The UN has tarnished its own image by accepting that it not only is unable to have its resolutions implemented, it would always side with defiant nations. It has also, by implication, sanctioned atrocities and human rights violations in Kashmir. It has removed Kashmir from its agenda of unresolved disputes. Now do the weaker nations have any faith in this organization which only provides support to the mighty nations to destroy the weaker ones. The Kashmir issue will remain unresolved till the blood is running in the veins of Kashmiris. Read more at: http://fmeducation.wordpress.com/2010/11/15/kashmir-reduced-to-mere-k-word/
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A darkest day in the history of the United Nations and Pakistan
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hsaqib17
MemberPosted 1 year ago on 15 Nov 2010 16:40 # -
Yasser6
BlockedI wonder if this news is correct. No Pakistani newspaper has reported it.How can Pakistan Government accept it without protests?
Posted 1 year ago on 15 Nov 2010 20:18 # -
spruce
MemberIT'S TRUE,
united nation working under pressure of USA and Israil, what they order they do the same,united nation could not made thier own decesion.
Posted 1 year ago on 15 Nov 2010 21:25 # -
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
@Yasser6: Looks like you do not know;
(1) what UN is
(2) what UN represents
(3) who's interests does UN represent
(4) who's interests UN does not represent
(5) how UN was made
(6) who made UN
(7) when UN was made
(8) why was UN created
(9) who funds it
(10) who has decision making power in UN
(11) who has action taking power in UN
(12) for what was UN made
(13) what is history of UN
(14) what is UN's track record since it was created
(15) what is UN's track record in the distant past
(16) what is UN's track record in recent past?
You need to learn, improve, understand, broaden the scope of 'canvas' of your thought process. Think big!. Think huge!. Think mega huge! (which is to say, think more big :D).
Posted 1 year ago on 15 Nov 2010 21:30 # -
spruce
Member@hariskhan
Muslim Countries Must Rethink United Nations
The United Nations, after the United States had spurned the League of Nations, was forged mainly out of President Roosevelt's idea of "Four Policemen" - the United States, the Soviet Union, Britain and China - to police the postwar world. Later, on Churchill's suggestion France was brought in as "Fifth Policeman". The Big Five made up the Security Council with the right to veto on all issues that come before it. The power to veto was considered essential for there could be no "peace" in the postwar world if the Big Five did not agree. The acquisition of veto power by the organization's five most powerful member states, for all practical purposes, reduced the 184 non-veto members into a mere polyglot body of impotence, called General Assembly.
The United Nations Security Council, a totally undemocratic body, is composed of a privileged group of five countries with colonial and imperial past. Czarist Russia was known as the "prison house of nations" as it brutally and autocratically ruled over many peoples, including Georgians, Azerbaijanis and Turkic peoples. Imperialist China, through invasion and occupation, brought Tibet, Xinjiang, Mongolia, Manchuria and Taiwan under its jurisdiction. France and Great Britain exploited and ruled over many colonies all over the world. U.S. may not have occupied colonies in the manner of France and Britain, but it rules the world, like empires of the past, with its most extensive system of military bases.
Stalin's declaration shortly after the war, that "no peaceful international order is possible" between the communists and the capitalist-imperial world, and Churchill's famous "iron curtain" speech at Westminster College in Fulton, Missouri set off the cold war. For the next four decades exchange of nasty barbs and fiery words between the diplomats of east and West characterized the world forum. The U.N., during the East versus West conflict, was powerless to bend any of the two superpowers or their client states to its will. Soviet invasion of Hungary and Afghanistan; American invasion of Vietnam, and recently Iraq; India's (an erstwhile Soviet client state) seizure of Portuguese enclave of Goa, Israel's (an American client state) flagrant violation of every U.N. resolution, are just a few blaring example of the United Nations' inability to contain the members of the Veto Club or their client states.
The Security Council effectively serves the five economically and militarily powerful nations to dictate and perpetuate the dominance over the less powerful countries, fomenting serious global crises. The power of veto did much, as intended, to ensure that general memberships would never unpleasantly surprise the "Big Brothers" by a show of unity and tenacity that would bind them to the lofty principles of the U.N. charter.
With the fall of the Berlin wall, the most conspicuous of all symbols of the cold war, in November 1989, comes the end of the East-West conflict. The death of the cold war resurrected the age old West's animosity towards Arabs and Muslims. Islam replaced communism as the principal adversary of Western liberal democracy. The hostility that was, to some degree, calmed by the presence of the big bear of communism resuscitated into a screeching storm of anti-Arab and anti-Muslim invective. Since the disintegration of the Soviet Union and the unipolarization of the world, a new crusade against Islam and the "Islamic peril" is being wagged on all fronts: news media, academia, State Department, NSC, and the U.N. Security Council. The repressive measures of boycott, sanctions, and embargo, are reserved exclusively for Muslim Nations. The United States and the Great Britain employ the U.N. to impose their ideas on the rest of the world. They found it convenient to declare nations that have not caved in to their pressures "totalitarian" or "rogue states."
After the bitter experience of the Vietnam War United states came to realize that a unilateral international action is increasingly likely to be condemned abroad and unpopular at home. A military operation under the U.N. flag, rather than the Stars and Stripes, would internationally legitimize the action. Thus, U.N. has been reduced to a law enforcement agency of the U.S. State Department. It has won U.N. not the respect, but the contempt. It lost its credibility and became irrelevant, particularly in the Muslim world.
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Advertisements not controlled by IslamiCityIn a just and civilized community, crimes of like nature elicit like punishment regardless of the perpetrator. United Nations, under the tutelage of Western power, is free of any such moral restraint. If we look at United Nations' retributive actions we would find an invariable pattern of categorical prejudice against Muslim countries.
In 1988, an American airliner was sabotaged over Lockerbie Scotland; blame went to Libya. Gadhafi's refusal to hand over the two alleged suspects in the bombing, on the terms dictated by a country whose only justification is its power, brought the U.N. wrath. A few years later, on some other trumped up charge, American warplanes bombed Gadhafi's residence killing his infant daughter. Compare the U.N. treatment of Lockerbie incident with the American downing of an Iranian airliner in the same year, during the tension in the Persian Gulf, killing more than 300 passengers. U.N. slapped Libya with sanctions, and adopted a complete silence on American downing of Iranian civilian airliner. The silence speaks volume about U.N. dealing fairly and equally with all concerned.
On 2 August 1990, the United Nations Security Council imposed economic sanctions on Iraq in response to its invasion of Kuwait. The U.N. trade embargo prohibited the import or export of goods or capital into or from Iraq. As a result of the U.N. imposed sanctions, according to former U.S. Attorney General Ramsey Clark, about 10,000 Iraqis died each month. In a letter to U.N. Mr. Clark stated, "The history of this violent century does not reveal a more deadly, cruel, inhumane and degrading torture of the whole population of an entire nation inflicted by foreign power for so long a period of time. That a deed is done in the name of the United Nations Security Council demonstrates its cowardly surrender to the will of the United States..." The U.N. Children's Fund estimated that 4,500 Iraqi children perished every month - one every ten minutes - as a direct result of American led U.N. sanctions.
In May 1995, then U.S. representative in the U.N., Madeleine Albright, cheerfully vetoed a Security Council resolution that called on Israel to reverse its decision to expropriate land in East Jerusalem. Ms. Albright is reported saying: "by injecting Council into this issue, this resolution would merely compound the problem." Contrast Ms. Albright's above statement with what she said when asked about the mass killing of the Iraqi children as a result of the Security Council's resolution, she unabashedly said that 500,000 dead Iraqi children were "worth it to enforce the resolutions."
Iraq's illegal occupation of Kuwait was not any more criminal than the Indian oppression of Kashmir or Israel's occupation of Palestine, Syrian territory or Southern Lebanon. If Iraq's occupation of Kuwait called for the U.N. Sanctions then, in all fairness, India and Israel should have also been subjected to the same punishment for they were guilty of the same crime. With the U.S. backing in the U.N. Security Council, Israel never faced the U.N. embargo for provocating the international will and making mockery of the Security Council resolutions. Using its veto power, the United States has stymied every effort to restrain Israeli violence and violation of international laws.
Today, the Security Council, by imposing sanctions on Iran for its nuclear program, once again, proved that it's not a neutral and an objective body, but a highly politicized and blatantly discriminatory forum where members of the veto club protect themselves and their client states against the U.N. retribution, or block actions for political gains. United Nations in its discriminatory double standard singled out Iran for its nuclear program while completely ignoring any sanction against Israel for its stockpiles of nuclear weapons. The United States and Great Britain will never allow the Israeli nuclear program to U.N. scrutiny; Israel will never face the U.N.'s reprisal for violating more than 60 Security Council resolutions, thanks to the U.S. veto.
Security Council's bulldoggish manner in implementing resolutions against Muslim countries, and at the same time completely ignoring the other equally valid resolutions against Israel and India, shows its fixed state of mind - consistent discrimination against one set of people - Muslims.
Muslim countries must rethink the United Nations.
Posted 1 year ago on 15 Nov 2010 21:58 # -
Yasser6
Blockedhariskhan
Are you being sarcastic or egotist?
Posted 1 year ago on 15 Nov 2010 22:01 # -
@yasser6
Thread topic is 'A darkest day in the history of the UN and Pakistan'.
A member may be sarcastic and/or egoist. Let us adhere to thread topic.Posted 1 year ago on 15 Nov 2010 22:08 # -
Yasser6
BlockedModerator
Please read my first comment and Mr. hariskhan's response!
Posted 1 year ago on 15 Nov 2010 22:13 # -
Noticed Yasser6. Your's and hariskhan's. My suggestion for you still stands. Kindly stick to the topic at hand. UNO is certainly not a much favoured organization; It never was.
Posted 1 year ago on 15 Nov 2010 22:18 # -
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
@Yasser6: Sarcasm, perhaps. I don't even think its sarcasm. I think its an 'invitation', a pat on the back for 'encouragement' from me to you, to 'improve'.
There is nothing egotist about it. I learn something new everyday myself. I make mistakes myself. I improve on mistakes myself. I learn something myself. I openly accept my mistakes.
I have 'learned' to 'burry' my 'ego'. I have worked up on it. I will continue to work on it.
A Muslim continues to 'study', continues to 'improve' himself, as well as those around him, all throughout his life, and encourages others around him to do the same.
Posted 1 year ago on 15 Nov 2010 22:19 # -
@yasser6
"Please read my first comment and Mr. hariskhan's response! "Haris is 100% right -- it WAS "an 'invitation', a pat on the back for 'encouragement' from me to you, to 'improve'"
It is your perceived (and completely wrong) notions about UN that made it appear to you to be something else. ;-)
Posted 1 year ago on 16 Nov 2010 2:43 # -
@yasser6
"I wonder if this news is correct. No Pakistani newspaper has reported it.How can Pakistan Government accept it without protests? "Another thing you seem unaware of is the Pakistan Govt.
That the news is correct of that there is no doubt. Indian papers are full of it:
Separatists fume as UN drops Kashmir from pending disputes listSeparatists are seething over the United Nations’ (UN’s) decision to drop Jammu and Kashmir from a list of long-pending international disputes.
The Hurriyat Conference led by Mirwaiz Umar Farooq has asked secretary general Ban Ki-moon to clarify UN position on the issue since its security council has adopted 18 resolutions on Kashmir.
“I think there is some technical mistake. Otherwise, it is not possible to drop Kashmir from the list. Around 18 resolutions have been adopted by the UN on Kashmir. How can they deny it now?” Mirwaiz said.
Kashmir issue removed from list of disputes under UN
UNSC doesn't list J&K as dispute
India welcomes exclusion of J&K from U.N. listAnd if you still doubt it, this one from US should clue you in:
Kashmir is India's 'internal' issue: US envoyUS today said it was an "internal issue" of India and should be resolved bilaterally through negotiations with Pakistan.
"This is an internal issue for India. It is a bilateral issue between Pakistan and India, to discuss term, scope, character and pace," US Ambassador Timothy Roemer said.
Now read it carefully. Sure it says "it is a bilateral issue between Pakistan and India" BUT it qualifies it FIRST with "This is an internal issue for INDIA" and India ALONE.
Posted 1 year ago on 16 Nov 2010 2:54 # -
junaid
MemberUN is a joke being controlled by zionists to kill mankind
Posted 1 year ago on 16 Nov 2010 4:18 # -
Yasser6
BlockedNota
I had made a comment which simply expressed my total disbeleif in the news.Read it again if you wish. I received a simple and to the point answer from Irshad.
"IT'S TRUE,
united nation working under pressure of USA and Israil, what they order they do the same,united nation could not made thier own decesion."
Now read hariskhan's and your comments. Are these comments necessary? If you still beleive that they were then Good Luck. I made a mistake by asking a question. I should have done more research. I am on my knees and ask for forgiveness.
Posted 1 year ago on 16 Nov 2010 7:19 # -
@Yasser6
""IT'S TRUE,
united nation working under pressure of USA and Israil, what they order they do the same,united nation could not made thier own decesion."Again, this is buying into the whole UN myth. UN is doing what it was designed to do, not working under any 'pressure'.
BTW: No need to ask for forgiveness or getting down on your knees ;-)Posted 1 year ago on 16 Nov 2010 7:49 # -
Well the reports of this certainly caught UN attention and they have come up with this explanation:
UNITED NATIONS: The Jammu and Kashmir dispute remains on the United Nations Security Council’s agenda, a UN spokesman categorically stated Monday, while rejecting as “inaccurate” reports that it has been removed from the list of unresolved issues.
“Some articles today on Kashmir are inaccurate,” UN Spokesman Farhan Haq said, referring to those reports.
He said the latest list of matters the Security Council is seized of “continues to include the agenda item under which the Council has taken up Kashmir which, by a decision of the Council, remains on the list for this year,” the spokesman added.
Earlier, a spokesman for the Pakistan Mission clarified that Pakistan’s Acting Ambassador Amjad Hussain Sial, in his speech to the General Assembly on Friday, November 12 had referred to the omission of Jammu and Kashmir dispute in a statement by the President of the Security Council, and NOT from the Council’s Annual Report-as reported in a section of press.
“The agenda item entitled, ‘India and Pakistan Question’, which covers Jammu and Kashmir dispute, is duly mentioned in the Annual Report of the Security Council and is also present on its agenda,” Spokesman Mian
http://www.thenews.com.pk/latest-news/4947.htm
Funny thing is I cannot find this "Annual Report of the Security Council", nor the "India and Pakistan Question" item anywhere (not even on the UNSC site). If any one finds a link, do paste it here...
Posted 1 year ago on 16 Nov 2010 8:35 #
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