Not Possible says: All the Sahaba RAA accepted BIDDAT of TALAAQ of Umer RA....

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Not Possible says: All the Sahaba RAA accepted BIDDAT of TALAAQ of Umer RA....

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SufiSoul
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MAAZALLAH ASTAGHFIRULLAH NAUZUBILLAH MIN ZALIK...

According to NotPossible hazrat Umer RA maazallah commited BIDDAT in case of TALAAQ,as a result when no Sahabi RA including hazrat Ali resisted and accepted his KHILAFA than autumatically all these follower Sahaba RA were BIDDATI MAAZALLAH......and according to NotPossible BIDDATI is MUNAFIQ.....maazallah,astaghfirullah.

This is what NotPossible has said.pls read below carefully,

NotPossible wrote,
Hazrat Umers decree on Talaq for isntance is against Allahs ahkams in Quran and as the rules of Talaq from the ime of Rasool Allah (SAW) werent altered by Hazrat Abu Bakar either but Hazrat Umer made the Biddah i.e. Innovation ...

SUfiSoul wrote inanswer,
hazrat umer changed quran wordings but thousands of sahaba RAA were accepting...
Only you are on the right path and refusing him.......
hazrat umer ra implemented a decision over thousands of sahaba RA and no one came against him.......means all the thousands of sahaba RA were going against Quran......
only you came forward and not accepting that decision.....
sirf aap musalman reh gaye.........
As per your logic thousands of Sahaba RA were no more muslims by accepting this BIDDAT.......maazallah...
According to your LOGIC against hazrat Umer RA...All the Sahabas RAA were not remain muslims,by admitting hazrat Umer RA......
And Hazrat Ali RA was also among them......
So all the Sahaba RA including hazrat Ali RA were not following Islam........this is your result of your 20 years knowledge and discussions.....

Jeety raho aap Shiaism ko nayee bulandiyun pe ly jawo gy jald hi........

NotPossible wrote,
One, Ten, Hundred, Thousand, Million, Billion even trillion Sahaba (the numbers dont matter) if they were even a gazillion Sahaba their acts do not overule the One Allah, the Ahkam of One Allah are above all and compulsary for all to follow

Anyone who altered them did a Biddah and knowingly doing so makes them a munafiq

This is true colours here of followers of Shiaism.....

Posted 1 year ago on 19 May 2011 12:08 #
SufiSoul
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Hazrat ALi RA was among the followers of khalifa hazrat Umer RA.......He never raised against hazrat Umer RA so accepted each and everything of hazrat Umer RA.....
Where shia stands here abt hazrat Ali RA accepting BIDDAT of TALAAQ of Hazrat Umer RA maazallah.....?????

Posted 1 year ago on 19 May 2011 12:18 #
alirazaster
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who said we accepted the amendments hazrat umar made in talaaq???
talaaq procedures differ between sects!

and this is a very cheap tactic to create hostility between people of different sects!.... u think keeping such topics will earn you some support or some joy of victory?

Posted 1 year ago on 19 May 2011 12:30 #
alirazaster
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aap ka apna zakir naik hazrat umer k us iqdaam ko ghalat qarar de gaya..... or bajaye aap apas mein apnay maamlaat tay kerein, aap jazbaati ho k, or apna saa muun lenay k bawajood ulta humein he suna rahay hain!
wah wah
aap ki aqal ki daadrasi kerni chahiye!!!

Posted 1 year ago on 19 May 2011 12:32 #
SufiSoul
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who said we accepted the amendments hazrat umar made in talaaq???
talaaq procedures differ between sects!
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pls read again above, thousands of Sahaba RAA accepted hazrat umer's decision including hazrat Ali RA and raise no voice against this.....

All is from you under notpossible ID........

Posted 1 year ago on 19 May 2011 12:33 #
Not Possible
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I get it your using computer from the special disability ward because you are one work of art mate

First I never said thousands of Sahaba accepted the Biddah of Hazrat Umer, you said that

In fact I have very clearly stated that Hazrat Ali and Sahaba loyal to Hazrat Ali did not accept this Biddah of Hazrat Umer as did many others

and you are right everyone can see what I wrote and what you wrote in the other thread

http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/enough-rid-yourselves-now-of-the-traitor-rulers/page/4

It was you who said many Sahaba followed the Biddah of Hazrat Umer and you who said Hazart Umer made a Biddah and disobeyed the ahkams of Allah.

Posted 1 year ago on 19 May 2011 13:39 #
SufiSoul
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First I never said thousands of Sahaba accepted the Biddah of Hazrat Umer, you said thatm In fact I have very clearly stated that Hazrat Ali and Sahaba loyal to Hazrat Ali did not accept this Biddah of Hazrat Umer as did many others...
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where is the proof that hazrat Ali RA andmany other Sahaba RA never accepted this BIDDAH of TALAAQ(according to you).......

Posted 1 year ago on 19 May 2011 13:57 #
SufiSoul
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when no one Sahaba RA raised against this decision of hazrat Umer RA(biddat according to you)it means and a common sense that every one accepted this decision(biddat according to you)......

Posted 1 year ago on 19 May 2011 13:58 #
Not Possible
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where is the proof that he did accept? ;)

Posted 1 year ago on 19 May 2011 14:03 #
SufiSoul
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here is the obvious proof,

when they did not rise it means they accepted...But you clever afterwards not accepting....
To which Ali you are stick with..Surely that is not hazrat Ali RA ahle bait......cuz u r going against hazrat Ali in this matter.......
Itni bachgana sawal ki umeed nahi thi..laikin ab phas gaye ho zahir hy kia ker sakthy ho...bachgana pan per utheraye ho.....

Posted 1 year ago on 19 May 2011 14:07 #
Not Possible
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when they did not rise???? They dont need to rise all they need to do is not do what Hazrat Umer did or asked to do

and they didnt

Posted 1 year ago on 19 May 2011 14:09 #
SufiSoul
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bus ho gayee hy na yahan.....
Ab bayan bazi py uthar aye ho...
Can any one expect that Sahaba RA kept silent over a BIDDAT(accordng to you)from hazrat Umer RA...
tujh se Sahaba k bary me yahi umeed thi...
Ali RA ko bhi nahi bakhashty jis k naam pe ye dhama chokri macha rakhi hy.......
Zalimo Ali RA ko tho follow karo....

Posted 1 year ago on 19 May 2011 14:13 #
Not Possible
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dont need to get emotional anyone can see from your last (and before) post above that you are the one doing bayan bazi.

What I said is very simple Hazrat Ali and Sahaba loyal to him did not follow this Biddat of Hazrat Umer after all it is a Biddat which is a sin and is against the Ahkam of Allah

or are you accusing that all Sahaba did sin?

you are the one who should have proof saying that all Sahaba knowingly violated ahkam of Allah, did Biddah, did sin.

Posted 1 year ago on 19 May 2011 14:26 #
Not Possible
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We do follow Hazrat Ali hence in our sect the way of talaq is exactly as per the ahkams of Allah in Quran and thats exactly why we do not follow the wrongs and Biddat of Hazrat Umer,

because we follow Hazart Ali and because we follow Allahs Ahkams in Quran

Posted 1 year ago on 19 May 2011 14:28 #
SufiSoul
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laikin hazrat Ali RA did follow hazrat Umer RA..
Aap log apni merzi se jisy chahain apny faith me illogically ly aaty hain....

idhar udhar ki illogical arguments se behtar hy accept ker lo k ghalati ho gayee hy.......

Posted 1 year ago on 19 May 2011 17:00 #
Not Possible
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laikin hazrat Ali RA did follow hazrat Umer RA..
Aap log apni merzi se jisy chahain apny faith me illogically ly aaty hain....

idhar udhar ki illogical arguments se behtar hy accept ker lo k ghalati ho gayee hy.......

????? did that mean anything??...I mean what are you trying to say

if your saying that Hazrat Ali did not follow the Biddat amal of Hazrat Umer ...you are right...he did not.and so we dont

where as you lot are following the Biddat amal of Hazrat Umer which is in violation of Allahs ahkam in Quran

Posted 1 year ago on 19 May 2011 17:27 #
SufiSoul
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...he did not.and so we dont.......
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aireal firing.....

Posted 1 year ago on 19 May 2011 18:10 #
Not Possible
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are u drunk?

Posted 1 year ago on 19 May 2011 18:45 #
SufiSoul
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are u drunk?
............................

tumhary pas yahee kuch reh gaya hy ab......
Look again at this thread and mind your words in discussion...
i never think abt any one under religious discussion that he may be drunk but you can think and are parallel thinking of drunking as well as religious opinion..
Does any relationship exists between religious thread and drinking.....???
It is your character having religious discussions and drinking thoughts side by side..
Shia community majority doesnot have the atqts required to be a religious person....
Ap ki uchal koodh band ho gayee hy aur ab cheap tactics pe utar aye ho.......
At any cost you want deviate out of this discussion which according to you nauzubillah wipeout every single Sahabi RA including hazrat Ali RA,of Islam and towards MUNAFIQAT..maazallah,astaghfirullah..
Sahaba ky gustakh per ALLAH ki lanaat bilky lakh lanaat.......

Posted 1 year ago on 20 May 2011 3:02 #
Not Possible
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sufisoul next to every post you have either abused me or shias and in very bazari zaban

what does you bazari zaban and taunts have to do with religion?

do you think your having a verbal conversation? evry thing you say or have said has is on record, and everyone can see the kind of bazari language you use, everyone can see because its right here

and wheras the ususal things you write are below par and make very little sense and I ket them pass because I understand that you have a sada zehan but at night you really turn it off i.e. you dont write anything legible

again you absolute lack of legibility at night will also be evident to everyone

so you look at this thread, and let everyone see...this and other threads what kind of inane bable and illogical and below par stuff you say that will be hard to digest for even a toddler...you see and let everyone see...its all here

look at the bazari zaban you reflect of your commenity and the utter childish bewaquof nonsense you speak...you and you community does not have anything worthwhile to say and are doing the uchal qoud

Posted 1 year ago on 20 May 2011 5:01 #
Not Possible
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first you got caught out and now you stand exposed as a liar

as firstly you bazari zaban is on display on this thread, as well as your inane bable thats on every other thread,

then your also exposed as a liar from this thread
http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/enough-rid-yourselves-now-of-the-traitor-rulers/page/4

where everyone can see that YOU said that all Sahaba followed the Bidat of Hazrat Umer. I did not say that

Infact as everyone can see that atleast 4-5 times I have said that Hazrat Ali, and Ashab loyal to Hazrat Ali the likes of Hazrat Sulaiman Farsi and Hazrat Abu Zar Ghafari did not follow Hazrat Umer as didnt many others. Thats what I said

wheras you said that Hazrat Umer did Bidat, he altered the Ahkam of Allah Subhan o Talah, He went against the laws of Quran, and thousands of Sahaba followed him in that Bidat, you said that I didnt, and evryone can see that from the link above

so the only person your lieing to is yourself because everyone else can see that what you wrote

your so simple that you cannot be clever even if you wanted to be, apart from amongst five year olds and toddlers

Posted 1 year ago on 20 May 2011 5:10 #
SufiSoul
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NP,
Abhi aap itny taiz nahi ho...Taiz logon k sath raho gy tho taiz ho jaye gy...jahilon me baitny ka anjam yahi jahiliyat hothi hy......
makayee k dany ki tarah kiyun uchal koodh ker rahy ho....

:)

Posted 1 year ago on 20 May 2011 8:00 #
Not Possible
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baba agar aap taiz how tou Allah khair karaye is duniya ki

dude you must be considered slow even by 5 year old standards

Posted 1 year ago on 20 May 2011 8:40 #
alirazaster
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sufisoul bechara koi productive input tou de nahin sakta
tou ye khud beech beech mein uchal kood ker k apnay dosto k liye cheer leading ker rahay hain

is ko seriously na lein... thoree dair mein khud he chup ho jayein ga

Posted 1 year ago on 20 May 2011 9:41 #
SufiSoul
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I feel pity................

Posted 1 year ago on 20 May 2011 13:41 #
alirazaster
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on yourself!

Posted 1 year ago on 20 May 2011 13:46 #
SufiSoul
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Atleast you have a good sense of MAZAAQ.......:P

Posted 1 year ago on 20 May 2011 17:29 #
SufiSoul
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waisy you are trying hard to PACKUP this thread and discussion due to lack of answer......:P

If hazrat Umer RA decision was a biddat how rest of all the sahaba RAA including hazrat Ali RA ,accepted this and never raised their voices..????

This question needs strong answer......
no aian bain shain........

Posted 1 year ago on 20 May 2011 17:38 #
alirazaster
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yes, no aain baain shaain
so please get lost :P

Posted 1 year ago on 20 May 2011 17:52 #
SufiSoul
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i khow you are very angry at me.....laikin aap maan nahi rahy thy na......panga ly baithy aur lajawab ho gaye ik hi question me.....

Posted 1 year ago on 20 May 2011 18:11 #
Not Possible
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budhu soul I mean sorry Sufi Soul

your question has already been answered its just that you have been knocked sensless from it

oh wait you didnt have any sense to start with... :P

sorryyyy

Posted 1 year ago on 20 May 2011 19:13 #
SufiSoul
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cobweb bazahir nahi atha laikin ik dafa jo phas jaye us me phir nikal nahi saktha....

Posted 1 year ago on 21 May 2011 2:35 #
SufiSoul
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cobweb bazahir nazar nahi atha laikin ik dafa jo phas jaye us me phir nikal nahi saktha....

Posted 1 year ago on 21 May 2011 2:36 #
Not Possible
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well atleast now you realize kay toumn phas gay how :P

Posted 1 year ago on 21 May 2011 3:46 #
semirza
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Thread closed till this matter is resolved.

Posted 1 year ago on 21 May 2011 5:56 #
SufiSoul
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Thank You mirza sb,

The question remains for NotPossible why he think Hazrat Umer RA ceated BIDDAT of 3 TALAAQ and obiviously all the Sahaba RA accepted this decision of 3 TALAAQ and never raised any voice against it,the history shows that..
Now hazrat Ali RA and thousands of Sahaba RAA were followers of Hazrat Umer RA.
Did all these Sahaba RA were BIDDATI MAAZALLAH,Astaghfirullah......
NotPossible/SAR jawab do....ya daleel do...history se is k against koi proof do...ya sorry karo

Posted 1 year ago on 22 May 2011 22:19 #
barackosama
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SufiSoul,

There response is here.

http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/enough-rid-yourselves-now-of-the-traitor-rulers/page/9#post-240471

Basically this is what Ali RA did in 26 years before he got imself on Khilafa seat. He did not accept anything that is in the Sunni tradition, no bayyah, agreement to the first three caliphs, advisory role, support of them .. in fact he was at conflict with the three caliphs.

Am I correct Not Possible and Ali Bhai?

So if this was the case, where did Ali RA stay in Madina, where did he pray .. how he dealth with the authorities he was against with, these must have been troubling times to oppose and invite persecution. What is your history tell you or should I say mythical legend.

It's a munqatah faith, a mursil faith .. having no connectivity and no consistent narrative.

Please give some events about 26 years when he was keeping cool, we don't need a sermon. The issue was grave and needed leg work.

Posted 1 year ago on 22 May 2011 22:25 #
alirazaster
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humari history(reality) ye hai k Hazrat Ali nay koi biddat accept nahin kiya thaa... or na he bayat lee thee.... aap tou aaj tak biddah k he followers banay baithay hain..... or bajaye apnay aap ko sudharein, Hazrat Ali pe bhutaan laga rahay hain k wo bhi biddati thay!!!!!
insaan nahin banna, apni ghalti mut manna, lekin ulta doosron ko bhi bhutaan laga k apnay biddah ka hissa bana lena!!! wah wah... kia tehzeeb hai aap ki.....
ye tou bata dou k zakir naik ki baaton say kuch asar letay ho????? ya apnay mullahon ki baat bhi hasi mazak mein ura detay ho??

@BO
hazrat Ali pe bhi behas zaroor hogi.......
aap pehlay tallaaq ka maamla tou sort out ker lein
hazrat umer k is iqdaam k baaray mein aap kuch kehna pasand nahin fermayein ge????
ye tariqa-e-kaar sahi nahin, k ***** ki tarhan apni bari mein sawal gol ker dou! tou is dafa aap pehlay jawab de dijiye, tub he aagay berha jaye ga

Posted 1 year ago on 23 May 2011 7:09 #
Not Possible
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BO

although simple soul here is not worth giving answers as he dosent have enough brain matter to understand still,
thanks for the answer as it is the right answer

you on the other hand have brain matter but dont want to apply it

In resposne to your question which although is not that clear

Rasool Allah (SAW) lived in Makkah and Shaib-e-Abi Talib through far much adversity at a time of kufar rule but Rasool Allah lived with pateince consolidating and waiting for his time, same example was between the time of Sulah-e-Hudaibya and Fatehay Makkah

Hazrat Ali followed the same priciple, besides there were many Sahab who were loyal to Hazrat Ali hence Hazrat Ali wasnt living under the imprsioned type of conditions that existed at the time of Shaib-e-Abi Talib.

These version of events are fact, stated and recorded in books of both sects, the myth is the blind assertions you make

Posted 1 year ago on 23 May 2011 16:24 #
Not Possible
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As for sufi soul and S.E Mirza should note that I have given this answer countless times above and hence not open this thread on the pretext the question hasnt been answered

Hazrat Ali and many Sahaba loyal to him did not follow this Biddah of Hazrat Umer and so didnt many others

question to you is

This is a Biddah as it is against the Ahkams of Allah and words of Quranic Ayats

Hazrat Umer did make this Biddah and Biddah is a sin, you can even today see that Ahlay Sunnah follow the practice of talaq in contavention of Ayats of Quran

so why are you in the first place still doing it and why do you think that 100s of Sahaba did it?

the explantion that many people do wrong is not what will make the wrong become a right

or are you in denial of what is written in the Quran and dont value the Ahkams of Allah?

Posted 1 year ago on 23 May 2011 16:27 #
SufiSoul
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Hazrat Ali and many Sahaba loyal to him did not follow this Biddah of Hazrat Umer and so didnt many others

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First of all thanks for lecture over Bidda..
Secondly we dont need just words but proofs from history that,
WHEN HAZRAT UMER RA ORDERED ABOUT 3 TALAAQ AT THAT TIME HAZRAT ALI RA AND HIS COMPANIONS DID NOT FOLLOW THIS ORDER AND TOOK IT AS BIDDA..................

>As for sufi soul and S.E Mirza should note that I have given this answer countless times above and hence not open this thread on the pretext the question hasnt been answered<
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Seems you wanna quit this TOPIC at any cost,
You tried to get this thread closed
But i re-opened it.
Now again you are requesting semirza to get this topic closed.
Laikin me itni asani se chortha nahi..ye kambal ab tujhy chimat gaya hy.....lol
aap mukhtalif dawo paich istimal ker rahy ho bhaagny k liye.....

Posted 1 year ago on 23 May 2011 18:06 #
Not Possible
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Hey Simple

I dont mind it being opened :)

all I said it shouldnt have been opened for the pretext of not having been answered

you have been answered and i dont mind entertaing you questions for fun

it is good that you keep exposing yourself

and the burden of proof is now on you to prove that

all Sahaba followed this Biddah of Hazrat Umer and commited this sin by violating Ahkams of Allah

as your asserting that

all Sahaba did this Biddah,

i.e. all Sahaba did this sin

i.e. all Sahaba violated Ahkams of Allah

Posted 1 year ago on 23 May 2011 18:10 #
Not Possible
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simple soul

question to you is

This is a Biddah as it is against the Ahkams of Allah and words of Quranic Ayats

Hazrat Umer did make this Biddah and Biddah is a sin, you can even today see that Ahlay Sunnah follow the practice of talaq in contavention of Ayats of Quran

so why are you in the first place still doing it and why do you think that 1000s of Sahaba did it?

the explantion that many people do wrong is not what will make the wrong become a right

or are you in denial of what is written in the Quran and dont value the Ahkams of Allah?

Posted 1 year ago on 23 May 2011 18:14 #
SufiSoul
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You couldnot estimate that you are expecting Sahaba RAA including hazrat Ali RA did nothing when Hazrat Umer RA did this(wrong according to you)..
Sahaba RAA were silent against Bidda..???
pehly tolo phir bola karo..
Sahaba RAA k khilaaf bolny me tum logon ki koi had nahi is liye baghair sochy jo mon me aye bol daithy ho...??

So you are unable to prove that,
AT this particular matter from Hazrat Umer RA Hazrat ALI showed any resistance...
This behaviour of hazrat Ali RA shows either
1.Hazrat Ali RA also accepted this decision which is no more Biddat
2.He kept silent over sin like Biddat(can any Sahaba be expected like this to kept silent over sin by KHALIFA.

OR prove
That Hazrat ALi RA resisted against this Biddat(according to you)..
Proof is needed not your words as your words are no more be trusted...

Posted 1 year ago on 23 May 2011 18:54 #
Not Possible
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Even BO has answerd this question of yours

Hazrat Ali and Sahaba loyal to him did not follow this Biddah

you are accusing all Sahaba of doing this Biddah, this sin

you should prove it

Posted 1 year ago on 23 May 2011 19:03 #
SufiSoul
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Hazrat Ali and Sahaba loyal to him did not follow this Biddah

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Aap ne koi khwab dekha hy ye....ya kuch proof maujood hain is dunya me.....???????

Posted 1 year ago on 23 May 2011 19:05 #
Not Possible
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do you have any proof that they followed this Biddah?

remember your the one accusing all Sahaba of this sin

Posted 1 year ago on 23 May 2011 19:08 #
SufiSoul
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I never came across any proof that rest of the Sahaba RA including Hazrat Ali rejected this decision of Hazrat RA as Biddat...
This is proof that they accepted it and implemented...
If you have any proof of rejection than why not giving me.????

Posted 1 year ago on 23 May 2011 19:11 #
SufiSoul
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Tujhy andaza hi nahi k ye kitna bara issue hotha agar koi bhi Sahabi is faisly ki mukhalifat kertha...
Tum logon ko kia pata jo din raat Sahaba ki shan me gustakhiyan kerty phirty ho.....jo aya mon me keh daithy ho..

Posted 1 year ago on 23 May 2011 19:14 #
Not Possible
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Answer me this

Is it a bigger issue to oppose Allahs Ahkams?

or

to oppose a Khalifas Ahakms

who is more Important

Allah

or Hazrat Umer?

and your the one acuusing that Sahaba followed Hazrat Umers Biddah

your accusing Sahaba of this sin, you should prove it

Posted 1 year ago on 23 May 2011 19:26 #