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A call of Jihad by Pen

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  1. In present day and time; we find that Jihad with pen is more important and a bigger Jihad than by sword. This was told some one hundred years ago by the Promised Messiah Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmed (as); founder of Ahmadiyya movement in Islam. This was a new concept introduced by him in the age and time, when Jihad with sword was the order of the day. In the Muslim world the centuries old concept of war by sword was also thought to be the prime doctrine known in the way of propagation of Islam.

    Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmed as a Muslim scholar was well known for his fighting the cause of Muslims against the onslaught of Christianity in Middle East, Asia and western colonial occupation especially in Subcontinent. 1875 is the year known as year of mutiny in British Raj of India. After this incident, the movement for freedom of subcontinent gathered momentum. In 1889 he proclaimed to be the metaphorical second coming of Jesus (as) of Nazareth and the divine guide, whose advent was foretold by the Prophet of Islam, Muhammad (saw). His scholarly verdict at this stage from a person who claimed to be the divine guide, to put down the sword and take up pen was taken as the announcement of ghastly cowardice. This was against the will and wishes of the peoples. He was mocked, jeered and this has generated lot of opposition against him to the extent that he was declared as an imposter by the Ulemas of the time.

    Some hundred years have passed; there were two world wars that this world saw; primarily fought with sword. In both the wars Muslims for their part of wars could only reap an utter humiliation especially in world war one when the Muslim Ottoman Empire fell.

    After the fall of Ottoman Empire although Muslims were forced to lay down their arms and swords but new groups came on the surface in Arab world with their philosophy like Satia Al-Husri, Michel Aflaq and Sami shawkat who spawned a whole generation of men who advocated violence. One example is Sami Shawkat who is famous for his 1933 speech “Sina’at al-Mawt” (manufacture of doctrine of death) in which he rationalized mass violence and war as the way to achieve Arab aspirations. Tragically, his speech was widely distributed in Arab schools and in Iraq in particular. It is interesting that Shawkat taught that; ‘There is Honour in the Business of Death’. The “force is the soil which sprouts the seeds of truth” and (suicidal) death the only way left for Arabs to win back the lost glory of Arabs.

    Ever since, the doctrinarians of suicide bombing, have been active and hundreds and thousands of Muslim juvenile in almost all the Muslim countries have been doctrine and sent out to kill themselves; supposedly to earn honour for Islam and their families which they are lead to believe that their honour lies in their death as suicide bombers. Palestinian, Iranian, African and lately in Afghanistan and in Pakistan, flocks of such young ones are being bred and used as fodder of war.

    But history speaks that this business of death has only brought more destruction, havoc and anarchy in Arabs own lands and other countries of Greater Middle East like Afghanistan, Uzbekistan and Pakistan and in the Far East. This has increased the Muslim Ummah's humiliation further and defamed the name of divine religion; Islam.

    If Muslims they only know that this is 'era of pen and not of sword'. This world belongs to the people who excel in knowledge (of technologies), have the control over economic resources and bear innovative minds. Retrieving the honour and glory through death (suicidal acts) has not worked. It is cowardice in itself and it may never work in the future.

    Down the timeline if today we may take the present day example of the warring United States and their mega monster forces at war in Afghanistan: they are also resorting to concept of waging wars by sword rather they be called the ; Brutal Exterminators in use of their lethal weapons.

    Their forces are the most ultra Morden forces equipped with most ultra Morden lethal weaponry and equipment; the air power in support is capable of pin point targeting and attacking. Some one quarter million of US lead NATO forces are present in Afghanistan.

    But ---do we know that why United States came to Afghanistan? US has only one declared aim: to capture one single person----Osama bin laden...who supposedly sent his suicidal group to attack their home land in New York at trading Centre; Twin Tower known as 9/11 Terrorist attack.

    Who can rattle their sabres better than US and her allied forces? But Some 10 years have come to pass---- the entire force after destroying anything coming in their way and bringing utter destruction of the entire Afghanistan. They have reduced it to ruins. Could they find that one single person that they came for? Answer is--- Big NO.

    How many trillions of dollars they must have spent on fighting??? Now; very sheepishly; they have announced their retreat and are packing up in humiliation.

    This is modern war which may not be won with the sword or by rattling of sabre; How strong they may be.... gone are the days when fighting with the sword was the prime concept of the war. Knowledge, economic resources and innovative minds are the weapons of the day. They say that only fools they don’t change their minds or the doctrine of fighting their war. That is what Messiah Moud (as) said that; No war with sword in the future but Muslim; they must fight with pen. How true he was.

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    Posted 1 year ago on 16 Jun 2010 8:04 #
  2. AK, with all due respect and skipping all controversy which has been thrashed out elsewhere in any case, I think the right way for us Muslims is to fight with the pen and the sword. Just the one without the other is quite useless to my mind.

    A further comment concerns your following two paragraphs:

    "But ---do we know that why United States came to Afghanistan? US has only one declared aim: to capture one single person----Osama bin laden...who supposedly sent his suicidal group to attack their home land in New York at trading Centre; Twin Tower known as 9/11 Terrorist attack.

    Who can rattle their sabres better than US and her allied forces? But Some 10 years have come to pass---- the entire force after destroying anything coming in their way and bringing utter destruction of the entire Afghanistan. They have reduced it to ruins. Could they find that one single person that they came for? Answer is--- Big NO."

    They did not come because of Osama bin Laden. They knew fully well he had nothing to do with anything. And they know fully well he died shortly after their arrival. They came because of some vague notion of getting hold of some fresh resources to prop up their dying economy. And mainly they came because Afghanistan looked like a weak Muslim target so the Jews prompted them to begin their attacks on the Muslim world through them. Little did they know.

    Posted 1 year ago on 16 Jun 2010 10:44 #
  3. @Aay
    "But ---do we know that why United States came to Afghanistan? US has only one declared aim: to capture one single person----Osama bin laden...who supposedly sent his suicidal group to attack their home land in New York at trading Centre; Twin Tower known as 9/11 Terrorist attack"
    Delusions galore! Next thing you you, you'd be telling me tht Mirza fella was the second-coming of Christ!

    Oh wait...you already did! Figures! :-P

    Posted 1 year ago on 16 Jun 2010 12:27 #
  4. GM,

    I have written a lot on the subject of US conspiracy theory created after the 9/ 11 debacle and how the requirement of creating a pretext were met prior to launching the phoney Global war against so called terror and how a stooge like Osma bin laden was /is installed to carry out the decoy actions like coming out with threatening videos messages and subversive actions right before the time that US wanted to take an action on ground in Iraq or Afghanistan. Bush was helped to win his second term and also in midterm neocons elections. I was able to write few articles on the subject; A friend in need; Osama is the best US friend indeed.

    Al Qaeda services for the US are extra ordinary who was always there; from Iraq to Afghanistan, Africa or now in Pakistan disguise as TTP.

    But the irony is that Pakistan itself is the part and parcel of this game and an active proxy to bring about all services and help lay out all possible targets for US to carry out their required actions. pakistan works on 'His masters voice' like concubine.

    US will never ever leave Afghanistan that is for sure. After green zone in Iraq Bagram is the prime US command base. Afghanistan is located at the cross roads and is the hub of all the economic resources of the central Asia, Middle east and subcontinent. Rightly so Afghanistan is the Command post of the world. Being here in Afghanistan US remain in control of all the resources of the world and can keep a stern check on China, Russia and India.

    They will make sure that Iran; a nut which is not yet cracked, ultimately is subjugated. Pakistan future lies in US subservient and in the process US will make sure that the nuclear upper hand that Pakistan enjoys at the moment--- but with the passage of time owing to its ever depleting economic condition the nuclear controls will fall in US hands or these arsenals go innert and rendered use less.

    It is dire bleak situation ahead.

    Posted 1 year ago on 16 Jun 2010 12:52 #
  5. Nota; hold you brush there.

    We are discussing something serious that how not to befool ourselves and remain deluded and do nothing. We must stop boosting around that we can destroy the west---- by mere blowing airs from our mouths.

    Gen. Zia already said once that Arabs can make Israel pushed to the Mediterranean Sea in a flood--- mere by spitting.
    Absurd all this conjuncture that is.

    Posted 1 year ago on 16 Jun 2010 13:09 #
  6. AK, Now there, I believe, you are wrong, wholly wrong. According to my reading of the world situation in this year of 2010, the West is in terminal economic prolapse. Nothing, but nothing they can think up next will save them from their downfall. A stern eye on Russia, China and India, indeed! Not the other way round?

    Pakistan is in a bad shape, I agree. But West is in no better. There is nil chance of their getting their hands on our deterrence weapons. Nil chance. Equally nil chance of the West staying on in our blessed countries of Afghanistan and Iraq. Even if it takes a WWIII to get them out of there

    Let me quote from my own special blogmaster:

    "West child-murdering junta has run out of war cash. That's all. The Busch II/Bliar war on our world should have lasted a few years and be done before Busch II 1st turn. West had planned to reconquer the Central Asian basin, rip off Iran's reserves cementing their Persian Gulf oil rape. And so west junta invested hundreds of trillions into the magnificent plan of NWO via derivatives.

    But the west beast had miscalculated. It was physically stopped in Afghanistan and Iraq, the very first two nations it began to rape as part of this lofty dream of the saxonic animal.

    And then its currency, the very essence of its lifeline, was blown sky high making all west deficits, accumulated debts, and fiscal #s REAL for a change.

    In 6 months, the dollar began its death. In 2 yrs, all top west banks were broke requiring permanent west tax influx to keep them pretending to be standing. In 3 yrs, all top west industries were wiped. West elite stocks on west stock exchanges require west to "bail" them out to maintain the ridiculous pretense that there is a west. In 4 yrs, nations began to crumble.

    And the west child murdering elite needs more cash because they're totally and completely insane, in fact beyond that, and are trying to erupt wars all over the planet thinking their world-dominance tour of 2001 is still on, still winnable, still feasible."

    Now this is telling it the way it really is. The West is going to win nothing at all. Their day in history is past. Think about this AK. History is a hard taskmaster.

    Posted 1 year ago on 16 Jun 2010 14:58 #
  7. MG @ These are very highly charged wording with which you are addressing a financial situ in the west but it is not that bad as you think.

    It is right to say that banks went into trouble but not the economy.

    Most bank found ditched into trouble is owing to their self inflicted injuries that for last 12-15 years or about--- they have been very irresponsible and been granting free personal loans to the people and there was also a flood of cash cards floating around; This had boosted the economy that people had too much in hand to spend and everybody was seen on shopping spree.

    People did not pay back.This turned out to be failure for even very high ranking banks; but there is damage control exercise going on now. Those loan monies are total loss now because people have also been given options to get the loans waived off or consolidate them. Entire financial sector is suffering (employment wise) but economy otherwise is ok.

    EU is also not bothered that entire bank loan money was supplied by US lending companies; In Us banks and card companies have gone bust but EU is safe.

    From Af-Pak point of view; I am pretty sure that as long as we have got the nincompoop people like Zardari, PPP or Noun league there---- US or NATO may stay very safe.

    I take it this way that Pakistan is a litmus test of our present situ in af-pak and Middle east. Do you think; realistically that situ in Pak will be in control and you may have economy n systems put right in next 5 years...and Terrorist elemnts totally eliminated---- I am sure ,,, your answer too will be No.

    On the other side of Afghanistan; in Kirgizstan their president just recently told US to pack up their bases that US was using it for Afghanistan and also to keep a watch on China. (India has also got one air base Farkhor air base in Tajikistan). By his saying no by president. What you find in that normally a peaceful country; president deposed and there is killing everywhere; Kirgizstan 82% are Muslims-- Uzbek and kirgies; cutting throats of each other’s----Dollar is in play---all planned by CIA. we may have same situ in Pakistan also-- where bomb blast, target killing is a daily business.

    Of course; in Pakistan resilient people live; but pakistan is trekking on the route of disaster—economic disaster---which is depleting it to its full; it is old plan of Chile Economy of Disaster working here--to subjugate people and bring them to knee and submit. Can give you detail but later.

    As long we stay in this state of (Paid up)chaos and anarchy; (the religious extremist are getting paid for that), US-NATO and west it is all Ok.

    Koi aur tou naheen hey; Passey khanjar Azmaee
    Humeen Qatal hou rahey hain: Hameen Qatal ker Rahey hain

    Posted 1 year ago on 16 Jun 2010 17:15 #
  8. AK, full marks for your paragraph on Kyrgystan. I shouldn't change the least word on your summary. Less sure about the earlier parts on the west economy. The way we see it, what happened was that the dollar was nuked in 2006. Already, since the Clinton days, US economy was run on a bubble system. With what is called the "nuking" of the dollar (the dollar monopoly on oil was cancelled), the whole thing began to fall apart. Look, I'll tell you something AK. Already in 2006 everything that was to come was predicted to us by the finest brains on the blog, that it was all coming apart and econ prolapse was approaching. And, bang, that is exactly what happened. Nothing to do with the sub-prime stuff. Everything to do with the dollar nuking. And why you feel so sure about Europe is a mystery. But in something one has to believe, I suppose.

    Just as I believe that Pakistan will survive the whole mess it is in today and go forwards with confidence and pride. And it's "YES" and not "NO" to your question about Pakistan's state within the next five years.

    I'd be interested in finding out more about the Chile Economy Disaster Plan. We know what they did to Allende, if that's what you mean. But we are not Chile. We are the great Pakistan. And great we will remain, even if we do have the worst governance in the world. That's called faith.

    Posted 1 year ago on 16 Jun 2010 18:10 #
  9. @Aay
    Just allow me one more...
    6-Story Jesus Statue in Ohio Struck by Lightning

    A six-story-tall statue of Jesus Christ with his arms raised along a highway was struck by lightning in a thunderstorm Monday night and burned to the ground, police said.

    The "King of Kings" statue, one of southwest Ohio's most familiar landmarks, had stood since 2004 at the evangelical Solid Rock Church along Interstate 75 in Monroe, just north of Cincinnati....

    Posted 1 year ago on 16 Jun 2010 19:25 #
  10. achtung
    Member

    pen is far more effective then swords. our jihad should be with pen because we not have swords any more. those who think we have swords are dreaming.

    Posted 1 year ago on 16 Jun 2010 19:35 #
  11. achtung, you would think that wouldn't you? That the pen is more effective than the sword. That is all this false non-violence stuff people here preach and which means nothing at all except that most of you would rather the West took over our country because we ourselves are so incapable of running it. Whom exactly are we going to impress with the power of our pens? I'd really be interested to know?

    I neither believe in the non-violence of a Gandhi which led to thousands of deaths. Neither do I believe in the Qadiyani non-violence doctrine to the benefit of the same white power. What I do believe in greatly is the Buddhist doctrine of non-violence. That was a true approach to the question of not raising one's hand to any living creature, including animals. But even profoundly Buddhist Vietnam took up whatever swords they had and struck at the colonial power France, followed by US and made war over some 30 years ro recover their freedom as a nation.

    Is freedom of no importance to you, achtung? Think again. Knowing you, I can't imagine that to be true. And again my question: Who will be reading what our pens write enough to make any difference to world events?

    P.S. No swords available, then you use stones like the Palestinians.

    Posted 1 year ago on 16 Jun 2010 20:37 #
  12. achtung
    Member

    mirza ghalib bhai

    pakistan is not occupied by any foreigh country. so example of vietnam not valid. (some areas are occupied by foreign jihadis and the thugs)

    tell me which sword quaid-e-azam used to create pakistan. freedom is important to me but following mania of war we may loose our freedom because as i say we have no swords available and fighting for the sake of fighting with stones is destruction, nothing else.

    no reasonable person can deny power of pen.

    Posted 1 year ago on 16 Jun 2010 20:57 #
  13. No, achtung, thanks, I'm not denying the power of the pen, no way. But for someone to make a real difference, you need a tremendous talent like, for instance, the one possessed by an Allama Iqbal. And even for him, it took a lifetime to take effect. As for Quaid-e-Azam, he used the blood of Muslims to create his State. So we can't say no sword was involved, even if not wîelded by him personally. He was a lucky man.

    As for war, we are in a proxy war. We all know it. We all know that some areas are, to quote you: occupied by foreign jihadis and the thugs and foreign powers. You don't know what a foreign occupation does to a country. You have no idea. But, never mind. And thank God for you.

    What you and AK above both object to is the notion of JIHAD. Now, dear achtung, look. You happen to live in a Muslim country. You can, of course, go elsewhere, change your religion, nationality, even your name. Makes no difference, Pakistan is and will remain a Muslim country. And Jihad is part of Islam, And there's nothing anyone can do about it. NATO is fine by you, I suppose, EU, too. But the unity among Muslims is 1.400 years old, now that is anathema. Why exactly? I don't mean this in any theological sense. I dislike theological discussions. I mean in the light of politics and fair play. It's not because Muslims in their long period of decadence stopped rushing to the aid of other Muslims in peril that the injunction of Muslim unity has stopped existing. I'll skip the bit about "fighting for the sake of fighting". It would take a whole book to reply to that.

    Sorry for the length of this post.

    Posted 1 year ago on 16 Jun 2010 21:22 #
  14. achtung
    Member

    mirza ghalib bhai

    you say, 'As for Quaid-e-Azam, he used the blood of Muslims to create his State'. not true. loot-maar and blood of people was taken of the migrating people from india to pakistan and from pakistan to india. not for the sake of creation of pakistan.

    you say we lack 'a tremendous talent like, for instance, the one possessed by an Allama Iqbal' and i say we lack fire power to fight. so how we fight successfully in that situation.

    jihad is part of islam but to acquire knowledge and prepare for jihad is more important part of islam. we are far behind in both. further, it is jihad if government declare jihad and order its army to do jihad with the support of the people of the country, not every lallu panjju stand here and there and declare jihad. that will be only fasad for personal interest.

    Posted 1 year ago on 16 Jun 2010 22:00 #
  15. Nota,

    Jesus statue ---Big Butter by Haywood bank

    Supposedly in a godless country like America; strange enough there is no body out there playing god; like we have in Pakistan that he could stick an instant fatwa of Blasphemy on these bunch of impersonators and despatch them straight to hell..

    Posted 1 year ago on 16 Jun 2010 22:07 #
  16. They say; pen is mightier than sword

    But in fact Pen is a symbol of learning; of knowledge; of power and wisdom. It is guardian of truth and brings about the order and justice.

    If we achieve all above; “And thou seest men entering the religion of Allah in troops”[110:2].

    The absence of all above in our societies has rendered us clue less and Muslims find themselves powerless which tends them to resort to violence.

    If the destruction, havoc and bringing about the anarchy through violence in society is called Jihad which culminates at a suicidal actions; well, this doesn’t seems to be Jihad (striving for the cause of Allah); it is cowardice.

    Regards

    Posted 1 year ago on 16 Jun 2010 22:48 #
  17. achtung, I give in. You fought back very well there. I specially agree with your third paragraph. Jihad is the business of the army of a Muslim country with the support of the people. And I agree that knowledge and preparation of Jihad is a very important part of the process. I may have some reservations about your middle paragraph. The meaning of fire power and the like. But as with the earlier "stones", it would take us very far and would require far too many words. Thanks. It was very refreshing to hold more or less opposed positions and still not fall upon one another with a "sword" as though we'd just come across the enemy to be killed.

    Posted 1 year ago on 16 Jun 2010 23:03 #
  18. AK. If I more or less understood where achtung stood in this particular debate, I find it harder to find what to say to you.

    Your definition of the "pen" is perfect, No problem with that. Where we part company is when you write "Muslims tend to resort to violence". That's not my own feeling. All our own present violence stems from the Afghan War which was none of our doing but came upon us when the US declared a wholy fictious war on terror. But if you see it differently, I really, really can't argue 9/11 at the moment once again. Last but not least. The suicide bomber, whatever else he may be, is never a coward. Or then you know nothing whatsoever about suicide. It is always an act of courage, even if much frowned upon as much by religion as by society.

    And now to everyone on this thread, please do go and listen to Talat Hussein if you can. Nothing to do with religion, everything to do about how civil society can get things done even in our own battered Pakistan:

    http://pkpolitics.com/2010/06/16/live-with-talat-16-june-2010/

    Posted 1 year ago on 16 Jun 2010 23:11 #
  19. achtung
    Member

    mirza ghalib bhai

    it is your greateness when you say 'i give in', and with that i feel defeated. yes we discuss but nothing personal at all. i am going off so bye and regards.

    Posted 1 year ago on 16 Jun 2010 23:12 #
  20. Me too offline now. But it was true. You argued your case very well there. See you later. Take care and regards as well.

    Posted 1 year ago on 16 Jun 2010 23:22 #
  21. MG,
    "Muslims tend to resort to violence". This is not the case that they are some fiery specie and to remain in state of violence is their lineament but, as I said earlier it is the out come that they find themselves powerless*.

    God may never render any nation (Muslim or non-Muslim) defunct till they want to. In this world you only get-- what you strive for.

    If Muslim have chosen to be down trodden; clue less specie, detached, isolated from the present world and then blame others for their deprivations. That is nonsense.

    I totally do not agree that there is courage involved in suicidal actions. With a prèss of button; a suicide bomber, he does not only kill himself but as I said earlier brings destruction, havoc for score of other peoples.

    Knowing it to be such that who the enemy is; these stooges if they want to realy face the enemy; either they must become that powerful that enemy thinks twice before taking any action against them----or if they are not that strong; they should go and carry out raids and lay ambushes and make sure that life for enemy is made miserable and it forces the enemy to retreat.

    But we find that the tactics that they should have played against enemy; they are carrying out against own kith and kin**. What is this nonsense? It is sheer an act of cowardice....

    But the irony is that when we investigate this scenario; we find that the same enemy who should have been punished by them; rather than punishing enemy; they are on enemy’s*** pay roll to bring destruction to our own land.

    This lot is worse than the enemy. The ignorant buffoons have wilfully chosen to be the traitors and still they like us to believe that they are doing great job.

    - - -
    *Khasiani billi khamba noachay
    **Jolahay dian mushkarian; maa, bhain naal
    *** Kutee Choran; naal milee hoee aay.( the- - (dog female) on guard is inclined with the robbers)

    Posted 1 year ago on 17 Jun 2010 9:31 #
  22. AK. Thanks for above. Now don't mind me, but much of what you say above sounds like West indoctrination of which we are all victims. There is a mystical side to life the West as it has come to be knows nothing about and that is the side, alas, which is most of interest to me. But this only by way of introduction

    I couldn't agree more that those who carry out acts of widespread violence on the innocent are on the enemy payroll. And they are perfectly despicable creatures. Where you and I differ is calling them suicide bombers. That they are not. I don't see why I'm the only one to be pointing this out. But in this day and age, we stand miles away, press on a button and the deed is done. No one throws away his life for the horrific act. But it pleases everyone to call it a suicide bombing. The real suicide bomber, on the other hand, but let's leave that aside as well. It's another mystical-philosophical gesture and this is not the place for it. I can but repeat what I said earlier on: I know suicide is an act of courage, whether for personal or political reasons.

    Now back to the Muslims. Pakistan is not doing too well, sure. But Muslims in general are like a giant awakening. The 21st century will be their century of resurgence. And, God willing, I, the West-despiser, pray with all my heart that they won't take that criminal entity as their model.

    A clash of opinions maybe, but no clash of hard feelings, I hope, AK.

    Posted 1 year ago on 17 Jun 2010 9:53 #
  23. MG,
    This may be a courageous act for the one--- who does it as he is made to believe that his honour lies in it. (Plz refer: sami shawkat speech;their is honour in the business of death).

    But overall; this is a flawed doctrine which has its roots that its manipulators rather than thinking that how they may grow strong; very sheepishly feeling that they are too powerless to face the enemy so they resort to this sort of actions.

    Up till here; their desperation may be understandable---but no. They sell themselves to the enemy!!!

    And then put up religious masks to cover up the faces of their treason. For me it is no surprise for me ( I have served for years with them and trained them) because to sleep with the enemy and to act as mercenary and get paid is their old habit which runs in the blood.

    Reference from my archive; Sleeping with the Enemy ---Nov 7th, 2008.
    Plz Link; http://www.adab-arz.co.uk/?p=74

    (I suppose;I should put that up here to discuss also.)

    Posted 1 year ago on 17 Jun 2010 10:27 #
  24. AK, Oh, yes, I do agree about that one thing: "there is honour in the business of death" (most definitely) as, let me add, there is honour in the business of life, otherwise life is not worth the living.

    But you completely left out any comment on my contention that most of what passes for "suicide bombing" is suicide bombing by remote control and the bomber himself comes out of it with not a hair harmed. Only others die.

    Yes, by all means, put your Sleeping with the Enemy up for discussion. Our present exchange would be more apt under such a title.

    Back to topic: Jihad with the pen also implies more than just lip service to the concepts of honour, loyalty, generosity, humility, a refusal to take the goods of this world seriously as against the wealth of the next, etc, etc. Then and then alone will our jihad in the name of Allah have any hope of success.

    Posted 1 year ago on 17 Jun 2010 10:47 #
  25. @Mirza Ghalib
    Word Jihad is from Arabic word Joh'd meaning struggle. There are many forms of Jihad. Jihad bisaif is always a last option. Neocon propagandists are busy spreading false propaganda focusing on Jihad bisaif only highlighting it as a violent side of Islam sidelining its true meaning and purpose. Their aim is to kill the fighting spirit of a Muslim.

    We Muslims should not fall into these traps set for us by fashist neocons active through their online agents. Jihad bisaif is a duty for all Muslims to join in when called for and never to be sidelined through sweet words.

    Neocons propagate much through their invented terms likes modernism, moderates etc while a Muslims is a Muslim without any -isms or -ates. Jihad in all its forms is a duty to a believing practicing Muslim, should and will remain so till the ends of this earch.

    Never forget 'Amar bil ma'aroof wa nahi anil munkir' a form of Jihad always to be practiced.

    Posted 1 year ago on 17 Jun 2010 10:50 #
  26. Patriot, thank you. And of course jihad has multiple meanings which non-Muslims know nothing about and all of them it is our duty to perform. Jihad bisaif is the final one and, now tell me, how many Muslim countries have responded to that call? Never mind. They'll get their just deserts in another world.

    The last of our Jihads "Amar bil ma'aroof wa nahi anil munkir" is a beautiful injunction placed upon us, but one, alas, which is often misused by us Muslims to show off, to insist that we are in the right and others are in the wrong. It is probably the most difficult of Jihads to practise to good purpose.

    P.S. Turning one's back on people is not a Muslim act either, I feel. Keep talking to people respectfully, come what may. They learn something, you learn something. Never deny anyone their humanity. Talking does not mean falling into any traps.

    Posted 1 year ago on 17 Jun 2010 11:37 #
  27. Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    It is clearly mentioned in Islam's scriptures, that non-Muslims will call you to Jihad of pen only. They'll tell your ranks to sideline/abandon Jihad of the Sword, as well as other ways of Jihad in our daily life.

    Mr. Aay Khokar is promoting Ahmadi/Qadyani beliefs. How great, eh ?

    These are in sharp contrast to Islam's beliefs. I reject this nonsense.

    JI and other religious groups have been doing Jihad of pen for decades. JI started doing this since before Pakistan was created.

    This is nonsense. It reminds me of a poem by Iqbal in which he says;

    Fatwa hai Shaikh ka yeh zamanah qalam ka hai
    Dunya mein abb rahi nahin talwar kargar
    Lekin janabe Shaikh ko ma'lum kiya nahin?
    Masjid mein abb yeh wa'az hai be-sudo be-asar
    Tegh-o-tufang abb daste Musalman mein hai kahan
    Ho'n bhi, to dil hain maot ki lazzat se be-khabar
    Kafir ki maot se bhi larazta ho jis ka dil
    Kehta hai kon ose keh Musalman ki maot mar
    Ta'lim os ko chahiye tark-e-Jihad ki
    Dunya ko jis ke panja-e-Khuni se ho khatar
    Baatil ke faal-o-far ki hifazat ke waste
    Europe zirah mein doob geya dosh ta kamar
    Ham puchte hain Shaikhe Kalisa-nawaz se
    Mashriq mein jang shar hai to maghrib mein bhi hai shar

    Haqq se agar gharaz hai to zeba hai kiya yeh baat
    Islam ka muhasbah, Europe se dar-guzar

    Posted 1 year ago on 17 Jun 2010 12:04 #
  28. Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    This notion of Jihad (extreme struggle) with pen alone is nonsense.

    In-fact Iqbal has called for ALL kinds of Jihad (extreme struggle) through his poems, especially Jihad (extreme struggle) with the sword.

    A Muslim does Jihad each and every day, in many ways. Jihad means;

    extreme struggle in the name of ALLAH ALMIGHTY, for struggling to attain the 'khush-noodi' (in urdu), the 'Razaaa' (in urdu) of ALLAH ALMIGHTY.

    Posted 1 year ago on 17 Jun 2010 12:09 #
  29. HK, Iqbal's lines of stupendous beauty and wisdom as always. Certainly, jihad of the pen a swell, I'd say. But not when we've been attacked out of the blue by the West. We haven't gone and attacked them. They've begun killing us. Then the jihad of the sword is not only Allah-blessed and necessary. It is our only chance of survival.

    I don't think AK above really meant the Afghan Resistance should fold up and acknowledge the West as victors in Afghanistan. It was probably meant as a comment on all these terrible bombings on civilians going on in our own country.

    Posted 1 year ago on 17 Jun 2010 12:27 #
  30. Revivalist
    member

    Islam is an ideology a way of life that came to supersede all other ways of life, even if the Kufar dislike it, and Jihad is the practical method to spread the ideology of Islam and to take the humanity out from darkness into light. This can’t be possible with pen, though the first step is Da’wah then Jihad. However we must not confuse it with colonization or wars that are fought for resources and indiscriminately killing of innocent people i.e. Iraq, Afghanistan, Palestine, Kashmir etc

    Posted 1 year ago on 17 Jun 2010 13:03 #
  31. Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    @Mirza Ghalib: Brother, We don't need to give up on Jihad with the sword to improve in education, in politics, in finance, in social realm, in judicial matters.

    Brother, what do you think he means, when he writes the following ? I quote;

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    If Muslims they only know that this is 'era of pen and not of sword'. This world belongs to the people who excel in knowledge (of technologies), have the control over economic resources and bear innovative minds. Retrieving the honour and glory through death (suicidal acts) has not worked. It is cowardice in itself and it may never work in the future.
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    He's in-fact trying to revive Mr. Mirza Qadyanis' original propaganda/agenda i.e., to abandon Jihad with the sword. To restrict Jihad to the pen.

    He's telling us, that we can prosper economically, educationally, politically, financially judicially by giving up on Jihad with the sword. I repeat: This was the original propaganda of Mr. Mirza Qadyani.

    Also, what he's writing in his article is full of wrong information. He's highlighting the fact that young ones are encouraged to become suicide bombers, which is terrorism in his eyes. What he doesn't focus on is;

    (1) why ?
    (2) how we reached this point ?
    (3) Why is this happening ?
    (4) Why our young feel encouraged to throw away their lives ?

    Posted 1 year ago on 17 Jun 2010 13:11 #
  32. Hussain Farooqui
    Member

    Jihad by all possible means is the real need of the time. Pen can be reckoned as one of the instruments. Now Jihad through media is also essential whether it is press media or electronic media.

    Posted 1 year ago on 17 Jun 2010 13:20 #
  33. Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    @Mirza Ghalib: He's telling us that the west excelled because of education, because of clever finance, better justice system.

    No!. That's not the case. That's a tiny part of it. The larger part is that they coerced other nation states to do what they wanted them to do by forcing war on them, by forcefully generating artificial calamities, by forcing debt slavery on them, by coercing their state policies, by destroying local indigenous business markets.

    That's the way they have prospered. If you pick up history, you'll find it filled with it.

    How do you think Jews/Zionists over-powered American Presidents ? Through the pen ? No!. Heck! no!.

    Posted 1 year ago on 17 Jun 2010 13:24 #
  34. Hussain Farooqui
    Member

    hariskhan,

    I agree with you that the Western countries did not excell by means of their technology. When the Englishmen occupied the subcontinent by means of conspiracies, we were far more superior in technology and education. They then abolished our educational system and enforced their own which could produce only civil servants or clerks. The great monuments of the Mughal era like Taj Mahal, Lal Qila, Badshahi Masjid,,etc. are great wonders for even the architects and engineers of the present day.

    Posted 1 year ago on 17 Jun 2010 13:37 #
  35. HK, HF, I wholly agree with you about the West's crimes and sins. In fact I go even further, as you might see if you read the earlier postings here. I argued about this with AK above in my own way. I can only argue up to a certain point. Then I give up. Especially if the opponent also makes a valid point, which they do from time to time. Not to forget either that if we were all sitting face to face we might even reach some kind of agreement. Words in our hands are a treacherous medium at best. To sum up, though, the West should never be an ideal for the Muslim Ummah. And now I invite you to go onto the second site, Sleeping with the Enemy, and continue the discussion there, reminding you all at the same time that our enemy number one is not the Qadiyani community, but the beast in Afghanistan and on our own Pakistani soil.

    Posted 1 year ago on 17 Jun 2010 14:17 #
  36. Hussain Farooqui
    Member

    Mirza Ghalib

    It is our internal weakness which permits even brotherly countries like Iran to use our soil and blood for sectarian games. Our internal weaknesses have opened doors for any foreign country to play its games on our soil and blood.

    Posted 1 year ago on 19 Jun 2010 6:45 #
  37. Is Iran really doing that, HF? Then it is utterly wrong of them and contrary to all that they claim they believe in. On the other hand, Iran is at the forefront of the Muslim resistance against the West. Look at this powerful statement they came out with today:

    Iran Responds to UNSC Resolution

    By Press TV (18.6.10)

    How can a regime that is not able to contain an oil well be trusted by the world to contain its arsenal of nuclear weapons that jeopardizes global security? (Iran's Supreme National Security Council (SNSC)

    Look, the Muslims are dying daily on the one the hand, on the other, they are becoming past masters at diplomacy. Only Pakistanis have not even opened their eyes to their own tremendous strenght, their own role as one of the natural leaders of the Muslim Ummah. Look, HF, HK, we in Pakistan must ask Allah Talha collectively for forgiveness. We have gone so far away from the teachings the Prophet (PBUH) brought to his Ummah. If we do so, a collective prayer for forgiveness, the task ahead will grow that much easier.

    Posted 1 year ago on 19 Jun 2010 9:10 #
  38. achtung
    Member

    "This notion of Jihad (extreme struggle) with pen alone is nonsense."

    This notion of Jihad (extreme struggle) with sword alone is nonsense. jabkeh talwarein bhi zang aalood aur khundi hoon?

    Posted 1 year ago on 19 Jun 2010 11:43 #

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