر لڑکیوں کو کاری کر دیا جاے گا ….. دو وقت کی روٹی اگر جسم فروشی پر مجبور کر دے اور بچوں کا پٹ بھرنے کے لیے ..بچہ بارے فروخت .. کا بورڈ لٹکا کر اگر عورت بازار میں بیٹھ جاے گی اور کچھ نہ ہو سکے تو ٹرین کی پٹری یا دریا میں چھلانگ لگا کر اپنے آپ کو ہلاک کر لیاجاے …. جہاں معاشرتی تفریق کا یہ عالم ہو کہ ایک طبقہ پانی کی بوند کو ترسے ارو ایک کا پانی فرانس سے امپورٹ کیا جاے …. جہاں گھر سے گے کسی فرد کی واپسی کی کوے گارنٹی نہ ہو .. کون کس وقت روڈ اکسیڈنٹ یا خودکش دھماکے میں مرا گیا … کب کون اغوا براے توان کر لیا جاے ….. جس ملک میں اکیسویں صدی میں بھی بجلی پانی گیس نہ ملتا ہو وہاں دنیا کا کوے سیاہ جانا نہ چاہے .. کوے ٹیم نہ کھیلنا پسند کرے … اپنے لوگ اپنے بہن بہائیں سے ملنے جایں تو اغوا کر لیے جاین… یا مار دیا جاے …. اور لوگ اپنے اپنے دین اور عقاید کے بارے میں اتنے متشدد ہوں کہ کسی اور کے وجود کو برداشت نہ سکیں …. دوسرے مذھب تو درکنار .. دوسرے مکتبہ فکر کو بھی کفاو سمجھتے ہوں … … وہاں کی کے بارے میں اگر کوے سروے اگر یہ کہے کہ بدترین ملکوں میں دوسرے نمبر پر ہے تو حیرت کیوں کرنی چاہے …..پہلا نمبر نہ ملنے پر حسرت کرنی چاہے

  79. time says:

    @guilty bahi

    All these lashkars are created in the name of jihad. Civilians and soldiers are targeted alike in suicide missions in the name of jihad. Human throats are being slitted by these barbarians in the name of jihad. Who do you want me to blame to prove my maturity? India, America & Israel?

  80. Guilty says:

    time said:

    All these lashkars are created in the name of jihad
    ————————————–

    آپ آپ نے خود ھی کہ دیا ھے کہ یہ لوگ کریئٹ کئے گئے۔

    تو آپ دیکھیں کہ کس نے کریئٹ کیا۔ چلیں ایک مثال لے لیتے ھیں۔ کیا آئی۔ایس۔آئی نے ان کو بنایا، آئی۔ایس۔آئی فوج سے کنٹرول ھوتی ھے۔ فوج سپر طاقتوں سے کنٹرول ھوتی ھے۔ اور فائنلی سپر طاقتیں ھی آج کی ماڈرن سوسائٹیان ھیں۔ تو ماڈرن سوسائٹیاں کیسے کرٹیسائز کرسکتی ھیں۔ یہ ان ھی کی گیم ھے اور یہ ھی گیم کھیل رھے ھیں اور یہ ھی گیم کو کنٹرول کررھے ھیں۔

    دوسرے سب سے اھم بات یہ ھے ک ماڈرن سوسائٹی یا کسی اور نے جہاد دیکھا ھی نہیں ھے۔ کیونکہ دنیا میں کہیں جہاد ھو ھی نہیں رھا ھے۔سپر طاقتوں کے پولیٹکل پراجیکٹس جو کہ فلسطین، عراق، افغانستان ، پاکستان میں ھورھے ھیں یہ انٹرنیشنل پالیٹکس ھے کوئی مذھبی ایونٹ نہیں ھے۔

  81. jav says:

    Zaheer said:
    @time

    Pakistan army right now is only fighting those elements who are anti-Islam and anti-Pakistan! Neither we are secular society nor our army is secular, we are Muslims as majority! It is true that Jihad has been mainly misunderstood and misused in recent times but Jihad is part of Islam. I don’t really think that those rebel groups are doing Jihad, anyone who takes a gun in his hand and starts fighting using Islamic slogans is not necessarily doing Jihad. It is work of Ullema(with their consensus) to decide when, where and what type of Jihad has to be done as there are so many different forms and levels of Jihad ….
    —————————
    duago said:
    Since my last post, some more comments have been posted about Pakistan Army and Jihad.

    I do not think Pakistani Army is now or perhaps ever before doing Jihad. but it is on the intention of every sipahi, if he believes that he is fighting for allah and islam then inshallah he will die a shaheed. But if someone is killing for nationalism (official e.g. Army or unofficial e.g. Baloch rebels) then personally I don’t think they die a shaheed
    ====================================================

    brothers … your precision comments are useful for general knowledge…… but this is truth that people have mistaken this word Jihaad since the very bigeing of islam… the first fight between Imam Ali and Bibi Aiesha was the Jehaad for both followeres….. they did it and aproximately 10000 people got killed… they are shaheed or not… who knows…. leave this to Day of Judgment….. this is on going problem since then…. Ali and Muavya…. Umvis and Abbasis…. and so one till now….. Aghan Jehaad against Russia was properly announced by the head of state…Gen Zia…. and majority of Ulma approved it…. later on same Jehaad was announced as Fasaad by Musharaf while they were fighting agisn Neto…. Kashmir Jehaad is still known as Jehaad by majority of Ulma ….. but Dr Israr called it Fasaad at one time…. basically its too lenghty discussion and main thing is out of the todays topic…. better we leave it here as when we discuss religion and Haram halaal at this type of open forums… there are chances of mistakes and errors which may cause bigger problems… better to refrein from this sensitive issues and talk abt Pakitan being no 2 from the bottom….

  82. time says:

    @guilty

    What are we discussing here? Definition of jihad written in some holy books? No I am not discussing what was said and done few centuries ago. I respect that. I condemn what is happening now in the name of jihad. You are saying at this point there is no jihad anywhere on the globe. I don’t see much difference in our view points then.
    I believe this jihadi culture is the major reasons we are perceived negatively around the globe.

    Bloggers here instead of nipping the evil in the bud are blaming Zardari and co. I suspect most of the respondents won’t even know him or his back ground. Indian democracy has produced countless corrupt leaders. I am sure it’s true for any democracy. Hardly any nation ‘d be satisfied with their leadership.

    World does not like us because we export terrorism. I won’t blame politicians for that GHQ is responsible for creating and harboring these strategic assets. Blame Hamid Gul and co for this honor.

  83. sipahi says:

    On his death anniversary, I give my sincere condolences to Allama Iqbal. We, the nation of Pakistan have destroyed your dream. We kept huge army to protect from India, but culturally we have accepted all bad qualities of India.
    My sincere apologies to you, Allama.

  84. ConcernedAmericanPak says:

    ballooners s/b “Billionaires”

    @”islamabadi1″, says it all, you are the part of the problem, and tell me my lies, you sweetness from Islam-a-bad.

  85. naive says:

    @Duago!

    Thanks a lot for your enlightening comments.

    @Time!
    From a secular point of view, your views are absolutely correct. But, I believe in the Islamic idealogy and I would like to promote the true Islam. The nationalities (Muhajirs, Ansaar, Yemanis, Shamis, Balochis, Sindhis, Punjabis) keep on dividing us endlessly! I would request you to study ‘Reconstruction of Religious Thought’ by Allama Iqbal. That would give you a modern perspective on Islam which is a religion for all ages. Dr Muhammad Hameedullah’s ‘Khutbaat-e-Bahawalpur’ also give modern account of Islam and the way to behave in present day society. In his remarks about the concept of state in Islam, Dr Hameedullah said, ‘In Islam, no particular type of government has been made obligatory but justice is obligatory in Islam’.

    @Sipahi!
    I totally agree with you!

  86. Bawa says:

    @ Duago @ Zaheer @ Guilty @ naive

    فلسفہ جہاد کو اجاگر کرنے کا بہت شکریہ

    @ time

    برادرم. جہاد اور فساد کے فرق کو سمجھیں

    @ Sipahi

    اگرچہ بت ہیں جماعت کی آستینوں میں – مجھے ہے حکم اذان لا الہ الا الله

  87. Bawa says:

    @ jav
    the first fight between Imam Ali and Bibi Aiesha was the Jehaad for both followeres….. they did it and aproximately 10000 people got killed… they are shaheed or not… who knows…. leave this to Day of Judgment…..

    برادرم. سب سے اہم چیز یہ ہے کہ جہاد کیا ہے؟ جہاد کس سے کیا جاتا ہے؟ کیوں کیا جاتا ہے؟ کس کے کہنے پر کیا جاتا ہے؟ کب کیا جاتا ہے؟ اگر آپ جہاد کے فلسفے کا مطالعہ تو مسلمانوں کی آپس کی لڑائی کسی طرح بھی جہاد نہیں ہے

  88. Bawa says:

    @ Duago
    BAWA
    آپ کا حال بھی شاید میرے جیسا ہے ، جب سیاست سے دل بھر جاتا ہے تو الله یاد آتا ہے.
    اس سیاست سے میں بیزار ہو چکا ہوں ، اگر ہم معاشی انقلاب بھی لیں آئین تو کیا مسلمان مومن بن جاۓ گا؟ یا ایمان پے آ جاۓ گا ؟ تنگی میں الله یاد آتا ہے پر کیا خوشحالی میں بھی ؟
    ہر شخص اپنے اپنے اعمال کا ذمےدار ہے اور اب تو وقت بھی بوہت تھوڑا ہے ، اگر ہماری نسلیں ہی ایمان پے قائم رہیں تو وہ بھی ہمارے لئے بڑی بات ہوگی
    مجھ اور آپ جیسے لوگ شائد خوش قسمت ہیں کے معاشی بدحالی سے دور ہیں اور تنہائی بھی میسر ہے ، تنہائی جو انسان کو سوچنے پر مجبور کرتی ہے جس کا اسلام تقاضا کرتا ہے لیکن اس سے ہم پے ذمداری بھی بڑھتی ہے کے جو ہم محسوس کرتے ہیں اسے دوسروں تک پہونچائیں
    ………………………………………………….

    بھائی جی. ہمیں نہ تو سیاست کی سوجھ بوجھ ہے اور نہ ہی مذہب کی. جو آدمی خود صحیح معنوں میں مسلمان نہ بن سکا ہو وہ بھلا دوسروں کو کیسے مسلمان بنا سکوں گا یا ایمان پر قایم رکھ سکے گا؟ ہم لوگ تو گفتار کے غازی ہیں. کردار تو ہمارا ایسا نہیں کہ ہم قیامت کے دن خدا کو منہ دکھانے کے قابل بھی ہونگے. جہاں تک ہماری نئی نسلوں کے ایمان پر قایم رہنے کا تعلق ہے تو ہم خدا کی رحمت سے نا امید نہیں ہیں. ہم بھی اپنی حتي الوسع سعي کریں گے کہ انکو زیادہ سے زیادہ مذہبی تعلیم سے آراستہ کر سکیں. باقی الله تعالیٰ دلوں کو پھیرنے والا ہے. جب وہ کسی کا دل پھیرتا ہے تو اسکی دنیا ہی بدل دیتا ہے. میں یہاں اپنی جاب کے سلسلے میں کینیڈا کے ایک چھوٹے سے شہر میں رہ رہا ہوں. یہاں مسلمان فیملیز پندرہ سے زیادہ نہیں ہونگی اور ہم سب مسلمان ایک دوسرے کو جانتے ہیں. میرے یہاں مختصر قیام کے دوران مجھے کم از کم تین مسلمان فیملیز ایسی ملی ہیں جو نئی نئی مسلمان ہوئی ہیں. ان سے تعارف ہوا تو پتہ چلا کہ انہیں کسی مسلمان نے اسلام کی طرف راغب نہیں کیا بلکہ وہ خود طویل ریسیرچ کرنے کے بعد مسلمان ہوئے ہیں. الله الله ایک وہ مسلمان ہیں اور ایک ہم. انکے پاس اسلام کے متعلق اتنا نالج ہے کہ ہمیں اپنے مسلمان ہونے پر شرمندگی محسوس ہوتی ہے. ایسی صورتحال میں ہم اپنی نسلوں سے مایوس نہیں ہیں

  89. Hasanm says:

    Dear all
    The word hate or hated has not been mentioned even once in the original BBC document. Where does the headline come from?????? My comments about that have twice been deleted by the intizaamia!

  90. time says:

    @@ time

    برادرم. جہاد اور فساد کے فرق کو سمجھیں

    I will say same thing to you. Do you understand the difference? Please tell me where is Jihad today? To me its all fisad under the banner of Jihad.

  91. time says:

    @naive bahi

    Iqbal also said سارے جہاں سے اچھا ہندوستان ہمارا promoting conventional nationalism …

    He also said ہما لا کے چشمے ابلنے لگے چینی اب سنھبھلنے لگے endorsing socialitic world view ..

    Beside saying خاص ہے ترکیب میں کومے رسول ہاشمی

    He also belittled democracy after loosing elections ..

    Poets speak universal language. They adopt all popular ideologies in their era … Iqbal was no exception.

    I am not sold on your or whoever’s idea of 1.5B muslims under one political federation. I think it’s impractical, crazy and is thrown to divert attention from real issues. Instead of convincing me why don’t you start with Afghanistan, Iran, Bangladesh and central Asian states. If they buy your stupid theory then sell it to Africans, europeans and Americans. If you have success their then try to land of the prophet ME within your folds too ….

    Good Luck.

  92. time says:

    @Bawa

    برادرم. جہاد اور فساد کے فرق کو سمجھیں

    I will say same thing to you. Do you understand the difference? Please tell me where is Jihad today? To me its all fisad under the banner of Jihad.

  93. ammarisb says:

    Improving the image of Pakistan is not just the responsibility of the state but also the citizens. We need to highlight our achievements in the war against extremism; we need to tell the stories of those brave girls who went to school despite of severe opposition by the Taliban. We must celebrate our positive perceptions. Such an initiative is taken by Individualland Pakistan which seeks to increase positive perceptions in our society,

    Link: http://www.individualland.com/blog/?p=333

  94. Bawa says:

    @ time
    Bawa said:

    برادرم. جہاد اور فساد کے فرق کو سمجھیں

    I will say same thing to you. Do you understand the difference? Please tell me where is Jihad today? To me its all fisad under the banner of Jihad.

    بھائی جی. آپ عجیب دلائل دے رہے ہیں. اگر کچھ لوگ جہاد کے نام پر قتل و غارت کر رہے ہیں تو جہاد کا عظیم مقصد ختم تو نہیں ہو جاتا. اگر اسلام کے ماننے والے اسلام کی تعلیمات بھلا کر غلط راستے پر چل نکلیں تو اسلام کی تعلیمات تو غلط نہیں ہو جائیں گی. آج اگر کہیں جہاد نہیں ہو رہا اور لوگ جہاد کے نام پر بے گناہ لوگوں کی حتی کہ مسلمانوں کی ہی گردنیں کاٹ رہے ہیں تو وہ جہاد نہیں ہے اور نہ ہی اس سے جہاد کی اہمیت کم ہوتی ہے.

    آپ نے میری بات کا جواب نہیں دیا کہ کیا آپ مسلمان ہیں؟ اگر آپ مسلمان نہیں ہیں تو میرا جہاد کے ٹاپک پر آپ سے بات کرنا ہی فضول ہے کیونکہ آپ غیر مسلم کی حیثیت سے جہاد پر ایمان ہی نہیں رکھتے جبکہ جہاد پر یقین ہمارا جزو ایمان ہے. اگر آپ مسلمان ہیں تو مجھے افسوس ہے کہ آپکے بزرگ آپ تک اسلام کی صحیح تعلیمات نہیں پہنچا سکے ہیں یا کم از کم جہاد کے فلسفے کے بارے میں آپکا ذہن صاف نہیں کر سکے ہیں

    یہ غازی ، یہ تیرے پر اسرار بندے – جنھیں تو نے بخشا ہے ذوق خدائی
    دو نیم ان کی ٹھوکر سے صحرا و دریا – سمٹ کر پہاڑ ان کی ہیبت سے رائی
    دو عالم سے کرتی ہے بیگانہ دل کو – عجب چیز ہے لذت آشنائی
    شہادت ہے مطلوب و مقصود مومن – نہ مال غنیمت نہ کشور کشائی
    دل مرد مومن میں پھر زندہ کر دے – وہ بجلی کہ تھی نعرۂ لاتذر ، میں
    عزائم کو سینوں میں بیدار کردے – نگاہ مسلماں کو تلوار کردے

  95. Bawa says:

    @ duago
    BAWA

    Mashallah, tell me more about those families. Are they natives?

    ایک فیملی کا تو مجھے کنفرم ہے کہ وہ پولینڈ سے ہے اور باقی دو فیملیز نیٹو نہیں ہیں لیکن وائیٹ ہیں انکے اصل ممالک کا پتہ کرکے بتاؤں گا. انکے پاس معلومات کا اتنا ذخیرہ ہے کہ ہم تمام مسلمان حیران تھے. خواتین اتنی با پردہ ہیں کہ ہماری خواتین بھی نہیں ہیں حتی کہ چھوٹی بچیاں تک سکارف پہنتی ہیں

  96. time says:

    @Bawa

    I am muslim but that doesn’t mean I agree with anything in the name of religion. I believe the concept of Jihad is obsolete. It needs to be updated to accomodate modern state demands. I have same views on women rights in Islam.

    All the blood shed in the name of Jihad is done by those who follow and practice religion much more than you and me. It’s easier for you to declare anyone non-muslim. But world knows what religion do they follow and under what inspiration they are drawing all these recurits.

    You seem to be an expert on Jihad. Lets stop beating around the bush and get to the point. In your view what was/is Jihad? the militant struggle in Kashmir? in Afghanistan? in Palestine? in Pukhtoon Khawa? When was the last time you saw Jihad being practiced anywhere?

  97. Bawa says:

    @ time

    برادرم. میں بھی آپکی طرح کمزور عقیدے کا مسلمان ہوں. الله تعالیٰ معاف فرمائے، پنجگانہ نماز تو بہت دور کی بات ہے بعض اوقات تو شاید جمعہ یا عید کی نماز بھی پڑھنے کی توفیق نہیں ہوتی. ہم کتنے ہی کمزور عقیدہ مسلمان ہی کیوں نہ ہوں بحیثیت مسلمان ہم قرآن کی کسی آیت اور حدیث کو جھٹلا دینے کا تصور بھی نہیں کر سکتے. جب خدا تعالیٰ اور اسکے نبی حضرت محمد صلی الله علیہ وآلہ وسلم نے جہاد کا حکم دیا ہے تو ہم اس سے انکار ہرگز نہیں کر سکتے. آپکے نزدیک جہاد کا ایک مخصوس مطلب ہے جو میرے خیال میں درست نہیں ہے. قرآن اور حدیث رو سے جہاد کی چار اقسام ہیں۔ ۱۔ نفس اور شیطان کے خلاف جہاد ۲۔ جہاد بالقرآن یعنی دعوت و تبلیغ ۳۔جہاد بالمال ۴۔ جہاد بالسیف یا دفاعی جنگ

    آپ صرف جهاف بالسیف ہی کوجہاد سمجھتے ہیں. جہاد بالسیف یا دفاعی جنگ کی بعض شرائط ہیں جن کی موجودگی کے بغیر یہ جہاد جائز قرار نہیں دیا جا سکتا. یہ شرایط درج ذیل ہیں
    ١. مسلمان حکمران کا جہاد کا حکم دینا ٢. ملک میں اسلامی نظام حکومت کا ہونا ٣. مقابلے کے لیے مناسب مقدار میں ہتھیاروں کا ہونا ٤. دشمن کی پیشقدمی یا حملہ

    انسان کی زندگی میں ایک دور ایسا آتا ہے جب وہ اپنے آپ کو دوسروں سے منفرد ثابت کرنے کے لیے کسی مصنوعی خول اپنے اوپر چڑھا لیتا ہے. یہ خول وقت کے ساتھ ساتھ اترتے جاتے ہیں اور بالاخر انسان اپنی اصل حقیقت کی طرف آنا شروع کر دیتا ہے. شاید آپ بھی اسی دور میں سے گزر رہے ہیں

  98. naive says:

    Dear brother time,

    Normally, every person evolves him/her-self in life. So does Iqbal. One needs to read the poetry of Iqbal written after 1910. And, it’s prose where Iqbal really proves his intellectual depth and philosophical poise. Everyone loves the place of one’s birth; that’s the place where one is reared and gets one’s early impressions. But, this love for the place of birth should not be allowed to overwhelm every step of one’s life.

    Further, on the concept of democracy, I do have my reservations. It’s democracy in Italy which has produced a Prime Minister as corrupt as Berlusconi. All people are not intellectually equal to make such an important choice of choosing their leader who would steer their destiny. However, democracy with truly independent system for giving justice can be a worhtwhile experience.

    Further, you are right that it would be difficult to jumble together all the Muslims of present day world into a state in present day situation. But, first, we will have to ask whether all of them including me are Muslims in letter and spirit. Are all of them following the basic teachings of Islam and are living their lives within the limits defined by Islam? Is Islam is the idea that is driving them or they are being overwhelmed by nationalism, tribalism and capitalism. Are they fulfilling their obligations towards the fellow Muslim brethern? Unfortunately, what I have come across is a real sorry state of affairs.

  99. ZEE says:

    stop mourning everyone

    they have not said anything new

    and it has nothing to do with your democracy,development or corruption

    every religion has its own way of life

    who are they to teach us

    this is just what which is known as their hatred against Islam

    they are born with it

    they will die with it

    and it will keep on going till the day of judgement

    as Allah has said

    “yahood-o-nasara can never be your friends”

    so they have expressed what was in their hearts

    we should be proud that inspite of our state of eeman

    they have placed us on second position

    although I wish we were on no one position

    and thanks to them they have not included any “brave” and “sovereign” arab country in them

  100. truth123 says:

    This is great news.

    Pakistan is extremely corrupt and has criminals as leaders. Just look at the scum President controlled by Islam’s worst enemy – USA.

    Pakistan is a dishonest country and deserves to be in the gutter. Only Mr Z Bhutto was a decent leader, but he was murdered by the USA and their puppet Zia.

  101. Guilty says:

    time said:

    All the blood shed in the name of Jihad is done by those who follow and practice religion much more than you and me.

    —————————————
    (who follow and practice religion) آپ فرماتے ھیں کہ

    آپ کی یہ بات بلکل جھوٹ ھے۔ ان لوگوں کو کسی نے مذھب کو فالو کرتے نہیں دیکھا ھے۔ آپ نے کبھی ان لوگوں کو ریلیجن فالو کرتے نہہیں دیکھا ھے۔ یہ آپ کا بس ایک ڈائلاگ ھے جو آپ اور آپ کی ماڈرن سوسائٹی اور آپ کے سرکاری ٹی۔وی چینیل بولتے ھیں۔

    پوری دنیا جانتی ھے کہ یہ لوگ صرف خفیہ ایجنسیوں کو فالو کرتے ھیں۔ اور اس بات کی پوری تاریخ موجود ھے کہ یہ لوگ آئی۔ایس۔آئی یا دوسری خفیہ اینجنسیوں کی پیداوار ھیں۔ اور یہ بھی کھلی حقیقت ھے کہ تمام خفیہ ایجنسیاں سپر طاقتوں کے کنٹرول میں ھیں۔

    لیکن آپ کو سپر طاقتوں سے سوال کرتے شاید شرم آتی ھو۔

  102. duago says:

    @time

    you said and I quote
    “I am muslim but that doesn’t mean I agree with anything in the name of religion”

    So you practice your own kind of religion which you also call Islam??

    الله تو کہتا ہے کہ اسلام میں پورے کے پورے داخل ہو جاؤ

    but I suppose you are one of those who pick and choose. you like the selective bits. What is the difference between you and non-muslims?? Are you trying to follow christians and jews who also like to pick bits from their religion??

    you then say and I quote
    “I believe the concept of Jihad is obsolete.”
    hurray so what else is obsolete in your belief? Zakaat may be?? as now we have different kind of taxes.

    you then say and I quote
    “It needs to be updated to accomodate modern state demands.”
    Updated?? brother what are you? na’uzubillah a prophet??
    You know what bid’at is?? when you enter something into religion to manipulate or with bad intention, that is not bid’ah, that is far far worse than that. Bid’ah is something which you enter into religion with GOOD INTENTION, which then becomes a widespread practice and slowly it goes corrupt and the person starting it gets gunah.

  103. islamabadi1 says:

    @Concerned Pak American

    First of all, I do have a life and am not an internet ninja like you with time on his hands, but I will still answer you. You asked for it, you got it. Here are your lies EXPOSED.

    LIE #1 “Pakistan is the only country where they will elect an International fugitive and criminal as the head of the state with the parliamentary approval. ”

    Menachem Begin and Ariel Sharon were both elected Prime Minister of Israel despite being International Criminals and having been convicted in cases them too. How that for a slap? Israel for your information is a western style democracy supported by the country in which you reside and pay your taxes.

    LIE #2 “Pakistan is the only country, where the criminals have the best chances to make deals by using other countries backings and black mailing their political opponents about their past and win their freedom to the past loot and continual loot, under the protection of constitutional amendments approved by the Political and ethnic Mafia bosses for life and their collation ethnic Mafia bosses and religious prostitutes.”

    Ever heard of Narender Modi? One of the biggest criminals in our neighboring country who has himself admitted to being involved in ethnic cleansing of Muslims and instigating riots. He was reelected as Chief Minister of the state and is one of the leading candidates for Prime Minister-ship of India. You say Pakistan is the only country in which it happens…False again…here is another answer for you…another slap….wham!

    LIE#3 “Pakistan is the only country where the voters will vote on basses of their refugee past, current ethnicity, religious convections”

    Again it is false, I can give you the country of India, Sri Lanka many African countries where voters vote on basses of their refugee past and ethnicity.

    Ohh and I can go on and on…but I guess that was enough of a whacking for you…Stick to your Obama/Osama/Hilary and other politics…You are in Amreeka so stick to Amreekan politics…Oh before I go, I also would like to spread despondency the way you are trying to spread it in Pakistani’s mind.

    Amreeka is the only country, where the head of state has a sexual relations with his employee less than half his age and then goes on and lies about it.

  104. Guilty says:

    time said:

    All the blood shed in the name of Jihad is done by those who follow and practice religion much more than you and me.

    —————————————
    (who follow and practice religion) آپ فرماتے ھیں کہ

    اگر آپ ایک بھی دھشت گرد کا ثابت کردیں کہ ان میں سے ایک نے بھی کبھی حج ادا کیا ھو۔ آپ بار بار مذھب کے ساتھ ان لوگوں کو جوڑتے ھیں۔ مجھے ایک بھی ثبوت دیں کہ ان لوگوں نے کبھی حج کیا ھو۔

    کوئی ایک ثبوت دیں، آپ کے پاس کوئی ثبوت نہیں ھے۔ بس ٹی۔وی چینل نے کہہ دیا اور آپ نے سن لیا۔ اور آپ کا دین مکمل ھوگیا۔

    ایک بھی دھشت گرد کا نام بتائیں جس نے حج ادا کیا ھو۔ چیلنج ھے آپ کو۔ ورنہ کسی ماڈرن سوسائٹی سے پتہ کرکے بتائیں۔

  105. duago says:

    @time

    then you go on to say “All the blood shed in the name of Jihad is done by those who follow and practice religion much more than you and me.”

    you kind of admitted there that they are muslim and a better muslim than us. If you think they follow and practice religion much more than us (meaning they read more namaz, zikar, quran etc?) then at least stay neutral.

    On the one side we have (probably) mistaken muslims and on the other side we have non-muslims. Don’t you think you have rushed yourself into siding with non-muslims?? A muslim who has read Kalimah is still a muslim. I am not saying that we must blindly side with muslims if they are in the wrong but the non-muslims they are fighting are not that innocent either.

    You then say “But world knows what religion do they follow and under what inspiration they are drawing all these recurits.”
    You talk about inspiration?? you know osama more than he does himself?? he openly says that he wants revenge and that he wants to take american forces out of arabian peninsula. that sounds like a little bit of politics to me. So once they leave arabian peninsula, will he be friends with america???

    If we talk about taliban then tell me who attacked whom first?? did taliban invade america or did america invaded afghanistan?? why couldn’t america assassinate osama??? did america tried to shock and awe cubans??? did they do carpet bombing in venezuela or cuba?? why they want to assassinate leaders in non-muslim lands but for muslim lands, assassination won’t do?? only an invasion??? whyyy??

  106. why don’t BBC or even better PKPOLITICS does a survey and find the views of Pakistanis about the BBC and the western countries???? Why should we care or bother about them when they don’t care about Pakistan or even any muslim countries. They are the oppressor and they still hate us… wow!
    And for God sake, STOP criticizing muslim and JIHAD and Quran just to be labelled liberal or educated in their eyes. One day you have to meet your creator and answer for your standing, your acts and whatever you did to protect, promote and spread of his Quran and Sunnah!
    Bus naam rahey ga ALLAH ka!

  107. ALL the blood shed in the name of war on terror or all the bloodshed to oust Saddam and all the blood shed in the name of AL-Qayeda is according to the teaching of the western society and in accordance to the western, secular and liberal minds ! All the “Collateral” damage should be accepted because they are muslim and we all know that muslim blood is cheap!
    But if we do anything like this then we are extremist! Bravo! and the collateral damage is ISLAMISM at its worst!

  108. mir munsif says:

    We as nation always live in state of denial,experts in making conspiracy theories,building castles in the air and self made perfect muslim and Pakistani patriots.Pls wake up this dream,face the reality,we are not a great nation,but we are in a mess,our society is under shadows of dark clouds for centuries.

    Want to share you a part of history of Western Dark ages and check out its utility in todays Pakistan.During western Dark age era,the major social evils which troubled the society were following.Read and see how they are linked to our society.

    1.Social traditions are supreme,one has to follow society,collective behavior of society decides good or bad,while individual has no say and he cant challenge social taboos,traditions and life style.

    2.Society is embedded with fundamentalist and ultra rightist mindset,and any challenge to them will be severally punished.

    3.Education is not source of knowledge because its not evolved and kings and ministers have different schools for their children,rich ppl and lords children go to others and poor ppl are left on the mercy of church (religious missionary schools)…as today madrsaahs in Pakistan.

    4.The woman is just like a property,its not equal to man and she has no say what so ever in society ,she has no independent position or will against man’s will.She is second grade citizen of society.

    5.Military might is highest position of privilege and road to kingship/Ministership/lordship.A source of power and financial advantages.

    6.(religious)Minorities are heap of shit,they are curse on society and they should not have any religious or social freedom,they are treated like slaves and they are MOST HATED creatures in society and they should always be booed and exploited.

    7.Corruption is right of elite,while poor must have to pay taxes at any cost.

    8.Divide and rule.

  109. khalidma says:

    Pakistan may well be the country with the best people in the world and the worst government. We have been searching for good governance for some some but it is proving elusive. Perceptions abroad are shaped by news coverage which is mostly negative about Pakistan. Ask a foreigner who has interacted with ordinary people in this country and he will have a beautiful impression. Why do we have this situation? I think the ruling classes have a lot to answer for. They are still harboring huge insecurities which compel them to maintain the status quo at any cost. I am convinced that if the people of Pakistan are truly liberated(economically,educationally,politically) this country has the clear potential to be the among the best in the world. A system of unbiased fair and free education for all people-no distinction in the syllabus or standards will be the longer solution. The immediate solution lies in a free and fair political system with clear focus on social justice and human rights. This will do wonders for our image and spread happiness in the country which will propel us forward as fast as we can go!

  110. Bawa says:

    علاّمہ محمّد اقبال

    خطاب بہ جوانان اسلام

    کبھی اے نوجواں مسلم تدبر بھی کیا تو نے
    وہ کیا گردوں تھا تو جس کا ہے اک ٹوٹا ہوا تارا

    تجھے اس قوم نے پالا ہے آغوش محبت میں
    کچل ڈالا تھا جس نے پاؤں میں تاج سر دارا

    تمدن آفریں خلاق آئین جہاں داری
    وہ صحرائے عرب یعنی شتربانوں کا گہوارا

    سماں “الفقر فخری” کا رہا شان امارت میں
    “”بآب و رنگ و خال و خط چہ حاجت روے زیبا را””

    گدائی میں بھی وہ اللہ والے تھے غیور اتنے
    کہ منعم کو گدا کے ڈر سے بخشش کا نہ تھا یارا

    غرض میں کیا کہوں تجھ سے کہ وہ صحرا نشیں کیا تھے
    جہاں گیر و جہاں دار و جہاں بان و جہاں آرا

    اگر چاہوں تو نقشہ کھینچ کر الفاظ میں رکھ دوں
    مگر تیرے تخیل سے فزوں تر ہے وہ نظارا

    تجھے آبا سے اپنے کوئی نسبت ہو نہیں سکتی
    کہ تو گفتار وہ کردار ، تو ثابت وہ سیارا

    گنوا دی ہم نے جو اسلاف سے میراث پائی تھی
    ثریا سے زمیں پر آسماں نے ہم کو دے مارا

    حکومت کا تو کیا رونا کہ وہ اک عارضی شے تھی
    نہیں دنیا کے آئین مسلم سے کوئی چارا

    مگر وہ علم کے موتی ، کتابیں اپنے آبا کی
    جو دیکھیں ان کو یورپ میں تو دل ہوتا ہے سیپارا

    غنی روز سیاہ پیر کنعاں را تماشا کن
    کہ نور دیدہ اش روشن کند چشم زلیخا را

  111. Guilty says:

    time said:
    Don’t you think 0$ama, Zehwari and all these well to do arab jihadis are hajis?

    —————–

    No Sir, It is a white lie, they never performed any Hajj ever, they didnt even paid Zakkat

    On top of that we were talking about huge numebr of terrorists around the world , and you could only guess three arab names, even these three never performed HAJJ. You skipped the entire Afghanistan, Pakistan, FATA, IRAQ , USA, ENGLAND, it is misearable on your part

    Okay tell me MR. QASSAB the, captured by Bombay police who is involved in Bombay attack , did he ever performed HAJJ,ever ever ever ever, in case you dont have answer, which I believe you dont, so would you mind to see your GREEBAN a little

  112. hypocrite says:

    There is 25 pages of information on how the poll was conducetd, where it was conducted and what were the questions. Interestingly the most number of people who were included in the poll are from Pakistan. I hope everyone has gone through that information.

    I believe everyone has the right to agree with results or disagree with the results, find justifications to support or not support the results, get depressed or over excited with the results, blame ourselves orothers for the results, find the poll representative or non representative, consider the results fact or fiction, consider it reality of conspiracy but I shall keep in mind that the results of the poll will continue to change as the time and world events change. Some countries viewed negatively earlier have improved and countries considered positively earlier have become bit negtaive.

    As Pakistani lets acknowledge our strengths as well as shortcomings. Where we need to maintain our current right approach, lets continue doing that and where we need to do things betters lets do that. After all it is I and other Pakistanis who make Pakistan and Pakistanis look good or bad.

  113. Zaheer says:

    @time

    “Americans are my masters that’s why I joined them in ” jihad” in 80’s.”

    We have been time and again bitten by American rulers. They even have been able to influence even our Islamic perceptions and teachings and that is pathetic! I don’t blame them fully for that as we also have been allowing others to misuse us. It is so hurting when our rulers say that we have given so many sacrifices in this so called war on terror and others should acknowledge it and help us most probably financially! It leaves me thinking did we give lives for the sake of USA and Co. and money? If so then it is unbelievably shameful!
    Americans have been able to play with Pakistan so many times but nothing happens for ever! My master is Allah(SWT) and not any other entity!

    “What about your idols Qai o$AMA and co. Why were they fighting along “my” masters :)

    None of them is my idol, this is your wrong perception and part of your propaganda trip! I think they are pawns of Americans and they provide them excuses for invasions, killings and occupations!

  114. ConcernedAmericanPak says:

    @islamabadi1

    I am truly proud of your logical mind and your ability to insult an idiot like me and “whacking?” me by giving the most wonderful examples of the Meacham Begin, Ariel Sharon, Narender Modi comparisons to Asif Ali Madari and Nawaz the family mafia boss and putting Pakistani political system comparable to India, Sri Lanka and many African countries.

    Your parents must be proud to “raise” such a wonderful and intelligent child. May God bless you and the country Pakistan, who has leaders like Asif Ali Madari, Altaf Husain and Nawaz Sharif, and intellectuals like you.

  115. ConcernedAmericanPak says:

    Sir G…. long time no see…. have u been ok….. I eagerly seek your views at this forum…. especially when Zardari is getting the clean chit from UNO…. at least now you should say once … Zardari Khappay…

    @jav

    My dear, I will say “Zardari Khappay”, when Zardari will come visit me with his “invisible”
    (dead) wife’s ghost and we all three will go out and have an ice-cream.

    I am around, but been reprehended by the forces out of my control. We have made a connection and if the good sense prevails, you will read my posts, as before.

    Thanks for your concern.

  116. ConcernedAmericanPak says:

    An interesting contrast of expressions of your own nation. PKP youngsters took it as a very negative way to express the statistical propaganda,”Pakistan 2nd Most Hated Country”, while the “proud” Israeli media put a positive spin on the same story and called it.

    ”World poll: Only 19% see Israel in positive light”.

    I hope that this gets published, I am not criticizing the PKP youngsters, just showing their approach to the same propaganda.

    Survey conducted in 28 countries on 29,000 respondents reveals that only Iran, Pakistan, North Korea have more negative perception than Israel. Most ‘loved’ country is Germany. ‘Obama effect’ has resulted in improvement in relations towards US for first time since 2005

    Only Iran, North Korea, and Pakistan are viewed in a more negative light than Israel, according to a poll conducted in 28 countries and published Tuesday by the BBC.

    The poll shows that just 19% of the 29,000 respondents questioned view Israel positively versus 50% who perceive the country in a negative light. Together with Israel at the bottom of the list are Iran (15% positive, 56% negative), Pakistan (16% positive, 51% negative), and North Korea (17% positive, 48% negative).

    The poll also showed that world perceptions of the US are improving with 46% of respondents viewing the country favorably and 34% viewing the country negatively. Only two countries saw a decrease in the perception of the world’s number one superpower – Turkey and India……..

    http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3878518,00.html

  117. deevav says:

    Assalam o Alaikum

    These days anyone who tries to speak with Islamic point of view, is considered immotional, extremist and Jihadi by most of the people in Pakistan. However, I being a Muslim, is bound to keep religion is every aspect of life. This is a Fard upon me and I don’t want to err in this regard. And I want Allah SWT to Bear itness to my sincerity and Niyyah and Reward me accordingly becasue I seek not any thing but from Him and Like not some one More than Him.

    Allah SWT in Quran has said,” These mushrikeens are your enemies. Some thing they have already uttered whereas what is in their hearts is still worst”.

    In another place the Quran says,”These unbelievers that you take as Auliya against muslims, are but auliya of one another”.

    Holy Prophet Muhammad, May Allah’s Peace & Blessings be Upon him, his family and his companions said in a hadith,”A time will come when muslims will follow kafiroon, so much so that if they enter a lizzard hole, muslims will follow them”.

    And there are a number of Quranic verses and ahadith mubaraka of Last Apostle of Allah which tel us, the muslims that the Kafiroon will never accept you till the time you change your religion and accepts on eof those.

    The point is we are all going right,left and center but no one is coming up with the idea that its becasue we Muslims, have stopped reading Quran with understanding. Sunnah and Ahadith mubarka of the Messenger of Allah (May Allah’s Peace and Blessings be upon him, his family and companions).

    Listen whatever happended on 9/11, no one knows for sure. Even US citizens are not informed of the entire story that was built by bush administration and its neocons under jewish influence. Many US experts of detonation, avionics, jounalists and civil engineers have carried out separate investigations and they have mostly agreed that it was some insiders job. None agreed to the story told by US govt. Pilots thought that this sort of flying like was done by the semi trained pilots was not possible due to the angles and approach to the twin towers. Yet the whole christiandom agreed that muslims were involved and they launched a campaign that was designed to lead to what happended later in the shape of US military invasion of Afghanistan, an Islamic state. Bush openly declared it “chrusaid”.
    That was what he uttered and what was in his heart was still worst. Who was’nt with the US / Israel lead force? come try to guess. Even small states like Spain with no significant military, became a part of the chrusaiders. Not to mention France, Germany, UK, Canada, Austrailia etc etc. Against whom, helpless Afghanistan, with no organized army and weapons.

    But are the eyes of those who have a disease in their heart, did not see that all combined, these chrusaiders are still yearning for victory? Or if I am correct, with my little knowledge of Allah SWT’s Ghairat, they are heading towards defeat. Are’nt they?

    Last time when formerly USSR was defeated by the same mujahideens, people who had a disease in their hearts, had said it is because of USA. Now what would they say?

    Thats why I say that Allah being Sole Creator of the entire universe, Has immeasurable Ghairat than we can imagine. Look how He SWT Replied to all those who had a disease in their hearts. By bringing to defeat USA, to whom these hypocrats gave the credit of defeat of Russian forces in Afghanistan.

    So brother, the point that I wanted to make is that you cannot judge yourself from the eyes of the enemies of Allah SWT and His Lasst and Final; Messenger and Muslims.

    One glaring thing in the rating is that they think Israel is better than Pakistan, Iran and North Korea? Howcome? How many western journalists have been killed by any of these countries who were trying to defend Israeli aggression in Ghaza and West Bank? How many lethal weeapon these countries have used against innocent, unarmed civilions of west? Is anyone of these countries keeping as hostage thousands of human beings in their homeland like Israel is doing?

    People who have a disease in their heart always rush to get friendly with enemies of Allah SWT. Some people are trying hard to justify these ratings given by western people who are blind and they are impressed and influenced from their govts and media.

    If you judge every terror attack any where in the world by the religion, christiandom would be number one religion of terror becasue Hitler was responsible for killings of great number of people during world war II. Tamils, IRA, Israelies and hindos would have been greater terrorist becasue they all have been involved in militancy in the past and still continuing.

    A Muslim will keep his faith strong and will remain steadfast whatever the circumstances be and will look at every thing from Islamic point of view (Quran and Ahadith Mubarka). He would no more be a muslim if he start keeping Islam out of daily life like is being done christians, to ensure that Muslims also do so. They fear that if Muslims continued praticing Islam and following Quran, they do not stand a chance.

    So true believers judge themselves from the attitude of kafiroons towards them. If they hate them, they should know they are on the right path. If they like them, then they (muslims) should know that they have deviated from the right path.

    May Allah SWT Guide Muslims and Help them attain Glory that they had been enjoying when their elders / forefathers used to follow Islam and they were successful and they ruled the world.

    Jizak Allah e Minalkhair

  118. c hussain says:

    Guys go on youtube and

    type

    From Paris with Love – pakistani

    and see that clip in which John Travolta openly abuses Pakistanis – I have never ever seen a film in which people of a country are abused so openly. That would show us where we stand.

    Ofcourse as some readers have said – if we elect a fugitive and a criminal as president and in our constitutional amendment we declare that a party head who is not even elected and could be sitting abroad with another passport and deseat a member of parliament elected by the people of his constituency we can then imagine where we are going.

    We are after Chief Justice and want Judicial Commission so that he should not have the right to appoint the judges. But does any politican has any guts to bring in an amendment and say that Prime Minister or President let along a commission should be making appointments in army uptil the rank of Lt. General. The Prime Minister can only make the appointments of Chief of Army Staff – the rest are appointed by Chief of Army Staff.

    This fact is conveniently ignored but with Chief Justice we need a Judicial Commission. What would Aitzaz or Kurd say about this situation. What if any member of either judicial commission – be it Attorney General or Law Minister or any member of Parliamentary Commission has a case already in the court subjudice like that of Awan Babar. Should such a person be allowed to be participate in the selection of a judge of a high court or a supreme court.

    I think the court should not out rule the commission totally but should make it a condition and no member should be part of parliamentary commission whose case is being heard in the court or has been liable for misconduct in the past. Simple as that.

    Hamid Mir in his column threatened Supreme Court today in his column directly saying that if they tried to review this amendment Zardari would call the joint session of the parliament and pass a resolution against the Supreme Court. This was the most open threat which Hamid Mir gave in his column. Now on whose behest he is giving this threat – obviously Zardari, NS or America.

  119. c hussain says:

    Zardari is openly saying that judges hanged Bhutto but he conveniently forgets that Zia hanged Bhutto after he got clearance from USA and Kissinger had openly threatened Bhutto. So what would Zardari say about it and also about his sitting in lap of CIA for four years before assassination of BB.

    I have read the will of BB. That is clearly a forged will as it was not testified by a lawyer and BB was not a stupid to write such a will without any authenication.

    Zardari not only was involved in murder of BB but also used it and captured her assets, her children and her party. This plan was made long ago and maybe his marriage to BB was also planned.

    Guys see the newly released movie – The Ghost.

    It does open up the minds.

  120. islamabadi1 says:

    “ConcernedAmericanPak said:
    @islamabadi1

    I am truly proud of your logical mind and your ability to insult an idiot like me and “whacking?” me by giving the most wonderful examples of the Meacham Begin, Ariel Sharon, Narender Modi comparisons to Asif Ali Madari and Nawaz the family mafia boss and putting Pakistani political system comparable to India, Sri Lanka and many African countries.

    Your parents must be proud to “raise” such a wonderful and intelligent child. May God bless you and the country Pakistan, who has leaders like Asif Ali Madari, Altaf Husain and Nawaz Sharif, and intellectuals like you.”

    I am going to insult everyone who tries to spread lies and despondency among Pakistani Youth. Firs you shoudl go and find out the difference between the State of Pakistan and the Government of Pakistan. I do not mind if you malign the Government, as te government is here one day, gone the next. The state of Pakistan however is sacred to me. It is both an idea and an ideal. Pakistan (The State) is my nation and I will not hear anyone insulting it.

    Secondly don’t you worry about my parents, unlike you who ran away from Pakistan to the USA, my parents shifted from USA to Pakistan and brought along with them experience, expertise and foreign investment and created employment for hundreds of people here. Me, despite having being born and brought up in western coutries, have also shifted to Islamabad. My dad is also likely to stand for election for a Provincial Assembly seat on the ticket of Pakistan Tehreek Insaf. Unlike you, we are not internet ninjas, we do practical work. I guess having had your lies exposed publicly really had a bad effect on you. STOP Spreading lies and making sweeping generalized statements.

  121. *RhyMe* says:

    The main reason for this result is the Media Propaganda against muslims particularly Pakistanies…who doesnt know the biased coverage of events in Pakistan by western media?…im not saying we are the “angels” on earth and should be presented only as them in media but that definately plays a role in forming our negative or positive image in minds of those ppl living miles away from us and can not know us except through these mediums…i dont trust these surveys so dont care what result they give…rather believing in them blindly we should also make us aware of the hidden game being played by some foriegn forces to portray us as “evils on earth” so that they could have an excuse to further weaken us economically,politically nd strategically whether through drone attacks or by fueling internal conflicts nd Destabilization…ofcourse this type of “Pakistan” is in their interest!

  122. naive says:

    @deevav!

    Assalam-o-alaikum!

    Thanks a lot for your thought provoking and highly motivational post. Keep it up. While I do believe in the love for humanity but, at the same time, I can not ignore the centuries old history of enmity of European Christians for Islam and believers of Islam. Since the beginning of last millenium, the Crusade of the European Christians has, in fact, never stopped. And, there can be hundreds of examples. While remembering Iqbal again,

    دیار عشق میں اپنا مقام پیدا کر- نیا زمانہ نیے صبح و شام پیدا کر

    @Islamabadi1!

    I really appreciate your and your family’s efforts. But, I would humbly request you that keeping in view the ground realities of Pakistan, advise your father not to fight an election on the ticket of Tehreek-e-Insaaf on mainly two grounds: 1) There is no political space available for a new party like TI in today’s Pakistan; and, 2) Imran Khan is a different man now. He gave ticket to Ijaz Hussain Jazi in Rawalpindi elections who has the reputation of running gambling posts in Pindi. If your father is really interested in entering Politics, ask him to join one of the mainstream parties. If he is an honest man and really want to do some significant thing for his fellow Pakistanis and for his dearest country, he will be able to do his bit in a more effective manner while being in the mainstream parties.

    Further, dont think that the people who are criticizing the sorry state of affairs in Pakistan dont really love Pakistan. It’s the love for their dear country that makes their hearts burn and they vent out their pent up feelings here. Kindly take their emotional outbursts in this perspective. Every one of these critics is ready to give his/her life for the dearest country of the world i.e. Pakistan. If they are criticizing, they want the prevalent system to change and change drastically so that they may see their country as they, ideally though, imagine about it.

  123. Hasanm says:

    @naive
    There is no place for an honest person in Pakistani politics. Main stream parties (PPP, PMLs, MQM) only support Jamshed Dastis, nazir Jutts, Ishrat Ibaads and Rana Mubasshirs etc.
    Would you please tell us an honest person’s name who has contributed and made any difference in positive way. Our political parties are gangs of thugs with different brand names.

  124. islamabadi1 says:

    @Naive

    My dad was in PML-N and a great supporter of Nawaz Sharif for since he was still Chief Minister of Punjab in 1986. However, after the nuclear explosions of 1998, PML-N government froze the foreign currency bank accounts in Pakistani banks of hundreds of thousands of people, that is when he changed his mind. Can you imagine having your personal bank account just frozen like for an indefinite timeframe. After this it was the ludicrous Karza Utaro Mulk Sawaro fiasco which really did it. This ex Prime Minister’s brilliant idea for reducing our foreign debt with poorwomens’ ornaments was what really did it. It was only after several meetings with IK that he decided to join and his decision is final.

    There has to be a difference between critisizingg someones country and defaming it. This idiot Concerned PakAmrikan jsut gets on my nerves always badmouthing the country and he confuses the State of Pakistan with the Government of Pakistan. He makes false conclusions like “Pakistan is the only….” which I already exposed as false…Pakistan is NOT the ONLY country where whatever he has mentioned happened….his statements are FACTUALLY INCORRECT.

  125. maestrodta says:

    Well I won’t be surprised about this poll contrary to the facts most of the people said in this debate. I really don’t think its all about our politicians & army personals giving this image.

    Improvement begins with “I”

    This is the most important thing we people need to learn but sadly we don’t.

    The people living in other countries don’t just judge us by the media wibe but also by the attitude we people use while we are living in different parts of world I don’t say all of the PAKISTANIS are like that but most of our beloved countrymen living in those countries really don’t care about the image they are creating in those societies & areas.

    We moan about all the things going on in PAKISTAN to cover what we do wrong. I live in UK & I’m very dissappointed to say that not all but most of the so called PAKISTANIS I met don’t really represent the real PAKISTAN culture, they don’t have any idea about that the green passport they are holding is their recognition. They will know all the names of the indian movies that are coming out but not a single thing about our own country.

    Not a moment go by when they blame, moan & curse about the system in PAKISTAN that how its degrading them in the foreign countries but not one of them will say how they did some thing to correct this image of our country.

    I don’t say that when you live in other countries you have to be like them NO NO NO…
    keep your identity, keep your dignity, keep your flag high.

    We always say “One dirty fish can contanimate a pond” but did we thought how many dirty fishes are running arround making our pond look like a complete mess.

    I’m proud to say I’m PAKISTANI like they say
    KHOTA HAI KHARA HAI JAISA BHI HAI YEH APNA TO HAI

    I got into arguments once when one of our countrymen was with us in a sitting & all he was saying was MOLVI this MOLVI that & he called them all sorts of name & I had to made him realise that the word MOLVI means “WALI-ULALLAH” please don’t use such kinda words after this word if you wanna use it say people like US but he was persistant to use it again & again now in our country we might treat him for being illetrate but imagine in these country when he is going to talk nonsense like this what will the people in those country depict about all of us.

    A little old story which might make my point clear to all you people
    AN COMMON AMERICAN CAME TO ISLAMABAD JUST FOR TOURISM (NOT NOW A LONG TIME AGO HA HA HA). HIS GUIDE TOOK HIM TO SHAKAR PARIAN, THE POSH SECTORS, BLUE AREA & THAT WAS IT

    NOW WHEN THE THAT TOURIST WAS GOING BACK HE WAS THINKING THAT HE WAS TOLD THAT ISLAMABAD IS THIS & ITS SO BEAUTIFULL BUT ACTUALLY ITS NOT EXTRA-ORDINARY SO EITHER ITS JUST A HYPE SURROUNDING THE FACT THAT ITS AN EXCELLENT CITY OR THERE MIGHT BE TWO ISLAMABAD CITIES & THE GUIDE SHOWED ME THE WRONG ONE

    My dear brothers we need to show these people the real PAKISTAN other wise we can blame all we like on the guide but the truth is we are the guide & we need to perform our obligation to this country that it deserve.

    PAKISTAN ZINDABAD

  126. Hasanm says:

    My 3 previousposts have been deleted by the “intizamia” for pointing out that the very word “hated” has not been mentioned even once in the original BBC document!! The survey mentions “negative perception” rather than hated! The headline of this article is inflammatory and the “intizamia” is responsible for this shameful act, should clarify their position of apologise unreservedly.

  127. some1irresistable says:

    bharr mein jaye duniya aur iss ki calculation
    hamein kiya
    hum khud apnay sab say favourite hein
    problems hein to kiya hua inshaAllah sab aik din thik ho jaye ga
    hamein bura kehnay walay pehlay apnay aap ko dekhein
    idiots

  128. hiramir34 says:

    Due to extremist activities and the terrorist incidents in the country, we have a bad name we must stand against these actions and condemn them! Taliban must be deafeated to get out identity back!

  129. fhsarwar says:

    We need to improve the image of our country and that can only be done by rooting out the problem of terrorism. Our army and politicians need our support.

  130. zalmay says:

    @CAPK, I absolutely agree with your 1st comment.

    @Deevav, you hit the bull eye by posting

    ”So true believers judge themselves from the attitude of kafiroons towards them. If they hate them, they should know they are on the right path. If they like them, then they (muslims) should know that they have deviated from the right path”.

    @time, its TIME for you to get going as you have to play your video games as well hmmm…..

  131. friskferro says:

    Dear
    I do not agree with this word ;HATED: actually we should look into like this that we do not project our soft image towards outside world.We have softer side of social life which is observed by the foreigner who happens to come to Pakistan.Our all four big nation like Punjabi,pathans,baluchi and sinds have their very soft social rituals.Just look at thier matrimonial occassions,social events like melas,working with and living with animals in villagee how we love them which is very soft.Harder side which world project about us is extrmism of their visions.As a muslim we love to live like other human beings our religious occassions are full of colours.
    It is fact that image of love has been tornished by vested interested people which is not the right picture of story

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