fanijee
Member
Complete Urdu version:
http://www.alislam.org/urdu/pdf/Seerat-ul-Mahdi-Vol-1.pdf
@ased..readers of this thread wants to discuss it..
jaypk has asked to clarify the cause of death of your Promised Messiah which has been a burning question of this thread..
I am impressed that how Mirza was experiencing the "Gham of His Ummah" (during acute diorrehea and loose motions)
fanijee
Member
@jaypk.. sorry I also found that the site does nt belong to Ahmedis.. someone is using their name..
I was busy in some audit assignments...
jaypk
Member
@fanijee...its ok..!
thrs no question abt them being non muslims but atleast we shud be fair in our arguments...if we are spreading lies as well thn whds the diff bw them and us..?.!!
ppl like salam who were praising you as the hero by sayin spot on and gud to expose thr corruption on tht fake link shud also excuse them....its ppl like them who blindly trust these websites and spread ffilth and feel happy to read it and dnt even bother to check the authenticity.....this is the level of intellect some ppl have here...atleast you have the audacity to admit it.
..and i really appreciate tht and should call you a gentlemen..!
yahya
Member
@Jaypk:
Guys at Wakeup Project who gave The Arrivals keep discussing it on their forums;
http://wakeupproject.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=11467&start=0
The WUP guys are 'outside the box' types as you may have realised if you've seen The Arrivals and other documentaries from them.
btw they are making another Arrivals in partnership with Ary Digital;
rocketrevolt
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"tht fake link shud also excuse them....its ppl like them who blindly trust these websites and spread ffilth and feel happy to read it and dnt even bother to check the authenticity"
Okay what about these links?Care to check them? And respond with the same enthusiasm as you did before?Is that a fake guy and fake filthy website too?
http://ahmedi.org/
http://thecult.info
http://thecult.info/blog
jaypk
Member
@crocodile...bhai..i m nt thr supporter.i m just sayin tht we shud have the courage to come up with facts of we want to call them back and show even more decency then they do...but you guys are filled with so much hatred and tht even by others tht you ppl dnt bother to check anythin...brother why would any sect publish filth abt themselves on thr own websites.??...we shud invite them back but fr tht we have to give up our nasty habits of throwin rubbish at them which is self made..come up wiht genuine facts..ask genuine questions..and debate in the circle of decency...anyways...these websites are also fake as you can chek on thr official website thrs a link of affiliated websites...besides who would want to defame thr ownselves..think mate.......i think you owe another apology..nt me..and do it with enthusiasm..:)..!!
jaypk
Member
@yahya...the arrival...have you seen it? it ll b on air soon on ARY...?
yahya
Member
I've seen old version available on YouTube. This one is new scheduled from 5th Feb Fri/Sat on ARY.
rocketrevolt
Blocked
"i m just sayin tht we shud have the courage to come up with facts......but you guys are filled with so much hatred..."
So those websites are bogus? thats what I have asked in my post.Are they?..Hatred begets hatred! and that includes the curses.I dont mind it but one shouldn't complain when gets back the heat.
its not a oneway street when mirzais create anti-shia videos and portray it as coming from sunnis or create anti-sunni videos and protray them as coming from shias...that would create lot of hatred and once they found that whose is creating this mess,their hatred would double for mirzais.They are not as innocent as you are protraying...its something similar to what MQM were doin'..posting anti pashtuns videos pretending as Indian.....
"tht you ppl dnt bother to check anythin"
LMHGO...did you even bother to check those websites?Why not apply that advice to yourself first!
"these websites are also fake "
oh really? So the AKshiekh and Shahid kamal are faksters???
check out these links...
Akshiekh
http://www.youtube.com/user/akshaikhlover1
Shahid kamal
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jaypk
Member
@croc...dost.....i m nt sayin they are innocent neither i m taking thr side...Allahs wrath on whoever play with islam....but a fake argument is a fake argument.....if you dnt want to admit it ..i dnt want to push you..its your choice..but i have given you the link of thr official page..and thr affiliated websites..whr these blogs you are calling websites are nt present..so i presume tht they are also made by the same ppl...besides your claim tht i havent care to read them..i did..and they are made by ex qadyanis..and the content is same as on any other website....so how come it would be a qadyani website? you are funny man....if you google it...abt qadyanis..you see thousands of filthy websites comin up which leads to the fact tht we all hate them and we tend to do false publicity abt them....well i dnt mind tht...we hate sumone we hate sumone...cant convince anyone...i use to think like you but now i have changed my mind..and i look at things with a neutral perspective...hence i come up with the fact tht ahmadibeleifs website was a fake one and so are these..since they dnt have any presence on thr page...!!
rocketrevolt
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"but a fake argument is a fake argument"
which is?
"but i have given you the link of thr official page..and thr affiliated websites"
And that proves those links as fraud?...lols..of course its the ex-mirzais websites...I didnt ask for your official website....i know it already.
what is basically fake to you?...i call fake who pretend to be mirzais but are not.....that does not apply to former mirzais....Do you consider them fake? You haven't talked about those websites.... you've been there and saw ex-mirzais .... are they fake? thats what i am asking!
jaypk
Member
@croc ...its nt MY official website...care to have a look at yer words...by fake i meant its nt THEIR websites..ofcourse its ex mirzais....but i dnt want an argument on tht...you have the right to give yer opinion and i have mine.....! as i said..we hate sumone..so we hate sumone...!!..so let it be..!
Introduction of Jamat Ahmadiyyah
The Ahmadiyya Movement in Islam is a religious organization, international in its scope, with established branches in more than 178 countries worldwide. This is the most dynamic denomination of Islam in modern history.
The Ahmadiyya Movement was established in 1889 by Hazarat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (1835 - 1908) in a small and remote village, Qadian, in the Punjab, India. He claimed to be the expected divine reformer of the latter days, the Awaited One of the world community of religions.
The Ahmadiyya Movement in Islam was created under divine guidance with the objective to rejuvenate Islamic moral and spiritual values. It encourages interfaith dialogue, and diligently tries to correct misunderstandings about Islam in the West. It advocates peace, tolerance, love and understanding among followers of different faiths. It firmly believes in and acts upon the Qur'anic teaching:
"There is no compulsion in religion".
It strongly rejects violence and terrorism in any form and for any reason.
73 Divisions in Islam and One True Jama'at
1.
Jarudiyah
Followers of Abu'l-Jarud, They believe Prophet (pbuh) designated Ali (ra) as the Imam by his characteristics but not by name.
2.
Sulaimaniah / Jaririyah
Followers of Sulaiman ibn-Jarir al-Zaidi, They believed Imamat was a matter of conference and could be confirmed by two best Muslims.
3.
Butriyah / Hurariyah
They did not dispute the Khilafat of Uthman, neither they attack him nor praise him.
4.
Yaqubiyya
They accepted the Khilafat of Abu Bakr and Umar, but did not reject those who rejected these Khulafaa. They also believed that Muslim committers of Major sins will be in hell fire forever.
5.
Hanafiyah
Followers of the Imammate of Muhammad ibn-al-Hanifah. They believe that Allah might have had a beginning.
6.
Karibiyah
They believed that Imam Muhammad ibn-al-Hanifah is not dead and is the Imam Ghaib (in disappearance) and the expected Mahdi.
7.
Kamiliyah
Followers of abu-Kamil. They believed companions to be heretic because they forsook their allegiance to Ali and condemn Ali for ceasing to fight them. They believed in the returning of the dead before the Day of Resurrection and that Satan is right in preferring fire to clay.
8.
Muhammadiyyah / Mughairiyah
Followers of Muhammad ibn-'Abdullah ibn-al-Hassan. They do not believe that Imam Muhammad ibn-'Abdullah died and that he is Imam Ghaib and awaited Mahdi.
9.
Baqiriyah
Followers of Muhammad ibn-'Ali al-Baqir. They believe him to be the Imam Ghaib and expected Mahdi.
10.
Nadisiyah
They believe that those who consider themselves better than anyone else are Kafirs (disbelievers).
11.
Sha'iyah
They believe that the one who has recited La Ilaha Il-Allah (There is none worthy of worship except Allah), whatever she or he does, will never be punished.
12.
Ammaliyah
They believe that faith for one is what he/she sincerely practices.
13.
Ismailiyah
They believe in the continuity of Imammate among the descendants of Ismail ibn-Ja'far.
14.
Musawiyah / Mamturah
They believe Musa ibn-Ja'far to be the Imam Ghaib and expected Mahdi.
15.
Mubarikiyah
They believe in the continuity of Imammate among the descendants of Muhammad ibn-Ismail ibn-Ja'far.
16.
Kathiyah / Ithn 'Ashariya (the Twelvers)
They believe that expected Mahdi will be the twelveth Imam among the descendants of 'Ali ibn-abi-Talib.
17.
Hashamiya / Taraqibiyah
They Predicate a body to Allah and also allege Prophet (pbuh) of disobedience to Allah.
18.
Zarariyah
They believed that Allah did not live nor had any attributes till He created for Himself life and His attributes.
19.
Younasiyah
Followers of Younas ibn-'Abd-al-Rahman al-Kummi. They believe that Allah is borne by bearers of His Throne, though He is stronger than they.
20.
Shaitaniyah / Shireekiyah
They believed in the view that deeds of servants of Allah are substances; and a servant of Allah can really produce a substance.
21.
Azraqiah
Followers of Nafi ibn-al-Azraq. They do not believe in the good dreams and vision and claim that all forms of revelation has ended.
22.
Najadat
Followers of Najdah ibn-'Amir al-Hanafi. They abolished the punishment for drinking wine also they believed that sinners of this sect would not be treated in hellfire but some other place before allowed in paradise.
23.
Sufriyah
Followers of Ziyad ibn-al-Asfar. They believed that sinners are in fact polytheists.
24.
Ajaridah
Followers of Abd-al-Karim ibn-Ajrad. They believed that a child should be called to Islam after it has attained maturity. Also they believed booty of war to be unlawful till the owner is killed.
25.
Khazimiyah
They believe Allah loves men of all faiths even if one has been disbeliever most of his life.
26.
Shuaibiyah / Hujjatiyah
They believe that what Allah desires does happen no matter what and what does not happen it means Allah desires it not.
27.
Khalafiyah
Followers of Khalaf. They do not believe in fighting except under the leadership of an Imam.
28.
Ma'lumiyah / Majhuliyah
They believed that whoever did not recognize Allah by all His names was ignorant of Him and anyone ignorant of Him was a disbeliever.
29.
Saltiyah
Followers of Salt ibn-Uthman. They believed in the conversion of adults only and if father has converted to Islam children were considered disbeliever till they reach maturity.
30.
Hamziyah
Followers of Hamza ibn-Akrak. They believe that children of polythiests are condemned to hell.
31.
Tha'libiyah
Followers of Tha'labah ibn-Mashkan. They believe that parents remain guardian over their children of any age until children make it clear to parents that they are turning away from truth.
32.
Ma'badiyah
They did not believe in taking or giving alms from or to slaves.
33.
Akhnasiyah
They do not believe in waging a war except in defense or when the opponent is known personally.
34.
Shaibaniyah / Mashbiyah
Followers of Shaiban ibn-Salamah al-Khariji. They believe Allah resembles His creatures.
35.
Rashidiyah
They believe that land watered by springs, canals or flowing rivers should pay half the Zakat (Tithe), while land watered by rain only should pay the full Zakat.
36.
Mukarramiyah / Tehmiyah
Followers of abu-Mukarram. They believe that ignorance constitutes as disbelief. Also that Allah enmity or friendship depends upon the state of a persons belief at his death.
37.
Ibadiyah / Af'aliyah
Consider Abdullah ibn-Ibad as their Imam. They believe in doing good deeds without the intention of pleasing Allah.
38.
Hafsiyah
Consider Hafs ibn-abi-l-Mikdam as their Imam. They believe that only knowing Allah frees one from polytheism
39.
Harithiya
Followers of Harith ibn-Mazid al-Ibadi. They believe that the ability precedes the deeds.
40.
Ashab Ta'ah
They believe that Allah can send a prophet without giving him any sign to prove his prophecy.
41.
Shabibiyah / Salihiyah
Followers of Shabib ibn-Yazid al-Shaibani. They believe in the Imamate of a woman named Ghazalah.
42.
Wasiliyah
Followers of Wasil ibn-'Ata al-Ghazza. They believe that those who commit major sins will be punished in hell but still remain believers.
43.
'Amriyah
Followers of 'Amr ibn-Ubaid ibn-Bab. They reject the legal testimony of people from supporters of either side of the battle of Camel.
44.
Hudhailiyah / Faniya
Followers of abu-al-Hudhail Muhammad ibn-al-Hudhail. They believe that both Hell and Paradise will perish and that preordination of Allah can cease, at which time Allah will no longer be omnipotent.
45.
Nazzamiyah
Followers of abu-Ishaq Ibrahim ibn-Saiyar. They do not believe in the miraculous nature of the Holy Quran nor do they believe the miracles of Holy Prophet (pbuh) like splitting the moon.
46.
Mu'ammariyah
They Believe that Allah neither creates life nor death but it is an act of the nature of living body.
47.
Bashriyah
Followers of Bashr ibn-al-Mu'tamir. They believe that Allah may forgive a man his sins and may change His mind about this forgiveness and punish him if he is disobedient again.
48.
Hishamiyah
Followers of Hisham ibn-'Amr al-Futi. They believe that if a Muslim community come to consensus it need an Imam and if it rebels and kills its Imam, no one should be chosen an Imam during a rebellion.
49.
Murdariyah
Followers of Isa ibn-Sabih. They believe that staying in close communication with the Sultan (ruler) makes one unbeliever.
50.
Ja'friyah
Followers of Ja'far ibn-Harb and Ja'far ibn-Mubashshir. They believe that drinking raw wine is not punishable and that punishment of hell could be inferred by a mental process.
51.
Iskafiyah
Followers of Muhammad ibn-Abdallah al-Iskafi. They believe that Allah has power to oppress children and madmen but not those who have their full senses.
52.
Thamamiyah
Followers of Thamamah ibn-Ashras al-Numairi. They believe that he whom Allah does not compel to know Him, is not compelled to know and is classed with animals who are not responsible.
53.
Jahiziayh
Followers of 'Amr ibn-Bahr al-Jahiz. They believe that Allah is able to create a thing but unable to annihilate it.
54.
Shahhamiyah / Sifatiyah
Followers of abu-Yaqub al-Shahham. They everything determined is determined by two determiners, one the Creator and the other acquirer.
55.
Khaiyatiyah / Makhluqiyah
Followers of abu-al-Husain al-Khaiyat. They believe that everything non-existant is a body before it appears, like man before it is born is a body in non-existance. Also that every attribute becomes existant when it makes its appearance.
56.
Ka'biyah
Followers of abu-Qasim Abdullah ibn-Ahmad ibn-Mahmud al-Banahi known as al-Ka'bi. They believe that Allah does not see Himself nor anyone else except in the sense that He knows Himself and others.
57.
Jubbaiyah
Followers of abu-'Ali al-Jubbai. They believe that Allah obeys His servants when He fulfill their wish
58.
Bahshamiyah
Followers of abu-Hashim. They believe that one who desires to do a bad deed, though may not do it, commits infidelity and deserves punishment.
59.
Ibriyah.
They believe that Holy Prophet (pbuh) was a wise man but not a prophet.
60.
Muhkamiyah
They believe that God has no control over His creations.
61.
Qabariyya
They do not believe in the punishment of grave.
62.
Hujjatiya
They do not believe in the punishment for deeds on the grounds that because everything is determined so whatever one does s/he is not responsible for it.
63.
Fikriyya
They believe that doing Dhikr and Fikr (Remembering and thinking about Allah) is better than worship.
64.
'Aliviyah / Ajariyah
They believe that Hadhrat Ali share prophethood with Muhammad (pbuh).
65.
Tanasikhiya
They believe in the re-incarnation of soul.
66.
Raji'yah
They believe that Hadhrat Ali ibn-abi-Talib will return to this world.
67.
Ahadiyah
They believe in the Fardh (obligations) in faith but deny the sunnah.
68.
Radeediyah
They believe that this world will live forever.
69.
Satbiriyah
They do not believe in the acceptance of repentance.
70.
Lafziyah
They believe that Quran is not the word of God but only its meaning and essence is the word of God. Words of Quran are just the words of narrator.
71.
Ashariyah
The believe that Qiyas (taking a guess) is wrong and amounts to disbelief.
72.
Bada'iyah
They believe that obedience to Ameer is obligatory no matter what he commands.
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