August 27, 2013
altaf-hussain

Altaf Hussain, the founder and leader of MQM has finally called for Army Operation in Karachi. MQM who always have been haunted by name of “Army Operation” from past 2 decades has finally demanded the operation to end the violence from city.

This demand has come at time when MQM has not joined the government for the first time in almost 3 decades.

62 Comments

  1. M Khan says:

    Haha, teh headline is interesting.
    Look at the reasons and why he is doing this. Politically, sind is divided. PPP in rural and MQM in Urban areas. Now that NS is with him, he can play this card to harass PPP. Lyari has IDPs and military action there means PPP is out of the city completely, that what both MQM and NS want so in commercial sense country will be benefitted.
    Recently NS hinted HongKong status for Gawadar, which makes no sense as it is just a port. Long term teh thinking is to have HongKong Status for Karachi. I know my friends from Lahore will start that it is against PaKistan, but realistically thatw ill help Pakistan a lot. Like China real financial strength is around HongKong.
    Anyway, someone with serious minds liek to shed light on it.

  2. deevav says:

    @
    Mkhan

    You pose wise hwreas when it comes to Karachi, your wisdom does down the drain. A city where every day on an average 10 person are killed in TARGET Killing, where bhatta is collectd by political parties including MQM, PPP, ST and even minor PTI, and business people are transferring their business to other parts of the countries, you are demanding Hong kOng status for it. Are you in your senses?

    Gawader is the most suitable option for setting a duty free setup like Dubai and Hong kong.All the disrurbances in Baluchistan are for the same purpose and also because Pak hass decided to handover Gawader Port to China. This will be a great stretigic advantage as USA was trying to corner China by strengthen India and its Navy to play the role of regional policeman. With Gawader getting a NAval Base for Chinese Navy, this would provide Pakistan with tremendous advantage to Pakistan Navy and to the defense of Pakistan efforts.

    I wish and Pray that Allah SWT gets this done through present govt and then world will Insha Allah see how Pakistan takes off on road to progress.

    Nawaz Sharif has very rightly called it a GAME CHANGER for Pakistan.

    • M Khan says:

      @Deevav,
      You are getting emotional when it comes to Karachi.
      So calm down and see where i am coming from:
      Gawadar:
      Yes it is a Port and nothing more. No one is denying the straategic importance of Gawadar. Thats why Chinese put Billions to get hold of it. There are 2 issues with Gawadar, 1: The unrest in Baluchistan is due to the fact that their resources were being snatched by outsiders for long time. so unless they are on board this will continue. 2nd: is USA and Iran both have interest in it as USA do not want China to be so near to Arabian sea and Iran want its control of its eastern border. So it will take a while to get these sorted out.

      Now HongKong: What is HongKong, it is not just a Port it is teh financial Capital with Banks and Trading compaanies there. It is not just a manufacturing any more.

      Now compare HongKong to any thing in Pakistan , tell me what is closest or will be closest in long run.

      My opinion is if Karachi will get HongKong status, it will solve few issues:
      1: The City will transform into financial Hub and Trading instead of manufacturing as thats what going on now anyway.
      2: The inflow of people into teh city can be checked to control crimes and weapons and mafia. If Army action take place then what those elements will run away and come back later anyway.
      3: City will attract investment that will help the country a lot.

      If someone think with open mind they will come to same conclusion unless they think with Hate of Karachi.

  3. deevav says:

    @
    Mkhan

    Enough has been said about Karachi’s prospects of becoming Hong Kong. With 55 people killed in mere 5 days, where MQM can shutdown the entire city in 15 minutes, where MQM calls for 3 x days strike and paralyses the entire city, where 12 May type incidents have been taking place for long with no avail. So called Leader of the city is living a lavish life in an expensive area of central London and is dependent upon BHATTA collected by his sector incharges from the supporters on gun point, where businessmen are crying from the bhatta khori by MQM and PPP and Sunni Tehreek, where there is a serious thought among the industrialist to shift their capital to other countries or at least to Punjab and KPK, where level of education, civilization, social awareness is at the lowest, how come one can even think of making it like Hoong Kong?

    However, Karachi may be like Rawanda, Mexico, Nepal and other countries where lawlessness has destroyed the whole countries and cities.

    Remember Dubai and Hong Kong were also mere port cities before investment poured in and these became what they are today.

    And Besides note that I am a Karachite living in Karachi for 30 years now Alhamdulillah. Do not let your emotions run high considering me a Lahorite or Punjabi. OK?

    • M Khan says:

      @Deevav,
      So Altaf has offered what NS want for long, Army action so what is teh delay..
      If thats the solution lets do it and get over.
      I gave you my thought process, you may not have to agree . I born in Karachi and i have no where to go, so lets not bring that issue.
      If you think Karachi will become Rawanda, i think your Hate is only because NS didn;t win here.
      As for Dubai Port, you do not have all facts. Port does not bring the investment unless there are necessary ingredients also in place. Who will bring Banks and other head quarters to Gawadar, unless you willl have population and educated personals available. In Dubai case they import all but that is due to Oil money too. In HongKoong, British colony put emphasis to education and facilitated the banking and otehr sector. In 1960s Hongkong was famous for Toys and other small industry then it deevelop to big Bankinga nd Trading place. For Gawadar, nothing to that is close. Unless you move a big population there and that is tough given the Baluch resentment ..
      Karachi on other hand has all teh ingredients…
      It need vision and hope someone will think outside teh Box.

  4. deevav says:

    @
    mkhan
    You and your Don Altaf want army in Karachi. PMLN has already rejected the idea.

    We only want law enforcement in Karachi and arrest of target killers of MQM and PPP.

    And by the way who said military action should be taken?

    You make asumptions quite fast on your own thats why always have a tinted opinion.

  5. M Khan says:

    @Deevav,
    You want me to get your postings b4 and also NS speech when he visited Karachi befire election. Everyone at that time was making noise that there must be a tough action . If that is not Army action then what? Rangers are in Karachi for long time and still nothing happened. Mr. CJ keep having hearings and so far nothing.
    Now that NS is asked to do what he is asking for , he is chicken out.
    I said long time ago military action is not the answer. But if you want do it.
    U said u want Law enforcement, who will do that> Can you elaborate.
    Rangers are already there with Police so who will do.

  6. Zahid Naqvi says:

    It has been announced by the Qadiani Centre, from Morden in South London that Mirza Masroor Ahmad Qadiani fully supports the views of Altaf Hussain that there should be full Army Action in Karachi.
    As Altaf Hussain is Anti Imran Khan and also Altaf Hussain fully supported Asif Zardari for 5 yrs hence the Qadiani Community fully supports Altaf Hussain.
    Please donate generously to MQM. The donations can be given to any Qadiani Centre wherever you live.

    • M Khan says:

      @Zahid Naqvi
      And you think people will fall for your Propaganda.
      Have a life.
      Do not try to use Religion all the times. For last 65 years too any Thekadar of Religion have destroyed this country.

  7. deevav says:

    @
    Naqvi

    Use religion at times when Mkhan wants it to be used. OK?

    Besides, do you not know that Mkhan is a MQM lover? A supporter of tyrant mush and then fell into the lap of INQELAB of Chanda Khan.

  8. deevav says:

    @
    Mkhan

    Go and see the press conference of Ch. Nisar of yesterday. He has all the answers for you.

    Your problem is that your love for MQM does not go away despite the fact that you are paying bhatta regularly to keep the vultures fed.

    PMLN but CARES and will not leave Karachi on its road to destruction.

    • M Khan says:

      @Deevav,
      yes Ch. Nisar is another Rehman Malik.
      He sad he is NOT for or Against Miltary Action. So much for an interior Minister.
      As I said solution is political and unless someone has guts to tackle it this will continue and with PPP in power it remind me of days when Bhutto tried 1st time using Sindhi language riots.
      Urdu the Janaza hai Zara Dhoom sey Niklay.. From Raees Amrohvi
      Someone may remember that.
      I was very young but vividly remember that.
      Anyway lets see who is right…

  9. M Khan says:

    @Deevav,
    Since you always spread mis information so i am copying what Ch Nisar said so Blogger know .

    Referring to the MQM’s demand for the army to be given control of Karachi, Nisar said that he agreed with their stance that something needed to be done. “The problems of Karachi should be resolved in a calculated and cool manner.”

    Nisar further said that he was neither in favour nor against the deployment of army in Karachi.

    Last para shows how much is different then Rehman Malik….:))

  10. deevav says:

    @
    Mkhan

    So whats wrong with his comments?

    He clearly told the press conference that law and order after 18th amendment is a Provincial subject. Therefore the issue has to be decided by Sind Govt whether or not to carry out a surgical operation that is limited to the unwanted / undesired elements who are involved in target killings and bhatta khori. He also said that Rangers were quite capable to undertake this operation as previously they failed only because of political reasons when political parties would come up to protect their respective target killers etc. He made it very clear that the point to agree upon before any operation is launched in Karachi is that NO POLITICAL interference will be allowed and Rangers will be given a free hand.

    Read carefully once again. Rehamn Malik might have more like you than Ch. Nisar as they have miles in between when it comes to patiotism. Ch Nisar is a patriotic Pakistani besides he is not CORRUPT Alhamdulillah. Wake up.

  11. deevav says:

    @
    Mkhan

    And i saw you comments above regarding ruling of PPP in Sind. Why are you not satisfied? Because MQM and Kala DON is not part of govt?

    They would never be. Constitution does not say that Sind be ruled by election winning party and must take MQM on board.

    Avoid spreading HATE. This is your agenda. You may form a political party on ethnicity basis but you cannot twist arm of winning party to take you on board.

    At leasst you are SURE NOT WELCOME IN FEDERAL GOVT till the time you leave terrorism.

    • M Khan says:

      @Deevav,
      Ist i really advise you to start thinking what you are doing calling people with other ame then thir Islamic name is correct. All these people have Islanic name , whether youlike them or not. Anyway, just my advise as i refer you to the Quranic Ayah where we are tld not to do that.
      Now as for Karachi,
      I said the solution is to think out of the Box. The clear divide in Sind between urban and Rural is theer for long time. Time has come to see what is teh long term solution.
      Look what Ch Nisar said as you quoted:
      He also said that Rangers were quite capable to undertake this operation as previously they failed only because of political reasons when political parties would come up to protect their respective target killers etc. He made it very clear that the point to agree upon before any operation is launched in Karachi is that NO POLITICAL interference will be allowed and Rangers will be given a free hand.

      What is so different now? If it is a Provincial issue then do you think PPP will be serious to solve Lyari issue. He also said that Chief Minister will be the Captain of the operation. WOW, Qaim Ali shah .. a captain who is CM for so long what he can do.
      As for Army action, Altaf is playing Politics, he took the air out of the proposed action by pre empting it and put PPP on back foot.

    • M Khan says:

      @Deevav,
      I said already:
      As I said solution is political and unless someone has guts to tackle it this will continue and with PPP in power it remind me of days when Bhutto tried 1st time using Sindhi language riots.

  12. Zahid Naqvi says:

    In a statement issued from Qadiani Centre, Morden-South London, Mirza Masroor Ahmad Qadiai has cancelled the Lunch to celebrate the defeat of Imran Khan from Peshawar and Mianwali has now been cancelled (which was also to be attended by Altaf Hussain)because the Contempt Case against Imran Khan has now been dropped. This has given a new impetus to Imran Khan as the re-counting has been ordered in the Constituency NA 122 and NA 150. This may give another 2 more seats to Imran Khan. This is not acceptable and Mirza Masroor Ahmad Qadiani also appealed to All Qadianis not to leak any information to London Met Police agaisnt Altaf Hussain. Always remember that Altaf Hussain is friend of Zardari and Friend of Zardari is Friend of Qadianis.

  13. mir.munsif says:

    Salam to all friends. The city of light and prosperity is hijacked by terrorists and militant groups. MQM cant live without power and their source of strength resides in violent politics, otherwise with changing dynamics of Karachi, it cant survive long. Therefore, they see their survival in doing politics of blackmailing, terror, and above all powerful Propaganda. If you minus politics of militancy from MQM, they cant last long, they will be cut to its original size. MQM should not be hasty, must acknowledge the fact that in this 21st century, theyir fascist tactics wont grant them power for long time. Sooner they accept the facts, the better for them and their supporters.

  14. mir.munsif says:

    @M Khan “Bhutto tried 1st time using Sindhi language riots.” U must be living abroad and aint u speaking the language of the land or do u insist that I wont speak language of that country come what may but Urdu. Sindh has Sindhi language, what is wrong in learning the language of land which gave you shelter. Even in EU countries, every country is required to learn one other EU language (except English) to bolster ties with neighboring countries. But look at u ppl’s arrogance, you come to live and share a land with native people of Sindh for good and asking them not to officialize their own language. Are Sindhis Red Indian? Are they your colony. Because of Urdu controversy, Bengladesh became another country.

    I personally think, Pakistan Govt should project and propagate Sindhi, Punjabi, Siraiki, Balochi, Pushtoo etc so that more languages we learn, more we understand eachother better, and more better atmosphere will prevail. Lets all honor our original languages of Pakistan.

    • mkhan1 says:

      mir.munsif
      Thanks for replying at least there is no personal attack from you so we can debate that in civilized way.
      My point was teh events of 70s when a clear divide was created between urban and rural sind. 1st it was in the nameof Language, there was no harm in learning the language and thats what happen after that all schools were taught Sindhi as optional language. But that language issue was used to force a community as second class, quota system was introduced just for the urban cities.
      Now your point that Bangladesh was created due tolnaguage issue, i 100% agree with that as we forced a language on people who had nothing to do with Urdu . Thus making them alien overnight.
      Here in Sind the reality is different, Language card was use for other designs.
      Regarding MQM, this was was the reaction after those 70s actions. They fill in the vaccumm. They are Bad, etc etc. But the question is what is the alternative, who people can trust. PPP? PML N? PTI? JI? ……

    • M Khan says:

      mir.munsif
      Thanks for replying at least there is no personal attack from you so we can debate that in civilized way.
      My point was teh events of 70s when a clear divide was created between urban and rural sind. It was in the name of Language, there was no harm in learning the language and thats what happen after that all schools were taught Sindhi as optional language. But that language issue was used to force a community as second class, quota system was introduced just for the urban cities.
      Now your point that Bangladesh was created due tolnaguage issue, i 100% agree with that as we forced a language on people who had nothing to do with Urdu . Thus making them alien overnight.
      Here in Sind the reality is different, Language card was use for other designs.
      Regarding MQM, this was was the reaction after those 70s actions. They fill in the vaccumm. They are Bad, etc etc. But the question is what is the alternative, who people can trust. PPP? PML N? PTI? JI? ……

  15. Deevav says:

    @
    Mirmunsif

    Having read your comments about MQM and its politics, i tend to agree with you. Yes they are terrorists and they should be handled with iron hands. Yes you are right that people like Mkhan are sick. They are full of HAtE? They have really played very bad with those Sindhies who provided them shelter and looked after them. Ghey did their worst act by supporting MQM when they voted it on the basis of ethnic basis. Hey virtually made the Sindhis red indians in their own land. This is also a fact that Mohajirs did not learn sindhi language and were not loyal to their mentors.

    However, i tend to disagree to your comments that provincial languages should be given priority over Urdu language. Remember Quaid e Azam had-declared Urdu as national language. The wisdom behind this was that it did provide a common platform for all different ethnic nations in Pak. However, sadly the actions of mohajirs has really disappointed all and therefore you have resorted to comments agaiinst Urdu

    @
    Mkhan

    You keep living on HATE and this is how people feel about your behaviour.

    However

    • mkhan1 says:

      @Deevav,
      I do not want to comment on personal attack but the last Para about :
      \
      “However, i tend to disagree to your comments that provincial languages should be given priority over Urdu language. Remember Quaid e Azam had-declared Urdu as national language. The wisdom behind this was that it did provide a common platform for all different ethnic nations in Pak. However, sadly the actions of mohajirs has really disappointed all and therefore you have resorted to comments agaiinst Urdu”

      This is the problem when you donot read History or try not to understand others point of view.
      Recently, i visited Dhaka, Bangladesh. I was curious to know what are their opinion about Pakistan etc. Why it happened.
      I was surprised when they took me to a monument, where they say Liberation battle started> I asked what is this: They mentioned it is the day when Jinnah declare Urdu as National Language. When Bengalis resisted and Fazl Haq stared the language movement.

    • M Khan says:

      @Deevav,
      I do not want to comment on personal attack but the last Para about :
      \
      “However, i tend to disagree to your comments that provincial languages should be given priority over Urdu language. Remember Quaid e Azam had-declared Urdu as national language. The wisdom behind this was that it did provide a common platform for all different ethnic nations in Pak. However, sadly the actions of mohajirs has really disappointed all and therefore you have resorted to comments agaiinst Urdu”

      This is the problem when you donot read History or try not to understand others point of view.
      Recently, i visited Dhaka, Bangladesh. I was curious to know what are their opinion about Pakistan etc. Why it happened.
      I was surprised when they took me to a monument, where they say Liberation battle started> I asked what is this: They mentioned it is the day when Jinnah declare Urdu as National Language. When Bengalis resisted and Fazl Haq stared the language movement.

  16. Zahid Naqvi says:

    MQM is so strong and has such a terryfying impact that today (30 Aug) in the Supreme Court the Director Operations Rangers back tracked from his statement that MQMs Babar Ghouri (when he was Minister of Shipping only 4 months ago) was actually responsible for smuggling of Arms and Ammunition into Karachi.
    There is absolutely No chance that Ganja Sharif can take a stand against Altaf Hussain. MQM has got full backing of Zardari and getting full financial backing of Qadianis in London.
    Also after the false claim of Mohajir Republican Army, this Ganja Putwari Nawaz Sharif has lost all Control, and we should now back up Imran Khan, after the very stupidly the people of Mianwali and Peshawar did not vote for Imran Khan.
    Next week Asif Zardari will leave Islamabad with $65m in his bag and of course with full Guard of Honour.

  17. deevav says:

    @
    Mir

    Trust PTI and Chanda Khan? Are you in your senses? Pakistanis may be FOOLS but they are not MAD. Now even Mianwali and Peshawer have come out of their short love story.

    Go see in KPK what change has been brought by Chnada Khan and company.Stop day dreaming.

    @
    Mkhan

    You say Mohajirs have no where to go. Cannot trust PPP, PMLN, PTI. So keep supporting MQM.

    What a logic? You can go support Congress I or RAW for that matter. Actually your Don ALtaf is in direct contact with RAW. Follow him.

    And you did not reply to my question. May be their is linguistic problem with Karachi walas.

    Do you support Army action in Karachi or not? Simple question. Answer should be simple.

    If you cannot answer, because you do not have any i know, then do not communicate with me. Do not pay attention ot my comments.

    • M Khan says:

      @Deevav,
      1st the 2 questions u asked and i already answered in other thread that you didn;t pay attention.
      I quote that again :

      Now the questions u asked:
      Do you support Army action in Karachi?
      Do you think Chanda Khan is corrupt?

      1: I said many times, learn from History, Army action will not work, it will create animosity and MQM will use Mazloom card. Have to think outside teh box for long term solution.

      2: Can you ask by name ; i do not like or acknowledge anyone calling names.

      Now for the MQM, logic etc. I always maintained that MQM was a reaction to fill in tehe Vacuum created by politicaal parties not paying attention to city need. Wheteher MQM exploited that etc that is different subject.
      Why everone who is against the Govt or your point of view becoime Jews agent, American agent, RAW etc. Can’t we have a discussion where we differ in approach etc.
      You want to kill MQM, go ahead they tried and create a monster after that. As i said solution must be out of teh Box but who has the guts to out forward.

  18. M Khan says:

    @Deevav,
    All i can do is to put forward what it is in my humble opinion. But i can also defend what i put forward I do not use emotions to discuss these.
    So here is what i think is out of box solution.
    Given the fact of Karachi Dynamics. The big urban and rural divide and the influx of population the option is to
    Give special administrative status to Karachi.
    The administration should be indeoendent run by Locally elected member with key position be run by SIND Govt.
    This adminitrative status means entry to Karchi be restricted based on Jobs and meeting residency requiremnet.
    People are free to come andd go but settling down be restrictive.
    Federal Govt will geet share of teh revenue so does the SIND Govt. Thus it is not seens as independent province.
    These are teh parameters..
    I know some of our fellow countryman will jump as if it is somekind of plot for separation. But i already said the administartor will be from SIND who report to SIND GOvT. So it is like an entity within entity. But The rest of teh admisitration will be eleced by locals.
    I can tell youthis will solve the problem , we just need vision to solve it.
    I encourahe you to comment , but please refrain from name calling and tags.

  19. deevav says:

    @
    Mkhan

    Cat is out of the box finally. Why don’t you demand an independent state for your self? “Entry be restricted to Karachi on the basis of availability of jobs”. Huh???

    Do you think i never knew you? I have a very good understanding of the thinking process of a person who is full of hate.

    I would rather demand forllowing steps:-

    1. Arrest all bhatta khor and target killers of MQM and other political parties like PPP, ANP and ST and hang them. If PMLN has to do special legislation for it, then be it.

    2. For banning MQM, a reference should be filed in SCP by President so that it should be thrown out of Pak Politics forever.

    3. Karachi be declared a weapon free zone and this should be strictly enforced.

    4. Karachi be given TAX FREE Period for at least one year so that the old blossoming of industrial hub, could be restored.

    5. Karachi be provided with a bureaucracy that has GOOD reputation and they should be tasked to ensure the governance as a ROLE MODEL for entire Pakistan. The motto should be “serving the people.”

    6. Later same model should be applied to all other districts of Sind and Pakistan.

    7. All the leaders who live in London or abroad and lead political parties in Pakistan should be BANNED till the time they return to Pakistan.

    8. There should be allowed no political parties to be formed on the basis of ethnicity.

    8. Police officials be made accountable for their progress to curb lawlessness and to enforce law in their respective areas of responsibility. ACRs should be initiated on the same performance.

    9. There should be no political control of political parties upon Police and they should be independent authorities answerable to Mayor who should be elected on non party election basis.

    10. Speedy justice be made available for the citizens of Karachi as well as whole country. Only JUSTICE be done and nothing else.
    If we sincerely make efforts and try to bring down the terrorists then we Insha Alllah will succeed.

    • k says:

      ofcourse .we knew from first day that altaf and his voters are loyal to Hindustan.they want to separate Karachi Hyderabad from Pakistan and make it a tufaili riysat of india…the only solution is to do jihad against these hindu,s agents under flag of islam.but you Nawaz shareef and Imran khan followers run from word jihad,without jihad for islam Pakistan cant be saved now.

  20. M Khan says:

    @Deevav,
    If you want Healthy debate then do it, i told you, u with Hate of karachi will not listen.
    Yiu have mind set of superiority and think by force all can be done.
    The think=g u mentioned all these in Books, NS tried in 1992, Bhutto triied in 1995, now we are at a stage where this cuty has so many elements that no one know who control who.
    I donot mind, Kill Altaf, Kill all MQM but will that solve the problem.
    why not ask NS to use bombs thats teh onlt thing left. then resbuild all over from rubbles.
    Thats the thinking you have.
    I just suggest somethinga nd u jump wihtout debating as what is wring with that.
    I said
    This adminitrative status means entry to Karchi be restricted based on Jobs and meeting residency requiremnet.
    People are free to come andd go but settling down be restrictive.

    What is wring with that. No one is restricting people to visit. They can visit bit to settle have to meet Job and business criterea.

    All your pints are good on Paper , Tell your Leader to start implementing and see how many decades will it take .

    If u want to debate my points ,line by line i am available.

    • k says:

      m khan …you people have ethnic racial mentality.you people don’t “own” the land of Sindh….we need another Muhammad bin qasim to free Sindh from sons of raja dahar who have again occupied Sindh!.soon inshalah !

  21. deevav says:

    @
    Mkhan

    You are insane like all MQM terrorists.

    No need to further any argument with you.

    You call for CLOSING entry of others in Karachi and you call yourself as a person of sense?

    Go lie in the HELL called Karachi which you have VOTED for yourself and getting on an average 10 dead bodies per day.

    Actually the misery of you people is that you have become senseless. Till the time the dead body is going to some other house and not yours you do not care.

    Fear Allah when some one near / dear to you is killed as a result of your misdeeds and then you will be crying godforbid.

    • M Khan says:

      @Deevav,
      I was trying to engage in healthy discussion not your curses.
      The problem is you only think one way and put Tags on others so that you can run away and donot debate as you have no answer to the points.
      The Only point you so far angry is restriction on Karachi. I explained that new people cannot settle in Karachi unless they have job offer or have business set up. I also said , everone will be free to visit Karachi .
      The reason i gave behind is the inflow of population from other part and that also bring criminal element and weapons. There has to be a way to limit that.
      You tell me how to do that.
      Why only Blame one party for that.
      Tell me your idea as how to limit this.
      Your all 9 points are not new, most will not work because force is never be the answer. You have examples of that in History.
      The mentality of coquering by force will not work.
      Just calm down, disvuss just oen point at a time
      i.e. How you can limit inflow of peopole in the city.

  22. deevav says:

    @
    Mkhan

    Is’nt it CRAZY enough to even think that for people of Pakistan, the doors to Karachi shall be closed. And if they get a job, then they would be able to visit Karachi. You are MENTALLY sick and you need to be TAUGHT a lesson by Allah soon. Else you will die of our in built HATE.
    Just HOLD ON and remember that if Mush your godfather had not dislodged govt of the people in 1999, MQM had already died its own death.

    Tyrant mush picked it up from dust bin of the history and used it like tissue paper. He relied heavily on MQM and its crazy supporters and they remain loyal to the tyrant throughout his illegal tenure.

    We need another OPERATION NIN KARACHI LIKE WAS CARRIED OUT BY NASEER ULLAH BABER and all the so called terrorists will land to the place they belong.

    And then we will see what happens. In fact saner elements of Karachi, who are not sick at head, do want a CHANGE. They are fed up from continuous butchering of their kids daily @ of 10. They also do not want to live in their own city like hostages.

  23. M Khan says:

    @deevav.

    you said:
    Is’nt it CRAZY enough to even think that for people of Pakistan, the doors to Karachi shall be closed. And if they get a job, then they would be able to visit Karachi. You are MENTALLY sick and you need to be TAUGHT a lesson by Allah soon. Else you will die of our in built HATE.

    Now i copy what i said:

    I explained that new people cannot settle in Karachi unless they have job offer or have business set up. I also said , everone will be free to visit Karachi .

    NOW
    Tell me where i said “the doors to Karachi shall be closed. And if they get a job, then they would be able to visit Karachi.”

    I repeat again what i said “new people cannot settle in Karachi unless they have job offer or have business set up. I also said , everone will be free to visit Karachi .”

    Calm down and read with Glasses.

    I never said people cannot visit Karachi.

    In your anger you write all that and curse me . My intentions are sincere so u can me curse all you want.

    Lets NS start teh operation and i am sure in few weeks or montsh we still be talking what to do?

  24. deevav says:

    @
    You said one and the same thing. Like you goto USA on a visit visa and your entry is restricted for a limited time. You cannot stay there for good if you feel like. Is it so?

    Now you want the same thing for common Pakistanis to apply for their visit to Karachi. You keep quoting Constitution of Pak and role of AG and the suo moto etc. Can you now tell me what are the fundamental rights of a CITIZEN of a country? Our whole constitution revolves around fundamental rights that has precedence upon every other thing. No law can be made that can in any way violate this basic principal of constitution.

    Also tell me from HISTORY ( as you are very found of doing this also) which CITY of the world was destroyed because of over population?

    Is over population the cause of Karachi turmoil?
    Do you still want to liberate MQM from being the SOLE CAUSE of all ills of this poor city?

    • M Khan says:

      @Deevav,
      At leqast this time you didnot curse me from start..
      Now to the point of visiting Karachi and settling in Karachi.
      Here is my Analsyis based on which what i said is teh right approach:
      If you want to solve teh problem in Karachi based on alst 20 years or so, you have to stop the supply line of criminals. You have to make sure only legal citizens are migrated here.
      This city is full of so many elements.
      So, the way to do is , limit the settlement of people, anyone can visit Karachi at free will can stay but cannot settle unless he show he has genuine business and a job. Technically, it is possible just need to fine tweak the laws and implementation.
      No ones constitition rights are violated here , they can visit here.
      Your question:
      Can you now tell me what are the fundamental rights of a CITIZEN of a country? Our whole constitution revolves around fundamental rights that has precedence upon every other thing. No law can be made that can in any way violate this basic principal of constitution.

      The coinstitution fundamental rights are still impact, no one is denying anyone to visit , people want to settle, they cab settle, just proof you have either a business taht you associated with or a job.
      This will prevent supply line of criminal elements coming..

      The other point u raised:
      Also tell me from HISTORY ( as you are very found of doing this also) which CITY of the world was destroyed because of over population?

      I didnot said over population was an issue, i said this bring un checked flow of people.

      Last point:
      Is over population the cause of Karachi turmoil?
      Do you still want to liberate MQM from being the SOLE CAUSE of all ills of this poor city?

      Yes ovre population unchecked is the problem.
      You have a fication with MQM, as being cause of all ills. Lets say you kill evey single MQM leadership and those criminals associated with that. You honestly believe that will solve the problem.
      Won’t the other criminals from God Knows from all over will not come and take over and fill the vaccuum.

      Thats why i said , before you act you go afer the supply line, go after tha cause and effect and then act.

  25. deevav says:

    Yes we still will be talking “What to do” if NS failed to tackled MQM and PPP’s terrorists with IRON HANDS like Naseer Ullah Baber did.

    Catch them and KILL THEM AS THEY ARE FITNA AND IT IS WORSE THAN QATAL.

  26. aliimran says:

    میرا نواز شریف اور حکومتی اہل کاروں کو مشورہ ہے کہ اتنا بڑا آپریشن کرنے کی بجاۓ کراچی میں ایم کیو ،اے این پی ،پی پی پی کی ساری قیادت کو پکڑ کر بیچ چوراہے پھانسی دے دیں اگلے دن سارا ملک ٹھیک ہو جاۓ گا

  27. deevav says:

    @
    Mkhan said

    Yes ovre population unchecked is the problem.
    You have a fication with MQM, as being cause of all ills. Lets say you kill evey single MQM leadership and those criminals associated with that. You honestly believe that will solve the problem.

    YES. 100 PERCENT. ALL EVILS WILL VANISH FROM KARACHI.

    Please tell me why should Nawaz Sharif & PMLN worry about Karachi? Did your beloved MQM who is enjoying its rule in Karachi for about 14 years now, do any such thing of trying to restore PEACE in Karachi? Why BHATTA KHORI is on the increase in Karachi? Because Altaf Don needs money to afford the LAVISH living that he is living the posh area of London. Baber Ghouri, Wasim Akhter, Farooq Sattar, Raouf Siddiqui, Wasey Jaleel, etc all are billionaire now with properties in Dubai and USA. This is the transformation from lower middle calss to elite class using CORRUPTION as a tool. This theology has been taught by Don Altaf to his worshipers. If he can survive on BHATTA howcome his worshipers will refrain from corruption?

    Besides, the statement of DG Rangers in SCP about Baber Ghouri’s involvement in container theft case. It seems very true as it was PNSC building which was put on fire by unknown men and he being minister never ordered any inquiry o investigate the issue. Interestingly it was always SUNDAYS when FIRE WOULD MYSTERIOUSLY breakout in PNSC building where he used to SIT.

    MQM is a CANCER for safety and integrity of Pakistan. It has to be removed at all costs. May it be today, the better it is. If it is tomorrow, then it will be after even more destruction.

    @
    BLOGGERS

    I WOULD LIKE TO DRAW THE ATTNETION OF ALL THOSE WHO LOVE PAK WHETHER THEY ARE FROM PTI OR PMLN OR ANY OTHER PARTY OR COMMON CIRIZENS. LOOK AT THE SOLUTION BEING PROPOSED BY MKHAN FOR KARACHI. HE WANTS THAT NO ONE BE ALLOWED TO LIVE IN KARACHI AND ONLY TOSE WHO GET A JOB SHOULD ALLOWED TO STAY. HE WANTS “CHECK” ON ALL PEOPLE OF PAKISTAN, BELONGING TO THER PARTS OF THE COUNTRY COMING TO KARACHI FOR EARNING THEIR LIVELIHOOD.

    THIS IS THE ACTUAL FACE OF THE MQM SUPPORTERS. WHETHER THEY ACCEPT IT OPENLY OR NOT. THEIR THOUGHT PROCESS WILL TELL YOU WHERE HE BELONGS TO. HAVING LIVED IN KARAACHI FOR ABOUT 29 YEARS THIS HAS BEEN MY EXPERIENCE WITH MQM WALAS.

    REMEMBER ALTAF DON USED TO SAY THAT WE CONSIDER ONLY THOSE AS KARACHI WALA WHO DIES AND IS BURIED HERE IN KARACHI. THIS IS THE FITNA THAT MQM AND ITS SUPPORTERS ARE ALL ABOUT. BEWARE OF THEM AND THEIR THOUGHT PROCESS. THEY LIVE HERE AND THEY HATE THIS COUNTRY. THEY EARN HERE AND THEY ARE THANKLESS AND KEEP COMPLAINING.

    THESE TYPE OF PEOPLE ARE TO BE DISCOURAGED IN THE STRONGEST WORDS POSSIBLE WHO CLAIM O HAVE STUDIED ABROAD BUT THIS STUDY HAS NOT BENEFITED THEM. LIKE BOOKS LOADED UPON A DONKEY DOES NOT BENEFIT H\THE ASS.

    • M Khan says:

      @Deevav,
      You are so stupid that i donot believe.
      In your hate u can go that far. I can also use Hatefull language.

      You said Kill all leadership, i say Bismillah. Aliimran says kill, PPP, ANP and MQM and you agree to kill all the leadership of these parties.
      \So that shows your mentality.

      Now next , you said love of Pakistan from PML-N and NS. Thats BS. If thats teh case, why he didn;t spend time and contest on every seat in Karachi. So much for love.. That shows.

      DG also said TTP has space in Karachi, and yiu smartly ignore that because theye are teh oen who will fill in teh vacuumm..

      Next to Bloggers u twisted my solution because u know u cannot debate that.
      BIG CAPITAL LETTER MEANS NOTHING< that is a sign u cannot make an argument.

      anyway here is what i said: (i copy paste it)

      I explained that new people cannot settle in Karachi unless they have job offer or have business set up. I also said , everone will be free to visit Karachi .

      here is what u twisted:

      LOOK AT THE SOLUTION BEING PROPOSED BY MKHAN FOR KARACHI. HE WANTS THAT NO ONE BE ALLOWED TO LIVE IN KARACHI AND ONLY TOSE WHO GET A JOB SHOULD ALLOWED TO STAY. HE WANTS “CHECK” ON ALL PEOPLE OF PAKISTAN, BELONGING TO THER PARTS OF THE COUNTRY COMING TO KARACHI FOR EARNING THEIR LIVELIHOOD.

      Just stick to this and tell me whjere i said no one can come to karachi, all i said if they find job or Business they can settle. Rest cannot.

      The whole idea is to figure out a solution to stop the influx of criminals not to stop comoon people.
      If someone has better solution then let em know we can debate that.

      Please get out of your mind this hate to Kill everyone who cannot agree with you like Deevav and aliimaran, who agree to kill all leadership of PPP, ANP and MQM.

  28. M Khan says:

    @k,
    k says:
    m khan …you people have ethnic racial mentality.you people don’t “own” the land of Sindh….we need another Muhammad bin qasim to free Sindh from sons of raja dahar who have again occupied Sindh!.soon inshalah !

    Br. I miss your posting.

    What you mean you people and who are you to tell me don;t own teh land.
    I born in Karachi, it was not my fault that my parents born in India.
    I have same right on this land as anyone has who born in this country.
    Who you are valling to free this land and from who?
    Are u calling TTP , or NS or someone else. Tell me . and who you want to eliminate.

  29. deevav says:

    @
    Mkhan

    You are mentally sick person.

    What did you write and what did i say? whats the difference? If youhave language problem then its ok.

    Try to read again what you have reproduced and what I have written in CAPITAL.

  30. M Khan says:

    @Deevav,
    Here is i paste again all.
    I explained that new people cannot settle in Karachi unless they have job offer or have business set up. I also said , everone will be free to visit Karachi .

    here is what u twisted:

    LOOK AT THE SOLUTION BEING PROPOSED BY MKHAN FOR KARACHI. HE WANTS THAT NO ONE BE ALLOWED TO LIVE IN KARACHI AND ONLY TOSE WHO GET A JOB SHOULD ALLOWED TO STAY. HE WANTS “CHECK” ON ALL PEOPLE OF PAKISTAN, BELONGING TO THER PARTS OF THE COUNTRY COMING TO KARACHI FOR EARNING THEIR LIVELIHOOD.

    Here you twisted and implying that i donot want anyone to come to Karachi.

    All i said is you can come and visit as much as you like , if you find a job then u can settle here. or if you figure out to set up a Bsuiness then also you cans ettle here permamently.

    So tell me where i am stopping people to come to karachi for earning their livelihood.
    If some one want to go illegal business or criminal they cannot setrle, This is so that legally Govt can get hold of the people.

    Any question or explanation, i can elaborate.

    • BALOCH REBEL says:

      @m khan you are totally correct,it’s not only sindh that has been forced under control of the Punjabi elite/army but KPK and BALCHISTAN above all.

      But things will change and they are changing Balochistan will have its freedom and we will support Karachi’s liberation from the Punjabi yoke.

  31. M Khan says:

    @K i am waiting for your answer.

    M Khan says:
    @k,
    k says:
    m khan …you people have ethnic racial mentality.you people don’t “own” the land of Sindh….we need another Muhammad bin qasim to free Sindh from sons of raja dahar who have again occupied Sindh!.soon inshalah !

    Br. I miss your posting.

    What you mean you people and who are you to tell me don;t own teh land.
    I born in Karachi, it was not my fault that my parents born in India.
    I have same right on this land as anyone has who born in this country.
    Who you are valling to free this land and from who?
    Are u calling TTP , or NS or someone else. Tell me . and who you want to eliminate.

    • M Khan says:

      @Deevav,
      I never condone any such sentiment like Baluch Rebel.
      @BALOCH REBEL

      Where i said about Punjabi, i never ever used that word in any of my posting and i challenged anyone to show me.
      I can blamed the institution or establishment but no ethinicity because to me that is unfair.

      Now Deevav, i was strong in my reaction with @K because he seems to still have this mindset that i do not belong to the land where i am born.

  32. deevav says:

    @
    Mkhan

    Look here is the situation what i am presented with on almost daily basis during my life in Karachi for the last about 30 years.

    Almost all Karachites hate Punjab.
    They directly or indirectly support MQM.
    They are very mean with regards to tolerating other ethnic communities living in Karachi.
    They do not condemn MQM’s killings, bhattakhori and hooliganism etc.
    They were greatly supportive of tyrant mush merely because he showered money upon MQM in billions, a great part of which wqs pocketed by its leaders.

    And this guy BalouchRebel, who must be a Crack Nut, has lined up with you. Why? Because he found a natural ally in you while you were full of complains about things in general in Karachi. So you can get how people make alliances these days. He has spoken as if the Sardars of Baluchistan are from Punjab and they are controlling their lives. Whereas the fact f the matter is that Balouch Sardars are to be blamed for the downward trend in the lives of Balouch people. We support all out poor people of Baluchistan and despite the fact that they have been brutally murdering Punjabis in Baluchistan, we still think that they are supressed people who have been taken advantage of by their own people. Unfortunately they have fallen victim of a GREAT game being played by USA, INDAI and Israel there in Baluchistan but unfortunately again it was a non pnjbai dictator mush who gave it the initial fuel required to spread.

    Now the tyrant has been in custody and hopefully he will be soon tried by court of law under article 6 of the constitution if Allah Willed. However, this is the resolve shown in the National Assembly of Pakistan by a Punjabi PM.

    • M Khan says:

      @Deevav,
      Here is what u said:
      Almost all Karachites hate Punjab.
      They directly or indirectly support MQM.
      They are very mean with regards to tolerating other ethnic communities living in Karachi.
      They do not condemn MQM’s killings, bhattakhori and hooliganism etc.
      They were greatly supportive of tyrant mush merely because he showered money upon MQM in billions, a great part of which wqs pocketed by its leaders.

      The 1st 2 lines are important.

      You do exagerrate when u say almost all Karachites Hate Punjab, i beg to differ. because not all Karachites are Urdu speaking and the figure differ from 40% to 60%. In any case if thats the case then that means something is wring somewhere.
      The 2nd line u say that they directly or in directly support MQM.
      This is the KEY, once someone really analyze it and understand it then a solution will be easier.
      Right now everyone has a mind set that is pre conceived and based on that they try to solve teh issue.

      If you know all support MQM then what is the problem??

      As i have seen many coastal cities in the world , most of them are typical of Karachi, Crimes , Liberals, opposition cities to the ruling party, etc etc.
      Most have no problem with the ruling party if they let the city work independendtly .
      The problem is being golden goose everyone try to control it and with that now things are out of hand. it is a Turf war and survival game.

      DO you still believe with all you said above ( 1st 2 lines) Ranger operaton will solve this ?

  33. deevav says:

    @
    Mkhan

    When I say most of them i mean most of Urdu speaking people.

    Rest nothing is worth replying. However, you did not deny rather accepted the fact that the “so called” educated and decent people (in my mind used to be) all support a party formed on the basis of Bhatta Khori and Bori bund laash and blackmailing. This you tend to agree as it suits your line of argument.

    Would you please also tell me which are the other port cities of teh world where the majority of population created a party on ethnic basis and started a pitch battle with all other ethnic groups in minority? Where there is a mafia of the Political party so formed? Where people are full of hate for other ethnic minorities? Where their leader has asked his supporters (rather followers) to sell their ornaments and buy Kalashnikovs? Where the leader has himself gone abroad in self exile and still leads the party through marathon speeches where so called supporters sit for hours with an indifferent attitude? Where the leader has been always drunk, abusing and asking his worshipers, oh i mean workers to slap and beat the other local leaders in public and then the same workers hold hostage all the media teams which are forced to cover these crazy speeches, till the time they handover all the coverage footings to the workers? Where does all this happen? And if you will not find any example from any other city of the world, please quote me example from within Pakistan. Which is another party that has been alleged to be involved in terrorist activities and people their own voters would never want to trust this party?

    • M Khan says:

      @Deevav,
      1st you agree that all support MQM, and then also u said all hate Punjab etc.

      I always said, do not focus on MQM, look beyond that.

      Here i am going to past the comment possted by SAIT in discussion forum that i fully agree and thats what i was trying to say fo long time:

      here it is from SAIT:

      Root of problems in Karachi go much deeper and further than history of MQM.

      The problem started with shifting of capital to Islamabad without taking care of issue created in Karachi due to move.
      Then there was election between Fatima J. And Ayub, when after the results Urdu speaking were killed because they supported Fatima J.
      Then there was a quota system which negatively impacted people with domicile of Karachi
      Then came ZAB, who created bigger divide between Sindhi speaking and non Sindhi speaking by creating language issue and furthering quota system, which led to language riots, deaths and anger.
      This divide fermented further because Karachiites in general and Urdu speaking felt that their due was being taken away from them.
      This created space for creation of MQM and rest is history.
      Now blame of current situation is not limited Karachiites, Urdu speaking or otherwise, MQM and other parties of Karachi, but it falls on all Pakistanis specially leadership at federal level
      Unless they resolve underlying issue of unfairness felt, Karachi problem will not go away even if they completely wipe out MQM.

  34. deevav says:

    @
    Mkhan

    You may agree to any one on the issue or not, i really do not care.

    If Karchiites have been affected adversely due to quota system, so what? If they became victim of Urdu language riots and faced the revenge of Ayub Khan after supporting Miss Fatima Jinnah, then so what?

    Do not the people of KPK suffer unduly just because FATA people overtake them due to their quota in educational institutions and then in govt jobs? So should they form an ethnic party against the system? Are the people of KPK not suffering from terrorists attacks due to destructive policies of tyrant musharaf? So they should start acting themselves as terrorists? They are great people not suffering from superiority complex like mohajirs do.

    You cannot defend or justify killings and spreading hate on any pretext.

    Did MQM gave you back the lives lost in Ayub’s son’s attack in Karachi?
    Did MQM during its long participation in different govts, could remove the quota system?
    Did the mohajirs stop calling them mohajirs when its their third generation living in Pakistan?
    Who is suffering most at the hands of MQM, mohajirs or not?
    Whose city Karachi is, mohajirs or others?
    Who will suffer if fascist MQM takes to to CIVIL war?
    Would you be happy if God forbid some day some near and dear one of yours dead body is brought to your house, a victim of target killing?
    Would you then keep calling it “FAIR” because MQM has the mendate of people of Karachi?

    Do you know MQM is also called as THAPPA Mafia and therefore wins elections by force?

    Think before its too late.

  35. M Khan says:

    @Deevav,
    It shows your mentality.
    You do not care what other also say.
    Because your mind set is kill all and conquer.

    For that all i can say..

    Double standard is all over, at one place you say we have mandate then on other place say it is not real mandate.
    On one place you say sonmeone lost By-election fair and on other place you still cannot digest.
    This game is being played for long time.
    Because Karachites even do not like MQM but they see others alternative as even worse or not what they thinK can give them any fair chnace.
    So i say, lets agree to Disagree AS YOUR HATE overcome any rational discussion and wait for your leadership ….

  36. deevav says:

    @
    Mkhan

    Who do you think you are trying to fool?

    If you are happy with MQM’s Target killing, bhata khori and extortion activities,
    then why should I care?

    And i ma full of HATE and when you are happy with your own elected party ( so called) which is killing you people, taking bhatta from you, and snatching animal skins on Eid Qurban, and still you are not full of hate?

    did you try to answer the questions i asked?

    NO.

    Because you do not have any answer at all for educated people to digest.

    If I had been full of HATE then mohajirs who are living Punjab and KPK would have been killed and their dead bodies would have been sent to Karachi in return of the killings of innocent Punjabis and Pashtoons killed after MQM gained power in mid nintees.

    Besides, would you care to bother to answer why are the Karachiites have to support a terrorist party? Are not different options available to them?

    PTI did fare well in posh areas of Karachi where reasonably educated and decent lot lives. May be you live in those downtrodden area of the city where the MQM JIN is in full power.

    RIP in your Hell.

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