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عافیہ صدیقی نے رائفل کو ہاتھ تک نہیں لگایا: وکلائے صفائی

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  1. Briefly here are some of the basic circumstances of Aafia’s case

    ڈاکٹر عافیہ صدیقی کے وکلا عدالت میں ثابت کرنے کی کوشش کریں گے کہ انہوں نے نہ تو ایم-4 رائفل کو ہاتھ لگایا تھا اور نہ ہی اس سے گولی چلائی تھی۔

    ”ہم یہ نہیں کہتے کہ انہوں نے اپنے دفاع کے لیے رائفل اٹھائی یا یہ کوئی حادثہ تھا۔ ہم کہتے ہیں کہ انہوں نے رائفل کو ہاتھ ہی نہیں لگایا۔” وکیل صفائی لنڈا مورینو نے پیر کو نیو یارک کی ایک عدالت میں مقدمے کی باضابطہ کاروائی سے پہلے ہونے والی پیشی میں کہا۔

    امریکہ میں اعلٰی تعلیم حاصل کرنے والی پاکستانی خاتون عافیہ صدیقی پر الزام ہے کہ انہوں نے 2008ء میں افغانستان میں ایک امریکی تفتیشی ٹیم کے ارکان کو ایم-4 رائفل سے قتل کرنے کی کوشش کی تھی۔

    وکلائے صفائی مقدمے میں بحث کریں گے کہ ایم-4 رائفل سے کوئی ایسا فورنزک ثبوت نہیں ملا جس سے ثابت کیا جا سکے کہ ڈاکٹر صدیقی نے اسے اٹھایا تھا۔ یعنی نہ تو رائفل پر سے ان کی انگلیوں کے نشان ملے ہیں اور نہ ہی ان کا ڈی این اے ملا ہے۔ اس کے علاوہ، ڈاکٹر صدیقی کے ہاتھوں پر بارود کے ذرات بھی نہیں ملے جو رائفل فائر کرنے سے ملنے چاہیئے تھے۔
    http://www1.voanews.com/urdu/news/usa/afia-siddiqui-case-12jan10-81231582.html

    The U.S. government wants us to believe that Aafia, a respectable Pakistani woman in all ways, is now the first and only female terrorist from Pakistan, was voluntarily hiding under cover with three children acting as a terror field operative while at the same time leaving her family to believe for five years that she and her three children were dead.

    ”We are asked to believe that Aafia arranged this just after her father died, after finding out her marriage was disintegrating, and after leaving her widowed mother alone in Pakistan. It is absolutely not plausible and does not even fit the traditional profile by law enforcement of female or male terrorists from that part of the world.
    http://www.journalofamerica.net/html/dr__aafia_denies.html

    http://www.dailypak.com/emergency/12-01-10-news%20(6).html

    "I am boycotting this trial," she declared. "I am innocent of all the charges and I can prove it, but I will not do it in this court." Previously she had tried to fire her lawyers due to their Jewish background (she once wrote to the court that Jews are "cruel, ungrateful, back-stabbing" people) and demanded to speak with President Obama for the purpose of "making peace"
    http://www.friendskorner.com/forum/f137/debate-mystery-dr-aafia-siddiqui-152149/

    Posted 2 years ago on 12 Jan 2010 16:44 #
  2. BaliMA
    Member

    "Aafia Siddiqui is a political operative of the Jamaat Islami and has no desire to help the poor Pakistanis. Her goal is to establish a fundamentalist, fanatic religious dictatorship in Pakistan."Aafia is mentally Arabized enslaved dangerous person and here are a few questions about her conduct.
    1. Aafia was an excellent student who studied at MIT and got a PhD from Brandeis University.
    2. Newsweek has reported that in 2001, her Fleet Bank account was regularly recieving money from the Saudi channel and payments were being made to "under FBI investigation" organisations like Benevolence international and Al Kifah refugee centre.
    3. Till August 2001 she stayed in a flat(#2008) in a particular building in Boston. ANother Fleet Bank Customer, a Saudi, who was investigated by FBI had also given his address as #2008 in the same building during the same period.
    4. Subsequent to the Fleet Bank investigation, Aafia Siddiqui was found to be purchasing high-tech military equipment, items that seemed unusual for her occupation as a microbiologist. According to Newsweek, FBI documents also stated that Khan, Siddiqui’s husband, had purchased body armor, night-vision goggles and a variety of military manuals that were supposed to be sent to Pakistan. Fleet National Bank accounts associated with the couple also showed "major purchases" from U.S. airlines and hotels in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania and North Carolina as well as an $8,000 international wire transfer on December 21, 2001, to Habib Bank, a big Pakistani financial institution that has long been scrutinized by U.S. intelligence officials monitoring terrorist money flows.
    5. Newsweek reported that Fleet National Bank investigators discovered that one account used by the Boston-area couple showed repeated debit-card purchases from stores that "specialize in high-tech military equipment and apparel", including Black Hawk Industries in Chesapeake, Virginia, and Brigade Quartermasters in Georgia. (Black Hawk's website advertises grips, mounts and parts for AK-47s and other military-assault rifles as well as highly specialized combat clothing, including vests designed for bomb disposal.)
    The Fleet National Bank reports detailing all the transactions were filed with the U.S. Treasury Department, and suggest that Siddiqui and her estranged husband, Dr. Mohammed Amjad Khan, may have been active terror plotters inside the country until as late as the summer of 2002.
    6. The Office of the Director of National Intelligence asserts that Siddiqui has ties to Guantanamo captive Ammar al-Baluchi. In 2002, 'Ammar directed Aafia Siddiqui--a US-educated neuroscientist and al-Qa'ida facilitator--to travel to the United States to prepare paperwork to ease Majid Khan's deployment to the United Staes. 'Ammar married Siddiqui shortly before his detention.
    7. On March 1, 2003, Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, one of the original 22 FBI Most Wanted Terrorists, was captured in Pakistan. Siddiqui may have drawn the FBI's attention when she was named by the captured senior al-Qaida operative, as CNN reported on April 3, 2003. According to Newsweek, FBI Agents also found evidence that she had rented a post-office box to help another Baltimore, Maryland-based individual alleged to have been an al-Qaeda contact who had been assigned by Khalid Shaikh Mohammed to blow up underground gasoline-storage tanks.
    8. At that time, the Boston Herald also reported her being linked to alleged terrorist Adnan El Shukrijumah, "whose name surfaced among the belongings of" Mohammed. In any case, she attracted international attention at that time as the first woman to be sought by the FBI in connection with its pursuit of al-Qaeda.
    On March 29, 2003 United Press International reported that the FBI purportedly believed Siddiqui may be a "fixer" for al-Qaeda, moving money to support terrorist operations.
    9. On May 26, 2004, United States Attorney General John Ashcroft and FBI Director Robert Mueller announced that reports indicated that al Qaeda planned to attempt an attack on the United States that summer or fall. In addition, Director Mueller named Aafia Siddiqui as "an al Qaeda operative and facilitator", and as one of seven al-Qaeda associates who were being sought in connection with the possible terrorist threats in the United States, though they did not have any reason at that time to believe that the seven were working in concert. Ashcroft went on to say of the seven that they all posed "a clear and present danger to America, and should all be considered armed and dangerous." The other alleged terrorists named on that date were Ahmed Khalfan Ghailani, Fazul Abdullah Mohammed, Amer El-Maati, Adam Yahiye Gadahn, Abderraouf Jdey, and Adnan G. El Shukrijumah. The first two had been listed as FBI Most Wanted Terrorists since 2001, indicted for their roles in the 1998 U.S. embassy bombings. Jdey was already on the FBI's "Seeking Information" wanted list since January 17, 2002, to which Siddiqui and the other three were added as well.
    http://www.newsweek.com/id/53487

    Karnay jihad aur baad maie rona aur mangnie mafiyaan.

    Posted 2 years ago on 12 Jan 2010 17:11 #
  3. netengr
    blocked

    @BaliMA

    Good work !!!

    Last year on this forum most members did not accepted when I said that she is an alqaida member .

    Theses alqaida physic people create problems for all Muslims

    Posted 2 years ago on 12 Jan 2010 18:11 #
  4. quaidkamazaar
    Member

    so Aafia was Alqaida member???
    is that really true?

    Posted 2 years ago on 12 Jan 2010 18:25 #
  5. netengr
    blocked

    عافیہ نے جہاد کرنے پر زور ڈالا‘
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/urdu/pakistan/story/2009/02/090218_aafia_husband_interview_rh.shtml

    مریکہ میں قید پاکستانی شہری ڈاکٹر عافیہ کے سابق شوہر امجد خان نے دعویٰ کیا ہے کہ ڈاکٹر عافیہ کے شدت پسندوں سے تعلقات تھے اور وہ انہیں بھی مجاہد کی روپ میں دیکھنا چاہتی تھیں لیکن ان کے انکار کرنے پر طلاق لے لی۔

    بی بی سی اردو سروس سے بات کرتے ہوئے انہوں نے اپنے تین بچوں کی صحت اور زندگی کے بارے میں تشویش کا اظہار کیا اور کہا کہ وہ اپنے بچے واپس لینے کے لئے عدالت کا دروازہ کھٹکھٹائیں گے۔

    امجد خان نے دعویٰ کیا کہ ڈاکٹر عافیہ کو جہاد کا شوق تھا اور ان کے بعض پاکستانی شدت پسندوں سے رابطے بھی تھے۔

    ان کے دعوے کے مطابق ان کی سابقہ اہلیہ کا دہشتگردی کے شبے میں امریکی حکام کے ہاتھوں گرفتار ہونے والے پاکستانی شہریوں عزیر پراچہ، عمار بلوچی اور ماجد خان کے ساتھ رابطہ تھا۔ انہوں نے مزید کہا کہ عزیر پراچہ کو امریکی عدالت القاعدہ کو مالی اور مادی امداد فراہم کرنے کے الزام میں تیس سال قید کی سزا بھی دے چکی ہے جبکہ عمار بلوچی اور ماجد خان قید میں ہیں۔

    انہوں نے اس بارے میں مزید تفصیل بتانے اور اپنی تصویر کھنچوانے سے معذرت کرلی۔

    ان کے بقول وہ طلاق سے پہلے ڈاکٹر عافیہ کو مسلسل یہ بات سمجھانے کی کوشش کرتے رہے کہ شدت پسندی کا اسلام سے کوئی تعلق نہیں لیکن وہ ان کی بات نہیں مانتی تھیں۔

    امجد خان نے یہ بھی دعویٰ کیا کہ گیارہ ستمبر دو ہزار ایک کو امریکہ پر ہوئے حملوں کے بعد ڈاکٹر عافیہ نے ان پر یہ دباؤ بھی ڈالا کہ وہ امریکہ کے خلاف جہاد لڑنے افغانستان جائیں لیکن وہ اس پر تیار نہیں ہوئے۔

    انہوں نے بتایا کہ انہوں نے جون دو ہزار دو میں ڈاکٹر عافیہ کی رہنمائی کے لئے کراچی کے ایک بڑے دینی مدرسے کے مفتی رفیع عثمانی کو لائے اور مفتی رفیع عثمانی کا کہنا تھا کہ ان دونوں پر جہاد فرض نہیں ہے لیکن عافیہ نے ان کی یہ بات تسلیم نہیں کی اور کچھ ہفتے بعد طلاق لے لی۔

    امجد خان نے اس تاثر کو غلط قرار دیا کہ ڈاکٹر عافیہ اور ان کے تینوں بچے احمد، مریم اور سلیمان سال دو ہزار تین میں کراچی سے خفیہ ایجنسیوں کے اہلکاروں نے حراست میں لیے تھے۔ ان کے مطابق معاملہ اسکے برعکس ہے۔

    ڈاکٹر عافیہ نے خود کو بچانے کے لئے افغانستان جانے سے پہلے اپنی پلاسٹک سرجری کرا کے چہرہ بدل لیا تھا اور وہ وہاں صالحہ کے نام سے مقیم تھیں۔ عافیہ کے اہل خانہ مجھے میرے بیٹے احمد سے ملنے نہیں دے رہے ہیں جبکہ دوسرے دو بچوں کی زندگیوں کے بارے میں بھی میں فکرمند ہوں اور نہیں معلوم کہ وہ کہاں ہیں۔

    امجد خان

    پچھلے سال افغانستان کے حکام کی جانب سے ڈاکٹر عافیہ کی بہن ڈاکٹر فوزیہ کے حوالے کیے گئے اپنے بڑے بیٹے احمد کا تذکرہ کرتے انہوں نے کہا افغانستان کی انٹیلیجنس ایجنسی کے چیف جنرل فراحی کا بیان نیویارک ٹائمز نے شائع کیا تھا کہ احمد نے انہیں بتایا ہے کہ وہ اور ڈاکٹر عافیہ سترہ جولائی دو ہزار آٹھ کو گرفتاری سے کچھ دن پہلے ہی افغانستان پہنچے تھے۔

    ’ڈاکٹر عافیہ کے ماموں فاروقی صاحب جو اسلام آباد میں رہتے ہیں انہوں نے بھی ایک اخبار میں اپنے ایک مضمون میں یہ بات بتائی ہے کہ ڈاکٹر عافیہ ان سے جنوری دو ہزار آٹھ میں اسلام آباد میں ملیں اور تین دن ان کے گھر رہیں۔ اس دوران انہوں نے اس خواہش کا بھی اظہار کیا کہ وہ افغانستان جانا چاہتی ہیں۔ اس سے تو یہی ظاہر ہوتا ہے کہ وہ پاکستان میں تھیں اور آزاد تھیں۔‘

    امجد خان کا کہنا ہے کہ عافیہ نے طلاق کے بعد ان کے ساتھ ہوئے اس تحریری معاہدے کی پاسداری نہیں کی جس میں طے پایا تھا کہ انہیں اپنے بچوں کی کفالت اور وقتاً فوقتاً ملنے کی اجازت ہوگی۔ ان کا دعویٰ ہے کہ عافیہ 2003ء میں بچوں سمیت جان بوجھ کرغائب ہوگئی تھیں تاکہ خود کو امریکی حکام کے ہاتھوں گرفتاری سے بچا سکیں۔

    ’مارچ 2003ء میں جب ایف بی آئی نے ہم دونوں کے مطلوب ہونے کا الرٹ بھیجا تو پاکستانی ایجنسیوں نے مجھ سے رابطہ کیا اور کہا کہ آپ اور ڈاکٹر عافیہ جو بھی بات ہے صاف صاف بتادیں اور اپنے آپ کو کلیئر کروالیں۔‘

    عافیہ کے اہل خانہ مجھے میرے بیٹے احمد سے ملنے نہیں دے رہے ہیں

    انہوں نے بتایا کہ وہ پاکستان کی خفیہ ایجنسیوں کے بعض افسران کے سامنے پیش ہوئے اور ان کے پاس جو بھی معلومات تھیں وہ انہیں دیں جس کے بعد انہیں جانے دیا گیا۔ لیکن عافیہ پیش ہونے کے بجائے بچوں سمیت غائب ہوگئیں۔

    ’ڈاکٹر عافیہ نے خود کو بچانے کے لئے افغانستان جانے سے پہلے اپنی پلاسٹک سرجری کرا کے چہرہ بدل لیا تھا اور وہ وہاں صالحہ کے نام سے مقیم تھیں۔ عافیہ کے اہل خانہ مجھے میرے بیٹے احمد سے ملنے نہیں دے رہے ہیں جبکہ دوسرے دو بچوں کی زندگیوں کے بارے میں بھی میں فکرمند ہوں اور نہیں معلوم کہ وہ کہاں ہیں۔‘

    انہوں نے کہا کہ اپنے بچوں کو واپس تحویل میں لینے کے لئے انہوں نے عافیہ کے منظر عام سے غائب ہونے کے بعد 2003ء میں کراچی کی عدالت میں مقدمہ داخل کیا تھا۔ اس مقدمے کی سماعت کے دوران ڈاکٹر عافیہ کی والدہ نے یہ حلفیہ بیان دیا تھا کہ ڈاکٹر عافیہ اور ان کے بچے ایف بی آئی کی تحویل میں ہیں اور خیریت سے ہیں۔

    ان کے بقول اسکے بعد عدالت نے مقدمہ خارج کردیا تھا۔ امجد خان نے کہا کہ وہ اپنے بیٹے احمد اور دیگر دو لاپتہ بچوں کی بازیابی کے لئے جلد ہی عدالت کا دروازہ کھٹکھٹائیں گے۔

    Posted 2 years ago on 12 Jan 2010 18:37 #
  6. Anonymous

    I wonder why US will be interested to interrogate Afia unless there are good reasons for that.

    One can see that 'there is something wrong in the bottom'.

    Posted 2 years ago on 12 Jan 2010 18:50 #
  7. toamin
    member

    No matter how good the reasons are for interrogation but mushy's illegitimate sale of dr aafia to FBI/CIA teams and then the tortures at afghanistan + ny jails are condemnable.

    Moreover these human right champions didn't even spare little children of lady who got ruined for life due to their barbaric methods.

    So seculars, I know how much you hate Islam and want to keep it as private matter, but for the sake of human rights just condemn all the tortures.

    Posted 2 years ago on 13 Jan 2010 1:59 #
  8. zia m
    Member

    The fundamentalist Bush, born again christian and the right wing nuts are to be blamed for introducing torture in American legal system.
    Obama the left winger secular wants to try the Nigerian terrorist in a civil court.But our right wing fundamentalists Muslim friends will never understand the difference.

    I have said it before and will say it again.Irrespective of her guilt, Afia should be set free if she was tortured during interogation and that is the opinion of all human right groups.

    Posted 2 years ago on 13 Jan 2010 2:36 #
  9. toamin
    member

    Zia your take on aafia is commendable, but regarding "Obama the left winger secular" I'll show you some other time how that left winger is keeping & continuing with right winger's 'establishment'.

    If you pass the first page and look deep inside you will find almost same security establishment as setup by bush administration.

    Posted 2 years ago on 13 Jan 2010 2:45 #
  10. zia m
    Member

    Obama has to tread very carefully.He has to deal with the right wing Republican jehadis in the Congress, who are already after his blood;
    I'm willing to give him benefit of doubt.It is not easy to turn a big ship around.

    Posted 2 years ago on 13 Jan 2010 2:54 #
  11. toamin
    member

    I would give benefit of doubt if he had brought new people with new ideas, but how can I give benefit of doubt while I see him continuing with same old people with same old ideas?

    Anyway, it is another discussion.

    Posted 2 years ago on 13 Jan 2010 3:02 #
  12. abukhalid
    Member

    To : @ netengr & @ Balima

    Both of you sound like you are not Muslim or if you are Muslim so you are the part of Non Muslim agenda because you peoples are believing on the western news channel reporting’s which are totally failed. These are the channel playing a very botched work for their countries. Channel like BBC/CNN/Time/CNBC or any other western Media. & they are the part of the war against Muslim world. What about the different wrong news confirmed by BBC & TIME magazine like WMD in Iraq & Saddam Hussain cam make dirty Bomb with 45/min so are these sources are acceptable to us to blame on our own citizens ?? You should shame that you are against your religion, Country and against from your own civilians what a shame act both of you are doing here….!!!

    Dr. Afia was captured from Karachi by FBI & local police from Gulshan round about & one of the ASI police confess that he was wrong & he resigned from his job due to feel shame on his sin. The barbarian behavior of American army did with Dr. Afia is not acceptable for the Muslims. Does any one know what they did with her?

    1.She can’t taken up her bath separately, she always bathed front of all Americans & without cloths.

    2.5 times she raped by American Army in Bigram prison

    3.They beat her 3 times a day & forced her to come nude for daily checking in prison

    These entire news breaks by a UK lady journalist & 2 Mujahedeen they run from Bigram jail & informed to Taliban in front of Media then world come to known that what is happing with one of the Muslim & Pakistani lady in the hand of America.

    But the coward both of you with your dirty & notorious type of comments against Muslims so don’t worry time is coming very near to you. Taliban near to win & Americans are near to be defeated then Allah will catch both of you on your dirty comments on your own citizens & Inshallah one day both of you would fall in the bad situation in your life. This is my bad pray for you from Allah.

    Any thing related to Jihad or against west both of you come with a contrary and makes people to exploit that whatever West is doing with our citizens its right. I wish one of your family members caught by your own country police or agency & handover to west then I would see what you feel at that time. Jihad is the best part of Islam against West it’s a height of Islam as prophet (pbuh) said but you people want to destroy the thought of jihad among Pakistani peoples.

    You are the part of crusade & Jews agenda & doing your proxy job here but rest ashore your time is going down.
    I request to all members of the PK POLITICS to through spit on both of them due to their acts against a Muslim Pakistani citizen they are not Muslim or Pakistani shame on them….!!

    Posted 2 years ago on 13 Jan 2010 5:50 #
  13. Red-Scorpion
    Blocked

    @abukhlid

    ""She can’t taken up her bath separately, she always bathed front of all Americans & without cloths.""

    >>>

    Oh no, have you watched any VDO clip showing Dr. Afia taking bath ???

    Posted 2 years ago on 13 Jan 2010 6:14 #
  14. @above
    Oh no, have you watched any VDO clip showing Dr. Afia taking bath ???
    ------------------------------------------------
    What is your interest asking such questions? Or you are habitually inquisitive going down to the finest of fine details even if honor of a lady wouldn't matter in such quest for knowledge!

    Or for your convince and ease in understanding of intricate details, abukhalid should have posted a link for that video over here?

    Posted 2 years ago on 13 Jan 2010 7:10 #
  15. toamin
    member

    What a disgusting and inhumane remark by a scorpion, well what else can be expected from a scorpion.

    Posted 2 years ago on 13 Jan 2010 7:13 #
  16. Red-Scorpion
    Blocked

    @semirza

    May I ask sir, if you have posted above comments as moderator or as an ordinary member of Discuss forum ???

    Posted 2 years ago on 13 Jan 2010 7:20 #
  17. I have asked you clearly, what is your intention to come up with such degrading remarks that are outright disgusting and inhumane for a lady, A HUMAN FEMALE.

    Posted 2 years ago on 13 Jan 2010 7:39 #
  18. toamin
    member

    Why this and what that and if this and if that...

    but no remorse on that shameless statement above!

    Posted 2 years ago on 13 Jan 2010 8:03 #
  19. if we can not respect females at our own end .
    how can we complain to US agencies of the same ?

    Posted 2 years ago on 13 Jan 2010 8:11 #
  20. abukhalid
    Member

    Mr. Red scorpion.

    What a disgusting thought you share with peoples here & you are asking people as a Moderator?
    What is the meaning of Moderator in your dictionary? to posted a link of Pakistani Female here ?
    I think you need mental physician regarding the above comments what about your sister or Mother having the same scenario? Today our new generation is dying to look or express their selves as a moderator or liberal to make them different from others so every thing come up front of them they just speak like a barking dog having not to do except barking .

    All people wants liberalism, socialism & freedom of speech just checked the below link the result of freedom of expression.

    The bad part of the freedom of speech and nudity on the name of human rights is totally to exploit Muslim society of the world to accept all western living standard and culture like today If you want to go US or some EU countries including GB so you will have to go through by Thermal walk through gate which allowed them to see your hidden body parts so?? What does that mean? Meaning is if you want to live with them so do as they do or accept their nudity culture otherwise they would not accept you even though they know that a deluge group of Muslims live there but they dam care of ….. That was the reason prophet prohibited to traveled in non Muslim countries except those who can hold their nerves so see today the result to through to the order of Allah & prophet behind our back….!

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/urdu/world/2010/01/100110_gay_muslim_as.shtml
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/urdu/world/2010/01/100108_eu_divided.shtml

    Posted 2 years ago on 13 Jan 2010 8:25 #
  21. Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    Afia Siddiqui's case is an established case.

    I don't understand why moderators / Admin continue to allow for comments which are nothing more than propaganda, which have but one purpose -> to 'confuse' the issue, by bringing in so much bloated!, worthless! lies, that no one be able to make heads or tails of the actual issue at hand.

    Why is BS! from BaliMA, netengr, Red-Scorpion being allowed on threads like these, when we know! they are lying ?

    Their comments should be deleted. Warning mails should be sent to them. If they continue with their lying, they should be silenced or banned permanently!

    Posted 2 years ago on 13 Jan 2010 11:24 #
  22. learner
    Blocked

    Quote

    She can’t taken up her bath separately, she always bathed front of all Americans & without cloths.""

    Unquote

    I have also not heard this before, abukhalid or any other member should give reference here to authenticate this.

    Posted 2 years ago on 13 Jan 2010 11:42 #
  23. toamin
    member

    Well you picked up red-scorpion's disgusting remark and came in support of that, how strange?

    Posted 2 years ago on 13 Jan 2010 11:47 #
  24. How pathetic!

    Posted 2 years ago on 13 Jan 2010 13:02 #
  25. Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    A new ID 'learner', a name that represents good on face value, but shows very sinister agenda in statements.

    Posted 2 years ago on 13 Jan 2010 13:28 #
  26. jaypk
    Member

    @abukhalid...To : @ netengr & @ Balima

    Both of you sound like you are not Muslim.

    this is our problem...see..how easy it is for us to call anyone kafir and non muslim...sharam aanee chahiye hum logon ko...since i cant accept anyones point of view..so here you go..you are a non muslim...full stop. please refrain frm making religion an entity. yeh humaray baap dada ki jaager naee hay..show sum respect to each others point of view and let loose the daaman of jazbat which is available in high quantities in our poor masses.

    @salam...i think redscorpion intend to say that is there any proof fr anything like bath and 5 rapes daily and 3 times beated...any links.any proofs..if there is that would not only elaborate the case but also more and more ppl would realize the truth if it is and they would feel more sympathetic towards her...i think we are all takin this in the rong direction and makin this an excuse to bash him since this thread is only fr those who can speak in favor and nt against Dr afias case.

    @all...and Dr Afia..as a pakistani citizen she should be brought back home and thn proceed or declare whds right and whds rong...If UK can release the person who was responsible fr aircraft bombing just becasue he was suffering frm a fatal cancer but he was charged thn why cant US release and throw back sumone to whom there are just allegations..may it be right or wrong..thts a separate issue....we have to wait and see whds right and whds rong in this case.Allah knows better..we only know whds been shown to us....!

    @all ..would anyone be kind enough to shed sum light on the link between Dr Afia and Afghanistan? was she ever went to afghanistan? if yes then whd was the purpose...if no thn was thr any link between her and afghanistan..?

    Posted 2 years ago on 13 Jan 2010 13:47 #
  27. Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    Dr. Afia was abducted from Karachi with her children in or around 2003, handed over to US agencies, who took her to US. She was never been seen after that, untill her sudden, mysterious appearance in Afghanistan.

    Posted 2 years ago on 13 Jan 2010 14:18 #
  28. The problem is even it is a turn of Dr. Afia, then you even want to look her taking bath for your proofs but when you hear that Taliban are involved in bomb blasts then you believe blindly. isnt it enough for you that

    1- she was illegally captured from karachi.
    2- She was illegally kept at bagram
    3- Her 6-month son was killed
    4- She was illegally moved out from pakistan
    5- She was illegally moved to US
    6- She was wounded with the gun shot when she first appeared in front of media, still you want to see yourself that she was tortured.

    Its a sick slave mentality which could never change.

    Posted 2 years ago on 13 Jan 2010 14:26 #
  29. jaypk
    Member

    @all..im just trying to ask tht has she ever travelled to afghanistan before all this dissappearence? yes no? when ? and wht abt this M4 rifle thing?

    Posted 2 years ago on 13 Jan 2010 14:32 #
  30. American weak position on Afia's case & dissappearence, US is handling dr Afia case like Sohrab Goth Thanedaar.

    &

    MUSHARRAF FOUND EATING, DRINKING AND SMOKING IN RAMADAN IN CHINESE HOTEL: DAILY LONDON EVENING STANDARD LONDON
    Mayor Boris Johnson has been encouraging Londoners to have a day of fasting during Ramadan, which lasts until 20 September, to help them gain a better understanding of “their Muslim neighbour”.

    That’s all fine and dandy but has anybody told former Pakistani dictator Pervez Musharraf?

    Musharraf, who it was revealed this week is living in a flat near Edgware Road, was seen lunching in Kensington Chinese restaurant Min Jiang on Tuesday with five friends.

    Pardon my Urdu, but isn’t this supposed to be the Islamic month of fasting, when devout Muslims refrain from eating, drinking and smoking, from dawn to sunset?

    A fair number of dishes were brought to his table, including a whole Peking duck.

    More shocking still, if these really were devout Muslims, is that they washed it down with Le Télégramme Châteauneuf-du Pape 2006 — a little young, I fear — from top producer Domaine du Vieux Télégraphe, at £67.

    Perhaps it is Musharraf who needs to gain a better understanding of his Muslim neighbours.
    http://pkpolitics.com/2009/09/16/off-the-record-16-september-2009/

    An open letter to Begum Pervez Musharraf and wives of army officer
    As you know very well, your husband General Pervez Musharraff belonged to a lower middle class family, with limited resources and opportunities, however this nation provided him an opportunity and he became the Chief of Army Staff of fourth strongest army in world, no doubt, it is a great honor for any one, especially an army of a third world Muslim country where a common Pakistani travelling in a public bus would offer his seat as a token of respect when he see a man in Army uniform, a conductor will refuse to charge him bus fair and a poor roadside restaurant owner would refuse to accept the payment for his meal, I have witnessed tears in eyes of soldier’s when they get this much love and respect from people of Pakistan.
    http://www.forumpakistan.com/an-open-letter-to-begum-pervez-musharraf-and-wives-of-army-o-t13748.html

    Posted 2 years ago on 13 Jan 2010 15:38 #
  31. BaliMA
    Member

    zia m
    I have said it before and will say it again.Irrespective of her guilt, Afia should be set free if she was tortured during interogation and that is the opinion of all human right groups.
    Dr Afia's case is in criminal court in New York where she has been hired the best lawyer's on the expense of Government of Pakistan. There has not been a single mention by her lawyers of rape, torture or being arrested in Pakistan. If the stories are true why not bring them up in court? You only see these allegations outside the court. What does that say? I dont think that this dehshatgard haseena has a defense.

    Posted 2 years ago on 13 Jan 2010 18:49 #
  32. Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    @adnak: I will repeat: Gen. (R) Mirza Aslam Baig says, the people operating in Pakistan are NOT! 'Taliban'. These people are only 'using' the name 'Taliban' to 'raise' their not-so-deserving reputation.

    Posted 2 years ago on 13 Jan 2010 20:16 #
  33. off the topic converstaion between Balima and Supercreature has been removed .

    Posted 2 years ago on 14 Jan 2010 5:22 #
  34. Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    DAWN News: Aafia not linked with Al Qaeda: US judge

    By Masood Haider
    Thursday, 14 Jan, 2010
    --------------------------------------------------------

    NEW YORK: A US federal judge has determined that Dr Aafia Siddiqui, the Pakistani neuroscientist, would not be linked with the fundamentalist Al Qaeda outfit during her trial scheduled to begin on Jan 19.

    -------------------------------------------------------------------

    Check this out. US judge has himself condoned the fact that Afia was never envolved with any entity.

    -------------------------------------------------------------------

    Afia is innocent. It is unbearable for me to see her in the hands of those barbarians!! who have tortured, abused, raped, maligned, hurt her children, disrespected her 'DEEN' infront of her to discourage her, to break her.

    Pakistan MUST! do something to force US to immediately hand her and her children BACK!! to Pakistan.

    US MUST!!! pay!!! for the injustice they have done with our sister.

    Posted 2 years ago on 14 Jan 2010 9:12 #
  35. zia m
    Member

    Don't worry the "Barbarian" US Judge will deliver justice!

    Posted 2 years ago on 14 Jan 2010 9:17 #
  36. Red-Scorpion
    Blocked

    hahahaha

    Why Jamaatis are dying for Afia, What services did she render for Pakistanis ?

    Posted 2 years ago on 14 Jan 2010 9:19 #
  37. toamin
    member

    zia m doesn't know about the jury role in their justice system...

    Because of jury role location of trial becomes important.

    Posted 2 years ago on 14 Jan 2010 9:31 #
  38. Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    @zia m: Hope is the best thing for a human being, when matters are not in one's own hands.

    @Red-Scorpion: You don't abandon 'one of your own', especially when they are in the hands of foreigners. Even if she's not a Jamaati, she belongs to our nation. She is a Pakistani. She is a Muslim. She is one of us.

    She is a woman. Muslims do NOT! leave their women in the hands of non-Muslims. Muslims NEVER! trust non-Muslims with their women.

    Why does this bother you ? If you were a Pakistani, you would be doing the same as me.

    Posted 2 years ago on 14 Jan 2010 9:37 #
  39. Red-Scorpion
    Blocked

    Instead of some BS, I need you to tell us
    What services did she render for Pakistanis ?

    Posted 2 years ago on 14 Jan 2010 9:41 #
  40. zingaro
    Member

    RS .. with due respect .. if tomorrow FBI kidnaps you .. and keep you in their custody for many years .. should we also think that what services you rendered for Pakistan or we should protest this inhuman act of FBI?

    Before answering my question .. just take a deep breath .. sit back on your chair .. and then think with purity and honesty of your mind that is not a shameful part that a Pakistani lady is kidnapped from Karachi, tortured, raped, etc and there is no one who can help her. She loses her kids. Just think that we all have kids in our families. What if some day one of the kids don't come back home and there is no clue where is he/she.

    Even if for a moment we believe that she was helping Taliban. Was it not duty of our own people to investigate and present her in the court of law for a fair punishment. But what we did. We sold a Muslim girl who has not been proven guilty for many years. Do you remember when NRO decision came, what Haider Abbas was quoting every where? "A person is innocent, until proven guilty". Is Dr. Afia not entitled for this basic human right? Now FBI is presenting her in the court. Who will be accountable for her spoiled life, if at the end of case, it is found she was innocent?

    Please think again and again ... We are not answerable to USA but to our Allah. We all have to die one day and will answer for our acts, words.

    Sincere regards......ZinGaro

    Posted 2 years ago on 14 Jan 2010 9:53 #
  41. Red-Scorpion
    Blocked

    Dear zingaro,

    Brother don't take me wrong, what I need to know why JI and its allies have so far organised hundreds of rallies and displayed thousands of bannersfor Afia Siddiqui ??? but didn't bother to condemn Taliban's attrocities on poor Pakistanis !
    Why Afia Siddiqui didn't return to Pakistan after finishing her studies and preferred to live in US and paid taxes to an evil government i.e. US, which were then spent on American soldiers fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan !!!
    What services has she rendered for Pakistanis or even muslims ??
    Why Jamaatis call Afia 'dukhtar-e-millat',why ?

    http://www.thenews.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=20404

    Posted 2 years ago on 14 Jan 2010 10:14 #
  42. so its not Hub-e-Hussain, its Bughz-e-Yazid.

    so if JI will ask for something you have to oppose no matter how genuine it is.. great logic, carry on

    Posted 2 years ago on 14 Jan 2010 10:21 #
  43. Red-Scorpion
    Blocked

    @zingaro

    Moreover, your whole argument presumes that Afia was picked up from Karachi by FBI. What I understand this story of Afia's kidnapping is not authentic and her ex-husband's story tells us something else !
    BTW Pakistan has paid two million dollars to Afia's lawyers what else JI wants Pakistan ans Pakistanis to do ?
    Should Pakistan wage a war against Americans ?

    Posted 2 years ago on 14 Jan 2010 10:29 #
  44. toamin
    member

    I commend Zingaro on his sincere effort, but what letsdoit says is right, it is the Bughz-e-Yazid that dominates on him.

    Posted 2 years ago on 14 Jan 2010 10:31 #
  45. Anonymous

    Haris Khan

    “She is a woman. Muslims do NOT! leave their women in the hands of non-Muslims”

    You are right to some extent. But be informed that Muslim women should not take Panga in hazardous affairs as well.

    Posted 2 years ago on 14 Jan 2010 10:51 #
  46. Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    @adnak: It is 'your' claim that she took 'panga'.

    I and the majority of Pakistani nation, we stand firm on the info that she was abducted against her will from Karachi in 2003 and handed over to US for FREE.

    Posted 2 years ago on 14 Jan 2010 10:54 #
  47. jaypk
    Member

    @all...sigh...im still waitin fr a response...has she ever travelled to afghanistan before all this?? if not then this M4 thing when did it happen?

    @iamsowise...whds so wise abt all this...whds mush doing here in this thread..just becasue he is responsible for Dr afia you are draggin him here..besides..if he is eating in the month of ramzan ...its him and his Allahs matter...so many ppl here in pakistan dnt even practice ramzan..go and check the burgers and kids of elites...whn would we realize tht we are nt the thaikedars of our religion. there are far enough reasons to defame mush thn this one so let religion be a matter restricted to ones own life and talk on the issues.

    Posted 2 years ago on 14 Jan 2010 10:55 #
  48. Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    @jaypk: This has been discussed time and again and again and again.

    I have told you many times, and I'm sure you'v read it many times over, but you'r STILL!! asking the question all over again.

    Afia was abducted in 2003. She was handed over to US. She has been in US custody ever since. US authorities/agencies are the only entity who could have brought her into Afghanistan to 'stage' that drama to justify their claim.

    US and its politicians needed 'political mileage' to continue their campaign of terror.

    Posted 2 years ago on 14 Jan 2010 10:57 #
  49. Red-Scorpion
    Blocked

    Dr Aafia Siddiqui’s husband breaks his silence after six years

    Wednesday, February 18, 2009

    By Aroosa Masroor

    KARACHI: After six years of silence, Dr Muhammad Amjad Khan, ex-husband of Dr Aafia Siddiqui, has finally spoken up and says that most of the press reports that relate to his former wife as well as his children are false. In an exclusive talk with The News, he said that most claims are being propagated to garner public support and sympathy for Dr Aafia but are one-sided and in most instances untrue.

    Dr Aafia Siddiqui, suspected of having links to terrorist organizations, has been charged in a criminal complaint filed in a court of New York on account of attempting to kill US personnel during interrogation and on a charge of assaulting US officers and employees in Kabul, Afghanistan, on July 17, 2008. Subsequently Dr Aafia was imprisoned in Bagram for 18 days before being taken to the US for a trial.

    Due to pressure from Aafia Siddiqui’s family, the Pakistan government has been trying to secure her release from the US claiming her to be innocent. Although the US government has guaranteed Aafia the best legal assistance and a fair trial, her family is adamant that she be sent back on grounds that the US authorities have been consistently torturing her for years.

    “Aafia’s release cannot be secured by propagating stories based on falsehood and deception,” commented Dr Amjad Khan, in an interview with The News. Dr Amjad, who was married to Dr Aafia for seven years until their divorce in October 2002, said Aafia’s family and supporters should not believe that truth will not be revealed and mere lies will help in securing Aafia’s repatriation.

    He added that he is disappointed with the government’s disregard for the law when officials handed over his eldest son, Ahmad, to his aunt Dr Fowzia Siddiqui on his return from Afghanistan last year instead of his legal guardian, his father. “The government made no effort to locate me despite the fact that I am Ahmad’s real and legal guardian. My address in Karachi has not changed for the past 30 years. Ever since I returned from the US after our divorce, I have been living with my family,” he said adding: “Both the Minister for Interior Rehman Malik and Dr Fowzia have been taking credit for obtaining Ahmad’s release even though there was not a stone I left unturned to locate my missing children and obtain their custody according to law.”

    Providing documentary proof of the legal agreement between him and Dr Aafia following their divorce, Dr Amjad said that he had been financially supporting his three children Ahmed, Marium and Suleiman until the family stopped accepting the cheques he had been mailing. “After the agreement they accepted my cheques till March 2003. After that my cheques were being returned from Aafia’s home and that got me worried. Soon after I learnt that in April 2003, Aafia and our children had been ‘picked up’ by agencies.” Meanwhile, he received disturbing reports from the family that Aafia chose to leave Karachi with her children as she feared an attack from him.

    Curious to locate the whereabouts of his children, Dr Amjad sought the help of the police and government officials to find them. “I was aware of Aafia’s violent personality and extremist views and suspected her involvement in Jihadi activities. My fear later proved to be true when during Uzair Paracha’s trial in the US in 2004, the real purpose of Aafia’s trip to the US (between December 23, 2002 and January 3, 2003) was revealed.”

    Elaborating, Dr Amjad disclosed that he later learnt from media reports that Aafia’s family claimed she made this trip to the US for job interviews in December at a time when universities were closed for winter holidays. “I also found it very odd that on the one hand Aafia insisted on leaving the US after September 11, 2001, claiming the country was unsafe for us and our children because the US government was abducting Muslim children, and on the other hand took the risk of travelling to that country again without fearing that she may be captured and may never see our children again.”

    While Dr Aafia was in the US, the authorities had been closely watching her, added Amjad. They soon issued the first global “wanted for questioning” alert for the couple in March 2003. “At that time, the agencies did not know we were divorced and I was also unaware of Aafia’s involvement with two other terror suspects, Majid Khan and Ammar Al-Baluchi. They wanted me to persuade Aafia to appear for the interview with them and clear the charges leveled against her just as I had done. That is when she went underground and it later became apparent why she chose to ‘disappear’,” disclosed Dr Amjad.

    Sharing details of his unsuccessful marriage with Dr Aafia, Dr Amjad told The News that since their marriage was arranged, he was unaware of Aafia’s violent behaviour. “She got hysterical fits when she became angry and would physically attack me, but I put up with it for the sake of our children.”

    Although Amjad and Aafia both were inclined towards religion, he found her opinion towards Jihad to be of an extreme nature that sometimes made him uncomfortable. He became particularly suspicious of his wife’s intentions when soon after the 9/11 attacks, she compelled Amjad to leave Boston (where Amjad was completing his residency) and move to Afghanistan where she claimed “he would be more useful”.

    The couple, however, chose to come to Pakistan instead for a vacation and discuss the matter with Amjad’s family. It was here that his parents noticed Aafia’s violent behaviour towards their son on several occasions, particularly when she openly asked for khula (divorce) when Amjad declined to go to Afghanistan. Therefore Amjad decided to file for a divorce as Aafia was adamant she wanted to go. “I tried my best to save our marriage, but divorce was inevitable,” he recalls.

    However, after mutual consent, the couple signed a legal agreement whereby the custody of the three minors was given to Aafia, while Amjad was required to pay for their education and maintenance. “Although the agreement says I am permitted to meet my children once a week, I was not allowed to do so,” claimed Amjad sharing a copy of the agreement during the interview.

    Based on his past experience, Amjad says he had reason to worry about his children. “I feared Aafia might pursue her political ambitions to the detriment of our children’s welfare so I couldn’t help following her case after her family claimed she had been abducted.” Amjad added that he was tempted to use other means to try and rescue his children in these past five years especially since he had evidence that were missing or kidnapped, he claimed. “But I chose to be patient and pursued the case according to the law.” He also filed a case in court against Aafia to obtain the custody of his children.

    “When the Court was unsuccessful, I requested the HRCP to include my children’s names in their missing persons petition in the Supreme Court and also appealed to the Chief Justice for Suo Moto action as this was the only case where three minors were involved.”

    However, after Ahmad was released and handed over to Dr Fowzia last year, Dr Amjad requested her to allow him to visit his son, but she refused. “At first she said Ahmed was mentally unfit to talk, and then claimed that he was not my son but an orphan adopted by Aafia and US reports that his DNA matched Aafia’s were also ‘cooked’. I refused to accept any of that as I had identified my son as soon as I saw a report on the electronic media of his arrest in Afghanistan.”

    When questioned on what basis was Aafia’s family†denying a meeting with his son, Amjad stated that the family is punishing him for divorcing Aafia. “Aafia’s mother and Dr Fowzia had warned me at the time of our divorce that they would take revenge†by not letting me meet the children,” he said adding “But now they are discouraging a meeting with Ahmad because they fear Ahmad will reveal the truth about Aafia’s activities and whereabouts of his siblings over these years.”

    He added that Dr Fowzia had similarly threatened him several years ago by taking a picture of Aafia while she was asleep after she injured her upper lip (by a milk bottle)†in an accident. Dr Fowzia warned Amjad that if he tried to divorce Aafia, she would use the picture against him alleging him to be an abusive husband. “It was made to appear in the picture that Aafia was badly injured. Today, the same picture is being circulated in the media to claim that Aafia was tortured for years in Bagram,” he revealed.†

    Furthermore, Amjad listed the several allegations leveled against him over the years to justify his not meeting his children: First they accused him of kidnapping his three children soon after his divorce with Aafia. To deny this accusation, he lodged a complaint against the family with the Sindh Police and requested officials to help him locate his children, but to no avail.

    Later, Aafia’s family accused him of being an abusive husband and father preventing the children from meeting their father. “Aafia’s mother has also accused me in the media of changing the children’s names whereas in reality they had resorted to these tactics to conceal the children.”

    He alleged that Dr Fowzia also used the Asian Human Rights Commission, an NGO based in Honk Kong, to mislead the government about his two missing children. “The AHRC received the information about my two missing children being in an orphanage in Afghanistan from Dr Fowzia, who was diverting attention away from the place where the children really are.” claimed Amjad.

    Earlier, when Aafia’s father died, the family held Amjad responsible for his death too claiming he suffered a stroke after he saw the divorce document. “That is simply not true because I mailed the document two days after Aafia’s father died and that too because I was unaware of the unfortunate incident. Their family never kept me posted on anything in the six-week period between our verbal and written divorce. I was just as shocked at his death.”

    Moreover, the family alleged that Aafia was in trouble and had been kidnapped because her former husband (Dr Amjad) handed over her personal diary to the FBI. “After this, false reports about Aafia’s arrest and Pakistani government’s involvement in handing her over to the US despite repeated denials by the Minister of Interior and other officials, started making headlines” claims the doctor, who has now re-married.

    It is the whereabouts of his two children ñ Marium now aged 10, and six-year-old Suleiman ñ that worries him now, said Amjad. Like the coordinates of Dr Aafia Siddiqui remained a mystery after she was allegedly ‘picked up’ in March 2003, Dr Amjad believes Aafia’s family may be using the same tactics in the case of his two children, who are reportedly ‘missing’.

    “I am sure they are around Karachi and in contact with their maternal family as both Aafia and the children were seen around their house here and in Islamabad on multiple occasions since their alleged disappearance in 2003. They may be living under an assumed identity just like Aafia and Ahmed had been living [as Saliha and Ali Ahsan] for five years before they got arrested,” believes the father. He said Dr Fowzia’s claim that the children are missing after being removed from the Bagram prison in Afghanistan ‘may be an attempt to attract sympathy of the government and the people and distract its attention from the real location.’

    http://www.thenews.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=20404

    Posted 2 years ago on 14 Jan 2010 11:00 #
  50. Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    @Red-Scorpion: Time and again, it has been noted, that Afia's husband's character is dubious at best. He's been living in US for ages, while Afia lived with her parents in Karachi.

    We cannot trust Afia's husband's claim when his own personality is in dispute.

    Posted 2 years ago on 14 Jan 2010 11:02 #

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