hkbajwa
Member
Is there intelligent and sentient life in this universe beyond our planet??
I wonder about this a lot because i have no evidence that there IS.. but i really don't see how it's possible that there ISN'T.
And if there is, how are we to treat them?? Are they equals on account of their sentience?? Are they subject to the various beliefs that we hold??
I need help with this paradox people
hamarapakistan
Member
This universe is sooooooo big that we even can't imagine it. It's beyond the imagination of mankind at least till now. God has given the knowledge to human being but He says that it's limited. I don't remember the Ayat Kareema but I remember that Allah says that we know whatever HE has allowed us to know. We can't know beyond that limit.
I do believe that intelligent life exists in our universe other than on the earth but it may not be more intelligent than human beings on earth as Allah sent HIS most beloved prophet Muhammad (SAWW) on this earth.
So I beleive that life can't be more intelligent than in the earth but it should exist somewhere in the universe.
I hope you know about quantum theory which is a study of particles. It says that these particles can move around us without the limitations of space and time.
We are bound to obey the laws of space and time. Till now mankind's knowledge is very limited and to search any intelligent life in other planets we still don't have the equipments. Also the huge distance between the stars is a matter of concern.
May be within the next 20 years we are able to find the life whether intelligent or not on some other planet.
shriq
Member
Quran has many references to heavens and earth like this:
FI SSMAWAT I WAL ARZ
When He mentions sky, He uses plural and when He mentions land he uses singular!
I heard someone say that skies may be more but land where people can live is one only!!!!
Wallahu Aalamu
After evaluating, how big is the Universe, I guess there should be intelligent life somewhere.
nagatorpun
Member
zia m
Member
The size of our galaxy, the milkyway alone is 100,000 light years.The speed of light(186,000 miles/sec) is the highest speed known to us as of yet.
They have been looking for ET using radio signals.I believe they have to devise some other model if we are ever to find intelligent life on other planets.
An interesting article related to the topic in science daily.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/03/100301122342.htm
zia m
Member
Here is the full article..
toamin
member
how about jinn?
zia m
Member
The idea of Jinns did cross my mind, but i have never encountered any.We need input from somebody with experience.
yes these form exist in my mind, I am always fighting with aliens in my mind, Yesterday i progress to next level by killing the Alien boss. My level is 17 and i hope soon i will end this game
sasherwani
Members
Jins, Bhoots, Churails.. all are hallucinations or mental illnesses. There's no such thing.
@Sherwani
A villager like u who is new in the town of Aliens don't know something about Aliens
toamin
member
Well Jinn & Angels are part of basic Muslim belief-
sasherwani
Members
Aliens actually have a town! Wow I would love to visit it someday :)
By the way, I never said 'Aliens' dont exist. Whether they exist or not, we actually might find out one day.
LalBichoo
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sasherwani,
"""Jins, Bhoots, Churails.. all are hallucinations or mental illnesses. There's no such thing. """
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I totally agree with you, however what about Surrah-e-Jin in Quran ???
@Salam
I think u don't understand what is topic
"Alien Life forms"
There is difference b/w angels, jinn and aliens
before posting read the topic clearly
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@Sherwani
New village aren't welcomed in Alien's Town, Try some human Town
toamin
member
thanks for your clarification so what is meant by "alien life forms"?
@Salam
U are thanking a psycho, and U r not welcome,
Alien r true super psychos
sasherwani
Members
@ Lal Bichoo,
As for Bhoots and churails; they are as fictious as vampires. Jins as per my opinion do exist but NOT in the format or appearance as we Pakistanis (or people of the subcontinent) believe. There's a very famous person called Saabri in Oman who specializes in exorcisms. Ive met him personally. According to him Jins are like a supernatural disease which cause weird hallucinations and symptoms in the sick. I sort of agree with him because I have seen people do stuff when they are possessed which would be termed highly unnatural and unhumanly.
To make a long story short, Jins in my view are a Supernatural Viral Disease.
toamin
member
Muslims believe in Jin and also believe that there are good jinn and there are evil jinn
iblees is evil jinn
LalBichoo
Blocked
I'm also a Jin and a very bad one :)))
sasherwani
Members
@ Salam,
I would like to know if the Quran actually provides a description of Jins anywhere?
pappu
Member
Belief in angels is a Zoroastrian belief. The pagan Arabs before Islam believed in jinn’s and afriyat. All these previous beliefs influenced Islamic beliefs.
toamin
member
sherwani,
jins were created from fire while humans from clay
like human they are also believer and non-believer
LalBichoo
Blocked
hoooohahaha
hoooohahaaa
Mujhay Kaam Batoa May Kiya Karoon May kiss Ko khaaoon ??
LalBichoo
Blocked
Salam,
Apart from Quran and other religious sources, can you please prove existence of Jinns ???
toamin
member
hoooohahahah
aik kaam karo... iltaf hussain ko urra key lao aur aik bichoo ko uss per phaink do :)
pappu
Member
jins were created from fire while humans from clay
like human they are also believer and non-believer
These are Zoroastrian beliefs mixed with pagan ideas.
Here is one more Zoroastrian story that influenced the tale of another religion
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Arda_Viraf
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pegasus
sounds fimiliar?
LalBichoo
Blocked
hooooohaaahaaa
Aqaaa yeh mumkin nahi kiyoon kay may 'iltaf' bhai kee jamaat kee karkardagee say bohat khoosh hoon :(
However, I'm planning to eat Taliban Khan soon :))
toamin
member
abb to jinn bhi iltaf hussain kee puja kernay lagay hain :)
LalBichoo
Blocked
abb to jinn bhi Taliban Khan ko khanaay kay moqa dhoond rahay hain :))
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
Jews/Zionists and their agents, are trying their best to convince people of this world that;
(1) aliens exist
(2) aliens are hostile
(3) we need to build military outposts in space because of it
The real agenda, they have is, they want to control what happens on earth by having military bases outside Earth, through which they can threaten anyone, through which they can yet again impose their hegemony over others, around the globe.
After the nuclear threat from the west was neutralized when Pakistan acquired nuclear weapons, now the west is moving the competition to the next level i.e., outer space.
Having military, as well as military base in Space is the same ultimate achievement, as the west had when it first built nuclear weapons. No one could stand in-front of its hegemony after that.
It is a grave threat to Muslims, as well as ALL the people of this world.
LalBichoo
Blocked
@Salam
Apart from Quran and other religious sources, can you please prove existence of Jinns ?
Chawlain na maro, seedi baat karo
toamin
member
lalbichu & pappu
bhaio malum hay kay aap nahi mantay ho aur inkari ho... abb zarori to nahi kay cheekh cheekh key elaan kia jay?
pappu
Member
salam bahie discuss kar raha tha aab aap nay hath kharay kar diye hain tu main kiya karoun.
toamin
member
abhi "alien life forms" pey rekhtay hain.. phir kahee moqa mila to zoro uncle pey bhi bazi laga lengay :)
pappu
Member
yeh is topic kou islamic app naie kiya aur abb aap hi keh rehay hain ka is ko ontopic ruktay hain. Ammo katam ho giya haie kiya aap kaie pass. Aap ko help kaie liye may aik week moulvie bannay kaie liye tiyar houn hosla rukhain. Pappu is here so nothing to fear. Agay jaisay aap ki murziee.
toamin
member
pappu yaar tang naa kar aur kaam say kaam rakh :)
LalBichoo
Blocked
pappu bhai, pro-Taliban camp Discuss forum may bohat weak ho gaya hay :))
Girtee howee Diwaaroon ko
Aik Dhakaa aur dou :)
pappu
Member
lalbichoo bahie mulvie kaie pass sabar bohat hota haie, beware.
LalBichoo
Blocked
yeah, you are right but here Sabr ka phaal bohat sour hay :))
toamin
member
molvie key paas sabr hota hay per dehria kay paas kia hota yeh to app dono ziada behtar bata saktay hain :)
pappu
Member
damag! jo rutta laganay kaie bajaie sochnay kaie liye use hota haie.
hkbajwa
Member
@ Haris
Leaving aside the conspiracy, do you belive aliens exist?
@ everybody
I have a theory about jinns. It's odd, but it made the Quran all the more relevant to me.
I believe that the references to Jinns is actually a reference to germs and bacteria. Here's why
Jinns are described as being invisible to the human eye. That's true for bacteria and viruses too of course
Jinns are described as both "good" and "bad". Some bacteria are beneficial to the human organism and some are detrimental. Penecillian is bacteria, our digestive systems contain bacteria for the digestive process and some bacteria actively combat other things harmful to the human body. Likewise in the case of vira, the cowpox wirus is what protects humans from smallpox.
There are of course also the "bad" jinns like cholera, typhoid, influenze and anything else that makes people sick.
Jinns are described as being "made of fire". When a person gets sick from infection they get fevers. So it wouldn't be incorrect to say they are made of fire.
And i also think of the ayah that muslims are supposed to read when they enter the washroom to the effect "allah, protect me from the Jinns within". Seems perfectly reasonable to ask to protection against germs and bacteria in a place that is packed full of them no?
To people 1400 years ago it would be difficult to explain what germs and bacteria were without resorting to parables and metaphors. As mankind's knowledge increases they have to decipher and understand these metaphors to realize their true meaning.
I think the Jinn are a perfect example of how an updated understanding of Quranic verses make it a contemporary and current text, without invalidating or contradicting it. I mean this is the best way for us to get the full benefit of the wisdom held within it.
toamin
member
yani app dehria yani atheist ho? per kion?
LalBichoo
Blocked
"""yani app dehria yani atheist ho? per kion? """
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Salam, why don't you initiate a thread to prove Atheism wrong :)))
toamin
member
why don't you initiate a thread to prove atheism right :))
LalBichoo
Blocked
hkbajwa,
Excellent post !
I'm sure Salam will pass on this information to Dr. Zakir Naik :)))
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