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  1. Before making my final decision to quit the Discussion Forum Pkpolitics for ever, I would like to present some of my recent postings to a neutral, honest and prudent Jury of the forum to let me know where I was wrong?
    Before saying good bye to the forum I won't hesitate to express my apology in case I hurt the feelings of any fellow member during my stay at this respectable and constructive window.
    I was not here to create a situation. I joined this forum just to express and share my feelings and experiences.

    Thank God I don't have anything to regret for getting inspirations from great leaders like M.A. Jinnah, Churchill, Gandhi, Nehru, Z.A. Bhutto, Nelson Mandela, Obama and great poets like Mir Taqi Mir, Ghalib, Allama Iqbal, Faiz Ahmad Faiz, Qateel Shifai, Ahmad Faraz, and Amrita Preeetam.
    Yes I hate those who work against the progress of the Humanity and those who made me leave my country where I had over 50 years social, cultural, educational, political and emotional investment and attachment.

    Here are my postings:

    I guess Shikra mentioned Pampers and Diapers as a symbol that unfortunately the Muslims failed to contribute anything positive for the humanity, (but hatred) for the past 500-600 years.
    There is a total full stop after discovering Algebra.
    Don't be dis-honest to reject the contributions of the Non-Muslims in the fields of Art, Culture, Medicine, Technology, Education, Literature, Entertainment and Sports.
    The reason?
    The Muslims Ulemas and religious leaders are wasting their energy to eradicate the Jews, Hindus, Americans and Secularism first, before taking a restart.
    What is their agenda?
    Mostly to confine the females withing the boundaries of the house.
    *********
    I never claimed to be an authority or champion of Islam.
    I am a democratic, liberal and secular non-practicing Muslim (what I have declared so many times.)
    I believe Allah Himself is the custodian and protector of the Holy Qaran.
    Even, if 10000 copies of the Holy Quran are destroyed or burnt by the enemies of Islam or through a natural disaster like flood or earthquake, Quran will survive.
    I should not worry and no need to make an elephant out of mouse.
    During my 36 years of teaching profession I have contributed my share according to the best of capacity and I am proud of that.
    If you are not fully aware of me it is not my fault.
    ***********
    First try to understand the meanings of Secularism.
    It is a philosophy and Theory of Tolerance.
    Respect and follow your own kind of Faith, Religion or Aqeeda without forcing your point of view upon others.
    A Secular State doesn't impose, force, implement a particular Faith, Religion or Aqeeda upon its subjects. The Subjects are free to enjoy and celebrate their Religion without voilating the Law of the Land.
    In Secular State no one is permitted to become the Mamma of his Religion.
    Now have a look at the world Map and count how many Secular States are running successfully where a majority of the people are financially, emotionally and politically more satisfied than the States bitten by religion?
    ***********
    Then have a look at the History of Khilafat and the Muslim Rule, also.
    Even they could not produce any ideal State.
    How many killings, invasions, annexation and expansionism have been committed by the religious fanatic invaders?
    Secularism is a synthesis what emerged from the thesis of theocratic tyranny.
    27000 Sahabas were killed during the Battle of Jamel, where Hazrat Aisha and Hazrat Ali fought against each other to capture the sovereignty of the Land.
    booe khoon aati hai is quam ke afsanon se
    **********
    "Khilafah will re-establish on the method of prophethood"
    The most pious Kaliphas, who were groomed, trained, educated and blessed with the vision directly from the companionship of the Holy Prophet, PBUH, could not establish and run an Ideal 'Khilafat' for more than 23 years, how the people running with a single band frequency would succeed?
    No way. It is a conspiracy to keep majority of the Muslims away from constructive output and progress.
    The sponsors of the Khilafat Conference are struggling for their own survival to stay in the business as their shop is getting closer to bankruptcy.
    *************

    Secularism is not any Religion or Faith. It is a feeling. It is a desire to tolerate all other religions surviving within the boundary of a State.
    It is a philosophy asking for 'Live and Let Live'.
    Religions work for the mind, soul and emotions of an individual where potency of the religious doze is fixed and adjusted by a person by himself according to his/her satisfaction and requirement.
    Religions, mostly work like tranquilizers and sedatives.
    No one should force to increase or decrease the doze.
    Over dozing could be fatal and that's what has gone wrong with the Muslim World.
    ***************

    'does secularism separate "religion" from the "state"??'
    O' Bholey Badshah!
    Secularism doesn't separate religion from the State but permits all the religions to flourish within State.
    The beauty of Secularism, it doesn't impose a particular religion upon its subjects.
    The followers are allowed to go to the Churches, Mosques, Temples and Guroodawaras.
    The separation of Religion from the State has been established through an evolutionary democratic process to boost the efficiency of the administration and to avoid the hurdles and speed breakers in the name of religion.
    Understand? All religions are illogical according to Science.
    2. No religion can serve the humanity as a complete code of life.
    3. It is wiser to avoid the interference of Religion in the administration of State to minimize conflicts, confusions and complications.
    3. Religions works like tranquilizers and sedatives to treat the fear of unknown and help to cool down panic attacks.
    That could be a positive aspect and utility of Religions.
    4. My choice of Religion and the potency of Faith might not suit any one else.
    5. A Christian child born to a Muslim parents or a Sikh child born to Hindu parents should not be forced to stay if he/she wants to return to the origin of his/her nature.
    End of the story.
    **********
    Bottom line is that Muslims need to make proper adjustments on the outdated and useless norms and traditions to synchronize their living accordingly.
    This is called Ijtehad.
    The existing rigid approach and arrogance won't work to make any change for the better.
    I don't believe that Allah or God will be angry if some positive changes and improvements are made upon His Orders.
    It is Mulla who is adamant not to digest any improvement due to his biological deficiencies.
    The photocopy of 6th Century cannot be pasted at the Map of 21st Century, without trimming.
    ***********

    Here lies the difference.
    My neighbor, a Christian asked how a Muslim would react in case he burns out a copy of holy Quran in his presence.
    'He will kill you", I replied.
    How you will react if the same person burns out a copy of the Holy Bible? I asked.
    'I will go to the nearest book store and buy another copy of the Bible.' He responded.
    ************
    When Halaku Khan invaded Baghdad, the Molvis of the City were involved into a discussion:
    "If crow is Halal or Haram?
    Pakistan is facing the most critical economic, social and political crises of its history and the scholars at the Pkpolitics forum are discussing something absolutely irrelevant, indicating the intellectual bankruptcy.
    Did someone notice how many threads tracing the evolution of religion are under discussion?
    Most it is cut and paste
    Irony is that all these topics have been discussed, concluded, discarded and killed a long time ago at the very forum without any positive outcome.
    *************

    Analyze and examine the contributions of the Muslim Scholars widely known as Ulemas.
    What is their information level?
    For the last 1400 years they are repeating the history of Khilafat-i-Rashida from different angles.
    That’s all.
    Did they introduce any thing new?
    Did they ever produce a new direction for the progress of the Muslim in particular and humanity in general?
    Did they ever suggest a practical scheme to fight social evils?
    Most of their efforts are to declare and prove each other Kafir, Murtad, Wajab-ul-Qatl, Wahabi, American Agent and Indian Spy.
    50% of the Muslims are Kafirs for the other 50% and vice versa.
    Logically 100% Muslims have been pushed to the domain of Kufr.
    Khel Khatam.
    The repetition of history doesn't need any brain exercise.
    Very easy job. Cut and Paste and earn the degree of Scholar.
    Unke Mutabiq
    **********
    It is time to fight the brainwashed mentality which is prone to declare most of the realistic persons like Sir Syed Ahmad Khan, M.A. Jinnah, Allama Iqbal as Kafir.
    2. It is time to fight those who create hurdles and speed breakers to slow down the progress in the name of religion.
    3. It is time to preach for tolerance and unity.
    4. It is time to reject the non-productive traditions and emotionalism.
    5. It is time to acknowledge and accept the universally recognized principles for a decent and better living.
    ***********

    Now Read This:
    Unke Mutabiq:

    skyfacts
    Member
    @To all,
    Jaishu type budday nahi manthy.ye pee k net open kerthy hain is ko dafa maro.
    Is ko yahan k students ne todday maar k nikala tha..I am going to collect history about jaishuoo blasphemic turtle..
    Blasphemic turtles ko bizzat karoo...this is religious duty....chowk me naked karo....Pakistani blasphemic laws are very clear about blasphemic attitude.....
    ADMIN should do any thing for law enforcement in pkpolitics..
    Jaishu ko ghar me kids nahi poochty yahan falsafy jhartha hy.....farigh rehtha hy naa....

    Posted 2 years ago on 03 Aug 2009 14:05 #
  2. I am compelled to say that pkpolitics discuss forum is about to loose a real scholar, and that is certainly not good.

    Posted 2 years ago on 03 Aug 2009 14:17 #
  3. Justapakistani
    Member

    @ semirza don't worry sir,he will not quit, This i not the first time he about to leave ;) possibly munna skyfacts got blocked ;)

    Posted 2 years ago on 03 Aug 2009 14:21 #
  4. rocketrevolt
    Blocked

    "There is a total full stop after discovering Algebra."

    The best thing that muslims transferred was the free thinking.Rest are all materialistically less important things.Once you get free thinking rocket science or algebra not a big difference.Thats what you missed sir ji.

    But I hope whereever you live it brings happiness to you and immense secularism you get there.Maybe you were born in the wrong country or wrong skin? And I hope the people over there would give you the right worthy place.

    :)

    Posted 2 years ago on 03 Aug 2009 14:25 #
  5. I am really worried. Instead of moving forward, we are going back. I appreciate and regard the way JS selects and lays down his thoughts, reflecting to the fact that 'he is a man of substance'!

    Posted 2 years ago on 03 Aug 2009 14:27 #
  6. Sheikhji;;

    kamaal hai aap aik ki ghatiya batoon se itnay mutassir ho rahay hain...woh bhi khali kholi...batoon se...

    khabardar jo aap ne yahan se janay ki soochi bhi...yeh naheen keh forum ko aap ki zarrorat hai, zarrorat qoum ko hai...qoum ko....qoum ka woh hissa jo net par bhaitha hai us ke paas buhut hi kaam tadaad mein woh loog hain jo 60 saal se opper hain or net ko use kar saktay hain....

    pakistani society mein 60 years and above loog jo net ko "positive" use kar sakain un ki tadaad buhut hi kam hai...

    doosri baat admi retire honay ke baad ziyada keemti hota hai, yaahaan aap ki qadr or piyar karnay walay bhi hain, ho sakta hai summer days hain busy hoon gay!

    bilkul bhi mutasir naheen hona hai in logon ki baton ka..yeh guftar ke ghazi hain..kirdar ke naheen or in ka time khatam ho chuka hai!

    yeh sahaara quran ka letay hain magar quran khud kehta hai keh Allah in ko gumrah kar de ga!

    hehehe..itni si baat par itna lamba munah na banay karo ustaad ji! :)

    Mulla!

    Posted 2 years ago on 03 Aug 2009 14:28 #
  7. Mirza Ji...

    not to worry! things are always like this on here!

    Mulla!

    Posted 2 years ago on 03 Aug 2009 14:28 #
  8. Ifzal
    Member

    First of all Sir I really liked to had some discussion on different topics wid u. And I am sorry for wat I had said yesterday if I hurt u. It was an innocent mistake otherwise I never use such language. This forum needs people like u I think. and if u can then I would request that don't go. Because if as a senior, highly educated scholor have no patience to deal wid some people who disagree wid u then don'tblame the young generation.

    And one more thing...

    @Javaidsheikh:
    "Now Read This:
    Unke Mutabiq:"

    R u Dr. Shahid Masood in real?
    Hehehe....Just kidding..

    Posted 2 years ago on 03 Aug 2009 14:29 #
  9. young generation does not disagree with JS, only a few nalaiq who have not gained anything in life from hard work are doing this...only a few ....

    so taking them serious is not a good idea!

    we all know how munafiqs destroyed the original islam by killing, expelling and kafirzing all open minded muslims...

    this is the exact method being used on our islamic society by shudra since 1400 years!

    thats why we lack any progress...cant you see!

    Mulla!

    Posted 2 years ago on 03 Aug 2009 14:44 #
  10. skyfacts
    Blocked

    NOW SPREADING THIS KIND OF INFOMATION AGAINST OPPONENTS TO GET WIN WIN SITUATION USING DOUBLE ID JUST CHECK BELOW......

    shikra/JS wrote,

    I feel ashamed to disclose the kirdar of Molvi of our Mohalla's masjid.
    What he did to me in his Hujra, when I was 12 year old, I can't disclose thoroughly.
    One good came out of his action that I resolved to leave Pakistan to save myself from further humiliation.
    I worked very hard to become a Doctor and finally ended up in Canada.
    Thank God and thank to Molvi.

    THIS IS TH CHARICTER/LOGICAL REASONING OF HIGH LEVEL PKPOLITICS SCHOLAR .....
    NICE USE OF SECOND ID REMAINING SCHOLAR WITH FIRST ID........

    Posted 2 years ago on 03 Aug 2009 15:09 #
  11. skyfacts
    Blocked

    HOW THE SCHOLAR USED EMOTIONAL BLACK MAILING HERE...

    shikra/JS wrote,

    Do you want to make it Pkmansoora or Pktaliban of Pklalmasjid?
    Did you put your suggestion to the Adm. of Youtube, Myspace, Facebook and other thousands of Internet Sites?
    My dear, this is the Century of Information Blast. Only the fittest will survive.
    The nonsense will be killed automatically through an evolutionary process of internal criticism.
    Let the Non-Muslims or Anti-Religions participate.
    Keep up your attempts to kill their point of view through more forceful and impressive arguments.
    Don't expose a defeated mentality. It would be an indication of their victory and your defeat. ...

    NICE USE OF SECOND ID SO FAR.REMAINING SCHOLAR WITH ORIGINAL ID.......

    Posted 2 years ago on 03 Aug 2009 15:12 #
  12. skyfacts
    Blocked

    SHIKRA/WROTE AND STARTED THE WHOLE THREAD AGAINST ME.....AS BELOW..

    I would be the last person to ask something like that.
    After a long interval I came back to this Forum to gauge its performance.
    I noticed a very uncivilized member @ the forum is intentionally infecting, what was so far very healthy atmosphere, with dirty and nasty remarks, language and threats.
    This time it is Skyfact.
    There are a number of people in Pakistan and out of Pakistan who condemn what has been recently done to the Christians in Pakistan.
    I, like millions of normal Muslims, don't endorse the implementation of the Laws about Blasphemy by individuals.
    It is the job of the Courts to investigate, decide and punish.
    The same point of view has been presented by Mulla, Heather, JS, and all other members with a reasonable approach.
    This guy Skyfact, has gone out of control. Please read all his postings where he is virtually abusing the other participants of the debate.
    Please check up the background of an applicant before accepting the membership. ....

    STILL REMAINING A NICE PERSON AND SCHOLAR WITH ORIGINAL ID
    .......

    Posted 2 years ago on 03 Aug 2009 15:16 #
  13. I honestly appreciate the feelings expressed by the fellow-members who acknowledged my contributions at the Forum what was all in good faith, with a noble motive and positive desire.
    Just imagine how a person like me with a 50 years attachment with Pakistan could be Anti-Pakistan.
    My postings were a 'Cry' against the destruction of a peaceful Social Structure by the stupid friends of religion.
    If I was Anti-Pakistan or Anti-Religion then Allama Iqbal and the Qauid-i-Azam are the 'bigger culprits'.
    Tell Mr. skyfacts to make preparations to 'Hang them in the Chauk of Gujrat'.

    All those who encouraged me with their loving expressions should feel free to reach me @

    sheikh.javed@yahoo.com OR

    facebook, youtube, and myspace.

    With best wishes for everyone at the Pkpolitics.
    Javed

    Posted 2 years ago on 03 Aug 2009 15:16 #
  14. Sheikhji:

    ignore the munafiq...like the rest of us! he is sick!

    Mulla!

    Posted 2 years ago on 03 Aug 2009 15:23 #
  15. skyfacts
    Blocked

    As i mentioned earlier all the stuff not acceptable in pakistan and islam are posted through fake ID's by the same member.wheather its stuff related with anti-Islam or Anti-Pakistan...

    sahnaz ID..this was purely used to blasphemic filth and called islamic laws as(OLD OUT DATED)nauzubillah....

    lota,nihlist(blocked) etc...were used to give anti-pakistan and anti-religion comments.....

    NOW WE ARE NOT FOOL,TO BE MADE FOOL FOR YEARS....A PERSON LIKE THIS HAVE A SUCH A MENTALITY SHOULD LEAVE WITHOUT MORE DOWN AT THE PAKISTANI PLACE.......BUT I AM SURE HE WOULD NOT AGAIN TACTICS AS LIKE THIS OPENING OF THREAD ARE UNDERWAY TO REMAIN WITH FILTH AT THE FORUM....
    ALL THIS CRAP CANNOT BE TOLERATED MORE HERE BY ANY ONE KNOWS TRUE FACE OF SUCH A PERSON.......

    Posted 2 years ago on 03 Aug 2009 15:24 #
  16. skyfacts

    You are too much obsessed with this double ID thing. Most of the scholars here are too busy to create double IDs to win the arguments and also i dont think so it even helps in winning an argument. Its better to only highlight the problems you are having with the messages than beating the same bush all the time.

    JS

    Despite of many differences with your way of thinking, i have always enjoyed your presence at this forum and i feel its completely unfair that you are leaving this forum only because of one person. This forum is a place where you could face any type of person any time, could even met with a suicider and the best way to deal with such people is to avoid. So i also request you to stay at the forum instead of leaving it and just avoid suiciders.

    Posted 2 years ago on 03 Aug 2009 15:31 #
  17. skyfacts
    Blocked

    @To all

    Now enjoy the own double ID arguments here in favour of own personal Original ID..
    Staying at the forum this tactic is always been used here getting appraisal from own ID's and killing the other point of views in this way........
    Expecting some more ID's to come with teared cloth approach and crying,shouting as,

    WE WANT JAISH,JAISH TERY JAN NISAAR BESHUMAAR BESHUMAR..

    JAISH QADAM BARAWO HUM TUMHARY SATH HAIN...

    JAISH KO WAPAS LAWO.....

    JAISH KO WAPAS LAWO.....

    THIS IS THE SUCCEFULL USE OF DOUBLE ID........

    Posted 2 years ago on 03 Aug 2009 15:39 #
  18. skyfacts
    Blocked

    justapakistani wrote,

    @ semirza don't worry sir,he will not quit, This i not the first time he about to leave ;) possibly munna skyfacts got blocked ;)

    justpakistani,

    Agreed......with ur comment..

    Posted 2 years ago on 03 Aug 2009 15:47 #
  19. You are free to think whatever you want and i really dont care. First you were equating me with Oriel and now with JS. Go and find my posts in which i am favoring him or abusing anyone. Most of the time you will find my posts which are opposite to what JS writes but that does not means that i should declare only my self as patriotic and call every one else as traitor.

    Posted 2 years ago on 03 Aug 2009 15:50 #
  20. netengr
    blocked

    pkpolitics

    پر طالبان جنونیوں کا قبضہ ،قتل اور غنڈے دندناتے پھر رہے ہیں ،قتل کی دھمکیاں ،گالیان ،بدتمیزیاں اپنے عروج پر پوھنچ چکی ہیں ،شریف لوگ اپنی عزت بچانے کے لیہ یہاں سے نقل مکانی کر رہے ہیں ،ہر بات مر کاٹ مارنے کی دھمکی اپنے سوا سب کو کفر کے فتوے جڑے کہ جا رہے ہیں ،ایسے میں حکومت کو چا ہے کے وہ جلد از جلد "آ بریشن رہ-ے-نجات شورو کرے اور ان شرپسندوں کے بلوں میں جا کر ان کو وہینن دفن کرے

    Posted 2 years ago on 03 Aug 2009 15:54 #
  21. letsdoit: brother, there are many new topics we are waiting for your worthy input on.....shall we say, ignore the dogs and move on ?

    Mulla!

    Posted 2 years ago on 03 Aug 2009 15:56 #
  22. netengr
    blocked

    Raat ko bhi khaab main double id double id kerta hoga ,
    Mulla Fazlullah kay liyeh Sehatyabi ki dua kiyon nahi kerta ?

    Posted 2 years ago on 03 Aug 2009 15:56 #
  23. netengr:

    dafn hum ne karna hai, hukumat surkhi powder mein masroof hai!

    dafn in ko hum ne karna hai or woh bhi ignore kar ke!

    Mulla!

    Posted 2 years ago on 03 Aug 2009 15:57 #
  24. is ki khuwaab mein mein ata hoon! woh bhi belibaas! is ko murgha banay howa hota hai mein ne!

    poocho is se...kasam de kar poochna wese!

    Molvi Lullah Fazal is ka behnoi hai, yaad hai ?

    Mulla!

    Posted 2 years ago on 03 Aug 2009 15:58 #
  25. netengr
    blocked

    Main nay kafi ignore kia tha ,per tum nay suna hi hay na "**** ki dum ...." wali misal

    Posted 2 years ago on 03 Aug 2009 15:59 #
  26. rocketrevolt
    Blocked

    Bhangi.net key do cent baray hi zarori thay hugney....ab sukoon ho gaya ho ga?

    :)

    Posted 2 years ago on 03 Aug 2009 15:59 #
  27. jab poora dalay ga tab sukoon ho ga!

    Mulla!

    Posted 2 years ago on 03 Aug 2009 16:11 #
  28. shikra
    Blocked

    @ JS,
    I understand your feelings when it is not possible to tolerate non-sense anymore and better to quit the place.
    I am convinced a person like you who according to my information has lived a very inspiring life in Pakistan, don't deserve such insulting behavior from a stupid who is obsessed with religious phobia.
    He is trying to enforce a Talibanist School of Thought at a forum having only 50-60 members.
    Unfortunately in Pakistan the social, economic, political and financial depression has caused the society highly explosive.
    A few weeks before I met one of your students (from the Government College Lahore) Mr. Nadeem Ali, who plays music at concerts and social gatherings here in Toronto and also works as Music Director for Movies. He talked very high about you.
    Your departure from this forum is your personal choice and preference but I must acknowledge that members like Fahim, Mulla, Beena, Peterpan, Khan Sahib, Heather, Letsdoit, Revivalist, mirza and you make this forum running, live and flourishing.
    I am a brain surgeon here in Toronto Hospital and little bit aware of the chemistry of a fanatic and mad person who gets agitated and aggressive very quickly.
    I will keep in touch with you through the e-mail address you posted.
    Good luck.

    Posted 2 years ago on 03 Aug 2009 16:15 #
  29. netengr
    blocked

    @Mulla
    hahaha lol

    Posted 2 years ago on 03 Aug 2009 16:18 #
  30. chechen
    Member

    Shikra, Your Canadian compatriots are falling like rats in Afghanistan? Why don't you volunteer and help your brethren?
    Great chance for a ****-Canadian martyr? Take a hike

    Posted 2 years ago on 03 Aug 2009 16:25 #
  31. rocketrevolt
    Blocked

    Lekin jab iss ki apni mein jata hey pura to phir cheekhta kiyon hey?....bardasht karey phir!!....lol

    ;)

    Posted 2 years ago on 03 Aug 2009 16:39 #
  32. lol!

    khocha humara hathyar hi itna bara hai! cheekh marta hai !

    Mulla!

    Posted 2 years ago on 03 Aug 2009 16:41 #
  33. lol!

    khocha humara hathyar hi itna bara hai! cheekh marta hai !

    Mulla!

    Posted 2 years ago on 03 Aug 2009 16:42 #
  34. shikra
    Blocked

    And what you are doing?
    Are you there in the cave with Osama?
    I am here to treat mentally sick people like you.
    It is not less than Jihad.
    For you killing is Jihad and for me saving the life is Jihad.

    Posted 2 years ago on 03 Aug 2009 16:43 #
  35. doctor shikra ji:

    yeh asal mein peechay , yani peechay se sikh hai!

    musalman ke bhes mein islam ko badnaam karta hai!

    Mulla!

    Posted 2 years ago on 03 Aug 2009 16:44 #
  36. chechen
    Member

    Caves are lot better than skyscrapers. You are in a losing battle not jihad. The decadent West is itself a huge mental asylum. Reag Globe and mail and Toronto Star and see the mayhem on Toronto streets. It is a society falling apart.

    A young Harvard Pakistani-American MD of Pakistan father and American mother who became famous few years back on his inagural speech at Harvard convocation "American Jihad" called real Jihad to work in rural areas of Pakistan and left his lucrative offers. That is Jihad and not the one you dollar hunters do by helping the decadent West. They deserved to be left in that state as they userped the land of natives. You are nothing but a slave.

    Posted 2 years ago on 03 Aug 2009 16:51 #
  37. why do chechens look like sikhs ?

    Mulla!

    Posted 2 years ago on 03 Aug 2009 16:55 #
  38. shikra
    Blocked

    Chechan,
    You want me to go back where emotionally charged religious people could perform the same act what the Molvi of the Masjid did when I was 12?
    To hell with such Jihad which is performed from the back.

    Posted 2 years ago on 03 Aug 2009 16:57 #
  39. its not jihad, its juhud!

    Mulla!

    Posted 2 years ago on 03 Aug 2009 16:59 #
  40. netengr
    blocked

    See jo jis group ka saath daitayta hay Allah uss ka dunya main bhi waisa hi mamla kertay hain jaisay uss group ka ,Now you can see kay yeh Qatil deshatgard fanatic logon ka saath dainay walon per jo pagal pan kay dora perh raha hay yeh issi azaab ka hissa hay .I have also some personal friends and relatives jo issi azab say guzer rahay hain ,na chain na itminaan bas dosron ko galiyan .

    Posted 2 years ago on 03 Aug 2009 17:15 #
  41. chechen
    Member

    Take note, You don't take words of Quran and ridicule Jihad. Both Shikra and Mulla have declared war on Allah and His Prophet.

    How vulgar for equating Jihad with sick mentality of Western mindset that uses foul words to ridicule Jihad. That example of a fake Moulvi is no justification for ridiculing Allah's sacred words. You and your Zionist pigs get a kick out of ridiculing sacred word of
    Jihad.

    May Allah's wrath fall on these scum who ridicule Jihad to please their Masters. Ameen.

    I remember the mindset of such corrupt to the core so called Pakistanis who are baffled by the glitter and glamor of decadent West so much so that they do not hesitate to make fun of scared words and Ibada of Allah SBT. When I first came to West and asked a group of Pakistani students on campus about attending Friday prayers, they took me to a casino and asked me to go inside and do sajda. What a cruel joke. Mullah amd Shikra are undoubtedly same mindset. You are doomed and will surely sink along with sinking Titanic thatyour are clin to ie Western civilization.

    Posted 2 years ago on 03 Aug 2009 17:18 #
  42. chechu...

    u must have had "juhud" in your youth ?

    Mulla!

    Posted 2 years ago on 03 Aug 2009 17:24 #
  43. shikra
    Blocked

    What made you to suggest me for going to Afghanistan?
    Your mind set about Jihad guides to kill the infidels and my mind set about Jihad is to work for the survival of human beings irrespective of religion, caste, color or creed.

    Posted 2 years ago on 03 Aug 2009 17:26 #
  44. chechen
    Member

    Mulla, sooner or later Allah's wrath will catch you. Forget me. I don't have ego. You can call me whatever lowest title you can think of. But your desecration of words of Quran will surely get you. Repent and weep.

    Posted 2 years ago on 03 Aug 2009 17:29 #
  45. chechen
    Member

    Shikra, Your Canadian flag here suggested me that you ought to be there? Right? I know comments of Canadians asking immigrants to die for Canada rather than mostly white soldiers whose photos flash every time Canadians get killed. You may have seen the 2 invading pids that died over the wekend.

    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/5c/Afghanistan_ISAF_Sept2008.jpg

    Posted 2 years ago on 03 Aug 2009 17:33 #
  46. chechu:

    juhud ? is a holy act ? molvi ka juhud is a holy act ? I think u are mis reading "jihaad" ...here i mean "juhud"...having sex with kids, the act of molvi is famous for in our culture ...juuuhuuud!

    Mulla!

    Posted 2 years ago on 03 Aug 2009 17:39 #
  47. shikra
    Blocked

    What message you are trying to build up Mr. chechan?

    Even if all of the foreign forces are killed and get lost, your School of Thought is never going to prevail.

    Frustration is the only option left for your School of Thought and Philosophy as it does not match the normal requirements of the modern way of life.

    Even after killing 80000 Americans Vietnam could not become a Super Power.

    Posted 2 years ago on 03 Aug 2009 17:42 #
  48. chechen
    Member

    Likes of Ata Turk who ridiculed the Maulvis are now dustbins of history and now this parasite Pakistanis think that they can join European club by degrading the Mullah.
    Wishful thinking. Mind it, Turks are still at gates of Europe with a begging bowl. They will never be accepted even if you abanodon your deen. Living in a jahummum of duniya New York, you have been completely taken over by the Shaitaan.

    You can fool me by your semantics of Jihad and Juhud but you will not fool ALLAH sbt. Repent and weep.

    Posted 2 years ago on 03 Aug 2009 17:45 #
  49. netengr
    blocked

    Yaar bhai Ziada na behas kero Chechan say ,ager ussay koi marnay wala na mila tou woh khud hi dewaar say ser tekra ker apnay aap ko maar lay ga

    Just like this frog

    Posted 2 years ago on 03 Aug 2009 17:45 #
  50. chechen
    Member

    It is not "my" school of thought.Even Canada will turn to my school of thought-Shariah forget Afghanistan.

    Let's not write off sharia banking
    REGINALD STACKHOUSE

    Special to Globe and Mail Update

    When we learn that Muslim Canadians want to start a sharia bank (a financial institution governed by Islamic religious law), our immediate reaction does not have to be that it's one more assault on the Canadian way of life. Nor must we write it off as unpractical because Islam's social ethic forbids charging interest on loans.

    Let's remember that chartered banks are already not the only options we have for financing ourselves. There can be room for one more. As well, let's note that a ban on interest was imposed for centuries in Europe by both church and state. That ban is even as old as the Old Testament, which forbids Israelites from charging other Israelites interest.

    So, this alternative way of financing one another has a long and diverse pedigree.

    Subtle philosophical arguments against interest were advanced long ago by some of the West's most respected thinkers, such as Aristotle and St. Thomas Aquinas. Medieval popes and church councils inveighed against it for more than 1,000 years. Penalties were often imposed against usurers, as all financiers were labelled if they charged interest. The idea may come as a shock to us in an age when paying interest is as much part of everyday life as borrowing money is. But if it's new to most of us, it's not new to history.

    History not only shows that this option has been around a long time but also that a lending institution can actually stay in business without levying interest. One way is by allowing loans when the lender and the borrower share both reward and risk. If you borrow $100,000 to buy a truck and set yourself up in the transport business, for example, this kind of bank can take a slice off the gain you accrue by buying the truck. And it will also share the loss if your business tanks.

    Sound convincing? Maybe not, and it's not the whole story — not in the West, anyway. In the medieval centuries, charging interest was preferred so much by financiers that they used ingenious ways to evade the law. Loans were made, for example, with a built-in return to the lender without actually levying an interest charge. To make a loan, let's say, of $100, the lender might give you only $90 but you would sign a commitment for $100. Or, as well as advancing the loan, he might sell you a piece of furniture for more than its market price and take his profit that way. To move goods around Europe, a merchant might also commit himself to paying the receiver more than they were worth.

    Then, as now, any ban invites the ingenious to devise a way of getting around it. Yet, it can also work and make financing available without gouging the person who needs it. Muslim experience can show us that, too. Should Canada allow it to happen?

    An economy's dynamism depends on giving people access to credit whether it's to finance a corporate takeover in the billions or just to buy a car. As we've seen in the past few weeks, closing credit opportunities at top or bottom can put our economy so close to the brink that the world's central banks have to rush in.

    So Canadian officials are right to take a look at this sharia option. Providing an alternative to the chartered banks and insurance companies has been a recognized need for a long time. That's why credit unions and housing societies emerged in so many Western countries. It's why the women of so many Third World villages came up with ways of making loans at small interest rates to other villagers. It's why home-owning became a possibility for ordinary Canadians when National Housing Act financing appeared on the scene.

    Does that mean putting out the welcome mat for a sharia bank? Not necessarily. It means taking an informed look at what it can do for people who need financing. It means the Office of the Superintendent of Financial Institutions taking a "let's get the facts" look at the idea.

    It just might be a good one. If it isn't, OSFI has enough number crunchers to warn the country off. Prejudging something just because it's new and different is never good business. If it were, we might not have the wheel.

    Reginald Stackhouse is principal emeritus and research professor at the University of Toronto's Wycliffe College.

    Posted 2 years ago on 03 Aug 2009 17:54 #

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