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aayelleye
Member

Altaf hussain challenged Nawaz sharif for a munazra and PML(N) accepted it and offered AH for free visa...

Posted 1 year ago on 28 Dec 2010 16:35 #
Anwer Kamal
Member

I already said.
دو بزدل آپس میں لر پڑے ہیں - پدی خان تو ویسے ہی گھبرا رہا ہو گا

Posted 1 year ago on 28 Dec 2010 16:37 #
zeshaan
Member

Doo mullaoon main mrurghee haram hoo jaaay gee.

Posted 1 year ago on 28 Dec 2010 16:52 #
Rizwan Qaimkhani
Member

free visa to where?

Posted 1 year ago on 28 Dec 2010 17:45 #
Anwer Kamal
Member

Raiwind.رائے ونڈ

Posted 1 year ago on 28 Dec 2010 17:49 #
Rizwan Qaimkhani
Member

Thanks Anwer, yes that is where PML(N) shares government with Tablighi Jamaat.

Posted 1 year ago on 28 Dec 2010 17:54 #
d0ct0r
Member

Rizwan

That absconding british criminal needs a visa doesn't he?

Posted 1 year ago on 28 Dec 2010 18:54 #
Rizwan Qaimkhani
Member

@doctor
He has dual nationality. He doesn't need a visa unless Punjab is a foreign territory. O, wait, he does not need to be in Pakistan, PML (N), the power hungry group, can go anywhere and bow to anyone promising them Prime Ministership in similar fashion to Zardari.

Posted 1 year ago on 28 Dec 2010 19:03 #
d0ct0r
Member

Posted 1 year ago on 28 Dec 2010 19:45 #
nota
Member

"He has dual nationality. He doesn't need a visa unless Punjab is a foreign territory."

That is what I was thinking...PML-N is just making this up.

I do believe the analysis of most talk shows today (esp. Moeen Pirzaza) that PML-N is only batting for Zardari. Did PML-N find all those things out just NOW? Of course not. Timing is everything here. Fazlu left (did he?) and PML-N has told Zardari don't worry for we got your back even if MQM leaves.

P.S. Let's not forget Fazlu demanding from Zardari that Gilani be let go (Again, some were wondering if this too was a game played by Zardari and Fazlu is just following instructions)

Posted 1 year ago on 28 Dec 2010 19:53 #
d0ct0r
Member

Rizwan

Are you sure he still maintains a valid passport of "biggest blunder in the history of mankind" ?

Some years back i had made the following comment..

we need to pass a law in pakistan that any one holding dual nationality(likes of Altaf bai/Shaukat Aziz/Moin Qureshi) should be barred from taking part in politics of pakistan and holding any public office in pakistan.. their loyalties lies somewhere else and they just mess up our country and then conveniently retreat to there orginal ‘home’ country, unless Altaf bai gives up his UK nationality , he should be banned from taking part in politics from UK,and they should make it clear to MQM leaders here in pakistan

http://pkpolitics.com/2008/03/25/heavy-police-deployed-again-at-cj-residence/#comment-64438

Posted 1 year ago on 28 Dec 2010 20:00 #
d0ct0r
Member

@nota

"He has dual nationality. He doesn't need a visa unless Punjab is a foreign territory."

That is what I was thinking...PML-N is just making this up.

Obviously under normal circumstances any pakistani holding dual nationality does not need a visa if he travels on VALID pakistani passport but here the case is different.

This criminal absconder won't travel to pakistan either on Pakistani or British passport(with pakistani visa).

Even MQM workers want Altaf hussain to return to Pakistan,criminal absconder should be extradited

Posted 1 year ago on 28 Dec 2010 20:07 #
Rizwan Qaimkhani
Member

@doctor
The information you have is a bit dated. Any dual nationality holder would travel to Pakistan on the adopted land's passport with a proof of Pakistani citizenship such as National Identity card. It is a valid procedure.

Posted 1 year ago on 28 Dec 2010 20:10 #
barackosama
Member

Just another incident of Khawja Asif's mouth piece service for Mian Nawaz Sharif and nothing more.

Kashif Abbasi could brush up on his journalistic skills. He tends to go with one or the other guest.

Posted 1 year ago on 28 Dec 2010 20:14 #
aayelleye
Member

@rizwan

if he has no problem in coming to pak then why dont he? mqm have 25 seats and complete hold in karachi if in these circumstances he doesn't come then when?

Posted 1 year ago on 28 Dec 2010 20:27 #
Rizwan Qaimkhani
Member

Since you are waiting anxiously, you should call 90 to find when his expected arrival.

Posted 1 year ago on 28 Dec 2010 20:31 #
d0ct0r
Member

My younger bro also a doctor,canadian national recently had to visit pk for some urgent issue,on last minute he found his passport had expired,so instead of waiting for his passport to be renewed(which takes time) he instead got a visa on his canadian passport and traveled on that..

You on the other hand are talking about POC(pakistan origin card) for visa free entry of overseas pakistanis into pakistan.

Any ways Khwaja Asif too knows very well that Altaf holds dual nationality and obviously he was being sarcastic when he said that we can facilitate him in getting the pakistani visa,he knows all too well that Altaf talks about others being 'mard ka bacha' but he himself won't ever dare to set his feet on Pakistani soil ever again..

Posted 1 year ago on 28 Dec 2010 20:32 #
Rizwan Qaimkhani
Member

Besides if you like people to face the justice, you should start from Ayub and his offsprings to make your way up.

Posted 1 year ago on 28 Dec 2010 20:32 #
Anwer Kamal
Member

Remember he had applied for a green card too when he was a taxi driver in USA. After that he was selected for killing in Karachi.

Posted 1 year ago on 28 Dec 2010 20:33 #
Rizwan Qaimkhani
Member

@doctor
With all the due respect, your brother should get the new identity card and he will be good to go.

Posted 1 year ago on 28 Dec 2010 20:35 #
d0ct0r
Member

Anwer Kamal

Triple nationality?

Many 'rich and economically strong' country cancel citizenship if a person gets passport of another country. Obviously pakistan not being economically strong country can't afford to take such step of cancelling nationality of all overseas pakistanis holding second passport but atleast they can bar dual national from taking part in Pakistani politics. If you want to do politics in pakistan then ditch your foreign passport shift back to pk and then do as much politics here as you like..

Posted 1 year ago on 28 Dec 2010 20:46 #
d0ct0r
Member

I have noticed one thing, every time things start heating up between PPP and MQM in Sindh it ends with MQM and PML N fighting and cursing each other..

It has happened several times in past as well

MQM will support martial law,if imposed by Patriotic General : Absconder Altaf
http://pkpolitics.com/discuss/topic/mqm-will-support-martial-lawif-imposed-by-patriotic-general-absconder-altaf

After that martial law support statement too both parties had locked their horns,normally one would have expected PP to show reaction as its their govt which would be dislodged if Altaf sides with a dictator but PP just ignored Altaf's statement and let him fight with Nawaz league and enjoyed the show..

and it happened before that too

"Ready to join MQM but first come to Pakistan, Farooq tells Altaf"

http://tinyurl.com/26eshso

So obviously Zardari becomes the ultimate beneficiary of all this mudslinging..

Posted 1 year ago on 28 Dec 2010 21:08 #
msyedh
Member

I like one thing about Nawaz Sharif, keh kabi kabi bewqoofi mein en ke moun se sachi baatain bee nikal jati hain.

Posted 1 year ago on 28 Dec 2010 23:09 #
Sikandar Riza
Member

Everybody needs pakistani visa before they can come to paksitan especially after a long time. So this isnt something new. I would really like to see a munazra between mqm and nawaz shareef in Nishtar park Karachi, then will everybody see the real color of mqm (muttahida sheytani movement) and the Pml N support in karachi. People of karachi are sick of this mqm hevany rule, they kill whoever they want. And their terrorism + bakre ki khal mafia+ other popular dirty mafias of Mr Altaf hussein with support of Mossart and Raw.
Mqm knows very well that theyll loose miserably if there is a free and fair election held in karachi.

Posted 1 year ago on 29 Dec 2010 1:23 #
Rizwan Qaimkhani
Member

As opposed to election everywhere in Pakistan are transparent? They are rigged everywhere and by every party.

Posted 1 year ago on 29 Dec 2010 1:59 #
Beenai
Moderator

clash is not new .
this clash has its roots back in 1999 .
when MQM use to be PMLN 's alliance and as soon as Mush took over the Govt by toppling Nawaz 's Govt .
MQM changed its side and gave its full support to the dictator .
thats was the start of the clash between PMLN and MQM .
then in Meshaq e Jamhoriyat , Nawaz insisted on BB to put the clause that nobody is gonna take the help of MQM , in forming the Govt , to discourage their black mailing policy .
but BB 's followers did breach the agreement and went to MQM to form a Govt .
as PPP all alone ,wont be able to make a Govt at its own territory , Sind .

thats what aggravated the aggression of PMLN .

2. PMLN was very openly siding CJ Chudhri .
and MQM also very openly opposing CJ Chudhri .
12 May became another point ,where both the parties has a point to differ .

3. anyway , we have to admit , that no matter how corrupt PMLN may be ...how power hungry they may be .

but at least they leave their opponent within the party , alive ....
not like MQM , which is famous for killing its own party people , due to internal differences .
if PMLN was doing the same thing .
Ch. Shujaat , Ch. Perwez , Sheikh Rasheed must be killed by them .
as Azeem Tariq and Imran Farooq .

Posted 1 year ago on 29 Dec 2010 4:59 #
wasimibr
Member

Great Altaf bhai has a serious sinus issue, that 's why his doctor has strictly asked him to remain in pollution free environment of London. Also his skin is very sensitive. This is the only reason that our beloved leader does not want to come back as dust pollution and hot weather of karachi is very dangerous for the precious life of our great leader Altaf bhai.

Posted 1 year ago on 29 Dec 2010 5:59 #
Beenai
Moderator

yes , he is suffering from numerous diseases ...
all start showing symptoms after Operation Clean Up in Karachi.

Posted 1 year ago on 29 Dec 2010 6:13 #
Anonymous

Theres method in the madness.

Nawaz knows his seats will be compromised in Punjab and KPK courtesy PTI. He needs to make the numbers up.

What would be a better place, and they decided interior Sindh would do. And then we heard there membership registration there in.

But who do they see there? mqm at bhit shah .. mqm needs to be pushed back to Karachi. Yes thats right, bring Karachi'an issues up and put them on the back foot and make them focus on Karachi only.

Mqm was upto this challenge i must say. Altaf threatened Nawaz that he would confine him to Raiwind only if he tried confining him in Karachi. And that mqm would come challenge nawaz in Lahore which in my humble opinion is wishful at this point in time.

period

Posted 1 year ago on 29 Dec 2010 7:29 #
alirazaster
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mqm is the true representative party of common and educated pakistanis...

people can not accept altaf's dual nationaliy... but they have no issues with the jutt waderas and jagirdaars having huge properties in pakistan as well as properties worth millions of pounds and dollars abroad... they have no issues when nawaz runs abroad to make his foreign deals and look after his business...
altaf is at least not being hypocritical like nawaz and his likes. he has all his interest in pakistan, his party is very much organized and has a very deep and disciplined connection with its supporters at the grass root level UNLIKE ANY OTHER PARTY

pml-n has started its usual accusatory behaviour simply because of fear of mqm's rising popularity and greater influence in the politics of pakistan...
idiotic nawaz shareef, aqal say paidal, thought that he'll enjoy his 5 year term after ppp's govt..... but because he is still an amateur in politics despite of being elected twice as pm and being brought up in zia-ul-haqs cradle and having the back of highly influencial so-called religious "fanatics" and zia's remnants...
he wants to push away everyone, because he thinks his fake degree, jahil party can make its own government.

pml-n has always made blunders. it has no ideology. it has previously betrayed mqm, pti and it continues to betray the people of pakistan...

things are changing, this is the era of information.... and nawaz still thinks that he's living in the 90s when he had full freedom to paint karachi with blood of poor middle class pakistanis.

nawaz has his party full of jahil fake degree holders, of people who dont have manners to talk, of people who are ruling the biggest province of pakistan but who very convieniently put all the blame on the federal govt for all the poor law and order and other failures in punjab.... they think it is very easy to fool the masses by completely distancing themselves from the govt.

Posted 1 year ago on 29 Dec 2010 10:30 #
sara khan
Member

we are not contrast between Altaf & nawaz .Altaf Hussain got their position with their hard worked & now his massage has been spread all our Pakistan.he got their education by their own guts he give tuition to manage their university fees.

About nawaz his father lived in lahore near railway coloney and according my knowledge he was goldsmith suddenly now he ran industries how could it possible it is very visible that he got that money with devious way about his political career with General,Zia lapful despite all of that his recently speeach he said that those leader who instigate common pulic regarding revulotion the same leader who was the part of the Musharraf regim was talking about the revolution it is only an joke OK MAYBE nawaz right,then what about those leaders how sprout with Zia LAPFUL??????
could they change the Pakistan fortune.

Posted 1 year ago on 29 Dec 2010 12:19 #
semirza
Moderator

^About nawaz his father lived in lahore near railway coloney and according my knowledge he was goldsmith suddenly now he ran industries

Are you sure about what you said? Any backup?

Posted 1 year ago on 29 Dec 2010 14:02 #
Truthlover
Member

Not a goldsmith but sold Iron on Brandreth road!

Posted 1 year ago on 29 Dec 2010 14:49 #
barackosama
Member

At this point when manhood of the partners involved is being challenged, it wouldn't hurt that Sher-e-Punjab travel to U.K. and debate Altaf Hussain on live TV.

This is great opportunity for Nawaz Sharif, Altaf Hussain ko kutta kernay ke liye, not to mention it would increase his ranks in going that extra mile for showing the public the PML-N efforts for political frankness. Let Nawaz Sharif directly address Altaf Hussain on media, no need to stage lip service of staunch lieutenants like Khawja Asif.

Posted 1 year ago on 29 Dec 2010 15:26 #
aayelleye
Member

@ sara khan

OMG thanx for sharing such a wonderful information about nawaz sharif and his background great knowledge keep sharing such bongies with us..

Posted 1 year ago on 29 Dec 2010 15:32 #
aayelleye
Member

@ sar

"people can not accept altaf's dual nationaliy... but they have no issues with the jutt waderas and jagirdaars having huge properties in"

kuch khuda ka khof karo what about 257 murder cases kya mqm k mazhab may qatal jaiz hay?,bori may bun lash,bhatta khori kya haram khori jaiz hay?,ghunda gardi,bhagora pan kya itna buzdil hona chaye leader ko?,

Posted 1 year ago on 29 Dec 2010 15:44 #
d0ct0r
Member

Well actually the problem is that absconding gangster Altaf just wanted to deflect the attention of media from his halfhearted call to quit govt.

As well all know earlier he had given a 10 days deadline(final warning) to pp govt and most of the pp leaders had been saying that let them quit,we can easily manage without them so Altaf and his criminal gang was basically humiliated and during last 36 months it has been humiliated almost 30 times.

Now to deflect the attention from his humiliating halfhearted hypocritical stance he had to cook up a drama,after all he is a good dramay baz and con artist so he resorted to his favorite habit i.e. He used filthy(bayhuda) language against N league in front of his unit and sector terrorist summoned to ninezero at 4 am in the morning.

Today once again goons of this criminal gang MQM Altaf proved in front of whole world that its being run by filthy and nasty dorks who have hallmark of using foul and disgustingly abusive and filthy language.

Nawaz had not said anything new which had not already being said in past about criminal gang MQM and its absconding leadership,infact Dr Zulfiqar Mirza's recent statement was even more harsh and hard hitting compared to Nawaz's statements against MQM in muzafarabad Kashmir.

Posted 1 year ago on 29 Dec 2010 16:08 #
barackosama
Member

Wow it is still not clear to the nation from above postings Nawaz Sharif sunar hai ya lohar.

Another proof of intellectual depth of Nawaz Sharif.

Nawaz talks about MQM where? Muzaffarabad where people are really affected by MQM.

And, talk about his timing. His lohari instincts took over, saw a perfect opportunity to strike, do he did.

Posted 1 year ago on 29 Dec 2010 16:33 #
PakiConsultant
Member

bhai doctor Altaf + zordari + Nawaz , all doing topi drama , all are corrupt and worst. Irony is one criminal Zulfaqar Mirza point fingers on other criminal Altaf. All of them are offspring of demo-crazy

Posted 1 year ago on 29 Dec 2010 16:34 #
gazi23
Member

For me PMLN drama is just a ROUTINE stuff as back in 2008 when MQM submitted the motion to discuss Suger Crisis just two days before Ramazan that day Ch. Nisar Ali Khan started Barking in front of media about same old MEMORIZED stuff that was started back in 1992 when Army created a EXCUSE for operation in Karachi....After that few months ago when MQM submitted the Land reform Bill PMLN started same kind of RANTS against MQM and now when MQM has taken another stand by Quitting the Govt. now they have started all of their REPEATED CRAP once again......All I can say is that whenever MQM came up with POSITIVE STAND PMLN intentionally tried to push MQM trying to keep them down which indicate that PMLN IS SCARED of MQM these days as more and more Public Stands would get PMLN in trouble because they wont be left with any reason to defend about their agendas and their Politics hence they will lose their support......

Posted 1 year ago on 29 Dec 2010 17:22 #
azeem20
Member

so sad these two so called political parties are fighting on thier personal agendas, why dont they take public problems and issues for their politics. they claim to be the representative of people of pakistan and continue fighting over non issues. what a mess?

Posted 1 year ago on 29 Dec 2010 17:38 #
nota
Member

@BO
"it wouldn't hurt that Sher-e-Punjab travel to U.K. and debate Altaf Hussain on live TV."

Oh come on...you know this Alice in Wonderland 'sher'....

P.S. I said he was doig this drama to cover PPP's bvtt and I am even more sure of that now (how much talk was there today about corruption, bad-governance, even drones? How much talk will be there about these tomorrow?;-) )

Posted 1 year ago on 29 Dec 2010 18:08 #
Anwer Kamal
Member

مرزا صہب یہ خاندانی لوہار ہیں اور آزادی کے بعد م ہندو کے کاروبار پر قبضہ کر لیاتھا اور مرزا صاحب لطیفہ یہ ہے کہ دیگر کمیوں کی طرح یہ بھی مغل کہلواتے تھے پہلے

Posted 1 year ago on 29 Dec 2010 18:30 #
Rizwan Qaimkhani
Member

@BO
"it wouldn't hurt that Sher-e-Punjab travel to U.K. and debate Altaf Hussain on live TV."

At least above comment proved one thing: Nawaz is an animal:) Send him to zoo or circus he is better off there with his antics.

Besides looking at Nawaz's qualification i.e. fake degrees etc, I don't believe he can even make sentences himself let alone being on TV with Altaf. It is in common knowledge the fish mongering they put on tv where these jahils quarrel with each other. They have no respect for others opinions and no manners. It clearly represents how they were brought up.

Posted 1 year ago on 29 Dec 2010 18:36 #
Anwer Kamal
Member

There was wonderful talks on Tv today can someone post those here.

Posted 1 year ago on 29 Dec 2010 18:41 #
scandinavian
Member

Dirty fight between two corrupt/dirty parties:

Posted 1 year ago on 29 Dec 2010 18:50 #
scandinavian
Member

I am "amazed" that PML-N has started to mention the tragedy at 12. may again. Did they have a collective memory loss for quite a while or was it just plainly a part of the (dirty) game?

Posted 1 year ago on 29 Dec 2010 18:52 #
Rizwan Qaimkhani
Member

@Scandinavian
PML (N) and JI have no policy issues to talk about. You may even find in this thread, there are people talking about 'bori band lash'; it clearly points that is the basis for their corrupt politics. I have a question for these posters; do you have any unbiased proof that it was not committed by the agencies. There are valid proofs of there is a majority of criminals in agencies and karachi police who commits heinous crimes such as murders, rape and extortion and petty crimes such as robbery and bribery. It is quite rampant. So before painting a misguided picture, do some homework—seek the truth instead of getting brainwashed from the media. One of my close friends was robbed in Karachi, when robbers leaving the house, they strictly prohibit them from filling FIR. Family didn't take the warning seriously, they went to Police Station for report. When they saw the SHO, it was same guy who instructed them not to come to Station. They left without filing, the very same night, they killed the whole family. Too much for the 'serve and protect' mantra.

Posted 1 year ago on 29 Dec 2010 19:13 #
scandinavian
Member

@RQ

Are you saying that MQM is innocent is not behind heinous crimes in KHI?

Posted 1 year ago on 29 Dec 2010 19:17 #
Rizwan Qaimkhani
Member

No, what I am saying is find an unbiased source. That is the last thing to cover for someone's crime; but the misguided notion is that MQM is behind the killing in Karachi. I am sick of hearing it; it became a cliche.

Posted 1 year ago on 29 Dec 2010 19:19 #

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