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پاکستان میں کٹر اسلام پسند اقتدار میں آ سکتے ہیں، جرمن ماہر

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  1. پاکستان کے حالات پر نظر رکھنے والی جرمن ماہر بریٹا پیٹرسین کے مطابق اقلیتی امور کے وفاقی وزیر شہباز بھٹی کا قتل اس بات کا ثبوت ہے کہ پاکستانی حکومت کو دارالحکومت اسلام آباد تک کی صورتحال پر بھی کوئی کنٹرول حاصل نہیں ہ
    اکستان میں جرمنی کی ہائنرش بوئل فاؤنڈیشن کی ملکی سطح پر نمائندگی کرنے والی Britta Petersen نے پنجاب کے دارالحکومت لاہور میں جرمن خبر رساں ادارے ڈی پی اے کے ساتھ ایک انٹرویو میں کہا کہ ایٹمی طاقت کے حامل پاکستان کی حکومت موجودہ حالات میں بہتری کے لیے بہت کچھ کر سکنے کی حالت میں نہیں ہے۔
    اس پر طالبان اور دیگر شدت پسند اسلامی قوتوں کو اتنی شہ ملی کہ اب نتیجہ شہباز بھٹی کے قتل کی صورت میں نکلا ہے۔ اس تناظر میں یہ بات اور بھی اہم ہو جاتی ہے کہ اب اسلام آباد میں پاکستان کی وفاقی حکومت کا اس متنازعہ قانون کے بارے میں آئندہ رویہ کیسا ہو گا۔
    http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,14886502,00.html

    India mein cutter hindu govt, America, Germany mein cutter Christians govt, tu Pakistan mein cutter Islamic govt kyon nahi?

    Posted 1 year ago on 03 Mar 2011 7:50 #
  2. Kam
    Blocked

    مذہبی شدت پسندی اور یہ زبردستی کا شریعت کا نفاذ لوگوں میں دہریت لے کر آرہا ہے ،اگر مذہبی نفرت اسی طرح جاری رہی تو اگلی نسل دہریت پر ہوگی اور اس کے قصوروار یہ جماعتی اور طالبانی نفرت انگیز مولوی ہونگے

    Posted 1 year ago on 03 Mar 2011 7:53 #
  3. Indeed why not? But our seclibs could answer that as they are deadset against the idea (already being discussed here)

    BTW: This is the latest fear-mongering/islamophobia tactic being used to justify/sell intervention to their local public. For example:

    Israel Warns: Unrest in the Middle East Means Islamists May Take Power; ‘We Are Living On A Volcano’

    Throughout New Middle East, Islamists Have Upper Hand

    BBC: Egypt Islamists' wait for power

    Posted 1 year ago on 03 Mar 2011 7:58 #
  4. Kam
    Blocked

    مولوی کبھی ووٹ کے ذریعہ اقتدار حاصل نہیں کر سکتے عوام انہیں حکومت میں دیکھنا نہیں چاہتے ہیں پر سیاسی ملا اقتدار کے لیہ پاگل ہو گئے ہیں وہ دہشتگردی کر کے پہلے انتشار پھیلاتے ہیں ،حکومت گراتے ہیں اور پھر فوج اور مجاہدین دہشتگردوں سے ساز باز کر کے اقتدار پر قبضہ کرنے کی کوشش کرتے ہیں .پر الله نے ہمیشہ ان کو ناکام کیا ہے اور کرتا رہے گا .یہ نیا اسلام ہے جو اس صدی میں سید قطب اور مودودی جیسے لوگوں نے ایجاد کیا ہے

    Posted 1 year ago on 03 Mar 2011 8:46 #
  5. Kam
    Blocked

    لوگ شاید بھول گئے ہیں کے پاکستان میں دس سال تک شریعت نافذ رہی ہے
    ضیاء ال حق نے سارے خواب جو سیاسی ملاؤں نے شریعت کے نفاذ کے دیکھے تھے آزما کر دیکھ لیہ ، ضیاء الحق شریعت کو تمام علما دیوبند ،اہل حدیث اور جماعت اسلامی کے لوگوں نے پورا سپورٹ کیا
    ضیاء ال حق اپنی پوری آزادی اور طاقت کے ساتھ جماعت اسلامی جیسی جماتوں کے ساتھ مل کر شریعت نافذ کی پر اب مولوی کہتے ہیں وہ بھی شریعت نہیں تھی شریعت کا نفاذ اور اسلامی نظام دراصل ایک تصوراتی ماڈل ہے جو اس صدی کی پیداوار ہے
    آج کوئی کیوں جماعت اسلامی سے نہیں پوچھتا کے جماعت اسلامی کا اسلامی نظام تو دس سال تک ملک میں نافذ رہا اس کی مثال سب کے سامنے ہیں پھر وہ کس اسلامی نظام کی بات کر رہے ہیں ؟

    Posted 1 year ago on 03 Mar 2011 9:17 #
  6. toamin
    member

    کیا مضحکہ خیز بات کی ہے، اگر ضیاء الحق نے شریعت نافذ کی تھی تو اس کا مطلب ہے کہ زرداری بھی ابھی شریعت نافذ کر رہا ہے؟

    وہی آئین و قانون ہے، صرف چہرے بدلتے رہے ہیں

    Posted 1 year ago on 03 Mar 2011 10:06 #
  7. Kam
    Blocked

    ہر اشو کو زرداری اور امریکا سے جوڑکر بات کو گول مول کر دینا جماعتی مولویوں کا ایک ہتکنڈا ہے

    Posted 1 year ago on 03 Mar 2011 10:29 #
  8. toamin
    member

    اور ہر ایشو کو مولوی اور دین سے جوڑنا کن کا کام ہے؟

    Posted 1 year ago on 03 Mar 2011 10:30 #
  9. @kam

    Well analysed

    Where our fasadi molvis are taking us? Islam is under serious threat from these fasadi molvis who will do anything to spread/enforce theie brand of Islam.

    Who will be next after Taseer and Bhatti?

    German expert is not wrong as writing is on the wall for all of us; Pakistan is going in a very wrong/dangerous direction and with use of militancy fasadi molvis are committed to destroy our society.

    Posted 1 year ago on 03 Mar 2011 10:31 #
  10. Jamat Islami is behind every evil in our country whether it is taliban or Lal Masjis or any other issue Mansoora has played a very negative and dividing role and exploited Islam to foll public.

    Posted 1 year ago on 03 Mar 2011 10:33 #
  11. toamin
    member

    کنویں کا گواہ مینڈک

    Posted 1 year ago on 03 Mar 2011 10:34 #
  12. xtremist Christians Aur Hindus ko Muslims/minorties ka Katl-e-aam karnay ki azadi aur Muslims per pabandi.. baat samjh say bahir hay.
    xtremist Muslims ko bhi 3-4000 loogon ko marnay doo kya muzaiqa hay? koe kaht nahi paray ga insanoon ka. :)

    جنوبی بھارت میں بھارتیہ جنتا پارٹی کی قیادت میں 2008 میں پہلی مرتبہ حکومت کے قیام کے ساتھ ہی مسیحیوں کے خلاف پرتشدد حملوں کا سلسلہ شروع ہوگیا تھا۔ ریاست کے مختلف اضلاع میں گرجاگھروں اور مسیحیوں کو نشانہ بنایا گیا ۔ مسیحیوں کا الزام ہے کہ ان حملوں کے پیچھے شدت پسند ہندو تنظیموں آر ایس ایس، بجرنگ دل اور رام سینا کے لوگوں کا ہاتھ ہے جنہیں ریاست کی بی جے پی حکومت کی تائید و حمایت حاصل ہے۔
    http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,6456210,00.html

    Posted 1 year ago on 03 Mar 2011 10:42 #
  13. Kam
    Blocked

    ملائیت ایک نفسیاتی بیماری ہے یہ صرف مسلمان ہی کو نہیں ہندو ،عیسائی اور یہودی کو بھی ہوتی ہے اور اسی کا نام مذہبی انتہا پسندی ہے .دین دار ہونا الگ چیز ہے پر ملائیت الگ .
    شریعت ضیاء ال حق کے زمانے میں پوری قوت کے ساتھ نافذ کی گئی پر سیاسی مولوی پھر بھی کونفوز رہے .شریعت سوات میں بھی نافذ کی گئی جس کی جلادیت آپ دیکھ ہی چکے ہیں
    مصر کا صدر حسن مبارک بھی ایک مجاہد کے روپ میں سامنے آیا تھا جس نے اسرئیل کو ناکوں چنے چبوایے تھے اور اپنی خلافت تیس سال تک نافذ رکھی
    قذافی بھی ایک بہت بڑا اسرئیل اور امریکا کا مخالف تھا ،یورپ کو اسلام کی دعوت دیتا تھا اور سوئزرلینڈ کے خلاف جہاد کا ہم بھی دے چکا تھا اسی نفرت کی بنیاد پر اس نے چالیس سال اپنی خلافت رکھی یہی قذافی تھا جس کی مولوی حمایت کرتے تھے
    ایران میں بھی مذہب کی بنیاد پر خلافت قائم ہے اور مخالفت کرنے والوں کو انتہائی بری طرح کچلا جاتا ہے اور اپنی خلافت کو قائم رکھنے کے لیہ وہ بھی اسرئیل اور امریکا کی نفرت کا سہارا لیتے ہیں

    امریکا کا مسلہ یہ ہے وہ وہ بالادستی چاہتا ہے اور اس کی جنگ مادی اور طاقت کے لیہ ہے .امریکا کی جنگ مذہبی نہیں اور چین اور یورپ اس امریکا چودراحت کا مقابلہ بھی کر رہے ہیں ،پر ہمارے سیاسی مذہبی مولوی اس کو مذہبی رنگ دے کر اپنے مردہ گھوڑے میں جان ڈالتے رہتے ہیں .ان کے پاس عوام کو دینے کے لیہ کچھ نہیں اور نہ ہی یہ صوفیوں کی طرح روحانی ہیں کے عوام کو قریب کر سکیں تو ان سیاسی مذہبی لوگوں کے پاس نفرت ہی وہ سہارا ہے جس کے بلبوتے پر وہ اپنے آپ کو زندہ رکھ سکتے ہیں .امریکا ،بھارت ،اسرایل ،دیوبندی ،بریلوی ،شیا یا کسی سے بھی نفرت ان کا سب سے بری غذا ہوتی ہے جس پر یہ زندہ ہیں .ان مذہبی سیاسی مولویوں کے سب سے بڑی خواہش ہے کے انہیں کسی طرح اقتدار مل جائے جسے وہ اسلامی نظام کہتے ہیں پر تاریخ گواہ ہے کہ انہیں جب بھی اقتدار ملا یہ خود کونفوزے رہے اور انہیں خود نہیں پتا کے خلافت اور اسلامی نظام کیا ہے .

    مذہب کی بنیاد پر اقتدار اور حکومت یہودی اور عیسایوں نے بھی کی پر بلا آخر لوگ ان سے بیزار ہوئے اور اس کا نتیجہ یہ نکلا کے لوگ مذہب سے بھی بیزار ہو گئے

    Posted 1 year ago on 03 Mar 2011 11:23 #
  14. toamin
    member

    disclaimer: i am not a follower of lewis farrakhan, but enjoyed his 2 minute response!

    Posted 1 year ago on 03 Mar 2011 11:34 #
  15. @Kam

    امریکا کا مسلہ یہ ہے وہ وہ بالادستی چاہتا ہے اور اس کی جنگ مادی اور طاقت کے لیہ ہے .امریکا کی جنگ مذہبی نہیں اور چین اور یورپ اس امریکا چودراحت کا مقابلہ بھی کر رہے ہیں ،پر ہمارے سیاسی مذہبی مولوی اس کو مذہبی رنگ دے کر اپنے مردہ گھوڑے میں جان ڈالتے رہتے ہیں

    In reality America ka masla yea hay.
    (religious extremism)

    Religion Dividing Europe from United States
    Whether the difference is a result of more quantitatively inclined sociologists of religion in the United States or a generally greater interest in religion is difficult to say. It is also telling what areas of the science of religion that American scholars research compared to where the Europeans focus their energies. Religion and politics is an important subject in the United States whereas religion and morals and the attitudes towards religious minorities are important subjects in Europe. Generally speaking American scholars are more inclined to use religion in their analyses than European scholars. American scholars find religion relevant is such different research-subjects as suicide, smoking, old age research, and of course abortion.
    http://www.staff.hum.ku.dk/pluchau/inors/Religion_in_Europe_and%20US.pdf

    Posted 1 year ago on 03 Mar 2011 11:49 #
  16. yahya
    Member

    @iamsowise: You are saying your religion is a bad as extremist Christians and Hindus? Thanks for clarifying. Not that it was needed. Pretty obvious.

    Posted 1 year ago on 03 Mar 2011 12:49 #
  17. I think radical molvis are already in power and calling shots in pakistan; anyone dares to oppose them will be target of their AK47.

    Posted 1 year ago on 03 Mar 2011 13:10 #
  18. toamin
    member

    طاقت میں تو لبرل اور سیکولر طبقہ ہے، باقی سب تو پسے ہوے ہیں، ظاہر ہے اب انہوں نے اپنی غلطی تو ماننی نہیں اور کسی نا کسی پر الزام تراشی کرنی ہے، پچھلے تریسٹھ سالوں سے حکومت میں بھی ہیں اور روتے بھی ہیں، کیا منافقت ہے جی

    Posted 1 year ago on 03 Mar 2011 13:32 #
  19. I love AK-47

    Posted 1 year ago on 03 Mar 2011 13:33 #
  20. SufiSoul
    Member

    "I love AK-47"

    I love that FINGER pressed over,that eye aiming at,that shoulder gives support........

    Taseer and Bhatti ANJAM spreading a layer of disturbance among minority,seculars,liberals etc
    Above posts and some other threads presenting the picture very clearly..These are going in deep mental trouble and looses grip over logical discussion..
    salam is their main target here.These are flowing with the powerfull religious flooding and no where to escape.They are facing hard hits between the flood water and almost loosing their senses now.They will be thrown some where they like it or not.they are now at the disposal of powerfull flooding....

    Posted 1 year ago on 03 Mar 2011 13:57 #
  21. gv
    Member

    @sufi soul

    do you fix toilets for a living??? you seem to be rather intimate with issues of plumbing and flooding???

    Posted 1 year ago on 03 Mar 2011 14:02 #
  22. toamin
    member

    خدا خیر کرے آج تو جی وی بھی غضب کے موڈ میں ہے

    Posted 1 year ago on 03 Mar 2011 14:05 #
  23. AK47 is the main enforcement tool of fasadi molvis in this country. No one is safe from AK47 no matter if you are a Governor or Minister. Jamiat was the first group to own AK47 and then they used in universities and colleges in Lahore and Karachi successfully to intimidate other student groups.

    Posted 1 year ago on 03 Mar 2011 14:07 #
  24. SufiSoul
    Member

    Now it seems that targets are divided between brailvis and deobandis....
    taseer was sent by brailvi to hell.
    Bhatti by deobandis......

    Ab koi bolta hi nahi in k khilaaf....

    Posted 1 year ago on 03 Mar 2011 14:07 #
  25. Dear Friends,

    I bear repeating here that the class less, secular and pro-democratic virus is found very effectively dismantling the chronic and age old ailment of oppression and cancerous tyranny. Victims have already started a fresh breath of air of their new life of freedom.

    Kissi kay bas main naheen tha; kissi kay bas main naheen;
    Buladion ko sadda pamaal kar rakhna.

    In adjacent country like in Pakistan; where the ailment of anarchy is found spread by a new emerging creed of religious oppressors and is seen having deployed its weapon of blasphemy in defence to keep its coerced, enslaved masses isolated--- but believably the new virus is proven potent enough to scale down all such barriers and will soon be seen hitting the very roots of Pakistani ailment ---exposing and make standing its oppressors; bare ---to die out for good.

    Posted 1 year ago on 03 Mar 2011 14:11 #
  26. @SufiSoul

    Do not say anything against molvis (both Brailvi or Deobandi) or risk losing your life. Religious extremism is fast growing in Pakistan and their first message is INTOLERANCE.

    Posted 1 year ago on 03 Mar 2011 14:13 #
  27. SufiSoul
    Member

    Do not say anything against molvis (both Brailvi or Deobandi) or risk losing your life. Religious extremism is fast growing in Pakistan and their first message is INTOLERANCE.

    helping blasphemy,american allies,helping drones,hitting drone effectees, are the main causes of losing one's life...i am sorry to say you still dont know the exact causes of this conflict.....

    Posted 1 year ago on 03 Mar 2011 14:18 #
  28. "You are saying your religion is a bad as extremist Christians and Hindus? Thanks for clarifying. Not that it was needed. Pretty obvious".

    yahya we are discussing extremists not religion. extremists are in all religion.

    Posted 1 year ago on 03 Mar 2011 16:37 #
  29. Recently, a lot of controversy has been associated with several different "sects" of Christianity. Most who are reading this have probably already heard the news regarding a "Christian Militia" based in places like Michigan, Ohio, Indiana etc. These self-proclaimed "anti-Christ fearing militants" were all eventually arrested after information over a plot to kill a police officer emerged. They call themselves The Hutaree, which accoring to Rachel Maddow is a made up term that they thought sounded good.

    Beginning Saturday evening, the FBI staged multiple raids across Michigan, Indiana, and Ohio to arrest nine members of an apocalyptic Christian militia who were allegedly conspiring to murder police officers, carry out terrorist atrocities, and initiate a war against United States. The initial raids captured eight of the suspects. The ninth was captured on Monday. Fortunately, every member was detained without bloodshed – no Ruby Ridge, no Waco, no pretext for revenge along the lines of Oklahoma City.

    Source: The Guardian (UK)

    This is unfortunately only one of the many Christian extremist groups making headlines today.
    http://my.firedoglake.com/chuckiecorra/2010/03/31/religious-extremism-and-misconceptions-how-current-christian-controversy-has-marred-the-faiths-beauty/
    ---
    http://www.express.com.pk/epaper/PoPupwindow.aspx?newsID=1101183380&Issue=NP_LHE&Date=20110304
    "The downside consequences of a nuclear-capable Pakistan that -- whose government collapses and is then in the hands of violent extremists or theocratic individuals is a huge, huge danger, globally and certainly for us," Admiral Mike Mullen Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said.
    http://www.indianexpress.com/news/nuclear-pakistan-in-extremists-hands-a-grave-threat/757157/

    Posted 1 year ago on 04 Mar 2011 5:23 #
  30. The death of Dr. George Tiller, while ghastly, comes as no surprise, as the past 28 years have seen an increase in ‘normalization’ of Christian extremism and a refusal by both the media and government to confront violent Christian fundamentalism. Yet a majority of the most horrific domestic terrorism and international war crimes committed by Americans have been done under the guise of Evangelical Christianity.

    http://www.prosebeforehos.com/government_employee/06/01/christian-extremism-is-undermining-america/

    • Eric Rudolph, who was motivated by his Catholicism to end the ‘abortion holocaust’, bombed the 1996 Atlanta Olympics, several abortion clinics, and a gay/**** club in Atlanta.

    • The Oklahoma City Bombing, the largest act of domestic terrorism in America’s history, was executed by survivalist and right-wing militia member Timothy McVeigh.

    • In 2003, while lobbying leaders to put together the Coalition of the Willing, President Bush spoke to France’s President Jacques Chirac. Bush wove a story about how the Biblical creatures Gog and Magog were at work in the Middle East and how they must be defeated. Bush told Chirac, “This confrontation is willed by God, who wants to use this conflict to erase his people’s enemies before a New Age begins”. [source]

    • Then Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld presented intelligence and defense reports on Iraq and Afghanistan to George W. Bush with cover pages dedicated to ‘militaristic passages of the Bible’:

    Former defense secretary Donald Rumsfeld routinely used militaristic passages from the Bible on the cover pages of White House intelligence documents, according to new revelations by GQ magazine….

    One republished on the GQ website came from March 31, 2003, showing a US tank roaring through the desert about 10 days after the United States invaded Iraq to topple the regime of Saddam Hussein. Over the image was printed a verse from Ephesians: “Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand.”

    Christian Tableeghi In U.S Army.

    Evangelical Christians in the military were caught distributing Bibles to Afghanis [source]

    All told, there have been over 600,000 civilians dead in Iraq and 80,000 civilians dead in Afghanistan, which have been viewed as little more than modern-day Christian crusades by the predominately Muslim victims

    Yet a majority of the most horrific domestic terrorism and international war crimes committed by Americans have been done under the guise of Evangelical Christianity.
    --------
    We are under attack by evangelical Christians we need hard line Muslims govt to protect us from extremist Christians/Hindus attack.
    Why Mike Mullen(American citizen) is interfering in Pakistan internal politics?

    Posted 1 year ago on 04 Mar 2011 6:10 #
  31. A just-in-time false-flag ???

    Frankfurt airport shooting: two killed in attack on US military bus
    and, as expected, this was followed by:
    Frankfurt attack may be linked to Islamism: prosecutor
    "May"? Isn't it exactly like "May NOT"? Then why (always) choose "May"????

    Posted 1 year ago on 04 Mar 2011 6:28 #
  32. Anonymous

    Why does it bother the german anyways?

    Posted 1 year ago on 04 Mar 2011 8:04 #
  33. It is bothering the whole world with terrible events happening in Pakistan in quick succession. We live in a global world and the world cannot shut eyes on deteriorating security situation and rapid rise of radical elements in Pakistan; unfortunately we have shut eyes as well as brain and do not care over the killings of moderate voices. Few weeks ago, it was a Governor, this week a Federal Minister. God knows who will be next target of these terrorists who are using religion to justify their terrorism.

    Armed terrorists are roaming free all over the country and they can strike anywhere anytime and can kill anyone. Mumtaz Qadri has become a religious national hero of these radical elements and I bet killer of Shabaz Bhatti will also become a hero in the eyes of both Deobandi and brailvi molvis.

    Posted 1 year ago on 04 Mar 2011 8:32 #
  34. junaid
    Member

    margalla ki pahariyon sai zaror inquilaab ayega. jubh tak pakistan mai german nisaad liberal rascals, secular animals or munafik maujood hain tubh tak revolution ko anay mai thora time lagay ga.

    Posted 1 year ago on 04 Mar 2011 10:35 #
  35. @junaid

    What happens if mullahs bring revolution from margalla ki pahariyon sai in our country? How bad our country will become?

    Criticizing Germans for telling the truth will not stop our society becoming an intolerant one. Whole world is worried about us. Due to rise of fasadi molvis and radical elements like Taliban, it is an undeniable fact our country/society is fast becoming an intolerant society.

    Posted 1 year ago on 04 Mar 2011 11:35 #
  36. World is in Great danger
    seems like RD is one of this madrasa student. No doubt Obama one of them.

    Posted 1 year ago on 04 Mar 2011 11:36 #
  37. shafiq12
    member

    sweettruth

    Due to rise of fasadi molvis and radical elements like Taliban,

    Taliban are the only horror and pain in your mind, Wait they r really come for you and they will put end to all your liberal desire. . You are suffering with sickness and horror of Taliban. Isn't it true?

    Posted 1 year ago on 04 Mar 2011 11:40 #
  38. @super soldier

    You are in love with Taliban death cult so how can I stop you savage loving animals of low breeding. You continue loving them and I will continue hating them. TTP, which is a Pakistan-based terror group of original Afghanistan-based Taliban mafia has also admitted killing Minister Shabaz Bhatti. What a shame you love Taliban animals who kill innocent people day in day out!!

    Posted 1 year ago on 04 Mar 2011 11:48 #
  39. junaid
    Member

    sweettruth
    "Whole world is worried about us."
    savage atheist, radical christians, fanatic jews are worried because they dont want to see the era of caliphate again.
    although, you wont agree with me because your the decedent of nawabs and the british colonists. keep on washing abundant british granted barracks; drag the tota parade of the colonist masters.

    Posted 1 year ago on 04 Mar 2011 11:52 #
  40. @junaid

    Yes it is true the whole world is deeply worried about us and the dangerous direction (growing extremism) our country is heading. This Khalifa business is the biggest topi drama of this century and reflects total authoritarian dictatorship of Religious Right. Blaming others for your own actions is nothing but running away from facts and you are doing nicely on this forum.

    I come from a noble family where my mother attended Aligarh University in the late 50’s and father went to Allahbad University in early 50’s. My parents taught me to respect everyone regardless of their religion, race, colour or beliefs. If you are getting so personal in attacking then I do not know where you come from. Extremists like you have Taliban mafia background with animal instincts. Stay away from attacking family background of other Blog users.

    Posted 1 year ago on 04 Mar 2011 12:11 #
  41. Christianity is a sect of Judaism

    It certainly started as a Jewish sect. We can see that from the Book of Acts. It appears that Jesus left the leadership of his sect to his brother, St. James, who lived and died an Orthodox Jew. It seems that it only began to move away from Judaism after the conversion of Paul who started preaching Christianity primarily to the Gentiles and was the first one who did not require gentiles to convert to Judaism in order to become Christians.

    Paul's successes caused St. Peter to change direction and join him in ministering to the gentiles. Within a few years, the Paul-Peter Christianity became the biggest sect of Christianity and they did not even appear to be Jews, while those who had followed the St. James line remained closer to Jews than they did to Paul and Peter. We have some evidence of their prayers which were in Hebrew and they differ little from the known Judaism of that period or even of today's Jewish prayers.

    Within 100 years, the St. James Christians had become a small minority that continued for a while until they were forced to become Orthodox Christians when the Roman Empire became Christian.
    http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080805105604AAWVR8K

    Is Christianity a Jewish sect?
    Yes, you are correct. That is why sometimes the term "Jeudo-Christian" is used in reference to their shared heritage and shared Torrah/Old Testament

    Jesus and all his disciples were jewish as were many of the early christian converts.

    Posted 1 year ago on 04 Mar 2011 17:09 #
  42. Radicals have already come into power in Pakistan and they are harassing every moderate person with their AK47. Two months ago they killed Governor Taseer and now this Minister. What a world we live in where killlers are glorified in public and outside courts. MQ is safe and may get released before next election. Our Political Right is planning to use MQ massively for their election campaign. If he gets released, he may join PML-N. Nawaz Sharif may offer him a Ministry post in his next Govt.

    Posted 1 year ago on 04 Mar 2011 17:28 #
  43. toamin
    member

    بہتر یہی ہوگا کہ اسلام کے نام پر بنانے والے ملک میں اسلام کا نفاذ کر دینا چاہئے، جمہوریت کے اصول پر ہی تو لوگوں نے اسلام کے نفاذ کے لئے پاکستان کو ووٹ دیا، تو پھر مسلہ کیا ہے

    چند ایک لبرل سیکولر لوگ ہیں تو ان کو کہیں نا کہیں ایڈجسٹ کر لیں گے، اور کچھ نہیں تو ٹٹی خانے صاف کروا لیں گے

    :)

    Posted 1 year ago on 04 Mar 2011 23:54 #
  44. Laws against Holocaust denial
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    Holocaust denial is illegal in a number of European countries.[1] Many countries also have broader laws that criminalize genocide denial. In addition, the European Union has issued a directive to combat racism and xenophobia, which makes provision for member states criminalising Holocaust denial, with a maximum prison sentence of between one and three years. Also, the Council of Europe's 2003 Additional Protocol to the Convention on Cyber Crime, concerning the prosecution of acts of a racist and xenophobic nature committed through computer systems includes an article entitled Denial, gross minimisation, approval or justification of genocide or crimes against humanity, although this does not have the status of law. Of the countries that ban Holocaust denial, a number (Austria, Germany, Hungary, and Romania) were among the perpetrators of the Holocaust, and many of these also ban other elements associated with Nazism, such as Nazi symbols.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_against_Holocaust_denial

    Posted 1 year ago on 05 Mar 2011 4:07 #
  45. @bitterlies

    "My parents taught me to respect everyone regardless of their religion, race, colour or beliefs"
    Is followed by:
    "I do not know where you come from. Extremists like you have Taliban mafia background with animal instincts."

    Wh@t a M*R*N!!!
    :)

    Posted 1 year ago on 05 Mar 2011 4:18 #
  46. lol..... actually yea Alahbadi and Aligarh ka mix style hay.

    Posted 1 year ago on 05 Mar 2011 5:35 #
  47. Posted 1 year ago on 05 Mar 2011 7:15 #
  48. Merkel Urges Germans: Stand Up for Christian Values

    Chancellor Angela Merkel urged Germans debating Muslim integration to stand up more for Christian values, saying Monday the country suffered not from “too much Islam” but “too little Christianity.”

    Addressing her Christian Democratic Union (CDU) party, she said she took the current public debate in Germany on Islam and immigration very seriously. As part of this debate, she said last month that multiculturalism there had utterly failed.

    Some of her conservative allies have gone further, calling for an end to immigration from “foreign cultures”—a reference to Muslim countries like Turkey—and more pressure on immigrants to integrate into German society.

    Merkel told the CDU annual conference in Karlsruhe that the debate about immigration “especially by those of the Muslim faith” was an opportunity for the ruling party to stand up confidently for its convictions.

    “We don’t have too much Islam, we have too little Christianity. We have too few discussions about the Christian view of mankind,” she said to applause from the hall.

    Germany needs more public discussion “about the values that guide us (and) about our Judeo-Christian tradition,” she said. “We have to stress this again with confidence, then we will also be able to bring about cohesion in our society.”
    http://www.amren.com/mtnews/archives/2010/12/merkel_urges_ge.php

    But her party looks set to pass a resolution Tuesday stressing that German culture has Judeo-Christian roots, an idea that critics say aims to marginalize Islam.

    The resolution says Germany’s cultural identity is based on the “Christian-Jewish tradition,” ancient and Enlightenment philosophy and the nation’s historical experience.

    “We expect that those who come here respect them and recognize them, while keeping their personal identity,” it says.
    ----
    "Angela Merkel is a evanglist, judeo-christian is evanglist slogan , Jews and Christians are two sides of same coin." Sister&Brother

    Posted 1 year ago on 05 Mar 2011 7:54 #
  49. One of the major problems Muslim immigrants face in Western countries in their integration and assimilation with local population and their culture. Germany faces the same problem as lots of Muslims do not try to integrate with local population in their new country.

    Lots of Muslims do not even have a single friend from their new adopted country. Majority of their women do not work and in fact lots of new immigrants disrespect local culture. If someone does not want to integrate in the culture of their new adopted country then what is the point of getting immigration of a Western country.

    Posted 1 year ago on 06 Mar 2011 10:24 #
  50. toamin
    member

    Point is economic opportunity, they don't go there to enjoy culture, they go there to earn bread & butter-

    Posted 1 year ago on 06 Mar 2011 10:30 #

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