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AMAN KI ASHA...

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  1. ftandan
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    Times of india & jang group pakistan joint effort to normlize realation between india and pakistan, here i bring front page articale published in today's times of india.will u support this ..

    AMAN KI ASHA

    Feels odd to see those two words side by side doesn't

    Terror, hatred and fanaticism somehow sit more comfortably in our minds when we think of the other side of the border.

    Words that we've been fed in daily doses over the last six decades. And in greater doses over the last one year.

    Shutting our minds to the undeniable truth that people across the border are, above all, people. Like us.

    So here's the question. Is there any chance at all, that we could still raise a hand, not in anger but in greeting?

    Depends on who raises his hand first, some of us would say. Also how, whisper a few others. But mostly, it all boils down to one simple question.

    Why? Why must we do it? Why do we need them? Why don't they first say sorry for what they've done? And the answer is simple.

    It's easier to say Hi than to say Sorry. It's shorter too.

    Besides, there is no rule that says a book has to be closed before a new one is opened. Not even if it's a history book.

    So on the first day of this new year, we're going to make a start. Again.

    With Aman Ki Asha. A brave, new people-to-people initiative by the Times of India and Pakistan's Jang Group to bring the people of two fine nations closer together. Cuturally, emotionally and peacefully.

    Starting with a series of cross-border cultural interactions, business seminars, music & literary festivals and citizens meet that will give the bonds of humanity a chance to survive outside the battlefields of politics, terrorism and fundamentalism.

    In the hope that one day, words like Pakistan, India and Love will not seem impossible in the same impossible in the same sentence.

    Posted 2 years ago on 01 Jan 2010 10:10 #
  2. Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    I'm sorry! I don't agree.

    Mingling with Indians, exchanging cultural delegations hasn't helped Pakistan's cause one bit.

    India is still threatening Pakistan, and now China also with military strike.

    You are deluding yourself by thinking Indians want betterment. Their statements as well as their actions don't show this.

    Posted 2 years ago on 01 Jan 2010 10:22 #
  3. netengr
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    yahan per kisi ko aman ki baat pasand nahi aati hay mulla fazadi ser per kafan bandhay ghussa aur nafrat liyeh baitha hay .lerae lerae aur fasad yehi hay mairay jamaati ka irshad

    Posted 2 years ago on 01 Jan 2010 10:24 #
  4. toamin
    member

    aman kee baat baad may pehlay yeh batain kay GEO ko yeh theka kitnay may mila?

    Posted 2 years ago on 01 Jan 2010 10:27 #
  5. Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    @netengr: We have tried this 'amman' whatever approach in Musharraf's time for ALL the 8+ years of his rule. It hasn't helped.

    India is still threatening us with military strike. It is sending its agents from Afghanistan into FATA, NWFP, Baluchistan.

    What do you want from us ? That we should willingly give up our freedom to India ?

    I would say you can go to hell. We will never do that.

    Posted 2 years ago on 01 Jan 2010 10:30 #
  6. toamin
    member

    ISLAMABAD: Pakistan hit out hard at Indian army chief Gen Deepak Kapoor who boasted on Wednesday that his army was ready to face Pakistan and China at the same time, saying Kapoor was out of step with ground realities.

    http://www.thenews.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=26409

    Posted 2 years ago on 01 Jan 2010 11:04 #
  7. kq
    Member

    Its a good initiative, though i doubt it will make much headway. Both the govt's. have other things to worry about and both are hesitant to take the first step, mindful of the hawkish elements that can twist any progress into a hype about betrayal.

    Eventually though, i am pretty sure both Pakistan and India will become peaceful and friendly towards each other. We have to much in common and to much at stake, to keep fighting forever. Its in our own benefit that we make peace.

    Posted 2 years ago on 01 Jan 2010 11:37 #
  8. Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    You can't make peace, if Pakistan goes out of its way for peace and the other party is gearing up for regional war, claiming US and Russia would support it in that war.

    Posted 2 years ago on 01 Jan 2010 11:42 #
  9. I would not be wise on Pakistan's part on building relations with India. India should never be trusted at any capacity or at any level. We should focus on China, Afghanistan, Iran and Central Asia more towards building relations.
    As long as India builds up its arsenal and keeps saber rattling, Pakistan should not even consider but instead keep on strengthening itself like India is. We should not allow ourselves to be fooled into building up relations while all the way India is threatening Pakistan with war.

    Posted 2 years ago on 01 Jan 2010 11:53 #
  10. Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    Mirza sb. aap ne mere balke ham sab ke dil ki baat ki hai.

    We don't need to run after India, we don't need to 'beg' for peace from India. We should leave India to itself.

    We should work towards strengthening ourselves, work for creating a block for strategic cooperation in this region, with Iran, Afghanistan, China, Middle Eastern nations, African Muslim/Christian nations, north western Muslim states, which came about after breaking up of USSR.

    We should also diplomatically engage with Russia in toning down the tension India is brewing up.

    This strategic block between Pakistan, Iran, Afghanistan, China, Middle Eastern nations, African Muslim and Christian nations, is a MUST!!!! for Pakistan's survival, for achieving lasting peace for this region.

    Pakistan MUST! make pacts with Iran, Afghanistan, China, Middle Eastern nations, African Muslim and Christian nations, for supporting each other in times when we face foreign aggression, no matter if it is US, UK/Europe, India or any other power.

    Making this strategic block will help us safeguard ALL our countries from foreign aggression.

    If US economy fails, US won't be able to finance criminals, traitors in our region, which will further strengthen our position, allow us to catch and punish criminals who exist right now, resulting in cleaning up of our nations of miscreants.

    With a leash on foreign aggression, we can continue to concentrate on quelling internal conflicts.

    Running this foreign and local strategy in parallel will give us a rocket! level boost! in moving us towards prosperity.

    Otherwise, US/UK and their 'assets' in Pakistan and in our regional countries will continue to spread disinformation, divide us, defeat us, while succeeding in their malign objects.

    Posted 2 years ago on 01 Jan 2010 12:02 #
  11. ftandan
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    @all
    in anger u r missing one vital point.there r 25 crore muslims in india,most of them having far & close realations in pakistan.u can hate india but u have to accept iran,china ..others r no substitute of india .u will find many commonalities in india. so speak with ur heart shouldn;t allow hate to overtake real sentiments

    Posted 2 years ago on 01 Jan 2010 12:31 #
  12. @hariskhan.
    Thanks, I appreciate your patriotism and will. It is logical that subcontinent was divided on the basis of Hindu India and Muslim Pakistan based upon differences among the two majority religions.

    This division itself is not in agreement with the idea of having much in common. Muslims were invaders of the subcontinent, and because of this are and will be kept on the hate list of Hindu majority India for a very long time. We should not forget this.

    Exchange of cultural tours won't bring a change in RSS and Hindutva mindset that is deep rooted into India's political and military infrastructure. Otherwise why engineer a series of bombing sprees and blame it on Pakistan.

    As far as our defensive buildup is concerned. We should never close our eyes sacrificing vital defense by believing into sayings that 'we have much in common'.

    Posted 2 years ago on 01 Jan 2010 12:36 #
  13. Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    @ftandan: Don't twist my words. Don't take wrong meaning of my words.

    How can you claim I am against Indian Muslims ? When I have said it in crystal clear words - we can't be friends with those in India who are gearing up for war against us.

    In India, who is speaking about war with Pakistan ?

    Posted 2 years ago on 01 Jan 2010 12:49 #
  14. I agree with those who disagree with this 'ASHA'.

    India is our enemy so treat it as an enemy, no more 'hum ahanghi' stunts!

    Posted 2 years ago on 01 Jan 2010 13:25 #
  15. change_is_close
    Member

    'baghal mein churi, moo mein ram ram'

    Don't think less of the wisdom of our forefathers! They lived with Hindus peacefully for decades, even when they were in power. But as soon as the Hindus got the upper hand, they didn't miss any chance to harm and massacre Muslims. Even today, they're doing everything they can to destabilize Pakistan.

    Posted 2 years ago on 01 Jan 2010 13:51 #
  16. india can show its good will by withdrawing its troops from kashmir and by stopping their evil plans to break or de-stabilize Pakistan.

    Posted 2 years ago on 01 Jan 2010 14:47 #
  17. msohail83
    Member

    Here is a reaction from 'educated' Indians...

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/opinions/5400937.cms

    Posted 2 years ago on 01 Jan 2010 17:10 #
  18. waashee
    Member

    I think this is a great effort.But there are so many efforts like this in past.How can Indian government be covinced,becaus if they are serious in ,so called "AMAN KI ASHA" they should not do even "INSANI HAQOOK KI KHILAF WARZI" in Kashmir instead of solve the "MASLA KASHMIR".yE ACHHI KOSHISH hai par mera khayal hai kk kuch nahi hone wala.jab tak asal masayal na halll ho jain.

    Posted 2 years ago on 01 Jan 2010 17:34 #
  19. Anonymous

    Governments of Pakistan and India had been stretching hate against each other for the last 60+ years. But what we gained out of it, other than justification for maintaining huge armies at the cost of basic amenities for people of the two countries.

    It is time that the sensible people of the two countries should act now. Especially, people of India must pressurize their government to settle the dispute of Kashmir to enable the two countries to bring their relations to a level where we have mutual trust and respect for each other. I believe that Kashmir dispute is the main hurdle to achieve this goal. It will be in the interest of not only Pakistan and India but also in the interest of peace and prosperity in south Asia.

    Therefore, the initiative taken by the Jang Group and Times of India for ‘Aman Ki Aasha’ should not only be appreciated but also supported.

    Posted 2 years ago on 01 Jan 2010 18:39 #
  20. Musician
    Member

    Until the Government of India does not change its anti-Pakistani stance this aman ki asha will always be a Nirasha. A wolf is always a wolf.

    Posted 2 years ago on 01 Jan 2010 18:47 #
  21. Anonymous

    Dear Musician Sb

    As I wrote, people of India must persuade their government to settle Kashmir dispute to make us believe that Government of India changed its anti-Pakistani stance. That could be a breakthrough.

    Posted 2 years ago on 01 Jan 2010 19:41 #
  22. Musician
    Member

    Dear Adnak
    "People of India must persuade their Government to settle Kashmir dispute"

    I think it is the other way round. It is the Government which has to convince the voters that the problem should be solved. And do you expect any Indian Government wanting to do that? The simple answer is NO. Why should India give away any part of Kashmir when they are already in possession? Indian has been in possession for the last 60 years and no UN resolution or the authority passing that resulution has been able to persuade India to do that.

    There is only one way that Pakistan can resolve this issue and that is by force. This notion must have brought a smile on your face. But that is exactly what Pakistan has to do. We can learn many a lessons from India and I beleive that good things/acheivements of even one's enemey should be appreciated and one should try to emulate. Look at India's econmic progress. From being a very poor country (by various world indices) it has progressed to be in the G20 Club(20 richest countries in the world). India has not achived this by a magic wand. They have worked hard for this consistently for many a years. India is not just a collection of people, it is a nation.

    We in Pakistan have not acheived anything. Have we? We used to be self-sufficient in food, we are not any more. We are not a Nation, we are just a crowd.

    Enough of doom and gloom. We can start now and I beleive that if we sincerely work hard, be self sufficient and economically strong we can talk to India as equal partners. When you talk from the position of strength you can negotiate at your terms.

    We can make all the goodwill gesures like Samjota Express but these do not mean anything when India can tell you " We do not want to play cricket against you" whenever it chooses to do so.

    I desperately want to be a proud Pakistani. I only wish there was something to be proud of.

    Posted 2 years ago on 01 Jan 2010 21:03 #
  23. Anonymous

    Dear Musician Sahib.

    Yes, there is only one way that Pakistan can resolve this issue and that is by force.

    Laikin wo bhi tou nahee hai! Karain kia! (KhudKush strategy kaam karay gi?)

    Otherwise I fully agree with you.

    I again agree with you that we all desperately want to be a proud Pakistani but we wish if there was something to be proud of.

    Phir bhi, 'Aman ki aasha' karnay mein kia harj hai.

    Posted 2 years ago on 01 Jan 2010 21:26 #
  24. Musician
    Member

    Yes Adnak
    Tum nay toe pharsi par rackhi hai. Khud kush ka matlab be para hoga. Is qabil ho jaien ke "Khud sataaee" ho.

    Aman ki khawhish hi achhi baat hai lekin apnay haath mazboot houn to aman peechay peechay bhagta hai.

    Posted 2 years ago on 01 Jan 2010 21:38 #
  25. netengr
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    Nice column by Sleem Safi on Aman ki Aasha

    http://jang.com.pk/jang/jan2010-daily/05-01-2010/col2.htm

    http://jang.com.pk/jang/jan2010-daily/05-01-2010/editorial/col2.gif

    Posted 2 years ago on 05 Jan 2010 11:48 #
  26. Anonymous

    A very good column from Saleem Safi indeed. He is 100% right in stating:

    “Basa auqat loag taleem yafta ho kar bhi baaz hawaloon se jahil rehte hein”

    Unfortunately, we are misled by religious leaders, who play with the emotions of general public to instigate war hysteria in the region. But people are slowly and gradually realizing that we should not further pollute our region, instead we need to make this world peaceful.

    Posted 2 years ago on 05 Jan 2010 12:07 #
  27. jaypk
    Member

    Why? Why must we do it? Why do we need them? Why don't they first say sorry for what they've done? And the answer is simple

    they blame us for interventions in thr country..we blame them...but...i think..hum agar haath barha dain gay to kuch ghiss naee jaye ga..koi chota ya bara naee hota...infact pehal karna achee baat hay...and that also with naik niyyati....so why not.....and if we make kashmir the core issue..thn we wold never shake hands...besides kashmiris never want to be with pakistan..they want to be independent.the only reason is tht they dnt have any choice..so they support pakistan..but they nevr want to be a part of pakistan..they want to be independent..par hum maray jaatay hain un ki azaadi k liye...or mujahideen bhee bhaijtay hain...!!

    all those ppl in above post whn sayin tht indians are not loyal to pakistanis....do you think we are any loyal to them...we are both the same..!!

    Posted 2 years ago on 05 Jan 2010 15:53 #
  28. toamin
    member

    hamray hath aur zabaanain to agay nical nical kar sookh rahay hain... abb kuch doosri side bhi to kuch karay naa... woh to geedarbhabkion may lagay huway hain...

    Posted 2 years ago on 05 Jan 2010 15:57 #
  29. Anonymous

    Jee haaan, aap bilkul theek keh rahe hein Salam/JJ

    Doosri side ko hum se ziada aagay ja kar sabit karna ho ga keh wo bhi 'Aman ki Aasha' kay kile mukhlis hein. Donoo mumalik kay loogon ko sabit karna hoga keh wo aman se rehna chatay hein takeh ghareeb awam ki halat ko behtar banaya ja sakay.

    Posted 2 years ago on 05 Jan 2010 16:46 #
  30. netengr
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    Lagta hay saleem safi bhi indian agent ban gaya hay :) .become "ANTI PAKISTANI "

    http://jang.com.pk/jang/jan2010-daily/05-01-2010/col2.htm

    Posted 2 years ago on 05 Jan 2010 16:48 #
  31. Rehan1983
    Member

    In my humble opinion, this is a popularity stunt by Jang and Times of India group. I might be wrong but seems like it cos they have not taken any other media company on board. This campaign will fail and fade i am sure. Number 1 reason is above, no other media company involved. I read an article on this site and totally agree to other reasons pointed out as well:

    http://www.pakool.com/featured/aman-ki-asha-a-shot-in-the-dark-bound-to-fail/

    Posted 2 years ago on 07 Jan 2010 17:40 #
  32. I don't see much out of this effort becaz 'BRAVE ARMY' would sabotage any concrete effort as it did in 1999 by initiating Kargil misadventure.

    Posted 2 years ago on 08 Jan 2010 5:39 #
  33. Rehan1983
    Member

    @asif khan

    AGREED!

    Posted 2 years ago on 08 Jan 2010 6:51 #

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