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Attack in Iran: What are the links to Pakistan?By Myra Mcdonald

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  1. A week after suspected Sunni Islamist insurgents attacked the headquarters of the Pakistan Army, a suicide bomber killed six senior Revolutionary Guards commanders and 25 other people in Shi’ite Iran in one of the deadliest attacks in years on the country’s most powerful military institution.
    Jundollah has been linked in some reports to the Lashkar-e-Jhangvi, an anti-Shia sectarian group based in Pakistan’s Punjab province, and to the Pakistani Taliban, or Tehrik-e-Taliban (TTP), based in Pakistan’s tribal areas bordering Afghanistan. Both the Lashkar-e-Jhangvi and the TTP are believed to have close ties to al Qaeda, and are suspected of involvement in the attack on the headquarters of the Pakistan Army.
    http://blogs.reuters.com/pakistan/2009/10/18/attack-in-iran-what-are-the-links-to-pakistan/
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    Myra i guess you are confuse let me show you who is funding anti Iranian Jundullah terrorists group.
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    ABC News Exclusive: The Secret War Against Iran

    A Pakistani tribal militant group responsible for a series of deadly guerrilla raids inside Iran has been secretly encouraged and advised by American officials since 2005, U.S. and Pakistani intelligence sources tell ABC News.

    The group, called Jundullah, is made up of members of the Baluchi tribe and operates out of the Baluchistan province in Pakistan, just across the border from Iran.

    It has taken responsibility for the deaths and kidnappings of more than a dozen Iranian soldiers and officials.

    U.S. officials say the U.S. relationship with Jundullah is arranged so that the U.S. provides no funding to the group, which would require an official presidential order or "finding" as well as congressional oversight.

    Tribal sources tell ABC News that money for Jundullah is funneled to its youthful leader, Abd el Malik Regi, through Iranian exiles who have connections with European and Gulf states.

    Jundullah has produced its own videos showing Iranian soldiers and border guards it says it has captured and brought back to Pakistan.

    The leader, Regi, claims to have personally executed some of the Iranians.

    "He used to fight with the Taliban. He's part drug smuggler, part Taliban, part Sunni activist," said Alexis Debat, a senior fellow on counterterrorism at the Nixon Center and an ABC News consultant who recently met with Pakistani officials and tribal members.

    "Regi is essentially commanding a force of several hundred guerrilla fighters that stage attacks across the border into Iran on Iranian military officers, Iranian intelligence officers, kidnapping them, executing them on camera," Debat said.

    Most recently, Jundullah took credit for an attack in February that killed at least 11 members of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard riding on a bus in the Iranian city of Zahedan.

    Last month, Iranian state television broadcast what it said were confessions by those responsible for the bus attack.

    They reportedly admitted to being members of Jundullah and said they had been trained for the mission at a secret location in Pakistan.

    The Iranian TV broadcast is interspersed with the logo of the CIA, which the broadcast blamed for the plot.

    A CIA spokesperson said "the account of alleged CIA action is false" and reiterated that the U.S. provides no funding of the Jundullah group.

    Pakistani government sources say the secret campaign against Iran by Jundullah was on the agenda when Vice President **** Cheney met with Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf in February.

    A senior U.S. government official said groups such as Jundullah have been helpful in tracking al Qaeda figures and that it was appropriate for the U.S. to deal with such groups in that context.

    Some former CIA officers say the arrangement is reminiscent of how the U.S. government used proxy armies, funded by other countries including Saudi Arabia, to destabilize the government of Nicaragua in the 1980s.

    http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2007/04/abc_news_exclus.html

    Don't miss to read coments below this investigation report

    Posted 2 years ago on 22 Oct 2009 6:54 #
  2. netengr
    blocked

    All countries including Islamic countries blaming pakistan ...why ?
    becasue Pakistan have been promoting terrorism .before 9/11 that was government policy ,after 9/11 these groups become monsters and not in control of pakistan government .

    As nation we have to accept this reality and fight with this evil ideology and eliminate these militancy .

    Posted 2 years ago on 22 Oct 2009 8:05 #
  3. Migel9
    Member

    As a nation we need to fight BLACK WATER TERRORIST RAW HINDUSTANI LOCAL AGENTS IN KARACHI WHO WORKING WITH MQM.

    We need to fight this zionist ideology coming from usa and uk.USA this alone sold 38 billion dollars worth of weapons to the poor brwon and black people so they can kill each other for white jesus of UK USA.OOOOOOFFF TOAB ZALIMM

    Posted 2 years ago on 22 Oct 2009 18:26 #
  4. jay_sriv
    Member

    Migel pls wake up and stop spreading rumors.. This is not Zaid Hamid and Ahmhed Quraishi forum. Behave responsible

    Posted 2 years ago on 22 Oct 2009 18:33 #
  5. Ghareeb
    Old-chechen

    Rumors?

    If Indian Navy does joint exercises with US criminals, why you think Blackwater will not cooperate with Indian agents.

    Joint Indo-US naval exercise off Goa coast
    SANJAY BANERJEE,
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    ON BOARD INS MYSORE (Mormugao): Indo-US joint naval exercises off Goa coast from Tuesday to Saturday will essay a statement of friendship to take on
    terrorism when guns boom, the high-speed Sea Harriers crack past and the missiles fired.

    The two navies will also engage in work up involving nuclear and conventional submarines besides various missions including a mock battle on the high seas

    Posted 2 years ago on 22 Oct 2009 18:41 #
  6. NNL
    member

    Ah another hindu lives amongst us.

    Posted 2 years ago on 22 Oct 2009 18:44 #
  7. jay_sriv
    Member

    Does it a problem if some hindu is active among you? Cant you handle other people thought? Blackwater cooperate with Indian agents: Nice far fetched idea. I guess you are not following the intellectual debate on TV. Instead of supporting vague theory talk some thing constructive.

    Posted 2 years ago on 22 Oct 2009 18:51 #
  8. Migel9
    Member

    We have hindus among us seree davi..relax they are good ones, they are against urine drinking and cow worship.RAM RAM SEETA RAM..

    Psuedo discussions on TV??Really indian or pakistanis seree davi??

    Posted 2 years ago on 22 Oct 2009 19:00 #
  9. jay_sriv
    Member

    Ha HA there is no result talking to some one that have half knowledge. Enjoy ur mental level. Bottom line is your life depends on what kind of decision you make.

    Posted 2 years ago on 22 Oct 2009 19:09 #
  10. Migel9
    Member

    Lol..Seeree no davi..come on my hindu neighbor let us go and watch a Bollywood movie..And feel good, we all look white in the indian movies..

    Posted 2 years ago on 22 Oct 2009 19:17 #
  11. @ netengr

    'Pakistan have been promoting terrorism .before 9/11 that was government policy'

    you always demand source of news
    plz enlighten me how Pakistan have been promoting terrorism and let me know the source of your information

    Posted 2 years ago on 23 Oct 2009 4:38 #
  12. NNL
    member

    @Jay i dont have issues with a Hindu cos he can be a Pakistani. Since the partition many hindus chose to live in Pakistan and so far they havent been brutally decapitated socially, economically and physically like the Brahmin Hindus of India have done to their minorities.

    So its not that we have a problem with a Hindu amongst us. Its the point that bloody rat of an Indian Hindu is amongst us trying to spread an ideology which is the very basis of the partition.

    Dont quote me Jinnah or anyone cos i think you should rather more be worried about your Maoist insurgency instead of Pakistan. But you being present here and making such hoopla over the situation in Pakistan its seems that you have a very deep vested interest in the destabilization of Pakistan.

    Our highest court has released the biggest person you are after and you cant bi-tch about it cos there was an intense lawyer movement and the judiciary is free now.

    You none of us have ever actually thought that the Talibans which are in the Axis of Evil arent even resisting in those areas where the original Taliban existed. TTP a band of terrorists had started the issue in Swat ? why not the place where there was an actual drone attack going on.

    According to the US report Mullah Umer is giving assurances that Taliban have no interest in disrupting the peace of any other country. It gives a huge indication that TTP arent from Taliban and their lineage.

    So who are these ****. ?

    So yes when scum of the earth Indian Hindu comes into a Pakistani forum it does cause a lot of thinking that why an outsider is so much interested in Pakistan.

    Posted 2 years ago on 23 Oct 2009 4:42 #
  13. CIA is taking advantage of US and india's proxy war against Pakistan. American well known news agency ABCnews accepted that CIA is funding Jundullah terrorist group since 2005 against Iran.

    Posted 2 years ago on 23 Oct 2009 6:18 #
  14. netengr
    blocked

    Jundullah is a religious Jihadi group ,how this can become CIA agent now ? .Jandullah has attacked Pervez Mushrraf ...why ? according to Political mullas Pervez musharraf is also a CIA agent .which means CIA Agent Jundullah Attacked on CIA agent .

    Posted 2 years ago on 23 Oct 2009 13:56 #
  15. msohail83
    Member

    @netengr
    Shah se ziada shah ka wafadar!!

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    American intelligence has also had contact with Jundallah. But that contact, as Iran almost certainly knows, was confined to intelligence-gathering on the country; a relationship with Jundallah was never formalized, and contact was sporadic. I've been told that the Bush Administration at one point considered Jundallah as a piece in a covert-action campaign against Iran, but the idea was quickly dropped because Jundallah was judged uncontrollable and too close to al-Qaeda. There was no way to be certain that Jundallah would not throw the bombs we paid for back at us.

    http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1931402,00.html

    Posted 2 years ago on 23 Oct 2009 14:06 #
  16. jay_sriv
    Member

    "So yes when scum of the earth Indian Hindu comes into a Pakistani forum it does cause a lot of thinking that why an outsider is so much interested in Pakistan."

    Its very easy to understand. Pakistan is a threat to modern civilization. Thats the idea with which people are living around the Globe. But is it true? I dont think so... And its clearly seen when you talk to Pakistani people. Every where people want to earn and enjoy. No one is interested in creating an empire. But some people do feel insecure so they talk like you do. Hindu Brahmin did this and that. But after that also there are many rich muslim in India and enjoying there life. Do you seriously want to compare Indian and Pakistani society? But what good that bring. Currently you can see the day to day reality. Is there any thing to argue? Own will or by pressure, in any case Pakistan has to clean the mess... That is the bottom line.

    Posted 2 years ago on 23 Oct 2009 15:35 #
  17. @ Jundullah is a religious jihadi group and jundhullah has attaked musharaf...lolzz

    What is your source of information because i am not fan of rumours. this is not Zeetv , or india samachar. here you should talk with evidence

    Balauchi's made up Jundullah organisation because they want to protect balauchi's wrights both side of the borders. when conection between CIA and jundullah established jundullah become voilent millitant group against Iran. as CIA always looking for bad guys in their targeted region.

    Posted 2 years ago on 23 Oct 2009 18:04 #
  18. @ Pakistan is threat to modern society

    Where is the modern society? indian army killed more than 100,000 kashmiris childern, young and old and raped thousands of kashmiris women in india occupied kashmir. Kashmiris are facing Indian army terrorism since 1948. Gujrati muslims massacred by the indian society elected CM Narindra modi.what is the definition of modern society in your dictionary.

    Posted 2 years ago on 23 Oct 2009 18:21 #
  19. jay_sriv
    Member

    @iamsowise:
    Its definately not what we are seeing in current pakistan. And dont provoke me talk about the minorities in Pak. What development Pak has done in POK. Lets not discuss those things in this thread.

    Posted 2 years ago on 23 Oct 2009 18:59 #
  20. Currently we are facing terrorism from our western borders everyone know who is behind this terrorism. Not only minorites but all Pakistanis are efected by this proxy war.
    Pak admin Kashmiri's are enjoying freedom.

    I just show you a mirror because you are not as clean as you think

    Posted 2 years ago on 24 Oct 2009 8:33 #
  21. Iran was our friend. Not any more as this is common knowledge since some years from now on when Iran was playing INNOCENT while the Shia and Sunnis in Pakistan were at each other's throat.
    Recent news about Iranian Uranium enrichment related developments with US should open our eyes.
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    @Jay
    What development Pak has done in POK.

    What ever developments you have done in IOK had been a political failure. Tourism the main industry for Kashmiris is still in shambles reduced to a virtual standstill.

    We don't have to station 700,000 strong army in Azad Kashmir, as they are a free nation. This is Pakistan's development and contribution towards people of Azad Kashmir who do not face a forced existence under suppressive Indian occupation.
    Just have a look at the number of Pakistani flags raised on 14th August each year, in the Indian Occupied Kashmir. A true effect of what your development has had till now should be truly evident from this single show of solidarity!

    Posted 2 years ago on 24 Oct 2009 11:02 #
  22. NNL
    member

    Jay

    Do you hold the same opinion about the atrocities of your Govt on Dalits and Maoists and Tamil of the South ? or even the Muslims ?

    Posted 2 years ago on 24 Oct 2009 20:02 #
  23. CIA ka naya Shosha.:)

    A series of CIA memos describes how Israeli Mossad agents posed as American spies to recruit members of the terrorist organization Jundallah to fight their covert war against Iran
    BY MARK PERRY JANUARY 13, 2012 Foreignpolicy

    Buried deep in the archives of America's intelligence services are a series of memos, written during the last years of President George W. Bush's administration, that describe how Israeli Mossad officers recruited operatives belonging to the terrorist group Jundallah by passing themselves off as American agents. According to two U.S. intelligence officials, the Israelis, flush with American dollars and toting U.S. passports, posed as CIA officers in recruiting Jundallah operatives -- what is commonly referred to as a "false flag" operation.

    The memos, as described by the sources, one of whom has read them and another who is intimately familiar with the case, investigated and debunked reports from 2007 and 2008 accusing the CIA, at the direction of the White House, of covertly supporting Jundallah -- a Pakistan-based Sunni extremist organization. Jundallah, according tothe U.S. government and published reports, is responsible for assassinating Iranian government officials and killing Iranian women and children.

    But while the memos show that the United States had barred even the most incidental contact with Jundallah, according to both intelligence officers, the same was not true for Israel's Mossad. The memos also detail CIA field reports saying that Israel's recruiting activities occurred under the nose of U.S. intelligence officers, most notably in London, the capital of one of Israel's ostensible allies, where Mossad officers posing as CIA operatives met with Jundallah officials.

    The officials did not know whether the Israeli program to recruit and use Jundallah is ongoing. Nevertheless, they were stunned by the brazenness of the Mossad's efforts.

    "It's amazing what the Israelis thought they could get away with," the intelligence officer said. "Their recruitment activities were nearly in the open. They apparently didn't give a damn what we thought."

    Interviews with six currently serving or recently retired intelligence officers over the last 18 months have helped to fill in the blanks of the Israeli false-flag operation. In addition to the two currently serving U.S. intelligence officers, the existence of the Israeli false-flag operation was confirmed to me by four retired intelligence officers who have served in the CIA or have monitored Israel intelligence operations from senior positions inside the U.S. government.

    The CIA and the White House were both asked for comment on this story. By the time this story went to press, they had not responded. The Israeli intelligence services -- the Mossad -- was also contacted, in writing and by telephone, but failed to respond. As a policy, Israel does not confirm or deny its involvement in intelligence operations.

    There is no denying that there is a covert, bloody, and ongoing campaign aimed at stopping Iran's nuclear program, though no evidence has emerged connecting recent acts of sabotage and killings inside Iran to Jundallah.

    Many reports have cited Israel as the architect of this covert campaign, which claimed its latest victim on Jan. 11 when a motorcyclist in Tehran slipped a magnetic explosive device under the car of Mostafa Ahmadi Roshan, a young Iranian nuclear scientist. The explosion killed Roshan, making him the fourth scientist assassinated in the past two years. The United States adamantly denies it is behind these killings.

    According to one retired CIA officer, information about the false-flag operation was reported up the U.S. intelligence chain of command. It reached CIA Director of Operations Stephen Kappes, his deputy Michael Sulick, and the head of the Counterintelligence Center. All three of these officials are now retired. The Counterintelligence Center, according to its website, is tasked with investigating "threats posed by foreign intelligence services."

    The report then made its way to the White House, according to the currently serving U.S. intelligence officer. The officer said that Bush "went absolutely ballistic" when briefed on its contents.

    "The report sparked White House concerns that Israel's program was putting Americans at risk," the intelligence officer told me. "There's no question that the U.S. has cooperated with Israel in intelligence-gathering operations against the Iranians, but this was different. No matter what anyone thinks, we're not in the business of assassinating Iranian officials or killing Iranian civilians."

    Israel's relationship with Jundallah continued to roil the Bush administration until the day it left office, this same intelligence officer noted. Israel's activities jeopardized the administration's fragile relationship with Pakistan, which was coming under intense pressure from Iran to crack down on Jundallah. It also undermined U.S. claims that it would never fight terror with terror, and invited attacks in kind on U.S. personnel.

    "It's easy to understand why Bush was so angry," a former intelligence officer said. "After all, it's hard to engage with a foreign government if they're convinced you're killing their people. Once you start doing that, they feel they can do the same."

    A senior administration official vowed to "take the gloves off" with Israel, according to a U.S. intelligence officer. But the United States did nothing -- a result that the officer attributed to "political and bureaucratic inertia."

    "In the end," the officer noted, "it was just easier to do nothing than to, you know, rock the boat." Even so, at least for a short time, this same officer noted, the Mossad operation sparked a divisive debate among Bush's national security team, pitting those who wondered "just whose side these guys [in Israel] are on" against those who argued that "the enemy of my enemy is my friend."

    The debate over Jundallah was resolved only after Bush left office when, within his first weeks as president, Barack Obama drastically scaled back joint U.S-Israel intelligence programs targeting Iran, according to multiple serving and retired officers.

    The decision was controversial inside the CIA, where officials were forced to shut down "some key intelligence gathering operations," a recently retired CIA officer confirmed. This action was followed in November 2010 by the State Department's addition of Jundallah to its list of foreign terrorist organizations -- a decision that one former CIA officer called "an absolute no-brainer."

    Since Obama's initial order, U.S. intelligence services have received clearance to cooperate with Israel in a number of classified intelligence-gathering operations focused on Iran's nuclear program, according to a currently serving officer. These operations are highly technical in nature, and do not involve covert actions targeting Iran's infrastructure or political or military leadership.

    "We don't do bang and boom," a recently retired intelligence officer said. "And we don't do political assassinations."

    Israel regularly proposes conducting covert operations targeting Iranians, but are just as regularly shut down, according to retired and current intelligence officers. "They come into the room and spread out their plans and we just shake our heads," one highly placed intelligence source said, "and we say to them -- ?Don't even go there. The answer is no.'"

    Unlike the Mujahedin-e Khalq, the controversial exiled Iranian terrorist group that seeks the overthrow of the Tehran regime and is supported by former leading U.S. policymakers, Jundallah is relatively unknown -- but just as violent. In May 2009, a Jundallah suicide bomber blew himself up inside a mosque in Zahedan, the capital of Iran's southeastern Sistan-Balochistan province bordering Pakistan, during a Shiite religious festival. The bombing killed 25 Iranians and wounded scores of others.

    The attack enraged Tehran, which traced the perpetrators to a cell operating in Pakistan. The Iranian government notified the Pakistanis of the Jundallah threat and urged them to break up the movement's bases along the Iranian-Pakistani border. The Pakistanis reacted sluggishly in the border areas, feeding Tehran's suspicions that Jundallah was protected by Pakistan's intelligence services.
    http://hamsayeh.net/world/1501-mossad-posed-as-cia-to-recruit-jundullah-.html

    Posted 4 months ago on 15 Jan 2012 3:16 #
  24. Are we victims of false flag terrorism too?
    http://www.express.com.pk/epaper/PoPupwindow.aspx?newsID=1101426873&Issue=NP_LHE&Date=20120116

    Posted 4 months ago on 16 Jan 2012 3:02 #
  25. Hussain Farooqui
    Member

    Yes, Pakistani government during Zia's regime prepared hatcheries for terrorists, but blaming Pakistani government as the only hatchery of terrorists in unjustified. Iran, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Afghanistan, UAE, Libya are not left behind in this race of hatching terrorists.

    Posted 4 months ago on 16 Jan 2012 5:49 #
  26. @but blaming Pakistani government as the only hatchery of terrorists in unjustified. Iran, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Afghanistan, UAE, Libya are not left behind in this race of hatching terrorists.

    HF you forgot to mention these real terrorists trainers.

    watch this investigative video
    America’s Secret War With Iran: Vanguard
    http://www.clownjazeera.com/americas-secret-war-with-iran-vanguard/

    Posted 4 months ago on 16 Jan 2012 10:57 #

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