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Chronic Disease of Provincialism and Ethnocentrism in Pakistan.

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  1. M.AKRAM KHAN NIAZI
    Member

    Chronic Disease of Provincialism and Ethnocentrism in Pakistan.

    Promotion of Provincialism and Ethnocentrism by President of Pakistan is highly deplorable, and is against the Constitution of Pakistan, in which it is the basic Policy principle of Constitution of Pakistan which directs to make efforts against provincialism but our president is trying to promote provincialism and ethnocentrism.

    Name of Pukhtoonkhwa.

    Names of Pukhtoonkhwa and Afghania are conspiracy against Pukhtoons, By naming frontier province with ethnocentric names enemies of Pukhtoons want to confine Pukhtoons in a very small place, and after that they will say to Pontoons now you have a province so don't go and live in other provinces, Pukhtoons are spread in all over Pakistan and are one of the main source of unity of Pakistan, no one is snatching NWFP from Pukhtoons but by giving ethnocentric name others want to keep away Pukhtoons from the rights on other provinces. There is no place for Discrimination Based Name in any civilized nation.

    Investors of Ethnocentrism.

    ANP, PPP and MQM are main beneficiaries and investors of ethnocentrism, provincialism and sectarianism and therefore Mr. Zardari is trying to divide Pakistani nation on such lines, and making statements such
    • As people of other provinces are eating the resources of Balouchistan while infact those are Balouch Sardars who are mostly involved properties in other provinces, Jamali sons are having properties in Sind, Mengal and Marri are having properties in Karachi, Moreover Mr. Zardari is himself involved in making properties in U.K. (Surrey Palace) and every where in Pakistan (from Marri to Guwadar)
    • Punjab is taking the share of water of Sind while infact it the Sind Government which is wasting the River Indus water in land and in Arabian Sea. Due to which many parts of Sind are suffering from problem of water accumulation leading to stagnant water in lakes and creating swamp lands and rise in sea level.
    • People of Sind will be converted to minority due to migration of Pukhtoons to Karachi, while infact if whole of NWFP population move to Sind even then it is simply impossible to convert people of Sind into minority as population of NWFP is 15 Million and That of Sind about 40 million.

    Meanings of above statements are just to create disharmony and hatred among different sections of society.

    Who Supports such Name?

    If ethnicity is so much important why Mr.Zardari is not naming Karachi as Udru Khuwa or Gulshane Urdu or Urdunia, Because word Karachi also does not have any meaning, if ethnicity is so much important than why Muhajir Quomee Movement had changed its name to Mutahida Quomee Movement, if Provincialism is so much important then why PPP, MQM and ANP are not trying to make separate provinces for Pukhtoons of Balochistan, Urdu speakers of Karachi, and Seraiki speakers of Punjab. It is the need of time for Pukhtoons to be vigilant against conspiracies of making them confined to ethnicity and a small province and snatching their main stream role.

    Ethnic ANP.

    ANP Foolish leaders always made wrong decisions for Pukhtoons, such as:

    1) Opposition to creation of Pakistan even when not only all Muslims of India but also
    British and Hindus had accepted that.
    2) Support for Soviet Union occupation on Afghanistan, when all nations of world
    including chronic supporters (Libya and Cuba) of Soviet Union opposed that
    occupation.
    3) Now how blood of Pukhtoons is flowing in NWFP is one of result of Foolish policies
    of ANP.

    If any one have any desire for welfare of Pukhtoons,they should work for the Union of Pakistan and Afghanistan by which Pukhtoons living in Afghanistan and Pakistan will be united and that will be good for the development and progress of culture, language and economical prosperity of Pukhtoons and other ethnic groups living in both the countries otherwise pseudo acts of changing the names for political gains are meaningless.

    Name of Punjab.

    Name of Punjab means Land of five Rivers that does not have any link with any nationality or ethnic group.

    Name of Sind.
    Name of Sind indicates the land which is dependant totally on River Sind (Indus) that does not have any link with any nationality or ethnic group.

    Name of Surhad.

    Name of Surhad indicates Land of frontier dividing two areas that does not have any link with any nationality or ethnic group.

    Name of India indicates valley of Indus that does not have any link with any nationality or ethnic group.

    If any one calls himself Lahori, Punjabi, Sindhi, Surhadi Gandhi, Indian than it just means peoples relates themselves to that land, where as name Frontier (Surhad) is concerned this province was created by British by separating Six districts of Punjab in 1901, and most logically it should be termed as North West Punjab that does not have any link with any nationality or ethnic group.

    Price of Ethnic Name of Balouchistan

    Pakistani nation is already paying heavy price of ethnic name of province of Balouchistan, it has become a chronic disease and nuisance and Balouch organizations are killing and are involved in ethnic cleansing of Pukhtoons and Punjabies and their Ideology is based on just ethnic name of Balouchistan.

    Need to change ethnic Name to Non ethnic Name of Balouchistan.

    Infact due to killing and victimization of ethnic minorities In Balouchistan and to counter such ethnic cleansing in that province there is need to change the ethnic name of Balouchistan by some geographical name such as Jabalistan or Hills Land and making more provinces of that provinces such as Quetta Province, Makran Province, Kalat Province, Chaggi Province and Lasbella Province for countering disease of Provincialism instead of surrendering against Provincialism and Ethnocentrism.

    Provincialism and Ethnocentrism already had caused a serious loss of life and property of people.

    Example Of Bangladesh and Palestine
    Dhaka fall is the biggest example of adverse effects of Ethnocentrism and Provincialism.
    * Three millions people in Bengal were the victims of this disease,due to this disease A MUSLIM ARMY SUFFERED with the biggest defeat of the history.
    Now Bangladesh is one of the least developed country of the world.
    Now their position is that of a bonded slave working for others to earn their bread.
    Daily Indian Border Security forces kill one or two Bengalees mercilessly.
    Now Bangladesh is trying to find its future in Saarc, then why they have been separated from Pakistan.
    There are lessons to be learnt from fate of Bangladesh and Palestinians (Who made mutiny against Ottoman Khilafat) in the result of their Ethnic mistakes their present generation is suffering from painful humiliations and difficulties.
    Sind and Karachi.
    Presently people of Karachi and Sind are also suffering from this disease and thousands of people have died due to this disease in only Karachi,
    This disease makes people mad, blind and deaf ,This is the reason that although people of Karachi and Sindh are most educated in Pakistan and know very well that their leaders are terrorist, killers and corrupted but even then they supports to terrorist, killers and corrupted leaders, and there is no value of life in city of Karachi and Sind.

    Example of Arabs versus Israel.

    The fact of Unity is strength and division is weakness, is clear from the example of nationalistic 20 Arab states, who have same race, same language, same land, same religion but are shamelessly divided into 20 states due to nationalism ,regionalism, and for the lust of power of their rulers and kings although they are the most powerless nations against tiny state of Israel who with the blessing of unity of different races, groups, cultures (whether Black, White , Red, Arabs, Russians, Africans, Europeans ) from different regions of world ,Due to unity of Jews whether Black, White , Red, Arabs, Russians, Africans, Europeans now Israel is one of the most developed and powerful nation of the world.
    If we can not understand the teachings of Islam then it will be better to learn something from the living example of Jews.

    Example of European Union and USA.

    Every one should take a look to other developed nations like European Union and USA when they were divided on the basis of language, region and colour, they were nothing and were killing each other but now they are united so they are governing all over the world and are most advanced, developed and safe nations of the world.

    Conclusion:

    It is the need of the time to inform to masses of Pakistan that such ethnic and dividing ideologies are not beneficial to any one if we Pakistanis when united are unable to do any great and worth mentioning deed in the world then what will be our role when we will be divided into further pieces (Pukhtoonkhwa, Azad Balouchistan, Azad Punjab, Sindho Desh) and such hatred based dividing ideologies do not have an end and their adverse effects are countless.
    Moreover Provincialism and ethnocenterism Blocks the mix up of different races and ethnic groups which also hinders evolution of good genetic health characteristics in present races and due to this racial and ethnic groups become confined just to their community , causing increase in genetic and hereditary diseases in human population.

    Therefore it is necessary to strongly and categorically oppose those who are trying to divide Pakistan on the basis of ethoncenterism, provincialism and sectarianism.

    Written By:
    M.AKRAM KHAN NIAZI
    Email:akrumniazi@hotmail.com
    .

    Posted 2 years ago on 23 Jan 2010 5:24 #
  2. Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    The ROOT cause of ALL problems is 'injustice'. The solution is to provide justice. It is as simple as that.

    No one wants to break out of Pakistan. The nationalist movements within Pakistan want 'justice'. That is their first and only demand. ALL the state has to do is to impart justice and ALL nationalist, ethnic movements will die a natural death.

    No need to go into lengthy debates over this. Everyone understands the problem and its solution. Power struggle is fueling injustice. The lust for more and more money, power, resources, women is fueling injustice. The only thing remaining is implementation of the solution.

    When the common man in Pakistan will have the confidence to get justice from the court of law, no one in Pakistan will bother with nationalism or ethnicity based BS!

    When impartial justice is provided by the state, you will see no one struggling/protesting. ALL of those who make hugh and cry using nationalism or ethnicities will fail. Only those who actually do want to hurt Pakistan as a federation will remain. We will then be able to identify them with ease, and be able to wipe them out from our ranks.

    People will be able to live their lives in peace when justice is imparted.

    I will repeat: The problem is 'injustice'. The solution is provision of impartial, across the board, FAST!, non-discriminatory justice that obeys Islam.

    Finally, the thing that unites us is Islam. Nationalism doesn't unite us, ethnicity doesn't unite us.

    Posted 2 years ago on 23 Jan 2010 9:07 #
  3. M.AKRAM KHAN NIAZI
    Member

    Pakistan is a country where many parties are working against the Basic rights of its citizen.
    Some Examples are as follows.

    One ethnic party in Karachi, MQM is trying to bring Indians and Bangladeshies in Karachi to increase its vote bank, but is not ready in giving due right to old local ethnic minority of Balouch,Pukhtoons and Punjabies in Karachi.

    In interior Sind 25 Acres land has been given to adult and already wealthy persons of Majority ethnic Sindhi group,while innocent children on the streets of Karachi are picking garbage but provincial government has no funds for them

    Posted 2 years ago on 25 Jan 2010 7:35 #
  4. Assalam-o-Alaikum-Warahmat-ULLAH ALL,

    I agree. These matters fall under jurisdiction of the court of LAW, the justice system of Pakistan.

    ALL those who are engaged in wrong-doings MUST! be apprehended by the state setup, must be removed from society, must be charged! with their crimes, convicted, and then subsequently punished accordingly.

    Something needs to be done by the ones made responsible for Governing over Pakistan to ensure! safety of life, money, property of the people of this nation. Something MUST! be done to ensure! the safety of assets, resources of this state.

    It is absolutely imperative that this starts happening as soon as possible.

    Posted 2 years ago on 25 Jan 2010 8:52 #
  5. M.AKRAM KHAN NIAZI
    Member

    Example of European Union and USA.

    Every one should take a look to other developed nations like European Union and USA when they were divided on the basis of language, region and colour, they were nothing and were killing each other but now they are united so they are governing all over the world an

    Posted 2 years ago on 25 Jan 2010 14:38 #
  6. M.AKRAM KHAN NIAZI
    Member

    Forecast of Quaid-e-Azam about Pakistan with reference to Provincialism,
    ( 28 March,1948,Dhaka)

    “If we begin to think of ourselves as Bengalis, Punjabis, Sindhis etc. first and Muslims and Pakistanis only incidentally, then Pakistan is bound to disintegrate.”

    Above forecast of Quaid-e-Azam was truly proved when in 1971 Pakistan disintegrated, and now still Pakistani nation is still going on same path.

    Posted 2 years ago on 27 Jan 2010 8:43 #
  7. M.AKRAM KHAN NIAZI
    Member

    Provinces are very proactive in demanding more power,but they are totally as far as their performance is concerned,Present provinces has become totally failed in serving to common people.
    Provinces uasually demand more power and autonomy with reason and logic that by more autonomy Pakistan will become more stronger,if this reason is correct then why provinces are divining themselves into smaller provinces and delegating more powers and autonomy to those smaller provinces because those smaller powerful provinces will also be beneficial Pakistan.
    Need of More Provinces.
    Province of Punjab.
    Area of Province Punjab is greater than Great Britain and population is also more than many countries of the world ,but this province has been given into the hand of a single chief Minister,as there is shortage of good and intelligent persons for such posts,while for better management there is need to divide that province into further smaller provinces such as Lahore Province,Sugodah Province,Bhawalpur Province,Multan Province.

    Posted 2 years ago on 28 Jan 2010 4:54 #
  8. M.AKRAM KHAN NIAZI
    Member

    Province of Balouchistan
    Like Punjab this province also has unmanageable large size and is in the hand of a single man as a Chief Minister,while its quite unnatural and illogical to keep this province in such condition,while infact it is needed due to killing and victimization of ethnic minorities In Balouchistan and failure of provincial government to curb that violence and to counter such ethnic cleansing in that province there is need to change the ethnic name of Balouchistan by some geographical name such as Jabalistan or Hills Land and making more provinces of that provinces such as Quetta Province, Makran Province, Kalat Province, Chaggi Province and Lasbella Province for countering disease of Provincialism instead of surrendering against Provincialism and Ethnocentrism.

    Posted 2 years ago on 28 Jan 2010 5:01 #
  9. M.AKRAM KHAN NIAZI
    Member

    As now Balouch are killing people of other provinces just due to ethnocentrism there is need to stop such madness by changing the name of Balouchistan to somewhat non ethnic name and never allow any other group to name any other province on the name of ethnicity such as PukhtoonKhwa it will hurt people of other provinces living in that province and they will feel themselves in that province like a fish out of water.

    Posted 2 years ago on 26 Mar 2010 13:45 #
  10. Wahid Doyum
    Member

    You need help

    Posted 2 years ago on 26 Mar 2010 14:54 #
  11. RajputPuttar
    Member

    very right WD.

    Posted 2 years ago on 26 Mar 2010 15:28 #
  12. tamaazkhan
    Member

    Nawaz group alert!

    Just joking I have been banned for a few days so I was just testing.

    I respect your sentiments vis-a-vis ethnocentricism.

    BUT,
    If you ignore ethnic, cultural, sectarian diversity in Pakistan and attempt to enforce a ONE PAKISTAN scheme it will exacerbrate communal tensions rather than cool them down.
    It is easier for the dominant ethnic,cultural and sectarian group to call for "UNITY" and not to think of ourselves a differing communities, becuase they are already in the majority.
    For the minorities this smacks as an attempt to sideline their identity and enforce the tyranny of the majority.

    I belive these ethnic tensions are due to increasing CENTRALIZATION of Pakistani political administration.
    These issues WILL SUBISIDE with more decentralisation of power and more autonomy for local and provincial governments.
    And respect for the various communities that inhabit Pakistan.

    Posted 2 years ago on 26 Mar 2010 15:39 #
  13. LiberalKarachi
    Member

    2) "Name of Pukhtoonkhwa"
    Thats just weird logic. If changing name means confining Pukhtoons to a small place, and implying others "will say to Pakhtoons now you have a province so don't go and live in other provinces", then what the heck are Punjabis, Balochis and Sindhis doing in other provinces? According to 1998 census, there are more Punjabis in Karachi than there are Pathan, similarly, there are a huge numbers of Balochis in Interior sindh, so your reasoning makes no sense to me.

    I agree with the idea of changing the name from NWFP to something else. NWFP is no name, personally I see nothing wrong with Pakhtoonkwa, as in Punjab there are also Seraiki, in Sindh there are Muhajir/Urdu-speakers, so there can still be Khyberi in Pakthoonkwa. Though a mutual agreement must be reached *within and by* the people of NWFP.

    2) "ANP, PPP and MQM are main beneficiaries and investors of ethnocentrism provincialism and sectarianism"
    Why is PML-N not promoting provincialism, yet ANP, PPP and MQM are? Many might interpret what Shahbaz Shariff said last weak as promoting provincialism.

    Posted 2 years ago on 26 Mar 2010 22:35 #
  14. Within internationally recognized boundaries Pakistan exists as a nation and all who live within these boundaries are Pakistanis.

    Posted 2 years ago on 26 Mar 2010 22:41 #
  15. RajputPuttar
    Member

    semirza

    Pakistan exists as a country not as a nation. Its a federation comprising of multiple nationalities.

    Why u want to deperive me of your identity of 5000 yrs ?

    The same thing we tried to do with bengalis and they saved it by giving a heavy cost ---millions of heads .

    Don't force that thing to happen.Give everyone its due right in the federation .

    Posted 2 years ago on 27 Mar 2010 2:35 #
  16. M.AKRAM KHAN NIAZI
    Member

    Provinces are very active in making Pakistan a failed and dysfunctional state, if ethnic and strong provinces are good for Pakistan then there is need to creat more provinces on the basis of ethnicity,racialsim and sectarianism,such as from Balouchistan following provinces may be created,

    Province of Makran.
    Provice of Brohian.
    Province of Pukhtoons.
    Province of Balouchs.
    Province of Shias of Quetta.
    Province Sunni Balouch.
    Province of Punjabies.
    Province of Bugties.
    Province of Chaggi

    Posted 2 years ago on 27 Mar 2010 4:54 #
  17. M.AKRAM KHAN NIAZI
    Member

    In Karachi so many Pukhtoons have been brutally murdered without any reason just on the name of ethnocentrism and sectarianism and just for the lust of MEMBERSHIP IN SINDH ASSEMBLY BY ANP.

    Posted 2 years ago on 27 Mar 2010 5:04 #
  18. M.AKRAM KHAN NIAZI
    Member

    Why ANP want to remove word "Islamic" from the name of Pakistan where 98% populations is believer of Islam, Why ANP want to keep the ethnic name of Frontier which infact has huge population of non Pukhtoons.

    Posted 2 years ago on 27 Mar 2010 6:40 #
  19. RajputPuttar
    Member

    M.AKRAM KHAN NIAZI

    the assembly of province has passed a resoulution almost unanimously (barring 2 members --saif ullah brothers) to change the name of province to pukhtookhawa.

    Isn't the assembly represenatives body of province--all phktoons and non-pphktoons ?

    Posted 2 years ago on 27 Mar 2010 7:30 #
  20. khalidhumayun
    Member

    I quite agree with with Niazi, except Peoples party, all other parties are ethnic:

    PML-N (Jag Punjabi Jag) enjoying mandate in North Punjab.
    MQM Enjoying mandate in South Sind
    ANP Mostly in Pukhtoonkhwah
    PML-Q Ten times Gen. Musharraf

    One Niazi (General) shouted with full throat that Bangladesh would be created over his dead body, a few days later he was signing "peace" agreement with Gen. Arora. Smelling a rat is not the solution. Just listen to those slogans of smaller provinces and debate with them, convince them. Provoking is no solution.

    To change the name of their province is the headache of NWFP people - and they have decided, like it or hate it, but that is that. Kaisay nadaan hain ke sholon ko hawa daitay hain.

    Posted 2 years ago on 27 Mar 2010 7:52 #
  21. M.AKRAM KHAN NIAZI
    Member

    Muslims of India were victimized by Hindues,but when those migrated to Pakistan and found themselves in some power,they victimized their fellow muslims in such a way even hindues will be ashamed of that.

    Pukhtoons are Victimized in Karachi but when they will become ethnocentric they will victimize other communities like beasts.

    Representative in assemblies are not representative of whole population,Even in Sindh and Karachi people of other ethnic minorities are being victimized by majority Sindhi and Urdu speakers.

    Ethnicity is an unpleasant bussiness of hatred against others,Will ANP AND MQM will ANSWER THAT their representative ARE ALSO REPRESENTATIVE OF OTHER COMMUNITIES.

    Posted 2 years ago on 27 Mar 2010 8:43 #
  22. RajputPuttar
    Member

    So,
    Mr.Niazi , u a non-pukhtoon is the represntaive of masses of pakhtookhawa not the assemblly.

    Allah aap kaay haal par reham karey..

    Posted 2 years ago on 27 Mar 2010 10:36 #
  23. khalidhumayun
    Member

    I quite agree with Mr. Niazi. Different regions have different popular parties, only Peoples Party is in all provinces. Like I said earlier, all other parties are ethnic parties, it is Peoples party's responsibility to keep them with her for the welfare of Pakistan as a whole. Ethnic parties like ML-N, MQM and ANP should cooperate with People's party to drive aways maladies that are making inroads due to our selfish designs.

    Long live Pakistan.

    Posted 2 years ago on 27 Mar 2010 11:02 #
  24. RajputPuttar
    Member

    khalidhumayun

    Pakistan can't long live on the dead bodies of bengalis,pathans , balocchs ,sindhis or mohajirs.

    These nation need to be given their due right.

    In 1971, we refused to give bengalis their due right in the federation but agreeed on dividing the cournty. I just hope that we dont' repeat the same .

    Posted 2 years ago on 27 Mar 2010 11:13 #
  25. khalidhumayun
    Member

    (I shun my light gesture, this is a serious issue). My heart bleeds Rajput. Some people do not think it is very serious matter. Separatists are breathing hot. We have to kill this demon, if Pakistan has to live long. We should respect each other's feelings. Right for now, we are just four pieces. There is still time to unite them as one, if all provinces respect each other's point of view and share their joys and sorrows.

    My intuition tells me, Allah is with us, we will not only survive but would rise like a powerful nation. Insha Allah.

    Posted 2 years ago on 27 Mar 2010 12:17 #
  26. M.AKRAM KHAN NIAZI
    Member

    NWFP was created in 1901 by separating 6 western districts of Punjab.Any land or province is not any property of any individual or group, it is certain that people of different groups usually try to occupy land as land mafia and if any one in courtesy give ethnic name to any area then people of that ethnic groups think as they are the sole master and owner of that area and land from there start the chain of evils which leads to destruction as that of Yougoslavia,Loving one language,religion and land is positive things but when people use these things for victimizing others,then we face the ugly result of such ethnic names.

    Although Balouch are themselves immigrant from Iraq to Balouchistan and their former way of life is nomadic but
    Due to ethnic name of Balouchistan, Nomadic Balouch are now mercilessly killing to Pukhtoons,Punjabies and Hazaras in Balouchistn.

    Although Urdu Speakers are themselves immigrant from India to Karachi and but Due to chronic disease of ethnicity in Karachi, urdu speakers are killing Pukhtoons,Punjabies and Balouch in Karachi.

    Whats the surety that Pukhtoons after suffering from disease of ethnocentrism will not kill people of Hazaras and persians speakers of Afghanistan.

    Posted 2 years ago on 27 Mar 2010 13:00 #
  27. khalidhumayun
    Member

    Inshallah every thing would be alright by the Grace of Allah and efforts of People's Party. What Imran Khan can not do in spite of his desire, PPP would do it. We are the one, we are the world. If NWFP is renamed Pakhtoonistan, and so will it happen, they will forget about power royalty to the tune of 7 billion Pak rupees.

    Posted 2 years ago on 27 Mar 2010 13:52 #
  28. zalaan
    Blocked

    The Pakistan is ,The group and different nationalities and ethnic groups living together on a part of land under one federation .
    The concept of 2 nation theory does not apply on existing Pakistan .
    If pakistan is the state for Muslims in sub continent then major portion of muslims are not living in pakistan ,Bangladesh and Indian Muslims are more then Pakistani population .

    Pakistan is a regional and Nationalist state where Sindhi ,Balochi ,Pakhtoon ,Urdu Speaking and Punjabi living under one government.

    Provincialism and Ethnocentrism is considered as "Gunah-e-Kabira " in Pakistan ,If Pakistan is a "Muslim state " then Pakistan should ask Bangladesh and Indian Muslim to become part of Pakistan .

    Posted 2 years ago on 27 Mar 2010 14:07 #
  29. RajputPuttar
    Member

    M.AKRAM KHAN NIAZI

    Then go further back to history where punjab has been part of Kabul government for centuries , why to stop at 1901 ?

    Secondly , if baloochs are killing punabjis why u forget that they are facing fourth __PAK ARMY operation at the hands of punjabis . Their children and elders and women being killed by bombing of chemical weapons .

    Koi khudaa kaa khoof karo bahi.

    And for khi , u forget the oepration of 90's and the butcher of karachi , Nasir Ullah Babar. Do u think people forget the history. Come on . Lets face the facts.

    BAhi , Pakistan is federation where mulitiple natioins are living. Pakistan has either to give all nations their due right or this federation won't be able to continue and same kind of disaster is on the cards as it happened in 1971 when martial race had to surrender in front of 4 futtey bengalis.

    Posted 2 years ago on 27 Mar 2010 15:00 #
  30. LiberalKarachi
    Member

    @ khalidhumayun,

    You said, "There is still time to unite them as one, if all provinces respect each other's point of view and share their joys and sorrows". Giving them their due rights is the first step, and then we can worry about respect later on. By that I don't mean only give them their rights to resources, but also our establishment has to stop siding with a certain section of one province. As an example, if we look at political movements out of Sindh, there was PPP and MQM. PPP had ZA Bhutto killed and pronounced guilty by the Lahore High Court. Benazir also faced prosecution from establishment, ISI even crafted IJI to counter PPP. Then we see Benazir assassinated in Pindi - HQ of our beloved establishment. If we look at MQM, over 15000 of its workers died in full fledged military operation lasting a decade. The accusation was that they were creating Jinnahpur. This has GOT TO STOP. Once our establishment starts behaving, I dont think the wounds are too deep to cure, and Pakistan can move towards a de-centralized autonomous prosperous state.

    @M.AKRAM KHAN NIAZI
    You said u are against provincialism, but ur statements seem to be promoting it. I would like a detailed analysis of the numbers of the non-Muhajir killed by Muhajirs in Karachi. I also want the number of Muhajir who died under the accusation of a Jinnahpur and who were the orchestrator of that massacre. Let us then compare numbers.

    "Although Urdu Speakers are themselves immigrant from India to Karachi and but Due to chronic disease of ethnicity in Karachi, urdu speakers are killing Pukhtoons,Punjabies and Balouch in Karachi."

    Tell us how many people died in ethical clashes (i dont mean political clashes) that has occurred in Khi between 1999-present since the military operation stopped.

    Posted 2 years ago on 27 Mar 2010 21:22 #
  31. "Although Urdu Speakers are themselves immigrant from India to Karachi and but Due to chronic disease of ethnicity in Karachi, urdu speakers are killing Pukhtoons,Punjabies and Balouch in Karachi."

    Intriguing! Reading above one may think Urdu was introduced into Pakistan after subcontinental partition into India and Pakistan.

    Very strange indeed!

    Posted 2 years ago on 27 Mar 2010 21:29 #
  32. M.AKRAM KHAN NIAZI
    Member

    Mr,Zalaan

    Pakistan is a Muslim and Islamic state but it does not means that only for Muslims ,India also have huge populations of Muslima,and Bangladesh and Maldives is also having Majority of Muslims.

    Meaning of creation of Pakistan was not that all muslims wil be clean up from other parts of the India.

    And similarly Meaning of creation of Pakistan was not that non muslims will not be the citizens of Pakistan.

    Meaning of creation of Pakistan was to provide fair chances of development,growth and welfare of people living in the areas which were included PAKISTAN,CARING ALL INCLUDING HINDUES,CHRISTIANS AND OTHER NON MUSLIMS AS PER THEIR RELIGION AND CULTURE AND DESIRES, IF non muslims ask majority of Muslims in Pakistan not to follow their religion then it is unjustified, similarly if Muslims try to block or interfere in the religious matters of non muslims that is also unjustified.

    At present in Pakistan different provinces are basis of hatred and are cultivator of enemity between different ethnic groups therefore any thing which promote this hatred such as provincialism,ethnocentrism and sectarianism should be negated and opposed as per policy principle of constitution of Pakistan.

    Posted 2 years ago on 29 Mar 2010 7:08 #
  33. "Although Urdu Speakers are themselves immigrant from India to Karachi and but Due to chronic disease of ethnicity in Karachi, urdu speakers are killing Pukhtoons,Punjabies and Balouch in Karachi."

    Above repharsed as following:

    Although Pashtu Speakers are themselves immigrant from Afghanistan to NWFP/FATA and but Due to chronic disease of religiousism in NWFP, Pashtu speakers are killing Pukhtoons,Punjabies[army], Hindkos and Hazaris in NWFP.

    Posted 2 years ago on 29 Mar 2010 14:14 #
  34. M.AKRAM KHAN NIAZI
    Member

    Ethnic name of Balouchistan already have become a liability and nuisance for Pakistan, As now Balouch are killing people of other provinces just due to ethnocentrism there is need to stop such madness by changing the name of Balouchistan to somewhat non ethnic name and never allow any other group to name any other province on the name of ethnicity such as PukhtoonKhwa it will hurt people of other provinces living in that province and they will feel themselves in that province like a fish out of water.

    Posted 2 years ago on 29 Mar 2010 14:45 #
  35. M.AKRAM KHAN NIAZI
    Member

    Due to ethnic already so many people have been killed in Balouchistan,Karachi and Sindh and now with the ethnic politics of ANP and PPP we hope that in future Frontier WILL ALSO be suffering from this lethal disease a disease which makes people also blind and deaf and people elect in elections corrupted and murderers as their leaders and representative.

    Posted 2 years ago on 31 Mar 2010 7:33 #
  36. ان تازہ خداؤں میں سب سے برا وطن ہے
    جو پہرین اس کا ہے وہ مذھب کا کفن ہے

    Posted 2 years ago on 31 Mar 2010 7:57 #
  37. M.AKRAM KHAN NIAZI
    Member

    Disease of Provincialism in Politicians of NWFP and Sindh is mainly responsible for power shortage mayhem and the resultant chaos in the society due to tormenting blackouts and long power outrages.
    The simple logic is that those who do not want dams like Kalabagh to be built, they are enemies of the country or at least don’t want Pakistan to have vibrant economy and social peace. The forces and lobbies that opposed Pakistan and those that are stuck up in their narrow grooves of provincialism would not like Pakistan to become an economically viable country.

    Posted 2 years ago on 07 Apr 2010 16:07 #
  38. tamaazkhan
    Member

    Akram Khan Sahab,

    Please tell me which province the electricity from Kalabagh Dam will supply?

    Posted 2 years ago on 07 Apr 2010 16:13 #

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