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    Aafia Siddiqui was finally convicted on 4rd February 2010 for trying to kill American soldiers in Afghanistan. She is now expected to face a maximum of 60 years in prison.

    Below is a study that will analyze some important questions that are related to Aafia Siddiqui’s case. The questions are:

    What happened to Aafia and her children in 2003?

    Why is this case so extraordinarily popular in Pakistan?

    Why are the majority of Pakistanis so adamant about Aafia’s integrity?

    Why has Pakistani media been creating a mass hysteria from this case?

    Why is Aafia popularly known as “Sister” and “Daughter” in Pakistan?

    Why is this case being exploited by Pakistani political parties such as PTI and JI for political rivalries against their opponents?

    Why Pakistani government paid a hefty sum of $2 million to hire one of the best law firms, Dawn M. Cardi & Associate, to represent this case?

    Why have people (including Aafia herself) been dragging Israel into this case and calling the ruling of U.S. court as partisan and Zionist influenced?

    Brief background of Aafia Siddiqui:

    Aafia Siddiqui was born in Karachi, Pakistan on 2nd March 1972. She was one of three children of Mohammad Siddiqui, a British trained doctor, and Ismet. She moved to Texas in 1990 and after studying at University of Houston for a year, she transferred to MIT. After completing her undergraduate degree in biology, she then went to Brandeis University for her doctorate in cognitive neuroscience. Later she married a Pakistani anesthesiologist Amjad Khan and lived in a flat in Boston that also served as the headquarters of an Islamic charity called the Institute of Islamic Research and Teaching. She later went back to Pakistan with her husband and soon separated.

    It is reported that Aafia Siddiqui was involved in providing charity funds to two major charity organizations that were ostensibly working in the U.S. for humanitarian causes but were later banned after 9/11 for having ties to terrorists in Afghanistan. These were Al Kifah refugee center that was based in Brooklyn and Benevolence International. It was later revealed that Al Kifah had ties to Maktab al-Khidamat that was founded by Abdullah Azaam and Osama Bin Laden.

    There are numerous other stories that have been verified by FBI officials, Aafia’s husband, some prominent journalists belonging to Newsweek & Guardian and Fleet National Bank Investigators. The investigators later found Aafia’s and her husband’s involvement in transferring large sums of money to mysterious accounts of Saudi nationals and buying night goggles, body armours & military manuals.

    Aafia came back to Pakistan in 2002 and later separated from her husband on a dispute in relation to the education of her children. It is also reported that she got married to Ali Abd’al Aziz Ali (aka Amir Al Balochi), a nephew of a dreaded terrorist Khaled Shiekh Mohammad (BBC confirms this from security sources and Khalid Sheikh Mohammed’s family).

    She was on her way to Karachi airport in 2003 but then disappeared and later appeared in Ghazni, Afghanistan in 2008 and was arrested by Americans. She was then accused of attempting to murder American soldiers while in detention. Later she was extradited to the U.S and eventually faced the 2 week trail that resulted in her conviction.

    There are numerous theories on the sudden disappearance of Aafia from Karachi in 2003 and regarding her case. Some of the theories are:

    Theory 1

    The popular claim here is that she was abducted by FBI and then transferred to the U.S. Bagram facility in Afghanistan. There, she has claimed that she was tortured and raped consistently by soldiers and her two children also died during this time. It is also claimed that after this information was leaked to the public, American soldiers created a story to frame up Aafia by placing her in front of an Afghan police station with her elder son and creating a perfect scenario where she can be charged as a would be suicide bomber.

    Theory 2

    The second theory is almost similar to the first one except that it claims that it was the ISI (not FBI) who abducted Aafia from Karachi and then transferred her to the Americans.

    Theory 3

    This section has two scenarios

    Scenario 1.

    Aafia was abducted briefly in 2003 but was later released and then forced to go undercover by security officials of both America and Pakistan in order to infiltrate Al Qaeda’s sleeper cells. Later, Aafia visited her uncle Shams ul-Hassan Faruqi (The same person who called Imran Khan to report Aafia’s disappearance in 2003) and pleaded him to hand her over to the Taliban in Afghanistan as she was reluctant to work as double agent. Soon Aafia disappeared again from the guest house where she was staying during the visit to her uncle. The only source for this claim is her uncle himself, who recently gave this account to a Guardian newspaper journalist Declan Walsh and the BBC.

    Scenario 2.

    This is the official account that the US government and Aafia’s husband Amjad khan maintains. Here they claim that she was an extremist Jihadi who had links with top Al Qaeda operatives. She was also of a violent nature and went into hiding in 2003 after she found out about the FBI investigation. She then appeared in Afghanistan in 2008 and was then arrested by Afghan Police.

    So what really happened to Aafia Siddiqui in 2003? Was she really abducted by the security agencies and is her family and the Pakistani media justified in accusing the U.S for extraordinary rendition? Was she abducted by ISI and kept in Pakistani prisons and later sent to Afghanistan? Or did she go into hiding to evade the FBI investigations and worked underground for Al Qaeda?

    In any case above, there is no mention of the whereabouts of those innocent children that were with her when she was abducted or disappeared in 2003. What really happened to those children? Were they killed by American or Pakistani agents in the process of torturing Aafia Siddiqui? Or are they still out there somewhere with any Aafia Siddiqui’s aide.

    The point is that we will never know about this unless there is a proper investigation on what exactly happened to her in 2003. All available accounts of her life before 2003 shows that she is a devoted extremist; but there is no account of her whereabouts after 2003. Any investigation should account for her mysterious disappearance.

    Let’s critically analyse the questions highlighted in bold above. I have divided these questions in two sections:

    Section 1 will focus on the Zionist label on Aafia’s verdict and briefly analyze the popular opinion in Pakistan about the so called Israeli/Jewish controlled American investigations, interests and court rulings/verdicts. This theory has a new impetus after the verdict of Aafia Siddiqui’s case and conspiracy theorists are exploiting this case to justify their delusions.

    Section 2 will focus on the rest of the 6 questions in relation to Aafia’s popularity, integrity, public, Government, Political Parties and media support.

    Section 3 will critically analyze some major misconceptions related to this case that are widely common in Pakistan.

    Section 1 Analysis.

    During her trail, Aafia Siddiqui expressed serious reservations regarding the Jews.

    She demanded that Jews should be excluded from the jury at her trial in New York. She also called for jurors to undergo genetic testing in an outburst in federal court.

    “If they have a Zionist or Israeli background . . . they are all mad at me,” Ms Siddiqui, said. “I have a feeling everyone here is them – they should be subject to genetic testing. They should be excluded if you want to be fair,” she told the judge.

    In her letter released by law firm Dawn M. Cardi and addressed to all Americans, Aafia blamed the Jews for all the miseries around the world. The entire letter echoes the ideology of Zaid Hamid (A Pakistani racist holding a PHD in deception from Brasstacks University). After the verdict, Siddiqui shouted: “This is a verdict coming from Israel, not America.”

    There is a common perception that America is fully controlled by (Jews and Israel) and is fighting the wars against Muslims on their behalf in order to fully exterminate the followers of the Islamic faith. Most of these theories are heavily influenced by white supremacist organizations and the Nazis. This is a lengthy debate of who controls America and plenty of research has been done on this by scholars. The reference section below provides a detailed list of some articles and research on this issue. For brevity’s sake, in this section I will give examples of some of the court rulings and actions of the Americans that will help in refuting this baseless claim that the Jewish control American policies

    If Zionists/Jews control the U.S. as claimed by Aafia Siddiqui and other Pakistanis then what should we make of the following?

    Jonathan Pollard, a Jewish American intelligence analyst was convicted and given a life sentence for spying for Israel in 1987. Influential Israeli politicians such as Benjamin Netanyahu and human rights activist groups lobbied for his release but this pressure had no impact on American juries or policy makers. Pollard was given an Israeli citizenship in 1995 and received massive publicity by Israeli officials who campaigned for his release. Another similar case is of Ben-ami Kadish (A U.S. Army employee) who was an agent of Israel and passed classified American information. He was charged on conspiracy charges and then pleaded guilty.
    Israel is China’s (A U.S. rival) biggest arms supplier after Russia and was stopped by the U.S. for selling advanced airborne radar system to China. This is because the Americans saw this as a transfer of a US-derived technology that would compromise their strategic and defense interests. Israel faced a similar situation when due to Washington pressure, they were ordered to freeze a major contract with Venezuela to upgrade its 22 U.S.-manufactured F-16 fighter jets. This is because of the strained relations between America and Venezuela.
    Kobi Alexandar (Jew), founder of Comverse Technology (A Well – known Technology Company) was charged with multiple counts of fraud and irregularities in stock trading. Another influential Jew charged by the United States Department of Justice.
    Holocaust Denial: this is illegal in 13 countries (mostly in Europe and in Israel). Surprisingly, in U.S., holocaust denial is not a criminal offence. In fact there are numerous propaganda movements that are currently active in promoting their views against Jews. These are KKK Ku Klux Klan, American Nazis and White Aryan Resistance movements. They not only use radio, television or internet for their propaganda but they also hold public marches and demonstrations to express their views. A famous case is of National Socialist Party of America v. Village of Skokie where eventually the US Supreme Court allowed Nazis to stage demonstrations in Chicago area near the village of Skokie (Skokie is a village where holocaust survivors live). Most influential holocaust deniers are in US such as David Duke, a candidate in general election for President in 1988.
    FBI investigation recently led the arrests of Two New Jersey mayors and dozens of Jewish political and religious figures. This was a part of ten year investigation involving organize crime, corruption and money laundering. Another investigation also resulted in the arrests of 200 Israeli spies.
    Jewish Defence league was founded by Ultra Nationalist Jewish Rabbi Meir Kahane and was later declared a terrorist group by FBI after it was found out through investigations that the organization was involved in 15 terrorist attacks in U.S
    Now where is the Israeli lobby? Why it cannot force the Americans to ban many Neo Nazi movements currently operating in America? Why it is tolerating a racist organization (KKK)? Why it is not able to release its agents from American captivity? Why it is unable to force FBI into not arresting Jews?

    Why Holocaust denial is not illegal in America?

    It is absurd to believe that Jews control the U.S. after we have gone over the above facts.

    This, by no means, is intended to imply that Americans do not support Israel. Israel is an influential ally of America and is an important factor in the American foreign policy. It serves American interests in the Middle East by helping America to keep its hegemony intact and keeping an eye on the other oil producing nations. Here it’s about mutual interests. This is just like Pakistan relations with Sudan and China which Pakistan maintains for defense and strategic reasons and quietly tolerates the massacre of thousands of Muslims in Darfur and the oppression of Muslims in China’s Xinjiang province. (Note that China is Sudan’s largest trade partner and exports 40% of oil). Is Pakistan in a position to raise a concern on Darfur issue with Sudan without annoying China?

    Section 2 Analysis.

    As of 4th February 2010, social networking website Facebook has 15 fan pages and 22 groups of Aafia Siddiqui with 34,000 and 40,000 members respectively. She has been the highlight of across the electronic and online media including popular talk shows, newspapers and magazines, blogs, forums and chat rooms.

    There have also been rallies, protests and demonstrations involving 1000s of people in support for her in all big cities of Pakistan.

    Let’s assume that Aafia is completely innocent and she was tortured and kept in prison by U.S soldiers and then framed for false shooting attempt.

    Is all the above hysteria justified to get Aafia Siddiqui justice?

    Well I have no problems with this hysteria but why did we not see this in the case of two other missing Pakistani women?

    One is Zarina Mari and the other is Dr Shazia Khalid. Majority of Pakistanis do not even know their names, considering how Aafia Siddiquee is a popular enough figure in Pakistan that even the Taliban are now demanding her release from the U.S.

    Zarina Mari, similar to Aafia Siddiqui in relation to abduction, rape and torture allegations, was abducted by the Pakistani army from Baluchistan in 2005 and is believed to be kept in an army torture cell in Karachi. She is a 23 year old school teacher and according to human rights organizations (Asian Human Rights Commission, HRCP Pakistan), Baluchistan Political Parties, Baluch and other activists, she has been kept in cells and forced to work as a sex slave. Former prisoners from the torture cells also narrated her stories. Mr. Munir Mengal, the managing director of a Balochi-language television channel, claims to have witnessed this sexual slavery in a Karachi based torture cell. According to Asian Human rights commission of Pakistan, “the current whereabouts of the young woman are not known. It has been asserted that women who are fighting for the greater autonomy of Baluchistan are being arrested by the state agencies and being forced into their custody as sex slaves”.

    Dr Shazia Khalid, a medical doctor and an employee of Pakistan Petroleum Limited, was brutally beaten and raped by an army officer named Captain Hammad at Sui Hospital in 2005. Subsequently she was denied by the officials to contact her husband and other family members and instead of providing her treatment for her wounds; the officials drugged her and then transferred her to a psychiatric hospital in Karachi. Later she was put under house arrest and was denied access to lawyers, doctors and human right officials of her choice.

    She later left Pakistan with her family after repeated threats to her life. According to her BBC interview, Dr. Shazia said that she was threatened many times. “I cannot tell you how many times I was threatened. My life was made impossible. I am still terrified.” “My whole career was destroyed, as was my husband’s. That was why we left our country.” “Instead of getting justice, I was hounded out of Pakistan. I never wanted to leave Pakistan, but had no choice”. The video interview is in the reference section and I earnestly request every Pakistani to listen to that interview.

    Few questions come to my mind when I go through the stories of these women:

    Why are Zarina Mari and Shazia Khalid, like Aafia, not called the “Daughters” and “Sisters” of Pakistan by its hyperbolic media, politicians and public?

    Why have Imran khan (Former Playboy and Aka Neo Taliban) and Jamate Islami never voiced their concerns about these women with the same intensity as for Aafia Siddiqui. Remember that Imran’s party warned to go for mass demonstrations after Aafia’s conviction?

    Why was Shazia Khalid’s and Zarina Mari’s families never interviewed by Pakistani TV channels?

    Why was Shazia Khalid’s interview to the BBC never aired by the so called “free” Pakistani electronic media?

    Why have we not seen mass scale demonstrations in Pakistan for the justice for these two women?

    Why are pictures of Shazia Khalid not the highlight of every newspaper, TV channel and Pakistani activist’s blogs as pictures of Aafia are?

    Why there is not a single group or fan page of either Zarina Mari or Shazia Khalid on Face book?

    To summarize, why do people in Pakistan worry more about Aafia than these women?

    The reason is quite simple and its not that Pakistanis genuinely care about Aafia or any other women for that matter. They don’t give a damn about how many women get oppressed or suffer from torture in extra judicial detentions. Fortunately for Aafia, she was abducted by United States of America. This is the core reason why we have witnessed the massive difference of reaction in the Pakistani media, among political parties and public between the cases of Aafia and the other two women. The elements in Pakistan who choose to stay silent on Zarina Mari’s issue but not on Aafia Siddiqui’s case were not actually expressing concerns about her detention or some abuse by the U.S forces. They were simply exploiting this case to express their political hatred against the U.S.

    United States, thanks to its policies, is the most despised country in Pakistan after India. Unfortunately for Zarina Mari and Shazia Khalid, the culprit who is accused of being responsible for their problems is the Pakistan army who is trusted by Pakistani nationalists and media; the public consider the army as the infallible savior of Islam. Political parties are not in a position to use any issue directly against the army because they won’t be able to mobilize any support.

    To sum up, the reason why we have witnessed mass hysteria in Aafia Siddiqui’s case is not because the people really have sentiments for Aafia Siddiqui but it’s because they had anti U.S sentiments.

    Can any Pakistani TV channel today play the BBC interview of DR. Shazia Khalid?

    Imagine if Shazia and Zarina were victims of the U.S instead of the Pak army, the reactions of Pakistanis would have been completely different and they very likely would have gone to the streets.

    There are many Pakistani prisoners languishing mostly in Saudi Arabia and UAE prisons but there is no hype for them and all attention is always on Aafia Siddiqui as if she is the only Pakistani women to have been tortured and kept in illegal detention. Recently, the Ministry of Overseas Pakistanis claimed that approximately 6,431 Pakistanis are jailed abroad, mostly in UAE and Saudi Arabia. But again this news will not sell in Pakistan.

    Another issue that went largely unnoticed in Pakistan is the issue of child camel jockeys where small children from Pakistan and other poor Muslim countries were trafficked for use as jockeys in the rich camel racing industry in the Middle East.

    In 2004, Ansar Burney (A Pakistani Activist), said that more than 40,000 children – mostly from countries such as Pakistan, Bangladesh, India, Sri Lanka and Ethiopia – are being used in the Middle East and North Africa as camel jockeys.

    “During training races they often fall down and are badly injured… Because it is illegal to keep underage jockeys, they never receive medical treatment and often suffer prolonged pain and some of them even die,”

    Does the “Free media” of Pakistan have any balls to raise their voice against this camel industry?

    Did we have a single mass protest in Pakistan ever condemning this child abuse?

    The answer is no and this is because the camel industry is unfortunately in the Middle East which is predominantly a Muslim region.

    Had the same industry been in the US or Israel, the reactions would have been mind blowing.

    Section 3 Analysis.

    Perception 1.

    Aafia weighs less than 100 pounds hence she cannot lift an M4 rifle which proves that she has been falsely charged.

    Critical Analysis:

    An M4 rifle is a US made weapon whose loaded weight is around 3.4 kg. Is Aafia really is unable to lift a 3.4 kg gun?

    Lets look at these child soldiers in the photos below who are holding Ak 47’s (around 5 kg loaded weight) and PK Machine gun (around 9 kg).

    Note that child soldiers are currently fighting in Africa, Palestine, Sri – Lanka, Afghanistan, Burma etc.

    When these children who are under 10 years old and food deprived can use these weapons then why can’t Aafia Siddiqui?

    Although this argument was never used in Aafia’s trial by her lawyers, it became extremely popular in the Pakistani media after her lawyer Elaine Sharp said this in an interview to the press in 2008.

    Perception 2.

    There were no finger prints and other forensic evidence and therefore to convict Aafia on the basis of testimonies only was not justified. This was the argument of Aafia’s lawyer but in Pakistan the theory is that no finger prints were found and it is unprecedented that a victim is convicted on just testimonies so therefore this proves that Americans deliberately put Aafia behind bars.

    Critical Analysis:

    This is not true. Although I agree with Aafia’s lawyers that the jury relied solely on testimonies as the forensic evidence was unavailable. Due to lack of forensic evidence, the case turned in Aafia’s favour but eventually her case lost ground when she testified despite repeated warnings from her family and lawyers. At one point during her trail the prosecution questioned her about documents found in her bag which contained blue prints of some locations in the U.S. and had mention of bombing them. Aafia first claimed that they were put there by someone even though her defence had already accepted that they had her handwriting. She later claimed that she had copied everything on the documents from a magazine.

    Due to these inconsistencies in Aafia’s testimony, the jury lost confidence in Aafia’s statements. This and the testimonies of 9 witnesses from the prosecution resulted in her conviction.

    But is it really the first case where a person is convicted without forensic evidence? There are many cases in the U.S where the jury has convicted without forensic evidence and relied on testimonies or other circumstantial evidence. Please look at the reference section for some examples of those other cases.

    Perception 3.

    Jews influenced Aafia’s lawyers which led to her loss.

    Critical Analysis:

    It is absurd to believe that Aafia’s lawyers gave this case away. In fact her lawyers gave an extremely tough time to the prosecution and while following the case I was very much convinced at one stage that Aafia would be exonerated.

    The law firm Dawn M Cardi brought a forensic metallurgical consultant William Tobin, who worked at the FBI for 24 years and investigated high profile cases such as the JFK assassination and the crash of TWA flight 800. He testified for Aafia and it was his testimony where the issue of the lack of forensic evidence stirred. By giving examples from his past experience, he tried to convince the court that they should not rely on witnesses to decide Aafia Siddiqui’s fate and forensic evidence must be taken into account. He also highlighted a rather strange point that the investigators were able to recover the 9mm bullets that were fired on Aafia but were unable to recover any SS109 bullets that were fired by Aafia (as claimed by the prosecution). By conducting an experiment in the court, he demonstrated that the holes in the walls were not caused by Aafia’s gun M4.

    The defense lawyers of Aafia were also successful in producing a short video of a press conference that was held in the same room previously before Aafia’s incident. The aim of this for the lawyers was to convince the court that the two holes which the prosecution claimed were fired by Aafia were already there before Aafia’s shooting incident.

    The lawyers even tried their best to stop Aafia from testifying in the trail that eventually led to her downfall due to the inconsistencies in her statements which helped the prosecution.

    It is ridiculous to claim that Aafia’s lawyers were responsible for her loss.

    Perception 4.

    U.S. had no intention of releasing Aafia, since it could not charge its soldiers for falsely accusing Aafia as this would have tarnished the U.S. Army’s image. The trail was hence planned as a show to give a false impression of the American justice system.

    The popular perception is that the Americans are afraid to convict their soldiers for any particular crime.

    Critical Analysis:

    This is certainly not true

    Below is the recent list of incidents and scandals where American courts have convicted their soldiers. Many of them were court-martialed or given heavy sentences for rape, torture, homicide, conspiracy and mass killings. Others were dishonourably discharged, demoted in ranks and or put in solitary confinements.

    The list is as follows:

    Abu Ghraib torture and prisoner abuse (A Well – Known scandal)
    My Lai Massacre
    ISKANDRIYA incident (Iraq)
    Haditha incident (Iraq)
    Hamdaniya incident (Iraq)
    Tikrit incident (Iraq)
    Mahmudiya incident (Iraq)
    Ishaqi incident (Iraq)
    Bagram torture and prisoner abuse
    This does not mean that the Americans have accounted for all the disputed events they were involved in. There are many incidents of aerial bombings, civilian casualties (Collateral Damage) that are still to be resolved.

    Perception 5.

    Only Americans were involved in Aafia Siddiqui’s abduction from Karachi in 2003. (If it is assumed that Aafia Siddiqui was actually abducted rather than going into hiding in order to evade FBI investigations).

    Critical Analysis.

    This is not possible that the Americans can abduct any Al Qaeda suspect from Pakistan without the knowledge of ISI, Military Intelligence (MI) or Intelligence Bearu (IB).

    This claim of American involvement in Aafia’s Karachi abduction is actually promoted by Pakistan army/establishment and its media agents. The strategy here is to put the entire blame on U.S. so that the Pakistani public should always remain unaware of its countries agencies wrongdoings.

    This is reminiscent of the same strategy that this powerful military establishment uses in the issue of drone attacks where it is fully complicit along with the Americans.

    Cases such as those of Khalid Shiekh Mohammad (9/11 Conspirator) and Ramzi Yousef have shown that the operations of arresting suspects are either conducted solely by Pakistani intelligence agencies or along with the collaboration of U.S. Diplomatic Security Service (DSS).

    In concluding this short study on Aafia Siddiqui, I would like to stress upon this fact that Pakistani public must put pressure on its army and agencies to find those innocent children of Aafia and a proper investigation should be launched onto what exactly happened to her in 2003.

    The mass hysteria in this case is not justified unless the same attention is given to the cases of other missing Pakistani women.

    It seems to me that we don’t care about the Muslim sisters, thousands of whom have been brutally oppressed by the Taliban in Afghanistan, Waziristan and Swat and many of them have been jailed in Saudi Arabia after being raped by their nationals. We never publicly expressed any sympathies for them. Why???

    The answer is simple: Because U.S, Israel, India and Europe were not involved in their oppression.

    References:

    Aafia Siddiqui Protests:

    http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=200888\story_8-8-2008_pg11_2

    http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-library/dawn/the-newspaper/national/16-anger,-protest-over-conviction-of-dr-aafia-hs-05

    Aafia Siddiqui’s background including transferring funds to suspected charities, Fleet National Bank Investigations and statement of her uncle.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/24/aafia-siddiqui-al-qaida

    http://www.newsweek.com/id/59672

    http://www.newsweek.com/id/53487/page/3

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/8499322.stm

    http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_1-11-2004_pg7_47

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7544008.stm (BBC confirmation from Khalid Shiekh Mohammad’s family about Aafia)

    http://www.thenews.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=20404 (Aafia Siddiqui’s husband statement)

    Aafia and the Jews:

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article6988777.ece

    http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=117837&sectionid=3510203

    America and the Jewish Control.

    http://www.engageonline.org.uk/archives/index.php?id=17 (Recommended Articles)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Pollard

    http://www.forward.com/articles/2129/

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/1387069/US-arrests-200-young-Israelis-in-spying-investigation.html

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/830609.stm

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jul/23/new-jersey-corruption-money-laundering

    http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=US&vol=432&invol=43

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Defense_League

    http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/07/07/court-releases-letter-from-pakistani-scientist/ (Aafia’s Letter to all Americans)

    Pakistan Sudan Relations:

    http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2008-05/13/content_8162843.htm

    Zarina Mari and Baloch Missing Persons.

    http://www.dawn.com/2009/01/19/nat5.htm

    http://www.ahrchk.net/statements/mainfile.php/2009statements/1843/

    http://www.ahrchk.net/statements/mainfile.php/2009statements/1855/

    Taliban Demands Aafia.

    http://thenews.com.pk/print3.asp?id=27072

    DR. Shazia Khalid.

    http://www.sacw.net/Wmov/JACstatement08022005.html

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/urdu/miscellaneous/story/2005/09/050909_dr_shazia_video_int.shtml (Interview)

    http://www.amnesty.org/en/library/info/ASA33/002/2005

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/4633849.stm

    Taliban Khan on Aafia.

    http://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-news-newspaper-daily-english-online/Politics/10-Jan-2010/Imran-warns-of-protests-if-Aafia-convicted

    Pakistanis jailed abroad.

    http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-library/dawn/news/pakistan/03-a-total-of-6431-pakistanis-jailed-abroad-ss-01

    Child Camel Jockeys.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4063391.stm

    http://www.ansarburney.org/news/camel-jockeys.html

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/4236123.stm

    M4, AK47 and Child Soldiers.

    http://www.army.mil/factfiles/equipment/individual/m4.html

    http://www.ak-47.us/AK-47info.php

    http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://www.rawa.org/images/childsoldier.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.rawa.org/temp/runews/2007/12/19/child-soldiers-operating-on-several-fronts.phtml&usg=__r1Q_lgewXf8Fx-q596TsVUw5KOM=&h=318&w=210&sz=25&hl=en&start=6&um=1&itbs=1&tbnid=SfjAiRVOKKq1lM:&tbnh=118&tbnw=78&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dtaliban%2Bchild%2Bsoldiers%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26hs%3DM1n%26sa%3DN%26um%3D1

    Aafia’s Trail Coverage and examples of other cases.

    Examples of other cases.

    http://www.columbiamissourian.com/stories/2009/11/05/man-found-guilty-murdering-bentley/

    http://www.nytimes.com/1997/02/28/us/ex-gi-at-fort-bragg-is-convicted-in-killing-of-2-blacks.html?pagewanted=1

    http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2009/mar/05/jurors-dossett-leath-trial-see-graphic-video/

    Aafia’s Trail Details.

    http://www.cageprisoners.com/articles.php?id=31000

    http://www.cageprisoners.com/articles.php?id=31005

    http://www.cageprisoners.com/articles.php?id=30973

    American Army scandals, investigations, trails and convictions.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/5105284.stm#iskandriya

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghraib_torture_and_prisoner_abuse

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Lai_Massacre

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bagram_torture_and_prisoner_abuse

    Source : http://aacounterterror.wordpress.com/aafia-siddiqui-vs-jews-zarina-mari-shazia-khalid-and-others/

    Posted 2 years ago on 08 Feb 2010 7:45 #
  2. PAKI.SECULAR
    Blocked

    Why didn't Aafia return to Pakistan after completing her studies ?
    Shouldn't have she returned to Pakistan and worked for the betterment of Pakistanis ?
    What services she has rendered for Pakistan or even Islam ?

    Posted 2 years ago on 08 Feb 2010 7:58 #
  3. PAKI.SECULAR
    Blocked

    Dr Aafia Siddiqui’s husband breaks his silence after six years

    Wednesday, February 18, 2009

    By Aroosa Masroor

    KARACHI: After six years of silence, Dr Muhammad Amjad Khan, ex-husband of Dr Aafia Siddiqui, has finally spoken up and says that most of the press reports that relate to his former wife as well as his children are false. In an exclusive talk with The News, he said that most claims are being propagated to garner public support and sympathy for Dr Aafia but are one-sided and in most instances untrue.

    Dr Aafia Siddiqui, suspected of having links to terrorist organizations, has been charged in a criminal complaint filed in a court of New York on account of attempting to kill US personnel during interrogation and on a charge of assaulting US officers and employees in Kabul, Afghanistan, on July 17, 2008. Subsequently Dr Aafia was imprisoned in Bagram for 18 days before being taken to the US for a trial.

    Due to pressure from Aafia Siddiqui’s family, the Pakistan government has been trying to secure her release from the US claiming her to be innocent. Although the US government has guaranteed Aafia the best legal assistance and a fair trial, her family is adamant that she be sent back on grounds that the US authorities have been consistently torturing her for years.

    “Aafia’s release cannot be secured by propagating stories based on falsehood and deception,” commented Dr Amjad Khan, in an interview with The News. Dr Amjad, who was married to Dr Aafia for seven years until their divorce in October 2002, said Aafia’s family and supporters should not believe that truth will not be revealed and mere lies will help in securing Aafia’s repatriation.

    He added that he is disappointed with the government’s disregard for the law when officials handed over his eldest son, Ahmad, to his aunt Dr Fowzia Siddiqui on his return from Afghanistan last year instead of his legal guardian, his father. “The government made no effort to locate me despite the fact that I am Ahmad’s real and legal guardian. My address in Karachi has not changed for the past 30 years. Ever since I returned from the US after our divorce, I have been living with my family,” he said adding: “Both the Minister for Interior Rehman Malik and Dr Fowzia have been taking credit for obtaining Ahmad’s release even though there was not a stone I left unturned to locate my missing children and obtain their custody according to law.”

    Providing documentary proof of the legal agreement between him and Dr Aafia following their divorce, Dr Amjad said that he had been financially supporting his three children Ahmed, Marium and Suleiman until the family stopped accepting the cheques he had been mailing. “After the agreement they accepted my cheques till March 2003. After that my cheques were being returned from Aafia’s home and that got me worried. Soon after I learnt that in April 2003, Aafia and our children had been ‘picked up’ by agencies.” Meanwhile, he received disturbing reports from the family that Aafia chose to leave Karachi with her children as she feared an attack from him.

    Curious to locate the whereabouts of his children, Dr Amjad sought the help of the police and government officials to find them. “I was aware of Aafia’s violent personality and extremist views and suspected her involvement in Jihadi activities. My fear later proved to be true when during Uzair Paracha’s trial in the US in 2004, the real purpose of Aafia’s trip to the US (between December 23, 2002 and January 3, 2003) was revealed.”

    Elaborating, Dr Amjad disclosed that he later learnt from media reports that Aafia’s family claimed she made this trip to the US for job interviews in December at a time when universities were closed for winter holidays. “I also found it very odd that on the one hand Aafia insisted on leaving the US after September 11, 2001, claiming the country was unsafe for us and our children because the US government was abducting Muslim children, and on the other hand took the risk of travelling to that country again without fearing that she may be captured and may never see our children again.”

    While Dr Aafia was in the US, the authorities had been closely watching her, added Amjad. They soon issued the first global “wanted for questioning” alert for the couple in March 2003. “At that time, the agencies did not know we were divorced and I was also unaware of Aafia’s involvement with two other terror suspects, Majid Khan and Ammar Al-Baluchi. They wanted me to persuade Aafia to appear for the interview with them and clear the charges leveled against her just as I had done. That is when she went underground and it later became apparent why she chose to ‘disappear’,” disclosed Dr Amjad.

    Sharing details of his unsuccessful marriage with Dr Aafia, Dr Amjad told The News that since their marriage was arranged, he was unaware of Aafia’s violent behaviour. “She got hysterical fits when she became angry and would physically attack me, but I put up with it for the sake of our children.”

    Although Amjad and Aafia both were inclined towards religion, he found her opinion towards Jihad to be of an extreme nature that sometimes made him uncomfortable. He became particularly suspicious of his wife’s intentions when soon after the 9/11 attacks, she compelled Amjad to leave Boston (where Amjad was completing his residency) and move to Afghanistan where she claimed “he would be more useful”.

    The couple, however, chose to come to Pakistan instead for a vacation and discuss the matter with Amjad’s family. It was here that his parents noticed Aafia’s violent behaviour towards their son on several occasions, particularly when she openly asked for khula (divorce) when Amjad declined to go to Afghanistan. Therefore Amjad decided to file for a divorce as Aafia was adamant she wanted to go. “I tried my best to save our marriage, but divorce was inevitable,” he recalls.

    However, after mutual consent, the couple signed a legal agreement whereby the custody of the three minors was given to Aafia, while Amjad was required to pay for their education and maintenance. “Although the agreement says I am permitted to meet my children once a week, I was not allowed to do so,” claimed Amjad sharing a copy of the agreement during the interview.

    Based on his past experience, Amjad says he had reason to worry about his children. “I feared Aafia might pursue her political ambitions to the detriment of our children’s welfare so I couldn’t help following her case after her family claimed she had been abducted.” Amjad added that he was tempted to use other means to try and rescue his children in these past five years especially since he had evidence that were missing or kidnapped, he claimed. “But I chose to be patient and pursued the case according to the law.” He also filed a case in court against Aafia to obtain the custody of his children.

    “When the Court was unsuccessful, I requested the HRCP to include my children’s names in their missing persons petition in the Supreme Court and also appealed to the Chief Justice for Suo Moto action as this was the only case where three minors were involved.”

    However, after Ahmad was released and handed over to Dr Fowzia last year, Dr Amjad requested her to allow him to visit his son, but she refused. “At first she said Ahmed was mentally unfit to talk, and then claimed that he was not my son but an orphan adopted by Aafia and US reports that his DNA matched Aafia’s were also ‘cooked’. I refused to accept any of that as I had identified my son as soon as I saw a report on the electronic media of his arrest in Afghanistan.”

    When questioned on what basis was Aafia’s family†denying a meeting with his son, Amjad stated that the family is punishing him for divorcing Aafia. “Aafia’s mother and Dr Fowzia had warned me at the time of our divorce that they would take revenge†by not letting me meet the children,” he said adding “But now they are discouraging a meeting with Ahmad because they fear Ahmad will reveal the truth about Aafia’s activities and whereabouts of his siblings over these years.”

    He added that Dr Fowzia had similarly threatened him several years ago by taking a picture of Aafia while she was asleep after she injured her upper lip (by a milk bottle)†in an accident. Dr Fowzia warned Amjad that if he tried to divorce Aafia, she would use the picture against him alleging him to be an abusive husband. “It was made to appear in the picture that Aafia was badly injured. Today, the same picture is being circulated in the media to claim that Aafia was tortured for years in Bagram,” he revealed.†

    Furthermore, Amjad listed the several allegations leveled against him over the years to justify his not meeting his children: First they accused him of kidnapping his three children soon after his divorce with Aafia. To deny this accusation, he lodged a complaint against the family with the Sindh Police and requested officials to help him locate his children, but to no avail.

    Later, Aafia’s family accused him of being an abusive husband and father preventing the children from meeting their father. “Aafia’s mother has also accused me in the media of changing the children’s names whereas in reality they had resorted to these tactics to conceal the children.”

    He alleged that Dr Fowzia also used the Asian Human Rights Commission, an NGO based in Honk Kong, to mislead the government about his two missing children. “The AHRC received the information about my two missing children being in an orphanage in Afghanistan from Dr Fowzia, who was diverting attention away from the place where the children really are.” claimed Amjad.

    Earlier, when Aafia’s father died, the family held Amjad responsible for his death too claiming he suffered a stroke after he saw the divorce document. “That is simply not true because I mailed the document two days after Aafia’s father died and that too because I was unaware of the unfortunate incident. Their family never kept me posted on anything in the six-week period between our verbal and written divorce. I was just as shocked at his death.”

    Moreover, the family alleged that Aafia was in trouble and had been kidnapped because her former husband (Dr Amjad) handed over her personal diary to the FBI. “After this, false reports about Aafia’s arrest and Pakistani government’s involvement in handing her over to the US despite repeated denials by the Minister of Interior and other officials, started making headlines” claims the doctor, who has now re-married.

    It is the whereabouts of his two children ñ Marium now aged 10, and six-year-old Suleiman ñ that worries him now, said Amjad. Like the coordinates of Dr Aafia Siddiqui remained a mystery after she was allegedly ‘picked up’ in March 2003, Dr Amjad believes Aafia’s family may be using the same tactics in the case of his two children, who are reportedly ‘missing’.

    “I am sure they are around Karachi and in contact with their maternal family as both Aafia and the children were seen around their house here and in Islamabad on multiple occasions since their alleged disappearance in 2003. They may be living under an assumed identity just like Aafia and Ahmed had been living [as Saliha and Ali Ahsan] for five years before they got arrested,” believes the father. He said Dr Fowzia’s claim that the children are missing after being removed from the Bagram prison in Afghanistan ‘may be an attempt to attract sympathy of the government and the people and distract its attention from the real location.’

    http://www.thenews.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=20404

    Posted 2 years ago on 08 Feb 2010 8:54 #
  4. toamin
    member

    Secular,

    No need to copy paste other blog over here, a link would be sufficient.

    Tell us about this blog that you have just pasted all over here, who runs that blog and for what purpose?

    Posted 2 years ago on 08 Feb 2010 9:19 #
  5. PAKI.SECULAR
    Blocked

    Salam,

    Who are you are you moderator or owner of PkPol ?

    If you think whatever has been posted is incorrect then refute it otherwise don't bother to post your comments here !

    Now tell us what's your take on this post ?

    Posted 2 years ago on 08 Feb 2010 9:22 #
  6. toamin
    member

    What is my take on this post?

    I think that the blog that you have pasted on this forum is piece of trash and sheer waste of bytes :)

    So I was trying to suggest not to waste so much bytes by just giving the source while keeping the trash at its original place, I mean no need to replicate the rubbish :)

    Posted 2 years ago on 08 Feb 2010 9:29 #
  7. PAKI.SECULAR
    Blocked

    I damn care about the blog, what I found interesting is the detailed/informative account of so-called 'Dukhtar-e-Millat' Dr. Aafia Siddiqui and that too with references !

    You are most welcome to quote some material here in defesnse of Aafia, I would really appreciate that.

    Posted 2 years ago on 08 Feb 2010 9:37 #
  8. toamin
    member

    Right, that is what I guessed that you stumbled upon something that you don't even know or care about but rushed to spray it around on other forums :)

    Posted 2 years ago on 08 Feb 2010 9:39 #
  9. PAKI.SECULAR
    Blocked

    Salam,

    Don't try to twist my words and read again my earlier post if you are having any confusion !

    BTW if you don't have anything to counter the content posted here then I would really appreciate if you avoid indulging in any unnecessary verbal brawl !

    Posted 2 years ago on 08 Feb 2010 9:43 #
  10. toamin
    member

    Irony is that the so called seculars and liberals who are supposed to be the flag bearers of human rights and women rights, against wars and conflicts, for peace and love but now these so called secularists have become fascists!

    They are trying to cover up their crimes by brining justifications to their crimes committed on a poor mother of 3 little babies!

    And I think I know who you are -rs, you can change labels but can't change or hide the contents.

    Posted 2 years ago on 08 Feb 2010 9:47 #
  11. PAKI.SECULAR
    Blocked

    LOLzzz

    And Jamaaties have become flag bearer of human and women rights ???

    What about Zarina Mari and Dr. Shazia Khalid ?
    How many protest rallies JI and PTI organise for them ?
    None, why ?

    What Afia has done for Pakistanis? Nothing !
    Whereas, Dr. Shazia was serving her people instead of paying taxes to an 'evil empire' i.e. America !

    Posted 2 years ago on 08 Feb 2010 9:57 #
  12. toamin
    member

    Rallies for all human rights!

    But the seculars here are not supporting human rights or women rights, what has happened to these cold hearted seculars?

    RS

    Posted 2 years ago on 08 Feb 2010 10:04 #
  13. PAKI.SECULAR
    Blocked

    Why should we support a dubious 'Jihadi lady ?
    Just becoz he had a Jamaati family background qualifies her to be 'Dukhtar-e-Millat' !
    Strange very strange indeed !

    What about Zarina Mari and Dr. Shazia Khalid ?
    How many protest rallies JI and PTI organise for them ?
    None, why ?

    What Afia has done for Pakistanis? Nothing !
    Whereas, Dr. Shazia was serving her people instead of paying taxes to an 'evil empire' i.e. America !

    Posted 2 years ago on 08 Feb 2010 10:06 #
  14. toamin
    member

    Secular -RS,

    She is may be very bad woman and may be did something bad, but what was more worst were actions committed by secularists such as Mushy and Bushy against her and her little babies :)

    Posted 2 years ago on 08 Feb 2010 10:10 #
  15. PAKI.SECULAR
    Blocked

    I don't think Mushy and Bushy are secular !

    BTW what did they do to Afia and her babies, tell us in detail !

    And plzzz don't call me RS !
    Thanks !

    Posted 2 years ago on 08 Feb 2010 10:13 #
  16. Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    Shouldn't this imposter's IDs be banned for excersizing multiple IDs on this forum ? My IDs were banned, after-all.

    My IDs were banned, even though I was not using them, other than when my original ID was silenced by PKPolitics Administration.

    Posted 2 years ago on 08 Feb 2010 10:13 #
  17. PAKI.SECULAR
    Blocked

    Wow,

    Quote

    hariskhan
    member

    My IDs were banned, even though I was not using them, other than when my original ID was silenced.

    Posted 45 seconds ago on 08 Feb 2010 10:13 #

    Unquote

    hahahahaha

    LOLzzz
    Isn't it called Freudian Slip of Tongue, dude :))))

    Quote

    hariskhan
    member
    Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    Shouldn't this imposter's IDs be banned for excersizing multiple IDs on this forum ? My IDs were banned, after-all.

    Posted 2 minutes ago on 08 Feb 2010 10:13 #

    Unquote

    Posted 2 years ago on 08 Feb 2010 10:15 #
  18. change_is_close
    Member

    "I don't think Mushy and Bushy are secular !"

    NOT SECULAR??? wonder where you brought your version of secularism from.... =S care to explain your statement?

    Posted 2 years ago on 08 Feb 2010 10:16 #
  19. PAKI.SECULAR
    Blocked

    Please stick to the post !

    What about Zarina Mari and Dr. Shazia Khalid ?
    How many protest rallies JI and PTI organise for them ?
    None, why ?

    What Afia has done for Pakistanis? Nothing !
    Whereas, Dr. Shazia was serving her people instead of paying taxes to an 'evil empire' i.e. America !

    Posted 2 years ago on 08 Feb 2010 10:20 #
  20. PAKI.SECULAR
    Blocked

    hariskhan,

    What have you found 'objectionable' in my post, please elaborate it !

    Posted 2 years ago on 08 Feb 2010 10:24 #
  21. toamin
    member

    It is very much about the subject, the abuse by secularists.

    Aafia, zarina and shazia were all abused by Secularists.

    Right RS?

    Posted 2 years ago on 08 Feb 2010 10:24 #
  22. Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    This thread's existence allows for disputing an already established case of sister Afia. This is a consistent, intentional beligeration against her and her children's basic human rights. It is detestable!

    I call for this and all subsequent threads on this subject to be closed, disallowed, since sister Afia's case is an 'established' case.

    I do not want to allow disputes to be started on already 'established' cases, without significant 'new' reason/evidence/fact that is brought to light.

    This attempt at legal trickery has got to end. We cannot afford nonsense like 'legal trickery'.

    Posted 2 years ago on 08 Feb 2010 10:25 #
  23. PAKI.SECULAR
    Blocked

    No Sir, Zarina and Shazia were abused by Holy Pak Army, hence no whines from JI and PTI and their supporters !

    Whereas Afia might have been wrongly prosecuted and punished by 'evil America' that's the whole difference !

    BTW who's this RS ?

    Posted 2 years ago on 08 Feb 2010 10:27 #
  24. PAKI.SECULAR
    Blocked

    hariskhan,

    Come on dear, don't act like a cry-baby !
    Plzzz go through the original post and I'm sure you'll find it very informative !

    Posted 2 years ago on 08 Feb 2010 10:29 #
  25. toamin
    member

    Probably you don't realize the footprints of RS :)

    Zarina, Shazia and Aafia were all abused by secularists such as Pak Army General merasi commando...

    Posted 2 years ago on 08 Feb 2010 10:29 #
  26. PAKI.SECULAR
    Blocked

    I don't know who's that RS, has he stolen your Bhains :)))

    I didn't know that Afia was 'abused' by Gen Mush ?

    Posted 2 years ago on 08 Feb 2010 10:31 #
  27. PAKI.SECULAR
    Blocked

    No answer to my questions as yet !

    http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/aafia-siddiqui-vs-jews-zarina-mari-shazia-khalid-and-others#post-115136

    Posted 2 years ago on 08 Feb 2010 10:34 #
  28. Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    This is great. No moderator or admin has noticed this thread, the imposter on it, thus far.

    This is amazing.

    Looks like there is no code of conduct. There is no law that members or discussions abide by. Looks like we'll have to adopt the old fashioned way of settling disputes.

    Posted 2 years ago on 08 Feb 2010 10:34 #
  29. toamin
    member

    So you see the crimes committed by these secularists? They call for enlightened moderation but sell their daughters & sisters to foreign countries.

    Posted 2 years ago on 08 Feb 2010 10:35 #
  30. toamin
    member

    Well, Red-Scorpion's double ID yet to be noticed :)

    Posted 2 years ago on 08 Feb 2010 10:36 #
  31. BaliMA
    Member

    It is the agenda of intelligence services of Pakistan to use poor Mullahs as a tool to curb democracy. The Mullahs are used by the establishment to keep power in its hands. The mullahs wishfully think that they will get the power through the backdoor which the establishment will never let it happen. The Islamists are helpful in getting aid from America and useful as a blackmail chip. First train them and then slaughter them. This is like the role of an extra in a movie. Jihadist are an expandable item but helpful in raising money for the establishment. Ghandha haie pur dhunda haie.

    Posted 2 years ago on 08 Feb 2010 10:38 #
  32. toamin
    member

    Right, secular establishment deceives and abuses people to keep control over the country. But the problem is that they also deceive the seculars & liberals -lolzz..

    Posted 2 years ago on 08 Feb 2010 10:43 #
  33. Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    @BaliMA: Democracy cannot be established untill the people living under it, adhere to some code of conduct, some laws.

    The problem with people like you, Red-Scorpion/****.SECULAR is that you don't adhere to any code of conduct, any law.

    The only code of conduct, law, that you are ready to adhere to, is that which benefits you personally.

    MULLAHs have done nothing in bringing down democracy. MULLAHs have already said, Islam allows for democracy, as long as it remains within Islam's given framework.

    Islam doesn't restrict the way/form of government, as long as it remains within Islam's given framework.

    Posted 2 years ago on 08 Feb 2010 10:43 #
  34. BaliMA
    Member

    Hariskhan everything you say I agree with it with closed eyes. I am with you 1000% percent. We need justice.

    Right, secular establishment deceives and abuses people to keep control over the country.
    As flies to wanton boys, are we to the gods; They kill us for their sport.

    Posted 2 years ago on 08 Feb 2010 10:44 #
  35. Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    @BaliMA: I will believe your words when I see it happening. So far, I find no indication of this.

    There is no code of conduct, no law in Pakistan, except that which personally benefits the ones who rule over us, be it PPP/MQM/ANP or Pak Army/establishment.

    Posted 2 years ago on 08 Feb 2010 10:46 #
  36. PAKI.SECULAR
    Blocked

    Oh Come on Afia's brothers !
    Answer me

    Why should we support a dubious 'Jihadi lady ?

    What about Zarina Mari and Dr. Shazia Khalid ?
    How many protest rallies JI and PTI organise for them ?
    None, why ?

    What Afia has done for Pakistanis? Nothing !
    Whereas, Dr. Shazia was serving her people instead of paying taxes to an 'evil empire' i.e. America !

    Posted 2 years ago on 08 Feb 2010 10:52 #
  37. Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    This thread needs to be closed. There are two well established reasons for it;

    (1) ****.SECULAR has been established to be multiple ID for Red-Scorpion

    (2) This thread disputes an established case of sister Afia, without bringing any new fact/evidence to light

    Posted 2 years ago on 08 Feb 2010 10:54 #
  38. toamin
    member

    Dr. Shazia was abused by same secularist govt that abused Dr. Aafia.

    Posted 2 years ago on 08 Feb 2010 10:54 #
  39. BaliMA
    Member

    **** secular
    the whole Dr Shazia episode is very shameful for every Pakistani. This country has no law and rule of jungle is enforced. It is the same story with Zarina Mari. Remix of bangladesh in 2010 in the name of national security.

    Posted 2 years ago on 08 Feb 2010 10:55 #
  40. kq
    Member

    ****.Secular,

    Very good article which exposes the hypocrisy and totally negative attitude of our society and the rightwing slant of our media. Probably has to be one of the best posts i have read on pkpolitics, which is backed up by references and logic.

    Unfortunately you will find that people will beat about the bush and will try to change the topic instead of rebutting the post, as they are blinded by their extreme hatred for US. No use of answering them. These people on one hand claim that US is fighting a war against Islam, and on the other hand claim Islam is the fastest growing religion in the US. If US was really fighting a war against Islam, wouldnt it have started by killing Muslims living in the US, banning conversion to Islam, stopping construction of mosques and stopping entry of Muslim preachers to the US. Why let the enemy grow inside in your own home! These people are paranoid and delusional, and don't want to take any responsibility and like to blame others. Why only Dr Afia Siddiqui, why not hundreds and thousands of other Pakistani women, doesn't the US hate them to, doesn't it want to rape and torture other Pakistani women, doesn't it have the power to do so, in 9 years after 9/11, only one Pakistani woman, thats a very poor record for the evil superpower. May Allah guide them. Keep on doing your good work and good luck.

    Posted 2 years ago on 08 Feb 2010 10:55 #
  41. toamin
    member

    Dr. Shazia was abused by same secularist govt that abused Dr. Aafia.

    Posted 2 years ago on 08 Feb 2010 10:56 #
  42. Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    @kq: US is moving in that direction. Its just that its moving at a snail's pace.

    (1) The recent verdict by Supreme Court judge in US has started off US in that direction;

    Thread: Keith Olbermann Powerful Comment on the Supreme Court's Campaign Finance Ruling

    (2) Pakistan has NO! extradition treaty with US

    No Govt. that has come to Pakistan to date, has established extradition treaty with US or other countries with whom we do not have such treaties.

    What does that tell you ?

    (sarcasm) Liberals, secularists are more worried about human rights ? Since they never talk about it ? (/sarcasm)

    The current democratic, secular Govt. of Pakistan has had a few days to nearly 2 years in office. Have they done anything about it ? 2 year is a lot of time for this democratic Govt. to do this for its people, no ?

    Posted 2 years ago on 08 Feb 2010 10:59 #
  43. BaliMA
    Member

    The same cj who gave mushi green signal to rule Pakistan as a chief executive. The army general who would wear uniform drunk and sit drunk infront of a picture of jinnah is a secular? Zia ul haq the king of munafiqs was the islamist? banda kis kis ka rouna rouie yahan tu saab hie disco hain. Long live the Establishment. Azad adliya zindabad.
    AAj islam aur kaal enligtened moderation.
    har tareeqa saie bewaqoouf banou.

    Posted 2 years ago on 08 Feb 2010 11:00 #
  44. PAKI.SECULAR
    Blocked

    It seems brothers of Afia have no guts :))

    Oh Come on Afia's brothers !
    Answer me

    Why should we support a dubious 'Jihadi lady ?

    What about Zarina Mari and Dr. Shazia Khalid ?
    How many protest rallies JI and PTI organise for them ?
    None, why ?

    What Afia has done for Pakistanis? Nothing !
    Whereas, Dr. Shazia was serving her people instead of paying taxes to an 'evil empire' i.e. America !

    Posted 2 years ago on 08 Feb 2010 11:01 #
  45. toamin
    member

    Mushy is the product of Zia time, so you see how they are quick to change 'masks'

    Deep down they are just slaves, sell able slaves who would do anything to prolong their govt.

    Posted 2 years ago on 08 Feb 2010 11:03 #
  46. Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    @BaliMA: I have already established the fact that Zia was not an Islamist. There is no reason to dispute it again and again, without bringing new evidence/facts to light.

    The law of the land is constitution of Pakistan. Those who are in power are not excersizing it. Are they MULLAH or representatives of 'enlightened moderation' ?

    Posted 2 years ago on 08 Feb 2010 11:07 #
  47. BaliMA
    Member

    Slavery is halal! right hand possesses...
    Haris khan I am not lucky enough to read your valueable research. can you point me towards it when you have the time please.

    Posted 2 years ago on 08 Feb 2010 11:08 #
  48. Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    Slavery will also continue untill;

    (1) law of the land is not implemented
    (2) money of the state is not spent on the people
    (3) 'jageer-dari nizam' is not ended, by implementing land reforms
    (4) Education is not standardized for the people of this nation

    Who holds the responsibility for doing the above, right now ?

    Posted 2 years ago on 08 Feb 2010 11:09 #
  49. PAKI.SECULAR
    Blocked

    hariskhan,

    You are posting your comments as if you are an authority here !

    Dude, your rebuttal still awaited !

    Posted 2 years ago on 08 Feb 2010 11:10 #
  50. Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    @****.SECULAR: The following is my answer to you;

    This thread needs to be closed. There are two well established reasons for it;

    (1) ****.SECULAR has been established to be multiple ID for Red-Scorpion

    (2) This thread disputes an established case of sister Afia, without bringing any new fact/evidence to light

    Posted 2 years ago on 08 Feb 2010 11:11 #

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