Lets get to the heart of the matter.
The events we have been witnessing in past 2 years till now are all leading towards Bangladesh Model. There is a systematic effort underway in Pakistan to implement Bangladesh Model. I raised this issue a couple of times during lawyer's movement, but jazbaati awam at that time were too much carried away.
So, do we want Bangladesh Model in Pakistan or no??
toamin
member
Whatever model you name, people want real change. A change that would give result and relief to masses.
People are sick and tired of secret deals which end up in continuation of same policies as previous govt.
Bangla model, kakar model, GIK model, leghari model, zardari model, mushy model, etc etc all are bogus smoke screens. Real deals are brokered in secret and announced through various tactics such as election.
Please comment only on Bangladesh Model.
Establishment aik baar phirr Pakistan mein aik naya experiment karnay jaa rahee hai.
Kiaa aap Bangladesh Model ko Pakistan mein dekhna chahtay hein?
toamin
member
Obaid sb,
It doesn't make any difference who is at the front end as long as power and influence is under military generals.
zingaro
Member
Please define and elaborate Bangladesh Model and then ask people to comment on that. I sure that will help readers to decide if they wish for such a model or not. Am i right?
toamin
member
Army chief's intervention based on rule of necessity to bring change in govt by supporting technocrat governance for a short period and not become part of it and then go back to barrack
expakistani
Member
@bsobaid
Bhai zara banagal model per roshini dalo, kia hey yeah ?
if this model can provide corruption free politics for pakistan then i am all for it....?
zingaro
Member
:) JJ Khan .. I require the answer from the person who started this thread ... I hope he will also tell us what happened when that model was implemented in Bangladesh.... waiting ... i asked this question in another thread as well .... and again asked here.... come on dear obaid bhai ...
toamin
member
This model was a success model in Bangladesh and in case of impasse between Judiciary and Executive this can happen.
PPP in order to preempt this move are trying to stir up the discussion to scare the public away so that this move fails at early stage.
Army chief already gave hint on it when he intervened on restoration of judges, so PPP are busy doing their homework!
zingaro sahab,
maan liaa many people claim Bangladesh model was successful in Bangladesh. Value of Takka went high, higher than Pak Rs. Economy is better than before, exports went up, Dhakka Stock Market went record high, less corruption, foriegn investment e.t.c Both Khalida Zia and Haseena Wajid had to run away and Khalida's son got arrested etc and then Haseena came back and became the prime minister. I can go on and on but I am sure pkpoliticians know about Bangla model and its outcomes.
Regardless of the outcomes, do we want Bangla model in Pakistan???
Last days of Musharraf and this whole lawyer's movement had a one-point agenda of implementing Bangladesh model that has support from elements in Pakistani establishment.
zingaro
Member
Brother Obaid .. I feel you really misunderstood my point of view. I really wanted that you define here what is this model, why this was implemented, and if it was really good then what is harm to implement here as well? If it is bad thing, you may also shed light on that, but if it is something good and brings positive change, then my question to you is should we refrain from it? If anybody has problem with name, may change it, but for a change which is positive and brings progress, prosperity and justice for every one in the country, what stops us to accept it ?
The above are my sincere words and I hope now it is more easy for you to respond.
mein nay tou bohot pehlay kaha thaa kay Iftikhar Chaudhry kaa Bangladesh Model dekh kay moo mein paani bhar aaya thaa, iss hee liyay woh Musharraf se ekhtaa thaa kay Shaukat Aziz ko fire karr kay, government Iftikhar Chaudhry kay haathoon mein day dein. laikin Shaukat Aziz ne ulta Iftikhar ko nikalwaa diaa, rest is history.
Anyways, point is not Ch. Iftikhar or PPP. Point is, do we want Bangladesh Model in Pakistan?? 2-3 saal se jo drama chal raha hai, oss kaa asal reason Bangladesh Model hai. Kiaa aap Pakistan mein Bangladesh Model dekhna pasand karein gay??
yaad rahay kay Pakistan aik Islamic model bhugat chuka hai Zia kay haathoon. Kiss iss dafa corruption aur good governance kay naam pay dobara dhokaa khanay ko tayyar hein aap log??
expakistani
Member
@bsobaid
Oh merey PPP ke spokesperson... could you please explain or provide link where i can read about Banagladesh model....
netengr
blocked
Why we need this model ? The system working fine ,Judiciary is free , PPP,PML-N,ANP,MQM are the popular parties and they are in power .If Media has some problems then they should make new party can participate in the elections .
zingaro
Member
Chalein aisa kartey hein Obaid Sahib .. kay aap khud hi bata dein kay is model kay kia pros and kia cons hein ... aur phir unki roshni mein aap khud bataein kay kia ye yahan pay hona chaheay kay nahi .. aakhir aap ki raaey ka bhi to pata chalay na ... aap sub say to pooch rahay hein .. pehlay apni raaey bataein .. Pros and Cons kay sath ... hope you will not mind ...
toamin
member
There are key players on stake with respect to American war in the region, they can't let these players go away so military might not side with judiciary they might side with PPP & PML-N!!!
remember my words!
zingaro
Member
JJ Khan :) US history shows that they never carried a weight on their shoulders.....
toamin
member
This is the weight for the definition of 21st century... very important..
zingaro
Member
Daraa deti hay jin ko inqilaab-e-waqt ki paayal
Unhein kionkar mein samjhaon kay raqs-e-irtiqa kia hay
@Zingaro,
My answer in short words, because models like Bangladesh Model are artificial, risky, unsustainable and non-democratic.
@expakistani, let me find a link for you. I dont think there is any single article that explains it all. You should read about Bangladesh's political scene from late 2005 to early 2009. Basically, army establishment derailed political process, setup a government of technocrats while itself staying in the background started a crackdown on corruption and politicians and forced Khalida and Haseena into exile. Hundreds of corruption cases were filed against the two and their political workers. The care-taker government, headed by an economist (Bangladeshi equivalent of Dr. Mehboob-ul-Haq) focused on economy and Bangladesh's economic conditions were improved during the period. Later, the elections were held again and guess what?? Haseena won the elections big time!!
Please also note, Dr. Younis was also offered position to head the care-taker government but he is a smart man and knows the chalakiaan of establishment, so he refrained.
@expakistani,
Here
http://www.jang.com.pk/jang/dec2009-daily/18-12-2009/col1.htm
this is a reasonable explaination of Bangladesh Model and establishment's plan of another experiment and adventure.
Pakistani naa hogiaa, ghareeb kee beti hogaya. jiss kaa jee chaha khilwaar karr giaa.
@Admin, please merge my last post with the main post of the thread to give pkpoliticians a background.
tamza2k
Members
@Obaid
The article seems more in favor of PPP, if you can please eleborate what this model (Bangla) is in your own words then we all members can better comment/take part.
@tamza
This post may give you some idea
http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/bangladesh-model#post-103303
Is it clear now or should I explain further?
expakistani
Member
@bsobaid...
Thanks bhai... jazak allah, thori se study ker ke hum verdict din gey ke Banagla model yes or no...
just one last comment on your post:
"
The care-taker government focused on economy and Bangladesh's economic conditions were improved during the period. Later, the elections were held again and guess what?? Haseena won the elections big time!"
blame on election process, or jahali awam i guess...
tamza2k
Members
:)dude already gone through. Letme find the motive behind developing such a model to get better & better understanding.:)
@tamza and expakistani,
The mindset behind such models is:
"yeh sala bloody civilian kiaa mulk chalaey gaa. Yeh tou paisay lootay gaa aur India se dosti karay gaa. Saari aqal sirf hamaray pass hai, iss liyay hum iss mulk ko sahee karay gaa. Jab mulk sahee hogaa tou hum bloody civilian ko dobara chance day gaa laikin dekhay gaa sher kee nazar se".
Dostoo, such short-cut models are unsustainable and artificial. Only way forward is to let democracy work and give it a chance. koi aasmaan nahi toot paray gaa agar PPP yaa N-League apnay 5 saal pooray karr lein.
@ex-pakistani, please also read the jang link I provided in my earlier post.
@tamza,
The real motive is establishment's concern that Pakistani is not going in the right direction and civilian leadership is trying to take certain policies in its own hands that are too risky to be moved from the aqal-e-kull of military establishment to bloody civilian. So, establishment wants to setup a technocrat government that will solely work on improving economy and crack down on corruption while military itself will stay in the background but it will help and dictate care-taker government to follow Pakistan-bachao agenda.
Please let me know if anything is unclear to you.
msohail83
Member
Bilal,
Do you support NRO?
toamin
member
now PPP has matured after 2 previous stints so they are trying to preempt opposition moves.
few months ago they initiated minus one...minus one...minus one hue & cry all over the country, they initiated the discussion to create fear in the ranks of PPP to get everyone rallied behind king zardari
now they are again playing same card by saying bangla model...bangla model... this means only one thing that PPP has decided to defy judiciary which will lead to stalemate and to outmaneuver army intervention they are preparing the ground
jayala are now busy playing "minus one" card with new idea, but goal is same..
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
Even now, politicians have everything under their control.
IF they do! their! work, they! can bring about a time when the nation will itself see who's the problem-creator, army or politicians.
If politicians;
- work for the people of this nation
- keep the interests of the people of this nation above everything except for obedience to ALLAH ALMIGHTY
- adhere to constitution of Pakistan
act according to law of the land
this nation will stand behind them, against Pak Army's generals.
However, if politicians continue to;
- waste time in their worthless bickering
- sideline law of the land
- loot and plunder Pakistan and its resources
- commit grievous crimes
then there's no hope, no future for such people within Pakistan.
This nation is now bored of ALL the injustice that has been going on for the last 60+ years.
This nation is hungry for change towards goodness, for justice, for betterment.
Dear Haris
Don't you think, once again, your comment is off topic !
Regards
Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,
Nope, my comment is bang-on-target! It is relevant to;
- Bangladesh Model
- Pakistan' situation in 1971
- Pakistan's current predicament
BaliMA
Member
It is funny pakistan is going on the bangladesh model. The irony!
Back to the topic now.
kiaa aap Pakistan mein Bangladesh Model ko support karaein gay kay nahi?
@zingaro, kuch aap bhi kaheay.
O bhai, mujh jaisay an-parh ko pehlay Bangladesh Model kay baray mein bhi tou kutch explain karo keh yeh kia balla hai.
Warna loag idhar udhar ki likh kar kaheen gay "my comment is bang-on-target!"
Adnak sahab,
aap please meri posts parhein iss thread mein. Mein nay Bangladesh model ko explain kiaa hai.
toamin
member
bsobaid's name has been changed to Anonymous?
what happened?
msohail83
Member
The January 22, 2007 election was postponed indefinitely and emergency law declared in January 11, 2007 as Army backed caretaker government of Fakhruddin Ahmed aimed to prepare a new voter list and crack down on corruption. They also assisted the interim Government of Bangladesh in a drive against corruption, which resulted in Bangladesh's position in the Transparency International's Corruption Index changed from the very bottom, where they had been for 3 year in a row, to 147th in just 1 year.
wiki
toamin
member
Bangla model zindabaad!
Let all the looted money come to Pakistan and use it to build all basic human necessaries such as gutter lines, electric/gas lines, schools, roads, hospitals etc etc so that MPA/MNA would have to promise something big to his people to win vote.
JJ bhai,
Doulat lootna bhi aik Art, aik Technology, aik Skill hai. Har aik koi, like you and me, cannot do it. Jiss nay bhi doulat looti hai, kamal kia hai. Abb iss say barra kamal yeh hona chahiye keh iss looti hui doulat ko Pakistan wapis laya ja sakay. Yeh looti hui doulat Pakistani awam ki Amanat hai. Iss ko harr hal mein wapis aana chahiye, chahey yeh koi sa bhi Model ho.
toamin
member
'Lootna' is not an art, it is zulm and ultimate breach of trust.
These public criminals must be punished and we don't care if it is through bangla model or islamic model
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