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An American Who Loves Pakistan

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  1. zjshami
    Member

    Posted 2 years ago on 02 Sep 2009 14:14 #

  2. chechen
    Member

    I don't know his intentions of learning Urdu but the person I would like to appreciate is new Muslim convert Dr. Umar Farooq Abdullah who runs Al Nawawi Institute in Chicago.

    http://www.nawawi.org/aboutus/umarf.html

    He speaks excellent Arabic and also learned Urdu. Once "Urdu has lot of Islamic literature next only to Arabic".

    Posted 2 years ago on 02 Sep 2009 14:21 #

  3. chechen
    Member

    Correction:I meant when asked why he is learning Urdu he replied:

    "Urdu has lot of Islamic literature next only to Arabic".

    Posted 2 years ago on 02 Sep 2009 14:23 #

  4. mylove-Pakistan
    Member

    at least he is speaking better than BILAWAL

    Posted 2 years ago on 02 Sep 2009 15:07 #

  5. linkwheel
    Member

    I saw it on Urdu VOA few month's back.

    Posted 2 years ago on 02 Sep 2009 19:26 #

  6. mulla1
    blocked

    i would be a little worried about such people these days!

    I mean not this person in particular but we have had some horrific experiences in our community from such bilingual gora's....

    Mulla!

    Posted 2 years ago on 02 Sep 2009 20:46 #

  7. rafi
    Member

    Can u give detail or hint and those horrific acts

    Posted 2 years ago on 02 Sep 2009 20:49 #

  8. mulla1
    blocked

    yes..sure...

    our local muslim community over the past years was very warm towards local muslims who converted to islam for issues ranging from iman, food, women and something new. But we the muslims are not allowed to suspect their intentions so we always gladly accepted them and showed utmost tolerance to ex criminals who excepted Islam in jails as in usa Islam is known to be a jail religion, every one, every one is a "brother" in the jail....

    after 911 we had a strange surge of arab, pathan and local white muslims in our communities all of a sudden, which or whom we never saw taking shahda......usually our masjids give out certificates of conversions for travel to saudia, Jordan etc, but we all were alerted by our Pakistani people working for government that be careful what you say.

    now most of these brothers, arabs, pathans and gora's mostly would talk to us in English or attend our gatherings and talk to young men about jihad as in the beginning "freedom of speech" was openly exercised and even local Americans were with us.....before the patriot act came out.

    one night we heard that bilal a young hafiz e quran was missing since 9 days, then yusuf, then another ...we found out that these young kids were openly talking about jihad and how to hurt or how to organize or how to motivate local public against rallies and govt policy and this was a federal crime now and they were taken into custody....

    this excelled to a level where our masajids started having Chanda issues and survival became an issue, some of these kids came back and said, do you remember that long bearded gora and that Arab or that pathan, they were all agents and they all knew Urdu but never spoke it among us cause we usually do not think that a gora will understand Urdu and pass remarks but they all understand and they all know it..with different levels of understandings!

    actually i attend two bail hearings myself and the witness for anti American remarks were desis and one arab who spoke urdu and one gora who spoke Hindi.

    the details of this is much more but due to sensitive nature of this issue, including my friends and my relatives i can give more details in private email not here...

    thats why i warn all of you to be carefully of those who try to curse America they are going to get your wrapped and it will be circumstantial evidence against you....

    Mulla!

    Posted 2 years ago on 02 Sep 2009 21:02 #

  9. rafi
    Member

    Interesting, but in my opinion this guys didn't had anything to do with religion. He was more like intoxicated with culture of east like I am intoxicated with small town usa than the bright chicago or new york. He is a translotor and scholar and also he was in pakistan in pre afghan era when pakistan was a different story. Thats all my opinion.

    Posted 2 years ago on 02 Sep 2009 21:16 #

  10. mulla1
    blocked

    i know , he is a literary type but he understands urdu and that is an asset!

    Mulla!

    Posted 2 years ago on 02 Sep 2009 21:28 #

  11. zjshami
    Member

    Dear Mulla,
    I know you are a lively knowledgeable person and kidding is your good nature.

    One must avoid immoral, unethical, unlawful, illegal and inhuman activities not only in Ramadhan but for the whole of life.
    If some one claims, pretends or preaches that Music is Haram during Ramdhan (only), he/she has every right to do so.
    I personally don't agree.
    Music is the most relaxing and soothing gift from God.

    Posted 2 years ago on 02 Sep 2009 22:07 #

  12. mylove-Pakistan
    Member

    @Mulla
    I think when the British came to India, they did not learn the language. They did not let their kids learn the local language. Still they occupied the sub-continent but for different reasons.
    I think if such people increase in number they can better understand our religious and cultural values which would result in better policies of the US for us.

    I appreciate his efforts.

    Posted 2 years ago on 03 Sep 2009 1:03 #

  13. expakistani
    Member

    میری معلومات کے مطابق جب آنحضرت موحممّد مدینہ تشریف لاے اور اسلامہ کو مدینہ کے یہودی قبیلوں تک پونچھنے کے کوشش شورو کے تو آپ نے کچھ صاحبہ کرم کو یہودیوں کے مادری زبان سیکھنے کو کہا تکے ان تک اسلام بغیر کسی پرشانی کے پہونچے .
    آج ہمارے علما عربی؛ فارسی اور اردو سے اگے کا
    سوچتے بھی نہی ہیں . اگر کسی گورے کو یا یہودی کو یا کسی فرنچ کو اگر اسلام سیکھنا ہو تو پھیلے بیچارے کو عربی یا پھر فارسی یا اردو سیکھنی پڑے گی اور پھر کہیں اسلام اس کو سمجھ میں ہے گا .

    میرے سکھول میں ایک پتوریکن نے اسلام قوبؤل کیا تھا ..... بیچارے کو اسلام کے بنیادی باتیں سیکھنے کے لیے باری موشکل ہوتی تھی کیوں کے انگرزی میں کچھ اچھی کتاب نہی ملتی .......

    Posted 2 years ago on 03 Sep 2009 2:57 #

  14. Beenai
    Moderator

    Music is still a controversial thing .
    i have read quite a few material in For and Against about Music in Islam.
    and am totally confused.

    Posted 2 years ago on 03 Sep 2009 4:13 #

  15. Red-Scorpion
    Blocked

    Guys, out of curiosity I searched for 'Ali Sina' on this search engine and interestingly http://www.faithfreedom.org also came as a result :)))

    Posted 2 years ago on 03 Sep 2009 4:20 #

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