Bawa
Member
تحریک انصاف کے چیئرمین عمران خان نے کہا ہے کہ تحریک انصاف ملک میں خلافت کا نظام قائم کرے گی۔ ان خیالات کا اظہار انہوں نے گذشتہ روز گرین ٹاون میں اقلیتی کنونشن سے خطاب کرتے ہوئے کیا
http://www.nawaiwaqt.com.pk/pakistan-news-newspaper-daily-urdu-online/Regional/15-Dec-2011/73914
siddiqi73
Member
Tu is ka wazay mutlub yeh howa kay yeh hazrat khud Ameer-ul-Momineen bun nay ka program bana rahay hain.
arif786
Member
@bawa
naaaaaaaaaaaaaaheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeennnnnnnnnnnnnnnn .... now that really qualifies for the prank of the century .... sorry ... maybe just the decade ...:)
Bawa
Member
@ arif786
آگے آگے دیکھیۓ ہوتا ہے کیا؟
:)
junaid
Member
angraizon kai ghulam, aur corrupt adwaar mai insaf ka nizaam???
mushkil kaam per achi soach.
arif786
Member
IK really confuses me..may be this is intentional on his part...
just as AAZ very successfully creates issues and confusions... and in the end we forget what the real issue is and what was the hullabaloo abt ....
he says he is doing "issue based politics" but honestly i dont see that ..for me it is bit of "confusion based politics"
is he moderate, islamist, pro/anti reform, pro/anti status quo, against dynastic politics, pro/anti america ... even if, he has got his vision and policy sorted ... he has not been able to inform and educate the masses abt it .... all we know he is EXTREMELY critical, the emphasis on"EXTREMELY", of mainstream political leaders ... and promises a change .. but how we dont know ...nothing he has done so far is different from any other parties
When Obama promised change he gave a roadmap(that is another story that he has not been totally successful) ...where is IK's roadmap that will bring a change ...
zaln
Member
تو پھر عمران خان کے ہاتھ میں کوڑا ہوگا جو ماورائے عدالت سزا دے سکے گا ؟
mariabashir
Member
تو بھائی حزب التحریر کا کیا قصور تھا؟ اس کو بھی الیکشن لڑنے دیا جاۓ!
@siddiqi73
Dont worry ;Imran will be ENLIGHTENED MODERATE caliph.
Havn't you heard PM Gillani yesterday?
میوزیکل کنسرٹ سے نیٹو سپلائی روک دی ہے ہمارے آنے والے خلیفہ نے.
arif786
Member
Zalaan ... hopefully not ...but that is actually the scary bit... he can multitask and is multi talented, and "muti layered" ... u keep peeling the layers...and u keep discovering new erratic stuff...the recent bit...a tad more alarming thogh... may be he is trying to impress everyone ... u simply cant ... maybe that is the all rounder in him ...
pick a side..decide who u r...u would be liked by some...not so by others ...hopefully the ones who like u outnumber the ones who dont ...
cutenice62
Member
come on , he meant to say he will implement the same justice where no one would be above law,
all other comments shows the ill mind and thinking.
arif786
Member
if that is the case request him to speak against the ISI for their interference in Civilian affairs...if he could speak against HH , in the same token he should speak against ISI chief for meeting MI and seeking approval from foreign govts. to sack his own democratically elected govt ... no one should be above the law :)
d0ct0r
Member
What will be punishment for adultery in his 'khilafat' ?
سنگسار(stoning to death) ?
siddiqi73
Member
Or what would be the punishment for two people who had earlier divorced each other.
>>> the husband is no longer responsible for the wife's expenses and she becomes non-mahram for him and so they must observe the hijab rules.<<
salaudin
Member
@doctor
Islamic punishment for adultery, for single men, is flogging, not stoning to death. Please correct your facts as I always have to point this out to you.
salaudin
Member
Here is the video of Imran Khan's speach
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What kind of Solution or system PTI will bring after wining elections. Imran Khan Explained
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d0ct0r
Member
salaudin
I thought our khalifa Mr Fornication Khan was Taliban Khan that's why i mentioned stoning to death(Based on some hadiths, in several Muslim countries, such as Afghanistan, Iran, Nigeria and Saudi Arabia, adultery is punishable by stoning.)
So who would flog (hundred lashes & exile of one year) our khalifa Mr fornication?
arif786
Member
there werent any solutions...he talked abut giving rights to the minorities...but he was not courageous enough to discuss reforms on blasphemy law...the minorites are certainly against its use as a tool to persecute them..
he surely knows what to do ..but he does not have answers "HOW" ...
it was very generalized propaganda..no solutions
arif786
Member
He should not take the debate to that level...we can never be fair or emulate the khalifas
...simply cannot...he has too many skeletons in his closet...
lets take religion out of the equation and have a debate for the betterment of Pakistani nation in the 21st century ...
EasyGo
Member
Seems khan sb. wanted to have it all.
Don't let go any voter of any mind.
d0ct0r
Member
If some half-witted person really believes that Imran would bring 'khilafat nizam' in pakistan,then he would also have believed had it been said that Paris Hilton or Michael Jackson would bring Khilafat in Pakistan.
zaln
Member
عمران خان کی عقل سلیم پر رشک آتا ہے ،اقلیتوں کے جلسے میں خلافت کی باتیں ،انہیں ڈرانے کے لیہ ہیں یا ووٹ لینے کے لیہ ؟
arif786
Member
not nice...in principle a clip like the one above should not be posted...but hey ...propaganda is a two way street...
arif786
Member
and btw lots of pakistani and muslims drink...just as they take interest and put their money in banks...why is drinking one of the cardinal sins...not condoning it...but how about interest n stuff...why r we such prudes and hypocrates
Once again Khilafat topi dram is in the news; how long we have to listen to this biggest topi drama in Pakistan?
Like Gen Zia everyone wants to become Khalifa and Amir-al-Momineen. Our country ha become a factory of experiments; army Khalifay have been experimenting our country for the last 60 years and in my view, by the way, every army chief is himself a Khalifa.
Nowadays, Imran is under the political training of army generals and may be this Khalifa topi drama is part of his training class.
salaudin
Member
It surely is sad to see Muslims being scared of Khilafa !!!
IK simply said that he wants a system like Khilafat e Rashida where every one is treated equally.
baygharat brigade ko to aag hi lag jati ha Islam ka naam sun kar !!!!
zaln
Member
salaudin said :IK simply said that he wants a system like Khilafat e Rashida where every one is treated equally
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Are you sure ? who are Zimmis ?
arif786
Member
@salaudin
...and when did the pope die...that u have taken over... :)
میرے ننھے منے سے پالے سے زالان بے بی
فکر نا کرو عمو بھائی کی خلافت میں تمھارے ساتھ انصاف کیا جائے گا اور سعودی وہابیوں سے تمھاری جان چھوٹ جائے گی
wink: wink:
ف ج
anyname
Member
Well Done Admin
I expected you to close the thread but you have only deleted my post just because it was critical of Javed Ikram Sheikh and Zalaan. When are you going to ban me?
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anyname
Member
@Moderator
With due respect, may I sugggest that if a post is not in accordance with the rules then please advise the member by email as to why you have deleted the post in order to avoid repetion. Just removing the post without an explanation leads to speculation.
Regards
arif786
Member
good suggestion...if the objective to correcting a mistake or oversight of forum rules
Anwer Kamal
Member
Is Imran himself a fool or trying to make us fool.
Lanat ullah ilal Kazibeen ul Munafiqeen لعنت اللہ الا لکازبین المنافقین
insafi111
Blocked
@AK,
"Lanat ullah ilal Kazibeen ul Munafiqeen "
Well said. Now look into the mirror. You will see a Kazib and a Munafiq.
Anwer Kamal
Member
This is just nonsense , You have no right of personal attack on any member but no good hope from followers of person who is the dirtiest politician of the world .
insafi111
Blocked
@arif786
When Imran speaks about Khilafat, he simply means that the governance system should be transparent, everybody should be equal before the law including the rulers, and a sense of responsibility among the rulers. Call these basic principles Khilafat or whatever, they are good.
Caliph Omar once said that if a dog dies out of hunger besides the Euphrates, Omar will be held responsible.
This is the glorious principle of democracy summed up in a single statement. Yet we have corrupt ruling elite here, whom you call "mainstream politicians", who claims innocence when a killer of two Pakistani is secretly released under the nose of their government(Raymond Devis and Punjab government).
This is the difference between the current crop of "mainstream politicians" or crooks compared to the basic principles of Khilafat or any genuine system. The above mentioned principle, for example, is much more implemented in western countries than any Muslim country.
This is simply what Imran stresses.
What confuses and baffles you about Imran Khan is precisely his golden quality. They say an honest man is loved by all (well, if not loved, at least respected).
Why should he pick sides according to someone's defitions? Why should he categorize himself and restricts himself in the definitions imposed on us by foreigners or misguided ones within our own society?
You might be confused but I am not when, for example, Imran calls himself a liberal and opposes military action against Taliban because maybe, just maybe, I have been better able to free my mind from the clutches of imperialism and slave mentality and have knowledge of the fact that people like Noam Chomsky, for instance, who is a Jewish American intellectual, a very respected intellectual world wide, whom critics call ultra-liberal, anarchist, communist, etc, stands also in opposition to the terrible Afghan war imposed by America. That's liberalism for you and had you known about it you won't be confused.
Imran, as a leader, is a uniting force, not a dividing one. His goal is to make a prosperous Pakistan where there is economic stability and growth, equal opportunities, prosperity and above all justice and rule of law.
This would be the aspirations of any normal thinking human being, be he a conservative or liberal, Muslim or non-Muslim, rich and poor. So why create division, why pick sides?
The side that mattered, he did pick - that of the "right". He had said the issue in Pakistan is not liberal vs. conservative, extremism vs moderation, right vs. left, BUT right vs. wrong.
The right outnumber the wrong by the many millions any given day. It's then an easy and a fruitful fight for the betterment of all rather than concentrating on other differences..
When Bulleh Shah said these lines...
"Na main moman vich maseetan
Na main vich kufar dian reetan
Na main pakan vich paleetan
Na main andar bed kitaban
Na main rehnda phaang sharaban
Na main rehnda mast kharaban
Na main shadi na ghamnaki
Na main vich paleetan pakeen
Na main aaabi na main khaki"
And
"Na main arabi na lahori
Na main hindi shehar Nagaori
Na hindu na turk pashauri
Na main bhet mazhab de paya
Na main aadam hawwa jaya
Na koi apna naam dharaya
Avval aakhar aap nu jana
Na koi dooja hor pacchana
Mai ton na koi hor syana"
And
"Na main moosa na pharoah
Na main jagan na vich saun
Na main aatish na main paun
Na main rahnda vich Nadaun
Na main baitthan na vich bhaun"
...was he confusing you or stressing a deeper human virtue of freeing oneself from barriers and identities imposed by the world and just be a human being, a citizen of the planet ?
If the above saint confuses you, Imran is a nobody to make you understand these concepts.
Just think out of the box and you just may get what Imran's politics is all about. And when you will do it, believe me you will be pleased with yourself that you did it.
Thus the statement, "Pick up sides" might sound good within the company of friends planning to bet on a certain outcome, it is a hollow and bravado type statement when talking about society and country.
And lastly, now old and discredited point you raised about Imran supposedly not criticizing ISI's supposed role in politics. Well, you must not have listened to his now famous interviews in India and one with Al Jazeera. You must also not have heard his many a interview in Pakistan. You are unaware how he is stressing all along that the SC should hear the Ashghar Khan's petition, and how the latter (Ashar Khan), who is the real anti-establishment stalwart, as opposed to the political dwarfs who are now claiming to be anti-establishment (but are actually the illegitimate products of the same) has lent his support to Imran Khan.
What would be a better refutation of his baseless propaganda than the support of PTI from a real anti-establishment stalwart like Ashghar Khan?
I hope this post clears some of your issues about IK.
@Anwer Kamal
I share your thoughts.
This one-eyed supporter of Imran Khan insafi111 (he may be official PTI spokesperson on PkPolitics) has been using very foul language against other blog members. I do not understand why there is no TOLERANCE in our society. Some gung-ho individuals are ready to cross all limits of decency and intolerance.
Since army generals have given Imran green light, supporters of PTI have become very arrogant and intolerant and showing their true colours on our favourite political blog PkPolitics.
I expect from all blog users to use decent language and tolerate dissenting viewpoint on PkPolitics.
insafi111
Blocked
siddiqi73
Member
Bhaion.....agar baatein karnay say bachay paiday hotay tu aaj pooray Pakistan mein ISI Khan aur Insafi111 kay bachay ghoom rahay hotay.
@siddiqi73
Now with this new Khilafat topi drama and hoo-ha, Imran is trying to win 200 votes of Tehreek Hizbul Tehreer "set-up Khilafat" supporters. Not only this, Imran has also sent a force of selected foul-mouthed fan club members on PkPolitics to silence dissenting point if view of other blog users by hook or by crook. Mr. insafi111 is head of this team and his main task is to gag other blog members.
siddiqi73
Member
Don't worry about this insafi111 dude. We have bagged and gagged a lot of these Captain America types recently.
Pehlay Ameer Momeneen of Raiwand waley thay, aab Ameer e Momeeneen Mianwali waley hain..... Kaya Baat hay aur Jihad sirf Khyber-Pukhtunkwa may? ha ha
wat a joke!
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