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Bangladesh making headway

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  1. Shock

    Supreme court of Bangladesh has banned religion based political parties. The affirmation came from the Law Minister Shafique Ahmed’s at a media briefing at his secretariat office, a day after the Supreme Court vacated an earlier stay on the High Court verdict that declared illegal the fifth amendment of the constitution.

    Bangladesh has made significant progress in the past few years as Bangladesh's forex reserve has exceeded 10 billion US dollars. This shows the leadership of Sheikh Hasina, who is the current Prime Minister of Bangladesh after winning the landslide elections in 2008.

    Posted 6 years ago on 06 Jan 2010 23:35 #
  2. Anonymous

    People and government of Pakistan should adopt the same line, otherwise we shall be left far behind even from Bangladesh.

    Posted 6 years ago on 07 Jan 2010 21:05 #
  3. But we do not have a minority that amounts to between 20 to 30 percent of the total Muslim population of Bangladesh.

    If that was the case in West Pakistan things would have been different.

    Secondly when they opted for a separation, (rather a forced one) than it remains their own business the way they conduct their national affairs.

    Do we have any parallels with Bangladesh?

    Posted 6 years ago on 07 Jan 2010 21:32 #
  4. netengr

    In a move aimed at reviving the spirit of Bangladesh’s original 1972 constitution which barred religion in politics, the Bangladesh Supreme Court recently lifted a four-year stay on an earlier ruling. As a result, the country’s dozens of Islamic political parties can no longer campaign under the banner of religion, and are likely to be forced to drop the religious reference from their names. The court declared as void ab initio the relevant fifth amendment to the constitution, which was carried out in 1979 during a Bangladesh Nationalist Party government. It allowed religion-based politics — which then flourished.

    Given that Bangladesh has amongst the world’s largest Muslim populations, this is a quantum leap forward. The court decision, if upheld during appeals, will affect scores of powerful political parties and their voters, including the BNP now in the opposition. Yet it is worth noting that the verdict does not affect Islam’s constitutional status as the state religion or religious text that was incorporated in the constitution. Implicit, therefore, is the recognition that whatever the dominant religion, the business of the state and politics must be conducted independently; and that far from yielding benefits in terms of just and legitimate governance, the confluence of religion and politics can wreak havoc on a country’s political fabric.

    Pakistan would do well to dwell on this. Religion, when enmeshed with politics, can deepen polarities and derail the examination of issues from the perspective of logic and the aggregate national benefit. We have seen, for example, how politics and state policies underpinned by religious diktat can lead to laws that are discriminatory and can be used as tools for victimisation. The Qisas and Diyat Act, the Hudood and the blasphemy laws are cases in point. At the very least, a political fabric woven from religion will either dismiss minorities and their rights, or polarise politics between dominant and minority religions. Pakistan made the state the custodian of religion through the 1949 Objectives Resolution, which was later made the preamble to the constitution by the Zulfikar Ali Bhutto government and added as an annex by Ziaul Haq. Although religious parties have not historically fared well in elections, Pakistan’s politics have, over successive decades, been coloured by religion. The separation of religion and politics will, of course, neither automatically ensure justice nor guard against the misuse of religion. But it can be a first step towards delineating the private and public spheres. This may be a good time to revisit Mr Jinnah’s 1947 address to Pakistan’s first constituent assembly, when he eloquently stated that religion had nothing to do with the business of the state.

    Posted 6 years ago on 09 Jan 2010 14:01 #
  5. hariskhan

    Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    The only thing I can say is, Bangladesh has chosen a path to its destruction.

    Why ? Because the last time I checked, Bangladesh was a Muslim majority nation. This decision will give rise to conflicts which may cause severe! damage to that 'nation state'.

    Posted 6 years ago on 09 Jan 2010 14:05 #
  6. zia m

    We don't need to ban Islamic political parties.They hardly get any votes in general elections.They will become even more irrelevant due to their support for Taliban.We need to restore 1973 constitution and get rid of the amendments made during Zia regime.

    Posted 6 years ago on 09 Jan 2010 14:19 #
  7. hariskhan

    Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    @zia m: There is! no! 'Taliban' in Bangladesh. Doesn't your above statement show you'r suffering from 'Taliban-fobia' ?

    Posted 6 years ago on 09 Jan 2010 14:22 #
  8. netengr

    There were Taliban "albader and Al shams " Bangladesh in 1971 .

    Posted 6 years ago on 09 Jan 2010 14:27 #
  9. hariskhan

    Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    @netengr: Too many Indians themselves have written books, who have talked about 'Al-Shams, Al-Badr'. ALL of them negate your viewpoint.

    Now, I suggest you stop lying.

    Posted 6 years ago on 09 Jan 2010 14:35 #
  10. netengr

    There is a book called "albader " by Islamic publishers ( Jamaat Islami )

    This book used to be in JI libraries ,Please try to find out and read this ,In which they openly claimed the "Jihad " against separatists Bngalis .

    Posted 6 years ago on 09 Jan 2010 15:00 #
  11. zingaro

    My dears

    @Haris .. There was certainly an organization named Al Badr but janab netengr ..that was not in Bangladesh .. that was in Pakistan... when Bangladesh was formed there was no such organization ... So this question itself is irrelevant.

    2ndly if Bangladesh SC has chosen to ban parties using the word Islam, it would be as per their constitution and we should not worry if we hold Pakistani ID cards. Even I personally feel that what if a party does not use word Islam with her name. The actual thing is manifesto. Because people don't vote for name but for the aims, objectives, manifestos and past record if available.

    So don't worry what is happening in Bangladesh ... your worries should be for Pakistan. People in Bangladesh also recite Kalma and go to mosques, have interpreters of Quran and Sunnah, they will take care of matters there.

    Cheers :)

    Posted 6 years ago on 09 Jan 2010 15:58 #
  12. Anonymous

    If similar amendment is made by Pakistani courts, what will happen to all the factions of Muslim Leagues, not to talk about other religious political parties?

    Posted 6 years ago on 09 Jan 2010 16:14 #
  13. zingaro

    adnak .. Bengali SC has not made this amendment. This clause was in their constitution of 1972. The issue was that SC gave a stay order on a petition filed against that clause. Now SC canceled the stay order.

    Posted 6 years ago on 09 Jan 2010 16:17 #
  14. yahya

    hariskhan, you are obviously not aware of the campaign of bloodshed that went in Bangladesh a few years back. People of Bangladesh are fed up with that and want a new future that is why they voted for a secular party this time.

    Just one incident;

    * Around 100 bombs exploded in 58 different locations.

    * The bombs appeared to be homemade and capable of causing only limited damage. Sophisticated timing device were used to synchronized these explosions across the country to cause maximum panic .

    * Blasts reported in 36 of the 64 districts in synchronization between 11:00 -11:30 AM today.

    * There are some wild speculations about casualties but about 120 are reported injured. So far no deaths reported. More figures to come as the situation develops.

    * Key installations like government offices (even the secretariat in Dhaka), high courts, press clubs, busy squares and universities targeted.

    * Leaflets of a Islamic terrorist organization Jamayetul Mujahideen were found at blast sites in Dhaka, Chittagong, Sylhet and Mymensingh. The leaflet said:
    “It is time to implement Islamic law in Bangladesh. There is no future with with man-made law. Bush and Blair be warned and get out of Muslim countries. Your days of ruling Muslim countries are over.”

    [By killing innocent Bangladeshis they are taking revenge from Bush & Blair..Lahulwala..]

    Posted 6 years ago on 09 Jan 2010 16:46 #
  15. yahya

    hariskhan, this is what Maududi's own son says about Al-badr/Al-Shams;

    Apparently Maududi was also aware of the atrocities but did nothing to stop.

    Posted 6 years ago on 09 Jan 2010 16:52 #
  16. Unfortunately the Political Parties motivated and injected by religious fervor, have become dividing factors.

    Out of almost 193 States of the World, we observe a severe unrest, depression and frustration only where attempts are made to pull the State under Religion.
    Sooner or later, the religious preachers would have to acknowledge that State should not impose a certain religion upon the citizens.

    An individual knows better which hat fits the head.

    Posted 6 years ago on 09 Jan 2010 17:15 #
  17. hariskhan

    Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    @yahya: I don't care for Maududi sb.'s son words. It is widely known how loyal Maududi sb.'s son is with Islam and Muslims.

    Maududi sb.'s son is not the standard. Islam is the standard.

    P.S. ALLAH ALMIGHTY didn't even spare son of prophets, because they went against that which ALLAH ALMIGHTY ordered.

    Javaid Sheikh sb. The source of division is lust of power, lust of unlimited resources at one's disposal, that one can ravage.

    No religious political party has shown that lust in the entire history of Pakistan. Non-religious/secular political parties HAVE done it 100% of the time.

    Infact religious political parties came! together! in shape of 'MMA', the political movement which united ALL! Muslims of Pakistan under a single banner, for a single cause.

    You are factually wrong.

    Posted 6 years ago on 09 Jan 2010 17:22 #
  18. yahya

    "Maududi sb.'s son is not the standard. Islam is the standard."

    I doubt Islam supports what Al-BAdr/Al-Shams did in Bengladesh.

    Posted 6 years ago on 09 Jan 2010 17:26 #
  19. It appears that religion is the root cause of all troubles of Pakistan including depression, frustration and unrest, as Bangladesh is doing fine while Pakistan is not. Than lets denounce religion altogether!

    Sooner or later non religious active elements will recognize that they have won at last!

    A hat is worn on a head and not otherwise!

    Posted 6 years ago on 09 Jan 2010 17:28 #
  20. hariskhan

    Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    @yahya: If you are misinformed about Al-Badr, Al-Shams, that doesn't mean what they did was wrong.

    To my knowledge Al-Badr, Al-Shams did nothing wrong.

    To my knowledge those who fought on Indian's side also acknowledge this fact.

    After that, what you claim has little credibility left.

    Posted 6 years ago on 09 Jan 2010 17:29 #
  21. hariskhan

    Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    @Shaheen-e-Iqbal: How do you claim religion is root cause of all troubles of Pakistan ?

    I challenge! this claim.

    Posted 6 years ago on 09 Jan 2010 17:31 #
  22. This was a response to a previous post where it is claimed by a member:

    Out of almost 193 States of the World, we observe a severe unrest, depression and frustration only where attempts are made to pull the State under Religion.

    I hope I have made myself clear.

    Posted 6 years ago on 09 Jan 2010 17:38 #
  23. netengr

    No one is denouncing religion here ,The issue is "Using " of religion is politics

    Posted 6 years ago on 09 Jan 2010 17:41 #
  24. Politics! what is this nonsense? Religion was the issue for 193 states of the world!

    Perhaps he missed it altogather that religion is like a sea where athiests are not even considered a ripple.

    Only religious souls know the real peace of mind and solitude. Athiests are still searching in vain...

    Don't mix POLITICS, a double speak, a false artform better suited to spin doctors widely known as politicians who have yet to discover one word...TRUTH.

    Only an athiest can denounce religion from 193 states of the whole world.

    Posted 6 years ago on 09 Jan 2010 17:52 #
  25. "Out of almost 193 States of the World, we observe a severe unrest, depression and frustration only where attempts are made to pull the State under Religion."

    Mr. Shaheen-i-Iqbal, please read this sentence one more time.

    I expect prudence and wisdom from a respectable scholar who claims to be Shaheen of Iqbal.

    Emotional exploitation doesn't work always.

    I am ready to debate for 7/24 on the subject of the 'Separation of Church and State.'

    Posted 6 years ago on 09 Jan 2010 17:58 #
  26. Well I am not because separation of Church and State is your favourite subject as it appears. Not mine!

    You should read again where you mention 'where attempts are made to pull state under religion'.

    Words my dear are an expression in many ways. I hope you are already aware of that!

    Posted 6 years ago on 09 Jan 2010 18:18 #
  27. My dear scholar the ACT and Desire to pull State under Religion is known as 'Theocracy' according to the Terminology of Political Science.
    Do you have any other definition for a State under the Control of Religion, please let me know?

    Posted 6 years ago on 09 Jan 2010 18:58 #
  28. hariskhan

    Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    Javaid Sheikh sb. whether you like it or not, Muslims want Islam as the national religion of Pakistan.

    As soon as Muslims get to have a say, you will see it.

    MASHALLAH nothing and no one can separate Islam from Pakistan.

    We are Muslims. We want Islami Nizam (period).

    Posted 6 years ago on 09 Jan 2010 19:06 #
  29. Shock

    On the other hand, Somalia another muslim country, which seems to be under the control of some sort of Islamic militia has made the country be ruled under Sharia.

    And this is Somalia:

    Posted 6 years ago on 09 Jan 2010 19:25 #
  30. hariskhan

    Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    @Shock: No Muslim nation state has Islami Nizam right now. No need to talk further. It is self evident.

    Afghanistan had an Islamic govt. but US toppled it. INSHALLAH it is going to come back.

    We are Muslims. We will continue to struggle for Islami Nizam in Pakistan.

    Muslims will struggle for Islami Nizam. Non-Muslims will continue to struggle for keeping Muslims away from Islam.

    End result ? Muslims will INSHALLAH return to Islam.

    P.S. Because of war in Afghanistan 'chalghoze' exported by Afghanistan to Pakistan, are available for Rs. 1600, 'Ilaichi' is available for Rs. 1800/kg. If the war in Afghanistan ended, the price of this commodity would fall back to dirt cheap levels INSHALLAH.

    One result out of military operations in Swat and adjoining areas is that fruit comming to Lahore became expensive this year. Price of fruit was double! of above this year.

    Posted 6 years ago on 09 Jan 2010 19:39 #
  31. khanseena

    I am not sure if banning religious parties would have any impact in Pakistan. They have very little support at the moment, banning them would enable them to become martyrs.

    Islamic parties in Bangladesh have been banned due to their role in the massacres during 1971. However, it is to be noted, that none of the JI leaders have been accused of corruption (unlike PPP, PML, ANP, JUP, JUI, MQM etc).

    Corruption, lack of education and exploitation in the name of religion are the main problems our country faces.

    Posted 6 years ago on 09 Jan 2010 21:09 #
  32. yahya

    "No Muslim nation state has Islami Nizam right now"

    What is Islami Nizam in your opinion?

    Posted 6 years ago on 09 Jan 2010 21:50 #
  33. yahya

    "However, it is to be noted, that none of the JI leaders have been accused of corruption..."

    To support dictators is corruption. To get benefits from Dictators monetary or otherwise is corruption.

    Posted 6 years ago on 09 Jan 2010 21:51 #
  34. yahya

    Actually supporting dictators is more than corruption, its treason.

    Posted 6 years ago on 09 Jan 2010 22:07 #

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