http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/ Pakistan Politics Discuss Forum en Sat, 25 May 2013 03:12:14 +0000 http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/only-musharraf-has-god-gifted-ability-of-taking-unpopular-decisions#post-196117 Sat, 11 Dec 2010 16:26:40 +0000 msyedh 196117@http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/ <p>Yes, Mushraf has mentally retarted power to make shameful unpopular decisions against interests of pakistan, but he was zero to make any decision in favor of pakistan interests. </p> http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/only-musharraf-has-god-gifted-ability-of-taking-unpopular-decisions#post-196061 Sat, 11 Dec 2010 05:50:28 +0000 kash01 196061@http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/ <p>He captured power in a most uncivilised way through the back door holding a gun in his hands.Was that a "god gifted ability" too? </p> http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/only-musharraf-has-god-gifted-ability-of-taking-unpopular-decisions#post-196039 Sat, 11 Dec 2010 00:40:34 +0000 raheb 196039@http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/ <p>shimatoree!!! what you are writing about Musharaff is more personal which either you or me has anything to do, we have to see work and courage to do and get rough and tough decisions. By the way jus such things needed as you wrote to just DO IT and someone should DO IT. It is pity that he is No longer in rule. He was capable to change the country. He was a BIG man in small body and Pakistan badly needed it otherwise get ready for bloodshed- civil war and Brutal Mullaism.</p> <p>raheb </p> http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/only-musharraf-has-god-gifted-ability-of-taking-unpopular-decisions#post-195691 Thu, 09 Dec 2010 07:57:04 +0000 Beenai 195691@http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/ <p>"only Mush has God Gifted ability of taking unpopular decisions ...."</p> <p>i wanna make a little amendment in the statement by the author ...</p> <p>"only Mush has God Gifted arrogance of taking unpopular decisions ...." </p> http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/only-musharraf-has-god-gifted-ability-of-taking-unpopular-decisions#post-195646 Wed, 08 Dec 2010 22:14:13 +0000 shimatoree 195646@http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/ <p>Raheb:</p> <p> I know a little bit about Musharraf the man- more than most people.<br /> The info that I have based on evaluations by his seniors-</p> <p>He is a small man trying to be big. He is AMORAL , ruthless and will do anything to achieve his objectives. He is energetic, intelligent in a technical sense and driven.</p> <p> His record has proven that to be the case.</p> <p>I really do not understand how anyone can even imagine that he is going to do anything good for the people of Pakistan. </p> http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/only-musharraf-has-god-gifted-ability-of-taking-unpopular-decisions#post-195645 Wed, 08 Dec 2010 21:50:23 +0000 raheb 195645@http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/ <p>shimatoree, "Anyone who thinks Musharraf is any good- they must be smoking something they are not supposed to smoke!"</p> <p>While when one is already addicted of one sort of smoke then anyother different smoke give Bad taste, that what you are confessing here above. Not only Pakistan, Muslim Ummah need a HARD, Rough and Taugh person who do make Unpopular decisions, like to HANG 10-20 thousand BAD corrupted politicians, about 30 000 from administration who constantly sucking Blood from Pakistan, about 50 000 Mullahs who hijacked Islam and spreading only HATE and Aggression on the name of Islam....etc etc.<br /> It is sorrowful that Musharaff did not make such unpapoluar decisions while HE could do it, BUT wait.... the next one is GOING to make such decisions....be sure and time is NOT far away.</p> <p>raheb </p> http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/only-musharraf-has-god-gifted-ability-of-taking-unpopular-decisions#post-195634 Wed, 08 Dec 2010 19:56:29 +0000 aftab 195634@http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/ <p>He really showed his visionary skills when his goons attacked Geo. </p> http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/only-musharraf-has-god-gifted-ability-of-taking-unpopular-decisions#post-195590 Wed, 08 Dec 2010 13:22:37 +0000 Mirza Ghalib 195590@http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/ <p>OK, gv, if you say so. I'm certainly not going to question your word. You may have been simply teasing. Or, as you put it, taken out of context and I misunderstood your real meaning.</p> <p>I'll add my assent to what you wrote above, namely:</p> <p>"Does that mean that our political process is so warped that it contaminates every pure soul who comes into contact with it - or was it that he was just a bit bent to begin with???</p> <p>im wagering its the latter"</p> <p>We are corrupt because our thirst for the material is unquenchable. Not necessarily because we are in politics. </p> http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/only-musharraf-has-god-gifted-ability-of-taking-unpopular-decisions#post-195589 Wed, 08 Dec 2010 13:17:36 +0000 gv 195589@http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/ <p>@mg </p> <p>im pretty sure ive been fairly consistent with my criticsm of mush - are you sure it wasnt taken out of context</p> <p>here's the last thing i think i wrote on him </p> <p><a href="http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/musharraf-says-will-repeat-lal-masjid-killing-bugti/page/3#post-192100" rel="nofollow">http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/musharraf-says-will-repeat-lal-masjid-killing-bugti/page/3#post-192100</a> </p> http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/only-musharraf-has-god-gifted-ability-of-taking-unpopular-decisions#post-195588 Wed, 08 Dec 2010 13:14:28 +0000 Mirza Ghalib 195588@http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/ <p>gv. how come this about turn? I can swear not so long ago you were telling me how Musharraf wasn't so bad, after all. What has he done in the past six months or so that has put your back up? Or were your admonitions to me at the time simply for the sake of argument? To job your memory I'd then said something like: I could forgive Musharraf much, but not the Lal Masjid massacre which I believed was wholly unnecessary. </p> http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/only-musharraf-has-god-gifted-ability-of-taking-unpopular-decisions#post-195581 Wed, 08 Dec 2010 11:36:45 +0000 gv 195581@http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/ <p>@hkb </p> <p>Well let me see </p> <p>1) Illegal usurpation of political power<br /> 2) Abrogation and distortion of the constitution (to its detriment)<br /> 3) Filling the cabinet with known crooks (Chaudhries, Sherpao, Fazlu, MQM etc)<br /> 4) Economic policy based on expansive credit and miminal infrastructure investment<br /> 5) Publicly attacking and undermining the judiciary<br /> 6) Seriously weakening the institutions of state (i.e. strengthening the executive at the expense of the parliament and judiciary)<br /> 7) Alienating and weakening the weakest member of the federation<br /> 8) Disastrous self centred foreign policy. </p> <p>need i go on </p> <p>and yes the system is seriously messed up but the army is actually an efficient bureacracy (when it comes to its self interest and preservation) how come they were unable to impart that efficiency at any level to the state infrastructure. (p.s that's a rhetorical question) </p> http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/only-musharraf-has-god-gifted-ability-of-taking-unpopular-decisions#post-195580 Wed, 08 Dec 2010 11:17:28 +0000 gv 195580@http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/ <p>@qkm </p> <p>My friend I didnt grow up (entirely) in a city which is why I am telling you that the feudal class is dying. </p> <p>I'll give you a personal example; My grandfather, post Ayub Khan and ZAB land reforms, inherited 1500 acres of prime agri land from his father within a 15 mile radius of the centre of Lahore. He had three children. None of them put any serious effort into developing the land or capitalising it. </p> <p>Today there is a grand total of 20 acres left. </p> <p>Although this is an extreme example and not a large land holding by Pakistani standards - the larger families have also lost large amounts over time due to waste and inefficiency. One of th senior Noons of Bhalwal (personal aquaintance) who himself inherited 4-5 thousand acres is leaving just 1250 acres to be divided amongst his two children. </p> <p>The vast majority of senior feudals have spent the past 60 years kicking up their heels and living off the sale of their lands. I can assure you that this is not a sustainable lifestyle. </p> <p>The only place they still have a presence is interior sindh and southern punjab (in that order) but even that will be over in the next 15-20 years.</p> <p>The bigger problem we have with Agriculture in Pakistan is efficiency (yield per acre) </p> <p>But to answer your question - should large land holders be taxed proportionate to their holding - yes i agree whole heartedly but also keep in mind your big industrial/capitalists are not paying much in taxes either.. </p> <p>Also in my opinion neither class will ever pay proportionate taxation until we have a serious working government in place. </p> http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/only-musharraf-has-god-gifted-ability-of-taking-unpopular-decisions#post-195572 Wed, 08 Dec 2010 08:05:54 +0000 hariskhan 195572@http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/ <p>Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,</p> <p>The politics of today is based on;</p> <p><em>who can create the strongest unsubstantiated 'roumer' / 'speculation' / 'hype' / cloud of wrong information in public, and get away with it</em></p> <p>Why ? Because laws, code of conduct, rules, principles don't matter. What matters is 'public opinion'.</p> <p>Does it make for improving the lives of the masses ? Of-course not. </p> http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/only-musharraf-has-god-gifted-ability-of-taking-unpopular-decisions#post-195570 Wed, 08 Dec 2010 08:02:50 +0000 hkbajwa 195570@http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/ <p>GV</p> <p>hahahahaha.. what i can i say man... i know which battles to fight</p> <p>Anyhow i wouldn't say Mush was a saint or anything, but i certainly do believe that the way politics in Pakistan work it is almost impossible to be in a position of power and not wind up getting your hands dirty.</p> <p>Unfortunately our entire political structure is corrupt through and through, which makes contact with it a sure guarantee of contamination. </p> <p>And i'm not so sure about net negative impact. What do you base that on? </p> http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/only-musharraf-has-god-gifted-ability-of-taking-unpopular-decisions#post-195537 Tue, 07 Dec 2010 22:33:12 +0000 quaidkamazaar 195537@http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/ <p>@gv,</p> <p>there is no grip of feudalism on Pakistani politics?<br /> cmon brother, that is just sooo wrong.</p> <p>feudal culture, feudal mindset, and feudalism itself continues to cause lots of plunder in Pakistan by exploiting majority which is rural.</p> <p>you are being ignorant probably because you are living in a city, are educated, and have not seen effects of wadera shahi in front of your eyes and have not been affected by it.</p> <p>talking about influence, i wonder why landowners tend to be so tax exempted, its definitely their influence which allows them to design the system for themselves only. </p> http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/only-musharraf-has-god-gifted-ability-of-taking-unpopular-decisions#post-195535 Tue, 07 Dec 2010 22:28:45 +0000 quaidkamazaar 195535@http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/ <p>@supersoldier,</p> <p>please elaborate on your analogy :)<br /> i am too bhola to understand it lol </p> http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/only-musharraf-has-god-gifted-ability-of-taking-unpopular-decisions#post-195459 Tue, 07 Dec 2010 15:49:40 +0000 LifeH2O 195459@http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/ <p>I was fan of 'old'(president) Musharraf, but this one <img src="http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-laughing013.gif" /> </p> http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/only-musharraf-has-god-gifted-ability-of-taking-unpopular-decisions#post-195447 Tue, 07 Dec 2010 14:56:25 +0000 shimatoree 195447@http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/ <p>on Musharraf-</p> <p> 0 ! </p> http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/only-musharraf-has-god-gifted-ability-of-taking-unpopular-decisions#post-195444 Tue, 07 Dec 2010 14:46:59 +0000 gv 195444@http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/ <p>@hkb </p> <p>Its very unfair of you to concede the point so readily.. now i have nothing to rant against :) </p> <p>i guess at the end of the day we all have blinkers regarding our pet policies/projects.. </p> <p>its like i said before i think his legacy to the country (despite free media and local body elections) is net negative.. does that make him worse than the sharifs or the bhuttos/zardaris probably not.... </p> <p>However here was someone who was not tied down by prior political/family/communal/tribal baggage and still came out at the other end looking a bit bent... </p> <p>Does that mean that our political process is so warped that it contaminates every pure soul who comes into contact with it - or was it that he was just a bit bent to begin with???</p> <p>im wagering its the latter </p> http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/only-musharraf-has-god-gifted-ability-of-taking-unpopular-decisions#post-195429 Tue, 07 Dec 2010 13:07:26 +0000 hkbajwa 195429@http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/ <p>@ gv</p> <p>"class driven tunnel vision". </p> <p>I have to admit it is precisely this that tempers my appreciation of him a lot. I realize a lot of the people who agree with me generally do have blinders on.</p> <p>Can't argue with that.</p> <p>However i still consider him to be the pick of the litter when you compare him to the other geniuses that make up our pool of possible leaders. </p> http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/only-musharraf-has-god-gifted-ability-of-taking-unpopular-decisions#post-195422 Tue, 07 Dec 2010 12:41:51 +0000 gv 195422@http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/ <p>@quaid</p> <p>your a bit out of date you know (a bit like your party if I may add)- there is no more feudal grip on pakistani politics.. its dying (died) a slow death.. </p> <p>Today the industrialists/capitalist class owns a great more wealth/influence than the large landowners of Pakistan. </p> <p>@hkbajwa, </p> <p>an intelligent chap like you - a fan of musharraf - i'm horrified(:P) - you really are a victim of class driven tunnel vision... </p> http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/only-musharraf-has-god-gifted-ability-of-taking-unpopular-decisions#post-195401 Tue, 07 Dec 2010 08:54:06 +0000 ڈر 195401@http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/ <p>quid and bajwa</p> <p>hmmm One Server (muhsraff) two Clients (Bajwa and Quid)</p> <p>What a strong virus has that server which possess virus like (Bajwa and Quid). Corrupt data, Corrupt system. </p> http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/only-musharraf-has-god-gifted-ability-of-taking-unpopular-decisions#post-195399 Tue, 07 Dec 2010 08:32:17 +0000 quaidkamazaar 195399@http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/ <p>you know what, i used to believe in the same arguement you made here.... that Musharraf took Pakistan out of post 9/11 trouble rather sweetly with least trouble as possible. but then my thinking changed by arguing with people.</p> <p>how can you sell your counry's dignity just because of pressure? because essentially thats what he did. during his time, drone bombs had started, and you are receiving its legacy today.</p> <p>you know, Turkey gave the US a loud NO when asked to host US for supply lines to Iraq. Pakistan could have said no to US and NATO, it would have isolated Pakistan from the rest of the world but atleast we would not be seeing bombs go off everyday in this country. all it takes iz balls, which Mush did not have... how could he succumb to pressure that would essentially put Pakistan in a well it could not get out off? no excuses.</p> <p>some random idiot said "Pakistan would be taken back to stone age", and Musharraf believed it and **** in his pants. sorry, im getting rather deragatory but all the terrorism today is due to weak foreign policy of Musharraf. that is the biggest worst legacy of all... Terrorism. things like 16$ billion dollars left in reserves and media boom dramas entertainment is all worthless if we do not feel secure.</p> <p>when you add the plus points, and subtract the big negative points... it aggregates to a big zero... you are back where you were if not behind.</p> <p>I used to think Musharraf was the next Quaid-e-azam at one time... but now I laugh at myself haha... but i respect your views, you could be an APML member, atleast its a nonfeudal party. </p> http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/only-musharraf-has-god-gifted-ability-of-taking-unpopular-decisions#post-195395 Tue, 07 Dec 2010 06:38:51 +0000 hkbajwa 195395@http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/ <p>@Quaid</p> <p>Listen, Mush was saddled with an american administration run by a **** cowboy who genuinely did not have the capacity to understand that "you're with us or against us" nonsense does not fly in international diplomacy.</p> <p>Considering the ridiculous pressure Mush was under, i think he did rather well in reducing the influence of the americans in pakistan. They were insisting on launching attacks form pakistan and he refused permission. They wanted Gwadar and he refused. In fact they wanted 10 times the things he gave them. Considering the options he had, it was quite impressive that he managed to keep them at bay the way he did.</p> <p>Now i'm not saying he couldn't have done better, but i still think that under Mush, our relationship with the US was maintained on OUR terms to a greater extent than with the current "democratic" administration of pakistan. Under Zardari, Pakistan is being sold off piece by piece to american and european investors (under the guise of "aid").</p> <p>Anyhow i think the dumbest manner in which he caved to the americans was by trying to create some sort of political legitimacy with the PML-Q. Mush was never apologetic about his position as a dictator. He would have continued in that vein had it not been for the west which could not afford to be pals with a dictator. Enter the PML-Q. These are the guys that went on to bust up any and all of his policies because they knew how to play dirty politics, whereas he simply did not.</p> <p>The LG system btw was the single most comprehensive structural change in pakistani administration in several generations of politics in Pakistan. It was not a small idea. It was a MASSIVE idea meant to spawn new political consciousness and talent at the grassroots level. That is one of the reasons that the succeeding government was so gung-ho about eradicating it. The waderas, chaudhrys and other feudal masters of Pakistan could not afford this political awakening in Pakistan. </p> <p>Your complaint that he was unable to wrest control of pakistan from the feudals is correct. however it is not true that nothing was being done to counter it. The LG system was the single greatest threat to feudal power that pakistan has ever seen. Unfortunately he was not in power long enough to see it through to the second LG polls. If he had been able to do that, then perhaps the LG system could not have been dismissed the way it was. Doesn't anybody wonder why, of all the policies of Mush, the LG system was one of the PRIME TARGETS of the "democratic" government?</p> <p>I disagree with you that we are back to zero. In some ways we are, no doubt, but psychologically we are not. This is a nation that is begining to view the excesses and corruption of our elected officials in completely new way. Our population has become more aware of its rights as individuals. It more aware of its rights to exxpression and it is more aware of the power of the electorate over elected officials. This is a milestone in our nation's recovery from the mental sickness and apathy fostered during Zia's time.</p> <p>Fact is that people compare today's regime to Mush's. His 9 years in power have left a massive impact on our social consciousness. </p> <p>And the free media is no small feat. Even if he had achieved nothing else, the fact that he created an environment where the media could flourish, puts him miles ahead of any other leaders we have had in pakistan for more than 30 years. </p> http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/only-musharraf-has-god-gifted-ability-of-taking-unpopular-decisions#post-195391 Tue, 07 Dec 2010 05:30:20 +0000 quaidkamazaar 195391@http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/ <p>@ hkbajwa</p> <p>Musharraf should have changed the system of Pakistan.</p> <p>governments come and go, but systems remain... the roots and the whole structure of institutions could have been changed. he brought local bodies nizaam and all, but he could have implemented even bigger structural changes all over Pakistan and could have made them so that they stay permanently.</p> <p>He was a good talker, brought good investment, but now, we are back to zero... no legacy. sorry but thats just how it is!</p> <p>what legacy did Mush leave? he left Zardari for us... thank you. </p> http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/only-musharraf-has-god-gifted-ability-of-taking-unpopular-decisions#post-195390 Tue, 07 Dec 2010 05:28:18 +0000 quaidkamazaar 195390@http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/ <p>@ hkbajwa</p> <p>I understand your points.<br /> he did leave atleast "some" legacy.</p> <p>but bro, to me, Musharraf did not free Pakistan from clutches of waderas. even after being an all powerful dictator.</p> <p>fine he opened up media and was more "democratic" than even democratic govts.... but bro, it just doesnt fit the bill.</p> <p>if Musharraf really had to leave a legacy, he should have said to USA, "not one more drone or we will start war"... Musharraf made Pakistan begger in front of USA and thats not a good legacy.</p> <p>If you are asking me to view his bright sides as well as bad sides, i ask you to do the same. </p> http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/only-musharraf-has-god-gifted-ability-of-taking-unpopular-decisions#post-195314 Mon, 06 Dec 2010 21:50:46 +0000 benrandle 195314@http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/ <p>Tell me who else could get Bugti killed or CJ humiliated. The good thing is that he is a dare devil. If something is to be doen, he does not care about the consequences. </p> http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/only-musharraf-has-god-gifted-ability-of-taking-unpopular-decisions#post-195160 Mon, 06 Dec 2010 11:19:43 +0000 ajhons 195160@http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/ <p>@ super soldier<br /> There isn't anything todo with Islam in Pakistani Politics.Either Dictators or democrates did nothing to serve islam.They all are power greedy and wealth thursty class of morons who always ruled this Land of Pure People.Those who call themselves religious group and those who are librals, all of them are alike within.<br /> Yesterday I saw JI's rally/Dharna in Islamabad.What message they wanted to convay, that they are to promote Islamic way of governance, NO they were just showing off their power.</p> <p>Some want power in the name of Islam other wants in the name of libralism </p> http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/only-musharraf-has-god-gifted-ability-of-taking-unpopular-decisions#post-195120 Mon, 06 Dec 2010 07:32:13 +0000 ڈر 195120@http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/ <p>Hypocrites wants liberty. Because Islam is the only restriction in their way. They will do their best to quit Islam. Mushraff is great leader of All the hypocrites because he done a lot to finish Islam. But Islam by the will of Alllahhhhhhhhhh prevail over all false religions and tyranny </p> http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/only-musharraf-has-god-gifted-ability-of-taking-unpopular-decisions#post-195117 Mon, 06 Dec 2010 07:17:48 +0000 hariskhan 195117@http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/ <p>Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,</p> <p><strong>@hsaqib17:</strong> Give me a list of those 'unpopular decisions', 'actions' that Mr. Musharraf took, which you claim were 'beneficial' for people of Pakistan ?</p> <p>Let's make a list. Let's create a balance sheet, shall we ? </p> http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/only-musharraf-has-god-gifted-ability-of-taking-unpopular-decisions#post-195116 Mon, 06 Dec 2010 06:51:31 +0000 nota 195116@http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/ <p><em>"that someone should take bold decision which are NOT popular, but have Postive Consequences."</em></p> <p>And exactly what "positive consequences" do we see, oh pot smokers? </p> <p>"Free media"? Hogwash! We have no free media first of all. What ever is there was unstoppable in present times (and lets not forget a lot of money had to be made from issuing licenses). If he was for "free media", then why was he literally attacking channels? </p> http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/only-musharraf-has-god-gifted-ability-of-taking-unpopular-decisions#post-195113 Mon, 06 Dec 2010 06:37:28 +0000 hkbajwa 195113@http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/ <p>Quaid.</p> <p>He DID leave a legacy that has fundamentally changed this country.. It's called a free media.</p> <p>No other leader of Pakistan has ever allowed a media flourish.. especially when said media was clearly against him. We're talking about the media attacking him, making fun of him and criticizing his every act. </p> <p>He did something which none of our leaders have ever done before.. he allowed it to continue inspite of him being an all-powerful dictator. This is no mean feat. It is in fact an act that very few leaders in the world can boast.</p> <p>Everybody knows that Nawaz and zardari both have tried to muzzle the media ever since they returned to their position of power. In fact Zardari even tried to make criticism of the president an offence punsihable by law. </p> <p>So yeah..</p> <p>everything else aside, Musharraf DID leave a legazy that we are drawing IMMENSE benefit from today.</p> <p>Also, there were some of his policies like the LG policy which was a boon for the nation. it was a policy that was engendering a new level of civic and political awareness at the grassroots level and spawning a new generation of non-feudal and non-aligned political talent.</p> <p>First thing the new government did was to get rid of it even though all civic and rights groups in the country said it should be continued..</p> <p>Had the LG system not been summarily abolished it would have been another worthy legacy to leave behind.</p> <p>Just in these two acts, Musharraf achieved more than any of our so-called "democratic" governments ever have.</p> <p>This is no a pro-musharraf diatribe though. No doubt he was far from perfect, but at least give credit where credit is due and don't denigrate the value of what he has done simply because you don't like him.</p> <p>And lastly, i sincerely doubt Musharraf is history. he may never rule pakistan again the way he used to, but he will still remain a player in our political scene, no matter what. </p> http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/only-musharraf-has-god-gifted-ability-of-taking-unpopular-decisions#post-195081 Mon, 06 Dec 2010 03:10:29 +0000 quaidkamazaar 195081@http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/ <p>just forget about Musharraf yaar,</p> <p>his era is over. if he was really that great of a leader, he would have left a great legacy in Pakistan by a totally changed system and countless number of schools.</p> <p>he can fix the economy and mehengaii for sure, but he cannot take Pakistan out of hands of Jageers. </p> http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/only-musharraf-has-god-gifted-ability-of-taking-unpopular-decisions#post-195071 Mon, 06 Dec 2010 02:46:39 +0000 shirazi 195071@http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/ <p>@shimatoree</p> <p>Good one :) </p> http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/only-musharraf-has-god-gifted-ability-of-taking-unpopular-decisions#post-195035 Sun, 05 Dec 2010 21:56:04 +0000 shimatoree 195035@http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/ <p>Anyone who thinks Musharraf is any good- they must be smoking something they are not supposed to smoke! </p> http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/only-musharraf-has-god-gifted-ability-of-taking-unpopular-decisions#post-195028 Sun, 05 Dec 2010 21:02:41 +0000 raheb 195028@http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/ <p>That's WONERFUL! just that Pakistan and Muslim Ummah BADLY needed, that someone should take bold decision which are NOT popular, but have Postive Consequences. I agree and that's why was and is in favour for such persons, who should take hard, painful and unpopular decisions, and only a honest dictator can do soooo. We need a Dictator like Mao, Qaddafi, Castro, Khomeni, who can set examples and put nations on right path, before we shout for people elected democracy.</p> <p>raheb </p> http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/only-musharraf-has-god-gifted-ability-of-taking-unpopular-decisions#post-194937 Sun, 05 Dec 2010 14:15:47 +0000 hsaqib17 194937@http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/ <p>We often say that Pakistan’s problems can be solved through drastic measures and such decisions which are unpopular. It is a fact that no government elected by the people and brought to power by greedy coalition partners can take such unpopular decisions, be it Zardari, Sharif or anyone else. There is, however, some ray of hope. There is one leader who is known for taking unpopular decisions. In fact the only decisions that he takes without consultations subsequently turn out to be unpopular. But he is out of Pakistan and trying hard to be able to come back and remain untouched by those who want his head to be on the chopping board.Read more at: <a href="http://fmeducation.wordpress.com/2010/12/05/only-musharraf-has-that-rare-quality-of-taking-unpopular-decisions%E2%80%A6/" rel="nofollow">http://fmeducation.wordpress.com/2010/12/05/only-musharraf-has-that-rare-quality-of-taking-unpopular-decisions%E2%80%A6/</a> </p>