http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/ Pakistan Politics Discuss Forum en Thu, 23 May 2013 20:50:07 +0000 http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/investment-in-pakistan/page/2#post-323672 Sat, 07 Apr 2012 10:18:24 +0000 Zaheer 323672@http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/ <p>For desperated youth:<br /> <a href="http://e.jang.com.pk/03-25-2012/lahore/pic.asp?picname=09_02.gif" rel="nofollow">http://e.jang.com.pk/03-25-2012/lahore/pic.asp?picname=09_02.gif</a> </p> http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/investment-in-pakistan/page/2#post-323667 Sat, 07 Apr 2012 09:42:34 +0000 Zaheer 323667@http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/ <p>Mr GP;<br /> I have experience of working in different countries as expatriate.I have seen many individuals working abroad,who can not surivive in competetive market of Pakistan.All expatriates are living with some compromises in other countries.However still there is a class of people who do'nt belong to any culture,they can be adopted by any culture easily.However it all depends on personal priorities.Experience of each individual may vary accordingly.<br /> ^Chin o arab hamara,hindostan hamara<br /> wese tu khuda ki sari zamin he apni hai lekan jehda sukh apnai chobarai o na balakh na bukharai.But again i'll say it all depends on personal priorities.Every one has right to stay where he can enjoy complete peace and happiness inside. </p> http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/investment-in-pakistan/page/2#post-323566 Fri, 06 Apr 2012 20:27:06 +0000 Ghost Protocol 323566@http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/ <p>Pakistani ranks 5t in world after Figi,Rawanda,Cameroon and newzeland seraching for immigration.</p> <p><a href="http://www.google.com/insights/search/#q=Immigration&amp;date=today%2012-m&amp;cmpt=q" rel="nofollow">http://www.google.com/insights/search/#q=Immigration&amp;date=today%2012-m&amp;cmpt=q</a></p> <p>Inside Pakistan, Karachi tops the list for Immigration searches followed by Faisalabad, Rawalpindi,Islamabad, Peshawar and Lahore.<br /> <a href="http://www.google.com/insights/search/#q=Immigration&amp;geo=PK&amp;date=today%2012-m&amp;cmpt=q" rel="nofollow">http://www.google.com/insights/search/#q=Immigration&amp;geo=PK&amp;date=today%2012-m&amp;cmpt=q</a> </p> http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/investment-in-pakistan#post-323556 Fri, 06 Apr 2012 19:55:36 +0000 Ghost Protocol 323556@http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/ <p>My friend, living in denial wont help. Perhaps you belong to second category having resources but lacks in skills which is reminding you menial labor jobs abroad. You are forcing me to bring facts known to kindergarten students lets face them<br /> <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DqSdIstx_c&amp;feature=relmfu" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DqSdIstx_c&amp;feature=relmfu</a><br /> 1)Pakistani textile business relocation to Bangladesh<br /> Pakistan Textile Minister Makhdoom Shahabuddin on Tuesday confirmed that the industry in Pakistan is gradually shifting to Bangladesh to seek more profit, while industry leaders argue the relocation was prompted by electricity and gas outages in Pakistan.<br /> <a href="http://gantdaily.com/2012/01/31/pakistan-textile-industry-relocating-to-bangladesh/" rel="nofollow">http://gantdaily.com/2012/01/31/pakistan-textile-industry-relocating-to-bangladesh/</a></p> <p>2)‘Pakistan the worst-hit country by brain drain’<br /> <a href="http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2009%5C07%5C05%5Cstory_5-7-2009_pg5_8" rel="nofollow">http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2009%5C07%5C05%5Cstory_5-7-2009_pg5_8</a> </p> http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/investment-in-pakistan#post-323554 Fri, 06 Apr 2012 19:36:25 +0000 Zaheer 323554@http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/ <p>As per my experience one need to work much harder in Pakistan to excel in a competetive market.I have seen many Pakistani expatriates working in other countries like middle east,etc who fail to deliever competetively in Pakistan.In foreign countries no one may enjoy the same luxuries as he enjoys in his homeland with even lesser income.All expatriates have to do some compromises in other countries. </p> http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/investment-in-pakistan#post-323547 Fri, 06 Apr 2012 18:55:50 +0000 Adonis 323547@http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/ <p>If refusal of Bangladesh cricket or malaysian hockey team to come to Pakistan for "security" reasons by some twisted logic somehow means that Pakistan is unsafe for Pakistani expatriates to return and work, then what about the recent visit of Chinese hockey team, the current visit of British Universities cricket team and the scores of foreign businessman who come to Pakistan every day?</p> <p>Maybe it is strange to comprehend for those who could not succeed in Pakistani working environment because it was not competitive enough and are now successfully engaged in highly competitive menial labor in Europe and North America, but the fact remains that hundreds of thousands of Pakistanis work in Pakistan, make good honest money, live a satisfying life and even visit for leisure the very same European/NA countries.</p> <p>So I am not sure whether to dub your characterization of Pakistanis being either resource-less or skill-less as a case of sour grapes or some sort of psychological need to find a justification for some personal choices. </p> http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/investment-in-pakistan#post-323479 Fri, 06 Apr 2012 13:19:40 +0000 Ghost Protocol 323479@http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/ <p>I mentioned two types, first who dont have resources to go abroad, even driving cab needs certain skill level which can be acquired quite easily if they have resources. 2nd type might have resources but not the skill level which can help them survive in competitive economies from cab driving to running a company.</p> <p>By the way am I living in fools paradise or Even Bangladesh and Malaysia have refused to come to land of opportunity for "Security reasons". </p> http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/investment-in-pakistan#post-323281 Fri, 06 Apr 2012 06:33:20 +0000 Adonis 323281@http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/ <p>"Lets put it hypothetically, if tomorrow, an ad appear in newspapers offering Pakistanis jobs as cab drivers with minimum wage 12$/hr in USA/Canada/UK , what % of Pakistanis would apply for it? "<br /> ---------------------------------------------------------</p> <p>But according to your original "thesis" those who are left in Pakistan do not have skills for these jobs.</p> <p>So you have now changed your opinion? </p> http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/investment-in-pakistan#post-323257 Fri, 06 Apr 2012 06:04:53 +0000 Ghost Protocol 323257@http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/ <p>Did I read about state of Pakistan providing basic necessities to its masses?<br /> Your obsession with Cab drivers or mopping floors indicate some sort of personal experience?<br /> Lets put it hypothetically, if tomorrow, an ad appear in newspapers offering Pakistanis jobs as cab drivers with minimum wage 12$/hr in USA/Canada/UK , what % of Pakistanis would apply for it? </p> http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/investment-in-pakistan#post-323247 Fri, 06 Apr 2012 05:31:58 +0000 Adonis 323247@http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/ <p>Those entrepreneurs who have returned to Pakistan and start businesses, did not necessarily come with a spirit of sacrifice for the homeland.</p> <p>Many of them are astute investors, saw good business opportunities and came back to make better lives for themselves and have succeeded.</p> <p>On the other hand, those who break their back doing menial labor overseas are generally loathe to return back home as they are aware that their "skills set" does not have a high price tag in Pakistan. </p> http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/investment-in-pakistan#post-323246 Fri, 06 Apr 2012 05:27:37 +0000 Adonis 323246@http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/ <p>The money that taxi cabs drivers, or gas station workers or those mopping floors in McDonalds send to their families in Pakistan must be appreciated by their family members. There is nothing wrong with these professions except that when someone calls them "skills to survive in competitive environment", it becomes a bit too ridiculous. </p> http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/investment-in-pakistan#post-323245 Fri, 06 Apr 2012 05:24:24 +0000 Adonis 323245@http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/ <p>"why on earth a lahore based company would claim itself a US based company?"<br /> -------------------------------------------------------------</p> <p>Ever heard the term public listing? The listing requirements at NYSE and NASDAQ are different between US registered and foreign registered companies. Therefore many foreign companies register themselves in USA and designate a US address as their office in order to be treated as US companies. This is specially beneficial if much of their clientele is also North American. The practice is pretty common in the business world.</p> <p>Similarly, there are thousands of companies all over the world registered in tax heavens like Cayman Island with a Cayman Island address but their owners have never even set foot there nor they employ anybody in Cayman Islands.</p> <p>Incidentally, Netsol is among the biggest IT sector employers in Pakistan and is now expanding globally as well with branches in China and UAE.</p> <p>BTW, I do not mind much if some one shows his own ignorance in the enthusiasm of trying to burst my bubble. Gives me a good laugh. Thanks. </p> http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/investment-in-pakistan#post-323237 Fri, 06 Apr 2012 04:17:05 +0000 Ghost Protocol 323237@http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/ <p>@Easygo,<br /> Dont take it otherwise, earlier I spotted positive changes coming to Pakistan over period of time. I am not positive or negative but just a realistic person. The advantage one gets being realistic is that you can see both glass half empty and full. Sometime "Pakistan key Tehkey daaron" sey cher charh hoti rehti hey..<br /> Dont worry nothing has changed...Cheers </p> http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/investment-in-pakistan#post-323236 Fri, 06 Apr 2012 04:10:04 +0000 Ghost Protocol 323236@http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/ <p>Adnoise, you are surely a learnt person and must be aware of the role of remmitances sent by NRPs? Do I need to mention importance of those dollars in running day to day business of pakistan? Surely the money is not just sent by Doctors,engineers,accountants,scientists, but also by cab drivers, fast food and gas station workers too and nothing wrong in it as long as the money is earned using lawful means. Being sarcastic about them wont help Pakistan but to acknowledging the problems and solving them. </p> http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/investment-in-pakistan#post-323235 Fri, 06 Apr 2012 04:00:35 +0000 Ghost Protocol 323235@http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/ <p>Understand your frustration, why on earth a lahore based company would claim itself a US based company? Just wondering if you would add Nestle Pak,Pepsi Pak, in the list too.<br /> Reason to put those two links was shortage of time available and nothing but two were sufficient to take the air out from ur bloon. If you wanna insist on success stories please share their financial data, growth and tax returns to national exchequer?<br /> Irony is that you have taken argument completely to wrong side. Is it about money? or making more money? Pakistan is paradise for the people having power+money+connections. Why would they even consider leaving the country? I am talking about common 95% of people.<br /> The people suffering and struggling to connect two ends, are unable to feed their children, unable to provide education, health,security to their children. Pakistan as state has failed to deliver on basic needs of its citizen. </p> http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/investment-in-pakistan#post-323165 Thu, 05 Apr 2012 19:19:05 +0000 EasyGo 323165@http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/ <p>@GP Bro</p> <p>Please don't oppose just for its sake. A few weeks back you were sharing positive side of Pakistan and in a way looking optimistic like @Adonis </p> http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/investment-in-pakistan#post-323151 Thu, 05 Apr 2012 18:31:47 +0000 Dusky 323151@http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/ <p>@Zaheerabbas: Have you ever asked a "common" Pakistani if the "Worst democracy is better than best dictatorship"? </p> http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/investment-in-pakistan#post-323146 Thu, 05 Apr 2012 18:26:56 +0000 Adonis 323146@http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/ <p>And you can live in your cynic's cocoon as long as you want. It is not going to hurt any body else. I guess you must be one of those who thinks all Cayman Island based companies are actually "based" in Cayman Island.</p> <p>It is quite funny that you picked 2 out of 7 examples that I quoted and by your 'diligent' google research are trying to prove me wrong. I guess in face of such "overwhelming" evidence it is immaterial that I personally know the owners of these two companies who live in Lahore and their offices (yes, the ones where employees are physically present) are also in Lahore.</p> <p>For those who do not want to come back to Pakistan for whatever reason and then try to justify their decision by portraying Pakistan as hell and those living in the homeland as either poor or incompetent, they can continue doing their "highly skilled jobs in very competitive work environment" of gas stations, fast food restaurants and taxi cabs. Unfortunately, Pakistan has never sent them any invitation to bring these "highly technical skills" to the homeland, hasn't ever laid out red carpet for them and of course it is Pakistan's "loss".</p> <p>On the other hand, those who graduate from Ivy League schools, succeed in business and technology globally, then return to Pakistan to run highly successful businesses and make more money than they were making outside, they must be incompetent fools.</p> <p>Obviously no one can argue with such a "logical" argument. </p> http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/investment-in-pakistan#post-323108 Thu, 05 Apr 2012 16:45:34 +0000 Ghost Protocol 323108@http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/ <p>You can live in fools paradise without interruption. Lets have look at the companies you mentioned:<br /> Netsol:<br /> NetSol Technologies Inc. (NASDAQ:NTWK) is a US-based, worldwide provider of IT services and enterprise solutions for leasing and finance, health care technology, insurance, and e-Procurement.<br /> <a href="http://www.netsoltech.com/company/" rel="nofollow">http://www.netsoltech.com/company/</a><br /> Northbay:<br /> NorthBay Solutions is the leading supplier of software outsourcing services to Enterprise and Emerging companies. We are a US corporation, headquartered in Boston area,<br /> <a href="http://www.northbaysolutions.com/aboutus.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.northbaysolutions.com/aboutus.php</a> </p> http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/investment-in-pakistan#post-322996 Thu, 05 Apr 2012 09:32:54 +0000 Adonis 322996@http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/ <p>Totally agree. </p> http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/investment-in-pakistan#post-322992 Thu, 05 Apr 2012 09:28:56 +0000 Zaheer 322992@http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/ <p>I wish to quote a famous saying;<br /> "It is better to live as a 1st class citizen in a 3rd class country than to live as a 3rd class citizen in a 1st class country". </p> http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/investment-in-pakistan#post-322937 Thu, 05 Apr 2012 02:22:40 +0000 expakistani 322937@http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/ <p>If we are aiming to help out Pakistan then in or out of country there are opportunities to help.</p> <p> Like a project you need Committed and effective team living in or out side of Pakistan. Some work can be done better sitting outside of Pakistan like funding, Some work required onsite monitoring and sometime only proper Communication is required.</p> <p> You dont need to be more or less pakistani to helpout fellow country man. Hate to do it but i like to put few steps i personally take.... not big or news breaking one but at least small step from little guy</p> <p>1: I buy Pakistani towel and rice no matter what is cost<br /> some time made in china towel and rice from india cost less but rule at my home... Rice and towel has to be "Made in Pakistan"</p> <p>2: When buying desi grocery.... Get PakCola and Shan Masala jaat... no harm drinking Pak Cola over Coca Cola.</p> <p>3: When sending money to Pakistan use National Bank of Pakistan. No hawal no Hundi no western UNIONs.</p> <p>4: Do Qurbani in Pakistan</p> <p>5: Attend Pakistani music show then going to Bollywood supper stars show.</p> <p>7; Use facebooks and twiter to promote some good news about pakistan. </p> <p>8: Find small programming, web designing type job and outsource to Pakistan. </p> <p>9: if you are giving gift to your non pakistani friends use "Made in pakistan" stuff.</p> <p>10: Donnate your Zakat to your favorit Pakistani organizations rather then some local / Arab / or just Muslim organizations </p> http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/investment-in-pakistan#post-322900 Wed, 04 Apr 2012 20:42:27 +0000 Adonis 322900@http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/ <p>Netsol, Northbay, Sofizar, Alchemy technologies, Invisalign, Shifa hospital, E2E, are some of the successful companies started by Pakistanis returning to the homeland. These are very profitable ventures and many of them have opened branches globally as well.</p> <p>Why one should only look for a govt job while returning to Pakistan? Why not try to be an entrepreneur?</p> <p>63% of Pakistan's workforce is self-employed, including 13% high-end self-employed. Salaried and daily wage earners make up only 37% of the workforce.</p> <p>Those who say that everything is bad in Pakistan and corruption is everywhere and one can not earn an honest living are either ignorant or too lazy to do any hard work. </p> http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/investment-in-pakistan#post-322869 Wed, 04 Apr 2012 18:55:56 +0000 Ghost Protocol 322869@http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/ <p>Adnoise, define successful and give few examples... </p> http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/investment-in-pakistan#post-322862 Wed, 04 Apr 2012 18:44:32 +0000 asif65 322862@http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/ <p>مالداروں کے لیے ابھی بھی پاکستان زندگی گزارنے کے لیے برا ملک نہیں ۔ کیونکہ پیسہ پھنک اور تماشہ دیکھ ۔ جب تک یہ مالدار لوگ اپنے گھر میں یا مالداروں کے محالے میں ہیں ان کو کوئی مسلہ نہیں ۔ ان مالداروں کو مسلہ تب پیش اتا ہے جب یہ اپنے گھر یا محالے سے نکلتے ہیں یا ان کو کسی سرکاری دفتر سے کوئی کام پڑتا ہے ۔ بھر یہ شور مچاتے ہیں ۔ ملک کو برا کہنا شروع کر دیتے ہیں اور ملک چھوڑنے کی اسکیمیں بنانے لگتے ہیں ۔</p> <p>وہ غریب جو مالدار بننے کے خواب دیکھتا ہے اس کے لیے پاکستان میں رہنا مشکل بلکہ ناممکن ہے ۔ کیونکہ اس کے امدنی کے وسائل محدود اور اخراجات بے پنہا ۔ </p> <p>ان مالداروں اور غریبوں میں صرف وہ لوگ سکون سے ہیں جن کا یقین بنا ہوا ہے کے رزاق </p> <p>‎الله ہیں اور انہوں نے مسجد سے اپنا تعلق جوڑا ہوا ہے ۔</p> <p>پھر بھی اپنا دیس اپنا ہوتا ہے چائے کتنا ہی برا ہو ۔ جس کا بچپن پاکستان میں گزرا ہو وہ جہاں بھی رہے پاکستان اور پاکستان کی یادیں اس کے دل میں ہمیشہ زندہ رہتی ہیں ۔ میں نے تو ایسی مثالیں بھی دیکھی ہیں کہ ایک پاکستانی اپنے تین بچوں کو جن کو اردو بھی بولنی نہیں اتی تھی یورپ کے ایک ملک سے پاکستان لے گیا ۔ دو بیٹوں نے لاہور سے اے لیول کیا ۔ اس کے بعد ایک بیٹا واپس یورپ ا گیا لیکن دوسرے نے واپس انے سے انکار کر دیا اور پاکستان کی یونیورستی میں داخلہ لے کر وہیں پڑھنا شروع کر دیا ۔ </p> http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/investment-in-pakistan#post-322855 Wed, 04 Apr 2012 18:36:33 +0000 Adonis 322855@http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/ <p>Scores of entrepreneurs have come to Pakistan and are running very successful businesses. There are millions of Pakistanis who are making honest money in Pakistan and are happy.</p> <p>The bottom line is, those who can -do. Those who can not think of lame excuses like politicians, dictators, load shedding, crimes blah blah blah. </p> http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/investment-in-pakistan#post-322847 Wed, 04 Apr 2012 18:30:14 +0000 Dusky 322847@http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/ <p>Well option 1 going back: You think, you would be able to land good job once you get back? Do you have the connections to survive the wild wild west? Can you make the scarifies from your current lifestyle? If answer to any of those is "No", then stay where you are.</p> <p>Option 2: In Pakistan even the resourceful people are not immune to conman’s, let alone common man. Do you have the resources to safeguard your investment? Can you count on someone to be honest with your investment and pay your due share? If answer is no, keep your money with you.</p> <p>If you are talking about investing with government, think twice. If ameer-ul-munafaqeen gets elected again, he might take away your money on name of national interest as he has done in past with people who trusted government with their foreign currency accounts. </p> http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/investment-in-pakistan#post-322845 Wed, 04 Apr 2012 18:28:27 +0000 mylove-Pakistan 322845@http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/ <p>@Azizi, well every person has a different set of qualities... for example one may be capable of contributing to the Education sector in Pakistan, cannot do what you mentioned in your post...</p> <p>If one stops sending money, the first people who will suffer may include his old parents, may be young children, the wife who is waiting for him..an unmarried sister who's Susral is giving dates for marriage... Therefore, it may be difficult to exercise it...</p> <p>Anyway, thanks for your comments... </p> http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/investment-in-pakistan#post-322842 Wed, 04 Apr 2012 18:27:37 +0000 Ghost Protocol 322842@http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/ <p>@Azizi, is there a breed called Pakistanis exists abroad? there are Punjabis,Pakhtoons,Muhajirs,where are Pakistanis?<br /> Assuming they can be united on one issue is dreaming in the day light..... </p> http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/investment-in-pakistan#post-322837 Wed, 04 Apr 2012 18:21:05 +0000 azizi 322837@http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/ <p>@mylove-Pakistan said</p> <p>"If one stays abroad, he MUST send money to Pakistan, If one returns there thinking he will contribute to Pakistan... which are you going to choose?"</p> <p>I would suggest a third way - a hybrid of your choices if you really want to serve Pakistan; If you have the skill set of organizational development, make an on overseas Pakistanis Grough who would force government to make changes in the governance of Pakistan. The biggest tool you have is the threat of seizing the remittances. I bet Pakistan cannot run it economy effectively if overseas Pakistanis refuse to send that $9 billion+ yearly money to Pakistan. </p> http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/investment-in-pakistan#post-322834 Wed, 04 Apr 2012 18:16:45 +0000 SultanAliKhan 322834@http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/ <p>@mylove-pakistan.......bro stay put wherever you are and keep your love for Pak on the shelves and pray as hard as you can that looters die soon or kicked out of pakistan the soonest......until that happens your love for Pak has no value......sorry to say this, but unfortunately this is true, only if you can see thru emotional speeches and sermons</p> <p>@GP......yep, it's crystal clear now!!! </p> http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/investment-in-pakistan#post-322832 Wed, 04 Apr 2012 18:13:31 +0000 Ghost Protocol 322832@http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/ <p>I have no doubt that business potential in Pakistan are far better than so many countries? Pakistan dont need ideal situation, ideal leaders, subsidies etc. State just should not actively destroy itself and country would flurish. Alas that is not the case, Pakistan and Pakistanis are actively destroying themselves.... </p> http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/investment-in-pakistan#post-322830 Wed, 04 Apr 2012 18:10:25 +0000 Ghost Protocol 322830@http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/ <p>@Merey piyar, in ideal situation, who want to leave country? </p> http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/investment-in-pakistan#post-322829 Wed, 04 Apr 2012 18:08:01 +0000 mylove-Pakistan 322829@http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/ <p>I am not getting my answer :(</p> <p>In both cases fear is there. If one stays abroad, he MUST send money to Pakistan, If one returns there thinking he will contribute to Pakistan... which are you going to choose?</p> <p>There is no choice to leave Pakistan in all ways, and start a life in the west... </p> http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/investment-in-pakistan#post-322828 Wed, 04 Apr 2012 18:07:37 +0000 Ghost Protocol 322828@http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/ <p>@SAK, accept ur point, hope now point would be clear. </p> http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/investment-in-pakistan#post-322827 Wed, 04 Apr 2012 18:03:31 +0000 SultanAliKhan 322827@http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/ <p>@ghost protocol</p> <p>Actually your use of "OR" instead of "AND" led me to pose that question. </p> http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/investment-in-pakistan#post-322825 Wed, 04 Apr 2012 17:59:13 +0000 Ghost Protocol 322825@http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/ <p>@Adnoise, whats wrong in driving a cab? is it not better than begging or looting?</p> <p>@AS, There are many who return home fearing their "children" wont be under "control" abroad. This cant be termed as love for the country or passion to serve country.</p> <p>@SAK, second type I described as the people who dont have skills to survive despite of having resources. </p> http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/investment-in-pakistan#post-322820 Wed, 04 Apr 2012 17:48:46 +0000 SultanAliKhan 322820@http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/ <p>Lol@ideal situation for investment in Pak.......stop dreaming, haven't you heard new crop of looters (Bilawal, Moonis, Hamza, Maryam, Qadir/Musa Gillani) has just come of age?</p> <p>I don't know who are we fooling?? </p> http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/investment-in-pakistan#post-322818 Wed, 04 Apr 2012 17:47:35 +0000 Adonis 322818@http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/ <p>Not only many do not move out, there are many who have left excellent jobs in the west and returned to Pakistan. These people have chosen to return and work in Pakistan. In many cases, they are leading much better and more prosperous lives in Pakistan. </p> http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/investment-in-pakistan#post-322815 Wed, 04 Apr 2012 17:43:26 +0000 mylove-Pakistan 322815@http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/ <p>I am getting even more confused.</p> <p>But anyway, lets suppose there is ideal situation for investment over there (send money and stay abroad), and at the same time is ideal situation for serving Pakistan by working there (go and work in Pakistan). </p> <p>Which one would you choose? </p> http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/investment-in-pakistan#post-322814 Wed, 04 Apr 2012 17:43:20 +0000 SultanAliKhan 322814@http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/ <p>@ghost protocol<br /> What are the other type of people? You said two but described only one.......</p> <p>I think your first description fits to all those who do not have resources to run from Pakistan. I will agree to the argument that Pak have become a haven for looters, mafioso, cheaters, con-artists and plunderers......... </p> http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/investment-in-pakistan#post-322808 Wed, 04 Apr 2012 17:39:05 +0000 Ali Asghar 322808@http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/ <p>I agree with the 95% statistic. It seems to be more or less correct but disagree with the "sir phiron" wali argument. Out of the 5% there could be many sir phiras but I personally know a lot of people who are doing a lot of good for the country by not moving out. They do it because they have the talent/opportunity. Besides money alone can not bring you happiness and these individuals are living a very happy life. </p> http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/investment-in-pakistan#post-322807 Wed, 04 Apr 2012 17:35:36 +0000 Adonis 322807@http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/ <p>............... "There are two types of people living in Pakistan One who donot have resources to go abroad or do not have skills to survive in competitive economies. ".......<br /> -----------------------------------------------------------------</p> <p>LOL ....</p> <p>This must be joke of the day.</p> <p>I guess the skills needed to survive in competitive economies like "highly technical" skills needed to work at gas stations, mop floors at Mcdonalds or drive taxi cabs are indeed beyond the capabilities of those living in Pakistan !!! </p> http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/investment-in-pakistan#post-322805 Wed, 04 Apr 2012 17:28:06 +0000 Ghost Protocol 322805@http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/ <p>@AS,<br /> I m not talking about "sir pihron ki". You can apply my statement on more than 95% of people living in Pakistan. </p> http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/investment-in-pakistan#post-322803 Wed, 04 Apr 2012 17:26:07 +0000 azizi 322803@http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/ <p>Are you happy with the investment environment Pakistan? Are you in love with the politicians who have created any “safe” opportunity for you? Are you happy with the judicial system that has to protect your investment?</p> <p>Most of the overseas Pakistanis have invested in lands and the stories are not that encouraging. Either the land is a potential candidate for an encroachment by a land mafia or taken over by your loved one who you have appointed to take care of it. That is very common in our culture.</p> <p>People of who have started a tangible business have run into credit defaults taken by the local customers. You invest in cash but very few will buy with cash from you. There is no credit rating and worthiness system of people.</p> <p>If you want to start a business in Pakistan, you have to unlearn certain things you have educated yourself with during your life in the west. Business ethics and raw truth are a few of them.</p> <p>In the meanwhile keep sending the money to make the strong hold of the-corrupts even more. </p> <p>One bright spot overseas Pakistanis have is a potential to make a strong lobbying group who can force the government for a positive change. </p>