For long, many Pakistanis have wondered just how do certain Pakistani media men and religious leaders who have turned the obsessive act of badmouthing the US, Jews and liberals into a robust cottage industry, manage to travel so frequently to the US. Well, it seems the days of curiosity in this respect may be coming to an end. According to a front-page story in Dawn last Friday, four US Congressmen have asked Secretary of State, Hilary Clinton, to refuse visas to those Pakistanis who are on record praising the killer of former Governor of Punjab, Salmaan Taseer.
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yahya
MemberPosted 1 year ago on 31 Jan 2011 2:13 # -
expakistani
Memberhow can i put some of my relatives who are really haramkhoor Government officer in this list ???
Posted 1 year ago on 31 Jan 2011 2:36 # -
toamin
memberچالیس سال بیت گئے لیکن قادیانیوں کی سوئی ادھر کی ادھر اٹکی ہوئی ہے کہ بس کسی طرح مذہبی طبقے سے خارج السلام کروانے کا بدلہ چکایا جا سکے
نجانے کب اس نادان دھرم کے پجاریوں کو سمجھ آیے گی
Posted 1 year ago on 31 Jan 2011 3:44 # -
expakistani
Member@Salam bhai....
what Qadyanies have to do with this???? thora sa explain karoPosted 1 year ago on 31 Jan 2011 4:39 # -
Apart from Taseer incident, are there any US government groups or think tank who realize that these "Pious Bareesh Leaders" are realities and they have to deal with them in some constructive manners at some point in history?
Yahya Jee, forgive my ignorance but what is the connotation of bananas to the topic under discussion? Any story behind it?
Posted 1 year ago on 31 Jan 2011 4:44 # -
toamin
memberاکس پاکستانی بھائی
سب مضامین میں ہدف تنقید علمادین کا ہونا ایک ایک قدر مشترق ہے
فدوی اسی کی نشاندہی کرنے کی کوشش کر رہا ہے
امید ہے کے آپ غور فرمائیں گے
شکریہ
Posted 1 year ago on 31 Jan 2011 5:51 # -
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
Bloomberg News: U.S. Is Bankrupt and We Don’t Even Know It: Laurence Kotlikoff
By Laurence Kotlikoff
Wed Aug 11 01:00:00 GMT 2010
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Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
Mr. Nadeem F Paracha has gone nuts in that he still thinks the debter nation called USA and its people are still the "standard", the "example" of "making progress".
Does he even have an idea of how much debt USA and its people are living under ?
Its high time the intelligent, educated people among Pakistanis' stop giving Mr. Nadeem F Paracha their attention. He and his writings don't deserve it.
Posted 1 year ago on 31 Jan 2011 7:26 # -
saqib55
MemberThe US is still one of the the richest nations on the planet and also the leading world manufacturer (but China is catching up). In fact, when it comes to high tech equipment like the factory robots and machinery that make other products, the US is leading the pack.
Even in the US's recession, it still has more wealth that most other countries combined. The debt is indeed a problem, but is just one single factor in the health of an economy. The US still has a lot more wealth then people realize.
Posted 1 year ago on 31 Jan 2011 7:40 # -
toamin
member"The US is still one of the the richest nations on the planet"
agreed, as long as paper printing machines are printing paper, no one can compete with that paper stack, printers will always have more printed volume
that does not make one rich, it is the ability to control/manage world affairs that gives the power, not paper printers-
Posted 1 year ago on 31 Jan 2011 7:44 # -
saqib55
MemberEven without paper money, the US still have enough natural resources, including even oil, and manufacturing capacity to be one of the richest in the world. The US defence budget alone is bigger the most countries combined.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_and_federations_by_military_expenditures
Posted 1 year ago on 31 Jan 2011 7:47 # -
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
@saqib55: How can a country be rich when it;
(1) has massive debts (it owes to offshore bankers)
(2) has no money, in that all or most all of the money circulating in their economy is "debt" money that has nothing of value behind it?
They have to pay back this debt with! interest, which was also never created in the first place. When they pay back this debt money + interest, "at that time" they'll have ZERO money left in USA.
Posted 1 year ago on 31 Jan 2011 8:01 # -
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
@saqib55: Muslims can also create all the money in the world, just like USA. We even have natural resources to back our currency with, as collateral, as something of value.
What Muslims don't do is to "bribe" others with it. People in USA bribe others with their money all the time. In-fact bribing others with their money is mostly what they'v done all throughout the previous century, be it in the shape of;
(1) offering higher salaries to people in foreign countries
(2) financing political campaigns of criminals within our land
(3) financing/coordinating colour/labeled revolutions in multiple states
(4) bribing local administration officials in other nation states to throw away interests of local people (their own people) and in contrast safeguard interests of USA within their lands
(5) etc etcThat's the difference between us and them. Otherwise, we also have "printing presses" in Pakistan, as well as most all other nation states in the world.
Pakistan can create all the money to finance all the military budgets, all the projects of development it wants to. Have you ever pondered on "why we never do that", why Pakistan has never done so since it was created ?
Posted 1 year ago on 31 Jan 2011 8:07 # -
toamin
memberثاقب
یہ صرف ایک ڈھکوسلہ اور مغلوب سوچ کا نمونہ ہے
حقیقت میں تو امریکہ ایک دن بہ دن کمزور ہوتی ہوئی ریاست ہے
آج اگر ان کا ڈالر تیل سے لاتعلق کر دیا جاۓ تو وہ بھوکوں مر جاۓ
Posted 1 year ago on 31 Jan 2011 8:42 # -
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
@saqib55: Haven't you been watching "Keiser Report" ? Its aired on RussiaToday channel. Its available on youtube.
I'v been posting it regularly on this forum/community, for the benefit of people, so people can improve their knowledge about what is happening with money, with different markets all around the world.
Posted 1 year ago on 31 Jan 2011 8:50 # -
saqib55
Memberharis khan, just printing money like you think pakistan could do would simply increase inflation. Please look up basic economics before making such comments. If you think printing money is as simple as that, why wouldn't the US print more money to pay off its debt?
America has a large domestic market which consumes not only the US manufactured goods, but needs to rely on China to meet all demands. We can dream big all we want, but right now the US is far far away from getting poor.
Posted 1 year ago on 31 Jan 2011 8:53 # -
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
@saqib55: (1) We have never started, and US has reached a point in continuing to print money, where it can't afford to do so any longer
(2) Inflation is ok, human beings accept it, as a natural part of life, as long as you couple it with "productivity" to pay it off with, in the short/long term
Just don't run away with it. Just don't allow it be in the hands of those who are going to make a mess of it.
(3) We have an equally large local economy right here;
(a) Pakistan (180m) + Afghanistan (25m) + Iran (74m) = 279 million people of a local economy
(b) Add Turkey (77m) to the list and you get 356 million people
I'd say that's a bigger local economy than USA, right here. And I haven't even added the Arabs and other African Muslims yet.
What you have to make sure of, is to;
(i) "balance" consumption with production
(ii) "make sure" local people get premium quality education
(iii) "make sure" there is rule of law
(iv) "make sure" the word of traders carry meaning when conducting trade, not only locally but also internationally
(v) etc etcIn other words, which means you have to live a healthy, productive life, making "constructive" decisions, taking "constructive" actions, which will include "accepting" killing off of criminals who are hell bent on destroying your local economy from its root, of-course.
Posted 1 year ago on 31 Jan 2011 8:56 # -
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
@saqib55: USA already is poor.
You need to look at the facts, rather than the rhetoric.
Posted 1 year ago on 31 Jan 2011 9:05 # -
toamin
membersaqib
yes, if money printed alone then it would lead to inflation, but you need to educate yourself more on international relations, Oil is tied to dollar which proves to be the sole backing, plus many banks use dollar as Forex currency and have their currencies backed by dollar.. so please get out of dollar illusions and see the reality beyond cobweb
Posted 1 year ago on 31 Jan 2011 9:26 # -
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
@saqib55: If illiterate people, college/university dropouts can run Computer/IT industry in USA, think of the businesses uneducated people/Muslims of Pakistan and other Muslim nation states can run.
Posted 1 year ago on 31 Jan 2011 9:27 # -
yahya
Member@Azizi: Bananas = crazy
Posted 1 year ago on 31 Jan 2011 11:03 # -
@ azizi..
People like saqib55 go "bananas" when they get cornered n they run out of logics...
@Salam
Yaar, aap kiss ko dollar or oil ka relationship samja rahey hain... They don't know the basics of international relationships and the way world economy works... lolPosted 1 year ago on 31 Jan 2011 15:23 # -
saqib55
MemberSalam, I thought your fellow jamaati bhai haris khan was just arguing that dollars are just "paper" that can be printed without consequence and here you're saying they're backed by oil. Which is it? I myself don't believe the dollar is backed by any commodity.
"Inflation is ok, human beings accept it"
@Haris khan, lol, tell that to pre WWII Germany where they had to haul in wheelbarrow full of bills to buy bread.
Posted 1 year ago on 31 Jan 2011 21:07 #
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