A website that claims exposure of non-political activities by MQM to citizens of Pakistan:
http://www.terroristleaks.com/
Why not exposure of all political parties in Pakistan having armed wings with one aim - to intimidate/terrorise/murder opponents.
scandinavian
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Yes, why only single out MQM. Every party/gang with arms should be included!
Which political parties have armed wings?
- MQM
- ANP
- PPP
- PML-N?
- PML-Q?
Which other parties?
Which religious parties have armed wings?
- Sunni Tehreek?
Which other parties?
Terrorist leaks has provided for a much need insight exposing armed wings of MQM.
This also calls for exposure of all armed wings that belong to political parties and not just MQM alone.
Terrorist leaks should expose PPP, ANP and JI controlled armed terrorists busy in Karachi and other parts of Pakistan.
scandinavian
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What about other parties? Let's expose them all. I know some of them a worse than others, but they all need to be exposed!
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@s.e.Mirza
I am not agreed with you to the point about terrorist wings of ANP or ppp, I am not ignoring their presence with weapons but they are defensive and surviving against MQM criminal mafia.
if they are criminal like MQM then why they not made criminal activities or destabilizing MQM power with mushraf in Karachi.
My message to all is that all the ethnics are peaceful and want to develop Karachi city if they are against how and why they cooperated with MQM and they were encouraging them and hoping that it is good move by MQM they are working for city. Even other ethnics were deprived from many things but they remained calm and awaited for their turn, this is democratic way which should be applied in politics and need patient and tolerance.
I have friend worked with rauf siddiqi he said they released criminals from jail and appointed in police and their appointment took place from nine zero rather then home dept office.
MQM choosed wrong path and now they should face the consequences.
They realizing that they are not part of Pakistan society while not tolerating others.
It should be noted Karachi is international city and property of Pakistan and no one has a right to claim its father’s property.
Those who migrated were not promised that they will be alone owner of Karachi and they will kick all people of Pakistan out of city.
Muhajirs are our brothers but among those involved in criminal activities are enemy of all pskiatnees.
They put down the guns I assure all there will be peace.
If they will kill one then response will be same from any one.
They feel they are intelligent and making others fool.
But it is saying from saydna ali(Ra) that any person makes fool to other this mean he is himself fool.
@Scandinavian
Yes, why not. Other political parties having armed wings should be exposed as well.
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@S.E.M
other parties are easy to deal but now we need to eliminate MQM first they are main cause of problem.
@irshad
Politics and terrorism are two different issues. Political parties should never have armed factions among their ranks.
Having armed factions as a detterent or for defensive purpose is absurd cuz all armed wings have been/still being used to terrorise, blackmail, extortion/bhatta/funds, vote in favour on gunpoint even murder of political opponents. Is this not true?
I say all armed wings be dissolved voluntarily and that includes MQM.
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@S.E.M
"Politics and terrorism are two different issues. Political parties should never have armed factions among their ranks."
And most likely such armed goons will get out of control of their political masters too. They will surely try to make money on their own. Do a couple of "jobs" for the political party and also do a couple or more jobs for themselves.
"I say all armed wings be dissolved voluntarily and that includes MQM."
I say let them do it voluntarily, but don't expect them to do so. In that case then use force against them
Sure brother. Allow them a chance to unarm voluntarily and if they don't then all options are open including army operations.
Irony is that most of the social out casts/hardcore criminals/local police have been taken on payroll/perks by political parties. Some have even been intered into the Police department to facilitate and forward their henious agendas.
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I guess this is the website Shahid Masood referred in his program.
I am sure this is just a taster and alot will come from agencies in coming days to build strong case against MQM for another action.
I think it is a good to expose and provide a platform to people but must not target one group.
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@Mangotango
"I think it is a good to expose and provide a platform to people but must not target one group."
Exactly, we must not provide anyone an opportunity to scream about "ethnic cleansing". I am sure they will use all means to defame any operation!
scandinavian
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Why not special focus on MQM?
What say the MQM supporters?
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It is completely justified as Talibans are animals at the very least need containment. Remember Benazir hailed to Pakistan with the approval of her Masters, what would you say about that. Or Nawaz asked for his security from a foreign consulate, what is your opinion on that. The MQM was not barreling the support for a proxy war but for a war to keep civility in Pakistan's as a whole and in Karachi specifically as there are a large number of Afghan criminal expatriates resides. These elements have been locking their horns since MQM's inception, 80's Soharabh Goth and Qasba Colony incidents are still fresh can be squarely blamed at these people. They with JI are the reason to see the culture of narcotics blossoming with equally harmful arms race generated by these badmash of the North. Now we are experiencing handgrenade, rocket launchers and anti-craft guns, again we need to thank this community for such community-wide pollution. MQM is the last standing barrier between civility and the beast communities, if MQM does not take arms, there would be city-wide massacres at every corner, lane and community. These people require no mercy, these Afghans have been invading our communities for way too long, it is time to give them the bite of reality. MQM is the answer. And the letter, I consider is valid and holds truth. Regardless, what you guys say, your opinion does not matter because most of you had no experience of living in Karachi and majority of your have their opinion is shaped by anti-MQM media cells such as ISPR and ISI that contains elements responsible for Pakistan's involvment in Afghan-Soviet War.
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اس ویبسائیٹ پر ایکسپریس نیوز کے پروگرام "آج کل" میں برطانیہ میں پاکستانی ہائی کمشنر واجد شمس الحسن نے کڑی تنقید کی تھی اور اسے افواہیں پھیلانے کا زمہ دار قرار دیا تھا
سوچنے کی بات یہ ہے کہ تیر کسے مارا گیا ہے اور تکلیف کسے ہوئی ہے
http://express.com.pk/epaper/PoPupwindow.aspx?newsID=1101321909&Issue=NP_LHE&Date=20110830
quaidkamazaar
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since there is no police,
MQM is the police!
GA Muttahida
whoever made the website did a great job nevertheless... but if he has so much proof he should go to court and have someone hanged. Nothing has been proven!
mangotango
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since there is no police,
MQM is the police!
GA Muttahida
RQ/QKM - you are not saviours and nor we need saviours - just go to hell and kill each other
Hope Allah gives you and other brothers (mohajir, pathan whatever they call themselves) realization that killing one human is killing of the humanity. You ppl are not only killing your opponents or but killing the livelihood and destroying life of common people - I can't put it to words how many mothers, fathers, sons, daughters, common ppl are giving bad-dua to you all whichever party you support.
I am sure you argue n argue till death its ISI, agencies or Pathan started first bla bla - its in Quran something around tht Allah has put veil and you cant see straight.
Bawa Jee
Takleef to ho gee. He is the same Wajid Shams-ul-Hassan who acted swiftly removing documentary evidence that was crucial to Zardari's conviction in cases against him...
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السلام و علیکم مرزا صاحب
آپکی بات بالکل درست ہے لیکن ہم کس پر اعتبار کریں؟ ہم نے ان ڈاکومنٹس کا پاکستان واپس لا کر کیا حال کیا؟ جنرل کیانی نے چیف جسٹس کو این آر او کیس کھڈے لائن لگانے اور زرداری کو انصاف کے پھندے سے بچانے کے لیے ایک فون کال کی اور ایک سال سے اس کیس کا کہیں دور دور تک نشان نظر نہیں آتا
بنے ہیں اہلِ ہوس، مدعی بھی منصف بھی
کسیے وکیل کریں، کس سے منصفی چاہیں
Wa Elaikum Salam Bawa Jee,
Brother, that is why I say Kiyani is the backbone of Zardari. His real strength. IF Kiyani is removed things will be much different than they are now.
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@Mirza Sahab
How dare you say this about Kayani.
Kayani is true momin. He prays five times a day, also prays tahajjud every night.
He loves Pakistan and Pakistani people more than any other person alive or dead. He works 20 hours a day for the betterment of Pakistan and Pakistanis. He can't sleep because he is keeping us all safe from Khyber to Arabian Sea
I know all this because Haroon Rasheed told us, and he knows Kayani very well.
@runaway
Quite amusing brother. You made me laugh. Thanks
Coward supporters of Burger party, does not have courage to confront MQM target killers. But they want to criticize, courage and boldness of ANP and Peoples Aman committee. They don't want to give any credit to them for their courage, against MQM killers. If they give them credit, this credit will go to PPP and ANP.
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مرزا صاحب
معزرت کے ساتھ کہوں گا کہ کیانی کو ہٹانے سے کچھ بھی حاصل نہیں ہوگا. پرویز مشرف کو ہٹا کر ہم نے کیا حاصل کر لیا ہے جو اب کیانی کو ہٹا کر حاصل کریں گے؟
جنرل کیانی ایک شخص نہیں ایک ادارے اور ایک سوچ کا نام ہے جسے ہم فوجی اسٹبلشمنٹ کہتے ہیں. اس فوجی اسٹبلشمنٹ نے قیام پاکستان کے فوری بعد سے ملک اور حکومت پر ناجائز قبضہ کر رکھا ہے. کبھی یہ براہ راست حکومت کر رہی ہوتی ہے اور کبھی پس پردہ رہ کر. جب یہ پس پردہ رہ کر حکومت کر رہی ہوتی ہے تو سامنے نظر آنے والے ڈمی جمہوری حکمرانوں کو یہ اسوقت تک ہر طرح کا تحفظ فراہم کرتی ہے جب تک وہ اسکے مقاصد پورے کر رہے ہوتے ہیں. جیسے ہی کوئی ڈمی حکمران بغاوت یا حکم عدولی کی کوشش کرتا ہے تو اسے نشان عبرت بنا دیا جاتا ہے. فوجی اسٹبلشمنٹ کو عوام (بلڈی سویلین) یا عوامی مفاد کی کوئی پرواہ نہیں ہوتی. اسے صرف اپنےاثاثوں کی فکر ہوتی ہے. جب اسکے مفادات یا اثاثوں کو ذرا سا بھی خطرہ محسوس ہوتا ہے یہ فورا قانون، آئین اور اپنے حلف کو پایمال کرتے ہوئے کاروائی کرتی ھے اور اپنے مفادات کا تحفظ کرتی ہے. حد یہ ہے کہ اپنے اقتدار اور مفادات کو بچانے کے لیے حکومت عوام کے حقیقی منتخب نمایندوں کو سونپنے کی بجائے ملک دو لخت ہونا برداشت کر لیتی ہے. فوجی اسٹبلشمنٹ کے کرتوتوں کی وجہ سے آج پاکستانی فوج دنیا کے کسی ملک کی وہ واحد فوج بن چکی ہے جو فوجی وردی میں چھاونیوں سے باہر نہیں نکل سکتی اور نہ ہی یونیفارم پہن کر اپنی عوام میں آ سکتی. اور تو اور اب یہ یوم آ زادی، یوم پاکستان اور یوم دفاع کی پر شکوہ تقریبات کھلے عام منانے کی بجائے بند کمروں میں منانے پر مجبور ہو گئی ہے. ایک زمانہ تھا کہ پاک فوج کی وردی اور اس پر چمکتے بیج اور اسٹارز فخر سے فوجیوں کا سر بلند کرتے تھے اور آج فوجی نجی محفلوں میں اپنا تعارف کروانے سے بھی گھبراتے ہیں
زرداری نے فوجی اسٹبلشمنٹ کی نبض پہچان لی ہے اور جان لیا ہے کہ کرپشن اور حکومت کرنی ہے تو فوج کو خوش رکھو. آج زرداری اور اسکے حواری اپنی تمام تر کرپشن کے باوجود دندناتے پھر رہے ہیں اور ڈاکوؤں، قاتلوں اور لٹیروں کو انصاف کے کٹہرے میں لانے والے منصفوں کے سر بے بسی سے جھکے ہوئے ہیں اور اپنی نوکریاں بچانے کی خاطر انہوں نے بھی زبانیں سی لینے میں یا چھوٹے موٹے سرکاری افسروں کو دانت لینے میں ہی عافیت سمجھی ہے
اس تصویر کو غور سے دیکھیے اور بتائیے کہ نظریہ ضروت دفن ہوگیا ہے یا اپنے پوری آب و تاب سے زندہ ہے؟
اس سے زیادہ برا وقت فوجی اسٹبلشمنٹ اس قوم اور ملک کو کیا دکھائے گی؟
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Don't change your diet, whatever you ate today is working :)
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باوا جی ویری ویل سیڈ
آپ نے درست کہا کہ نہ صرف نظریہ ضرورت زندہ ہے
بلکہ اقتدار کے ماخذ بھی وہی پرانے ہیں
صرف پبلک امیج میں فرق آیا ہے
اب پہلے کی طرح سات سلام ملنے کم ہو گئے ہیں
جب بچے بھی فوجی گاڑی دیکھہ کر سیلوٹ کرتے تھے
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scandanavian
You missed out the names of JI and JUI. JI's subsidiary; the so called 'Islami Jamiat Talba' was the first organization in the history of Karachi to use fire-arms in Karachi University. Others just followed them in their evil practice of using fire weapons.
As a matter of fact, MQM found an opportunity to grow up in Karachi as a result of massive killings of citizens in the hands of the armed criminals. Those armed criminal had the support of political elements. MQM grew up in Karachi by providing protection to the citizens at that time. Gradually, it itself became a criminal organization.
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