jahilpakistani
Member
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=7wNVVJyM0fg
ن لیگ اسمبلیوں سے مستعفی ہونے سے کیوں خوفزدہ ہے ؟ کیا یہ سب نورا کشتی ہےاور زرداری سے کسی خفیہ ڈیل کا نتیجہ ہے کہ ساڑھے تین سال 'فرینڈلی اپوزیشن' اور بقیہ ڈیڑھ سال عمران کے خوف سے 'نورا کشتی اپوزیشن' کرنی ہے
zaln
Member
سیاسی جماعتیں حکومت کرنے کے لیہ الیکشن لڑتی ہیں استعفے دینے کے لیہ نہیں
TanoliMns
Member
mufadat ki siasat main hakoomat say chipkay huey hain kay nahin girne dain gy. Apani mahlat aur industrial state bachaney kay liye jo yahn say loot kar hi banai ha.
zaln
Member
حکومت سے چھپتے رہنے سے کیا مراد ہے ؟؟
الیکشن لڑا ہی حکومت حاصل کرنے کے لیہ جاتا ہے
Sharif Aadmi
Member
both in centre and provinces, coalation governments are in place with single largest party heading the setups.
Whats wrong in that ?
siddiqi73
Member
Simple counter questions - Why didn't Establishment Khan resign from a parliament which was useless, dysfunctional, rubber stamp, full of lotas, jaali degree holders and presided by a head of state who had usurped the constitution and was a dictator?
qaisernadeem
Member
Siddiqi bhai,
Imran Khan did resign from the Parliament and he was one the few who did!
:)
siddiqi73
Member
Hehehehehehe....just three months shy of the elections of 2008....kudos!!
pkpolitician
Member
میرا خیال سے ن لیگ کو اسمبلیوں سے استعفی دے کر عام انتخابات کے لئے راہ ہموار کرنی چاہیئے۔
siddiqi73
Member
Any election held under Zardari would be anarchic and chaotic.
jahilpakistani
Member
@ Siddiqi73
بھائی جی، عمران خان نے تو اسٹبلشمنٹ کے اشارے پر اسمبلی سے استعفیٰ نہیں دیا کیوں کہ وہ تو اسٹبلشمنٹ کا بندہ ہے مگر ٢٠٠٣ کی اسمبلی میں ن لیگ کے کتنے بندوں نے استعفیٰ دیا تھا؟ جو آپ اسٹبلشمنٹ خان کو اس اسمبلی سے مستعفی نہ ہونے کا طعنه دے رہے ہیں
TanoliMns
Member
because he is not establishment Khan, those who use to come in govt by holding finger of establishment are in trouble, why this time establishment is not giving leverage. please come out of this paranoia. I can understand your mental condition, after losing a lot of potential candidates Mushahid ullah and other allies are spending sleepless nights. initial shock is not yet over
siddiqi73
Member
@Allama Jahil Hazrat,
Bhai sahab, aap kahan pawitar aur bhagwan kay dosray roop mein jis ka naam Imran Khan hai uska muqabla 2002-2007 ki parliament mein bethay PML (N) kay members say kar rahay hain. Woh election tu contest hee under protest mein kiya gai thay and PML (N) only had 17 members.
Sharif Aadmi
Member
Siddiqi
'
Any election held under Zardari would be anarchic and chaotic.
'
So u want elections under some general ?
qaisernadeem
Member
@Siddiqi Bhai
On 2 October 2007, as part of the All Parties Democratic Movement, Khan joined 85 other MPs to resign from Parliament in protest of the Presidential election scheduled for 6 October, which General Musharraf was contesting without resigning as army chief.
:)
jahilpakistani
Member
@ Siddiqi73
چلو مان لیا آپ کا پوائنٹ. مگر آج تو ن لیگ ایک بڑی جماعت ہے اس ٢٠٠٨ کی اسمبلی کی. اور اس نے ٢٠٠٨ کا انتخاب بھی کسی پروٹیسٹ میں نہیں لڑا. میں نے یہی سوال پوچھا کہ اب کس بات کا انتظار ہے مستعفی ہونے میں اور اپنی باری لینے میں ؟ ایک طرف ن للیگ ان اسمبلیوں کو ناکارہ قرار دیتی ہے مگر استعفے پھر بھی نہیں دیتی
siddiqi73
Member
@Qaisar Bhai,
Thank you kindly for validating my earlier post in this regard ;)
@Allama Sahab,
Election laray jatay hain jeetnay aur power kay liya. What is the guarantee that after resignations the government will collapse and new elections will held forthwith?
jahilpakistani
Member
@ Siddiqi73
میں نے ایلکشن کمیشن کے کسی سابق سیکریٹری کا بیان پڑھا تھا کہ اگر اتنی بڑی تعداد میں ارکان اسمبلی استعفیٰ دیں (قومی سے استعفے اور پنجاب اسمبلی کی تحلیل) تو ان کے لیے ضمنی انتخاب کروانا ممکن نہیں ہو گا اور حکومت لامحالہ نۓ ایلکشن کرواۓ گی. ویسے پاکستان میں ہر چیز ممکن ہے
zaln
Member
استفے کیوں دے جائیں ؟؟ سیاسی جماعتیں کو پانچ سال خدمت کا مینڈیٹ ملا ہے ، پجاب میں مسلم لیگ کی حکومت ہے اور اس کا استعفے دینا عوام سے خیانت ہوگا ، ایک سال اور ہے اس کے پاس عوام کی خدمت کے لیہ .
qaisernadeem
Member
@Siddiqi Bhai,
You said 3 months, also, posted the reason why he resigned.
:)
siddiqi73
Member
@Qaisar Bhai,
Didn't know that skinning the scalp off the head was your favourite past time (baal kee khaal utarna) :) Sorry, Imran Khan resigned FOUR months before the election of 2008 and not THREE months as stated by me earlier. As for reasons, they can always be generated!
@Allama Jahil,
The secretary election commission you are talking about is Kunwar Dilshad and I for one have no confidence in a guy under whose purview two rigged elections took place (2002 and 2008).
Sharif Aadmi
Member
Siddiqi & Qaisar,
If IK resgined on 2nd Oct , 2007, it was around 40 days before the assemblies completed their tenure.
Allama Sahib,
If even all the members resign , the law doesn't call for fresh elections. only re-election to vacated seats are required.
What kunwar dilshad said, its moral point of view than of any legal value.
coolbema
Member
There is no way the assembly will dissolve eve after Pml-N resignations because there are lots of other alternates in constitution.
Or waisay bhi PML-N per naya ilzaam lag jai ga key Democracy ko support kernay wali jammat ney khud hi democratic government ko "LOLA LANGRA" ker diya!!!
انقلابی بچوں کی اگر ایک بھی سیٹ ہوتی تو یہ بحث بنتی تھی لیکن یہ بیچارے دن رات خواب دیکھ کر پاگل ہو گئے ہیں
انقلابی بچو ایک سوال کا جواب تو دو عمران خان کون سے حلقے سے جیتے گا ؟؟؟؟
qaisernadeem
Member
Ali Bhai,
Yeh chorain, yeh sochain, Nawaz Sharif kahan say jeetay ga ;)
hypocrite
Member
I think based on current situation, PML(N) step of resigning from assemblies will create further chaos. I think it will also strengthen PTI's claim that these assemblies were bogus.
PML(N) is still struggling with some of its high profile defections and resigning from assemblies could further act as a catalyst in leading to more defections.
The currently assemblies provide a mechanism to PML(N) to retain its current MPA and MNA's until such time that PML(N) can devise some solid strategy.
As Coolbema mentioned, resigning from assemblies could also put a blot on Mian sahib that he is against democracy.
jahilpakistani
Member
@ Qaiser Nadeem
Nawaz Shareef will retake his SA-121 Jeddah seat in next election.
;-)
Political dwarfs can only prosper when a capable leader like Nawaz Sharif is absent from the scene.
Dream on, it is not happening, and his detractors are destined to wilderness.
@Gujjar Talwar
Leaders of PML-N are having sleeplesss nights as what will happen tomorrow and who will join PTI. Nawaz Sharif has no longer hungry for power and he is not doing enough to make any policies/strategies to fight the lota tsunami of PTI.
My Question is: Is NS the right guy to lead PML-N in the future?
d0ct0r
Member
Senate elections likely despite PML-N absence
.. Khan did not rule out the possibility of PML-N resignations ahead of the Senate elections, but said it was beyond his party’s power “since it all depends on mobilisation of the masses.”
According to the constitution, the governor of a province must act upon the advice of the chief minister on dissolving an assembly. However, Senate elections can be held even if one provincial assembly is absent. Thus in a legal and constitutional sense, Senate elections can go ahead even if the PML-N triggers mass resignations; unrest on the streets, however, is another matter.
When asked about the fate of Senate elections in case PML-N resigns and the Election Commission has to hold by-elections, former law minister Senator SM Zafar said: “Senate elections cannot be rescheduled since members of the upper house retire on a given date.”
qaisernadeem
Member
Doctor Sb.
Finally cat is out of the bag, Ishq chupaye nahi chupta #doctorlovesnawaz
expakistani
Member
What we will achieved from resignations? PPP may be incompetent government but still they are elected by people of Pakistan. If we need to build strong political culture then all assemblies need to complete 5 years. When JI and PTI decided to stay away from last election that was their political mistake and now asking for resignation is another mistake they are doing.
At this point PTI and other forces should concentrate on building their vote banks so in next election people elect competent government.
ن لیگ اسمبلیوں سے مستعفی ہونے سے کیوں خوفزدہ ہے
Bhai Kal ho ke na ho... en ka masla yeah hey Werna Jahmoriyat se en ko lagao hota to yeah apni party main fair election kerwatey.
qaisernadeem
Member
Oh Bhains, Aitzaz Ahsan nay Noon ka bhanda phor diya LOL
mosid
Member
In maturer democracies of the world, a government as corrupt as this would have not lasted this long. In such democracies voters are not fixated on personalities but on party policies so when people see a shift in party policies they also shift their affiliation.
There are many countries in the world that were suffering under dictator ships and corrupt governments but when change came, it came through change in peoples mind set. Unfortunately this is not the case in Pakistan. PPP's jiyaala has been the most die hard in Pakistan. it is unfortunate that even after all of this corruption the jiyaalas are still backing Zardari. (see Hamid Mir's recent article in Jang)
PMLN has never said that it will not resign from the assemblies. Rather, they clearly stated that this is their last option and they will exercise it if all else fails.
terminating this PPP government will only breed animosity in rural Sindh where people 'worship' Benazir and Butto. Larkaana Jalsa of Zardari is a proof of that. While most of Pakistan wants rid of this corrupt government but rural Sindh will still vote for Zardari at the next elections.
Terminating this goverment at the will of PTI, HR or IK is not in the best interest of this country as it will make an already volatile country even more unstable. All other options such as the Memo case have to be exhausted. If memo is proven and Zardari is found to be the man at the top it will effectively remove this corrupt government but with out a whiplash from Sindh.
Surely, if Zardari is found guilty in memo case and CJI also decides the case of Zardari's eligibility of presidency then Gilani will have no choice but to write to the Swiss courts. No more Zardari.
Without a doubt Zardari is the sole and root cause of the problems. If he is removed, through a constitutional judicial process, people like Rehman Malik, Babar Awan and so forth will have their careers ended in PPP and more sane people like Raza Rabbani and Itizaz Ehsan atc are like to emerge in the top leadership of PPP. This will probably make the rest of the PPP tenure bearable for the public but most importantly it will not make PPP in to a political shaheed in Sindh.
The subsequent government will have to concentrate in rural Sindh, Bloachistan and KPK with its developmental policies so that these people can finally let go of their decades old emotional attachments and learn to recognise parties from their policies and practices rather than their cheap slogans.
The only problem with the above scenario is that it does not suit the establishments game plan.
siddiqi73
Member
@Qaisar Bhai,
>>>>Yeh chorain, yeh sochain, Nawaz Sharif kahan say jeetay ga ;)<<<<
Bhai sahab, NS ki fiqar chorain bulkay Dr. Sher Afghan Niazi say khof khain ju agali bari mein aapkay pawaitar devta urf Imran Khan ko unki abai seat Mianwali say harai ga :D
qaisernadeem
Member
Siddiqi Bhai
NA 71 is all clear for Imran, last time Malik Amjad won from NA 71 but later joined PPP against the wishes of the people. ;)
Sher Afghan is from a different constituency i.e. NA 72, Inamullah Khan Niazi will deal with him. BTW the current MNA of PMLN Humair Hayat Rokhari who defeated Sher Afghan as independent recently passed away (RIP) so both seats of Mianwali are in PTI's bag.
siddiqi73
Member
Hehehehehehehe.....very good! They are in the bag just like that....then I guess there is no need to contest elections and all the EC needs to do is to declare IK the winner from every constituency based on polls conducted on facebook and twitter.
qaisernadeem
Member
Itni siasat tou hamain bhi aati hai Siddiqi bhai.
But what about Mian sb, no place is safe for him now!
:)
siddiqi73
Member
Don't worry babes.....Mian Sahab just needs to set his eyes on a constituency for a couple of minutes and it will be a landslide.
If wishes were horses.....beggars would ride :D
qaisernadeem
Member
Couple of minutes on a constituency and dang!
If wishes were horses..... You got that right!
HAHA
hypocrite
Member
Don't worry babes.....Mian Sahab just needs to set his eyes on a constituency for a couple of minutes and it will be a landslide.
If wishes were horses.....beggars would ride :D
_______
Siddiqi bhai
have you just contradicted your first sentence above by uttering second sentence ?
qaisernadeem
Member
Hypocrite bhai
Siddiqi bhai ko saat khoon maaaf, Javed Hashmi walay jhtkay say hawas bakhta ho chukay hain!
d0ct0r
Member
2nd sentence was actually in response to @Qaiser Nadeem's 2nd sentence.
@Qaiser Nadeem
But what about Mian sb, no place is safe for him now!
.
@siddiqi73
If wishes were horses.....beggars would ride :D
http://www.javed-chaudhry.com/nayab-kaptan-javed-chaudhry/
Prediction by Javed Chaudhry on 29th November 2011. Most of the names he mentioned to be part of PTI in future turned out to be true in just a month!
“My Question is: Is NS the right guy to lead PML-N in the future?”
Sure, why not? Not only Nawaz Sharif is right for PMLN, he is the best person available to lead Pakistan at this time and turn it around from its present misfortunes.
siddiqi73
Member
@Hypocrite bhai,
Na bro.....my second sentence was intended for Qiasar Bhai who wished or is for some reason assuming that NS cannot get elected from anywhere.
All by elections held during this government were free and fare. That is why, more than half seat won by oppostion in these by elections. Except, there were some gundadgardi,rigging and bogus voting in Lahore ,Gojaranwal and other places, from Noon league.
With free media and Judiciary,Opposition, establishment alliance against PPP. It is impossible for PPP and Zardari to do any kind of rigging. Opposition just want Zardari humiliated dismissal before election, so they can target Zardari and PPP in next election. Zardari and PPP will be easy target after humiliated Zardari removal. Because opposition want to use, judiciary, establishment, media against PPP and Zardari.
xero
Member
What happened to that Tsunami thing. Any updates! Or was it a false alarm?
siddiqi73
Member
@GT bhai,
You heard the term storm in a tea cup....now imagine a Tsunami in a Lota, hope your imagination is vivid!
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