60 masked men attack secondary school girls in Pindi for not wearing hijab

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gv
Member

how come no one is interested in this

how is this acceptable behaviour ?

http://tribune.com.pk/story/269918/dress-modestly-masked-men-enter-girls-school-thrash-students/

http://tribune.com.pk/story/271416/attack-on-girls-school-police-refuse-to-take-action-against-morale-brigade/

Posted 7 months ago on 13 Oct 2011 9:57 #
scandinavian
Member

Of course it is not an acceptable behavior! Any sensible person will condemn such acts. The culprits could be two types of criminals:

- Fanatic mullah brigade
- Hired people who works for people who wants to make a case.

I cannot know for sure, but the Pakistani society in general is tolerant and hence I believe "someone" is interested in "proving" a point.

Posted 7 months ago on 13 Oct 2011 10:37 #
gv
Member

@scandi

but they were children 7-13 year olds its not even a college and in Pindi of all places

why use children to prove a point - sometimes i really wonder about us as a people/society.....

and no one is moving to punish the perpretrators

and why do none of our more verbose members want to comment on this - thats whats' really annoying.. its like who cares?

Posted 7 months ago on 13 Oct 2011 10:42 #
haider3
member

gv, who says we don't care? Of ocurse we care, but what is there to be done about it for the moment? So much evil has entered this country on all levels, we cannot mend anything at the moment. But the evil, too, will pass away. And on that day we'll start rebuilding our fortresses of strength and virtue.

Posted 7 months ago on 13 Oct 2011 11:16 #
shafiq12
member

Mirza Ghalib
sure, it isn't acceptable behavior but i would like to hear your opinion in following points --- Do you think it is acceptable behavior in society
1. immodesty of women
2. Women displaying their parts in public
3. Advertising of women
4. prostitution of women
5. Sale girls / models etc
6. Women in films/dramas in form of sex scence
7. Women in form of girlfriend
8. Women in tv program as showpiece to attract audience
9. Women in sale shop to attract customers
10. Women in songs/movies/daramas/music to keep this business smooth...

Do you think it is acceptable, this important figure of society, which serves as institution to children, brainwashed in such a way that she would forget her true responsibility :-

Don't get me wrong i ain't supporting anything here --- Just want hear some remarks

Posted 7 months ago on 13 Oct 2011 11:33 #
sasherwani
Members

@ Oblivion,

You must be given a PHD in content-analysis for your wonderful comparison of an innocent 7 year old being tortured for not wearing a hijab with a grown woman in a movie performing a sex scene.

We need people like you ;)

Posted 7 months ago on 13 Oct 2011 11:42 #
ajhons
Member

Oblivion

Before MG responds I just like to add that whatever you wrote is true to core, no one is denyng this.Its not the problem which people differ with, its the approach towards solution.A sensible approach of solution is the only way to get things in right shape otherwise we will see more mumtaz qadris and Salman Taseers.

Why a cinema house featuring indian movies or a five star hotel holding catwalks is not attacked so far.

Posted 7 months ago on 13 Oct 2011 11:44 #
shafiq12
member

sashwerwani
don't act like kids --- My post represents women as general in society, you can include children in it or not ---

See, if you brainwash these kid, to display their parts then they wouldn't hesitate in displaying their parts --- If you tell your kids that modesty is best then they would act as modest --- If you choose corruption for your kid then she would prefer corruption ---
I hope your free thinking would see these close result
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ajhons

Why a cinema house featuring indian movies or a five star hotel holding catwalks is not attacked so far.

That isn't my problem, i ain't supporting the attackers and mode of their violence--- I am supporting their motive "dress modestly" -----

Posted 7 months ago on 13 Oct 2011 12:03 #
sasherwani
Members

@ Oblivion,

Thanks for sharing your wisdom buddy. I was out of toilet paper anyway.

Posted 7 months ago on 13 Oct 2011 12:12 #
ajhons
Member

I am supporting there motive "dress modestly".

Well brother majority of the pakistani even parents of those trumatized children also, hopefully, support you.

Honestly speaking there must be a crackdown on channels also for their big share in promoting imorality and potraying it as a norm of the civilized society.

PS I'm not talking about action taken by self proclaimed preachers of morality or simply the idiot religious fanatics I'm talking about something govt. should take notice of

Posted 7 months ago on 13 Oct 2011 12:12 #
shafiq12
member

Thanks for sharing your wisdom buddy. I was out of toilet paper anyway.

Ah, i know, freethinker like you who live in the world of pleasure, would disagree---- Your freethinking starts with parts of women and ends on parts of women, that's why you disagree with me, Men like you use this freedom to flourish their business, on the other hand, When it comes to defend women, your kind doesn't stand for dignity and honour of women --- They clap at the stage watching their performance --- Alas sasherwani, a man like shouldn't look like that
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ajhons

thanks ;)

Posted 7 months ago on 13 Oct 2011 12:31 #
LifeH2O
Member

Just wait and see both (immodest women and mullah brigade) mindless freaks changing.

Posted 7 months ago on 13 Oct 2011 12:46 #
sasherwani
Members

@ Oblivion,

Thanks for calling me a free-thinker. I dont mind compliments even if they come from Jack in a dark gloomy box.
I will read the rest of your thoughts whenever I need more toilet paper.

Posted 7 months ago on 13 Oct 2011 13:47 #
stingingnettle
Member

I am intrigued; why were they masked? Not men enough to show their faces?

It is utterly reprehensible for anyone to force their idea of morality and modesty on others. I couldn't find the words to condemn these **** properly but I hope they burn in hell one day.

Sasherwani; you make reasonable and rational points.

Oblivion; The thread for sermonising is a different one. The place for people like you is Somalia where everyone is pious, pure and uncontaminated. Get your inhaler out because here comes a Biblical reference for you;

'Do unto others as you want done unto yourself.' Too deep for you? This is what Hazrat Eisa said but you probably think he didn't because you were there to witness it.

Here is another question for you; What would you do if your had the following neighbours; A Hindu family, A Christian family, A aetheist family and A Qadiani family? Kill them all or just kill yourself? Or even better just return to The Emirate of Pure and Clean Believers, aka Somalia?

So a bit more preaching in the right thread; this is for dialogue not ranting.

ps. How do you know that women get up to all the stuff you mention? Experience or just hearsay?

To everyone;

There is no moral, religious or philosophical justification of this act of extreme cowardice. This is why religion and politics are the devil's own brew. Do not bring Islam into this; just common sense tells you that the poor students suffered an unjust criminal attack, full stop.

Mirza Ghalib;

Too much fatalism, I thought in your comment. Evil is not pass away like a cloud, we need to do something about it.

Posted 7 months ago on 13 Oct 2011 14:15 #
gv
Member

@all

None of our so called leaders from IK to Nawazu have bothered to condemn the incident publicly - or pressurise the govt to take action...

Zardari's too bloody scared to step out of his house so there's no point expecting anything from him but the other so called leaders are proven just as bad

@mg

yes you are being a bit escapist and fatalistic but that does not surprise me - your ire is too focused on bringing down Memnon and his ilk

@sasherwani

good to see you again

@stinging nettle

you do not understand oblivion he does not promote violence or aggression but condemns 'immorality' and suggests that once all of us heathens get our collective acts together things will automatically improve

Posted 7 months ago on 13 Oct 2011 15:16 #
aftab arif
Member

When the state does not care about it's common folk and are involved in criminal activity themselves, then any tom, dlck and harry will get up and force his interpretation of religion on you.

Posted 7 months ago on 13 Oct 2011 15:52 #
Hussain Farooqui
Member

These all are the gifts of the Afghan war, which Zia's government fought in the best interest of America. 60 billion dollars poured into Pakistan during the Soviet-Afghan war. The beneficiaries were Army Generals and Political Mullahs. The nation is paying back those 60 billions with multi-folds interests.

Posted 7 months ago on 13 Oct 2011 16:15 #
scandinavian
Member

@gv

"None of our so called leaders from IK to Nawazu have bothered to condemn the incident publicly - or pressurise the govt to take action..."

That doesn't mean that IK and NS support such atrocities. I am sure both will condemn such atrocities. As MG sb. mentioned there are so MANY ugly incidents/atrocities in our society that it will maybe be a full time time to condemn those acts.

About proving a point to kill children. Are you saying that only mullahs can commit atrocities?

No sane person can do anything else than condemn such acts of terrorism!

Posted 7 months ago on 13 Oct 2011 16:15 #
Hussain Farooqui
Member

Scandinavian

If Imran thinks that the Talibans or their doctrines are correct, he may be right.

Why does he not adopt their style of living?

He must also force his ladies for wearing burqas and he must himself grow a big beard. Talibans are extremely against the people who are living with Imran's style.

Posted 7 months ago on 13 Oct 2011 16:19 #
gv
Member

@scandi

but they havent - its not exactly an everyday occurence is it?

The newspapers are reporting so its obviously public - the newspapers are also saying that the police arent willign to do anything about -so what the hell are nawazu and immi for if not addressing issues like this

Posted 7 months ago on 13 Oct 2011 16:25 #
scandinavian
Member

@gv

Honestly, I don't know why none have done, but I still doubt that anyone can do anything else than condemn the heinous act!

Posted 7 months ago on 13 Oct 2011 16:31 #
Hussain Farooqui
Member

gv

Our politicians are inhumanly selfish. They will raise or suppress voice as per their political interests.

Posted 7 months ago on 13 Oct 2011 16:32 #
gv
Member

@Scandi

People in the opposition like IK/Nawazu can agigate against the govt to force them to take strict action so people think twice before trying this kind of thing again

People in the govt can instruct the police/army to round up the perpretators and punish them so nobody thinks it is that easy to target innocent school children

essentially their silence says that people with power and influence either dont care or condone the act and will encourage more incidents like this

Posted 7 months ago on 13 Oct 2011 16:34 #
gv
Member

@hf

i know that the usual suspects a to z and nawazu are beyond all hope but people claim that IK is different and im waiting to see him prove that is really true

Posted 7 months ago on 13 Oct 2011 16:36 #
Hussain Farooqui
Member

gv

Imran's rhetoric claims about the results of lawyers' movement can't be forgotten. He does not have any moral courage to question CJ about his rhetoric promises.

What is the outcome of the restoration of judiciary?

Billions of rupees and hundreds of lives were sacrificed for restoring a useless Chief Justice and his useless judiciary.

Posted 7 months ago on 13 Oct 2011 16:41 #
scandinavian
Member

@gv

"People in the opposition like IK/Nawazu can agigate against the govt to force them to take strict action so people think twice before trying this kind of thing again"

I doubt it very much. We have too far incidents not taken care of. Many human lives has been lost due to government failures. The list is so long that I even dare not start it.

Anyways the issue needs to addressed and high lighted!

Posted 7 months ago on 13 Oct 2011 16:43 #
Abdul Rahman
Member

We certainly don't need vigilantes but the immodesy of woman should not be tolerated. Training of woman starts at very early age and one visitor from Iran pointed to a 5 year old girl without hijab in Jeddah and said you cannot find a small girl like this without hijab in Teheran. That was several years back and I don't know the situation now. It has been proven in several instances that a woman wearing hijab is less susceptible to be attacked. Hijab is protection and not oppression of woman. When you lok at mind boggling census in West, a woman is raped every 30 secons in America even after wpam is supposed to be "emancipated".

Posted 7 months ago on 13 Oct 2011 16:46 #
aftab arif
Member

@ Abdul Rahman

Your comment about women being raped in the West is nothing to do with Hijab, but rather to do with women putting themselves in vulnerable positions, like going out at night, getting drunk and then deciding to walk home on there own.

Posted 7 months ago on 13 Oct 2011 17:01 #
Abdul Rahman
Member

Aftab,

I was talking about a real incident of a Woman wearing hijab in America. It has very much to do with hijab which is a sign of modesty. There are scores of American woman converting to Islam and wearing not only hijab but niqab after looking at the decadent life style that really oppresses and de-humanizes Woman.

Posted 7 months ago on 13 Oct 2011 17:06 #
aftab arif
Member

@ Abdul Rahman

I have no doubts about the benefits of wearing Hijab/Nikab but i don't believe the sole reason you will be raped is because you don't wear the Hijab.

Why should any individual go and intimidate/threaten others about what they can/can't wear is beyond me, mind your own business.

Posted 7 months ago on 13 Oct 2011 17:14 #
Abdul Rahman
Member

what they can/can't wear is beyond me, mind your own business.

This applies to Western secular societies. When the injunctions came from the Creator then everyone started wearing hijab and continue to this day unless you are secular western mindset. We don't have concept of "mind my own business".

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/20/AR2006102001259_2.html

Posted 7 months ago on 13 Oct 2011 17:41 #
aftab arif
Member

Oh really how about there being 'no compulsion' in Islam, what the person chooses to do, or in this case wear, is his choice to make.

Posted 7 months ago on 13 Oct 2011 17:48 #
Abdul Rahman
Member

'no compulsion'

That phrase is loosely translated from Divine Book that says Lakum Deenakum waliu Deen. Deen is much more than religion as practiced in West. It is every aspect of life from cradle to grave. So, it in in matter of faith my friend. In the case feel free to be a unbeliever and get out of pale of Islam rather than pretending to be a Believer. No questions asked. no compulsion.

Posted 7 months ago on 13 Oct 2011 17:56 #
Dusky
Member

@oblivion:
"
1. immodesty of women
2. Women displaying their parts in public
3. Advertising of women
4. prostitution of women
5. Sale girls / models etc
6. Women in films/dramas in form of sex scence
7. Women in form of girlfriend
8. Women in tv program as showpiece to attract audience
9. Women in sale shop to attract customers
10. Women in songs/movies/daramas/music to keep this business smooth..."

You can replace "Women" with "Men" in pretty much each point you made and they will stand correct.

So why this restriction for "Women" only? Or your version of Islam have different set of rules for "Women" and "Men"??

Beside who is the buyer of the commodity name "Women" as per your list of condemnations? Why don't religious fundos go after those "Men" who are the very basic reason for the misery of "Women"?

Posted 7 months ago on 13 Oct 2011 18:16 #
aftab arif
Member

@ Abdul Rahman

My point is if someone chooses to do wrong, then that his/her choice too make, and if against Islam they they will be punished for it in the next life, not by the so called defenders of the faith who BTW went into school and threatened girls who were gair-mehram in relation too them.

Posted 7 months ago on 13 Oct 2011 18:19 #
Abdul Rahman
Member

and if against Islam they they will be punished for it in the next life

Punishment is punishment whether it is evil like murder, rape or doing haraam by going against injuction of Islam. Some are light punishment and some are harsh depending upon crime. In that case why punishment only for murder? Why not punish in after life. Islam tries to build a society free of any crime and in orde to reach that goal has injuctions provided by Shariah Law that has to be followed. Unfortunately we are following laws made by British and hence so much crime and murder and vigilante behavior as this thread indicates.

Posted 7 months ago on 13 Oct 2011 18:35 #
Sharif Aadmi
Member

So Abdul Rehman,

If someone doesn't agree or abide by your interpretation of islam , he/she be punished , tortured, raped ? Right ?

Posted 7 months ago on 13 Oct 2011 19:52 #
spruce
Member

if they are loyal with islam then they should have started from heera mundi to stop the crimes,curruption where most of society is currupt but attacking on teen students and fearing them to wear hijaab is not a brave decesion by so called custodian of islam.

as a muslim it is responsibility to every muslim to obey the order of Allah and his messenger(Saw).

if we will not teach our children basics of islam this means we are worshipper of anti islam forces.

Posted 7 months ago on 13 Oct 2011 20:40 #
Abdul Rahman
Member

Aadmi,

There is only one interpretation of Islam based on Quran and Hadith. There is no mine or yours. We have all record crystal clear to follow. The Quran has been completed and Prophet SAS made it clear in front of 100,000 companions that " Today, I have completed the deen". So there is no ambiguity. That true interpretaion of Islam led Muslims to lead the world until recently and it will be same interpretaion that will lead us back to the deen.

If there are more than one interpretaion then we have to look in the mirror and ponder, evaluate and correct what is wrong with us.

Posted 7 months ago on 13 Oct 2011 21:07 #
Sharif Aadmi
Member

Abdul Rehman,

"
There is only one interpretation of Islam based on Quran and Hadith

"

This is what u think and believe. Don't u know that how muslims of different school of thoughts killing each other for last 1400 yrs ? Why they were fighting ? And why today we have bravlivi , wahahbi , deobandi , shia , sunni divide ? Isn't different interpretation of islam ?

Posted 7 months ago on 13 Oct 2011 21:40 #
Sharif Aadmi
Member

Abdul Rehman
"
There is only one interpretation of Islam based on Quran and Hadith.
"

Even for a moment i conceede to your argument , does it justify killing , torturing , raping of non-followers ?

Posted 7 months ago on 13 Oct 2011 21:41 #
stingingnettle
Member

Abdul Rehman;

"There is only one interpretation...."

I have no difficulty with you living your life by that belief as long as you do not pontificate to others. Enjoy your religiosity and live in any way you like as long as you do not try and impose your thinking or way of life on your Christian, Jewish, Woman, Shia, Sunni, Whabi, Buddist, Hindu, Parsi or just plain old pagan neighbour. When someone needs direction, I am sure you will hear a knock on your door. That is all there is to it. Live and let live.

Just as you would not like to be told by a fundamentalist pagan or Christian who to live or reform you life, neither do other people. There is no such thing as pure Islam or a pure muslim, so you can't even tell muslims how to live. You are answerable ONLY for your own sins so I suggest you stay away from sinning.

You do not need an Islamic interpretation to know that what happened in Pindi is indefensible and wrong.

Lastly this debate is not about Islam or preaching, it's about the criminal behaviour of some thugs who couldn't even show their faces let alone do something brave.

The bravest thing for a human to do is to teach someone how to write, read, do Maths, do science and how to be kind to others without the prerequisite of converting them first.

Posted 7 months ago on 13 Oct 2011 21:49 #
Abdul Rahman
Member

Aadmi, Who is killing whom?

No one justified killing inocents. It is forbidden evening in case of war. The one who has killed half billion in last 200 years is the Western World.

Murad Hofman , German Ambassador who embraced Islam has this to say:

Half billion human beings killed by West in last 200 years due to colonialsim, slave trading, extermination of native populations, Savage World wars, atomic bombs. Please read his Book-Islam the alternative available in major bookstores all over the world. Please google his name and read: Islam and the West.

Posted 7 months ago on 13 Oct 2011 21:52 #
stingingnettle
Member

Sharif Aadmi

You talk common sense and make perfect sense to me. When people can only argue from within the circle then they can't see other persons point of view.

You make a good observation about the blood soaked history of Islam. Lets keep our words small lest we should have to eat them.

Some people suffer from paralysing self-righteousness and piety and the worst people for this are the mullahs and the preachers.

Posted 7 months ago on 13 Oct 2011 21:54 #
Sharif Aadmi
Member

Abdul Rahman

i said " killing , torturing , raping "

And if u can't find this happening in the opening item of this thread, what can i say ?

Posted 7 months ago on 13 Oct 2011 21:57 #
Abdul Rahman
Member

Aadmi,

I will refrain from comment about the attack on the school. The media is spewing lies and we cannot be sure what is the truth. We need to be extra careful as we are living in an age when unfortunately the lies concocted by the so called super power of the day about WMD, propogated world wide by the pharoanic media led to occupation and killing millions and obliterating a country. Whenever there is some "news" we should not accept it at all. Or we should read between the lines to try to figure out the truth.

Posted 7 months ago on 13 Oct 2011 21:59 #
haider3
member

Oblivion, I certainly do not believe in immodesty in any form or shape for women. And the same applies to the men of the species as Dusky so rightly pointed out. But to have some 60 masked men attacking young girls on grounds of their not wearing the hijab is also nothing I can countenance. It is none of their business, I'd say, and by doing so they did more harm than good.

gv, stingingnettle, you both accused me of fatalism and escapism. Right, sure such an interpretation is wholly possible. What I actually meant, however, was inevitable political changes had to come about first before we could hope to avoid incidents such as the one described in this thread.

Posted 7 months ago on 13 Oct 2011 22:04 #
Sharif Aadmi
Member

Abdul Rehman
"
led to occupation and killing millions and obliterating a country
"

How did u come to know of killing so millions ? Whats your source apart from media ?

Posted 7 months ago on 13 Oct 2011 22:05 #
Abdul Rahman
Member

Aadmi,

You have shown and proven how the lies cause havoc in the society. Thiis is exactly the modus operandi of the media in proliferation of lies presented as "news".

Even if we assume the article to be true for argument sake, there is absolutely no mention of any killing, torture or rape. What are you reading? Why are you misrepresenting the "news" story as pasted above?

The news about killings of millions Iraq is not by corrupt politicians but by non-profit non -governmental organizations, doctors, human rights advocates, humnaitarian aid groups and those who are in the field. Even United Nations said that more than 1,000,000 Iraqi children died due to illegal sanctions.

Posted 7 months ago on 13 Oct 2011 22:05 #
Sharif Aadmi
Member

Abdul Rehman

Now assume for a moment , that this news is correct, would u condemn it ?

Just for a moment assume

Posted 7 months ago on 13 Oct 2011 22:05 #