باوا بھائی ، اسلام علیکم
آپ سے گزارش ہے کہ بلا تاخیر فورم پر واپس آ جائیں مسخروں کی حیثیت سب کو معلوم ہیں ان کا مقصد بھی سب کو معلوم ہے .آپ کے بغیر اس فورم کا کوئی مزہ نہیں سیاسی فورم پر کچھ مراثی ،کنجر اور بھانڈ آ جائیں تو ان کو صرف انجوائے کریں ان سے مراثی سے مہذب بننے کی امید نہ کریں . امید ہے آپ اپنے بھائی کی درخواست رد نہیں کریں گے
زلزلہ کی امداد ہضم ، سیلاب کی امداد ہضم ، کیری لوگر امداد ہضم ، وار آن ٹیرور امداد ہضم ، سٹیل مل ہضم ، سوئس اکاونٹ ہضم ، سارا خزانہ ہضم ،آبدوزوں کی کمیشن ہضم ،سرے محل ہضم ،بی بی کا قتل ہضم ، مرتضیٰ کا قتل ہضم
ٹارگٹ کلنگ ہضم ،کرکٹ کا جوا ہضم ، وزیروں کی کرپشن ہضم ، جعلی ڈگریاں ہضم ، سپریم کورٹ کا فیصلہ ہضم ،این آر او ہضم
کیا جہنم کی آگ بھی ……………ہضم ؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟
Action in aid of Supreme Court.
All executive and judicial authorities through out Pakistan shall act in aid of the Supreme Court.
The clause clearly states that the authorities that will act in aid of the Supreme Court are
1. Executive authorities
2. Judicial authorities
There is no mention of the Supreme Court directly invoking the Army for any kind of assistance nor is the Army or the armed forces explicitly mentioned in this article.
It is only in a Martial Law that the COAS is the executive authority.
Therefore, by my reckoning, Wasi Zafar’s arguments make sense.
@canada1,
زلزلہ کی امداد ہضم ، سیلاب کی امداد ہضم ، کیری لوگر امداد ہضم ، وار آن ٹیرور امداد ہضم ، سٹیل مل ہضم ، سوئس اکاونٹ ہضم ، سارا خزانہ ہضم ،آبدوزوں کی کمیشن ہضم ،سرے محل ہضم ،بی بی کا قتل ہضم ، مرتضیٰ کا قتل ہضم
ٹارگٹ کلنگ ہضم ،کرکٹ کا جوا ہضم ، وزیروں کی کرپشن ہضم ، جعلی ڈگریاں ہضم ، سپریم کورٹ کا فیصلہ ہضم ،این آر او ہضم
کیا جہنم کی آگ بھی ……………ہضم ؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟
what pco cj is doing.why does,nt he take the action,is he also geting his share.stop spreading lies in the month of Ramdan,if u have any proves go to court,other wise shut up.
جیالے ہیں
ہم پیپلز پارٹی والے ہیں
ہم لاٹ صاحب کے سالے ہیں
اے بھوکے نںگے لوگو
اب جان ہماری چھوڑو
یہ پاکستان ہمارا ہے
تم جاؤ سیلاب میں دوڑو
وردی والے آتے ہیں
تو دس سال تک رہتے ہیں
ہم ابھی ابھی تو آۓ ہیں
اور مشرف صاحب ہی لاۓ ہیں
ہمیں پانچ سال تو رہنے دو
اے بھوکے نںگے لوگو
اب جان ہماری چھوڑو
یہ پاکستان ہمارا ہے
تم جاؤ سیلاب میں دوڑو
سب کہتے ہم راشی ہیں
بھلا رشوت کون نہیں لیتا
سب لیتے تھے ہم لیتے ہیں
ہم کون سا دھوکہ دیتے ہیں
اب اتنی ذرا سی بات پے تم
یہ رشتے ناطے نہ توڑو
اے بھوکے نںگے لوگو
اب جان ہماری چھوڑو
یہ پاکستان ہمارا ہے
تم جاؤ سیلاب میں دوڑو
@mujtaba,no one is insane,not u not me.but i am sure u and canada guy both r biased and liars.if u have any video or audio evidence why u dont send to court if u did why pco cj did,nt take action.
اسلام علیکم
باوا جی آپ کی کمی بڑی شدت سے محسوس ہو رہی ہے آپ کے کہنے پر بہوت سے روٹھے ہوۓ دوست واپس اس فورم پر آ گۓ اب آپ سے گزارش ہے کہ آپ بھی اپنے دوستوں کی خاطر اس فورم پر واپس آ جائیں آپ کی بہوت مہربانی ہو گی
باوا جی سچ بول رہا ہوں آپ کے بغیر یہ فورم کسی کام کا نہیں ہے ایک گندے انڈے کی وجہ سے آپ بہوت سے اچھے دوستوں سے دور مت ہوں
آپ کا بہوت شکریہ
آپ کا دودھ کالا ہے بھائی
کنیڈا بھائی اور مجتبیٰ بھائی کو کیا پتا یہ تو بیچارے بچے ہیں مرداری صاحب تو آپ کے دودھ کی طرح بلکل پاک صاف ہیں
میرا مطلب آپ والا دودھ سمج گۓ نا بھائی جی
ویسے تو میری اس فورم حیثیت بہت معمولی ہے اور مرے آنے نہ آنے سے کوئی فرق پڑنے والا بھی نہیں- لیکن پھر بھی اگر باوا بھائی دو دن میں واپس نہیں آے تو مجھے بھی دوسرے فورم کے بھائیوں سے رخصت لینی پڑے گی- یہاں بہت سے دوست بناے ہیں اور بہت سے دوستوں سے گپ شپ بھی رہتی ہے لیکن اس فورم پر آنے کی وجہ صرف اور صرف باوا بھائی ہی تھے- اگر باوا بھائی واپس نہیں آ رہے تو پھر یہاں آ کر میں کیا کروں گا-
جہاں رہیں خوش رہیں،
الله نگہبان
hasankhan said:
@mujtaba,no one is insane,not u not me.but i am sure u and canada guy both r biased and liars.if u have any video or audio evidence why u dont send to court if u did why pco cj did,nt take action
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Hasan khan what do u think when they do corruption,they make their own video to present in the court in future as evidence ?
@aadam,they dont make their own video but media ,establishment and secret agencies are always after them.their every movement and word is being recorded and bugged.when they will have single credible evidence,zerdari will be packed to jail.when media is free,judiciary is free and establishment is hostile its nearly imposible to do the corruption.the noise of corruption is fr zerdari haters,taliban lovers,dictators boot lickers and fr establishment agents and fr media to get easy ratings.
Not that you are worth my response, your continual efforts to misguide very intelligent people on this thread shows your agenda to spread confusion by your selective and criminally motivated interpretations of the constitution of Pakistan. You lowlife and undereducated person does not know shit about the constitution of Pakistan and if you do know, you are being mischievous and dishonest about it.
The 190. Action in aid of Supreme Court, means that all the authorities, which means the law and order institutes, Rangers, Pakistan Army and all the other authorities through out Pakistan are bound by the constitution of Pakistan to aid the Supreme Court of Pakistan. And if you tell us that this is subject to interpretation than you moron, Parliament can make laws and who is the highest authority or the only authority to do the interpretation of those laws, let me tell you, it’s the Supreme Court.
187 Issue and Execution of Processes of Supreme Court.
(1) [168] [Subject to clause(2) of Article 175, the]Supreme Court shall have power to issue such directions, orders or decrees as may be necessary for doing complete justice in any case or matter pending before it, including an order for the purpose of securing the attendance of any person or the discovery or production of any document.
(2) Any such direction, order or decree shall be enforceable throughout Pakistan and shall, where it is to be executed in a Province, or a territory or an area not forming part of a Province but within the jurisdiction of the High Court of the Province, be executed as if it had been issued by the High Court of that Province.
(3) If a question arises as to which High Court shall give effect to a direction, order or decree of the Supreme Court, the decision of the Supreme Court on the question shall be final.
188. Review of Judgments or Orders by the Supreme Court.
“The Supreme Court shall have power, subject to the provisions of any Act of [169] [Majlis-e-Shoora (Parliament)] and of any rules made by the Supreme Court, to review any judgment pronounced or any order made by it.”
189. Decisions of Supreme Court binding on other Courts.
Any decision of the Supreme Court shall, to the extent that it decides a question of law or is based upon or enunciates a principle of law, be binding on all other courts in Pakistan.
190. Action in aid of Supreme Court.
All executive and judicial authorities through out Pakistan shall act in aid of the Supreme Court.
191. Rules of Procedure.
Subject to the Constitution and law, the Supreme Court may make rules regulating the practice and procedure of the Court.
Common law is law developed by judges through decisions of courts and similar tribunals (also called case law), rather than through legislative statutes or executive branch action. A “common law system” is a legal system that gives great precedential weight to common law,[1] on the principle that it is unfair to treat similar facts differently on different occasions.[2] The body of precedent is called “common law” and it binds future decisions. In cases where the parties disagree on what the law is, an idealized common law court looks to past precedential decisions of relevant courts. If a similar dispute has been resolved in the past, the court is bound to follow the reasoning used in the prior decision (this principle is known as stare decisis). If, however, the court finds that the current dispute is fundamentally distinct from all previous cases (called a “matter of first impression”), judges have the authority and duty to make law by creating precedent.[3] Thereafter, the new decision becomes precedent, and will bind future courts.
In practice, common law systems are considerably more complicated than the idealized system described above. The decisions of a court are binding only in a particular jurisdiction, and even within a given jurisdiction, some courts have more power than others. For example, in most jurisdictions, decisions by appellate courts are binding on lower courts in the same jurisdiction and on future decisions of the same appellate court, but decisions of lower courts are only non-binding persuasive authority. Interactions between common law, constitutional law, statutory law and regulatory law also give rise to considerable complexity. However stare decisis, the principle that similar cases should be decided according to consistent principled rules so that they will reach similar results, lies at the heart of all common law systems.
Common law legal systems are in widespread use, particularly in England where it originated in the Middle Ages,[4] and in nations that trace their legal heritage to England as former colonies of the British Empire, including the United States, Malaysia, Singapore, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, India,[5] Ghana, Cameroon, Canada, Ireland, New Zealand, South Africa, Hong Kong and Australia.[6]
1. Common law as opposed to statutory law and regulatory law
This connotation distinguishes the authority that promulgated a law. For example, most areas of law in most Anglo-American jurisdictions include “statutory law” enacted by a legislature, “regulatory law” promulgated by executive branch agencies pursuant to delegation of rule-making authority from the legislature, and common law or “case law”, i.e., decisions issued by courts (or quasi-judicial tribunals within agencies).[7][8] This first connotation can be further differentiated into (a) pure common law arising from the traditional and inherent authority of courts to define what the law is, even in absence of an underlying statute, e.g., most criminal law and procedural law before the 20th century, and even today, most of contract law and the law of torts, and (b) court decisions that decide the fine boundaries and distinctions in law promulgated by other bodies, such as “judicial interpretations of the Constitution, of statutes, and of regulations”.[9]
2. Common law legal systems as opposed to civil law legal systems
This connotation differentiates “common law” jurisdictions and legal systems from “civil law” or “code” jurisdictions.[9] Common law systems place great weight on court decisions, which are considered “law” with the same force of law as statutes. By contrast, in civil law jurisdictions (the legal tradition that prevails in, or is combined with common law in, Europe and most non-Islamic, non-common law countries), judicial precedent is given less weight (which means that a judge deciding a given case has more freedom to interpret the text of a statute independently, and less predictably), and scholarly literature is given more. For example, the Napoleonic code expressly forbade French judges from pronouncing general principles of law.[10]
As a rough rule of thumb, common law systems trace their history to England, while civil law systems trace their history to Roman law and the Napoleonic Code.
@ hasankhan
there are roles … there is a role of establishment and agencies to gather secret information .. there is a role of judiciary … there is role for corrupt politicians and their corrupt family members .. there is a role for every one and so there is a role of u and me …
the role of a corrupt person is to do the corruption in a way that no one can get to him .. they have front men .. fake companies .. local and abroad and fake businesses in dubai and london .. its a complex game … and due to ur role u cant understand that .. one of their role is to make people like u fool and ur role is to become a fool … and my role is to become another fool by trying to make u realize that they are making u fool …..
O tera tawa laga gaye .. tujhay choona laga gaye .. teri waatt laga gaye …
but u are just like dumb comedy character of a punjabi aur pushto movie .. where u cant understand .. in fact not willing to understand that u are being made fool by the most corrupt on earth ..
@ ConcernedAmericanPak
article 190 has never been used and is not fully described in details and their are versions of its interpretations …
one states that army and rangers do not come under this article …
“The Supreme Court has the final say on matters of constitutional law, federal law or on matters of mixed federal and provincial competence”.
Pakistan
The Supreme Court has been the apex court for Pakistan since the declaration of the republic in 1956 (previously the Privy Council had that function). The Supreme Court has the final say on matters of constitutional law, federal law or on matters of mixed federal and provincial competence. It can hear appeals on matters of provincial competence only if a matter of a constitutional nature is raised.
With respect to Pakistan’s territories (i.e FATA, Azad Kashmir, Northern Areas and Islamabad Capital Territory (ICT)) the Supreme Court’s jurisdiction is rather limited and varies from territory to territory; it can hear appeals only of a constitutional nature from FATA and Northern Areas, while ICT generally functions the same as provinces. Azad Kashmir has its own courts system and the constitution of Pakistan does not apply to it as such; appeals from Azad Kashmir relate to its relationship with Pakistan.
The provinces have their own courts system, with the High Court as the apex court, except insofar as where an appeal can go to the Supreme Court as mentioned above.
A supreme court (also called a court of last resort, instance, or judgment; or a high or highest court) is in some jurisdictions the highest judicial body within that jurisdiction’s court system, whose rulings are not subject to further review by another court. The designations for such courts differ among jurisdictions. Courts of last resort typically function primarily as appellate courts, hearing appeals from the lower trial courts or intermediate-level appellate courts. Many countries in fact have multiple “supreme courts,” with each being the court of last resort for a particular geographical region or on a particular area of law. The United States, having a federal system of government, has a single Supreme Court of the United States, but each U.S. state furthermore has its own high court over which the U.S. Supreme Court only has jurisdiction on issues of federal law. Other jurisdictions follow the Austrian model of a separate constitutional court (first developed in the Czechoslovak constitution and Austrian Constitution of 1920). Furthermore, in e.g. Finland, Sweden, Czech Republic, Poland, and Taiwan, there is a separate Supreme Administrative Court whose decisions are final and whose jurisdiction does not overlap with the Supreme Court. The U.S. states of Texas and Oklahoma also divide subject matter jurisdiction among two separate courts of last resort, with one hearing criminal cases and the other civil cases.
Many higher courts create through their decisions case law applicable within their respective jurisdictions or interpret codal provisions in civil law countries to maintain a uniform interpretation:
Most common law nations have the doctrine of stare decisis in which the previous rulings (decisions) of a court constitute binding precedent upon the same court or courts of lower status within their jurisdiction.
Most civil law nations do not have the official doctrine of stare decisis and hence the rulings of the supreme court are usually not binding outside the immediate case in question. However, in practice, the precedent, or jurisprudence constante, expressed by those courts is often extremely strong.
hasankhan said:
@mujtaba,no one is insane,not u not me.but i am sure u and canada guy both r biased and liars.if u have any video or audio evidence why u dont send to court if u did why pco cj did,nt take action.
@hasankhan
مسخرے کا گواہ مسخرہ
اگر تمھارے پاس اس کی بیگناہی کی کوئی ویڈیو یا آڈیو ہے تو یہاں پوسٹ کرو .اس مداری کا پیٹ ہے کہ جہنم بھرتا ہی نہیں سارا پاکستان کھا گیا پھر بھی ڈاکارتا بھی نہیں . ایک فوجی کے جوتے اور نہ جانے کیا کیا چاٹ کر این آر لے کر پاکستان آ گیا اپنی ہی بیوی مار کر پاور میں آ گیا ،جب پاور کھکستی نظر آئ تو دوسرے فوجی کی بھی ہر شے چاٹ کر اسے ایکسٹنشن دی ، پاور جاتی نظر آئی تو تھوکا ہوا چیف پھر سے چاٹ لیا .
لکرز ہمیشہ لکنگ ہی کرتے ہے .ویسے ویڈیوز چاہئیں تو یوٹیوب بھری پڑی ہے تمھارے مسخرے کی شراب نوشی کی بھی ، ١٢ ڈبوں کی بھی ، سرے محل کی بھی اور سارا پلین کو گلےلگانے کے لئے ترلے لیتے ہوۓ ٹھرکی کی .نہ میلیں تو میں لنک یہاں پوسٹ کر دوں گا . کرکٹ کے جواریوں کی ویڈیو پر کیا ایکشن ہوا ؟ کیوں کے حصہ تھا اور چیرمن کومشوں پوھنچاتا ہے اس لئے تبدیل نہیں ہو گا .
پی سی و جج کے تمام گناہ ایک عمل دھو دے گا اگر سیالکوٹ کے مظلوموں کو انصاف دلا گیا جو امید ہے انشااللہ دلاے گا .اس پر تمھارے مداری نے کیا کیا تھا ؟ دو کروڑ عوام مر رہی تھی اور وہ فرانس کے محل کی سیراور کمشن بٹورنے فرانس تھا .نہ شرم آنی ہے مسخرے کو نہ اس کے گواہوں کو
@canada1,shut up or put up.give prove otherwise get lost.the u tube u r talking about,cj has seen many time,all that videos r fr sick unpatriotic people like u.ur head is so rotten filled with hate,i,ve never seen a single positive statement fr u.
hasankhan said:
@canada1,shut up or put up.give prove otherwise get lost.the u tube u r talking about,cj has seen many time,all that videos r fr sick unpatriotic people like u.ur head is so rotten filled with hate,i,ve never seen a single positive statement fr u.
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حسن خان آپ تو بابر ا ایوان سے بھی زیادہ دفعہ کر لیتے ہیں زرداری کا.کم از کم مہ رمضان میں ہی ایسے چور کی وکالت سے پرہیز کریں.
canada1,shut up or put up.give prove otherwise get lost.the u tube u r talking about,cj has seen many time,all that videos r fr sick unpatriotic people like u.ur head is so rotten filled with hate,i,ve never seen a single positive statement fr u.
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Are you high on something? You shouldn’t be doing this, atleast in the month of Ramadhan
hasankhan said:
@canada1,shut up or put up.give prove otherwise get lost.the u tube u r talking about,cj has seen many time,all that videos r fr sick unpatriotic people like u.ur head is so rotten filled with hate,i,ve never seen a single positive statement fr u.
@
Is there any positive sitauation in Pakistan since 3 years???????
People like u are the biggest problem of Pakistan, who are supporting corruption for the sake of minor benifits.Stop praising this corruption king.
Formula to make every one happy.
Zardari, Rehman Malik, Babar Awan and the Gen Kayani are having an ariel view of flooded areas in a Air force plane. Zardari looks out the window and says, “You know, I bet I could drop a Rs10,000 Cheque out the window and make one person very happy!” Rehman Malik comments, “Yes, but I could drop ten Rs1000 notes out the window, and make ten people very happy.” Babar Awan says, “True, but I could drop one hundred Rs100 notes out the window, and make one hundred people very happy. Gen Kayani responds, “Big deal! I could drop all of you out the window, and make the whole country happy!”
hasankhan said
حسن بھای جان ایک دفہہ ميں نے پڑا تھا کہ آپ گجرات کے ھيں ؛بھای صاحب آپ ذرا بتايں گے کہ کس گاوں کے رہنے والے ھيں ؛کیونکہ ميں سمجتا ھوں کہ آپ ایک بہادر آدمی ھيں ؛آپ سے آیک ملاقات ہی کرليں ؛کیا خیال ھے ؛
ConcernedAmericanPak said
سرکار آپ کو خدا کا واسطہ آپ بہت آچھا لکھنے والے ھيں ؛لیکن اپ تھوڑا شاٹ کٹ لکھا کريں ؛آپ کے لکھنے کا کیا فدہدہ آگر کوی ّپڑے ہئ نہیں
@saleem raza,i m fr lala musa,kareempura.u can see me any time,no problem.we must discourge sick people giving nonsence comments.we can highlite the problems,give new ideas and solutions.we cannt serve pakistan better just trageting one person.
hasankhan said
i m fr lala musa,kareempura.u can see me any time,no problem.we must discourge sick people giving nonsence comments
@
Thx for the information about your background. Now I got your actual problem.You are paid propaganda Secratory of Phaki Zaman Qaira.Doin great job for right **ll of corruption king.Lala Musa a fertile pice of land of Human Trificking agents ,I am sure you r not one of them beacuse you have a permanent job sing a Zardari song day n night.
Not that your verbose nitpicking are worth my responce but I ought to remind you that you are a person who abandoned this country and its citizenship and you have no write to assume who is criminal minded or not. I really don’t know who you think you are. Anyway, here’s a reminder of who you really are. You took the following oath of allegiance to the United States of America.
“I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God.”
Another thing, I admit that I’m no law expert and the next time I cannot find something written explicitly in the constitution, I’ll make sure to consult a proper law expert about it instead of being wrongfully accused of being a lowlife and dishonest person by an American citizen who abandoned this country and thrives on using derogatory adjectives for others without knowing their true intentions.
If your so honest and brave, why don’t you publicly speak out against the TSA full body scans in your country?
@canada1&mujtaba,i am 200% agree with you,keep up good work on this forum and being a honest in month of ramadan and Allah may bless you in this blessed month.Wanshington post said today donation level is so low bacause of corrupt pakistani govt.but same time post said we have to help in goods not in money,shame on pakistani goverment?have you noticed Dr.Shahid wants to put his words in guest’s mouth?WOW be patient my dear?
In your post addressed to ‘hairpin’, you copied and pasted not only from the constitution of Pakistan but also from the common law section of Wikipedia. Anyway, I thought that plagiarism means to cite a text without paying acknowledgment to the source. So much for the ethics of writing.
Now before I’m accused of spreading confusion on this forum as well as being a lowlife and undereducated person who doesn’t know anything about the constitution, I would like everyone to research the checkered political and constitutional history of Pakistan themselves and verify that it is the common law Doctrine of Necessity (stare decisis) which gave legitimacy to Military dictators and martial laws by subverting the constitutions of each era. This first began with the decision by the Federal Court under Justice Muhammad Munir in the Federation of Pakistan vs Maulvi Tamizuddin Khan case (Source Wikipedia). There was also a decision by the Supreme Court on 31 July 2009, which I acknowledge I am not sure about, but you can check if they overturned this precedence or not.
Furthermore, it is these very military governments which gave prominence to people like Bhutto and Nawaz Sharif as well as being partially responsible for the country’s dismemberment and other problems. If the Supreme Court invokes the army it will be extra-constitutional by my basic understanding which could be wrong, but my intention is not to confuse anyone as alleged by someone.
My abusive language was response to your previous allegation and verbal jabs at me. “(Note: I simply cannot write ‘Pak’ since I’m convinced it its an insult to Paksitan to have this abbreviation affixed ‘ConcernedAmerican’ this way just like in the acronym ‘AfPak’.)” http://pkpolitics.com/2010/08/30/views-on-news-30-august-2010/
But I have changed my mind about you this time, you sound like a reasonable person, so I will treat you like one. My nationality does not change the fact that I was born in Pakistan and have a family history of three thousand years from my fathers side, planted in Punjab. I write about the war crimes and unjust behavior of the American war machine with much more force and with all my written abilities on American sites and have been banned from a lot of those sites.
I have been banned from the PTI forum, after their moderator’s request to join them and than by the request of Imran Khan fan club, I have been banned. PKP youngsters have deleted a lot of my martial because of the harsh language and political differences and wrote me once to stop writing on this site and upon my response they changed their mind, so no one really likes me 100%.
I have been called names by many on this site and eventually they understood me and became more tolerant towards me and some even friends, like Bawa.
I have been offered to write for money several times, but due to my personal integrity and personality of a rabble, no one can buy me or my soul and conscience for a price tag, I write for free and say what I feel, not what the other people want to hear. No one is my role model accept my own conscience and being, I am inspired by people. I am a leader, not a follower, a philosopher more than an intellectual, a peasant by heart, more than an elite.
I believe in justice for all, not only for Muslims or Pakistanis. I have published the oath few times before and will never betray my country USA, but will always speak the truth. If you feel that American Pakistanis are some kind of cowards, than do not accept the money we send to Pakistan and stop your red carpet treatments of all the Americans in Pakistan, even the lowest level white trash. I feel that my job is to be on the side of truth and justice, not on the side of only Pakistan or USA.
My dear, my company use to charge $275 per hour and expenses for my consulting services to the fortune 500 and 100 companies all around the USA, for my ability to analyze and learn on the go.I am giving my services to Pakistan for the sake of my love for the poor people of Pakistan for free of cost and taking all kind of abuse and insults along with it. I have no ego problems or superiority complex, but have a high IQ and a very vibrant brain, have been tested and been graded 198 IQ.
I consider myself a student till the day I die, not a master blaster. So any insulates by you will not change the fact, how I feel about myself. I consider myself a good friend, a good husband and a good father and a decent human being with an altitude, which I need to work on. My tragedy is my health, otherwise I would come to Pakistan and be killed or arrested by now. I hope that you got to know me a little, other than that you are entitled to your opinion.
DR SHAHID HAS GONE MAD, WHATS WRONG WITH HIM? HE IS AFTER ZARDARI AND THATS IT. IN MUSH ERA HE WAS AFTER MUSH AND NOW HE GOT ZARDARI.
QUESTIONS MOSTLY ASKED BY SHAHID
WHAT WILL HAPPEN??
HOW CAN WE SACK ZARDARI?
HOW CAN WE HANG ZARDARI?
HOW CAN WE SHOOT ZARDARI?
PLZZ MR EX JUDGE TELL ME WHAT LAW SAYS BOU ZARDARI??
PLZZ MR EX FEDERAL MINISTER TELL ME WHAT CAN WE DO WITH ZARDARI??
DR SHAHID IS A SICK GUY, NOW HE CALLS FORMER MINISTERS OF MUSH GOVERNMENT AND DO BAKWAAS AND WASTE TIME OF ENTIRE NATION. WE ALL KNOW VERY WELLL HE WAS AFTER THESE MINISTERS IN MUSH REGIME AND NOW HE IS TRYING TO CREATE A MESSS WITH SAME PPL.
THIS SAME DR SUPPORTED PPP AND ZARDARI N CALLED HIMSELF HIS FRIEND ONCE, I AM NOT SAYING THAT THIS GOVT IS GOOD AND ZARDARI IS THE BEST BUT WE PPL VOTED FOR THEM AND CHOSE THEM AS OUR RULERS, NOW WE ARE SAYING THAT THEY R CORRUPT N BLABLAAAAAAAAA, I WANA ASK FROM U ALL THAT WE KNEW THIS FROM THE VERY FIRST DAY DAT PPP N PML N ARE CORRUPT, THEY DID CORRUPTION PREVIOUSLY, BUT WE GV THEM CHANCE AGAIN, N DR SHAHID SUPPORTED PPP A LOT, NOW WHT HE WANT???
NO DOUBT DR SHAHID HAS AGENDA, I AM WATCHING HIM FOR THE LAST 5 YEARS, HE IS BUSY WID SWITCHIN TV CHANNELS N MAKIN MONEY N HE TALKS ONLY BULLSHIT NOW.
My dear, I appreciate your kind words, and as for as the detailed comment is concerned, most of the time the devil is in the detail, read as much as you can, you may learn something.
I was asked by the PKP youngsters, that why I repeat my disgusts about the Pakistani ethnic and family run political mafias over and over? I should tell you why.
When an ironsmith wants to make a sword out of a chunk of metal, what does he do? He pounds on it repeatedly, at times for days than turns a scrap metal into a masterpiece.
That’s why I like to keep pounding on these people to change them, and once they change, I will move on.
End of the day, do your own due diligence, don’t just believe what I say or my references , always cross reference them .
End of the day, I am just a mortal and a human full of faults like most of us.
hairpin said:
@ConcernedAmerican(whatever)
In your post addressed to ‘hairpin’, you copied and pasted not only from the constitution of Pakistan but also from the common law section of Wikipedia. Anyway, I thought that plagiarism means to cite a text without paying acknowledgment to the source. So much for the ethics of writing
My dear, Pakistani constitution is not a copyright material and it is for all of the people to read and use, If you think that I should memorize it, its not my job. Your acknowledgment to the source is appreciated, but all these are free information sites and I am not charging anyone or turning it in as a college work, but if you feel that it makes me look bad, than more power to you. The point was to show you the whole picture, most of the time people do not go to the source and look at it. I hope you feel superior and proud of your findings.
hairpin said:
@ConcernedAmerican(whatever)
In your post addressed to ‘hairpin’, you copied and pasted not only from the constitution of Pakistan but also from the common law section of Wikipedia. Anyway, I thought that plagiarism means to cite a text without paying acknowledgment to the source. So much for the ethics of writing
My dear, Pakistani constitution is not a copyright material and it is for all of the people to read and use, If you think that I should memorize it, its not my job. Your acknowledgment to the source is appreciated, but all these are free information sites and I am not charging anyone or turning it in as a college work, but if you feel that it makes me look bad, than more power to you. The point was to show you the whole picture, most of the time people do not go to the source and look at it. I hope you feel superior and proud of your findings. I do not like to pull shit out of my ass and make it the point of my comment.
“Now before I’m accused of spreading confusion on this forum as well as being a lowlife and undereducated person who doesn’t know anything about the constitution”
Read the whole thing my smartass friend or foe….”and if you do know, you are being mischievous and dishonest about it”.
“This first began with the decision by the Federal Court under Justice Muhammad Munir in the Federation of Pakistan vs Maulvi Tamizuddin Khan case (Source Wikipedia). There was also a decision by the Supreme Court on 31 July 2009, which I acknowledge I am not sure about, but you can check if they overturned this precedence or not”.
My dear you have a valid point but again either you are trying to impress me with your ability to point out your source and give me an example of obvious faults of Pakistani judicial system in the past, but my comment is about the current “so far” free judiciary.
You can go as back as Adam and Eve and give examples, it wont make no difference to me. Again my faith and hope is with the current judiciary and their ability to interoperate the law with the spirit of the law and be free and faire in their interpretations.
So far they have shown character, and I can not see or predict the future. An argument on the basses of the wrongs done in fthe past is the same old ridicules argument the PPPP, MQM and PML-N use against each other. You need to grownup and don’t try to mix the apples with the oranges.
I’ve learned my lesson. You and I are clearly not on the same wavelength. I will never argue with you again because I think that there is nothing to gain from it. If I took any personal swipes then I apologize. I’ve read your criticism about me and perhaps I am unable to express myself properly; therefore I think its best for me not to write on this forum anymore.
My dear, I got little carried away due to your attack on my nationality and other little personal stuff, but reading you as an intelligent person with his opinion and his willingness to accept and learn, I feel that you can be a valuable asset to this site. Feel free to criticize and correct me and let me explain myself, if you will. Don’t attack the messenger if you do not like or at times understand the message.
I have been dealing with the paid agents of the current Pakistani Political family and ethnic mafia’s and their propaganda, so at times I like to correct them or challenge them. If you are making honest mistakes in your judgment than I will not address them and let you express yourself, but if you state things out of content and throw blanket falls statements, than I may challenge you and correct you. Don’t take it personal.
Aik hun muslim said:
that guy from Lalamusa must be related to Manzoor Shah???
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yes. he is from there that why he is not a A .genuine ?
I have firm believe that the poorest person in pakistan is Asif Ali Zardari…. his appitite for money is so high that he is willing to burn and kill every one who is coming in his way.He is citizen of USA and want to fly soon back to his palaces and want his son Bilawal Zardari to take his place.
All this darma is very sad and stage by our army General Pervais Musharraf,who is now with his masters in buston USA.
Zardari as person is not having any qualification to be a clark anywhere in the world., no even security guard job,or car wishing person on foot paths …. so the question is who bring him into power ? ? —— The answer is Corrupt Generals of pak- army.
People like Ali Ahmed Kurd and Aitzaz Ahsan are the wolfs in sheep’s clothing, both are opportunists who took part in the lawyers movement on the behest of their paymasters, the PPPP and Bhutto family dynastical mafia and as soon as they got the first chance they back stabbed the lawyers movement.
Aitzaz Ahsan is a criminal who knows everything about the Zardari and BB’s corruption and has been a part and parcel of the criminal enterprise. Zardari mafia knows his weak points and all the millions he made representing one of the biggest crime family of the world, the Bhutto crime mob, and he is compromised and under the obligation of his political criminal enterprise.
He never leaves the PPPP, even when he was mistreated for by Asif Ali Madari, but due to his personal involvement with the Bhutto crime family and being their representative and beneficiary he kept his mouth shut and still is with them.
Ali Ahmed Kurd has show his colors as a PPPP beneficiary and sold his soul and cashed out his notoriety for the money and has become a political midget who looked like a giant under the sunshine of the honorable chief justice of Pakistan, once he got out of the sunshine, his shadow shrunk into his real self and he showed up like a mental and physical midget as he is.
Qazi Anwar has not been declared the fifth smartest person by the American “stink tanks” run by the neo-Satans like Aitzaz Ahsan, who very smartly sold his soul and made the lawyers movement irrelevant by the instruction of his paymasters, the American toddies’ and literally poodles and subservient slaves, the President and the Prime Mistress of Pakistan.
Mr Qazi Anwar is an honorable and independent person with integrity and self respect, unlike these two legal whores who will sell their services to the highest bidder,Asif Ali Madari, and bilawal the metro sexual scum bag a son of a criminal, traitor, international money launderer, despicable human, a possible murderer of their old paymaster, the BB, psychopath and a human cancer for Pakistan and will work for the best interest of their own on the expense of the nation of Pakistan.
Under the current political circumstances, the Americans still have some card under their sleeves to win this Pakistan political poker game and one of the cards they may still use to save the PPPP is Aitzaz Ahsan the other sold-out and most compromised person is Nawaz Sharif and the last card is Imran Khan. ANP, MQM and Money Mullahs are their to be had and already their boys. Army chief is their hand picked boy, so now the time will tell, which card will they show and which will be the wild card. Just wait and see.
the thing is, u made a point that if there is so much hatred in pak against US, then we shouldn’t accept aid from them or their officials shouldn’t be given that much of protocol. i think u addressed this particular thing on a wrong forum bcoz no pakistani govt. official will read ur comment here to take ur advice as its not ppl who take aid or grant from US neither is that aid consumed on welfare of Pakistani ppl. secondly whatever US pays to Pak for fight against terror are just peanuts. the thing to be understood is, american aid is not the requirement or need of Pakistani ppl rather Pakistan is the need of america for it’s presence in afghanistan.
Pakistan is in driving seat in this so called war against terror, which unfortunately has ruined the country but our sold out rulers don’t have the guts to cash their importance in the whole scenario.
Another thing with due apology, I would like to say that no matter how much the person is capable or competent, if he or she suffers from self praising or self idealism sort of thing then that is no good by any means. I am talking in general.
I agree with you and you do not need to apologize, you made a very valid point in a very decent way.
I was trying to tell my esteemed friend that I am just as capable as the next person on the same token I also said that all of us also are just humans and are capable of making honest mistakes. I did not mean that Pakistanis should not get help from USA, I was being sarcastic and sort of annoyed.
My point is that Pakistani people or the government can and will never get respect unless or until they become self sufficient and stand on their own feet. My friend it is our obligation and duty to help our families in need in Pakistan, and that is the way it should be.
Overseas Pakistani send at least or more than 15 billion dollars, direct or indirect to Pakistan, which a great majority is sent back by the corrupt politicians, army elites and other corrupt businessmen and government officials back to the West by money laundering and simple theft.
99% of tourist in Pakistan are the overseas Pakistanis visiting their family and friends, and still if one calls them some sort of cowards who left Pakistan than it is shameful and regrettable.
I apologize if I made an impression of self praising or self idealism, it was not my intention, but in the future I will try to be humble and more careful about how I represent myself. I feel that I may have left a bad impression on some people. All what I was trying to say that for the love of Pakistan, I would have worked for free, but due to my poor health I regret the fact that I can not do that.
A quality of a good person is that he or she tells you about your mistakes, so you can learn from them, and I thank you for that.
@ ConcernedAmericanPak 190. Action in aid of Supreme Court. All executive and judicial authorities through out Pakistan shall act in aid of the Supreme Court.
as i said many interpretations … people are not sure or they are making people confuse about this that … if Army comes under the executive and judicial authorities or not ?
the thing is, u made a point that if there is so much hatred in pak against US, then we shouldn’t accept aid from them or their officials shouldn’t be given that much of protocol
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its the same in US .. they hate us the same way .. so they shouldnt give us aid at first point …
“The Supreme Court has the final say on matters of constitutional law, federal law or on matters of mixed federal and provincial competence”.
Pakistan
The Supreme Court has been the apex court for Pakistan since the declaration of the republic in 1956 (previously the Privy Council had that function). The Supreme Court has the final say on matters of constitutional law, federal law or on matters of mixed federal and provincial competence. It can hear appeals on matters of provincial competence only if a matter of a constitutional nature is raised.
Even though it is a very complicated issue and there has been no precedence , but my point is that the Supreme Court can do its own interpretation and overcome the loopholes and set a new example for the future. End of the day, the Supreme Court is “Supreme“….
There is yet another reason and no less compelling argument against the proposition. Our constitution does not envisage a situation where the government could conceivably violate or ignore the order of the Supreme Court.
Just as the executive organ is autonomous within its own sphere, so is the judiciary. Interpretation of the constitution and the laws is the exclusive domain of the judiciary.
“Once the Supreme Court gives a judgment, it is not open to any authority to defy or ignore it. While there is room for criticism of the judgments, there is no room for defiance”.
In case of any attempted defiance or disobedience of the judgment, Article 204 and the law framed there under confer sufficient power on the court to punish “any authority or person” who obstructs or interferes with its implementation. It is the obligation of all heads of the departments of the government and other civil servants to execute the directives of the court in letter and spirit.
“In the event of failure, the court can take coercive action against the concerned officer and ensure implementation of its judgment”.
Qazi Anwars of this world are the biggest curse on this nation along with their patrons in the shape of Napak army. It is unfortunate that the “waashi mullahs” have again turned their sight on the innocent people of Pakistan instead of Napak army. The Military Mullah alliance is in full swing now…..
End of the day, simple police action is required to arrest, even the Prime Minister of Pakistan and the President can be impeached and or disqualified and thus looses his constitutional protection.
pejamistri said:
Qazi Anwars of this world are the biggest curse on this nation along with their patrons in the shape of Napak army. It is unfortunate that the “waashi mullahs” have again turned their sight on the innocent people of Pakistan instead of Napak army. The Military Mullah alliance is in full swing now…..
Those not implementing SC decisions can be punished; SC issues detailed judgment dismissing review petitions in PCO judges case
Wednesday, February 10, 2010
By Tariq Butt & Usman Manzoor
ISLAMABAD: “Article 190 of the Constitution is a mandatory provision under which there is no alternative for the executive but to act in aid of the Supreme Court. Persons identified as responsible for non-implementation of the judgment can be punished by the Supreme Court for contempt for disobedience of its judgment,” the Supreme Court ruled in its detailed judgment, which disallowed several review petitions filed against its July 31, 2009 judgment in the PCO judges case.
The short order in the case disallowing the petitions was issued on Oct 13, 2009 by the 14-member bench headed by Chief Justice Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry, which dismissed the review petitions filed by some PCO judges against the July 31 ruling. The detailed judgment has now been posted on the website of the Supreme Court.
The review petitions, which were disallowed, were filed by former Justices Khurshid Anwar Bhinder, Hasnat Ahmed Khan, Zafar Iqbal Chaudhry, Syed Shabbar Raza Rizvi and others including Syed Sajjad Hussain Shah, Mrs Yasmin Abbasi, Muhammad Ahsan Bhoon, Anwar-ul-Haq Pannu, Syed Hamid Ali Shah, Barrister Jahanzeb Rahim and Syed Zulfiqar Ali Bokhari. It is worth mentioning that not all the PCO and Dogar recommended judges had filed the review petitions.
Justice Javed Iqbal wrote the main judgment (21,127 words) while Justice Sardar Muhammad Raza Khan dissented with it and came out with his own note (6,888 words). Justice Ch Ijaz Ahmad and Justice Rehmat Hussain Jafferi consented to the judgment but also wrote their additional notes containing 338 words and 1,123 words respectively.
The Supreme Court ruled that persons identified as responsible for non-implementation of a judgment can be punished by the Supreme Court for contempt for disobedience of its verdict and it is mandatory that all executive and judicial authorities throughout Pakistan shall act in aid of the Supreme Court under Article 190 of the Constitution.
Although the review petition pertains to the issue of judges’ appointment during Dogar’s tenure, this detailed judgment has an important relevance to the apex court’s ruling on NRO that still remains unimplemented.
If read in that context, the SC interpretation of Article 190 in this judgment would be applicable in the NRO decision which despite the lapse of several weeks is yet to be implemented by the executive.
Besides other directions in the NRO case the SC had unambiguously ordered the executive to immediately write to the Swiss authorities to revive the cases and other investigations as they stood on October 4, 2007. According to this detailed judgment the Supreme Court can punish those who are not implementing the decision on NRO.
While writing the detailed judgment of review petition by PCO judges, Justice Javed Iqbal penned down, “According to Mr Wasim Sajjad, learned Sr ASC, pursuant to acceptance of C.P. No.8 of 2009 the petitioners have been declared not to be Judges and soon after the judgment impugned the petitioners in Civil Miscellaneous Application No.2745 of 2009 and the other persons falling in the second category were removed from their offices by means of Notification No. F.12(4)/2007-A.II-(Vol.II)(d) dated 2.8.2009.”
“We have considered this argument advanced by learned counsel but find little force to commend it. Firstly, it is to be noted that the removal of the petitioners from the office being occupied by them was a direct consequence of the finding that the actions of General (Retd) Pervez Musharraf taken on 3.11.2007 were void ab initio and secondly that the Notifications of those petitioners who were appointed Judges of the High Courts between 3.11.2007 and 23.3.2009 had not been issued after “consultation” with the Chief Justice of Pakistan as mandated by Article 193 of the Constitution.”
“Where the Supreme Court deliberately and with the intention of settling the law, pronounces upon a question, such pronouncement is the law declared by the Supreme Court within the meaning of this article and is binding on all Courts in Pakistan. It cannot be treated as mere obiter dictam”.
Referring to its July 31 verdict, the Supreme Court said it was the first instance of the apex court stating in a categorical, loud and abundantly clear manner that military interventions are illegal and will hardly find any colluder in future within the judiciary, another important detailed judgment says.
In fact, the judgment impugned has been considered in Pakistan as well as at global level as a triumph of democratic principles and a stinging negation of the dictatorship, the detailed decision said.
It said the July 31 verdict provides much needed redress as it will render considerable help in blocking the way of adventurers and dictators to creep in easily by taking supra-constitutional steps endorsed, supported and upheld under the garb of the principle of necessity in the past which will never happen again.
“Had our superior judiciary followed the path of non-PCO judges, the course of Pakistan’s political and judicial history would have been different. The verdict has been appreciated by all segments of society for being issue-oriented rather than individual-specific and therefore, no individual including the petitioners” [PCO judges] “should be aggrieved. The judgment impugned would encourage future justices to take the firm stand against usurpers. The judgment impugned being in the supreme national interest hardly needs any justification for review.”
The decision said that the July 31 verdict has the status of conclusiveness and finality and no person can be allowed to challenge it merely for the reason that he was not a party in the case and had not been heard.
Another important observation of the apex court was that in the light of precedents, there remains no doubt that none other than the Chief Justice of Pakistan (CJP and not even an acting CJP, who is a constitutional functionary), can be the consultee in terms of the constitutional provision.
According to the verdict, the most which has been urged by persons notified as judges of this Supreme Court or of the high courts between Nov 11, 2007 and March 23, 2009 on the basis of “consultation” with Abdul Hameed Dogar, purporting to act as CJP, is that he was the de facto chief justice and, therefore, consultation with him was sufficient to fulfil the requirement of Article 193 of the Constitution. It said that this contention is misconceived and wholly without merit. “We need go no further than the case titled Al-Jehad Trust Vs. Federation of Pakistan and others (PLD 1996 SC 324) to debunk the argument.
For the sake of sanctity and the rule of ‘law and order’ in the Country; the Supreme Court Judges ought to check their adopted course of action and they must ensure that court orders are implemented with authority in true letter and spirit.
Article 190 of the Constitution of Pakistan is always there by which Supreme Court may ask all the Executive and Judicial Authorities throughout Pakistan (that Includes Army) to come in aid of Supreme Court, in order to up hold the sanctity of the Courts and to make sure that courts order are obeyed and duly implemented .
does Army come under Article 190 or not …
are they part of executive and/or judiciary … ??
Yes, I hope so, SC could nuke Asif Ali Madari….
The National Command Authority (NCA) of Pakistan is the Pakistani organisation responsible for policy formulation and the exercise of employment and development control over all strategic nuclear forces and “strategic organizations”. “It is also a military-controlled organization of Pakistan”
few days back I heard someone form army saying “army can be called to help supreme court and general jahangir karamat set a wrong examlpe by directing the request of justice sajjad ali shah to ministry of defence”
point is that at that army decided to side with the govt,may be this time they go opposite
@ Tornado
we have to see things in the proper perspective, time, scenario and details …
the question was if army is not part of executive neither part of judiciary then how it lies in A-190 – {that is about the details}
and if it does … then if SC calls it would it come or nor .. the answer is {time} .. at this time … if current CJP asks .. and the first assumption is true .. army would most likely come to help SC … willingly or not …
salam
@ConcernedAmericanPak
yes u r really concerned pakistani. well dear brother i was not point at u rahter i was talking in general. u made a good point about overseas pakistanis. they r very patriotic ppl and yes they r contributing to the pakistan’s economy.
whenever any issue arises and in any case even pakistani community here in london express their deep concern and they r well wishers of pakistan but most of the ppl here r not satisfied with the govt. and i had a word with few students and i was amazed that they want to return to pakistan but they said pakistan’s law and order situation will never improve in zardari’s rule and they r also expecting and waiting for a good ruler to come.
I also feel sorry when local goras and other communities like sikhs and arabs here curse our pak govt. they did that when zardari toured UK.
brother label of overseas pakistani doesn’t make us lesser pakistani by any means and I really appreciate u for ur comments and feelings about Pakistan.
@hasankhan said:
@canada1,shut up or put up.give prove otherwise get lost.the u tube u r talking about,cj has seen many time,all that videos r fr sick unpatriotic people like u.ur head is so rotten filled with hate,i,ve never seen a single positive statement fr u.
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Hassan khan rocking .aap in logon ky liya akaily hi kafi hein.
weisey mein yeh 3 Idiots(Qazi Anwer,Dr shahid,Asad durani) film nahi dekhney wala .
@hasankhan said:
@canada1,shut up or put up.give prove otherwise get lost.the u tube u r talking about,cj has seen many time,all that videos r fr sick unpatriotic people like u.ur head is so rotten filled with hate,i,ve never seen a single positive statement fr u.
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tameez se baat ker baitay ….
agar tujhay ghlazat se aur duniya ki ghaleez tareen makhlooq yani zardari se itna piar hai tu apni bekwas apnay tek rekh … aur cheif justice ka naam apni napak zabaan se na lia ker .. teri zaban is laaiq ahin ke un ka pak nqaam bhi terey jaisay genday insaan ki zuban per aye … tu bhuto jaisay madaari aur zardari jaisay chor se ishq ker .. yeh tujhay kisi ki bed dua hai .. pehlay hi terey haal itna bura hai aur kia ho ga
@ Bawa
باوا بھائی ، اسلام علیکم
آپ سے گزارش ہے کہ بلا تاخیر فورم پر واپس آ جائیں مسخروں کی حیثیت سب کو معلوم ہیں ان کا مقصد بھی سب کو معلوم ہے .آپ کے بغیر اس فورم کا کوئی مزہ نہیں سیاسی فورم پر کچھ مراثی ،کنجر اور بھانڈ آ جائیں تو ان کو صرف انجوائے کریں ان سے مراثی سے مہذب بننے کی امید نہ کریں . امید ہے آپ اپنے بھائی کی درخواست رد نہیں کریں گے
زلزلہ کی امداد ہضم ، سیلاب کی امداد ہضم ، کیری لوگر امداد ہضم ، وار آن ٹیرور امداد ہضم ، سٹیل مل ہضم ، سوئس اکاونٹ ہضم ، سارا خزانہ ہضم ،آبدوزوں کی کمیشن ہضم ،سرے محل ہضم ،بی بی کا قتل ہضم ، مرتضیٰ کا قتل ہضم
ٹارگٹ کلنگ ہضم ،کرکٹ کا جوا ہضم ، وزیروں کی کرپشن ہضم ، جعلی ڈگریاں ہضم ، سپریم کورٹ کا فیصلہ ہضم ،این آر او ہضم
کیا جہنم کی آگ بھی ……………ہضم ؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟
Article 190 of the constitution states:
Action in aid of Supreme Court.
All executive and judicial authorities through out Pakistan shall act in aid of the Supreme Court.
The clause clearly states that the authorities that will act in aid of the Supreme Court are
1. Executive authorities
2. Judicial authorities
There is no mention of the Supreme Court directly invoking the Army for any kind of assistance nor is the Army or the armed forces explicitly mentioned in this article.
It is only in a Martial Law that the COAS is the executive authority.
Therefore, by my reckoning, Wasi Zafar’s arguments make sense.
@canada1,
زلزلہ کی امداد ہضم ، سیلاب کی امداد ہضم ، کیری لوگر امداد ہضم ، وار آن ٹیرور امداد ہضم ، سٹیل مل ہضم ، سوئس اکاونٹ ہضم ، سارا خزانہ ہضم ،آبدوزوں کی کمیشن ہضم ،سرے محل ہضم ،بی بی کا قتل ہضم ، مرتضیٰ کا قتل ہضم
ٹارگٹ کلنگ ہضم ،کرکٹ کا جوا ہضم ، وزیروں کی کرپشن ہضم ، جعلی ڈگریاں ہضم ، سپریم کورٹ کا فیصلہ ہضم ،این آر او ہضم
کیا جہنم کی آگ بھی ……………ہضم ؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟
what pco cj is doing.why does,nt he take the action,is he also geting his share.stop spreading lies in the month of Ramdan,if u have any proves go to court,other wise shut up.
@ hasankhan
are u insane .. or u urself dont have any resepct of month of ramdan … whats lie in that statement …
جیالوں کا ڈاکٹر شاھد کو جواب
جیالے ہیں
ہم پیپلز پارٹی والے ہیں
ہم لاٹ صاحب کے سالے ہیں
اے بھوکے نںگے لوگو
اب جان ہماری چھوڑو
یہ پاکستان ہمارا ہے
تم جاؤ سیلاب میں دوڑو
وردی والے آتے ہیں
تو دس سال تک رہتے ہیں
ہم ابھی ابھی تو آۓ ہیں
اور مشرف صاحب ہی لاۓ ہیں
ہمیں پانچ سال تو رہنے دو
اے بھوکے نںگے لوگو
اب جان ہماری چھوڑو
یہ پاکستان ہمارا ہے
تم جاؤ سیلاب میں دوڑو
سب کہتے ہم راشی ہیں
بھلا رشوت کون نہیں لیتا
سب لیتے تھے ہم لیتے ہیں
ہم کون سا دھوکہ دیتے ہیں
اب اتنی ذرا سی بات پے تم
یہ رشتے ناطے نہ توڑو
اے بھوکے نںگے لوگو
اب جان ہماری چھوڑو
یہ پاکستان ہمارا ہے
تم جاؤ سیلاب میں دوڑو
@mujtaba,no one is insane,not u not me.but i am sure u and canada guy both r biased and liars.if u have any video or audio evidence why u dont send to court if u did why pco cj did,nt take action.
اسلام علیکم
باوا جی آپ کی کمی بڑی شدت سے محسوس ہو رہی ہے آپ کے کہنے پر بہوت سے روٹھے ہوۓ دوست واپس اس فورم پر آ گۓ اب آپ سے گزارش ہے کہ آپ بھی اپنے دوستوں کی خاطر اس فورم پر واپس آ جائیں آپ کی بہوت مہربانی ہو گی
باوا جی سچ بول رہا ہوں آپ کے بغیر یہ فورم کسی کام کا نہیں ہے ایک گندے انڈے کی وجہ سے آپ بہوت سے اچھے دوستوں سے دور مت ہوں
آپ کا بہوت شکریہ
@ hasankhan
آپ کا دودھ کالا ہے بھائی
کنیڈا بھائی اور مجتبیٰ بھائی کو کیا پتا یہ تو بیچارے بچے ہیں مرداری صاحب تو آپ کے دودھ کی طرح بلکل پاک صاف ہیں
میرا مطلب آپ والا دودھ سمج گۓ نا بھائی جی
باوا بھائی کو آخری نوٹس اف الٹی میٹم
ویسے تو میری اس فورم حیثیت بہت معمولی ہے اور مرے آنے نہ آنے سے کوئی فرق پڑنے والا بھی نہیں- لیکن پھر بھی اگر باوا بھائی دو دن میں واپس نہیں آے تو مجھے بھی دوسرے فورم کے بھائیوں سے رخصت لینی پڑے گی- یہاں بہت سے دوست بناے ہیں اور بہت سے دوستوں سے گپ شپ بھی رہتی ہے لیکن اس فورم پر آنے کی وجہ صرف اور صرف باوا بھائی ہی تھے- اگر باوا بھائی واپس نہیں آ رہے تو پھر یہاں آ کر میں کیا کروں گا-
جہاں رہیں خوش رہیں،
الله نگہبان
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hasankhan said:
@mujtaba,no one is insane,not u not me.but i am sure u and canada guy both r biased and liars.if u have any video or audio evidence why u dont send to court if u did why pco cj did,nt take action
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Hasan khan what do u think when they do corruption,they make their own video to present in the court in future as evidence ?
@aadam,they dont make their own video but media ,establishment and secret agencies are always after them.their every movement and word is being recorded and bugged.when they will have single credible evidence,zerdari will be packed to jail.when media is free,judiciary is free and establishment is hostile its nearly imposible to do the corruption.the noise of corruption is fr zerdari haters,taliban lovers,dictators boot lickers and fr establishment agents and fr media to get easy ratings.
@hairpin, 1 September 2010 at 10:05 pm
Not that you are worth my response, your continual efforts to misguide very intelligent people on this thread shows your agenda to spread confusion by your selective and criminally motivated interpretations of the constitution of Pakistan. You lowlife and undereducated person does not know shit about the constitution of Pakistan and if you do know, you are being mischievous and dishonest about it.
The 190. Action in aid of Supreme Court, means that all the authorities, which means the law and order institutes, Rangers, Pakistan Army and all the other authorities through out Pakistan are bound by the constitution of Pakistan to aid the Supreme Court of Pakistan. And if you tell us that this is subject to interpretation than you moron, Parliament can make laws and who is the highest authority or the only authority to do the interpretation of those laws, let me tell you, it’s the Supreme Court.
187 Issue and Execution of Processes of Supreme Court.
(1) [168] [Subject to clause(2) of Article 175, the]Supreme Court shall have power to issue such directions, orders or decrees as may be necessary for doing complete justice in any case or matter pending before it, including an order for the purpose of securing the attendance of any person or the discovery or production of any document.
(2) Any such direction, order or decree shall be enforceable throughout Pakistan and shall, where it is to be executed in a Province, or a territory or an area not forming part of a Province but within the jurisdiction of the High Court of the Province, be executed as if it had been issued by the High Court of that Province.
(3) If a question arises as to which High Court shall give effect to a direction, order or decree of the Supreme Court, the decision of the Supreme Court on the question shall be final.
188. Review of Judgments or Orders by the Supreme Court.
“The Supreme Court shall have power, subject to the provisions of any Act of [169] [Majlis-e-Shoora (Parliament)] and of any rules made by the Supreme Court, to review any judgment pronounced or any order made by it.”
189. Decisions of Supreme Court binding on other Courts.
Any decision of the Supreme Court shall, to the extent that it decides a question of law or is based upon or enunciates a principle of law, be binding on all other courts in Pakistan.
190. Action in aid of Supreme Court.
All executive and judicial authorities through out Pakistan shall act in aid of the Supreme Court.
191. Rules of Procedure.
Subject to the Constitution and law, the Supreme Court may make rules regulating the practice and procedure of the Court.
Common law is law developed by judges through decisions of courts and similar tribunals (also called case law), rather than through legislative statutes or executive branch action. A “common law system” is a legal system that gives great precedential weight to common law,[1] on the principle that it is unfair to treat similar facts differently on different occasions.[2] The body of precedent is called “common law” and it binds future decisions. In cases where the parties disagree on what the law is, an idealized common law court looks to past precedential decisions of relevant courts. If a similar dispute has been resolved in the past, the court is bound to follow the reasoning used in the prior decision (this principle is known as stare decisis). If, however, the court finds that the current dispute is fundamentally distinct from all previous cases (called a “matter of first impression”), judges have the authority and duty to make law by creating precedent.[3] Thereafter, the new decision becomes precedent, and will bind future courts.
In practice, common law systems are considerably more complicated than the idealized system described above. The decisions of a court are binding only in a particular jurisdiction, and even within a given jurisdiction, some courts have more power than others. For example, in most jurisdictions, decisions by appellate courts are binding on lower courts in the same jurisdiction and on future decisions of the same appellate court, but decisions of lower courts are only non-binding persuasive authority. Interactions between common law, constitutional law, statutory law and regulatory law also give rise to considerable complexity. However stare decisis, the principle that similar cases should be decided according to consistent principled rules so that they will reach similar results, lies at the heart of all common law systems.
Common law legal systems are in widespread use, particularly in England where it originated in the Middle Ages,[4] and in nations that trace their legal heritage to England as former colonies of the British Empire, including the United States, Malaysia, Singapore, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, India,[5] Ghana, Cameroon, Canada, Ireland, New Zealand, South Africa, Hong Kong and Australia.[6]
1. Common law as opposed to statutory law and regulatory law
This connotation distinguishes the authority that promulgated a law. For example, most areas of law in most Anglo-American jurisdictions include “statutory law” enacted by a legislature, “regulatory law” promulgated by executive branch agencies pursuant to delegation of rule-making authority from the legislature, and common law or “case law”, i.e., decisions issued by courts (or quasi-judicial tribunals within agencies).[7][8] This first connotation can be further differentiated into (a) pure common law arising from the traditional and inherent authority of courts to define what the law is, even in absence of an underlying statute, e.g., most criminal law and procedural law before the 20th century, and even today, most of contract law and the law of torts, and (b) court decisions that decide the fine boundaries and distinctions in law promulgated by other bodies, such as “judicial interpretations of the Constitution, of statutes, and of regulations”.[9]
2. Common law legal systems as opposed to civil law legal systems
This connotation differentiates “common law” jurisdictions and legal systems from “civil law” or “code” jurisdictions.[9] Common law systems place great weight on court decisions, which are considered “law” with the same force of law as statutes. By contrast, in civil law jurisdictions (the legal tradition that prevails in, or is combined with common law in, Europe and most non-Islamic, non-common law countries), judicial precedent is given less weight (which means that a judge deciding a given case has more freedom to interpret the text of a statute independently, and less predictably), and scholarly literature is given more. For example, the Napoleonic code expressly forbade French judges from pronouncing general principles of law.[10]
As a rough rule of thumb, common law systems trace their history to England, while civil law systems trace their history to Roman law and the Napoleonic Code.
@ hasankhan
there are roles … there is a role of establishment and agencies to gather secret information .. there is a role of judiciary … there is role for corrupt politicians and their corrupt family members .. there is a role for every one and so there is a role of u and me …
the role of a corrupt person is to do the corruption in a way that no one can get to him .. they have front men .. fake companies .. local and abroad and fake businesses in dubai and london .. its a complex game … and due to ur role u cant understand that .. one of their role is to make people like u fool and ur role is to become a fool … and my role is to become another fool by trying to make u realize that they are making u fool …..
O tera tawa laga gaye .. tujhay choona laga gaye .. teri waatt laga gaye …
but u are just like dumb comedy character of a punjabi aur pushto movie .. where u cant understand .. in fact not willing to understand that u are being made fool by the most corrupt on earth ..
@ ConcernedAmericanPak
article 190 has never been used and is not fully described in details and their are versions of its interpretations …
one states that army and rangers do not come under this article …
@Mujtaba
“The Supreme Court has the final say on matters of constitutional law, federal law or on matters of mixed federal and provincial competence”.
Pakistan
The Supreme Court has been the apex court for Pakistan since the declaration of the republic in 1956 (previously the Privy Council had that function). The Supreme Court has the final say on matters of constitutional law, federal law or on matters of mixed federal and provincial competence. It can hear appeals on matters of provincial competence only if a matter of a constitutional nature is raised.
With respect to Pakistan’s territories (i.e FATA, Azad Kashmir, Northern Areas and Islamabad Capital Territory (ICT)) the Supreme Court’s jurisdiction is rather limited and varies from territory to territory; it can hear appeals only of a constitutional nature from FATA and Northern Areas, while ICT generally functions the same as provinces. Azad Kashmir has its own courts system and the constitution of Pakistan does not apply to it as such; appeals from Azad Kashmir relate to its relationship with Pakistan.
The provinces have their own courts system, with the High Court as the apex court, except insofar as where an appeal can go to the Supreme Court as mentioned above.
A supreme court (also called a court of last resort, instance, or judgment; or a high or highest court) is in some jurisdictions the highest judicial body within that jurisdiction’s court system, whose rulings are not subject to further review by another court. The designations for such courts differ among jurisdictions. Courts of last resort typically function primarily as appellate courts, hearing appeals from the lower trial courts or intermediate-level appellate courts. Many countries in fact have multiple “supreme courts,” with each being the court of last resort for a particular geographical region or on a particular area of law. The United States, having a federal system of government, has a single Supreme Court of the United States, but each U.S. state furthermore has its own high court over which the U.S. Supreme Court only has jurisdiction on issues of federal law. Other jurisdictions follow the Austrian model of a separate constitutional court (first developed in the Czechoslovak constitution and Austrian Constitution of 1920). Furthermore, in e.g. Finland, Sweden, Czech Republic, Poland, and Taiwan, there is a separate Supreme Administrative Court whose decisions are final and whose jurisdiction does not overlap with the Supreme Court. The U.S. states of Texas and Oklahoma also divide subject matter jurisdiction among two separate courts of last resort, with one hearing criminal cases and the other civil cases.
Many higher courts create through their decisions case law applicable within their respective jurisdictions or interpret codal provisions in civil law countries to maintain a uniform interpretation:
Most common law nations have the doctrine of stare decisis in which the previous rulings (decisions) of a court constitute binding precedent upon the same court or courts of lower status within their jurisdiction.
Most civil law nations do not have the official doctrine of stare decisis and hence the rulings of the supreme court are usually not binding outside the immediate case in question. However, in practice, the precedent, or jurisprudence constante, expressed by those courts is often extremely strong.
hasankhan said:
@mujtaba,no one is insane,not u not me.but i am sure u and canada guy both r biased and liars.if u have any video or audio evidence why u dont send to court if u did why pco cj did,nt take action.
@hasankhan
مسخرے کا گواہ مسخرہ
اگر تمھارے پاس اس کی بیگناہی کی کوئی ویڈیو یا آڈیو ہے تو یہاں پوسٹ کرو .اس مداری کا پیٹ ہے کہ جہنم بھرتا ہی نہیں سارا پاکستان کھا گیا پھر بھی ڈاکارتا بھی نہیں . ایک فوجی کے جوتے اور نہ جانے کیا کیا چاٹ کر این آر لے کر پاکستان آ گیا اپنی ہی بیوی مار کر پاور میں آ گیا ،جب پاور کھکستی نظر آئ تو دوسرے فوجی کی بھی ہر شے چاٹ کر اسے ایکسٹنشن دی ، پاور جاتی نظر آئی تو تھوکا ہوا چیف پھر سے چاٹ لیا .
لکرز ہمیشہ لکنگ ہی کرتے ہے .ویسے ویڈیوز چاہئیں تو یوٹیوب بھری پڑی ہے تمھارے مسخرے کی شراب نوشی کی بھی ، ١٢ ڈبوں کی بھی ، سرے محل کی بھی اور سارا پلین کو گلےلگانے کے لئے ترلے لیتے ہوۓ ٹھرکی کی .نہ میلیں تو میں لنک یہاں پوسٹ کر دوں گا . کرکٹ کے جواریوں کی ویڈیو پر کیا ایکشن ہوا ؟ کیوں کے حصہ تھا اور چیرمن کومشوں پوھنچاتا ہے اس لئے تبدیل نہیں ہو گا .
پی سی و جج کے تمام گناہ ایک عمل دھو دے گا اگر سیالکوٹ کے مظلوموں کو انصاف دلا گیا جو امید ہے انشااللہ دلاے گا .اس پر تمھارے مداری نے کیا کیا تھا ؟ دو کروڑ عوام مر رہی تھی اور وہ فرانس کے محل کی سیراور کمشن بٹورنے فرانس تھا .نہ شرم آنی ہے مسخرے کو نہ اس کے گواہوں کو
shahid masoood is a complete idiot….
@mujtaba,so u want to say secret agencies,judiciary,media failed to fulfil their roles,only corrupt politicians succeeded.
اگر یہ تصویر بختاور اور آصفہ زرداری بھٹو کی ہوتی تب بھی زرداری اپنی جیب سے پیسے نہ نکلتا، یہ زمیں او آسماں کب پھٹیں گے، دل تو پھٹ گئے ہیں
http://ejang.jang.com.pk/9-1-2010/pic.asp?picname=01_02.gif
@canada1,shut up or put up.give prove otherwise get lost.the u tube u r talking about,cj has seen many time,all that videos r fr sick unpatriotic people like u.ur head is so rotten filled with hate,i,ve never seen a single positive statement fr u.
hasankhan said:
@canada1,shut up or put up.give prove otherwise get lost.the u tube u r talking about,cj has seen many time,all that videos r fr sick unpatriotic people like u.ur head is so rotten filled with hate,i,ve never seen a single positive statement fr u.
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حسن خان آپ تو بابر ا ایوان سے بھی زیادہ دفعہ کر لیتے ہیں زرداری کا.کم از کم مہ رمضان میں ہی ایسے چور کی وکالت سے پرہیز کریں.
@hasankhan said:
canada1,shut up or put up.give prove otherwise get lost.the u tube u r talking about,cj has seen many time,all that videos r fr sick unpatriotic people like u.ur head is so rotten filled with hate,i,ve never seen a single positive statement fr u.
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Are you high on something? You shouldn’t be doing this, atleast in the month of Ramadhan
hasankhan said:
@canada1,shut up or put up.give prove otherwise get lost.the u tube u r talking about,cj has seen many time,all that videos r fr sick unpatriotic people like u.ur head is so rotten filled with hate,i,ve never seen a single positive statement fr u.
@
Is there any positive sitauation in Pakistan since 3 years???????
People like u are the biggest problem of Pakistan, who are supporting corruption for the sake of minor benifits.Stop praising this corruption king.
Formula to make every one happy.
Zardari, Rehman Malik, Babar Awan and the Gen Kayani are having an ariel view of flooded areas in a Air force plane. Zardari looks out the window and says, “You know, I bet I could drop a Rs10,000 Cheque out the window and make one person very happy!” Rehman Malik comments, “Yes, but I could drop ten Rs1000 notes out the window, and make ten people very happy.” Babar Awan says, “True, but I could drop one hundred Rs100 notes out the window, and make one hundred people very happy. Gen Kayani responds, “Big deal! I could drop all of you out the window, and make the whole country happy!”
hasankhan said
حسن بھای جان ایک دفہہ ميں نے پڑا تھا کہ آپ گجرات کے ھيں ؛بھای صاحب آپ ذرا بتايں گے کہ کس گاوں کے رہنے والے ھيں ؛کیونکہ ميں سمجتا ھوں کہ آپ ایک بہادر آدمی ھيں ؛آپ سے آیک ملاقات ہی کرليں ؛کیا خیال ھے ؛
آپ سب لوگ باوا جی کو صدايں دے رھے ھيں ؛باوا جی بھاگنے والوں سے نہيں ھيں ؛خدا خیر کرے کوی مسلہ نہ بن گیا ھو ؛
آگر کسی دوست کی بات ہوی ھو تو بتايں
ConcernedAmericanPak said
سرکار آپ کو خدا کا واسطہ آپ بہت آچھا لکھنے والے ھيں ؛لیکن اپ تھوڑا شاٹ کٹ لکھا کريں ؛آپ کے لکھنے کا کیا فدہدہ آگر کوی ّپڑے ہئ نہیں
باوا جی میری دعا ھے کہ آپ ٹھیک ھوں ؛باقی تو چلتا ھی رہتا ھے؛
@saleem raza,i m fr lala musa,kareempura.u can see me any time,no problem.we must discourge sick people giving nonsence comments.we can highlite the problems,give new ideas and solutions.we cannt serve pakistan better just trageting one person.
hasankhan said
i m fr lala musa,kareempura.u can see me any time,no problem.we must discourge sick people giving nonsence comments
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Thx for the information about your background. Now I got your actual problem.You are paid propaganda Secratory of Phaki Zaman Qaira.Doin great job for right **ll of corruption king.Lala Musa a fertile pice of land of Human Trificking agents ,I am sure you r not one of them beacuse you have a permanent job sing a Zardari song day n night.
shahid masood’s fight against zardari is very important, we should support him in this
@ConcernedAmerican”Pak”
Not that your verbose nitpicking are worth my responce but I ought to remind you that you are a person who abandoned this country and its citizenship and you have no write to assume who is criminal minded or not. I really don’t know who you think you are. Anyway, here’s a reminder of who you really are. You took the following oath of allegiance to the United States of America.
“I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God.”
Another thing, I admit that I’m no law expert and the next time I cannot find something written explicitly in the constitution, I’ll make sure to consult a proper law expert about it instead of being wrongfully accused of being a lowlife and dishonest person by an American citizen who abandoned this country and thrives on using derogatory adjectives for others without knowing their true intentions.
If your so honest and brave, why don’t you publicly speak out against the TSA full body scans in your country?
@canada1&mujtaba,i am 200% agree with you,keep up good work on this forum and being a honest in month of ramadan and Allah may bless you in this blessed month.Wanshington post said today donation level is so low bacause of corrupt pakistani govt.but same time post said we have to help in goods not in money,shame on pakistani goverment?have you noticed Dr.Shahid wants to put his words in guest’s mouth?WOW be patient my dear?
@ConcernedAmerican(whatever)
In your post addressed to ‘hairpin’, you copied and pasted not only from the constitution of Pakistan but also from the common law section of Wikipedia. Anyway, I thought that plagiarism means to cite a text without paying acknowledgment to the source. So much for the ethics of writing.
Now before I’m accused of spreading confusion on this forum as well as being a lowlife and undereducated person who doesn’t know anything about the constitution, I would like everyone to research the checkered political and constitutional history of Pakistan themselves and verify that it is the common law Doctrine of Necessity (stare decisis) which gave legitimacy to Military dictators and martial laws by subverting the constitutions of each era. This first began with the decision by the Federal Court under Justice Muhammad Munir in the Federation of Pakistan vs Maulvi Tamizuddin Khan case (Source Wikipedia). There was also a decision by the Supreme Court on 31 July 2009, which I acknowledge I am not sure about, but you can check if they overturned this precedence or not.
Furthermore, it is these very military governments which gave prominence to people like Bhutto and Nawaz Sharif as well as being partially responsible for the country’s dismemberment and other problems. If the Supreme Court invokes the army it will be extra-constitutional by my basic understanding which could be wrong, but my intention is not to confuse anyone as alleged by someone.
@hairpin
My abusive language was response to your previous allegation and verbal jabs at me. “(Note: I simply cannot write ‘Pak’ since I’m convinced it its an insult to Paksitan to have this abbreviation affixed ‘ConcernedAmerican’ this way just like in the acronym ‘AfPak’.)”
http://pkpolitics.com/2010/08/30/views-on-news-30-august-2010/
But I have changed my mind about you this time, you sound like a reasonable person, so I will treat you like one. My nationality does not change the fact that I was born in Pakistan and have a family history of three thousand years from my fathers side, planted in Punjab. I write about the war crimes and unjust behavior of the American war machine with much more force and with all my written abilities on American sites and have been banned from a lot of those sites.
I have been banned from the PTI forum, after their moderator’s request to join them and than by the request of Imran Khan fan club, I have been banned. PKP youngsters have deleted a lot of my martial because of the harsh language and political differences and wrote me once to stop writing on this site and upon my response they changed their mind, so no one really likes me 100%.
I have been called names by many on this site and eventually they understood me and became more tolerant towards me and some even friends, like Bawa.
I have been offered to write for money several times, but due to my personal integrity and personality of a rabble, no one can buy me or my soul and conscience for a price tag, I write for free and say what I feel, not what the other people want to hear. No one is my role model accept my own conscience and being, I am inspired by people. I am a leader, not a follower, a philosopher more than an intellectual, a peasant by heart, more than an elite.
I believe in justice for all, not only for Muslims or Pakistanis. I have published the oath few times before and will never betray my country USA, but will always speak the truth. If you feel that American Pakistanis are some kind of cowards, than do not accept the money we send to Pakistan and stop your red carpet treatments of all the Americans in Pakistan, even the lowest level white trash. I feel that my job is to be on the side of truth and justice, not on the side of only Pakistan or USA.
My dear, my company use to charge $275 per hour and expenses for my consulting services to the fortune 500 and 100 companies all around the USA, for my ability to analyze and learn on the go.I am giving my services to Pakistan for the sake of my love for the poor people of Pakistan for free of cost and taking all kind of abuse and insults along with it. I have no ego problems or superiority complex, but have a high IQ and a very vibrant brain, have been tested and been graded 198 IQ.
I consider myself a student till the day I die, not a master blaster. So any insulates by you will not change the fact, how I feel about myself. I consider myself a good friend, a good husband and a good father and a decent human being with an altitude, which I need to work on. My tragedy is my health, otherwise I would come to Pakistan and be killed or arrested by now. I hope that you got to know me a little, other than that you are entitled to your opinion.
s/b….with an attitude, not altitude:)
DR SHAHID HAS GONE MAD, WHATS WRONG WITH HIM? HE IS AFTER ZARDARI AND THATS IT. IN MUSH ERA HE WAS AFTER MUSH AND NOW HE GOT ZARDARI.
QUESTIONS MOSTLY ASKED BY SHAHID
WHAT WILL HAPPEN??
HOW CAN WE SACK ZARDARI?
HOW CAN WE HANG ZARDARI?
HOW CAN WE SHOOT ZARDARI?
PLZZ MR EX JUDGE TELL ME WHAT LAW SAYS BOU ZARDARI??
PLZZ MR EX FEDERAL MINISTER TELL ME WHAT CAN WE DO WITH ZARDARI??
DR SHAHID IS A SICK GUY, NOW HE CALLS FORMER MINISTERS OF MUSH GOVERNMENT AND DO BAKWAAS AND WASTE TIME OF ENTIRE NATION. WE ALL KNOW VERY WELLL HE WAS AFTER THESE MINISTERS IN MUSH REGIME AND NOW HE IS TRYING TO CREATE A MESSS WITH SAME PPL.
THIS SAME DR SUPPORTED PPP AND ZARDARI N CALLED HIMSELF HIS FRIEND ONCE, I AM NOT SAYING THAT THIS GOVT IS GOOD AND ZARDARI IS THE BEST BUT WE PPL VOTED FOR THEM AND CHOSE THEM AS OUR RULERS, NOW WE ARE SAYING THAT THEY R CORRUPT N BLABLAAAAAAAAA, I WANA ASK FROM U ALL THAT WE KNEW THIS FROM THE VERY FIRST DAY DAT PPP N PML N ARE CORRUPT, THEY DID CORRUPTION PREVIOUSLY, BUT WE GV THEM CHANCE AGAIN, N DR SHAHID SUPPORTED PPP A LOT, NOW WHT HE WANT???
NO DOUBT DR SHAHID HAS AGENDA, I AM WATCHING HIM FOR THE LAST 5 YEARS, HE IS BUSY WID SWITCHIN TV CHANNELS N MAKIN MONEY N HE TALKS ONLY BULLSHIT NOW.
WHAT BOU NRO?
@muhammad adnan said:
shahid masoood is a complete idiot….
oohhhhh! getting personal………………..
@coolmaster420
My dear, I appreciate your kind words, and as for as the detailed comment is concerned, most of the time the devil is in the detail, read as much as you can, you may learn something.
I was asked by the PKP youngsters, that why I repeat my disgusts about the Pakistani ethnic and family run political mafias over and over? I should tell you why.
When an ironsmith wants to make a sword out of a chunk of metal, what does he do? He pounds on it repeatedly, at times for days than turns a scrap metal into a masterpiece.
That’s why I like to keep pounding on these people to change them, and once they change, I will move on.
End of the day, do your own due diligence, don’t just believe what I say or my references , always cross reference them .
End of the day, I am just a mortal and a human full of faults like most of us.
hairpin said:
@ConcernedAmerican(whatever)
In your post addressed to ‘hairpin’, you copied and pasted not only from the constitution of Pakistan but also from the common law section of Wikipedia. Anyway, I thought that plagiarism means to cite a text without paying acknowledgment to the source. So much for the ethics of writing
My dear, Pakistani constitution is not a copyright material and it is for all of the people to read and use, If you think that I should memorize it, its not my job. Your acknowledgment to the source is appreciated, but all these are free information sites and I am not charging anyone or turning it in as a college work, but if you feel that it makes me look bad, than more power to you. The point was to show you the whole picture, most of the time people do not go to the source and look at it. I hope you feel superior and proud of your findings.
@hairpin
hairpin said:
@ConcernedAmerican(whatever)
In your post addressed to ‘hairpin’, you copied and pasted not only from the constitution of Pakistan but also from the common law section of Wikipedia. Anyway, I thought that plagiarism means to cite a text without paying acknowledgment to the source. So much for the ethics of writing
My dear, Pakistani constitution is not a copyright material and it is for all of the people to read and use, If you think that I should memorize it, its not my job. Your acknowledgment to the source is appreciated, but all these are free information sites and I am not charging anyone or turning it in as a college work, but if you feel that it makes me look bad, than more power to you. The point was to show you the whole picture, most of the time people do not go to the source and look at it. I hope you feel superior and proud of your findings. I do not like to pull shit out of my ass and make it the point of my comment.
“Now before I’m accused of spreading confusion on this forum as well as being a lowlife and undereducated person who doesn’t know anything about the constitution”
Read the whole thing my smartass friend or foe….”and if you do know, you are being mischievous and dishonest about it”.
“This first began with the decision by the Federal Court under Justice Muhammad Munir in the Federation of Pakistan vs Maulvi Tamizuddin Khan case (Source Wikipedia). There was also a decision by the Supreme Court on 31 July 2009, which I acknowledge I am not sure about, but you can check if they overturned this precedence or not”.
My dear you have a valid point but again either you are trying to impress me with your ability to point out your source and give me an example of obvious faults of Pakistani judicial system in the past, but my comment is about the current “so far” free judiciary.
You can go as back as Adam and Eve and give examples, it wont make no difference to me. Again my faith and hope is with the current judiciary and their ability to interoperate the law with the spirit of the law and be free and faire in their interpretations.
So far they have shown character, and I can not see or predict the future. An argument on the basses of the wrongs done in fthe past is the same old ridicules argument the PPPP, MQM and PML-N use against each other. You need to grownup and don’t try to mix the apples with the oranges.
@ConcernedAmericanPak
I’ve learned my lesson. You and I are clearly not on the same wavelength. I will never argue with you again because I think that there is nothing to gain from it. If I took any personal swipes then I apologize. I’ve read your criticism about me and perhaps I am unable to express myself properly; therefore I think its best for me not to write on this forum anymore.
that guy from Lalamusa must be related to Manzoor Shah???
@hairpin
Thank you for accepting me as Pakistani.
My dear, I got little carried away due to your attack on my nationality and other little personal stuff, but reading you as an intelligent person with his opinion and his willingness to accept and learn, I feel that you can be a valuable asset to this site. Feel free to criticize and correct me and let me explain myself, if you will. Don’t attack the messenger if you do not like or at times understand the message.
I have been dealing with the paid agents of the current Pakistani Political family and ethnic mafia’s and their propaganda, so at times I like to correct them or challenge them. If you are making honest mistakes in your judgment than I will not address them and let you express yourself, but if you state things out of content and throw blanket falls statements, than I may challenge you and correct you. Don’t take it personal.
Aik hun muslim said:
that guy from Lalamusa must be related to Manzoor Shah???
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yes. he is from there that why he is not a A .genuine ?
I have firm believe that the poorest person in pakistan is Asif Ali Zardari…. his appitite for money is so high that he is willing to burn and kill every one who is coming in his way.He is citizen of USA and want to fly soon back to his palaces and want his son Bilawal Zardari to take his place.
All this darma is very sad and stage by our army General Pervais Musharraf,who is now with his masters in buston USA.
Zardari as person is not having any qualification to be a clark anywhere in the world., no even security guard job,or car wishing person on foot paths …. so the question is who bring him into power ? ? —— The answer is Corrupt Generals of pak- army.
It is a shame that guys like Qazi Anwar now head the association that was once headed by the people like Ali Ahmed Kurd and Aitzaz Ahsan.
@pejamistri
People like Ali Ahmed Kurd and Aitzaz Ahsan are the wolfs in sheep’s clothing, both are opportunists who took part in the lawyers movement on the behest of their paymasters, the PPPP and Bhutto family dynastical mafia and as soon as they got the first chance they back stabbed the lawyers movement.
Aitzaz Ahsan is a criminal who knows everything about the Zardari and BB’s corruption and has been a part and parcel of the criminal enterprise. Zardari mafia knows his weak points and all the millions he made representing one of the biggest crime family of the world, the Bhutto crime mob, and he is compromised and under the obligation of his political criminal enterprise.
He never leaves the PPPP, even when he was mistreated for by Asif Ali Madari, but due to his personal involvement with the Bhutto crime family and being their representative and beneficiary he kept his mouth shut and still is with them.
Ali Ahmed Kurd has show his colors as a PPPP beneficiary and sold his soul and cashed out his notoriety for the money and has become a political midget who looked like a giant under the sunshine of the honorable chief justice of Pakistan, once he got out of the sunshine, his shadow shrunk into his real self and he showed up like a mental and physical midget as he is.
Qazi Anwar has not been declared the fifth smartest person by the American “stink tanks” run by the neo-Satans like Aitzaz Ahsan, who very smartly sold his soul and made the lawyers movement irrelevant by the instruction of his paymasters, the American toddies’ and literally poodles and subservient slaves, the President and the Prime Mistress of Pakistan.
Mr Qazi Anwar is an honorable and independent person with integrity and self respect, unlike these two legal whores who will sell their services to the highest bidder,Asif Ali Madari, and bilawal the metro sexual scum bag a son of a criminal, traitor, international money launderer, despicable human, a possible murderer of their old paymaster, the BB, psychopath and a human cancer for Pakistan and will work for the best interest of their own on the expense of the nation of Pakistan.
Under the current political circumstances, the Americans still have some card under their sleeves to win this Pakistan political poker game and one of the cards they may still use to save the PPPP is Aitzaz Ahsan the other sold-out and most compromised person is Nawaz Sharif and the last card is Imran Khan. ANP, MQM and Money Mullahs are their to be had and already their boys. Army chief is their hand picked boy, so now the time will tell, which card will they show and which will be the wild card. Just wait and see.
salam
@ConcernedamericanPak
the thing is, u made a point that if there is so much hatred in pak against US, then we shouldn’t accept aid from them or their officials shouldn’t be given that much of protocol. i think u addressed this particular thing on a wrong forum bcoz no pakistani govt. official will read ur comment here to take ur advice as its not ppl who take aid or grant from US neither is that aid consumed on welfare of Pakistani ppl. secondly whatever US pays to Pak for fight against terror are just peanuts. the thing to be understood is, american aid is not the requirement or need of Pakistani ppl rather Pakistan is the need of america for it’s presence in afghanistan.
Pakistan is in driving seat in this so called war against terror, which unfortunately has ruined the country but our sold out rulers don’t have the guts to cash their importance in the whole scenario.
Another thing with due apology, I would like to say that no matter how much the person is capable or competent, if he or she suffers from self praising or self idealism sort of thing then that is no good by any means. I am talking in general.
May ALLAH bless Pakistan and Pakistanis
@ukpaki1
Waalqum Salam my friend….
I agree with you and you do not need to apologize, you made a very valid point in a very decent way.
I was trying to tell my esteemed friend that I am just as capable as the next person on the same token I also said that all of us also are just humans and are capable of making honest mistakes. I did not mean that Pakistanis should not get help from USA, I was being sarcastic and sort of annoyed.
My point is that Pakistani people or the government can and will never get respect unless or until they become self sufficient and stand on their own feet. My friend it is our obligation and duty to help our families in need in Pakistan, and that is the way it should be.
Overseas Pakistani send at least or more than 15 billion dollars, direct or indirect to Pakistan, which a great majority is sent back by the corrupt politicians, army elites and other corrupt businessmen and government officials back to the West by money laundering and simple theft.
99% of tourist in Pakistan are the overseas Pakistanis visiting their family and friends, and still if one calls them some sort of cowards who left Pakistan than it is shameful and regrettable.
I apologize if I made an impression of self praising or self idealism, it was not my intention, but in the future I will try to be humble and more careful about how I represent myself. I feel that I may have left a bad impression on some people. All what I was trying to say that for the love of Pakistan, I would have worked for free, but due to my poor health I regret the fact that I can not do that.
A quality of a good person is that he or she tells you about your mistakes, so you can learn from them, and I thank you for that.
@ ConcernedAmericanPak
190. Action in aid of Supreme Court.
All executive and judicial authorities through out Pakistan shall act in aid of the Supreme Court.
as i said many interpretations … people are not sure or they are making people confuse about this that … if Army comes under the executive and judicial authorities or not ?
@ ConcernedAmericanPak
do u have any source which describes this ???????
@ ukpaki1 said:
salam
@ConcernedamericanPak
the thing is, u made a point that if there is so much hatred in pak against US, then we shouldn’t accept aid from them or their officials shouldn’t be given that much of protocol
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its the same in US .. they hate us the same way .. so they shouldnt give us aid at first point …
@Mujtaba
“The Supreme Court has the final say on matters of constitutional law, federal law or on matters of mixed federal and provincial competence”.
Pakistan
The Supreme Court has been the apex court for Pakistan since the declaration of the republic in 1956 (previously the Privy Council had that function). The Supreme Court has the final say on matters of constitutional law, federal law or on matters of mixed federal and provincial competence. It can hear appeals on matters of provincial competence only if a matter of a constitutional nature is raised.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supreme_court
@Mujtaba
Even though it is a very complicated issue and there has been no precedence , but my point is that the Supreme Court can do its own interpretation and overcome the loopholes and set a new example for the future. End of the day, the Supreme Court is “Supreme“….
There is yet another reason and no less compelling argument against the proposition. Our constitution does not envisage a situation where the government could conceivably violate or ignore the order of the Supreme Court.
Just as the executive organ is autonomous within its own sphere, so is the judiciary. Interpretation of the constitution and the laws is the exclusive domain of the judiciary.
“Once the Supreme Court gives a judgment, it is not open to any authority to defy or ignore it. While there is room for criticism of the judgments, there is no room for defiance”.
In case of any attempted defiance or disobedience of the judgment, Article 204 and the law framed there under confer sufficient power on the court to punish “any authority or person” who obstructs or interferes with its implementation. It is the obligation of all heads of the departments of the government and other civil servants to execute the directives of the court in letter and spirit.
“In the event of failure, the court can take coercive action against the concerned officer and ensure implementation of its judgment”.
http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-library/dawn/the-newspaper/editorial/implementing-the-judgment-010
Qazi Anwars of this world are the biggest curse on this nation along with their patrons in the shape of Napak army. It is unfortunate that the “waashi mullahs” have again turned their sight on the innocent people of Pakistan instead of Napak army. The Military Mullah alliance is in full swing now…..
@Mujtaba
End of the day, simple police action is required to arrest, even the Prime Minister of Pakistan and the President can be impeached and or disqualified and thus looses his constitutional protection.
pejamistri said:
Qazi Anwars of this world are the biggest curse on this nation along with their patrons in the shape of Napak army. It is unfortunate that the “waashi mullahs” have again turned their sight on the innocent people of Pakistan instead of Napak army. The Military Mullah alliance is in full swing now…..
sounds like hussain haqani …
@Mujtaba
Article 190 – Will it be used?
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SC says Article 190 is mandatory
Those not implementing SC decisions can be punished; SC issues detailed judgment dismissing review petitions in PCO judges case
Wednesday, February 10, 2010
By Tariq Butt & Usman Manzoor
ISLAMABAD: “Article 190 of the Constitution is a mandatory provision under which there is no alternative for the executive but to act in aid of the Supreme Court. Persons identified as responsible for non-implementation of the judgment can be punished by the Supreme Court for contempt for disobedience of its judgment,” the Supreme Court ruled in its detailed judgment, which disallowed several review petitions filed against its July 31, 2009 judgment in the PCO judges case.
The short order in the case disallowing the petitions was issued on Oct 13, 2009 by the 14-member bench headed by Chief Justice Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry, which dismissed the review petitions filed by some PCO judges against the July 31 ruling. The detailed judgment has now been posted on the website of the Supreme Court.
The review petitions, which were disallowed, were filed by former Justices Khurshid Anwar Bhinder, Hasnat Ahmed Khan, Zafar Iqbal Chaudhry, Syed Shabbar Raza Rizvi and others including Syed Sajjad Hussain Shah, Mrs Yasmin Abbasi, Muhammad Ahsan Bhoon, Anwar-ul-Haq Pannu, Syed Hamid Ali Shah, Barrister Jahanzeb Rahim and Syed Zulfiqar Ali Bokhari. It is worth mentioning that not all the PCO and Dogar recommended judges had filed the review petitions.
Justice Javed Iqbal wrote the main judgment (21,127 words) while Justice Sardar Muhammad Raza Khan dissented with it and came out with his own note (6,888 words). Justice Ch Ijaz Ahmad and Justice Rehmat Hussain Jafferi consented to the judgment but also wrote their additional notes containing 338 words and 1,123 words respectively.
The Supreme Court ruled that persons identified as responsible for non-implementation of a judgment can be punished by the Supreme Court for contempt for disobedience of its verdict and it is mandatory that all executive and judicial authorities throughout Pakistan shall act in aid of the Supreme Court under Article 190 of the Constitution.
Although the review petition pertains to the issue of judges’ appointment during Dogar’s tenure, this detailed judgment has an important relevance to the apex court’s ruling on NRO that still remains unimplemented.
If read in that context, the SC interpretation of Article 190 in this judgment would be applicable in the NRO decision which despite the lapse of several weeks is yet to be implemented by the executive.
Besides other directions in the NRO case the SC had unambiguously ordered the executive to immediately write to the Swiss authorities to revive the cases and other investigations as they stood on October 4, 2007. According to this detailed judgment the Supreme Court can punish those who are not implementing the decision on NRO.
While writing the detailed judgment of review petition by PCO judges, Justice Javed Iqbal penned down, “According to Mr Wasim Sajjad, learned Sr ASC, pursuant to acceptance of C.P. No.8 of 2009 the petitioners have been declared not to be Judges and soon after the judgment impugned the petitioners in Civil Miscellaneous Application No.2745 of 2009 and the other persons falling in the second category were removed from their offices by means of Notification No. F.12(4)/2007-A.II-(Vol.II)(d) dated 2.8.2009.”
“We have considered this argument advanced by learned counsel but find little force to commend it. Firstly, it is to be noted that the removal of the petitioners from the office being occupied by them was a direct consequence of the finding that the actions of General (Retd) Pervez Musharraf taken on 3.11.2007 were void ab initio and secondly that the Notifications of those petitioners who were appointed Judges of the High Courts between 3.11.2007 and 23.3.2009 had not been issued after “consultation” with the Chief Justice of Pakistan as mandated by Article 193 of the Constitution.”
“Where the Supreme Court deliberately and with the intention of settling the law, pronounces upon a question, such pronouncement is the law declared by the Supreme Court within the meaning of this article and is binding on all Courts in Pakistan. It cannot be treated as mere obiter dictam”.
Referring to its July 31 verdict, the Supreme Court said it was the first instance of the apex court stating in a categorical, loud and abundantly clear manner that military interventions are illegal and will hardly find any colluder in future within the judiciary, another important detailed judgment says.
In fact, the judgment impugned has been considered in Pakistan as well as at global level as a triumph of democratic principles and a stinging negation of the dictatorship, the detailed decision said.
It said the July 31 verdict provides much needed redress as it will render considerable help in blocking the way of adventurers and dictators to creep in easily by taking supra-constitutional steps endorsed, supported and upheld under the garb of the principle of necessity in the past which will never happen again.
“Had our superior judiciary followed the path of non-PCO judges, the course of Pakistan’s political and judicial history would have been different. The verdict has been appreciated by all segments of society for being issue-oriented rather than individual-specific and therefore, no individual including the petitioners” [PCO judges] “should be aggrieved. The judgment impugned would encourage future justices to take the firm stand against usurpers. The judgment impugned being in the supreme national interest hardly needs any justification for review.”
The decision said that the July 31 verdict has the status of conclusiveness and finality and no person can be allowed to challenge it merely for the reason that he was not a party in the case and had not been heard.
Another important observation of the apex court was that in the light of precedents, there remains no doubt that none other than the Chief Justice of Pakistan (CJP and not even an acting CJP, who is a constitutional functionary), can be the consultee in terms of the constitutional provision.
According to the verdict, the most which has been urged by persons notified as judges of this Supreme Court or of the high courts between Nov 11, 2007 and March 23, 2009 on the basis of “consultation” with Abdul Hameed Dogar, purporting to act as CJP, is that he was the de facto chief justice and, therefore, consultation with him was sufficient to fulfil the requirement of Article 193 of the Constitution. It said that this contention is misconceived and wholly without merit. “We need go no further than the case titled Al-Jehad Trust Vs. Federation of Pakistan and others (PLD 1996 SC 324) to debunk the argument.
http://www.defence.pk/forums/national-political-issues/58928-article-190-will-used.html
For the sake of sanctity and the rule of ‘law and order’ in the Country; the Supreme Court Judges ought to check their adopted course of action and they must ensure that court orders are implemented with authority in true letter and spirit.
Article 190 of the Constitution of Pakistan is always there by which Supreme Court may ask all the Executive and Judicial Authorities throughout Pakistan (that Includes Army) to come in aid of Supreme Court, in order to up hold the sanctity of the Courts and to make sure that courts order are obeyed and duly implemented .
http://www.pakspectator.com/what-next-there-is-a-wide-spread-anarchy-lurking/
@ConcernedAmericanPak
It always feels good to reconcile after a bitter argument.
@ ConcernedAmericanPak
my question was .. does Army comes under Article 190 or not …
are they part of executive and/or judiciary … ??
i guess not
@ ConcernedAmericanPak
my question was .. does Army come under Article 190 or not …
are they part of executive and/or judiciary … ??
@Mujtaba
does Army come under Article 190 or not …
are they part of executive and/or judiciary … ??
Yes, I hope so, SC could nuke Asif Ali Madari….
The National Command Authority (NCA) of Pakistan is the Pakistani organisation responsible for policy formulation and the exercise of employment and development control over all strategic nuclear forces and “strategic organizations”. “It is also a military-controlled organization of Pakistan”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan_National_Command_Authority
yes
few days back I heard someone form army saying “army can be called to help supreme court and general jahangir karamat set a wrong examlpe by directing the request of justice sajjad ali shah to ministry of defence”
point is that at that army decided to side with the govt,may be this time they go opposite
@ Canada1
I like your formula of making everyone happy!
@ Tornado
we have to see things in the proper perspective, time, scenario and details …
the question was if army is not part of executive neither part of judiciary then how it lies in A-190 – {that is about the details}
and if it does … then if SC calls it would it come or nor .. the answer is {time} .. at this time … if current CJP asks .. and the first assumption is true .. army would most likely come to help SC … willingly or not …
good joke
kiyani will drop them…
the person who was the broker to bring them in power…now took the extension from them…will drop them
good joke
the day pco cj will call the army will be his las day in the office.any way day dreaming is not bad thing.
salam
@ConcernedAmericanPak
yes u r really concerned pakistani. well dear brother i was not point at u rahter i was talking in general. u made a good point about overseas pakistanis. they r very patriotic ppl and yes they r contributing to the pakistan’s economy.
whenever any issue arises and in any case even pakistani community here in london express their deep concern and they r well wishers of pakistan but most of the ppl here r not satisfied with the govt. and i had a word with few students and i was amazed that they want to return to pakistan but they said pakistan’s law and order situation will never improve in zardari’s rule and they r also expecting and waiting for a good ruler to come.
I also feel sorry when local goras and other communities like sikhs and arabs here curse our pak govt. they did that when zardari toured UK.
brother label of overseas pakistani doesn’t make us lesser pakistani by any means and I really appreciate u for ur comments and feelings about Pakistan.
May ALLAH bless Pakistan and Pakistanis.
@hasankhan said:
@canada1,shut up or put up.give prove otherwise get lost.the u tube u r talking about,cj has seen many time,all that videos r fr sick unpatriotic people like u.ur head is so rotten filled with hate,i,ve never seen a single positive statement fr u.
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Hassan khan rocking .aap in logon ky liya akaily hi kafi hein.
weisey mein yeh 3 Idiots(Qazi Anwer,Dr shahid,Asad durani) film nahi dekhney wala .
@hasankhan said:
@canada1,shut up or put up.give prove otherwise get lost.the u tube u r talking about,cj has seen many time,all that videos r fr sick unpatriotic people like u.ur head is so rotten filled with hate,i,ve never seen a single positive statement fr u.
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tameez se baat ker baitay ….
agar tujhay ghlazat se aur duniya ki ghaleez tareen makhlooq yani zardari se itna piar hai tu apni bekwas apnay tek rekh … aur cheif justice ka naam apni napak zabaan se na lia ker .. teri zaban is laaiq ahin ke un ka pak nqaam bhi terey jaisay genday insaan ki zuban per aye … tu bhuto jaisay madaari aur zardari jaisay chor se ishq ker .. yeh tujhay kisi ki bed dua hai .. pehlay hi terey haal itna bura hai aur kia ho ga
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