yahya
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How an Australian doctor tried to help rape victims of Bangladesh
“I was trying to save of what have survived of the children born during the time that the West Pakistani army had Bengali women incarcerated in their commissariats.”– Dr. Geoffrey Davis
http://opinion.bdnews24.com/2010/12/15/1971-rape-and-its-consequences/
scindian
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40 citizens of Pakistan including prominent politicians, intellectuals and journalists. have been slected for Banladesh highest Civil awards
They include Sindhi nationalist leader G.M.Syed,
prominent politician of Balochistan Mir Ghous Bux Bizenjo, a famous poet of Sindh Shaikh Ayaz,
senior journalist and intellectual Tahira Mazhar Ali Khan and others.
http://www.thefrontierpost.com/News.aspx?ncat=ts&nid=1447&ad=21-12-2010
Some Pics of GM Syed with S Mujeeb rehaman
scindian
Member
unfortunatly dream Sir Allama Iqbal ended with scene of maga rapes in 1971.
Dear Yahya
"6 months => 26 weeks X 6 weekdays X 100 abortions per day = 15,600 abortions. This shows only the approximation of work by only one doctor!"
What more nonsense you can expect from BDNews24. This and other claims of millions of dead in 1971 war are just like claims of 6 Millions jews dead in concentration camps.
Now before you start jumping up and down and acuse me of ignorance, I have worked in Bangladesh and spent sometime discussing these issues with Bangladeshis. Even Bangladeshi admit that when Awami league comes to power these things are brought to media to get sympathy and this is old tactics of Awami League.
On a different note, if you ever go to bangladesh then also go to war museam in Dhaka and try to find out any pictures of Allama Iqbal, Quaid-e-Azam or anyother leader who was from west pakistan and even did not have anything to do with 1971. And you will definitely find the pictures of indian bengalis who were dead even before 1947.
FJ
yahya
Member
@Faarigh Jazbati: I know Bangladeshis too and they confirmed their elders were murdered.
You must have known Jamaat Islami there who took part in those atrocities.
Dusky
Member
@ Yahah, you mean Mukti Bahimi funded and controlled by indian army? ;)
yahya
Member
@Dusky:
"you mean Mukti Bahimi funded and controlled by indian army? ;)"
Were they? Why would a whole bunch of Muslims get support from Indian infidels unless the two nation theory was a sham and theory of Muslim brotherhood does not work?
The religious facade is not working, never has.
General Mankeshaw wrote a book in which has claimed that he recruited 80,000 Hindus to create the Mukti Bahni. These terrorists were dressed up in Pakistan Army uniform and raped and pillaged Pakistani Bengalis. They also were dressed up as civilians carrying out acts of sabotage against the civil and military government of Pakistan.
http://gauhar.com/?p=472
Dusky
Member
Yahya, Here goes your "Muslims get support from Indian infidels" theory...
Thanks Mirza Sahab.
quaidkamazaar
Member
well, you guys just need to speak to a few of your Bangladeshi brothers today to know the truth.
just ask them what happened... they have personal stories to tell and i really feel they mostly dont lie because it is so personal.
some of them hate Pakistanis to death because their aunts, mothers, grandmothers had been tortured by Pakistani army. while some of them got over it and are friendly.
aftab arif
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Two Bengali women – one from India, the other from Bangladesh – are now embroiled in a fierce controversy across the two countries for writing a book and producing a film that has upset Bengali nationalists and Indian officials, but given some cause of relief to the Pakistani military.
Dead Reckoning, written by Indian researcher Sarmila Bose, questions the historical narratives of the 1971 civil war that broke up Pakistan, but Bengali nationalist groups describe her as "an apologist for Pakistan's brutal military".
Meherjaan, directed by Bangladeshi film-maker Rubaiyat Hossain, is about the love of a Bengali woman for a Pakistani Baloch soldier in the backdrop of the 1971 war – but feminist groups in Bangladesh allege that the film "distorts the historical context of the liberation war".
Challenging narratives
Both the book and the film have hit the market at a time when Bangladesh's Awami League-led government has set up special tribunals for trying the "war criminals" of 1971.
The Awami League led Bangladesh's struggle for secession from Pakistan after the Pakistani military regime refused to hand over power to it even after it won a majority in Pakistan national assembly elections in 1970.
Shamsul Arefin, a war crimes trial official, told this writer that though Bengalis who collaborated with the Pakistan army are the ones to be actually tried, names of Pakistani soldiers and officers are likely to crop up with regard to massacres, mass rapes and arson during the trial.
"That will expose the real character of the Pakistani army which is now seen in the West as a key ally in the war against terror. So Pakistan's intelligence is desperate to scuttle the war crimes trials in Bangladesh," says Arefin, who served in the Pakistan army, then joined the Bengali Mukti Fauj (Freedom Force) during the civil war and finally served in the Bangladesh army.
"We have reasons to believe that there is a concerted campaign by Pakistani intelligence to disrupt and dilute our War Crimes Trial. I will not be surprised if they are commissioning projects to distort the realities of our liberation war," Arefin told this writer.
That's a rather strong charge but Sarmila Bose promptly dismisses.
"I am only trying to question the existing narratives of the 1971 war in view of data I have gathered while working for the book," Sarmila Bose told the audience at the Woodrow Wilson Centre in US, where the book was launched.
The entire book launch programme is available on the Internet.
Suspect data
Bose, a Bengali herself, is a grand daughter of India's independence war hero Subhas Chandra Bose, and is a senior research fellow at Oxford.
Her brothers, Sugato and Sumantra Bose, teach history and politics at Harvard and London School of Economics.
"I am only pointing to obvious exaggerations about the number of people killed or number of women raped by the Pakistan army. A war narrative is always the narrative of the victors, and 1971 was no different," Sarmila Bose said at the launch.
But some of her data is clearly suspect.
Dead Reckoning suggests there were only 20,000 Pakistani troops at the beginning of the civil war in East Pakistan, and that rose to 34,000 towards the end of the war.
"Bangladeshi narratives claim 400,000 women were raped by Pakistani troops during the civil war between March and December 1971, but how can 34,000 soldiers rape so many women in eight months," contends Sarmila Bose.
Indian historian Jayanta Ray, whose 1968 book Nationalism on Trial predicted the breakup of Pakistan, is furious at how an Oxford researcher like Bose could get basic facts wrong.
"Records indicate that just over 93,000 Pakistani soldiers surrendered to the Indian army in December 1971. They were all handed back to Pakistan. That's thrice the number Bose suggests, so is she fudging figures deliberately to prove that the number of rapes were much lower than suggested?" Professor Ray told this writer.
Bangladesh's anti-fundamentalist campaigner Shahriyar Kabir says that Red Cross officials in 1971 testified to treating nearly 200,000 rape victims.
"Many more women did not report for treatment out of shame and embarrassment," Kabir told this writer. "They bore their indignities silently."
A Calcutta-based Bengali channel, Mahua TV, ran a full hour discussion on the book, bringing together Bengalis from India and Bangladesh last Sunday.
Hundreds of listeners from both sides of the border called in to join the author-bashing.
The channel's executive editor, Subir Chakroborty, says Sarmila Bose's mother, Krishna Bose, a former member of Indian parliament, refused to join the panel.
"She told us her views on the liberation war were already known to everybody, so we put up in front of our cameras her newspaper article on the Bangladesh war. That was very sympathetic to the victims of 1971," Chakroborty said.
Allegations of bias
While Bangladeshis and Indian Bengalis are upset with Bose for "playing down the Pakistani atrocities", Indian officials are angry with her contention that "India was the only aggressor in 1971".
"We intervened militarily only after all possibilities of stopping the bloodbath failed. And when our forces entered East Pakistan, the Bengalis complained why we have been so late," says former chief of India's eastern fleet, Vice-Admiral Bimalendu Guha.
"How can she call us an aggressor," fumes Guha. "The Bengalis actually wanted us to intervene earlier to save themselves."
Former chief-of-staff of India's eastern army, Lieutenant General J.R. Mukherjee, goes a step further, who said:
She has very good reasons to defend the honour of the Pakistan army, which she describes as a professional and a brave force. Can I ask her why these brave soldiers surrendered to India in such a huge number? Even now, Pakistani troops keep surrendering to Taliban and other militants. Can you show one Indian soldier who has ever surrendered to a militant?
Professor Ray alleges that Bose is biased in use of sources.
"Her sources are primarily Pakistani. She has interviewed many Pakistani officers, but not those who were fighting them," says Professor Ray.
Particularly upset with Sarmila Bose are Bangladesh's vast numbers of "freedom fighters" – men from various walks of life who joined the "Mukti Fauj" to fight the Pakistanis in 1971.
"How can a Bengali, and that too from the family of one of our greatest leader like Subhas Bose, write such a horrible account that tries to defend Pakistan's brutal army. This is simply unacceptable," said Haroon Habib, a "freedom fighter" who later rose to head the country's government-sponsored news agency, Bangladesh Sangbad Sangstha (BSS).
No bookseller has so far put Dead Reckoning on their shelves in Bangladesh.
Even in Calcutta and other Bengali-dominated cities in India, the book is not to be seen.
"Bengalis across the border will only have hate for her," says Bimal Pramanik, a "freedom fighter" who now lives in India and runs a centre for research on India-Bangladesh relations. "She is untruthful and with a purpose."
Sarmila Bose denies all charges flung at her and says she has only "tried to correct the course of contemporary history". A claim few will endorse in Bangladesh or Indian Bengal.
Stereotypes versus truth
Rubaiyat Hossain's Meherjaan is innocuous by comparison, but it has generated as much angst in a country which prides its Bengali heritage and where the atrocities of the Pakistan army is still recent memory.
Bangladesh's official history says nearly three million Bengalis – Hindus, Muslims and Christians – died in the 1971 civil war, and nearly half a million women were raped.
"I liked the movie, but since I am a freedom fighter and scores of my friends disliked the film, I decided to withdraw it from cinema halls in Bangladesh," says Habibur Rehman Khan, the distributor of Meherjaan.
That means the film will make no money, despite a a cast of stars from India, like Jaya Bachan and Victor Banerji – both Bengalis, but big in Bollywood.
Bangladeshi feminist groups say the film trivialises the atrocities on women by the Pakistani army when it runs the story of Meher, a Bengali girl who falls in love with a Pakistani soldier, and is then humiliated by her family when this is discovered.
"I was raped several times by Pakistani soldiers, and I cannot stand this soft corner for Pakistanis in the film," said sculptor Ferdous Priyabashini.
Rubaiyat Hossain is candid about her woes.
"I tried to break out of the stereotype of the Bengali hero versus Pakistani brute in the backdrop of the 1971 war, and that is what my countrymen are so upset with," she said.
"What she thinks is stereotype is actually the truth. The Pakistanis killed us like flies and raped our women like beasts. They even massacred our intellectuals just before they surrendered," said Awami League's minister Jehangir Kabir Nanak.
Unlike Japan or Germany apologising for their military excesses during the Second World War, Pakistan has not apologised for the atrocities of its army in 1971.
Many liberal Pakistanis, including cricket hero Imran Khan, want Islamabad to do so and bury the bad blood of 1971.
But the Pakistan army top brass refuses to oblige.
Until that happens, neither Dead Reckoning nor Meherjaan will find admirers in Bangladesh - or in Indian Bengal.
http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2011/04/2011429174141565122.html
@aftab
Perhaps you missed this one:
Mujeeb’s daughter admits her father was a traitor, says Indian helped him raise an Indian-backed terror militia that raped and plundered in order to malign Pakistan Army
India’s advocates in Washington and London have argued for years that Pakistan is the source of tension with India. They conveniently forget where it all started: the unilateral and unprovoked and premeditated Indian invasion of Pakistan in 1971, preceded by careful planning over two years to recruit a terror militia and spread violence and mayhem to engage local Pakistan Army units in East Pakistan, paving the way for a direct Indian military invasion, which was a one-sided violation of international law. India is an aggressor in the South Asia region. Pakistan’s policymakers are right in demanding a mindset change in New Delhi for peace to prevail.
By Monjurul Hassan
The Daily MailDHAKA, Bangladesh—For the past 39 years politicians and the ’Blame Pakistan first’ crowd have blamed Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto for saying “Humm iddhar tum uddhar” (a quote attributed to Mr. Bhutto that means, ‘You stay there and we stay here, a quote which has since been refuted as bogus), and blamed the Pakistan Army for the attack on the Indian-backed Mukti Bahni terrorists on March 23 as the reason for the creation of Bangladesh.
Ms. Hasina Mujib the daughter of former East Pakistan politician Sheikh Mujib Ur Rehman has now confessed that her father Sheikh Mujib had planned to secede from Pakistan in 1969–two years before the March 23 ‘military action’ against Indian saboteurs and their misguided supporters among disgruntled East Pakistanis.
General Mankeshaw wrote a book in which has claimed that he recruited 80,000 Hindus to create the Mukti Bahni. These terrorists were dressed up in Pakistan Army uniform and raped and pillaged Pakistani Bengalis. They also were dressed up as civilians carrying out acts of sabotage against the civil and military government of Pakistan.
Sheikh Hasina Mujib’s confession [See report below] sheds new light on the events of March 23, 1971, because it proves that the Agartala Conspiracy was a real conspiracy sponsored by India against Pakistan and that the then President of Pakistan Ayub Khan had rightly described Sheikh Mujib Ur Rehman as a traitor.
After breaking up Pakistan and declaring independence thanks to direct Indian military intervention, the Indian-backed Mujib regime killed more than 30 thousand Pakistani Bengali patriots who opposed Indian takeover. Mr. Mujib’s first actions were to surrender the natural resources of Bangladesh to India. This includes water. These actions by the pro-Indian regime caused the man-made famine of 1974, in which three to five hundred thousand people perished, according to reports.
Mujib suppressed all democratic rights and unleashed a reign of terror. His main concern was to contain a population that was just waking up from the disaster and did not accept the breakup of Pakistan. In the above circumstances, according to some, Bangladesh faced extinction as an independent nation and was about to become a vassal state of Indian hegemonists.
The coup of 15 August 1975 saved the situation to a large extent and it was widely supported by the people. On August 14, 1975, Bangladeshi nationalists buried secularism deep into the Bay of Bengal. Today Bangladesh faces new threats from India. After failing to take over Bangladesh in real terms, India is forcing a transit policy on a defenseless Bangladesh. The transit facilities that India is demanding would clog existing Bangladeshi road links and pose a security threat to Bangladesh.
PLANNED INDIAN AGGRESSION AGAINST PAKISTAN
Bangladesh’s founding leader Sheikh Mujibur Rahman had made detailed plans for secession from Pakistan during a stay in London in 1969, his daughter and Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina has said.
Sheikh Mujib discussed his plans at a meeting held a few months after his release from prison following a prolonged trial in the Agartala conspiracy case in which then Pakistan government had brought sedition charges against him and 34 others, Hasina told a meeting Sunday.
They were charged with conspiring to separate from the then East Pakistan with help from neighbor India. Agartala is the capital of Tripura state in northeastern India. Political analysts say her disclosure, reinforced by the claim of her own presence at the meeting, could be a scoring point in the ongoing debate on who actually declared the country’s independence, or separation from Pakistan.
Mujib’s role is disputed by opposition leader Khaleda Zia. Zia’s supporters claim that it was her husband and then Pakistan Army major Ziaur Rahman who had first broadcast a freedom speech.
Referring to this debate, Hasina urged all to go through the reports of intelligence agencies and foreign ministries of different countries. Mujib, who became Bangladesh’s president, was assassinated in August 1975. Ziaur Rahman, who became the army chief and later the president, was assassinated in 1981. Siffy News. Mujib planned separation from Pakistan in 1969.
Sheikh Mujib met an ignominious end on 14th August 1975, when Bharati conspiracies to absorb Bangladesh into Bharat were buried deep into the Bay of Bengal. On that day Bengali patriots killed the traitor who had declared himself “dactator for life” and banned all Bangladeshi political parties.
Bengali patriots killed Shaikh Mujib who was seen as an Indian agent and a sell out to Delhi. Bangaldeshis revolted against the Indian imposed “Rakhi Bahni” (run by a sitting Indian General) and rose against the so called “Treaty of Friendhsip” whose aim was to absorb Bengal into India. Shaikh Mujib’s body lay in the streets of days. It was Awami League of Sheikh Mujibur Rahman that mortgaged the national independence and state sovereignty signing the 25 years long-term unequal treaty with India. By creating Rakkhi Bahini, Lal Bahini, Sheccha Shebok Bahini and other private Bahinis AWAMI-BKSALISTS unleashed an unbearable reign of terror killing 40000 nationalists and patriotic people with out any trial. Ishaan Tharoor in an article in Time magazine published on Nov. 20, 2009 “To outsiders, this celebration of a justice [death penalty for mutiny against Mujib) long deferred may seem a bit too rapturous. But it cuts at the heart of the political traumas that have plagued Bangladesh since its bloody independence from Pakistan in 1971. Mujib had been President of the new country for just four years before a coup hatched by disgruntled military officers, some of whom harbored Islamist or pro-Pakistani sentiments, led to his assassination and the installation of a military government. Since then, Bangladesh has endured a succession of army-run regimes, as well as a period of dysfunctional democratic rule marred by corruption and partisan bickering.
Yes; my father did break Pakistan, confesses BD Premier
Daily Mail Monitoring
Sunday, 7 March 2010Dhaka—Bangladesh’s Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina Wajid has confessed that her father Sheikh Mujibur Rahman was a traitor who formed a detailed conspiracy to break Pakistan into 2 pieces with the help of the Indian government during his stay in London in 1969.
Hasina was addressing a discussion in Dhaka to mark the ‘March 7,1971’ speech of mutiny, in which Sheikh Mujib called on the people of East Pakistan to prepare for the secession from the rest of Pakistan.
She said that her father made separation plans just months after his release from Kurmitola where he had been detained in the Agartala Conspiracy Case, in which the Pakistan government had brought sedition charges against him and 34 others.
“He went to London on October 22 1969, following his release in the Agartala case on April 22 that year. I reached London the next day from Italy, where I was living with my husband,” she recalled.
“It was there that my father at a meeting made plans for separating West Pakistan from East Pakistan, including when the war would start, where our fighters would be trained and where refugees would take shelter.”
“All preparations were taken there (London). I was serving tea and entered the room several times where the meeting between my father and some Indian officials was being held. I heard their discussions,” the Prime Minister said.
Referring to the recent debate over who first proclaimed Bangladesh’s independence, she urged all to go through the reports of intelligent agencies and foreign ministries of different countries.
She also said the Aug 15 1975 assassination of her father and family members, and the Jail Killings of four national leaders on Nov 3 the same year, were planned by those defeated in the war to take revenge for their defeat.
“Those who rewarded the killers had never expected Bangladesh’s independence. They wanted to impose the principles of the defeated forces on the people,” she added.
shriq
Member
Contrary to your experience, I met Bengalis who were VERY friendly and even prayed for Pakistan.
You keep on believing what you do!
Hussain Farooqui
Member
SE Mirza
Definitely, the military operation by irresponsible and senseless generals like Tikka Khan really pushed the situation to disasters. However, the figures of atrocities have been exaggerated by the Indian backed propagandists.
It is a media failure to expose the atrocities committed by the Indian army during their operation over Hyderabad Daccan. More than 200,000 people were killed and thousands of Muslim & Hindu women were raped. The wildest rapists in the tragedy of Hyderabad Daccan were Sikh soldiers of the Indian army.
Our another media failure is in the case of Kashmir also.More than 80,000 people have been killed and hundreds of women have been raped. We know these facts and figures, but very meagre percentage of the Indian atrocities is exposed to the world.
Raavi
My experience with the Bengalis to similar to yours. They are mostly friendly with Pakistanis.
^Contrary to your belief... I still do have a friend (from East Pakistan, who thinks like a Pakistani, since we were school mates (He was (still alive) son of a Lt Col- Pak army,1964) We were classmates studying in a roman catholic convent (In that convent, with a few others, I was a boarding student because my parents were in Bahrain)
Now he is a big shot but still my friend. We are in touch with eachother most of the times (even after creation of Bangladesh).The times we have seen, observed and experienced/witnessed, media can never be a replacement.
Live with the facts that Mukti Bahni, Shanti Bhani were shady groups (not forgetting that East Pakistan in those times did had a local hindu population within the tune of 15 to 20%- dig deep into the term 'dhakka passport' a favourite crossover point for EP Bangalis to crossover into Indian Bengal all for training purpose)
1971 Rape and its consequesnce is a thread that fails to grasp what happened before 1970 related to Dhaka Fall. A thread opened with a sole purpose to undermine Pakistan and Pakistanis including its defence (the armed forces of Pakistan).
Why not to close this thread for good?
Hussain Farooqui
Member
SE Mirza
We have seen by ourselves how mismanaged the military operation of Baluchistan and Karachi have been. Definitely, East Pakistan operation was also an mismanaged and mishandled one.
shafiq12
member
A perfect family system is necessary to overcome the problem of rape.
Key figure is Tikka Khan. Yahya was misguided (being stoned most of the time, thats why was easy to be influenced by a born feudal) same as Ayub Khan subjected to the same influencing indirect behaviour (by the same person)...any archives refering to the removal of Foreign Minister of Pakistan from his post...
Tikka Khan in East Pakistan, and Tikka Khan in Baluchistan.......army offensive? Kindly dig out the facts. Why were nepalms dropped (air force moved) on Baluch awam disregarding Geneva conventions and by whom?
Did hamood ur rehman commission missed on this one too?
shriq
Member
Tempted to say 'close it please' Mirza sahib!
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