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American agency HAARP caused Pakistan Flood , NO

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  1. It is said that American scientific agency caused flood, it can control weather bla. bla ... there is also a columns written by someone about this.
    Sorry, unable to find the images of news cuttings for now, lost those links somewhere.

    Let me tell you this is WRONG, don't be fooled. See the description of HAARP on Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Frequency_Active_Auroral_Research_Program. It is a scientific research program for communication.

    Its purpose is to analyze the ionosphere and investigate the potential for developing ionospheric enhancement technology for radio communications and surveillance purposes (such as missile detection).

    Posted 1 year ago on 17 Sep 2010 14:10 #
  2. Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    HAARP is also a tool to 'manipulate' 'weather'. Americans, perhaps even Europeans have been researching on this for some time now. I 'speculate' they'v been researching 'weather control' for more than 3 decades.

    I'v seen news in western media that western scientists are working on Tornados'. There's frequent news of this on BBC as well.

    Posted 1 year ago on 17 Sep 2010 14:17 #
  3. Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    This is relevant, since in Islamic scripture which talks about the;

    (1) era of AntiChrist (Dajjal)
    (2) End of times

    there is mention of the AntiChrist controlling how, when, where, rainfall will occur. Through this he will have control over who has 'crops' and who doesn't.

    ..and he will allow only those people to have 'healthy' 'crops', who pledge allegiance to him or his system.

    This will be just one mechanism of his 'control'.

    Posted 1 year ago on 17 Sep 2010 14:20 #
  4. @hariskhan can you please share some links of those researh and BBC news?

    Posted 1 year ago on 17 Sep 2010 14:20 #
  5. lolz.. so we should get ready to face tornados after HAARP's flood.

    Posted 1 year ago on 17 Sep 2010 14:20 #
  6. Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    Now, since Zionists/Unjust Jews are 'deciples' / 'followers' of the AntiChrist, and the fact that they own or 'control' most of the 'financial' stuff that goes on in;

    (a) USA
    (b) Europe
    (c) South America

    plus they are 'in the process' of 'increasing' their control over 'Asia', 'Africa', 'Middle East', we can 'speculate' they are near to have 'control' over most of the world.

    In-fact it would not be wrong for me, when I say, Zionists/Unjust Jews own the entire western, godless world, through;

    (1) finance realm -> 'interest' based business, 'banking system'
    (2) politics realm -> 'democracy'
    (3) social values -> based on uncontrolled 'lust' for materials
    (4) judiciary -> we are only 'starting' to see the 'emergence' of crisis of justice in the west

    The point is, they are going for NWO (New World Order), that is 'world' 'government'.

    In this world government, finance situation will be managed through 'banks'. As long as they control finance of the world, they own the world, they will control it.

    Since, people all over the world won't accept slavery at their hands, and will fight back, as we move into the future from this date, they are increasingly worried about 'securing' their 'rule' over the entire population of this planet.

    Posted 1 year ago on 17 Sep 2010 14:26 #
  7. Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    To secure their rule, to control the masses all over the world, they are increasingly investing in 'security' solutions. One of which happens to be 'weather control'.

    The way human beings become 'free' is when they become 'self reliant'. One of the primary ways in which people 'attain' 'self reliance' is through 'growing' their own 'crops', on their own land.

    If you control the people's ability to grow 'crops', you control people's 'freedom'. You can 'own' them. They will do whatever you want. They will accept slavery at your hand.

    Posted 1 year ago on 17 Sep 2010 14:30 #
  8. Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    BBC News: Researchers embark on 'unprecedented' tornado study

    30 April 2010 Last updated at 17:04 GMT
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    Researchers hope the study will help improve tornado warnings and forecasts

    An international team of researchers is embarking on what has been described as the most ambitious tornado study in history.

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    Alex Jones, a radio host in USA, is right when he says there's a 'scientific' 'dictatorship' that is running to 'claim' 'rule' over this entire world.

    He has many facts, that USA, that the world is moving in this direction.

    Western countries/nations have '(ab)used' science before. This is nothing new. They are once again using products based on science as their weapon against mankind.

    Posted 1 year ago on 17 Sep 2010 14:36 #
  9. Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    In the coming future, when;

    (1) Pakistan's nuclear arsenal is 'rendered' useless/worthless
    (2) USA's economy has been destroyed

    Israel will claim to be the next ruling state in the world. They will control or 'run' this entire planet from Israel.

    The WW III that some are warning about, is coming. Yes, I agree, it is coming. The world and its people have reached many tipping points. There is no going around them.

    Israel will fight off wars from its enemies, and will 'manage' to 'over-power' them to make the world 'realize' its status of next ruling state in the world.

    This event will be one of the points when a sharp line will be carved between loyal and disloyal Muslims. This will distinguish the 'grain' from the 'other thing' (I don't remember its name).

    The man running this planet, will be the AntiChrist. He won't surface, untill Muslims will have 'dealt' with 'India'. It is only after India will have 'collapsed' into many states, and Muslims have 'dealt' with 'leaders' of India, when AntiChrist will surface.

    The 'entities' working for him or side by side him, will be the 'Yajooj Majooj' (creatures known to mankind for the most vile of mischief, for spreading 'whispers', 'corruption', 'confusion' everywhere, as they are doing right now).

    Posted 1 year ago on 17 Sep 2010 14:41 #
  10. Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    In Islamic scriptures, there is talk of two 'entities', the 'Yajooj Majooj' (as being two nations of creatures, mischievous creatures) that Muslims will not be able to 'destroy' or 'over-power'.

    ALLAH ALMIGHTY says, only ALLAH ALMIGHTY has the power to 'destroy' or 'over-power' them, as per HIS whims.

    Some Muslim scholars think, the 'Yajooj Majooj', those two entities are people of;

    (1) USA, Europe
    (2) Russia

    It was people from Europe, who fled to USA and colonized the land we know as 'USA'.

    These are two nations Muslims have not been able to 'destroy' or 'over-power' in our history.

    Posted 1 year ago on 17 Sep 2010 14:46 #
  11. @hariskhan
    My question to you is:
    Are you able to discuss this thread topic based on scientific principles only like how HAARP operates or is it capable to ionize the atmosphere on a massive scale....

    Posted 1 year ago on 17 Sep 2010 14:51 #
  12. Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    Some material is available on the web. But most of the 'facts' have not been 'published' in 'public domain' yet.

    This is their 'next generation' 'weapon' of war. They have some other weapons as well. Why would they 'publicize' info on next generation weapons ?

    They won't do that untill they'v 'utilized' these weapons to serve their 'purpose', their 'agenda'.

    Posted 1 year ago on 17 Sep 2010 14:53 #
  13. Therefore until that time comes when facts are published we should do away with a scientific project by linking it with Dijjal or yajooj majooj!.....

    Posted 1 year ago on 17 Sep 2010 15:00 #
  14. Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    There are a lot of articles, with a lot of URLs/links/references in them on;

    - PakAlertPress

    to read on this subject. Those of us, who have time, they should read them. I'm stretched 'these days'.

    Posted 1 year ago on 17 Sep 2010 15:06 #
  15. Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    The era of 'AntiChrist' will come upon this world, to distinguish between Muslims and imposters.

    In this era, the lines will be drawn. Crystal clear distinction will be established. After which INSHALLAH Muslim UMMAH will re-emerge.

    This is all as per 'decree' of ALLAH ALMIGHTY.

    The problem Muslims face today is, their ranks are 'full' of 'vile', 'traitor' 'imposters' who claim to be 'Muslims'.

    As a result, there is no unity of people, no unity of 'thought process'. One of the reasons why Muslims are unable to 'focus' on being 'productive' for the last 3 or plus centuries, is because they have been 'focusing' on 'establishing' 'justice', establish Islam's system within our ranks. Yet have failed, in all their attempts, thus far.

    The armed resistance movement in some parts of Pakistan is also an 'extension' of the 'need' to 'have' Islam's system within our land, that is being 'forcefully' 'denied' to people of this land.

    One of the prime reasons of failure at this, is the 'hidden' 'imposters' within our ranks, 'dividing' us in our 'thought process', in our 'struggle'.

    Posted 1 year ago on 17 Sep 2010 15:11 #
  16. HK, be really really cautious when you talk about Allah(swt) or Rasulallah SAW. The word 'whims' is not worthy to be used for Allah(swt)... I hope you understand...

    Posted 1 year ago on 17 Sep 2010 15:20 #
  17. @hariskhan
    We should also keep in mind if comments are not relevant to the thread topic then considered as off topic comments they will be removed.

    Posted 1 year ago on 17 Sep 2010 15:22 #
  18. Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    Mirza sb. noted and 'agreed'.

    @UmeR: What is a 'better' word ?

    I have 'corrected' it, changed it to 'decree'.

    Posted 1 year ago on 17 Sep 2010 15:24 #
  19. @LifeH20

    Don't know much about HAARP but no doubt any one of the great powers would certainly like to have something like it, have/are studying it. BTW: We were talking about it here the other day:
    Climate Weapons: More Than Just a Conspiracy Theory?
    I did put up a link in a comment that you might be interested in...

    Posted 1 year ago on 17 Sep 2010 15:32 #
  20. HK, thats better...

    Posted 1 year ago on 17 Sep 2010 15:34 #
  21. It would be better if there are more links of some reliable sources (BBC, some scientific website etc).

    BBC News: Researchers embark on 'unprecedented' tornado study

    They are just studying tornado according to the link, not creating it.

    Posted 1 year ago on 19 Sep 2010 19:21 #
  22. 1. Program site: http://www.haarp.alaska.edu/. The HAARP station is located in Alaska, 250 km north-east of Ankoridge.
    2. Chossudovsky M. Washington's New World Order Weapons Can Trigger Climate Change // http://www.mindfully.org/Air/Climate-Change-Weapons.htm

    Posted 1 year ago on 19 Sep 2010 19:26 #
  23. These are the links i found but they may be conspiracy theories.
    http://csat.au.af.mil/2025/index.htm
    http://www.globalpolicy.org/component/content/article/212/45492.html

    @semirza On the HAARP site it is no where mentioned that it can control weather. Controlling the weather on such a large scale seems very unrealistic

    Posted 1 year ago on 19 Sep 2010 19:32 #
  24. Quite right. HAARP project is shrouded in mystery. A massive array of antennas that beam high energy EM beams into the ionosphere.

    But this is also true such beams ionize the atmosphere seeding moisture laden high altitude layers resulting in induced precipation.

    Posted 1 year ago on 19 Sep 2010 19:41 #
  25. Another link:
    http://arcticcircle.uconn.edu/VirtualClassroom/HAARP/haarp.html

    Posted 1 year ago on 19 Sep 2010 19:45 #
  26. rashidsaleem
    Member

    There were such reports earlier and these explain the height of naivety in this nation. The floods are a natural catastrophe just like the earthquakes. Why would be go in a super-space age where weapons like these exist? This is not a movie.

    Posted 1 year ago on 20 Sep 2010 12:00 #
  27. Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    @rashidsaleem: (1) What would the men, who have all the money in this entire world, want, after having all this money ?

    They want 'power', power over others. What do men who have all the money and power do, when they attain both these things in abundance ? They look for ways to 'preserve', to 'secure' their money, their power, 'forever'.

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    (2) Go through videos on the;

    Thread: Video: Creature From Jekyll Island - How usury destroyed America

    None of this is 'fiction'. This is reality.

    Posted 1 year ago on 20 Sep 2010 12:04 #
  28. Title of this stupid thread is perfect example of the term 'Conspiracy Theory'.

    Blame Americans for everything. Tsunami, earthquake, floods, in short every natural disaster is due to Americans. What a way to hate Americans and what a way to promote hatred against America. Tomorrow someone will say America was also responsible for Sialkot mob lynching.

    One of my cousins blames India and RAW agents for Pakistani cricket team match fixing. Now it has become a strong culture in our society to put blames on others for our own mistakes and corruption and now even for natural diasasters. Since 2001 when America stopped flow of US dollars to Pakistani groups such as Jamat Islami/Talibans and many others, they all have turned against USA to vent their frustration.

    Posted 1 year ago on 20 Sep 2010 12:32 #
  29. Americans did it or not? Or what ever!
    The real question is 'if it is at all possible' if yes than How?

    Posted 1 year ago on 20 Sep 2010 16:15 #
  30. zenith
    Member

    Even if it was this HAARP technology, does this absolve our administration of the responsibility they had towards the people?

    Some people have brought in religion and have eased into the denial mode. Its just so painful to see this.

    Well what can we say

    DENIAL IS THE LAST RECOURSE OF THE DOOMED!

    Posted 1 year ago on 20 Sep 2010 17:31 #
  31. Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    @zenith: Who is denying what ?

    Why don't you put it in clear words ?

    Posted 1 year ago on 20 Sep 2010 18:23 #
  32. Let us shed this paranoia. Weather making is definitely being studied but at this time only a few sprinkles can be made. If it was that simple, there are wast swathes of desert land in in south west in US. HAARP should have done some raining there first or they should have prevented Mississippi floods.

    Posted 1 year ago on 20 Sep 2010 18:33 #
  33. @hariskhan

    You should be awarded a Ph.D degree in Conspiracy Theory. Is this subject Conspiracy Theory part of Mansoora syllabus?

    Posted 1 year ago on 21 Sep 2010 17:11 #
  34. In monthly Global Science (Only Urdu Science Magazine of Pakistan) of this month they have written a very detailed article with scientific facts that how HAARP was not involved and how it is not possible for HAARP to do that.

    Posted 1 year ago on 29 Sep 2010 11:36 #
  35. Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    There is "talk" in USA about "coming out" of a "new" "invention" to the "scale" of invention of fire or wheel in the area of energy/source of power/electricity.

    Which means, the question of "skeptics" of "HAARP" as far as the "power source" behind this weapon is concerned, is "about" to "get answered" in the coming era.

    Hold onto your horses folks.

    Posted 1 year ago on 22 Jan 2011 18:45 #
  36. Brought over from thread: http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/haarp-americans-secret-
    weapon-for-weather-modification

    1.Sohail12

    There are some controvercies about "HAARP" weapon/project of America that wheather it is a big weapon developed for self defence or for further advance research or for weather modification (mosam mein tabdeeli)>> See proofes about some of them...

    Pakistan flood 2010: Is HAARP used in Pakistan for flood????
    http://www.pakalertpress.com/2010/08/06/pakistan-flood-photos-haarp-fingerprints-found-allover/
    Did HAARP hit Haiti? Evidence and motives:
    http://www.dailypaul.com/node/122552

    for details just type "HAARP" in google and get more...
    POSTED 2 HOURS AGO ON 22 JAN 2011 16:22

    Posted 1 year ago on 22 Jan 2011 18:51 #
  37. Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    @Gujjar Talwar: Again, Islam's scriptures give Muslims an "idea" of how it will be in era of global government, which happens to be the time when the AntiChrist will "finally" "surface" "in the open".

    Islam's scriptures say the AntiChrist will;

    (1) "control" "water" / which land has water for irrigation
    (2) "control" which land can grow stuff on it

    That is "crystal clear" "indication" of the "power" that ALLAH ALMIGHTY will "allow" the AntiChrist to "possess".

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    As ALL of mankind knows, the "way" to "self reliance" is through "self reliance" in "agriculture" i.e., land reforms.

    You cannot have "agriculture" without easy availability of water.

    Talk has also started in USA, about the "elite" there rushing for "control" of water. They'v "already started" to experiment with this idea of "control of water" with some actions inside USA.

    I encourage Muslims to do their own independent research into these matters. To contact people who they know, to push "relentlessly" for searching for answers in this regard.

    Why are the elite of the world living in the west "obsessed" with having "control" over "water" ?

    Posted 1 year ago on 22 Jan 2011 18:51 #
  38. For God's Sake guys, are we serious???

    HAARP, I am just so disappointed that we would even bring up an idiotic topic like this!! To top it all Harris is defending it!!!

    We watch one pathetic show of Jesse Ventura and think we know it all.

    HARRIS "NEEM HAKEEM" KHAN, PLEASE STOP, YOU ARE SPREADING "FASAD" ON THIS EARTH....

    You have no idea what HAARP is and what it does or the science behind it.

    Posted 1 year ago on 23 Jan 2011 2:33 #
  39. Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    @dell: (1) This is not from Jesse Ventura's show. I haven't even watched that show.

    This is real life stuff, the "next generation" "weapon" of warfare.

    (2) ..perhaps you do have "idea" of HAARP ? What is it ?

    Please enlighten us.

    Posted 1 year ago on 23 Jan 2011 10:10 #
  40. scandinavian
    Member

    I don't believe they can control weather (to have a desire to do so is another case) on a significant scale. If they could control tornadoes etc., then why not start at home. Isn't the US plagued by these every year?

    Posted 1 year ago on 23 Jan 2011 10:39 #
  41. Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    @Scandinavian: People in US have already started working on "finding ways" to "control" tornadoes.

    Do your own independent research into it.

    Posted 1 year ago on 23 Jan 2011 10:43 #
  42. Haris Khan actually traveled to Alaska and all over US and did extensive research on HAARP. He concludes "floods in Pakistan were caused by HAARP". Readers be the judge!!!!

    He also thinks massive floods during the 70s and 90s were also caused by HAARP. Actually HAARP was in it's initial stages during period of Noah A.S and "Toofan e Nooh" was just a test run.

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    Why are the elite of the world living in the west "obsessed" with having "control" over "water" ?
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    Oh jeez, I dunno maybe BECAUSE IT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT NUTRIENT FOR HUMAN BEINGS AND OTHER LIVING BEINGS!!!!

    Posted 1 year ago on 23 Jan 2011 11:05 #
  43. Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    @dell: You are putting words in my mouth. That is a futile attempt at "displaying" your "dumb side". I implore you to improve on it.

    (1) Perhaps you are unaware of the water situation in Pakistan, around Pakistan, and in the rest of the world ?

    For example, are you aware of what is going on, on the islands directly south of Pakistan, a good long way from Pakistan ? It is discussed in the;

    Video: John Pilger - Stealing A Nation

    USA/UK/West "already" has "military", "air" bases there. Tell me they put their soldiers, that they are spending money on military bases on those islands, just for having fun ?

    (2) Perhaps you need me to show you "symbols" of what is to come ?

    Posted 1 year ago on 23 Jan 2011 11:19 #
  44. Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    Video: Michael Braverman: "Worldwide Water Conspiracy" - Alex Jones Tv

    02-December-2010
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    Part #1:

    Part #2:
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    Source: Youtube Channel: TheAlexJonesChannel

    Posted 1 year ago on 23 Jan 2011 11:19 #
  45. Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    CBC News: water for profit - how multinationals are taking control of public resource

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    Water for Profit, CBC Radio's special series on the privatization of water, is done in collaboration with The Water Barons an international investigation by the International Consortium of Investigative Journalists, which is a project of the Washington-based Center for Public Integrity.

    Water, like air, is a necessity of human life. It is also, according to Fortune magazine, "One of the world's great business opportunities. It promises to be to the 21st century what oil was to the 20th."

    In the past ten years, three giant global corporations have quietly assumed control over the water supplied to almost 300 million people in every continent of the world. A 12-month investigation by journalists in Canada, the U.S., Europe, Asia and Latin America shows that the results range from questionable to disastrous. And it shows how well-meaning municipal governments in the U.S. and Canada can become vulnerable to the persuasive techniques of these high-powered corporate giants.

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    This is just the beginning.

    Google for more on;

    (1) who wants "control" over water ?
    (2) why they want to have "control" over water ?
    (3) etc etc

    Posted 1 year ago on 23 Jan 2011 11:23 #
  46. Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    Video: Using rain water is illegal????? ****!!!

    15-August-2008
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    Source: Youtube Channel: caindabomb

    Posted 1 year ago on 23 Jan 2011 11:29 #
  47. And there is always a foreign fly in our strategy soup----while all the local flies remain busy scavenging eating up the national assets.

    Posted 1 year ago on 23 Jan 2011 11:40 #
  48. Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    ThirdWorldTraveler Article: World Bank, WTO,
    and corporate control over waterstrong

    by Vandana Shiva
    International Socialist Review,
    Aug/Sep 2001
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    Giant water projects have always benefited the powerful and dispossessed the weak. Even when built by government and paid for by public money, the beneficiaries have been construction companies, industry, and large commercial farming interests. Donald Worster has called this the "contrived market of the state"-the capitalist state working to facilitate the unlimited accumulation of private wealth.

    While privatization and globalization have been accompanied by the rhetoric of the disappearing role of the state, what we see instead is the state increasingly intervening through policies, rules, laws, investment, and technology in shifting control over water from communities and the public to commercial, corporate interest.

    The policies of privatization imposed through the World Bank and rules of trade liberalization being negotiated in the World Trade Organization (WTO) under the General Agreement on Trade in Services (GATS) are rules and conditionalities that create corporate states-states that usurp resources from people for meeting vital needs and put them in the hands of private corporations for making profits through the privatization of essential services.

    The World Bank An instrument for corporate control over water

    Having created scarcity and pollution through the promotion of nonsustainable water use, the World Bank is now transforming the scarcity it has created into a market opportunity for water corporations. The World Bank estimates the potential water market at $800 billion.

    Monsanto, the biotech giant, has also been planning entry into the water business. Monsanto is seeing a new business opportunity in water because of the emerging water crisis and the funding available to make this vital resource available to people. As a Monsanto strategy paper states:

    First, we believe that dlsconunuities (either major policy changes or major trendline breaks in resource quality or quantity) are likely, particularly in the area of water and we will be well-positioned via these businesses to profit even more significantly when these discontinuities occur. Second, we are exploring the potential of non-conventional financing (NGOs, World Bank, USDA, etc.) that may lower our investment or provide local country business-building resources.

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    This was happening back in 2001.

    This is just the first few "bred crumbs" leading to the "big picture". I encourage ALL to do your own independent research into this matter.

    Posted 1 year ago on 23 Jan 2011 11:50 #

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