sasherwani
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http://gulfnews.com/news/gulf/saudi-arabia/saudi-scholar-s-fatwa-wades-into-controversy-1.630494
Are these Saudi mullas really trying to help the Saudi nation or are these mullas just really frustrated and want to add colour to their dull un-social lives?
Seriously? A woman needs to breast-feed a guy just so he can socialize with her? Or else mixed-gatherings are haraam? What is this sorry excuse for a country (KSA) has come down to?
SufiSoul
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If west Passes some law it is always welcomed but if a muslim scholar issues a fatwa than every one would have the right to criticise it in many illogical ways...
The Fatwa is in no aspect against the rulings of Islam...
If some one would like to adopt it he is free if not than he will not be termed as Baghi...
This is a way if some one really needed can adopt it..
This situation is already present among muslims when non-relative having shared the milk becomes MAHRAM for a particular family.....
sasherwani
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You missed the point - COMPLETELY!
sasherwani
Members
fresh one~!
"Shaikh Abdul Karim Al Khudhair said in a statement on Sunday that sports are "corrupting" and "satanic" for women"
sasherwani
There are black sheep in every community,
u can't blame the whole community for that
sasherwani
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@ Psycho,
But you would definately agree with Shaikh Abdul Karim Al Khudhair wouldn't you? Since you too believe sports are evil and corrupt!!
i have my own mind
don't use ur guess work
by picking the black sheep what do u want to prove???
that islam and its scholar are bad
sasherwani it's not good for u
yahya
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SufiSoul
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Full reference of the fatwa is needed to comment on.
Fatwa is always giving over certain bases.Unless and untill those bases and complete text of any fatwa is not known commenting over is not fruitful here.......
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sasherwani
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@ Sufi,
What's there to reference on? Shaikh Abdul Karim Al Khudhair wants all types of sports to be banned for females in schools and colleges. Is this, in any reference, a logical fatwa? Your comments are appreciated.
@ Psycho,
You quite religiously spam all cricketing related threads by comments like 'cricket' is haraam, its the work of devil etc. I'm not using any 'guess-work' here. I have presented a latest fatwa here where a Saudi molvi wants to ban sports for females. Are you calling him a 'black sheep'? If so, why? Wouldn't you want Cricket banned from Pakistan too for all sexes ? :)
"""I have presented a latest fatwa here where a Saudi molvi wants to ban sports for females""""""
what u r talking and what he is talking
""""""Manama: A Saudi scholar has waded into controversy after he said that women could give their milk to men to establish a degree of maternal relations and get around a strict religious ban on mixing between unrelated men and women""""""""
and he is a Zionist.
Again what do u want to prove by picking him
that Islam and its scholar are bad
"Apnay deen ka mazaq na urao"
warna tumara mazaq ban jaye ga
What do u want to discuss. I have all answer for ur Modern Brainsomnia
sasherwani
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Your post is irrelevant.
I was refering to the sports related fatwa. Read again.
sasherwani
He is Zionist Muslim
a sheep in wolf's clothing,
i don't believe him,
bring some fatwa's from muslim's scholar
sasherwani
Members
Well the sheep says sports should be banned for females. What is your take on it? Do keep in mind you have declared cricket devil's work several times.
TRY to answer the question this time :)
NNL
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Sasherwani >> the fatwa is logical for the people of Kingdom of Saudia. Do some background research into it in Riyadh and Jeddah you might understand why this fatwa was given. The issue may not be understood by you as you dont consider intermingling of sexes to anything bad, for them its a different perspective.
Psycho >> if you dont know about the bull then stop speaking about the crap of the bull. Its a whole better if you keep your trap shut regarding this matter for you have no idea who you are talking about.
NNL
"""""""""""""""the fatwa is logical for the people of Kingdom of Saudia."""""""""""""""""""""
I am not expecting u such a remark, Islam doesn't belong to Riyad and Jiddah.
and muslim's holly places are
Makkah and Madina not Riyadh and Jiddah
and do u know what really is fatwa is
by breaking All the Laws of Islam
He is Zionist,
Now read it and conclude, how shameful it is
"""""""""""""''Half of Saudi Arabia is trying slowly, but desperately, to grow up and join the rest of the modern world, while the other half wants to remain firmly stuck in the dark ages. Most of the clerics, with the exception of a few, belong to the latter half. Shaikh Abdul Mohsin Al Abaican is one of those clerics. He happens to be a consultant to the Saudi King’s court, and he just issued one of those laughable fatwas that Saudi Arabia and other religiously conservative countries are so good at producing. It has to do with the Kingdom’s mandate that men and women who are unrelated are not allowed to mingle. So this ’scholar’ has devised a plan to circumvent that religious law by declaring
... that women could give their milk to men to establish a degree of maternal relations and get around a strict religious ban on mixing between unrelated men and women.
[snip]
a man who often entered a house and came in contact with the womenfolk there should be made symbolically related to the women by drinking milk from one of the women.
Of course, there should be no actual physical contact with the woman.
Under the fatwa, the act would preclude any sexual relations between the man and the donor woman and her relatives.
However, Al Abaican said that the donor woman should not breastfeed the man directly.
“The man should take the milk, but not directly from the breast of the woman,” Al Abaican said. “He should drink it and then becomes a relative of the family, a fact that allows him to come in contact with the women without breaking Islam’s rules about mixing,” he said, quoted by Kuwaiti and Saudi media on Saturday.
So, how is this supposed to work- the woman uses a breast pump and then shares her milk with him? And what about women who aren’t lactating? The whole idea is just bizarre, creepy. Wouldn’t it just be simpler, and a lot more palatable to just change those non-mingling laws? I guess some prefer the whole sharing a breast with an adult male which I find obscene.
And he’s not the first to issue that kind of religious decree. I remember back in 2007 an Egyptian cleric came out with a similar type of fatwa:
Exactly three years ago, on May 22, 2007, an Egyptian scholar was disciplined by Al Azhar University, one of Islam’s most prestigious institutions, after he issued a fatwa calling upon women to breastfeed their male colleagues.
Dr Izzat Attiyah said that his fatwa offered a way around mixing of the sexes in the work place since breast-feeding established a maternal relation even if the beneficiary was not the woman’s biological son or daughter.
Attiyah’s fatwa was not received well by other scholars, some claiming it defamed Islam, so he wound up retracting it. The same thing will probably happen in this case as well, as it has already caused an uproar.
Al Abaican’s fatwa was immediately rejected by bloggers as “a decision that is totally unrelated to reality at a time when people are thinking about bold and new space discoveries.”
Many wrote that there was no reason for the fatwa to be issued and that scholars should focus instead on “much more significant issues.”
I’m not really sure some of these clerics actually think these things out before they open their mouths, or are too ignorant to realize what they are saying is shear stupidity. A symbolic sharing of the milk means nothing in the real world, they are still not related. Just change the darn laws and be done with it. Telling a woman to breastfeed a man so she can ‘mingle’ is just disgusting.
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hkbajwa
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I read about this story some time ago. The cleric who originally issued the breastfeeding fatwa was subsequently expelled from the Al Azhar University.
It just goes to show you that the mullahs have essentially painted themselves into a corner. Since previous fatwas on the interaction of the sexes are now showing themselves to be irrelevant and completely impracticable and without consideration for current times, the mullahs need to find some alternative.
Instead of admitting that previous islamic jurisprudence requires review and updating, they instead add another layer of complexity (stupidity) to the whole issue.
Instead of admitting that previous islamic jurisprudence requires review and updating, they instead add another layer of complexity (stupidity) to the whole issue.
That would be the jewish theology/gene working its way in the thinking/body of mullah.
little knowledge, talking too much,blaming mulla is not a way to success
Islam requires complete obedience to all rules for a successfull society.
believing few, leaving some,choosing selfishly is not islam but it is HYPOCRISY
This thread:
http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/saudi-clerics-advocate-adult-breast-feeding
Being a duplicate has been merged here:
zia m
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June 5) -- Women in Saudi Arabia should give their breast milk to male colleagues and acquaintances in order to avoid breaking strict Islamic law forbidding mixing between the sexes, two powerful Saudi clerics have said. They are at odds, however, over precisely how the milk should be conveyed
http://www.aolnews.com/world/article/saudi-clerics-advocate-adult-breast-feeding/19504280
Posted 6 hours ago on 05 Jun 2010 1:56
zia m
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Saudi scholar's fatwa wades into controversy
http://gulfnews.com/news/gulf/saudi-arabia/saudi-scholar-s-fatwa-wades-into-controversy-1.630494
Posted 6 hours ago on 05 Jun 2010 1:59
SufiSoul
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Manipulating the facts into own wishes is not good way of presentation.
I think you lost the topics to come up with and again posting here the same topic you posted some days bfore in faith & religion topic...
I can understand ur frustration....
http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/another-fatwa
Posted 6 hours ago on 05 Jun 2010 2:05
zia m
Member
Bad mouthing Sufis, Shia, and Ahmedis is kosher for you, but real news is manipulation.Get your head straight!
Posted 5 hours ago on 05 Jun 2010 2:59
expakistani
Member
hummm kind of funny fatwa
worst part is....
"The man (who come into regular contact with women who aren't related to them)should take the milk, but not directly from the breast of the woman,"
es fatwa ka koi fida nih howa.... need ijthad and modification here
(:
Posted 3 hours ago on 05 Jun 2010 4:33
NNL
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I dont know why ppl are so focused on this fatwa. Its really not that difficult to understand. If you want intermingle with the other sex who arent mahram make them your mothers or breast-fed relative and you there you go.
IF you were to understand Quraish sarcasm then you might be able to understand what the scholar said.
Posted 3 hours ago on 05 Jun 2010 4:40
Hussain Farooqui
Member
Very interesting fatwa! All the male colleagues will become the Radai sons of the female office colleagues. Those women may then take a very motherly care of the male office colleagues.
Posted 2 hours ago on 05 Jun 2010 6:10
hariskhan
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Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
They are crossing limits, boundaries set by ALLAH ALMIGHTY, by ALLAH ALMIGHTY's last Messenger Muhammad (SAW).
They need to re-read books on downfall of civilizations, nations, countries. Those civilizations that are about to die, its people engage in such activities. We have seen this all throughout history of mankind.
Posted 26 minutes ago on 05 Jun 2010 8:05
nota
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@SufiSoul
Wow! Not just zia m's (and sasherwani's) frustration but desperation. And I remember this 'fatwa' from three years earlier, as the story itself mentions. He I think is running away from the spanking in that other thread:
"Wow...heat is really too much for you to bear, so why not get out of the kitchen!"
Of course zia m thinks he has nothing else to defend "Sufis, Shia, and Ahmedis" so he is going to do it by attack Saudis -- childish tactic I must add ("But mom, he did it too!")
;-)
BTW: Didi I miss an attack on Shias as zia m seems to imply?
Posted 9 minutes ago on 05 Jun 2010 8:23
zia m
Member
""BTW: Didi I miss an attack on Shias as zia m seems to imply?""
Posted 9 minutes ago on 05 Jun 2010 8:23
I thought you had comprehension problem but seems like you do have ADHD;
Please read the thread by sufi and tell me if it mentions shia.
here it is right from the horse's mouth (no pun intended)
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What NEXT we can expect as Propaganda war against Muslims???
The above were used in Past against Muslims by dividing them as SUfis,Qadyanis,Shia etc"""
The present time demands a new World Order achievable through a Global Alliance of Jews, Christians and Muslims who need to get their vision adjusted to the logic of events as they have unfolded in the beginning of the 21st century. If, thus, the believers correct their course to pursue such values as conform with God’s universal plan, design and order, they will be rewarded with world leadership.
Otherwise, Nature will, for the correction of course, permit the evil to gather momentum and rush with fury to a WAR ON THE BELIEVERS who will suffer substantial loss before reuniting to once again play a role on the world stage.
http://www.maemaar.org.pk/letters/international/barack-obama1.asp
sasherwani
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Power to the Saudi women!!
http://gulfnews.com/news/gulf/saudi-arabia/saudi-women-use-fatwa-in-driving-bid-1.643431
I hope they finally get atleast 'one' of their due rights i.e. driving!
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