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california-on-the-brink-of-financial-collapse..... Is Uncle Sam dying?

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  1. The day of reckoning that California has been warned about for years has arrived. The longest recession in generations and the balancing measures are expected to lead to state spending cuts so deep and so painful that they could rewrite the social contract between California and its citizens. They could also force a fundamental rethinking of the proper role of government in the Golden State.

    "The voters are getting what they asked for, but I'm not sure at the end of the day they're going to like what they asked for," said Jim Earp, executive director of the California Alliance for Jobs, which represents the hard-hit construction industry. "I think we've crossed a threshold in many ways."

    California is looking at a budget deficit projected at more than $24 billion when the new fiscal year starts in July. That is more than one-quarter of the state's general fund.

    Voters said they no longer want the Legislature to balance budgets with higher taxes, complicated transfer schemes or borrowing that pushes California's financial problems off into the distant future. In light of that, Republican Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger has made it clear he intends to close the gap almost entirely through drastic spending cuts.

    The governor's cutbacks could include ending the state's main welfare program for the poor, eliminating health coverage for about 1.5 million poor children, halting cash grants for about 77,000 college students, shortening the school year by seven days, laying off thousands of state workers and teachers, slashing money for state parks and releasing thousands of prisoners before their sentences are finished.

    "I understand that these cuts are very painful and they affect real lives," Schwarzenegger said. "This is the harsh reality and the reality that we face. Sacramento is not Washington — we cannot print our own money. We can only spend what we have."

    He also has advocated selling state assets to raise cash, including the Los Angeles Memorial Coliseum and San Quentin State Prison.

    Today on various channels, they are now comparing california with Greece and unless Federal Govt agrees to bail out california, the situation looks very gloomy. Though if the Federal Govt bails out california, It will be like a help to a Alcoholic by another Alcoholic with a bottle of Wine in hope of a final recovery... ;-)

    Posted 2 years ago on 14 May 2010 22:35 #
  2. SufiSoul
    Member

    The important poiont is what caused them to leak their Financial Information..
    They have very strict Regulations against leaking the Finacial Information.One reason they presents that we want LENDER'S confidence not to LOOSE.LENDER Like CHINA.
    How it's possible TO COME UP WITH SUCH LEAKINGS.????

    Posted 2 years ago on 14 May 2010 23:19 #
  3. zia m
    Member

    More than twenty years ago New York too was about to go bankrupt but some mysterious force (God?) came to their help.
    We have to rise above the tribal mentality, where one tribe wishes the downfall of the other, thinking that is the only way for their own rise.
    It is quite possible for two or more tribes to flourish at the same time.
    I see China and US both flourishing with each others help.Even India with all her handicaps has a much better chance than Pakistan.

    Posted 2 years ago on 15 May 2010 0:05 #
  4. SufiSoul
    Member

    You know what is Market Competition????

    OR you think it as a conspiracy theory too....????

    Posted 2 years ago on 15 May 2010 0:12 #
  5. zia m
    Member

    Sufi
    You seem to have a habit of lying.I'm still waiting for your response under "who agrees"

    http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/who-agrees/page/2#post-146653

    Posted 2 years ago on 15 May 2010 0:23 #
  6. expakistani
    Member

    so if CA, NY, Massachusetts all get "kangal" what its going to do for Pakistan?

    who will buy our towel and cotton? u think china, india or EU provide same consumer base economy.....

    Posted 2 years ago on 15 May 2010 7:41 #
  7. @KHAN_Sahib
    Today on various channels, they are now comparing california with Greece and unless Federal Govt agrees to bail out california, the situation looks very gloomy. Though if the Federal Govt bails out california, It will be like a help to a Alcoholic by another Alcoholic with a bottle of Wine in hope of a final recovery.

    A nice observation of events. This also could be done with funds only, real funds that they dont have except excessive printing of currency. Another trip to China by Hilary begging for alms would certainly pay off.

    Posted 2 years ago on 15 May 2010 7:54 #
  8. @zia m
    "More than twenty years ago New York too was about to go bankrupt but some mysterious force (God?) came to their help.
    We have to rise above the tribal mentality, where one tribe wishes the downfall of the other, thinking that is the only way for their own rise....I see China and US both flourishing with each others help.Even India with all her handicaps has a much better chance than Pakistan. "

    California: "Absolutely terrible" budget cuts to be announced at 4 PM ET
    But nothing to worry, Californians, zia m says it's all going to be "A-OK! God is looking out for you (and US and China and India but NOT Pakistan)!!"

    Protests in Thailand (cause:Economy): Army brings death and carnage to the streets

    But nothing to worry, Thais, zia m says it's all going to be "A-OK! God is looking out for you (and US and China and India but NOT Pakistan)!!"

    US faces same problems as Greece, says Bank of England

    But nothing to worry, Americans, zia m says it's all going to be "A-OK! God is looking out for you (and US and China and India but NOT Pakistan)!!"

    Why The UK Is The Next European Country To Experience A Massive Debt Crisis

    But nothing to worry, Brits, zia m says it's all going to be "A-OK! God is looking out for you (and US and China and India but NOT Pakistan)!!"

    Bank Bailout Protesters Storm Ireland's Parliament

    But nothing to worry, Irish, zia m says it's all going to be "A-OK! God is looking out for you (and US and China and India but NOT Pakistan)!!"

    Bankers jailed, sued as Iceland seeks culprits for crisis that bankrupted the country

    But nothing to worry, Icelanders, zia m says it's all going to be "A-OK! God is looking out for you (and US and China and India but NOT Pakistan)!!"

    Greek debt crisis: IMF predicts more pain for Athens

    But nothing to worry, Icelanders, zia m says it's all going to be "A-OK! God is looking out for you (and US and China and India but NOT Pakistan)!!"

    Millions of jobs lost, many may never return

    But nothing to worry, Unemployed Workers, zia m says it's all going to be "A-OK! God is looking out for you (but NOT if you are from Pakistan)!!"

    Mervyn King: "World's Worst Financial Crisis Ever"
    CEO Predicts Market Armageddon: Dow To 5,000

    But nothing to worry, World, zia m says it's all going to be "A-OK! God is looking out for you (except Pakistan)!!"

    :-P

    Posted 2 years ago on 15 May 2010 9:50 #
  9. aftab arif
    Member

    If they did not invade foreign countries and at the same time cut the Military budget of 650 billion dollars then maybe they would not be in this predicament.

    Posted 2 years ago on 15 May 2010 10:27 #
  10. zia m
    Member

    God only helps those who help themselves!
    Comfort derived from the misery of others is slight.

    Posted 2 years ago on 15 May 2010 11:01 #
  11. Comfort? Who's deriving comfort?

    You suggesting nothing is wrong and no need to do a thing because "some mysterious force" will "solve" all the worlds problems on one hand AND then adding "God only helps those who help themselves" shows you are totally confused.... :-P

    Posted 2 years ago on 15 May 2010 11:12 #
  12. zia m
    Member

    Those who derive comfort are well aware of it.
    I did not say nothing is wrong, they are aware of their problems and know how to solve them.God with a question mark meant they are not counting on prayers.
    We need to worry about our problems.

    Posted 2 years ago on 15 May 2010 11:22 #
  13. achtung
    Member

    ham shayad iss ghalat fehmi mein mubtila hein keh

    agar amrika bankrupt ho jaey ga to hamarey khazaney bhar jaeen gey

    dollar kamzoor hoga tou hamari currency mazboot ho jaey gi

    (dollar guzashta 4 maheenay sey strong ho raha hy)

    hamein doosroon mein keerray nikalney kee aadat parr chuki hy. ham apni behtri kay liye kutch nahee kar rahay

    Posted 2 years ago on 15 May 2010 11:54 #
  14. @achtung
    "agar amrika bankrupt ho jaey ga to hamarey khazaney bhar jaeen gey.
    dollar kamzoor hoga tou hamari currency mazboot ho jaey gi "

    Is is act stupid day today? How are you assuming that is being implied is beyond incredible and makes you candidate for "Most Moronic Interpretation of the Year Award" here at pkp!

    Posted 2 years ago on 15 May 2010 12:35 #
  15. California Is More Likely to Default than Iceland or Iraq
    12.5.10
    The Federal Reserve isn't the only one who owns credit default swaps betting that California will default.

    As journalist Ed Harrison points out, credit default traders have now ranked California in the top 10 governments likely to default, with a 20% default probability:

    http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2010/05/california-is-more-likely-to-default.html

    Posted 2 years ago on 15 May 2010 13:12 #
  16. You're quite right to say above, achtung: Put your own house in order. The problem remains How? when your own house is half inhabited by the West. The faster the downfall of that entity, the quicker the house returns to its rightful owners.

    Posted 2 years ago on 15 May 2010 13:47 #
  17. achtung
    Member

    mirza ghalib, welcome

    nice to see your posts

    i wish we use our energy and resources to build our country, our home, ourself

    i wish we not need to spend our energy and resources on destruction of others

    why, because our resources are limited for the time being. i hope our resources will increase by building our country, our home

    i wish our children enjoy life in welfare Islamic republic of pakistan in coming times. i wish our coming generations do not abuse us as foolish people in coming times.

    if we do this, "when your own house is half inhabited by the West", problem will solve automatically.

    Posted 2 years ago on 15 May 2010 14:15 #
  18. Thank you. Yes, you may be right. And then again, who knows. Recent history for us has followed a pattern in three phases:

    1. Colonisation
    2. Neo-Colonialism
    3. Military Occupation (the present phase)

    I can't really imagine that the West will do anything to improve our situation. I can imagine they will come and steal all our resources. And then we'll be even less capable of development than we were even the last time they threw their covetous eyes upon us. Down with the enemy and self-reliance may be the way to go. But your guess is as good as mine.

    Posted 2 years ago on 15 May 2010 15:24 #
  19. SufiSoul
    Member

    ((((((Sufi
    You seem to have a habit of lying.I'm still waiting for your response under "who agrees"

    http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/who-agrees/page/2#post-146653)))))))).

    I never DRAGED MY WIFE to the forum to get some room among members..
    I never dragged my NEPHEW to the forum to gain some repo on the forum..
    Every one knows at the forum that who has the contin habit of LYING and who using SHAMEFULL TACTS of tragging own wife,Daughters at the FORUM...
    Every one knows me here HOW often i use tactics to be counted RESPECTABLE AT THE FORUM........

    I FIRMLY BELIEVE THAT NO ONE CAN GAIN RESPECT HERE BY USING SUCH SHAMEFULL TECHNIQUES/LYING AS POLICY,BUT SUCH TECHNIQUES CAUSED HIM,KICKING IN DEEP DARK SHAMEFULL INDENTIFICATION AT THE FORUM.....

    Posted 2 years ago on 15 May 2010 16:55 #
  20. zia m
    Member

    " never DRAGED MY WIFE to the forum to get some room among members..
    I never dragged my NEPHEW to the forum to gain some repo on the forum..
    ----------------------------

    You don't make any sense at all. I could care less if you drag your whole family here.
    You owe me an apology for wrongfully accusing me of certain comments.
    Is that too hard to understand?

    http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/who-agrees#post-146623

    Posted 2 years ago on 15 May 2010 17:20 #
  21. Shock
    Members

    California has been having problems, but they are asking help from the federal government, which is U.S government just to clarify. They didn't ask Pakistan for aid. Even if California collapsed, its economy will still be bigger than the whole of muslim world. And if your going to talk about one state, then why don't you talk about other states like the great state of Texas? Since we have gone so low, that we also want to see same happening to others.

    Posted 2 years ago on 15 May 2010 17:52 #
  22. khanseena1
    Member

    I agree with u achtung - we need to get our house straight, instead of deriving pleasure from other peoples alleged financial problems.

    Posted 2 years ago on 15 May 2010 19:53 #
  23. LiberalKarachi
    Member

    Where are the figures to support ur claim? Sounds like wishful thinking of yours right now

    Posted 2 years ago on 15 May 2010 21:42 #
  24. Wow, the FOUR stooges and no surprise all four missing the point...

    @zia m
    Sharam tum ko magar nahi aati (na hi kabhi aaay gi)

    @Shock
    "California has been having problems, but they are asking help from"
    Oh wow! Brilliant! So does that mean there will be no budgetary cuts as you seem to imply?

    "why don't you talk about other states like the great state of Texas?"
    Right now? Two Words: Oil Spill :-P

    @khanseena1
    "I agree with u achtung "
    Of course you do (since you cannot think for yourself)
    "deriving pleasure from other peoples alleged financial problems"
    For the umpteenth time that was nowhere the case.

    @LiberalKarachi
    "Where are the figures to support ur claim? Sounds like wishful thinking of yours right now "
    What the ... well forget it. Even if the figures were there it would not matter to any of you, right?

    Posted 2 years ago on 16 May 2010 3:57 #
  25. khanseena1
    Member

    @Nota

    Agreeing with someone also requires thinking....

    Posted 2 years ago on 16 May 2010 4:54 #
  26. Shock
    Members

    @nota

    ""why don't you talk about other states like the great state of Texas?"
    Right now? Two Words: Oil Spill :-P"

    Wow, that is off the coast of Louisianna, which borders Texas. It hasn't affected Texas. Do your homework before posting comments. And the oil spill has nothing to do with the economy of Texas.

    ""California has been having problems, but they are asking help from"
    Oh wow! Brilliant! So does that mean there will be no budgetary cuts as you seem to imply?"

    Well there will budgetary cuts, but it is not like they have this problem all of a sudden. I would still go and live in California. It hasn't stop start-ups in California. And remember most the fortune 500 companies in America took birth in recession. You should focus on figuring out who you are going to be selling all the oil, as America desperately wants to move away from the oil. And they have been into these kinds of problems before.

    Posted 2 years ago on 16 May 2010 5:03 #
  27. zia m
    Member

    No, it is not about deriving comfort or pleasure;
    Nota is probably standing in front of a mosque collecting donations for the miserable Americans.
    Speaking of shame...
    Lets make fun of Texas or should it be Louisiana, but who cares about the facts, if nota says it must be true.
    Hating Americans is one thing but at least have some mercy on the wild life.

    Posted 2 years ago on 16 May 2010 5:04 #
  28. Shock
    Members

    @zia m

    He should be the future ameer of JI. In fact, if I was a Jamaati I would immediately remove Munnwwer Hassan, because nota has more knowledge about America than their current chief.

    Posted 2 years ago on 16 May 2010 5:07 #
  29. Misery? What misery??

    Bankers' earnings surge towards pre-crash levels
    Pay and bonuses totalled £20.5bn in four months to April, compared with £24bn at height of boom in 2007

    Goldman Sachs Lloyd Blankfein Dropped $26 Million In CASH On New Apartment

    :-P

    BTW: I love Texas (spent 13-plus years there) and hate Lousiana (except Bourbon Street in N.O.) And I can never hate American (ordinary folk that is) :-P

    Meantime, while you ponder this, do enjoy this acenery.
    Let's see what @Shocks "great state of Texas" can do about it...

  30. They still believe that US will revive but the tell tale sign are here for it's inevitable collapse... A good article..

    Sun, sea... and misery. As residents of America's Golden State struggle with an economic and political meltdown – the result of their experiment with 'Direct Democracy' – there are lessons for Britain, says Guy Adams

    A tall, revolving Ferris wheel stands like a beacon of contentment at the end of Santa Monica pier. Surrounded by golden sands and an endless Pacific, the famous landmark represents the end point of the old Route 66, the highway that transported generations of American migrants across the continent in search of a better life. Here, amid the sun, sea and swimming pools, is a glamorous celebrity playground that has become embedded in the US psyche as a symbol of the laid-back lifestyle of its wealthy, creative, and quite often famous, inhabitants. It is the spiritual home of what people like to optimistically call the Californian Dream.

    But something is slowly taking the shine off the gilded confidence of America's Golden State. In recent years, the era of boundless optimism and endless prosperity has chugged to a halt. The "can-do" mentality that helped its inhabitants create Hollywood and Disneyland, and which built the sprawling suburbs that would turn a local joint called McDonald's into the world's most popular restaurant, has being replaced by a creeping sense of decline. For most of its 37 million residents, California is no longer a land of plenty. The economy is lousy, its political system broken, and public finances are careering towards bankruptcy. While they may still be ooh-ing and ah-ing on the Santa Monica Ferris wheel, the prevailing emotion on the streets can be summed-up in a single word: misery.

    That, at least, what you might conclude from reading the 2011 guide to "America's Most Miserable Cities," published this week by Forbes. Taking into account a range of factors used to measure quality of life, from crime rates, to unemployment figures, to commute times, taxes and the numbers of homes which are in foreclosure, the magazine ranked every one of the country's hundreds of metropolitan areas that has a population of over 249,000. And when they crunched the numbers, cities in California occupied a staggering four of the bottom five (and eight of the bottom 20) places on their misery list.

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    "Good vibes are a distant memory," was how Forbes put it. "The state [faces] a crippling checklist of problems including massive budget deficits, high unemployment, plunging home prices, rampant crime and sky-high taxes." Roughly 12.5 per cent of residents are unemployed, property values have in places declined by two-thirds from their 2008 peaks, and 500,000 homes are in foreclosure. Pockets of huge prosperity of course remain, in places such as San Francisco, San Diego, and the west side of Los Angeles. But venture a couple of hours inland, or take a journey into the poorer ghettos of the inner cities, and it feels like another country. Many are eerily quiet. Though it has been one of the most popular destinations for immigrants to America, California's overall population is down around 500,000 in the past decade.

    Last year, I spent several days in Stockton, a commuter town some distance east of San Francisco which had then just been named "America's Most Miserable City" for the first time (this week it retained that crown, with nearby Merced, Modesto, and the State's capital, Sacramento joining it in the Forbes bottom five). Its tale was a classic story of boom and bust: property values there had tripled between 1998 and 2005, pushing the price of an average home to $431,000. Then came the slump. Today that figure is $142,000, destroying the net worth of locals. One in five people are out of a job, and many are unable to service debts acquired during the good times. A smidgen under 7 per cent of all the homes in the city are listed as being in foreclosure.

    Statistics only tell half the story, though. The rest is written in human terms. Whole streets of boarded-up and abandoned family dwellings sit a stone's throw from city-centre skyscrapers, with front lawns unmown and mailboxes unemptied. Outside a food bank on the outskirts of town, a long line of the hungry and desperate queued for handouts of food and basic household supplies. The plight of many, such as a former surgical assistant I met called Tina Blanco, had been exacerbated by drawing a losing ticket in the lottery of America's healthcare system. At 45, she had lost her home and all her savings, after quitting work to get treatment for breast cancer.

    Like any Californian who falls on hard ground, Tina, a single mother, can no longer expect her political masters to help. Once, the State's government was the envy of the world, with America's finest infrastructure, its best school system, and a network of cheap, public universities that produced generations of upwardly mobile citizens. Now its political system is a joke. Leaders of both major parties have got themselves into the habit of spending far more than they can accumulate, despite some of the nation's highest tax rates. The public deficit has duly spiralled, to its current level of around $28bn. Last summer, California's bank accounts emptied altogether, forcing the administration to start settling debts with IOU notes.

    Arnold Schwarzenegger, the outgoing Republican Governor, left office with approval levels that had touched 22 per cent ("a record low" for any incumbent, noted Forbes). His Democratic replacement in the job, which was once held by Ronald Reagan, is Jerry Brown. He took charge last month, and has recently announced an effort to balance the books, slashing public spending on healthcare and schools, dramatically increasing university fees, and seeking to raise some taxes. The Californian Dream was built in a different era, of economic growth, he has argued. The State must therefore enter a new era of austerity.

    If this idea sounds familiar, that's probably because it should. The parallels between Brown's California and David Cameron's Britain run deeper than you'd think, and not just because both leaders are seeking commercialise university systems which have for years provided one of the most reliably successful means of lifting poor but talented people out of poverty. Some of the most critical mistakes that have brought America's Golden State to its knees are even now being echoed by Mr Cameron, and fellow architects of his widely-touted Big Society.

    But first, some history. The Californian Dream is a relatively modern phenomenon, at least by UK standards. Two centuries ago, the State was largely wilderness: its north covered by mountains and impenetrable forests, its south largely bone-dry desert. Reaching the Pacific coast from the east meant an arduous and often deadly journey, lasting several months. Being situated slap, bang in one of the world's most active earthquake zones didn't add much to its charms, either.

    The idea that easy riches awaited migrants who headed all the way west really took hold with the Gold Rush of 1849, which turned San Francisco into one of America's most prosperous cities. LA's time in the sun followed a few decades later, when the newly-minted film industry used the Hollywood Hills, north and west of downtown Los Angeles as the base from which it would swiftly build itself into the most powerful means of mass communication the world has ever known.

    During the Great Depression of the 1930s, bankrupt residents of the dust-bowl states (the "Okies" of Oklahoma and "Arkies" of Arkansas) regarded California as a sort of promised land. Oil made multi-millionaires of residents with surnames such as Getty. The concept of celebrity was more or less invented there. After the Second World War, hundreds of thousands of former soldiers, who had trained in the state before setting sail to the Pacific theatre, returned to work in the vast ports of Long Beach and San Diego, or huge factories servicing the growing aerospace industries.

    The 1950s and 1960s were perhaps the golden age of the Californian Dream, when Route 66 was known as "America's highway" and the average working man could afford a life of suburban contentment, a short drive from his place of work. His children could go to cheap universities such as UCLA or Berkeley, his wife could own a car, and he could retire early, to concentrate on his golf game. California, as sketched in the recent series of Mad Men, was dynamic, creative and a tiny bit louche. The sun always shone. It took a degree of bourgeois contentment to spawn the generation of young idealists who would enjoy the Summer of Love.

    Yet all along, the happy boom was being built on shaky foundations. Spiralling property values slowly forced people to live further from their places of work, clogging up freeways and coating major cities in orange smog. Urban sprawl began to destroy the environment, producing water shortages, landslides, and fires. Infrastructure was neglected. Local government had its fingers burnt, by entrusting civic duties to the private sector. In one famous scandal of the 1950s, LA allowed its world-class tram system to be sold to a company controlled by major US oil firms. They promptly shut the entire system down, hoping to force users into oil-guzzling cars. The city's public transport network has never recovered.

    California's greatest mistakes, however, came as a result of its obsession with "direct democracy". In rules designed to put citizens at the heart of government, small interest groups were allowed to create new laws by electoral "ballot measures". Any "proposition" that can attract the support of a few hundred thousand people prepared to sign a petition can then be put to voters in a referendum. If more than 50 per cent of them support it, that "proposition" becomes law.

    In theory, this concept sounds empowering. In practice, it has in recent decades resulted in legislative chaos. Ballot papers on election day run to dozens of pages, with referendums on anything from gay marriage to drug legalisation. And dozens of measures, passed over the years by different generations of voters, have left State government paralysed, and unable to properly manage its finances.

    Property tax, a mainstay of revenues, was frozen for many residents in the 1970s, as a result of one public vote. Income tax cannot be raised unless two-thirds of lawmakers agree thanks to another ballot measure, passed in the 1980s. A raft of further referendums endorsed by the people control California's spending to the extent that only a only a quarter of its entire budget is considered "discretionary". The rest is already earmarked for a particular cause. Endless business legislation has driven employers to greener pastures.

    In this environment, the only way Governors of California can balance their financial books has, for decades, been via borrowing. As a result, even servicing the state's public debt now costs around 10 per cent of all its tax revenue. So in 2008, when a faltering global economy further decimated tax revenues, the already-teetering state was pushed to the brink of bankruptcy, and left unable to protect its most vulnerable citizens.

    All of which should be mulled over by architects of Mr Cameron's Big Society. The British Prime Minister is fond of "direct democracy" and has touted plans for Parliament to debate petitions that receive more than 100,000 signatures. This no doubt sounds like a wonderful idea. But it is wrong to think it will produce better laws. California shows that, when an electorate is empowered to make everyday decisions, it tends to vote selfishly. People want low taxes, but expensive services. They vote emotively, and often bad laws. The Golden State may be many time zones from Westminster, and its sun-drenched beaches can feel like they belong to another planet. But in the Golden State's decline into misery, there probably lies a lesson for us all.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/pacific-grim-how-the-sun-set-on-californiarsquos-dream-2211185.html

    Posted 1 year ago on 07 Mar 2011 17:16 #

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