October 28, 2011

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Rally of PMLN and speech of Shahbaz Sharif at Lahore.

31 Comments

  1. planet372 says:

    Anyone can do such a rally in his home city when he is in power. I am sure 90% of these people who came will vote against PML-N when time come. PML-N can not bring 500 people in Peshawar, Karachi or Islamabad.

    MQM can do a bigger rally than this in Karachi.

  2. planet372 says:

    paktech said:
    PMLN have done bigger rallies when they were not even in power. Public supports them and results will be in elections.

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    Ofcourse they could do in the past. but in last 4 years they have been fully exposed. Now without power they are zero. Doing dramas of friendly opposition. This rally is another drama, infact they do not care about people they only want their turn thats why doing nora kushti with PPP and fooling people to get votes. Zardari is brother of Nawaz Sharif.

  3. short life endless plans says:

    @planet372
    This is why PTI fan club is not taken seriously by any one serious. PMLN is a major political party and its not going to roll over as PTI thinks it will and Do number Khan is not going to gain popularity over night.

    YOU can say all what you like but remember this forum will become a night mare for PTI fan club when Do number party won’t even reach double figures in seats in the upcoming election.

  4. lahoriraja says:

    The Pml-N the true lion of Pakistan is finally awake and ready to get rid of this Zardari and company.
    I disagree with Shahbaz Sharif when he called Zardari Madari he should call him fox as Zardari is so cunning and look at khawaja ka gawah dadoo i am refering this to British citizen Altaf ruaway dawn. Altaf why are you so darpook……… have some decency rather speaking on behalf of your Madari friend have some courage to come Pakistan and face the music.
    Dont forget Altaf aka drama queen that it was Sharif family who let you do politics in Punjab despite the facts your underwear friend Chaudhary Jahil Elahi and Shujaat never let you in Punjab.

    PML-N should bring out Zardari
    mental illness dimentia documents on media which he produced back in the court of london and switzerland to prevent from apprearing in the court.
    Shehbaz Sharif You are so brave and you are the true voice of Pakistan.
    We all Pakistani should be ashamed we elected a shameless Zardari as President of Pakistan. He is sitting probably on the same Chair as Muhammad Ali Jinnah. Shame on all of us.

  5. lahoriraja says:

    The Pml-N the true lion of Pakistan is finally awake and ready to kill fox Zardari and his monkey men.
    I disagree with Shahbaz Sharif when he called Zardari he should call him fox as Zardari is so cunning and look at khawaja ka gawah dadoo i am refering this to British citizen Altaf ruaway dawn. Altaf why are you so cowar……… have some decency rather speaking on behalf of your Madari friend have some courage to come Pakistan and face the music.
    Dont forget Altaf aka drama queen that it was Sharif family who let you do politics in Punjab despite the facts your underwear friend Chaudhary Jahil Elahi and Shujaat never let you in Punjab.

  6. lahoriraja says:

    I disagree with Shahbaz Sharif when he called Zardari madariii he should call him fox as Zardari is so cunning and look at this Altaf massi British citizen Altaf ruaway dawn. Altaf why are you so cowardddd……… have some decency rather speaking on behalf of your zadarifriend have some courage to come Pakistan and face the music.

  7. lahoriraja says:

    PML-N should bring out Zardari
    mental illness dimentia documents on media which he produced back in the court of london and switzerland to prevent from apprearing in the court.
    Shehbaz Sharif You are so brave and you are the true voice of Pakistan.
    We all Pakistani should be ashamed we elected a shameless Zardari as President of Pakistan. He is sitting probably on the same Chair as Muhammad Ali Jinnah. Shame on all of us.

  8. KAWA says:

    Impressive! Seeing this crowd in Lahore, I guarantee that PTI cannot put any dent on PML popularity in Punjab. People on this forum over speculate.

    Imran would be a great leader for Pakistan but his naivete of politics would end up giving us Zardari for the next 5 years. One. has to be smart to pick up battles wisely and one step at a time.

    In contrast to Imran Khan, look at the Don of MQM and his strategy; One, he is playing the Sind card to ensure that he pits Sindhis against Punjabis; Second, he wishes to ensure that Shareef’s never come to power so that Musharraf has a chance to return; Third, once he manages to marginalize PML-N vote by splitting between PTI, he will deal with Zardari and blackmail him (hear Zulfiqar Mirza…)

    As much as Urdu speaking junta and the jiyalas of MQM hate with vengeance the Sindhi’s. Having lived in Karachi or for anyone who has lived in Karachi, one knows that the venom a mongoose has for snake or vice versa has no comparison when it comes to the fury and hate that Urdu speaking population in Karachi has for Sindhis. Yet, Altaf plays his game wisely and his supporters bear the brunt with patience. They understand why…. Any fool realizes that once Nawaz Shareef vote bank is diluting by PTI and PPPP is left on the mercy of Altaf, probably “Brutus” did not stab fast enough in the back of Ceaser than Altaf would to Zardari.

    PPPP and MQM both are banking on the fact that PML-N votes will get divided giving PPPP again a chance to join with MQM to rule for another 5 years. That is their key strategy because they know that without that, they have no chance against PML_N. That is why both MQM and PPPP will not utter a word against PTI for now onwards. Imran is an idiot not to figure this out and plays their game … If so, how can this man play international diplomacy where there are bigger crooks and conspiracies…

    Now to the supporters of PTI on this blog. To answer to you guys, I am probably more of Imran’s supporter than any of you would ever be but I am one who knows when his time would be right to vote for him. In time, I will… guaranteed. Right now, giving 5 more years to Zardari or Altaf is disintegrating Pakistan. I will not become a party to that..

    I feel that those on this blog fighting and supporting PTI are MQM & PPPP wolfs wearing the cloaks of PTI. They are simply playing this game of Imran Khan zindabad AND ACTING AS PTI JIYALAS to confuse and divide the anti PPPP vote bank.

    You can fool someone some of the time but not always.. I have no doubt that anyone who supports PML-N would also be a supporter of Imran Khan because both have the same ideology and works on the popular appeal of anti PPPP..

    NO REAL PML-N SUPPORTER CAN EVER HATE OR BE AGAINST IMRAN AND VICE VERSA. SO WHEN YOU SEE SOMEONE ABUSING PML-N IN SUPPORT OF PTI – “IT SHOULD RAISE A RED FLAG!” If you see condemnation, it will always be a very mild condemnation. In the same way, a real supporter of IK will always never come out abusively strong against NS. It will always be, I wish they could join hands, I wish IK could……… However, those who are set up to portray and act to divide our vote bank (Munafiq’s under cover) will put their thoughts differently. Its so easy to differentiate these guys..

    The difference is to act wisely. Some of us need to learn the wicked tricks from the crook Altaf. At times, one needs to become a crook to deal with crooks… Zardari and Altaf…

  9. aftab says:

    PML-N is so popular and has so much moral courage that even after giving away free food and free bus rides they could not muster more then 10,000 people, and those that did arrive were mainly government employees.

    I am extremely euphoric, not because PTI will win loads of seats but because the the vote bank of PPP-PML-N will be split by PTI and others, which in effect will mean no 2/3 majority or even simple majority for any party.

  10. KAWA says:

    Here’s an example below of what I talked above. “aftab” is either a PPPP or MQM supporter. Now “aftab:” knows fully well that PPPP vote bank WILL NEVER be split by PTI. They have a different ideology and PTI’s ideology does not excite a PPPP jiyala.

    “aftab” is banking on the fact that PML-N vote bank gets split by PTI because of identical ideology of the voters of each. That said, “aftab’s” agenda is what I stated above. Wolf in the cloak of sheep… more likely MQM than PPPP because thats how MQM jiyalas operate… :)

    No offense “aftab”. Just my take…

    aftab said:

    PML-N is so popular and has so much moral courage that even after giving away free food and free bus rides they could not muster more then 10,000 people, and those that did arrive were mainly government employees.

    I am extremely euphoric, not because PTI will win loads of seats but because the the vote bank of PPP-PML-N will be split by PTI and others, which in effect will mean no 2/3 majority or even simple majority for any party.

  11. حاجی بغلول says:

    Taking the path of street confrontation is unwise. One can appreciate the logic that it is impossible to make this administration do anything through the legislative process but the path of street confrontation can play into hands of the establishment.

    PML-N has control of the largest province, 60% of population of the country but their provincial administration has failed in many aspects, one of them is the recent debacle of dengue fever. If Punjab govt was not so focused on fire fighting and power politics, they would have started a comprehensive campaign many months ago.

    We have a chief minister who cannot trust anyone with crucial ministries and even Health and Home Ministry is under him. There is a reason every sensible administration in the world has these departments under separate ministers, because it is hard to control bureaucracy in so many departments by a single human being, no matter how “awesome” that person is. This policy also shows an autocratic tendency in the CM Sha-bhaz which is not a good thing.

    Now it seems PML-N is panicking as it is finding itself under the weight of foolish political decisions in the last 3.5 years. They should have made an alliance with Q long time ago, but now they are forced to lick their own spittle and admit those members even people like Kashmala Tariq (for shame!)

    I believe this strategy will only help one force and that is the adventurous Military establisment which seems poised for another stupid and idiotic round of dictatorship rule in Pakistan while using actions of political parties (PPPP included) as a pretext.

    I have a hunch that Choudhry Nisar has dug another deep hole for his masters once again, and it will all end in tears. Literally!

  12. KAWA says:

    Note: most of “portray aggressive” supporters of PTI on this blog, who continue to harp that PTI will grab PML-N vote bank in Pakistan (mainly Punjab) are actually MQM jiyalas. The easy identification of these guys is that you will never hear a negative word against their lord “Ataf” ever from them (search this blog for their writings and facts will reveal). It will always be a long charge sheet against PPPP & PML-N.

    The MQM rumour mill is in full swing and only motive is to confuse PML-N supporter, who would really be happy whether IK wins or NS wins. In that confusion, we as voters will put our vote on either party based on the euphoria created on blogs or on media. If that happens, these guys would win in their agenda.

    Here is the fact. IK has no chance to take rural votes in Punjab. They have no idea of who he is. It tool 30 years for NS to get recognition in that areas. In the next 10 years when I realize IK has a chance, my vote will be his. Not today.

  13. short life endless plans says:

    @KAWA
    I agree with you on split vote analysis etc. But I don’t agree with you that PTI fan club on this forum are under cover agents from PPP and MQM. This is what most PTI supporters are like. Even if I was to accept what you say, what about IK him self. He uses language against NS that he should be using against Zardari and Kaliya. I’m afraid this is just top down effect in PTI.

    There is another reason why IK is targeting PMLN and that is that some of his advisers are underground JI agents. PMLN has no love for JI and MMA as they all sat in Moshes lap and prolonged his dictatorship and hence are directly responsible for destroying Pakistan. So, IK is being used by these parties through their agents to weaken PMLN but they will not succeed.

    This is why IK is willing to sit with JI and MMA but not PMLN. Whereas, most PMLN voters regard both JI and MMA as Moshes aiders and abettors.

    I for one am not willing to accept JI’s apology for accepting moshes uniformed presidency.

  14. KAWA says:

    @ short life endless plans

    Well stated and you could be right. However I state my case based on from real life experience having met many PTI supporters at fund raisers ( I have personally attended three fund raisers and political gatherings of IK in North America. Most 0f people I met there were doctors, engineer’s, other professionals…).

    I was amazed that around 90% of the people present were also supporters of PML-N and were there mostly put their good money to good use thru the good offices of IK. I have asked many present as to who we should vote for and was surprised that majority stated PML. Asked who they liked; response IK.

    At one of PTI gathering where IK was to speak, I sat on a round table with 11 other participants at a local hotel. All 11 were voters of PML-N. All! Yes, they all would have voted for IK if they were sure that he would win. None of them was.

    Its the same vote bank minus the hate that is reflected on blogs. Hence my assessment..

    short life endless plans said:

    @KAWA
    I agree with you on split vote analysis etc. But I don’t agree with you that PTI fan club on this forum are under cover agents from PPP and MQM. This is what most PTI supporters are like. Even if I was to accept what you say, what about IK him self. He uses language against NS that he should be using against Zardari and Kaliya. I’m afraid this is just top down effect in PTI.

    There is another reason why IK is targeting PMLN and that is that some of his advisers are underground JI agents. PMLN has no love for JI and MMA as they all sat in Moshes lap and prolonged his dictatorship and hence are directly responsible for destroying Pakistan. So, IK is being used by these parties through their agents to weaken PMLN but they will not succeed.

    This is why IK is willing to sit with JI and MMA but not PMLN. Whereas, most PMLN voters regard both JI and MMA as Moshes aiders and abettors.

    I for one am not willing to accept JI’s apology for accepting moshes uniformed presidency.

  15. KAWA says:

    P.S. @short life endless plans

    … That is why I state; Imran would be a great leader for Pakistan but his naivete of politics would end up giving us Zardari for the next 5 years.

    I WISH SOMEBODY COULD TELL HIM THAT. MAYBE NEXT TIME I ATTEND ONE OF HIS GATHERINGS…. :)

    short life endless plans said:

    @KAWA
    ………………………..Even if I was to accept what you say, what about IK him self. He uses language against NS that he should be using against Zardari and Kaliya. I’m afraid this is just top down effect in PTI.

  16. short life endless plans says:

    @KAWA

    Ataul Haq Qasim, a columnist in the Jang, who I don’t happen to like very much for various reasons wrote two articles about a moth ago explaining how PTI members harassed him over the phone continuously after he wrote a few very mild words about IK’s policy. Irony is, he too is a
    khan admirer but PMLN voter for the same reasons that you have stated.

  17. hasankhan says:

    targeting zerdari to get vote is old slogan now.zerdari has given all his powers voluntarily,why still he is being targeted.in his sapeech shabaz dengui did,nt give any solution for any problem.

  18. aftab says:

    @ Kawa

    Before you cast aspersions on persons character you should also provide proofs and not baseless allegations that i am MQM or PPP supporter, which is so far from the truth that pigs might start flying soon. My own family member has been tortured and kidnapped by MQM goons twice, and his apartment was torched back in 90’s and you accuse me of being an MQM supporter, shame on you….

    When people on this website back in March 2008 were all hunky-dory about PML-N and PPP coalition, i was one of the person to say Zardari was a crook and will always be one and that we should not trust this Snake.

    My reason is simple and why PTI will break PPP vote bank is because people have had enough of status quo forces and the so called democracy they sing about all day and everyday about is nothing but just a means for them to make money and remain in power and do ayeshia at the tax payers expense. I mean you would have to be pretty damn stupid to vote PPP after Zardari $crewing this country over, with inflation reaching the sky and our national debt doubling in the three and half years that he has been in power for.

    Having said that i am not member of any party and never have been and i don’t care who gets in power as long as the person at the top is honest, sincere and gets things done, rather the doing mere lip service. If that person happens to be Imran then great, if not i will wait for someone else to fill that agenda for Pakistanis but PML-N will not fill that agenda for sure, you may differ which is your right but they are no option for me and to some extent i can say my family and friends will be voting PTI too.

    Never in 4 and a bit years that i have been using this forum, that somebody has used those words against me like you have, i just wanted to make that point, all praise be to Allah, my heart is clean and i sleep with a clear conscious at night.

  19. KAWA says:

    @ short life endless plans

    Very true. That is exactly the position I find myself in at end up many a times arguing both sides…

    short life endless plans said:

    @KAWA

    Ataul Haq Qasim, a columnist in the Jang, who I don’t happen to like very much for various reasons wrote two articles about a moth ago explaining how PTI members harassed him over the phone continuously after he wrote a few very mild words about IK’s policy. Irony is, he too is a
    khan admirer but PMLN voter for the same reasons that you have stated.

  20. KAWA says:

    @ aftab
    No offense was meant. I just stated what I assessed based on your comments. Your writings reflect a much higher intelligence and I would expect someone like you to understand the basic strategy that both MQM/PPPP is working on? When I do not see that, I assume that you are a MQM or PPPP plant.

    Now to your statement that people being fed up with Zardari, so the vote bank of PPPP would end up going to PTI is simply not going to ever happen. If you beleive that then obviously you have no idea about politics of Pakistan and we have to excuse you for your naivete.

    You do not know PPP jiyalas? You bear scars of MQM atrocities. Do you think MQM supporters would ever vote PTI? or for that matter anyone that is not “Urdu Speaking?”. Never.

    PPP cult is as bad and as someone on this forum continues to refer to PPP supporters as grave worshipers, that they are. PPP will not loose more than 2% of votes (if ever).

    If your direction is followed, my dear :”aftab”, as much as you hate PPP or MQM, they are both in power for the next 5 years and so on and so on..

    I love PTI. Do not get me wrong. I love IK because he is sincere to Pakistan and can bring harmony and clean culture. However, this is not the time. His time will come. The stakes are too high ….

    aftab said:

    @ Kawa

    When people on this website back in March 2008 were all hunky-dory about PML-N and PPP coalition, i was one of the person to say Zardari was a crook and will always be one and that we should not trust this Snake.

  21. KAWA says:

    P.S. @ aftab

    Watch Altaf Hussain jalsa today in favour of Zardari? If you think Urdu speaking population loves Zardari or Altaf loving Zardari, it would be a joke.

    Right now the entire Karachi is laughing inside their homes.. but these are people who are as wicked as their Chief and understand the strategy Don is working on. They will support him as they all know the end game their master is playing…

  22. maverick says:

    Forget the vote split, forget the electoral politics even. Imran prayed live on TV then Strings and Shahzad Roy sang some rocking tunes, including Iqbal’s poetry. This is what we are; Not Kafir because we like to sing and dance and not fundamentalists because we pray to Allah and seek guidance from Quran. People label Pakistanis as either Taliban if we are seen praying and ignorant minority label the enlightened liberals as Kafirs because they love art and music. Imran as well as all of us Pakistanis are not from any of these extremes, we are what we are and that is a balanced nation. Its just unfortunate that this balanced character is not cherished and defended by the so called leaders we have been made to accept by a coallation of colonial powers and our establishment ! The elections we had in 2008 were not fair and free, and we have had to pay a heavy price for that. Its time now that we claim our future back! even if we have to come to streets and CHANGE EVERY THING! I loved the fact that its not Punjabi, Pathan, Mohajir or Sindhi supporting Imran its every sensible person ! I loved Shahzad Roy and Strings from Karachi singing some rocking tunes and hope that what started today will let us become what we need to be and that is a balanced nation who is united in choosing their own leader, One who leads us to the path of unity, faith and discipleine. Harkala Rashaa (Welcome to the movement)!

  23. aftab says:

    @ Kawa

    What do you want PTI to do then….say to it’s voters that don’t vote PTI because it’s indirectly helping the PPP, it just ridiculous!

    I believe the votes of PPP are there for the taking no matter what past voting habits say, and not because that PTI is some Superman but because people are totally and utterly desperate and want a tangible change too and have started realising PTI as alternative to the twin brothers of PPP-PML-N.

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