A converstaion between a common Pakistani and liberal....

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A converstaion between a common Pakistani and liberal....

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wantinsaf
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A common Pakistani(CP) depressed by the circumstances Pakistan is going through is looking for having a chat with someone.Suddenly he sees a pakistani liberal comes out of his car and starts walking to the shopping mall.CP stops him and starts converstaion by asking:It's hot today,isn't it?Liberals nodes his head is yes and goes on saying but I have worked whole of my life for comforting myself and now I have bought an air-conditioned car in this regard.
CP:oh I see.Things are really bad in Pakistan.
PL:Yeah,they are bad but this all is due to people with beard.
CP:beard?beard is sunnah,man.
PL:It was 14 years ago,but you guys don't understand.
CP:No I disagree with you.I still find nice people with beard.Abdul Sattar Edhi is just one example.
PL:He is good in his social work but he is bad when it comes to ideology.He too once said that I would go to Talibans and ask for donations.
CP:But he is more pro Pakistan than you and his work clearly proves that.
LP:Whatever.What we are today is due to these Mullas and talibans.
CP:No one is good in Pakistan.What do you think of Musharaf or Zardari or Nawaz?They don't have beard and still they are bad.We all have proven to be bad for Pakistan.
Liberal:I am not concerned about corruption,poverty,inflation,religion and injustice.I am only concerned about what would happen if talibans conquers the parliment.
CP:We can easily get rid of talibans by promoting true Islam.
Liberal:true Islam?there is no true Islam.Islam is just outdated.We need to follow liberalism and secualrism and that's the only way forward.
CP:What is secularism or liberalism,I don't know.What I know is Islam is the best.
Liberal:That's the problem with you guys.Typical Pakistani mentality.
CP:Allah Hafiz
Liberal:Ok,goodbye.

CP's chat with liberal increases his worries.And he askswhy we are being killed in a battle between liberals and talibans.Liberals would take a flight to USA and talibasn don't need any houses and faimly.What would happen to us?

Posted 1 year ago on 13 Jul 2010 12:09 #
choosy
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Allah hi hafiz hay is mulk ka ...

Posted 1 year ago on 13 Jul 2010 12:21 #
shimatoree
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Perhaps one of the Liberchees should answer!

Posted 1 year ago on 13 Jul 2010 12:22 #
choosy
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im neither Liberal nor fanatic ...

i m amongst majority of Pakistanis .
who wanna get rid off both side of extremists .

Posted 1 year ago on 13 Jul 2010 12:28 #
shirazi
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@choosy

Instead of "Common" you could have used "Conservative" (opposite of liberal) to hide your bias that is so apparent from your dialogue :)

Posted 1 year ago on 13 Jul 2010 12:48 #
urazzaq12
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@ choosy

I share your standpoint completely.

Posted 1 year ago on 13 Jul 2010 12:49 #
choosy
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@Umer ,
thanks bhai ...
@Shirzi,
where had i used word 'common'?
i have used the word 'liberal' and the antonyum 'fanatic'.

see my post as refrence again .

Posted 1 year ago on 13 Jul 2010 12:53 #
choosy
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about being on liberals side or fanatics .
i am with Bullay shah .
who said:

Bullaiya ,ki jana mein kon ?
mein adam hawwa jaya
na mein aabi na mein kahki

ma Mosa na Faroon ...

Bullayia ki jana mein kon ???

Posted 1 year ago on 13 Jul 2010 12:56 #
rhyme
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even most of da Rabbis have beard nd nuns covering their heads so how do u ppl categorize them?...

Posted 1 year ago on 13 Jul 2010 14:05 #
alirazaster
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i believe all pakistanis have an inherent right to do whatever they want as long as they dont trespass or offend someone else's freedom

Posted 1 year ago on 13 Jul 2010 14:41 #
alirazaster
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and majority of people who have beard dont have characters today... length of beard is the unit of measuring how religious is the person...
i'll share one example, when i used to go to my college, we used to have a namaz break and everybody used to send this guy with the biggest beard to lead the prayer.. and after that, he was just as much part of the "guy-talks" as everybody else... and even all the teachers thought of him as the most shareef bacha

Posted 1 year ago on 13 Jul 2010 14:46 #
wantinsaf
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@Ali Rizvi

You are right to some extent that appearance doesn't make you good or bad.But the post was pointing out that everyone with beard is not bad and Edhi is one example.At the same the post also points out "No one is good in Pakistan" meaning people with beard and clean sahven both have harmed Pakistan one way or the other.The post discusses the issue broadly.

Posted 1 year ago on 13 Jul 2010 15:37 #
gazi23
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Liberal and conservative is a mindset in Pakistan which differs place to place and society to society in Pakistan....For example in Sindh and Baluchistan their is a cultural diversity like in Baluchistan their are Makrani, Bruhi, and Sulaimani Baluch living alongside with Pashtun from Pashtun belt in Baluchistan...In Sindh province we have got Sindhi and Baluch living together in Rural areas and in Urban Sindh we have so many groups like Muhajir(divided into Lakhnow, Hyderabad, Dehli, Gujrat, Bihar, east Punjab and many more heritage), Pashtun, Baluch, Punjabis and so many other heritage so living together in a single city so due to this diversity the population becomes LIBERAL and due to same reason we saw Sindh and Baluchistan both are very liberal provinces of Pakistan....

On the other hand we have two more provinces Punjab and Khaibar Pakhtunkuwa....where we see that only one ethnic group makes most of population and DIVERSITY among different culture are very low like if we compare Lahore with any city of Sindh or Baluchistan even Quetta we will find more DIVERSITY in Quetta then Lahore....except for few areas of South Punjab where even PTI and PMLN are arent strong we found that their are diversity and the situation is worse in Tribal areas where we find only Pashtuns living in different tribes so due to that Punjab and Khaibar Pakhtunkuwa are very conservative province because their arent much cultural DIVERSITY in those regions of Pakistan and in the same way in Kashmir their are population of Punjab, Khaibar Pakhtunkuwa and Gilgit Baltistan also living and also in Gilgit Baltistan we saw same trend so that is why they are also more LIBERAL then Punjab or Khaibar Pakhtunkuwa in Pakistan.....

So in Pakistan its all about DIVERSITY which shape the minds of the people like in Punjab rich people are more liberal because they have luxury of traveling other parts of Pakistan quite frequently or they have many relatives living in other provinces as well so due to having diversity in families they are liberal while in Sindh and Punjab because of having so much diversity in society MAJORITY of people are LIBERALS....Just imagine Karachi for example their are three parties PPP, MQM and ANP and all three of them representing liberal mindset while in Lahore we have two parties having strong position PTI and PMLN and if we go to Rawalpindi then PML(Awaami) and PMLN are strong their and both have conservative mindset...So this is what a biggest confusion of creator of this thread and its conversation not converstaion...

Posted 1 year ago on 13 Jul 2010 17:12 #
bublibangash
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story talks about two extreme mindset of the country... an arrogant so called liberal belonging to the upper social strata and enjoying a impresive economic profile versus a common, conservative, or a true pakistani... it would have always been a trend in our country that teh first mindset (LP)underestimate and look down upon the second one (CP).... considering the religion practising people as fanatic, fundamentalisitc, sick, and religion as an out dated philosophy....

and mr. ghazi, i dont know why you get the impression in your mind that locals of khyber pukhtunkhwa are more conservative than the balochs and sindhis?????? we can applied this concept of identification of conservative mindset versus liberal and moderate as influenced by ecological settings on teh basis of categorization among the rural and urban centres of the each province and that would provide rather a better comparative appraoch in studying teh behavioral patterns of teh inhibatants.... rest, taht would be unfair to term the punjabis and pathans more conservative as compared to teh balochs and sindhis..... because, the diversity and heterogenity exist even in the pathans too... you can observe teh remarkable attidues among different sects of pathans from the FATA, from settle areas, those who have been migrated from afghanistan , those who have been brought up in the urbanized centres of teh province, those with different educational backgrounds, those have differnet interactional environment etc etc….

Posted 1 year ago on 13 Jul 2010 19:03 #
gazi23
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@bublibangash

lolzzz..You think all poors of Pakistan are conservatives and all rich of Pakistan are Liberals....I cant stop laughing at that....If this is what your opinion is then why people of Sindh and Baluchistan vote liberals instead of conservatives????Why are they mostly support their nationalist parties or any party having more secular mindset instead of religious????This is not about being rich or poor its all about living in a society in Pakistan in Sindh and Baluchistan societies are Multicultural while in Punjab and Khaibar Pakhtunkuwa societies are based on one culture like in Punjab its almost Punjabi culture while in Khaibar Pakhtunkuwa its almost Pashtuns and in case of Tribal agencies its completely Pashtun no wonder why people of tribal areas are most conservative in Pakistan and people of Karachi are most liberal...Even in Quetta is more multi cultural then Lahore as I see it as in Lahore Punjabi culture is most dominating while in Quetta their are Afghan(Hazara+Tajik), Pashtun(Pakistani), Punjabis and Baluch living side by side and Karachi would be the most multicultural city of South Asia ....So its not about Rich or Poor but its about social structure of Pakistan locality...which makes person liberal or conservative...So dont just get confused in that because neither Sindhis are very rich nor Baluch but still they all support more secular nationalist then conservative because of same reason that they have so much mix of different culture...Even in Baluch their are Sulaimani, Makrani and Bruhis so their are some division among them as well..

This rich being Liberal is nothing but a Bias that many supporters of Conservative parties want to promote to get some support while reality is very different from all that so this whole stuff cant work here as this is a very lame idea itself and it cant attract people towards it as people dont give damn about Liberal or Conservative but people are concern with their stomach and nothing else...

Posted 1 year ago on 13 Jul 2010 22:24 #
Shock
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Whoever posted this thread just wanna be Nadeem F. Paracha. Obviously these so called defenders of faith can't think of anything creative on their own, so wantinsaf had to copy this from a liberal person.

Posted 1 year ago on 13 Jul 2010 22:56 #
Shock
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Similar kind of discrimination is faced by people who aren't as religious or don't dress in the certain way. But nobody speaks about about that kind of discrimination. Anyways a poor effort to show yourself as a Common Pakistani.

Posted 1 year ago on 14 Jul 2010 0:19 #
wantinsaf
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@Shock

You had better treat the contents on merit.You failed to mention what was wrong with the post.Is there anything wrong?If there is,you had better point out that.

All the great people produced by Pakistan have promoted themselves as Pakistanis not liberals.This is what article was pointing out.Quaid e Azam never said my agenda is .He always advocated my agenda is Pakistan.So is the case with other greats like Iqbal,Qadeer Khan,Edhi,Imran Khan and many more.
NFP(National Fun Corporation) always maintained that there are only conservatives and liberals in Pakistan.But I am pointing out there are three types of people:common Pakistanis,liberals and conservatives.

Posted 1 year ago on 14 Jul 2010 7:21 #
wantinsaf
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Someone here tried to came up with his own definition to liberalism and conservatism.PPP despite being party of feudals is a liberal one.Isn't it strange?It infact is a rubbish.MQM,a terrorist group,is a liberal party.Even a bigger rubbish!
All the ethno nationalist parties have now become liberal despite liberalism stops people from becoming ethno nationalists.

Posted 1 year ago on 14 Jul 2010 7:27 #
Shock
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@wantinsaf

Even Imran called himself a liberal. But what is your definition of a liberal? Why was the conversation only between a liberal and CP? why not all three?

There is no such thing as centre. Everybody is a Pakistani. There is not a single country on earth that decides who is a muslim or who is kaafir except Pakistan. You can feel proud of it, I don't.

Posted 1 year ago on 14 Jul 2010 7:28 #
rashidsaleem
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Liberals are not at war with Islam. Let’s be clear on that. Everyone should be against the atrocities of Taliban committed in the name of religion. Plus liberals are not just foreigners people, as the popular misconception goes. Liberals is just an ideology and I know so many Pakistani born nationals who are inclined towards liberalism and are active to promote it because it is our only solution.

Posted 1 year ago on 14 Jul 2010 7:32 #
wantinsaf
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@shock

Where did I say Imran is not a liberal.In fact all the muslims are born liberals.What differentiate Imran from other so called liberal is Imran has never advocated his agenda is liberalism.But these so called liberals have always advocated their agenda is only liberalism.

What do you think Holy Prophet was not a liberal.He surely was but his agenda was Islam,not liberalism.

Those who are kafirs are kafirs.Americans and you can not make them Muslims.Islam has clearly defined its boundaries and those who have crossed them are certainly kafirs.

Posted 1 year ago on 14 Jul 2010 7:38 #
Beenai
Moderator

being an extremist in your thoughts is anyways dangerous .
no matter ,one is extremely rightest .
or extremely liberal .

Posted 1 year ago on 14 Jul 2010 8:06 #
wantinsaf
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@RashidSaleem

Pakistani liberals and their leader can not go at war with Islam as they know Muslims have strong belief in God which makes them strongest in the world.Pakistani liberals are infidels who don't want to show their true identity.Who says Islamic teachings are outdated?Who is against Sharia?
This is what makes them "asteen ka sanp "for Muslim world.
Who is against freedom of Kashmir?
Who is against Freedom of Palestine?
Who is against the unity of Muslim world?
Who says there is no true Islam?
Who says we should follow USA rather tha Islam?

Talibans are a new phenomena and so is suicide bombing but liberals and their liking for west has been there since far long

Posted 1 year ago on 14 Jul 2010 8:37 #
sasherwani
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hahaha!

What has the intellect come down to?

A guy writes a ridiculous fictious story between a liberal and a "common Pakistani" (by the way i think liberals, conservatives and moderates ALL are common Pakistanis) and wants us to learn a lesson from the story.. seriously.. is this the best you could come up with? Obviously whatever happened in your story is self-made and fabricated fiction - because reality is oh so different!

Liberals, Conservatives or moderates do not make up the only three different segments of the society. Our society is a lot more diverse than that. I have seen liberals with a beard - maybe not for religious reasons. I have clean shaven conservatives. Your stereotypical story is not representative of the real Pakistan. Pakistan is a lot more colorful and vibrant than your bland observations. Not every liberal drives a air-conditioned car. Nor does every liberal hate mullas. I have seen mullas talking against other mullas during friday prayers! I have seen Taliban-supporting liberals and I have seen conservatives who detest Talibans calling them evil and Israeli agendas!

Write a new story.. but this time, try thinking outside the box.. perhaps you should take those ethnocentric self-loving and hate-monging shades off and see the world in color!

Posted 1 year ago on 14 Jul 2010 8:48 #
gv
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@sasherwani

well said - pakistan is pretty hard to compartmentalise so crudely

However i think wantisaf is correct in elaborating a mindset here which is indicative of a large proportion of our middle class/upper class elites..

Posted 1 year ago on 14 Jul 2010 9:41 #
bublibangash
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@gazi

Did I say that it’s actually the amount of money one have, responsible for making him liberal?????????? Not at all…. My comment is divided into two paras… the first in response to the above story (read out the story again and then go through my opinion in its given context since in the story that have been mentioned in the story abt the social status of the liberal Pakistani) and second contradicting to your assumption that people of Khyber Pukhtunkhwa and Punjab are more conservative rather than the rest of the provinces….. I differ to you over that………..
Liberal and conservative are two extreme mindsets and the common Pakistanis ranges in between the two… moderate mindset is the balanced one…. And present in varying degrees among the Pakistanis across the different regions of the country…. It’s either oriented towards the conservative mindset or liberal depending upon the ecological setting of the particular environment, in villages, most of the people are conservative or closer to the conservative mindset because of their rigid conformity to the local customs and concepts while the people living in cities have the tendency to think in a liberal way, and they accept the change relatively at a faster pace … and that’s the reason we can observe that feudal lords of the rural areas are more narrow minded than the poor or the middle class educated personnel living in urban areas….
It’s actually the interaction and exposure to the external environment that broadens our horizons and makes us more liberal…. It’s our educational experiences, our orientation, and our socialization that influence the perception which in turn shaped our attitudes and way of thinking………… and that’s the reason that the people who are brought up in the urban areas are more liberal as compared to the rural population….. Irrespective of the provinces.....

Just have a glance at the rural areas of the sindh and baluchistan,,, and compare them to the Lahore and Peshawar???? And decide yourself; are the people of interior sindh and rural Baluchistan liberal than the peshawaris and lahoris????????????? I don’t think soooo……

Posted 1 year ago on 14 Jul 2010 15:26 #
sweettruth
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This is a sickening and rubbish interview to simply bash liberals in Pakistan by an extremist paid spokesperson of PTI, wantinsaf. What does he want to prove with this absurd interview?? Not every common Pakistani is a conservative person. Majority of voters are Left leaning and vote liberal parties. Even PML-N is a centre Right party NOT far right like PTI and Jamat Islami or JUI. Far Right parties are rejected by voters at the ballot box. During last general election, majority of seats were won by moderate candidates of PPP, PML-N, PML-Q, MQM and ANP. In his every post, Mr. wantinsaf severely bashes USA but his leader Imran Khan visits America several times a year to collect chanda from Americans. In his every post, wantinsaf like his leader supports Talibans and tries to justify their acts. He loves bashing people who have moderate views and want a peaceful and side-by-side existence of different religious groups exercising their beliefs freely.

Religious disharmony and growing intolerance are main reasons for current religious anarchy in Pakistan. Increasing number of attacks on worship places like suicide attack on Data Darbar and other worship places verifies my claim. In my view, mixing Religion and Politics lead to social anarchy and disharmony.

Posted 1 year ago on 14 Jul 2010 16:27 #
wantinsaf
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@Sweettruth
It's not an interview idiot.It rather is a conversation which takes place everyday in Pakistan.But you guys are busy promoting ethno-nationalism and terrorism in Pakistan.Talbans are terrorists so is MQM.Except ethno nationalist mohajers,everyone in Pakistan considers MQM as a terrorist group.
Is serving US interests in Pakistan liberalism?If that's the definition to liberalism,then MQM certainly is.But if liberalism is about promoting tolerance and peace rather than ethno nationalism,then MQM certainly is not.
How can you say I support Talibans?Give me some proof.If I am against MQM,that doesn't make Talibans supporter.
I am strong believer of Islam and Islam doesn't come from Talibans.It rather comes from Quran and Sunnah.
Religion is path society should follow and for that you had better study Quran.Right and wrong only comes from Quran.It doesn't come from West or Your American masters.
Can you refer us to even a single verse of Quran which says that society should not seek Quran's help in all the matters.
You won't understand as you are born servant.be Pakistan.Don't be American servant.

Posted 1 year ago on 14 Jul 2010 18:47 #
wantinsaf
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It is not unusual that we come across mental retards.This post nowhere advocates Talibans are good.This post only advocates that we all need to share the blame.Talibans have been found involved in suicide bombing,so have been many others voting for terrorists,corrupts,incompetents,and anti Pakistan elements.Won't they like to share the blame and take responsibility for changing themselves?
There is nothing wrong in being liberal like Muhammed and Iqbal but it becomes a problem when liberalism becomes your agenda.Liberalism is too short in front of Islam and Pakistan.
I am just advocating that we should start promoting ourselves as Muslim and Pakist ani.And difference between right and wrong should come from Quran,not USA and some western liberal intellectual.

Posted 1 year ago on 14 Jul 2010 19:00 #
Shock
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"Where did I say Imran is not a liberal.In fact all the muslims are born liberals.What differentiate Imran from other so called liberal is Imran has never advocated his agenda is liberalism.But these so called liberals have always advocated their agenda is only liberalism."

Okay, there is nothing wrong with declaring your agenda as liberalism. Imran is a pu$$y in front of jamaat, he doesn't have the ballz to do that. And he has a right to promote whatever agenda. We all know about his past, now that he is old, all of a sudden him and his supporters are preaching us Islam.

"What do you think Holy Prophet was not a liberal.He surely was but his agenda was Islam,not liberalism."

I am not talking about holy prophet.

"Those who are kafirs are kafirs.Americans and you can not make them Muslims.Islam has clearly defined its boundaries and those who have crossed them are certainly kafirs. "

Okay, where did I say that kafirs are muslim? But name one country, where a government decides that people are kaafirs? if England starts calling all muslims as kaafir because they don't believe in their religion how would you feel? Islam is used by reatards to opress people. I am completely against the mixing religion with state. call me whatever. And this will happen, because Pakistan cannot survive without it. You have already seen that in the past. I mean who the hell r u to impose your Islamic boundaries on me? If this is not extremism then what is?

Posted 1 year ago on 14 Jul 2010 23:32 #
sasherwani
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Being a big fan of Imran Khan - the cricketer, I am now understaning why he failed as a politician. People representing his party dont carry 1/1,000,000th the intellect he does..

Posted 1 year ago on 15 Jul 2010 6:14 #
toamin
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okay may be that story given in first post was a fictitious one but response here from brown sahibs (i mean desi liberals) is quite self evident :)

Posted 1 year ago on 15 Jul 2010 9:06 #
wantinsaf
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@Sasherwani
First let me educate you regarding failure or success.Success and failure is decided at the end of struggle.Imran's struggle has just started and it is getting bigger and bigger everyday.

You need to respond the contents on merit rather than labelling someone as conservative or less intellectual.

PTI is the only party whose representatives have not been found in any malpractice.This infact is an achievement considering the fact political parties in Pakistan are like terrorist groups and Bhuuta Khor.

What's wrong with the post,you yet have got to mention that?So you had better point out the flaws in contents of the post.

Posted 1 year ago on 15 Jul 2010 11:51 #
sweettruth
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@sasherwani

Very good analysis for the wantinsaf who started this of this absurd threat.

@wantinsaf

Yar why don’t you drag MQM in every post? What MQM has to do with this thread and title of this thread or absurd contents of the interview? In order to hide your weaknesses and divert attention from main topic, Mr. wantinsaf drags MQM in his every thread. This thread shows mental level of a paid PTI spokesperson and also his mental confusion. Imran should take him on his summer holidays to give him some political lessons so he could learn how to behave and write comments on Internet. Fan club is failing to make any impression on Internet. PTI has already failed in all bye elections and chances are very slim for them to even win one single seat from anywhere in Pakistan. Sensible and moderate voters of Pakistan will continue to reject PTI at ballot box and responsibility rests on extremists like wantinsaf and his leader Imran Khan who spends more time abroad rather than with his voters. This delusion of Internet support through fan club is not working for PTI at ballot box.

I have been long saying Imran's main job is chanda collection for his charity work (which is a very good work task) and he does politics as his hobby; his poor workers especially fan club members headed by wantinsaf are being fooled by Imran. I hope one day these poor/naive workers to wake up to realize how they were being fooled by Imran.

May God mercy on poor naive workers of PTI

Posted 1 year ago on 15 Jul 2010 12:53 #
LiberalKarachi
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That sounds like a definition of a liberal written by a pro-Taliban extremist. Next we will be seeing description of the sun by a blind fellow. The Founder of Pakistan was the biggest liberal out there. The real definition of a Liberal:

1) broad: showing or characterized by broad-mindedness; "a broad political stance"; "generous and broad sympathies"; "a liberal newspaper"; "tolerant of his opponent's opinions"
2) having political or social views favoring reform and progress
3) tolerant of change; not bound by authoritarianism, orthodoxy, or tradition

"Liberal:I am not concerned about corruption,poverty,inflation,religion and injustice.I am only concerned about what would happen if talibans conquers the parliment."

That sounds more like our pro-taliban friends who want to make Pakistan the next Afghanistan instead of the liberal Pakistan of Quaid-e-Azam, where there is freedom, tolerance, social and economical well-being of the masses.

Posted 1 year ago on 15 Jul 2010 21:32 #
LiberalKarachi
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This thread reminds me of this post http://tanzeel.wordpress.com/2009/04/24/you-know-you-are-from-pti-when/

You know you are from PTI when:

* You curse each and every political leader on earth.
* You freely discuss personal life of Salman Taseer and his daughters but never let anyone discuss Imran’s past.
* The only arguments you use to counter MQMites are “12th May”, “Altaf Hussain’s Salaam” and the word “Chooran”
* You don’t hesitate to gang up with even Jiyalas when it comes to argue with MQM
* Through out the year you PROTEST
* You criticize USA for challenging Pakistan’s sovereignty but conveniently ignore Taleban/ Al Qaeda for doing the same in FATA
* You lodge more protests in UK & US than your home land
* Your leader has more fame than his vote bank
* You pretend to be moderate Muslims but your political compass tilts towards Jamat e Islami
* To remain in limelight your leader often holds small rallies in Islamabad
* You never realized that PTI’s voter’s average age is actually 15 year.
* Your party scatters after regular intervals.
* Your leader spends more time in giving Tv interviews
* The only excuse of defeat your party leader gives is “it’s a new party”
* You actually spend more time on internet to justify party manifesto than to work for it.
* Through out the year your leader campaigns for the change but when change comes he goes into hiding
* You don’t accept the fact that there is one man show in your party
* You actually support Taleban
* You don’t know any other PTI leader’s name.
* Your presence in Karachi is still ZERO.
*When you enter in Karachi you call MQM natural allies
* Your attention seeking argument is “Insaaf Zindabad”

http://tanzeel.wordpress.com/2009/04/24/you-know-you-are-from-pti-when/

It's all in good humour, you can make the same about MQM if it makes you feel better.

Posted 1 year ago on 15 Jul 2010 21:42 #
Shock
Members

@Salaam

Yeah, one can also easily identify the comments and posts of true muslims (taliban spokesman).

Posted 1 year ago on 16 Jul 2010 6:04 #
wantinsaf
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@LiberalKarachi

I am a pro Taliban extremist,you can call me whatever you want.But the extremist is the one who kills people and MQM is quite famous for that.But as MQM preaches an ethno nationalist mohajer can kill others and there is nothing wrong with that.

There is no killing case against me or anyone else from PTI but there are 234 killing cases against just one leader of MQM.SO who is extremist?NO,he can never be because he is mohajer.Mohajers can never be extremist no matter how many people they kill.

1)Broad:Does broad mean licking American shoes and getting invlolved into their war?Yes to MQM's mental retards this is how it meant.Does broad mean going to India and abusing Pakistan?
God has given us guidelines and Muslims are supposed to follow them and they are too broad to cover.
Who is broad?The one who talks about justice,self respect and humanity or the one who advocates mohajers are the better creature?
2-Who is favouring reforms?Those who vote for Musharaf and Zardari or the ones who talk of tax reforms and education reforms?
3- tolerance?what tolerance?Tolerance for killing people or the tolerance for making Karachi,a home for ethnic killings?

But mental retard like you would never understand and I just pray to God to make you understand this.

Posted 1 year ago on 16 Jul 2010 8:05 #
sasherwani
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@ wantinsaf,

It nothing against Imran, I just wish he had less stereotypical and more mature ppl representing his party. I would defend Imran any day over corrupt politicians like nawaz, zardari and altaf 'provided' he drops his taliban-supporting image.

Posted 1 year ago on 16 Jul 2010 12:20 #
wantinsaf
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@Sasherwani

What is this Taliban supporting image?You are perhaps trying to give impression he supports Talibans.If that's the case how can you say that?

Don't expect people to become what you are.What I have found is(it's a well established fact),all people who are inclined towards Islam are against co called war against terror.Zakir Nayak,Edhi,Imran,Late Dr Israr and many others have contented that war against terror is being to divide Muslims.

But what the hell these so called liberals have got to do with Islam or Pakistan?They are only concerned about making money and night partying.

Tell me what's wrong with the post?You have badly failed to mention even a little point about that.

A common Pakistan is not concerned about liberalism and he/she surely is not Mulla,and that's what I have pointed out.

Posted 1 year ago on 16 Jul 2010 12:42 #
sweettruth
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@Liberal Karachi

Well Done! Bravo!

Your post above is the best I have ever seen and congratulate you to correctly describe Imran and his tanga party.

All bullet points are 100% correct and fits on Imran and his tanga party.

Posted 1 year ago on 16 Jul 2010 12:57 #
semirza
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Members should stay on topic. Comments that are not relating to the thread topic will be removed.

Posted 1 year ago on 16 Jul 2010 13:17 #
wantinsaf
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@Semirza
You had better arrange a seminar for few mental retards on on this forum who love using weapon in politics and discussing rubbish on political forums.This seminar must educate these mental retards how to stick to the topic.

Posted 1 year ago on 16 Jul 2010 13:28 #
semirza
Moderator

@wantinsaf
No Offense intended, you can do without the word 'mental retards' which is a bit provocative.

I value your feed back. Will discuss with my superiors.
Thanks.

Posted 1 year ago on 16 Jul 2010 13:34 #
sweettruth
Member

Who will vote a party which has bad-mannered people like wantinsaf in their ranks as paid spokesperson of PTI?

I like idea of moderator semirza to rein Mr. wantinsaf in for his never-ending foul language and utter disrespect for other Blog members.

Sentiments can be expressed without using bad language.

Posted 1 year ago on 16 Jul 2010 14:20 #
wantinsaf
Member

@SweetTruth

Rather than teaching me any manners,You had better ask yourself why we use weapon in politics and kill innocent peopl.If you had ever asked this question to yourself,then you would have been never a mental retard.

Against PTI,people resort on weapons and rigging to win election.But it was MQM which made record of gettting highest number of votes in an election.IT GOT JUST 46 VOTES,what a popular party MQM is?One can easily win election through rigging,weapons and ethno nationalism.

Posted 1 year ago on 16 Jul 2010 14:27 #
sweettruth
Member

@wantinsaf (hawkish member of PTI)

I have told you before I do not belong to MQM but I do like some of their policies especially their strong opposition for Taliban terrorists which you and your fake leader Imran support. Why Imran is a lobbyist for Talibans in Pakistan? Why doesn't Imran condemn terrorism of Taliban mafia?

You guys have such a small tanga party that you keep losing all the elections. At least MQM has a vote bank in Urban Sind and their political influence is increasing in other parts of the country. Can you tell us how many seats have you won in the last 15 years?

You make noises after losing all elections; if you have complaint then you should go to Election Commission with proof of rigging. Why do you use media to spread your false propaganda? Imran’s presence on media is due to his friendship with some anchormen that is why he gets some time on TV shows supporting talibans and spreading his conservative views; otherwise how many people know Imran in politics? Answer is not many.

Learn some manners and avoid using bad language

Posted 1 year ago on 16 Jul 2010 15:36 #
semirza
Moderator

Lets us call it flag of truce now.

Sweet Truth. I have been hearing what IK says. He is asking to use a table and negotiate instead of drones and fighter planes. There are some areas where negotiated truce is still holding. Now is this taking sides of Taliban?

Wantinsaf. If Sweet Truth says he is not from the MQM than so be it.

Lets have some real discussion minus provocative slogans.

Posted 1 year ago on 16 Jul 2010 15:45 #
sasherwani
Members

WantInsaf,

Another one of your stereotypical, judgemental and
ethnocentric ideas..

"But what the hell these so called liberals have got to do with Islam or Pakistan?They are only concerned about making money and night partying"

Like I pointed out earlier.. Imran needs better representatives or else unfortunately he will never be successful. He needs educated and talented people who can think outside the box and respect ppl belonging to all political and religious ideologies and be able to connect with all of them. Imran needs to communicate with everyone from liberals to conservatives, from men to women, from the elderly to the kids, from the villagers to the metro crowd, from the punjabis to the sindhis and from the rich to the poor. Stereotyping or bashing any of them will limit his vote bank and shall diminish his already unimpressive support. This is sincere advice coming from someone who would like to see honest individuals like Imran, Sattar Edhi, Qadeer Khan etc to have key positions in the government.

Posted 1 year ago on 17 Jul 2010 5:17 #