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ANGOOR ADA

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  1. pakistanpal
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    Spearhead Analysis

    Angoor Ada is a town on the Pak-Afghan border in the Waziristan area of FATA (Pakistan’s Federally Administered Tribal Areas). The name is reminiscent of names in Viet Nam and Cambodia and if media reports are accurate then there has been a massacre of civilian men, women and children similar to the ones in places like My Lai. According to the media ‘Coalition Troops’ based in Afghanistan were dropped from helicopters under cover of combat aircraft and helicopter gunships. The troops, obviously in a hurry, barged into houses killing inmates before they were extracted. The tactics are also reminiscent of Viet Nam.

    It is not just the media that is reporting the incident. A military spokesman has condemned it as has the NWFP Governor, and the Foreign Office has summoned the US Ambassador to lodge a protest. US military and civil government sources have declined comment though one media report cites an unnamed Coalition military source as saying that this was a retaliatory action. The question being asked is that if no one knows what happened then perhaps it was a ‘rogue’ action by desperate troops pushed to the limit. The result of a joint investigation into a previous attack on a Pakistani border post is still awaited. Another widely condemned attack on Afghan civilians is being investigated after protests by the Afghans.

    A certain conditioning had taken place to the missile attacks by the US especially because there was evidence of aliens having been killed but this ‘landing’ on Pakistani soil raises the bar and is clearly deliberate escalation to a higher level. It comes in the wake of a high level US-Pak military meeting aboard a US aircraft carrier somewhere in the Indian Ocean. The question being asked is whether this is a deliberate step in pursuit of the long standing US desire to put ‘boots on the ground in FATA’ or is it some kind of ghastly mistake.

    People are drawing conclusions and speculating. Is this part of some kind of ‘body count’ policy (again shades of Viet Nam!) and if so then how many killed will lead to victory? Can such a policy ever succeed in Afghanistan-FATA? Has the US decided to do what Karzai threatened? What impact will this attack have---none because Pakistan is bogged in internal problems? Or will it consolidate the overwhelming support for the struggle by the Pukhtoons of Afghanistan? Or will it lead to increased support and sympathy for the Taleban in Pakistan and an erosion of support for the US? Will such escalation help the democracy developments taking place in Pakistan---the only hope for forging a consensus against the threat to Pakistan? A realistic appraisal of the street opinion in Pakistan especially in NWFP and FATA can lead to some answers that may interest and surprise policy makers.

    A more important question is what effect will it have on Pakistan’s security forces? They are often blamed for fighting a US war. Media images of people displaced because of military operations have not helped forge a view that this is Pakistan’s war against those who threaten its stability. The aborted attack on the PM’s car may be a preview of what is yet to come. Getting lost in translation is the importance of the US-Pakistan relationship.

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    Posted 3 years ago on 05 Sep 2008 5:59 #
  2. aristotle
    Member

    This is very unfortunate, innocent people r paying the cost and our leaders and forces r getting money… it may be result of that meeting which was held at a ship between American and our COAS ….

    We r just giving statements…. That it is… we cannot do anything

    Posted 3 years ago on 05 Sep 2008 6:59 #
  3. faraz81
    Member

    yes u r right aristotle,the poor nation is giving blood and our leaders are eating out of this blood.but atleast our munafiq politicians condemn this but our real muslim scholars has not condemned this till now.its a pity.
    our nation has taken a sleeping pill from our religious parties and think they dont have to involve themselves in these worldy matters,stay in mosque or home,say prayers,do fast and thats what islam asks from them.

    Posted 3 years ago on 05 Sep 2008 7:10 #
  4. aristotle
    Member

    So far I don’t understand that why people do vote for mulana? He has expressed himself very well in every government.. he is supporting a dictator to a exemplary corrupt politician but his voters does not take action against his hypocrisy? I think it would be better that people give vote to ms Mussarat Shaeen,,, wo jaisi hay wasi nazar aati hay.. This is a quality.. mulana sahib did not served Islam at any level except more than one marriage .. Wake up voters of mulana….. Take notice … otherwise be ready for killing by americans forces

    Posted 3 years ago on 05 Sep 2008 7:20 #
  5. faraz81
    Member

    the pity is,that there is no religious party in pakistan,who condemns maulana action openly in the media.so we can conclude that we are living in the paradies of munafiqeen,does not matter which maulana or party we are talking abt.
    but for his voters,he is a holy maulana,which will do Sifarish on the day of judgement for his followers,heehehehe stupid people.

    Posted 3 years ago on 05 Sep 2008 7:32 #
  6. thats the real issue...
    all political as well as religious parties are bogus.
    they all r opportunists.
    when they got bargaining position by virtue of public majority votes,they never bargain for public interests ...they use this position to bargain ministries, posts at big Govt set ups for thier respective party favorits and foreign trips .
    wethear its Fazlu or Zardari for that matter...

    sorry state of affairs.

    Posted 3 years ago on 05 Sep 2008 7:35 #
  7. GreatPak
    Members

    we as nation are rubbish bcoz we dont feel pain of our brothers and sisters,, they are getting killed bcoz their fault is they are pakisani ... we are rubbish nation really in majority ,, and i am sure if did not stand against these corrupt zardari party PPP ,MQM, Molana fazal ,ANP and any body who is supporting them,, if did not stand up then it will happen in whole pakistan and we wont be able to stand again bcoz we did not care of the deaths of our brothers and sisters,,
    wake up plz stand against them -- otherwise they just want to control the islaaamic aattommic powwer,, and they are also want that talban be strong in pakistan they can get chance to attack us,, it does not look far really ,, there planing is perfect ,, they removed mush bcoz he was not in use any more and they replaced him with zardari who is polictical but courrupt no 1 so all policies are same ,, our army is killing own people and also they come and attack and kill our pakistani brothers and sisters so the remaing alive what they can do just fight against it,, if you were on there place and your all family get killed by one night attack and what u gona think just to fight back and who is gona give you the plateform to fight back,, no solution ,, our nation is dying but we are sleeping and think we are safe ,, we deserve to suffer and the worst time is coming who are sitting and doing nothing and who support these corrupt zardari party and his alliance who just love to stay in power bcoz they are greedy and corrupt,, but how come we can forgive them and i know there are many people still who will vote them again and again ,, so what u can do if there are that stupid people ,, lets suffer my brothers and sisters and that time is not far when we will pay price of being pakistani and supporting the corrupt leaders on our own benifits ,,, as our brothers and sisters are suffering -- welcome to hell guys

    Posted 3 years ago on 06 Sep 2008 14:38 #
  8. expakistani
    Member

    Plz dont blame america for kiling in Angor Ada, we ( American ) will do every thing possible to save our brave men and women in Afghanistan. Pakistan must need to do more so people from trible belt stop crossing boarder. We have nothing to do with Zardari, Musharaf, Mulana Fazal or Altaf hussain they have strong roots in Pakistani people and they know better wts good for pakistan and what we want.

    Posted 3 years ago on 07 Sep 2008 19:12 #
  9. Justapakistani
    Member

    bro GreatPak u forget to include the NS, QAZI in ur list of corrupts ;)

    Posted 3 years ago on 07 Sep 2008 19:23 #
  10. GreatPak
    Members

    My brother justpakistani,, i can understand your point of view that NS and Qazi are corrupt but just tell me are there any leaders in the world who are not corrupt even in america and uk and in whole developed countries.. abviously they do corruption but even then they are sincere with country and they have invested their all money in pakistan,, so atleast they do something for country bcoz they know if there is no country then they cant earn money as well,,, but i hate those who just and just do corruption and do nothing for nation,, and they invest all money in oversease banks and buy palaces and houses in other countries,, so they have planned when pakistan is going to sink they can fly somewhere else but atleast these leaders like imran khan , nawaz sharif and Qazi know they cant sink this boad bocoz their everything depends on this boat..
    in india there are very corrupt politicians but atleast they invest money in india.. amitab bachan and shahrukh khan even dont have houses outside the country and there everything is in the country ,, they can betray their nation,,
    why and how come we can trust the leaders who never did anything for our country never and never so how come they got right just to come pakistan back to rule us thats all even their all chirdren dont live here they live oversease and study there and when they get chance they come to rule us and loot us ,, how come they can feel our pain as they never lived here ,,
    NS when he was in power atleast he did many good things for pakistan like motor way and many many roads in whole pakistan ,, atomicexplosionsss even against americaaann's will,, he stood for us ,,,, so he was removed ,,, atleast we should differenciate between wolf and dogs,,, dogs are loyal atleast they are always loyal to the place which give them food and rest... and care..
    what u think blair and bush never did any corruption they do but they are also loyal to their nation bcoz there nation give them tough time if they wont do for them ,, even went against the will of their nation but they provide them food and shelter so they dont care ,, corruption is everywhere but we need to find the people who are atleast nationalist ,,, plz we as educated people use our vote power as well bcoz eduacted people dont vote to anybody so these corrupt people,, lords and waderas and chaudaharies win elections from their estates where mazaras and poor people dont have knoweledge about anything ,, they dont have that sense what their vote can do ,, but as educated people we shoudl come forward now and vote sensibly to the people who are better for our country and atleast they are nationalist ,,, why PPP always got votes from rural areas waderas estates and why they cant win from big cities like islambad and lahore.. just we need to come farward and vote for right people so we can help our country for change otherwise they will keep playing with our country and our poor people will keep vote for PPP just on the name of Bhutto and ethenic slogans ,, We are jsut pakistan we are just one nation not sindhi punjabi balochi are pathan we are just pakistan

    Posted 3 years ago on 08 Sep 2008 1:03 #

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