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جوہری اسلحہ کا استعمال غیراسلامی ہے

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  1. netengr
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    http://www.bbc.co.uk/urdu/world/2009/06/090601_cleric_fatwa_nj.shtml

    مصر کے اعلٰی اسلامی رہنما کا کہنا ہے کہ مسلمانوں کو بڑے پیمانے پر تباہی پھیلانے والے ہتھیاروں کا استعمال نہیں کرنا چاہئے۔اور یہ صرف’ڈی ٹرنٹ‘یعنی دوسروں کوباز رکھنے کے کی غرض سے رکھنے چاہئیں۔

    مصر کے مفتی علی جمعہ (جنہیں مصری لہجے میں علی گوما کہا جاتا ہے )نے کہا ہے کہ اس طرح کے ہتھیاروں کے استعمال سے اسلامی اصولوں کی خلاف ورزی ہوتی ہے کیونکہ ان سے انسانی جانوں کا ضیا ہو تا ہے۔

    مصر کے خبر رساں ادارے مینا کے مطابق مفتی علی جمعہ نے اس طرح کی خبروں کے بعد یہ فتویٰ جاری کیا ہے جن میں کہا گیا تھا کہ اسلامی اصولوں کے تحت جوہری ہتھیاروں کا استعمال جائز ہے۔مفتی علی جمعہ کا یہ بھی کہنا ہے کہ مسلمانوں کو جنگ کے دوران بھی شہریوں کو ہلاک کرنے کی اجازت نہیں ہوتی۔

    مصر کے گرینڈ مفتی کا یہ فتوٰی امریکی صدر براک اوباما کے مصر کے دورے سے کچھ پہلے ہی آیا ہے جو چار جون کو مصر کے دورے پر آرہے ہیں۔جہاں وہ مسلم دنیا کے ساتھ امریکی تعلقات پر تقریر کریں گے۔

    ترکی کے اپنے حالیہ دورے میں امریکی صدر نے کہا تھا کہ امریکہ کی لڑائی اسلام کے ساتھ نہیں ہے۔ انہوں نےمسلم دنیا کے ساتھ ایک عظیم اشتراک کی اپیل کی۔

    مصر کا کہنا ہے کہ وہ ایٹم بم نہیں بنانا چاہتا اور ماضی میں بھی اس نے جوہری اسلحہ سے پاک خطے کی اپیل کی تھی۔نامہ نگاروں کا خیال ہے کہ مصر کا اشارہ اسرائیل کی جانب ہے جس کے بارے میں خیال کیا جاتا ہے کہ مشرقِ وسطی میں وہ واحد ایسا ملک ہے جس کے پاس اس طرح کے ہتھیار ہونے کا شبہ ہے۔

    پاکستان ایسا واحد مسلم ملک ہے جس کے پاس جوہری اسلحہ ہے۔اسرائیل اور مغربی ممالک کو شبہ ہے کہ ایران جوہری بم بنانے کی کوشش کر رہا ہے۔

    Posted 2 years ago on 01 Jun 2009 17:27 #
  2. mylove-Pakistan
    Member

    Well I agree no one should use it. But timing of this fatwa is not correct. If he had to give this fatwa, i think he should have given when Pakistan became atomic power in 1998.

    remember a right action on wrong moment may not be effective.

    best wishes

    Posted 2 years ago on 01 Jun 2009 18:51 #
  3. crocodile
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    British Bought Mullahs at it Again.

    No surprise...:)

    Posted 2 years ago on 01 Jun 2009 18:59 #
  4. netengr
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    The sign of "good " mulla who support mass murder ,genocide and spread hatred .

    Posted 2 years ago on 01 Jun 2009 19:01 #
  5. misalligned
    Member

    netengr so your point is that we should hand this over to UN or dispose this technology.
    BTW are you perveiz hoodbhoy because your veiws reflect his though 100%.

    Posted 2 years ago on 01 Jun 2009 22:17 #
  6. crocodile
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    "mulla who support mass murder"

    I support self-defence.Islam's,God's Given Birth right!!!!
    And I support real self-defence not the fake self-defence of anglo-european lands and kalay angraiz with second-hand mentality....:)

    Posted 2 years ago on 01 Jun 2009 22:22 #
  7. crocodile
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    Guess there is no reply to that... now?...:)

    enjoy! If you can!

    Posted 2 years ago on 02 Jun 2009 0:47 #
  8. netengr
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    If there will be any prophet after Mohammad SAW .I am sure he would be involve in Dawat-e-deen for non muslims and would work for peace in the world rather then making bombs and fighting with the non Muslim countries .

    The real believers worried about their faith which is in their heart and this is the post precious thing they have .

    Islam cannot be saved by a nuke which kills millions of civilians .

    Posted 2 years ago on 02 Jun 2009 6:59 #
  9. netengr
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    Saving Islam with bomb!!!!

    The islam I believe is based on faith ,prayers and spirituality ,it is safe as far as the faith is in the heart ,Islam is safe by spreading the Dawat-e-deen ,Tableegh of faith ,giving some thing good to this world ,giving dawat to non muslims ,bring the humanity from materialism to spiritualism of Islam .

    A nuke that can kill millions of civilian become the protector of Islam ???

    Posted 2 years ago on 02 Jun 2009 7:05 #
  10. crocodile
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    "(how) A nuke that can kill millions of civilian become the protector"

    Tell that to your masters!

    Posted 2 years ago on 02 Jun 2009 7:13 #
  11. netengr
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    Evil has many tool and weapons to destroy humans ,does islam teaches that to follow the evils ??

    USA ,USSR ,China weapon is to kill each other ,They have killed each other around 50 Million people in world war 1 and 2 when muslims were safe Alhamdullillah .

    These Mulla want us to have the same world war in muslim world too

    Posted 2 years ago on 02 Jun 2009 7:17 #
  12. every invention has its plus and minus .
    so do nuclear technology ...
    if u use it as a deterrence than its the best thing that can happen to a small country like us .
    and u know .....
    india cant even think of attacking us any more .
    thats why trying dirty tactics rather than attacking on the borders ....
    india can not go for war with us .
    thats why it has opted media war,diplomacy war and foreign relations war with us .
    world was taking side of india when Mumbai drama was staged .
    our friends are getting closer to india then us .

    but conventional and nuclear war is out of question.
    as india knows the consequences .

    as long as islamic view point is concerned .
    as i have already said in many of my posts that i have very limited knowledge of that .
    as long as i know
    Quran talks about the before hand preparations to tackle any adventure from the enemies .

    Posted 2 years ago on 02 Jun 2009 7:19 #
  13. crocodile
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    "They have killed each other around 50 Million "

    They have killed more than 80 million in war without nuclear weapons.Now imagine how much damage they can do with nuclear weapons?So your masters needed to be given some check mate.

    Posted 2 years ago on 02 Jun 2009 7:23 #
  14. netengr
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    As far as safety of Pakistan is concern ,Yes it can be justified but If some says the "a bomb" is saving islam then i am not agree at all .

    Islam is safe in the west and USA ,Without Nuke Turkey and Malysia safe with thier islam .We are taught the Pakistan is the only fort for Islam and saved by Nuke and survival of Islam is survival of Pakistan .

    We are paying cost of mixing religion and patriotism of the country .

    Posted 2 years ago on 02 Jun 2009 7:28 #
  15. netengr
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    ok they have killed millions so lets start killings more then they did .Islam ka jhanda buland karain

    Posted 2 years ago on 02 Jun 2009 7:29 #
  16. netengr
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    No eletricity
    No education
    No law and order
    No respect
    Killings every day
    no rule of law
    water shortage
    food crises
    no security
    no jobs

    and yet ..

    We protect our country .....

    from whom ???

    in African militants does not have the food but they have the most expensive weapons ..

    is this called sovereignty ???

    check this picture
    http://www.independent.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00037/IN5115753-FILE--Ijaw_37883a.jpg

    Posted 2 years ago on 02 Jun 2009 7:36 #
  17. chechen
    Member

    "We are paying cost of mixing religion and patriotism of the country ."

    Quite the contrary. The last 200 years of decline of Muslim power ( Military, Science and human rights) are due to the separation of state and religion which is alien to spirit of Islam. Prophet SAW demonstrated with his life the role of a leader isn true sense. He was Mullah and political and military leader. We never had dualism in separation like Sunday worship version of Christianity.

    Whatever decline of last 200 years is now compensated by spectacular comeback of Islam especially in parts of Soviet Union. The areas of Soviet Union like Kazakahstan, Tatarstan have large stockpiles of nuclear weapons but they are not going to use it. Russia is facing demographic catostrophe of its own making as discussed in another thread. The areas of Central Asia, Xingiand and 11 semi aut0nomous republics of Caucasus are already talking about united emirates. It is just matter of time. There are several generals and officers in Russian army from Tatar origin and Tatarstan is is having Islamic revival. Most have refused to fight in Chechenya. That is one reason not Taliban that Amereca (Also India has airbase in Tadjikistan) has established bases all over Central Asia. It is certainly next el Dorado after Mid East. The area is bigger than India, Pakistan, Afghanistan and Bangladesh combined.

    Posted 2 years ago on 02 Jun 2009 7:41 #
  18. netengr
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    @chechen

    The Islam you believe is not the Islam that I believe

    Posted 2 years ago on 02 Jun 2009 7:56 #
  19. chechen
    Member

    There is one Islam. Either one of us is following distorted version dictated/patronized by secular West like a piece meal Islam to suit one's whims and desires.

    Posted 2 years ago on 02 Jun 2009 8:43 #
  20. shamwariz
    Member

    Surly Chechen Islam is to be Questioned.. Chechen supports suicide bombing in Pakistan and killing own innocent civilian on the name of avenging USA. What to talk of Islam you are inhuman..

    Posted 2 years ago on 02 Jun 2009 9:03 #
  21. it depends how to use an thing.
    if u use fire to burn people alive ...
    do u justify yourself saying that FIRE is haram in islam?
    if u make any one drown in the sea ...
    u can say water is haram in islam ?

    it all depends .
    if nuclear power is destroying ...its not good obviously.
    but if its for security it shud be alright .

    see Dog is a NAPAAK animal ..its not allowed to be around u ,specially inside the house .
    but for guarding your house ...u can have a dog outside your living area .

    Posted 2 years ago on 02 Jun 2009 9:27 #
  22. nuke could not save Islam but could save muslims and it is not developed to save Islam, it is developed to save pakistanis. and it has proved even in past that it has saved us from the aggression of india. The so called FUNDED pseudo-intellectuals are not tasked with this propaganda to talk against this technology.

    Posted 2 years ago on 02 Jun 2009 10:02 #
  23. netengr
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    one billions Muslims are not safe ???
    Malysia ,turkey ,iran ,saudi arabia ,egypt,Indonesia are not safe ?? becasue they do not have nuke ??

    If India wants to kill Pakistani Muslims by nuke , why they do not kill Indian Muslim first ???

    now people are saying that all this trouble in killings in Pakistan due to "nuke " "jis per dushman ki nazer hay "
    if millions killed to save nuke ..what we are trying to save in pakistan ?? islam ?? human life ??

    Posted 2 years ago on 02 Jun 2009 10:11 #
  24. so we should throw this technology and then could you assure our safety??

    Atleast it has saved us from external aggression. At the moment we are facing internal aggression for which this could not be used but if we follow your (your masters) advice we will be exposed internally and externally to our enemy.

    Posted 2 years ago on 02 Jun 2009 10:20 #
  25. if our nuclear weapons are useless .
    than why the whole world is after us to get the hold of it?

    Posted 2 years ago on 02 Jun 2009 13:03 #
  26. netengr
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    ok ,If the nuke is very use full so we should try as soon as possible

    Posted 2 years ago on 02 Jun 2009 13:14 #
  27. @netengr ,
    its not for use .
    its like the DADA JAAN KI TALWAR in the drawing room...which keeps your enemies away from u that u a son of a BRAVE soldier.

    Posted 2 years ago on 02 Jun 2009 13:24 #
  28. shamwariz
    Member

    @beenai>>> if our nuclear weapons are useless .
    than why the whole world is after us to get the hold of it? >>

    It is because after getting nukes our Jihadi Establishment have become a rouge, exporting terrorism all over the world thinking that no one will attack us because we have nukes..
    We have four neighbours
    Just see India Never Happy, Afghanistan not happy but crying Iran not happy and shouting China not Happy and murmuring.
    After Nukes we have.

    License to do Kargil
    License to attack Indian Parliament
    License to Kabul, Kandar
    License to Sinkyonk China
    License to Zhedan Iran..

    But mind it there is saying you cannot fool all people all the times.

    Establishment thought Nukes can save from all the reaction. World will fix you right where it pains. Now you are fixed and pain is felt in Lahore Peshawar Islamabad Chakwal..

    Posted 2 years ago on 02 Jun 2009 13:52 #
  29. I have ignored all the comments after reading the topic of this discussion.
    I think that Alim should had his head crushed in a grinder for ussuing such a pathatic Fatwa!
    For Crying out loud, **** is wrong with all these muslim scholors and mulllas??
    If you have nuclear arms and then we can't use them cuz there is a FATWA? Really.. we been surrounded by group of Morons and A*****S!
    Obviously no one is going to use their nukes in this modern world but lets assume that one country uses their nuclear arms against us! Then are we suppose to sit together and lick our nukes??

    And why do we need this fatwa?
    Was it a muslim country who bombed Japan??????
    Pakistan is the ONLY muslim country in this wild worls who has nuclear capibality so is this Fatwa against Pakistan???? To stop us sue it against others? Cuz I am afraid that Americans, koreans, russians, french,german,indians won't listen to the FAtWA this thickhead has issued!!!

    Or may be this Fatwa is to stop Iran? As if they care!! Or is this Fatwa to stop Pakistani selling their nuclear assets?
    I suggest that we should make A-Bomb and sell them on e-bay! I am sure after selling just a dozen of them will give us enough money to get rid of our negative budget!

    Posted 2 years ago on 02 Jun 2009 14:07 #
  30. chechen
    Member

    Read between the lines Brothers,

    When it is Pakistan the pharoanic media keeps harping "nuclear weapons will fall into the wrong hands". When it is Kazakhstan and Tatarstan it is same "nuclear weapons will fall into the wrong hands". The commander of Russian nuclear fleet in Black sea is Murat Ibadullin- an ethinic Tatar Muslim hence the paranoia and when it was Saddam trying to build reactor it was same "nuclear weapons will fall into the wrong hands". Remember how Israel bombed it out and none raised a finger.

    Are the nuclear weopons in China, Israel, India and West in "good" hands? The same good hands that levelled Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the holocaust that killed millions?

    Posted 2 years ago on 02 Jun 2009 15:38 #
  31. chechen
    Member

    Khan, Why do you use these words **** & A*****S? Americans use it due to their decadent culture but we are supposed to be ummati. Please refrain from using such words? Prophet SAS warned against such language whether spoken or written.

    Posted 2 years ago on 02 Jun 2009 15:43 #

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